I like that Deadfoot's foot wasn't healed in StarClan. We are told at some point that cats return to how they were when they were happiest(which is why Yellowfang is still a raggedy old lady, cause she was happiest in ThunderClan) and that gives me the notion that Deadfoot was fine with his twisted foot. It was just a small hiccup in his life, and he was still immensely happy despite it.
But the theory makes snowkit, who is always deaf during his life, still keep disabled after he dies! (not Jayfeather because he's able to see when dreaming )
I think they’re able to choose to keep said injuries when entering StarClan. I'd like to think he kept his foot because he didn't see it as a "disability", rather a little "quirk" of his.
@@weil8374 I (also) think it’s said that Jayfeather doesn’t like seeing, and closes his eyes in StarClan, for example. Snowkit probably doesn’t even know he can change it, and even if he did, maybe he also doesn’t mind.
The Hopkit thing is sooo funny to me just because, imo, it feels like it was ONLY done because the writing team realized they couldn't have a character named Deadkit. Like that is the only reason I can think of for why they would go through the process of having him called Hopkit and then renaming him as an apprentice.
I don't understand why they couldn't have retconned his name to be something completely different, like something less insulting. it's not like retconning worse things have stopped them before
@@alieennetic3653 Cause deadfoot is a cool name, but it would have made a lot more sense if instead of the leader renaming him as an apprentice, he chose his OWN warrior name. The leader could have been all "are you sure???" and he could make his speech about how it reminds him that he overcame his personal hardships.
There's a plant that we use to brew ale called hops and with Windclan being near a farm, they might be able to see some (thank Stardew Valley for teaching me that). There's also a type of tree called hop-tree, so he could be named for that (thank Pokemon for that). Plus, if he was named at birth, when newborn kittens are all squirmy and wriggly, he wouldn't be hopping, he'd just be squirming with his siblings.
@@whatdoyoucallanalligatorin9174 eeeh. I don't agree. him having a powerful speech about how his ableist name is not ableist doesn't sit right with me. I don't find deadfoot a cool name the same way I don't find any of the cats that are named after their disability cool, just insulting.
@@alieennetic3653 I've heard of a type of rename system where after a cat suffers a grievous injury, the cat themselves can choose to take on a name reflecting it. Like if Lostface interrupted Firestar mid-speech and said, "Yeah, so I would like an injury rename, but could I go with Halfface or something?" While Cinderpelt would also be treated as respected even though she doesn't change her name to Mangledleg. It's their individual choices, no one else's, and any injury or disability is seen as a celebration. Like, the world tried to kill you and you walked away still breathing, that's awesome! Plus, good worldbuilding involves complex social attitudes towards something you may find despicable or rude. Like in India, eating everything on your plate means you want more and leaving some stuff still on it means you're done eating, whereas in America, it's considered rude and wasteful to not eat everything on your plate. In Korea, casually smiling to a stranger indicates you wanna throw down, but in America, that's just being polite Closer to the topic, in certain regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan, women are never referred to by their names, instead going by "the wife of this man", "the daughter of this man", or "the mother of this man", and while some women wish to be referred to by their true names going forward, some women still wish to be called by these epithets. It's their choice, and no one should force or coerce or bully them to change it.
Personal headcanon, but i like to think Deadfoot is still Crowfeather's dad, he just died before Ashfoot had their kits. Maybe Ashfoot would tell Crowkit about how his father worked hard and was a very dedicated deputy (which, obviously wasn't the author's intent, but headcanons are fun). It'd also make it seem like Deadfoot isn't just choosing cause "oh yeah my son he's cool look at my boy" (it still has a bit of that but yknow), it's also cause it's the only kit of his that survived (Eaglekit, Hillkit and Downkit are all in starclan). I'm not sure if the timeline matches, but headcanons are headcanons Ashfoot or Dawncloud could be talked about next? There's not much to talk about, so a mini-talking might fit best
The only issue is that a cat’s gestation is 2-3 months and the time passage was around 5. I like to think Deadfoot told Ashfoot to tell Crowkit he was the father. It’d imply him and Ashfoot had something romantic or even platonic which is cute. Heck, it might just be a love for his clan.
Two issues, the first being that Crowfeather *remembers him* as deputy. The second being that even if we assume that Crowfeather didn't ever know his father, Crowfeather would have to, at the very least, be a 4-5 moon old kit at the beginning of Firestar's Quest for this to work. And then he would have been made an apprentice by the end of the book, and he would have been an apprentice for nearly an entire year by the time Midnight comes around, which is about 6 months more training than an apprentice as been said to require.
@@Moonkitti I’m pretty sure that memories that people have from when they are young children get modified based on what the parents said as well as the event. It could be that as a very young baby Crowkit wondered about his dad and the stories that Ashfoot said could have somehow formed into actual memories of Crowfeathers dad? It could be possible because psychology especially with young children is whack
@@Moonkitti That's a good point! I feel like there are ways to make that headcanon work, but at that point it'd just be an AU Also thank you for taking the time to respond! These videos analyzing random cats have been very interesting-I hope you keep doing them!
@@Moonkitti crowfeather being an apprentice for a year can make sense, because his mentor was mudclaw, and he's known for not being easy to argue with and win. I can see that as a chance, but a cat that could be his father is tornear, mudclaw's brother.
Always liked Deadfoot! And seeing what scenes he was in and how he acted, I’m like “Ye! I like this guy! Swell guy!” I remember reading the part in Crowfeather’s trial about Deadfoot being Crowfeather’s dad and just doing a big, disappointed sigh. I can excuse all the bad math that makes this situation impossible, I’m just so so so tired to Warriors nepotism. -_- Granted not that a whole lot was ever followed through on Crowfeather’s story and Deadfoot’s speech about him in Midnight, but you’re absolutely right that it changes the meaning behind that scene completely if Deadfoot is Crowfeather’s dad. It’s annoying to see these retcons try to add depth only to make it way more shallow.
Actually Deadfoot was kind of right about the pink cloud sign as it was referring to the death of Riverclan's Whiteclaw by Graystripe at a border skirmish. I think Windclan was only kind of involved because they were escorting Fireheart and Graystripe back.
@@w1ld.w1ndyes, barkface is the one who interprets the sign. however; deadfoot says that the sign could be for everyone. the original commenter is just defending his point, not saying he interepted the sign himself
i like to imagine that the in universe explanation for deadfoot having his disability in star clan is because he never really felt bad about it and it never made him feel bad so maybe he chose to keep it.
I was always very disappointed that Deadfood, one of 3 disabled warriors across the entire series who's prime to become the only disabled leader, gets an off-screen death without any other mention. I really liked him, he was a fun character from what we got, but then he was gone and every other disabled cat keeps getting stuck in the medicine den. Edit: I don't know how I forgot about Crookedstar, so we got a whole 1 disabled leader across the entire series!
@@alieennetic3653 I might be misreading it, but it looks to me like the bit about being able to become leader is an unrelated point about Deadfoot, with it being intended more like this: "one of two disabled warriors across the entire series[, ] who's [also] prime to become the only disabled leader..." Assuming this is the case, the other disabled warrior would presumably be Brightheart, but there's also Jagged Peak!
@@alieennetic3653 crookedstar??? He quite literally has a life altering injury that prevents him from being able to eat and bite normally and still goes on to become leader of Riverclan despite being stunted as a kit due to this. Brightheart and Jagged Peak are the only other two disabled warriors (main series, theres a couple more CotC cats) i believe, the rest go to the med cat den or elders den. We can count Berrynose ig if we really stretch it, not that his lack of a tail ever affected him.
@@Haven633 woops I completely forgot about crooked star, my bad sorry. I still would have like to see disabled character in roles like deputy and leader roles tho
Im so sorry but I’m going through Firestar’s Quest now and I have some math to back you up: Ashfoot was specifically mentioned to have just given birth to kits in Firestar’s Quest and since Crowpaw was mentioned to be almost a warrior in Midnight and Squirrelpaw was 8 moons in Midnight, he’d have to be 4-5 moons older than her. Brightheart was very pregnant with Whitekit when Firestar and Sandstorm left for their quest and when they gave birth to Squirrelkit and Leafkit at the end Whitekit is nearly old enough to be an apprentice, meaning she is about 5 moons old. Whitekit is probably only a week or two younger than Crowkit so we can confirm that that ages in Midnight match up there; Crowpaw was five moons older than Squirrelpaw so that litter Ashfoot gave birth to in Firestar’s Quest had to have had Crowkit in it. There’s no way around it Crowfeather was born in Firestar’s Quest. And if Firestar’s Quest takes place five months after the Darkest Hour, and Deadfoot died in the Darkest Hour, and cat pregnancy is like 2 months… yeah no absolutely not can Deadfoot be Crowfeather’s dad.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of Deadfoot being Crowfeather's dad... but the math is right there 😂 To me it sounds like Ashfoot had kits with someone she regretted (Mudclaw) and told Crowfeather that his dad was Deadfoot... And Deadfoot just kinda Starclan adopted him? I kinda adore this idea of Deadfoot considering any kits that Ashfur had even after his death as his own.
@@3amhellbeast Ok look at this: Ashfoot has Crowkit and littermates with Mudclaw, but regrets it, and she and Deadfoot talk about it in a dream? I think he'd be dead by the time Crowkit is born, yes. So Deadfoot understands because he’s nice like that, and pretty much sees Crowkit as his. Ashfoot tells Crowkit stories about Deadfoot, and the stories are made into memories in Crowkit's mind, because if you think about it, some stuff may look like a memory but they're just a story. When Crowfeather joins StarClan, Deadfoot will see him as his son
Ah, yes, Dawn of the Clans. In other words, The Arc Where All The She-cats Died Except For About 5 Of Them. Edit: Seriously there were like 10 she-cats who died in that arc!!
I just headcanon that when a cat dies, they go to Starclan with a physique of when they are the happiest in their life. Which would explain why Deadfoot still limps because no matter which age he choose, he always had that crooked paw. This is also why elders are seemed to be young because I assume they are indeed happier as a warrior and not having every bone aching in their body. Although at the same time I assume cats who grew into adults have a more blurry memory of their kithood, which means they still remember being a kid but it prevents them to associate that time period as the happiest they ever been (because they don't recall much aside from a sense of joy and warmth). This way it will prevents a grown cat who dies and shows up as a kit in Starclan. (But it could be amusing, just imagine if Bluestar became a kitten in Starclan because the happiest of her life was before Moonflower died. So now when Starclan cats have a meeting, you'll see this small kitten coming out of the tall grass and sits beside massive Lionheart. Then Spottedleaf goes “Ah Bluestar, you are late.” to this kit no older than 5 moons and she replied “Sorry, I came as soon as I heard but my tiny legs couldn't carry me any faster.”) But I guess this headcanon can also be angsty. For example when Brightheart dies and went to Starclan with no scarred face, it means that despite every joy she had later on (loving Cloudtail, being a mother and grandmother, the years of service for her clan, etc.) couldn't mend her and she still thinks her apprentice-hood was the best of her life.
I wonder if they just get to choose the body they want, otherwise things get super cloudy with characters who were happier after accidents, a few examples being halftail, Longtail and arguably briarlight who no longer have there injuries but appear far older then when it happened. I can't remember if they mentioned if berrynose got his tail back in starclan.
I think the only reason they had his kit name as hopkit before changing it to deadpaw was purely because the erins realized "oh shit it'd be pretty weird if he was named deadkit from birth" As for him not being healed in starclan, i'd imagine it's because he just never thought he needed healing. His leg wasn't something he saw as a burden, he was born with it and was able to adapt well to it. It's like, how everyone is normally at their young, more active self in starclan but yellowfang is still old and i think i recall the explanation being that in her old age was when she had been at her happiest, living in thunderclan, so that's how she stayed?
I would really like a talking on Stonefur, hes one of my fav charters from arc 1 and has a compelting and sacrficile death, and has a pretty instersting story with Bluefuur along with Mistyfoot!
Looking back on it, holy smokes the whole name-changing thing was cruel as hell! The cats having their name changed had no say in the matter at all, and yet nobody cared! The only exception was Brightheart.
It's always confused me that Brightheart's renaming was treated as the very cruel thing it was, but almost no other renaming-after-their-injuries was I wouldn't exactly mind either way (although I would definitely prefer it to be treated like Brightheart's) but the inconsistency is what gets me
@@diffjuns323 I guess it was just a cultural evolution thing. For example, a lot of the elders in The Prophecies Begin were named stuff like Halftail and One-eye, but after Firestar joined and became leader stuff like that became seen as taboo
I'm not sure, but one of the prequel characters could be cool, like Clear Sky, maybe, or Jagged Peak. Clear Sky always seemed like a jerk, but he did have his motives and had a redemption arc, while Jagged Peak went from an energetic and curious kit to a capable but grumpy warrior.
please I loved clear sky and his entire villian-to-redemption arc and the way after he lets his fears and insecurities get to him he tries to make it up to everyone the best he possibly can. especially to Thunder and Jagged Peak just becoming a grumpy prick was so funny to me
I would love to see a video on Blackfoot/Blackstar, as a cat that was the deputy of both tigerstar and brokenstar, eventually becoming leader himself. I think he's a really cool character.
Yessss, his character development is interesting. He has played so many roles in the warriors universe! Bully->villain->good guy-> heretic-> reformed heretic-> dead lol There’s so much packed into one character I love him.
I'll never forgive Blackstar for the evil he perpetuated when killing Stonefur, and don't understand why so many people do. People also defend leopardstar, and I just don't feel their redemptions are earned at all.
I’ve always liked the thought where StarClan cats get to chose wether or not they keep their disability. Deadfoot’s paw wasn’t shown to slow him down, and he felt like it was apart of him, so he kept it.
I remember reading when he was named deadfoot, he was perfectly fine with it. He took the name on like "hey man whatever, my foot IS dead i guess lol". He's an example of a disabled character that has a lot of confidence in themselves unlike a lot of other disabled cats in the series. I don't blame him for liking the name either, the name sounds fucking cool.
I feel like naming cats after their injuries when they aged was meant to be like a "badge of honour" kinda thing but as the series went on that kinda got lost
@@oracle372 shes a character in tallstars revenge, ( tallstars mother ) but the way she acted shaped tallpaws.. attitude? She dont got alot of time on screen but you can really get a talking vid on her
I’d love to see a video about Whitestorm! Inconsistencies aside, I think his relationships with his aunt, Bluestar, as well as Firestar are not discussed nearly as much as they should be.
The only way I can see Deadfoot being Crowfeathers dad and Crowfeather having known him would be if the wound we see him dying from actually kills him slowly. Like, he just manages to pull through, but the wound is severe and lingering, with repeated infections and difficulty healing. Deadfoot does his best to continue as deputy, (in the same way he continued training while wounded as an apprentice) maybe with assistance from Mudclaw whenever the wound is really acting up. He’s not a particularly present father, mostly because he is dying, and spends a lot of time in the medicine den whenever he’s not forcing himself to work. That’s all just an idea though, of course; I think it’d be neat but there’s definitely no evidence for it lol
This is a really cool headcanon actually! It also makes sense why crowfeather wouldn't comment on his wounds since he was so young, makes me think about how Ashfoot must've felt
If there were 5-6 moons between Darkest Hour and Firestar's Quest (I recall it being 6 not 5 but nvm that) then Deadfoot could have had Crowfeather with Ashfoot during that time, meaning he would be only slightly older than Whitewing. Also, he was supposed to become a warrior during Midnight if he hadn't left for sun-drown-place (he mentions that he's going to have final assessment soon), so he should be older than Spiderleg and Shrewpaw even. That being said the ages of everybody born between Darkest Hour and Midnight are a bit... complicated, so complicating years later Crowfeather' origin by mentioning Deadfoot was his father actually weirdly fits to all of this xD
He has to be alive at the same time as Deadfoot to remember him being deputy, so for this to work in any capacity he would need to have been born earlier in the first arc. This also suggests he was an apprentice for over a year, which is very abnormal.
I've seen this idea floating around of having the injury names be up to the named cat in question to bear. If Cinderpelt wants to be named after her mangled leg, she can just ask Bluestar or Firestar and they'll rename her Mangledleg. If she doesn't want to, she remains Cinderpelt. Lostface could interrupt Firestar mid-speech and go, "Hey, I wouldn't mind having an injury rename, but could I have something like Halfface instead?" and own her injury by owning her name. While outsiders might think naming a cat after their injury is cruel, the clan cats would see it as brandishing a medal of "I lived, bitch" and is something to be respected.
Wait, new theory: Firestar's Quest is wrong and Ravenpaw's manga is right; Deadfoot was still alive then, and only died between the manga and Midnight. Mudclaw being mentioned to be the deputy in Firestar's Quest could be caused by that book being written after The New Prophecy and they got it mixed up (just how they mixed up the count of Firestar's lives). ... I mean it's a mess either way but still xD
Yeah, while I love Tallstar's Revenge, some of its biggest flaws for me come from the fact that it's a prequel and therefore *has* to conclude in a specific way. Characters have to be where they were by the time of Into the Wild (or I guess Fire and Ice in WindClan's case) regardless of how they felt previously throughout that book. Hopkit-->Deadpaw/foot is an unfortunate side effect of that. He *has* to become Deadfoot somehow, right? Regardless of how cruel that renaming convention is. Renaming a cat after their disabilities/wounds/etc. has always struck me as very mean spirited of the authors to include as part of the cats' society. Deadpaw's cheer about the whole thing/the fact that he seemed to have had some say about it is definitely an outlier. ...And it still kind of feels forced, like some other aspects of the book. At the bare minimum, at least he wasn't forced to become a medicine cat because of his disability... but that's probably only because he had to become deputy one day.
I’d love to hear one about Nightpelt/Nightstar! He was my favorite leader when I was a kid cause of his interesting situation of being a very old one life guy still trying his best to be leader while hiding his lack of extra lives.
I will say that "lame" is a common scientific terminology for an animal that has a limp/cannot use one of their legs. I understand the cats are given quite anthropomorphic writings, but I don't think this use of the word was an issue
See that would hold up if these were anything like actual cats. But since the cats are literally just furry humans on four legs this is not a good word to be using.
@@fireflysbazzar But there are plenty of other instances in the books where words used to exclusively describe only animals and not humans are used and people don't complain... this is no different. So it does hold up.
Didn't the books say that cats are reverted to when they were "happiest" when they die? Maybe Deadfoot stays with his disability because he just wasn't upset by it. That would be cool.
While Crowfeather ever knowing his dad could not work in literally ANY sense without retcons I imagine that Ashfoot would have basically had to have found she's pregnant with Crowkit RIGHT BEFORE Deadfoot dies, and then Crowkit would be like 3 months old by Firestars quest (if we're considering the fact that cats stay pregnant for about 2 months) -- 2 or 3 months during firestar's quest that'd make him apprenticed age before Squirrelkit and Leafkit are born, and being about 13-14 months old by the time Squirrelpaw is 8 months in midnight (which checks out since he was about to take his warrior assessment by the time he leaves for the journey) . It's still a bit long for apprentices typically taking 12 months but an extra 1 or 2 months is at least more plausible than him having been an apprentice for a whole YEAR Though him ever KNOWING deadfoot is impossible (esspecially when he was old enough to ever be INTERESTED in she-cats like he implies), and even then it makes it weird how Ashfoot never left the nursery in between litters (though that could just be left to them not caring about Ashfoot )
Aside from Deadfoot being seen as motionless in TDH, so were Tornear and Runningbrook. Tornear is still alive all the way through to TLH. Runningbrook is still alive in FQ and GV.
My sibling’s justification of Deadfoot being Crowfeather’s father despite never having read any of these books and only saw this video and heard my summary of Tallstar’s revenge: since Deadfoot wasn’t explicitly stated as dead in the Darkest Hour but instead mortally injured, that he spent a long, long time in the medicine den after the Darkest Hour, during that time Mudclaw becomes deputy, AND somehow during the very very end of that stay in the medicine den, right before he died, he got Ashfoot pregnant. I typed this very eloquently? What my sibling actually said was “obviously while he was dying in the hospital he was f*ckin and s*ckin” 😂
So I just did the math, and deadfoot would only have needed to live 3 more moons after the Darkest Hour: 18 months in between books -2 for pregnancy -7 for kit -5 for Crowpaw being said to be almost a warrior in Midnight Which would leave three moons open before Crowfeather was born So, in theory, there is a very slim possibility it you don’t count allegiances
Fan Theory! Deadfoot was harshly injured in that battle. He didn't die, but he was in the medicine cats den for a long time. Maybe it was only a moon after this that Ashfoot came out as being pregnant. I would assume Mudclaw took up the role as deputy, much like Brambleclaw did when Graystripe was missing. It was meant to be temporary. Deadfoot would remain in the medicine cats den for moons, his son being born, growing up, and knowing him.... but knowing he was "busy." This probably a cover for saying his father was very ill. I assume Deadfoot died just after Crowfeather became Crowpaw, and so Mudclaw would take the full title as Deputy. This would explain why Crowfeather says his father was deputy, and confirm that it WAS Deadfoot. Sad theory.... but, realistic to an extent. o3o
I like to hear about mothwing. How she can’t communicate with starclan yet understands the great battle, ashfur being the imposter etc. Also how she was tigerstars daughter and the litter ate of hawk frost and how she felt when they both died, also how she was basically abandoned by Sasha.
Man, I really want to see more cats born with disabilities in Warriors. Cats are born with disabilities all the time in the real world, the authors are cowards for not writing a cat society that's actually chill with disabled cats
i think what ive heard is the cats in starclan shown up in the form they were most happy in, its why yellowfang still looks old and scarred, deadfoot also ALWAYS had a twisted foot, and never really seemed too upset about it
9:55 I’m assuming he chose to keep it, as it was something that defined him, and he didn’t think much would change with it healed, plus, we know cats can chose to keep stuff, as Bluestar mentioned that she kept her scar as a trophy!
I really like that Deadfoot still has has a disability in starclan, It shows that he doesnt need to be „healed“ to be happy and live his best life. its honestly horrible how often that gets thrown out the window, not just in warroir cats but in almost all fictional pieces with diabled characters. Its such a widly spread belive in real life that people with a disability would be better of without it, happier or even, if I may quote some realy disgusting school book „fixed“ and „whole again“ yuck. Often in fiction the characters arnt even given a choice on the matter, it just gets assumed theyd be happier and boom, theyre not disabled anymore. I like to think that thats what starclan was going to do, but Deadfoot was like: „What? No, my paw is like a part of me and Im doing great with the way it is, I dont need you to change it. It good the way it is.“ and they just let him (cuz its entierly his desision!!!)
My thpughts behind deadfoot being crowfeathers dad is just that deadfoot was nearly dead after the battle. They got him home to camp and he managed to hold onto life for a bit, he couldn’t preform his deputy duty’s but was still considered the deputy. crowfeathers was then born some point during this time and shortly after deadfoot died. It would still ruin him picking Crowpaw for the journey but I think it would be the only was to make deadfoot crowfeathers dad. It might not make complete sence but I like the headcannon that he wasn’t fully dead managed to hold on for a big in between that last book of TPB and the beginning of Firestars quest.
I would really like to see you talking about Nightstar. I know he is not the most interesting character out of all others, but personally i like him and i think that he is quite interesting to think about, so yeaaaaaahh..
Ok here's my headcanon (And I know quite a few agree) What if Crowfeather's dad is Mudclaw? Ashfoot had just given birth in Firestar's Quest, too much time after The Darkest Hour for it to have been Deadfoot. And Ashfoot realized how Mudclaw was after she had his kits, so she just said Deadfoot was Crowkit's father. If his father was Deadfoot, the whole Ravenpaw manga scene where Crowkit is like "No my Clan doesn't care about me" wouldn't make sense, because Deadfoot was a very kind cat. But Mudclaw? He was not very nice. He was very aggressive, and wouldn't really care about his kits. It is very possible that Deadfoot is the father of Eaglekit and the others, but it's impossible for him to be Crowfeather's father, so Ashfoot lied to him so he wouldn't feel neglected by his father. Or who knows, it could very well be Jake or Firestar
i wanna say that whole "being Lame" isnt calling the cat actually lame, its a term used when an animal has a bad foot or is limping, especially in the case of moo cows, they call them Lame.(: just in case yah didnt know!
It's a term that has been used to describe physically disabled people as well, especially those who have limited mobility. It's an inappropriate term that only disabled people can reclaim (if they choose to).
@@bookwormkiara5468 yeah but we are not talking about people here. we are talking about animals and in the world of refering to animal disabilities that weaken the use of a limb, that limb is labeled as lame. dont read into something that hard.
@@SgtMorningWood69 We are talking about animals that are anthropomorphized to the point that they are comparable to humans. It is not an appropriate term. It's not "reading into anything"; it's being a part of the disabled community and knowing the history behind how the term has been used.
Here's the guy!! Really like this video and I'm getting more attached to him now. I always liked him a bit because i was an edgy kid and he had "dead" in the name but he's just a really nice guy looking ahead always
I LOVE DeadFoot! He’s really underrated Anyway, can you talk about SootFur? He’s ignored all because the thing of his sister SorrelTail, but he’s really interesting! His father died when he was young and his mother was killed right in front of him! Also, his dead scene really remembers me of WhiteStorm (his father) dead scene, cause’ SquirrelFlight was at his side! (And when WhiteStorm died FireStar was at his side)
I don’t understand why Deadfoot gets to be deputy with a disabled foot, but Cinderpelt has to become a medicine cat because she has a disabled foot, it doesn’t make sense to me
I do miss the old demeaning names, but in the first series, it wasn't until Bright'Heart that there was reprecussions for it. I want a cat renamed something like "Badger'Eye" (attacked by a badger or whatever) and they hate their name. Flame'Heart is another thing, but a cat that despises their leader for renaming them after a traumatic moment and it /going through/ for one thing or another would be interesting. Not saying that abelist bull - crap like all dissabled or ill cats should be nammed after it, just saying that it would be an interesting plotpoint at some point for one character. Maybe that cat and the leader have issues with each other, so the leader gave them a backhanded name
I think the only thing that’d make sense for Deadfoot to be Crowfeather’s father is that because Crowfeather was an apprentice for ages, due to being on the Great Journey to Sun-drown place and only being made a warrior in Starlight. And, he was already an apprentice in Midnight, so that explains he’d already been an apprentice for a little while after Midnight started. (That’s the only explanation I could think of-)
I love Stonefur! I think there is a really interesting MAP of him and Hollyleaf you might like. Personally, I enjoy the parallels between Stonefur and feathertail, as well as Beetlewhisker. Why are all my favorite warriors Riverclan cats who die for their sense of justice and defending their loved ones?
@@queencharlene that’s exactly the map I was referencing a little, their parallels didn’t hit me til it came out 💔 but I especially love the one between him and Feathertail, especially since she’s been one of my favorites since the second arc
I would love to hear a talking video about leafpool. She’s a pretty interesting character and its alot to talk about her. I would love to hear a leafpool talking video atleast. :>
Maybe deadfoot didn't die during the battle but was wounded seriously so in his weakened state tallstar appointed mudclaw as deputy but deadfoot still helped out, then sometime after crowfeather was born he died? idk just an idea
I don't know man, at this point nothing in these books makes sense, so I really don't doubt that Crowfeather really was an apprentice for two years and Deadfoot is his father, Not because it makes sense, but because it DOESN'T make sense, and nothing makes sense, and I think we should continue like this, it's funny.
just quickly saying deadfoot is possible to be crowfeathers dad because crowfeather's a kit in fire and ice, even though it never states his name its said that the kit is ashfoots and crowfeather has three siblings who all die and kits and are his littermates however in fire and ice we only see one kit who as i said before is mentioned to be ashfoots, so yeah crowfeather was already born before deadfoot died
My headcnnon is that since Starclan cats are all as they were happiest in life I like to think he still has his twisted paw because he wasn't uncomfortable with his image with the disability due to him being as peppy as he seemed.
my idea of another talking video is princess She may be a kittypet but she is one of my favorite characters and she is cloudtails mother and therefore as a lot of cats related to her in the clans Yes I said clans because of dove wing I am also still saltyThat firestar just kind of abandoned her and the forest territories.
I HAVE COME TO THE MOONKITTI COMMENT SECTION BECAUSE I THINK IT IS THE MOST RELIABLE PLACE FOR THIS SORT OF INFORMATION!! does anyone remember a video in which Hollyleaf left the Oven on in the tunnels? I can't recall what it is but it's been bothering me, I NEED to know!
So, this is my personal theory. As a physically disabled person who suffers with chronic pain on a daily basis, I would want to keep my injury if I were a character in the book and went to StarClan. Disabilities might be seen as weaknesses to the rest of the world, but for the people who have them, it is their greatest strength. People with disabilities have to overcome more than others. In some ways it can become a sense of pride and a constant reminder that we can make it through anything. Of course, this is only my theory. I’m sure Deadfoot having his twisted paw in StarClan was either a mistake, or a misunderstanding of how StarClan works. You could also make the argument that Deadfoot was born with his disability and never knew what it was like to live without it. So, for him, it was normal.
I am physically, disabled myself, and really really appreciate this comment! I am partially blind, and was born with this disability. It is true what you say. Disabilities can truly make a person stronger if they embrace them, not choosing to use them as their only source of identity, but using them to Show what aspects of life can be overcome with determination, and in my case, a lot of faith. I believe that the disabled are a minority group that is very very frequently under appreciated. All minority groups deserve recognition and attention, but I believe that the disabled many times fade into the background when people consider Minorities.
On the topic of Starclan injuries, this is my theory: Injuries and Disabilities are healed IF the cat chooses. So cats like Jayfeather, who considers his blindness as nothing but a burden, might take sight. But cats like Brightheart or Cinderpelt(if she hadn't been reincarnated) mightve kept their injuries because they accepted it and it became part of who they are. The same goes for Briarlight. She saw her injury as a burden. Rather than a part of her.
what if redtail was crowfeather's dad
hi moonkitti
That's the only real logical explanation, especially with the fact that Redtail died years before Crowfeather was born. It makes the most sense.
it was firestar
What makes you think that? Or is this a "haha imagine" kinda joke. Out of curiosity and I cannot read a joke sometimes :')
that would be very interesting Moon
I like that Deadfoot's foot wasn't healed in StarClan. We are told at some point that cats return to how they were when they were happiest(which is why Yellowfang is still a raggedy old lady, cause she was happiest in ThunderClan) and that gives me the notion that Deadfoot was fine with his twisted foot. It was just a small hiccup in his life, and he was still immensely happy despite it.
But the theory makes snowkit, who is always deaf during his life, still keep disabled after he dies! (not Jayfeather because he's able to see when dreaming )
@@weil8374 🤷♂️ Maybe it's a conscious thing. Like if they wanted their injuries could heal? Idk.
this makes me feel worse for briarlight because it implies that she was happier before her injury than anytime after :(
I think they’re able to choose to keep said injuries when entering StarClan. I'd like to think he kept his foot because he didn't see it as a "disability", rather a little "quirk" of his.
@@weil8374 I (also) think it’s said that Jayfeather doesn’t like seeing, and closes his eyes in StarClan, for example. Snowkit probably doesn’t even know he can change it, and even if he did, maybe he also doesn’t mind.
Sorry guys, I'm not taking suggestions from this video. Next one is Moth Flight
Ok
Why did I read that as Moth Fight and picture a bug with boxing gloves
YASS mothflight
@@Shea_andherblackcat thanks now i will always think about this when i read her Name 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yay! I suggested moth flight a couple videos ago :D
i wish he’d become leader, having a leader named deadstar would be metal af
Yes
The Hopkit thing is sooo funny to me just because, imo, it feels like it was ONLY done because the writing team realized they couldn't have a character named Deadkit. Like that is the only reason I can think of for why they would go through the process of having him called Hopkit and then renaming him as an apprentice.
I don't understand why they couldn't have retconned his name to be something completely different, like something less insulting. it's not like retconning worse things have stopped them before
@@alieennetic3653 Cause deadfoot is a cool name, but it would have made a lot more sense if instead of the leader renaming him as an apprentice, he chose his OWN warrior name. The leader could have been all "are you sure???" and he could make his speech about how it reminds him that he overcame his personal hardships.
There's a plant that we use to brew ale called hops and with Windclan being near a farm, they might be able to see some (thank Stardew Valley for teaching me that). There's also a type of tree called hop-tree, so he could be named for that (thank Pokemon for that). Plus, if he was named at birth, when newborn kittens are all squirmy and wriggly, he wouldn't be hopping, he'd just be squirming with his siblings.
@@whatdoyoucallanalligatorin9174 eeeh. I don't agree. him having a powerful speech about how his ableist name is not ableist doesn't sit right with me. I don't find deadfoot a cool name the same way I don't find any of the cats that are named after their disability cool, just insulting.
@@alieennetic3653 I've heard of a type of rename system where after a cat suffers a grievous injury, the cat themselves can choose to take on a name reflecting it. Like if Lostface interrupted Firestar mid-speech and said, "Yeah, so I would like an injury rename, but could I go with Halfface or something?" While Cinderpelt would also be treated as respected even though she doesn't change her name to Mangledleg. It's their individual choices, no one else's, and any injury or disability is seen as a celebration. Like, the world tried to kill you and you walked away still breathing, that's awesome!
Plus, good worldbuilding involves complex social attitudes towards something you may find despicable or rude. Like in India, eating everything on your plate means you want more and leaving some stuff still on it means you're done eating, whereas in America, it's considered rude and wasteful to not eat everything on your plate. In Korea, casually smiling to a stranger indicates you wanna throw down, but in America, that's just being polite
Closer to the topic, in certain regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan, women are never referred to by their names, instead going by "the wife of this man", "the daughter of this man", or "the mother of this man", and while some women wish to be referred to by their true names going forward, some women still wish to be called by these epithets. It's their choice, and no one should force or coerce or bully them to change it.
Personal headcanon, but i like to think Deadfoot is still Crowfeather's dad, he just died before Ashfoot had their kits. Maybe Ashfoot would tell Crowkit about how his father worked hard and was a very dedicated deputy (which, obviously wasn't the author's intent, but headcanons are fun). It'd also make it seem like Deadfoot isn't just choosing cause "oh yeah my son he's cool look at my boy" (it still has a bit of that but yknow), it's also cause it's the only kit of his that survived (Eaglekit, Hillkit and Downkit are all in starclan). I'm not sure if the timeline matches, but headcanons are headcanons
Ashfoot or Dawncloud could be talked about next? There's not much to talk about, so a mini-talking might fit best
The only issue is that a cat’s gestation is 2-3 months and the time passage was around 5.
I like to think Deadfoot told Ashfoot to tell Crowkit he was the father. It’d imply him and Ashfoot had something romantic or even platonic which is cute. Heck, it might just be a love for his clan.
Two issues, the first being that Crowfeather *remembers him* as deputy. The second being that even if we assume that Crowfeather didn't ever know his father, Crowfeather would have to, at the very least, be a 4-5 moon old kit at the beginning of Firestar's Quest for this to work. And then he would have been made an apprentice by the end of the book, and he would have been an apprentice for nearly an entire year by the time Midnight comes around, which is about 6 months more training than an apprentice as been said to require.
@@Moonkitti I’m pretty sure that memories that people have from when they are young children get modified based on what the parents said as well as the event. It could be that as a very young baby Crowkit wondered about his dad and the stories that Ashfoot said could have somehow formed into actual memories of Crowfeathers dad? It could be possible because psychology especially with young children is whack
@@Moonkitti That's a good point! I feel like there are ways to make that headcanon work, but at that point it'd just be an AU
Also thank you for taking the time to respond! These videos analyzing random cats have been very interesting-I hope you keep doing them!
@@Moonkitti crowfeather being an apprentice for a year can make sense, because his mentor was mudclaw, and he's known for not being easy to argue with and win. I can see that as a chance, but a cat that could be his father is tornear, mudclaw's brother.
Always liked Deadfoot! And seeing what scenes he was in and how he acted, I’m like “Ye! I like this guy! Swell guy!”
I remember reading the part in Crowfeather’s trial about Deadfoot being Crowfeather’s dad and just doing a big, disappointed sigh. I can excuse all the bad math that makes this situation impossible, I’m just so so so tired to Warriors nepotism. -_- Granted not that a whole lot was ever followed through on Crowfeather’s story and Deadfoot’s speech about him in Midnight, but you’re absolutely right that it changes the meaning behind that scene completely if Deadfoot is Crowfeather’s dad. It’s annoying to see these retcons try to add depth only to make it way more shallow.
Oh hi Tennelle! I love your art!
Same, it was so annoying when the book literally said “Yuh yuh, dead’foot is my father yada yada”
Actually Deadfoot was kind of right about the pink cloud sign as it was referring to the death of Riverclan's Whiteclaw by Graystripe at a border skirmish. I think Windclan was only kind of involved because they were escorting Fireheart and Graystripe back.
Whoops. They did get the unfortunate outcome of having to fight off the riverclan patrol at all, though!
I thought barkface interpreted that sign
@@w1ld.w1ndyes, barkface is the one who interprets the sign.
however; deadfoot says that the sign could be for everyone. the original commenter is just defending his point, not saying he interepted the sign himself
@@aubrisfox 👍👍
i like to imagine that the in universe explanation for deadfoot having his disability in star clan is because he never really felt bad about it and it never made him feel bad so maybe he chose to keep it.
I completely agree
I believe it actually does mention that somewhere. The cats can choose weather or not they keep their disabilities.
Agreed, I love his attitude about his disability
can you imagine if they kept the “naming elders after the reason they retired” thing and longtail was named something like “Noeyes”
Then a bunch of them would be named old-age or something like that
@@bengal.o_Oyes
Or rabbit eyes would be hilarious
“Lostsight” 💀
I can picture it so clearly. "These are our elders, Mousefur and Scratchedface." "Can I please have _any other name?"_ "No! Shut up, old person!"
I was always very disappointed that Deadfood, one of 3 disabled warriors across the entire series who's prime to become the only disabled leader, gets an off-screen death without any other mention. I really liked him, he was a fun character from what we got, but then he was gone and every other disabled cat keeps getting stuck in the medicine den.
Edit: I don't know how I forgot about Crookedstar, so we got a whole 1 disabled leader across the entire series!
It is unfortunate that we have no disabled leader across 78 books. But I am curious who was the second disabled warrior that could have been a leader?
deadfood 🥸🥸
@@alieennetic3653 I might be misreading it, but it looks to me like the bit about being able to become leader is an unrelated point about Deadfoot, with it being intended more like this: "one of two disabled warriors across the entire series[, ] who's [also] prime to become the only disabled leader..." Assuming this is the case, the other disabled warrior would presumably be Brightheart, but there's also Jagged Peak!
@@alieennetic3653 crookedstar??? He quite literally has a life altering injury that prevents him from being able to eat and bite normally and still goes on to become leader of Riverclan despite being stunted as a kit due to this.
Brightheart and Jagged Peak are the only other two disabled warriors (main series, theres a couple more CotC cats) i believe, the rest go to the med cat den or elders den. We can count Berrynose ig if we really stretch it, not that his lack of a tail ever affected him.
@@Haven633 woops I completely forgot about crooked star, my bad sorry. I still would have like to see disabled character in roles like deputy and leader roles tho
Im so sorry but I’m going through Firestar’s Quest now and I have some math to back you up:
Ashfoot was specifically mentioned to have just given birth to kits in Firestar’s Quest and since Crowpaw was mentioned to be almost a warrior in Midnight and Squirrelpaw was 8 moons in Midnight, he’d have to be 4-5 moons older than her. Brightheart was very pregnant with Whitekit when Firestar and Sandstorm left for their quest and when they gave birth to Squirrelkit and Leafkit at the end Whitekit is nearly old enough to be an apprentice, meaning she is about 5 moons old. Whitekit is probably only a week or two younger than Crowkit so we can confirm that that ages in Midnight match up there; Crowpaw was five moons older than Squirrelpaw so that litter Ashfoot gave birth to in Firestar’s Quest had to have had Crowkit in it. There’s no way around it Crowfeather was born in Firestar’s Quest. And if Firestar’s Quest takes place five months after the Darkest Hour, and Deadfoot died in the Darkest Hour, and cat pregnancy is like 2 months… yeah no absolutely not can Deadfoot be Crowfeather’s dad.
Why I am saying this I don’t know but you both inspired me to read the series and create TH-cam videos about warriors so thanks I guess!
AMAZINGLY SAID!
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of Deadfoot being Crowfeather's dad... but the math is right there 😂
To me it sounds like Ashfoot had kits with someone she regretted (Mudclaw) and told Crowfeather that his dad was Deadfoot... And Deadfoot just kinda Starclan adopted him? I kinda adore this idea of Deadfoot considering any kits that Ashfur had even after his death as his own.
@@3amhellbeast Ok look at this: Ashfoot has Crowkit and littermates with Mudclaw, but regrets it, and she and Deadfoot talk about it in a dream? I think he'd be dead by the time Crowkit is born, yes. So Deadfoot understands because he’s nice like that, and pretty much sees Crowkit as his.
Ashfoot tells Crowkit stories about Deadfoot, and the stories are made into memories in Crowkit's mind, because if you think about it, some stuff may look like a memory but they're just a story.
When Crowfeather joins StarClan, Deadfoot will see him as his son
Just realized my phone autocorrected Ashfoot to Ashfur here... oops! 😂
I’d love to see your opinions on a lot of the female cats in DoTC like Holly, Storm, Violet Dawn, Star Flower, etc;
Ah, yes, Dawn of the Clans.
In other words, The Arc Where All The She-cats Died Except For About 5 Of Them.
Edit: Seriously there were like 10 she-cats who died in that arc!!
I don't know about most of them, but I do know that Moonkitti loves Star Flower!
@@glutentag2296 your name is amazing never change
I just headcanon that when a cat dies, they go to Starclan with a physique of when they are the happiest in their life. Which would explain why Deadfoot still limps because no matter which age he choose, he always had that crooked paw. This is also why elders are seemed to be young because I assume they are indeed happier as a warrior and not having every bone aching in their body.
Although at the same time I assume cats who grew into adults have a more blurry memory of their kithood, which means they still remember being a kid but it prevents them to associate that time period as the happiest they ever been (because they don't recall much aside from a sense of joy and warmth).
This way it will prevents a grown cat who dies and shows up as a kit in Starclan.
(But it could be amusing, just imagine if Bluestar became a kitten in Starclan because the happiest of her life was before Moonflower died. So now when Starclan cats have a meeting, you'll see this small kitten coming out of the tall grass and sits beside massive Lionheart. Then Spottedleaf goes “Ah Bluestar, you are late.” to this kit no older than 5 moons and she replied “Sorry, I came as soon as I heard but my tiny legs couldn't carry me any faster.”)
But I guess this headcanon can also be angsty. For example when Brightheart dies and went to Starclan with no scarred face, it means that despite every joy she had later on (loving Cloudtail, being a mother and grandmother, the years of service for her clan, etc.) couldn't mend her and she still thinks her apprentice-hood was the best of her life.
I think this is the best explonation. I also had similar thoughts and want to use this kind of concept for the StarClan in my oc story
I wonder if they just get to choose the body they want, otherwise things get super cloudy with characters who were happier after accidents, a few examples being halftail, Longtail and arguably briarlight who no longer have there injuries but appear far older then when it happened.
I can't remember if they mentioned if berrynose got his tail back in starclan.
I think the only reason they had his kit name as hopkit before changing it to deadpaw was purely because the erins realized "oh shit it'd be pretty weird if he was named deadkit from birth"
As for him not being healed in starclan, i'd imagine it's because he just never thought he needed healing. His leg wasn't something he saw as a burden, he was born with it and was able to adapt well to it.
It's like, how everyone is normally at their young, more active self in starclan but yellowfang is still old and i think i recall the explanation being that in her old age was when she had been at her happiest, living in thunderclan, so that's how she stayed?
I’d love to see a video on Sunstar and his brother Featherwhisker. Both cats mentored major characters and they just worked so well together.
“If you can limp, you can walk. If you can walk, you can run.” - Hawkheart to Hopkit, Tallstar’s Revenge.
I would really like a talking on Stonefur, hes one of my fav charters from arc 1 and has a compelting and sacrficile death, and has a pretty instersting story with Bluefuur along with Mistyfoot!
Looking back on it, holy smokes the whole name-changing thing was cruel as hell!
The cats having their name changed had no say in the matter at all, and yet nobody cared!
The only exception was Brightheart.
It's always confused me that Brightheart's renaming was treated as the very cruel thing it was, but almost no other renaming-after-their-injuries was
I wouldn't exactly mind either way (although I would definitely prefer it to be treated like Brightheart's) but the inconsistency is what gets me
@@diffjuns323 I guess it was just a cultural evolution thing. For example, a lot of the elders in The Prophecies Begin were named stuff like Halftail and One-eye, but after Firestar joined and became leader stuff like that became seen as taboo
@@_kaleido that makes sense now that you say it. Still odd but explainable
I'm not sure, but one of the prequel characters could be cool, like Clear Sky, maybe, or Jagged Peak. Clear Sky always seemed like a jerk, but he did have his motives and had a redemption arc, while Jagged Peak went from an energetic and curious kit to a capable but grumpy warrior.
Please need Clear Sky
We need clear sky
Id love one about jagged peak
please I loved clear sky and his entire villian-to-redemption arc and the way after he lets his fears and insecurities get to him he tries to make it up to everyone the best he possibly can. especially to Thunder
and Jagged Peak just becoming a grumpy prick was so funny to me
I would love to see a video on Blackfoot/Blackstar, as a cat that was the deputy of both tigerstar and brokenstar, eventually becoming leader himself. I think he's a really cool character.
blackstar is one of my alltime favorites so i'm seconding this
Gg you win, like, me and that other guy were tied for 10 likes, 10 mins ago, and in half the time you get the same amount of likes.
Yessss, his character development is interesting. He has played so many roles in the warriors universe! Bully->villain->good guy-> heretic-> reformed heretic-> dead lol
There’s so much packed into one character I love him.
yes! i just finished blackfoot’s reckoning and he is such an interesting character!🙌
I'll never forgive Blackstar for the evil he perpetuated when killing Stonefur, and don't understand why so many people do. People also defend leopardstar, and I just don't feel their redemptions are earned at all.
I’ve always liked the thought where StarClan cats get to chose wether or not they keep their disability. Deadfoot’s paw wasn’t shown to slow him down, and he felt like it was apart of him, so he kept it.
We are thinking on the same brain length
I remember reading when he was named deadfoot, he was perfectly fine with it. He took the name on like "hey man whatever, my foot IS dead i guess lol". He's an example of a disabled character that has a lot of confidence in themselves unlike a lot of other disabled cats in the series. I don't blame him for liking the name either, the name sounds fucking cool.
I feel like naming cats after their injuries when they aged was meant to be like a "badge of honour" kinda thing but as the series went on that kinda got lost
i would love to see a talking video on palebird!! she is not a major character but still quite interesting
Who's palebird?
@@oracle372 she’s tallstar’s mother, she gets really sad about finchkit (tallstar’s dead sister) and neglects him
@@mangleshp
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@@oracle372 shes a character in tallstars revenge, ( tallstars mother ) but the way she acted shaped tallpaws.. attitude? She dont got alot of time on screen but you can really get a talking vid on her
@@amarillo_zuki
"time on screen" lol, talking as if it's a movje / TV show
I’d love to see a video about Whitestorm! Inconsistencies aside, I think his relationships with his aunt, Bluestar, as well as Firestar are not discussed nearly as much as they should be.
YES.
The only way I can see Deadfoot being Crowfeathers dad and Crowfeather having known him would be if the wound we see him dying from actually kills him slowly. Like, he just manages to pull through, but the wound is severe and lingering, with repeated infections and difficulty healing. Deadfoot does his best to continue as deputy, (in the same way he continued training while wounded as an apprentice) maybe with assistance from Mudclaw whenever the wound is really acting up. He’s not a particularly present father, mostly because he is dying, and spends a lot of time in the medicine den whenever he’s not forcing himself to work.
That’s all just an idea though, of course; I think it’d be neat but there’s definitely no evidence for it lol
This is a really cool headcanon actually! It also makes sense why crowfeather wouldn't comment on his wounds since he was so young, makes me think about how Ashfoot must've felt
I like to believe Deadfoot chose to keep his foot broken
broken*
If there were 5-6 moons between Darkest Hour and Firestar's Quest (I recall it being 6 not 5 but nvm that) then Deadfoot could have had Crowfeather with Ashfoot during that time, meaning he would be only slightly older than Whitewing. Also, he was supposed to become a warrior during Midnight if he hadn't left for sun-drown-place (he mentions that he's going to have final assessment soon), so he should be older than Spiderleg and Shrewpaw even. That being said the ages of everybody born between Darkest Hour and Midnight are a bit... complicated, so complicating years later Crowfeather' origin by mentioning Deadfoot was his father actually weirdly fits to all of this xD
He has to be alive at the same time as Deadfoot to remember him being deputy, so for this to work in any capacity he would need to have been born earlier in the first arc. This also suggests he was an apprentice for over a year, which is very abnormal.
I've seen this idea floating around of having the injury names be up to the named cat in question to bear. If Cinderpelt wants to be named after her mangled leg, she can just ask Bluestar or Firestar and they'll rename her Mangledleg. If she doesn't want to, she remains Cinderpelt. Lostface could interrupt Firestar mid-speech and go, "Hey, I wouldn't mind having an injury rename, but could I have something like Halfface instead?" and own her injury by owning her name. While outsiders might think naming a cat after their injury is cruel, the clan cats would see it as brandishing a medal of "I lived, bitch" and is something to be respected.
Wait, new theory: Firestar's Quest is wrong and Ravenpaw's manga is right; Deadfoot was still alive then, and only died between the manga and Midnight. Mudclaw being mentioned to be the deputy in Firestar's Quest could be caused by that book being written after The New Prophecy and they got it mixed up (just how they mixed up the count of Firestar's lives).
... I mean it's a mess either way but still xD
I love the little doodles that you draw of the characters. They’re so cute.
babe wake up moonkitti posted a talking video
Yesss
Yeah, while I love Tallstar's Revenge, some of its biggest flaws for me come from the fact that it's a prequel and therefore *has* to conclude in a specific way. Characters have to be where they were by the time of Into the Wild (or I guess Fire and Ice in WindClan's case) regardless of how they felt previously throughout that book. Hopkit-->Deadpaw/foot is an unfortunate side effect of that. He *has* to become Deadfoot somehow, right? Regardless of how cruel that renaming convention is. Renaming a cat after their disabilities/wounds/etc. has always struck me as very mean spirited of the authors to include as part of the cats' society. Deadpaw's cheer about the whole thing/the fact that he seemed to have had some say about it is definitely an outlier. ...And it still kind of feels forced, like some other aspects of the book. At the bare minimum, at least he wasn't forced to become a medicine cat because of his disability... but that's probably only because he had to become deputy one day.
I’d love to hear one about Nightpelt/Nightstar! He was my favorite leader when I was a kid cause of his interesting situation of being a very old one life guy still trying his best to be leader while hiding his lack of extra lives.
" No dead Foot hes EMO!!!!!!!"
I will say that "lame" is a common scientific terminology for an animal that has a limp/cannot use one of their legs. I understand the cats are given quite anthropomorphic writings, but I don't think this use of the word was an issue
That's what I was thinking lmao
It's used with horses when they start limping so I didnt see any problem with it 😅
same, the book was also written quite a bit ago, i'm pretty sure.
Doesn't Jagged Peak's mom quite literally say "You're lame!" In dawn of the clans directly to him at one point or am I just misremebering things
See that would hold up if these were anything like actual cats. But since the cats are literally just furry humans on four legs this is not a good word to be using.
@@fireflysbazzar But there are plenty of other instances in the books where words used to exclusively describe only animals and not humans are used and people don't complain... this is no different. So it does hold up.
Didn't the books say that cats are reverted to when they were "happiest" when they die? Maybe Deadfoot stays with his disability because he just wasn't upset by it. That would be cool.
While Crowfeather ever knowing his dad could not work in literally ANY sense without retcons I imagine that Ashfoot would have basically had to have found she's pregnant with Crowkit RIGHT BEFORE Deadfoot dies, and then Crowkit would be like 3 months old by Firestars quest (if we're considering the fact that cats stay pregnant for about 2 months) -- 2 or 3 months during firestar's quest that'd make him apprenticed age before Squirrelkit and Leafkit are born, and being about 13-14 months old by the time Squirrelpaw is 8 months in midnight (which checks out since he was about to take his warrior assessment by the time he leaves for the journey) . It's still a bit long for apprentices typically taking 12 months but an extra 1 or 2 months is at least more plausible than him having been an apprentice for a whole YEAR
Though him ever KNOWING deadfoot is impossible (esspecially when he was old enough to ever be INTERESTED in she-cats like he implies), and even then it makes it weird how Ashfoot never left the nursery in between litters (though that could just be left to them not caring about Ashfoot )
Aside from Deadfoot being seen as motionless in TDH, so were Tornear and Runningbrook. Tornear is still alive all the way through to TLH. Runningbrook is still alive in FQ and GV.
My sibling’s justification of Deadfoot being Crowfeather’s father despite never having read any of these books and only saw this video and heard my summary of Tallstar’s revenge: since Deadfoot wasn’t explicitly stated as dead in the Darkest Hour but instead mortally injured, that he spent a long, long time in the medicine den after the Darkest Hour, during that time Mudclaw becomes deputy, AND somehow during the very very end of that stay in the medicine den, right before he died, he got Ashfoot pregnant.
I typed this very eloquently? What my sibling actually said was “obviously while he was dying in the hospital he was f*ckin and s*ckin” 😂
So I just did the math, and deadfoot would only have needed to live 3 more moons after the Darkest Hour:
18 months in between books
-2 for pregnancy
-7 for kit
-5 for Crowpaw being said to be almost a warrior in Midnight
Which would leave three moons open before Crowfeather was born
So, in theory, there is a very slim possibility it you don’t count allegiances
Deadfoot O: I love this cat! He’s always been so cool!
Fan Theory!
Deadfoot was harshly injured in that battle. He didn't die, but he was in the medicine cats den for a long time. Maybe it was only a moon after this that Ashfoot came out as being pregnant. I would assume Mudclaw took up the role as deputy, much like Brambleclaw did when Graystripe was missing.
It was meant to be temporary. Deadfoot would remain in the medicine cats den for moons, his son being born, growing up, and knowing him.... but knowing he was "busy." This probably a cover for saying his father was very ill. I assume Deadfoot died just after Crowfeather became Crowpaw, and so Mudclaw would take the full title as Deputy.
This would explain why Crowfeather says his father was deputy, and confirm that it WAS Deadfoot.
Sad theory.... but, realistic to an extent. o3o
I like to hear about mothwing. How she can’t communicate with starclan yet understands the great battle, ashfur being the imposter etc. Also how she was tigerstars daughter and the litter ate of hawk frost and how she felt when they both died, also how she was basically abandoned by Sasha.
Man, I really want to see more cats born with disabilities in Warriors. Cats are born with disabilities all the time in the real world, the authors are cowards for not writing a cat society that's actually chill with disabled cats
i think what ive heard is the cats in starclan shown up in the form they were most happy in, its why yellowfang still looks old and scarred, deadfoot also ALWAYS had a twisted foot, and never really seemed too upset about it
"He's perfectly fine, guys!"
"No, Deadfoot, look, he's emo."
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I’m assuming he chose to keep it, as it was something that defined him, and he didn’t think much would change with it healed, plus, we know cats can chose to keep stuff, as Bluestar mentioned that she kept her scar as a trophy!
Wait I thought Deadfoot died in the BloodClan battle, or is that what you're talking about? I rlly need to reread tpb
Begging the Erins to start using an excel sheet to keep track of the timeline of their funny cat books.
I really like that Deadfoot still has has a disability in starclan, It shows that he doesnt need to be „healed“ to be happy and live his best life. its honestly horrible how often that gets thrown out the window, not just in warroir cats but in almost all fictional pieces with diabled characters. Its such a widly spread belive in real life that people with a disability would be better of without it, happier or even, if I may quote some realy disgusting school book „fixed“ and „whole again“ yuck. Often in fiction the characters arnt even given a choice on the matter, it just gets assumed theyd be happier and boom, theyre not disabled anymore.
I like to think that thats what starclan was going to do, but Deadfoot was like: „What? No, my paw is like a part of me and Im doing great with the way it is, I dont need you to change it. It good the way it is.“ and they just let him (cuz its entierly his desision!!!)
I would love to see a Jagged Peak video! We need more Dawn of the Clans, and he’s a cool character who we don’t already have perspective of!
Whats a windclan
Could you talk about Graywing?
I want to see a talk video on Jagged peak I think he is a really interesting dawn of the clans character and should be talked about
I’d like to see Icewing from riverclan. She was one of the cats that had to live in shadowclan for awhile and seems like an interesting cat!
I remember she had a talk with Shadowsight but I don't remember what she said
There’s a fic on Icewing on AO3 and it’s really good, I don’t remember the title but it was a great read
I really wish he became leader, I feel like he would have been pretty good.
I agree! It would’ve been so cool to see him as a leader!
I love Deadfoot so much. He should have been a leader, imagine a cat name Deadstar who is actually really nice, optimistic and friendly
My thpughts behind deadfoot being crowfeathers dad is just that deadfoot was nearly dead after the battle. They got him home to camp and he managed to hold onto life for a bit, he couldn’t preform his deputy duty’s but was still considered the deputy. crowfeathers was then born some point during this time and shortly after deadfoot died. It would still ruin him picking Crowpaw for the journey but I think it would be the only was to make deadfoot crowfeathers dad. It might not make complete sence but I like the headcannon that he wasn’t fully dead managed to hold on for a big in between that last book of TPB and the beginning of Firestars quest.
I would really like to see you talking about Nightstar. I know he is not the most interesting character out of all others, but personally i like him and i think that he is quite interesting to think about, so yeaaaaaahh..
Ok here's my headcanon (And I know quite a few agree)
What if Crowfeather's dad is Mudclaw? Ashfoot had just given birth in Firestar's Quest, too much time after The Darkest Hour for it to have been Deadfoot. And Ashfoot realized how Mudclaw was after she had his kits, so she just said Deadfoot was Crowkit's father. If his father was Deadfoot, the whole Ravenpaw manga scene where Crowkit is like "No my Clan doesn't care about me" wouldn't make sense, because Deadfoot was a very kind cat. But Mudclaw? He was not very nice. He was very aggressive, and wouldn't really care about his kits. It is very possible that Deadfoot is the father of Eaglekit and the others, but it's impossible for him to be Crowfeather's father, so Ashfoot lied to him so he wouldn't feel neglected by his father.
Or who knows, it could very well be Jake or Firestar
I mean Jake is already everyone’s father so what’s one more…?
i wanna say that whole "being Lame" isnt calling the cat actually lame, its a term used when an animal has a bad foot or is limping, especially in the case of moo cows, they call them Lame.(: just in case yah didnt know!
It's a term that has been used to describe physically disabled people as well, especially those who have limited mobility. It's an inappropriate term that only disabled people can reclaim (if they choose to).
@@bookwormkiara5468 yeah but we are not talking about people here. we are talking about animals and in the world of refering to animal disabilities that weaken the use of a limb, that limb is labeled as lame. dont read into something that hard.
@@SgtMorningWood69 We are talking about animals that are anthropomorphized to the point that they are comparable to humans. It is not an appropriate term. It's not "reading into anything"; it's being a part of the disabled community and knowing the history behind how the term has been used.
Here's the guy!! Really like this video and I'm getting more attached to him now. I always liked him a bit because i was an edgy kid and he had "dead" in the name but he's just a really nice guy looking ahead always
I don’t really know who to suggest so I’m gonna go with Crookedstar. I liked his book and it made me cry.
1:24, no, actually it was the river clan cat that got yeated of a cliff and into the river
Whoops
I LOVE DeadFoot! He’s really underrated
Anyway, can you talk about SootFur? He’s ignored all because the thing of his sister SorrelTail, but he’s really interesting! His father died when he was young and his mother was killed right in front of him! Also, his dead scene really remembers me of WhiteStorm (his father) dead scene, cause’ SquirrelFlight was at his side! (And when WhiteStorm died FireStar was at his side)
i think Deadfood was made Crowfeather's dad because the erins needed a black Windclan tom and their spinning wheel landed on Deadfoot.
Plsss make a video about Rainflower {Aka the worst mom ever}
i hate her so much😂
Holy crape this is the 2nd comment-
i feel like they only get healed if they have a desire to
I think of cinderpelt as a deadfoot clone somehow
I liked deadfoot, and thought a novella for him would've been cool but I don't think anyone really remembers who he is lol
ok but imagine your parents walked up to you and said, "We changed your legal name to DEAD - FOOT"
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I don’t understand why Deadfoot gets to be deputy with a disabled foot, but Cinderpelt has to become a medicine cat because she has a disabled foot, it doesn’t make sense to me
I do miss the old demeaning names, but in the first series, it wasn't until Bright'Heart that there was reprecussions for it. I want a cat renamed something like "Badger'Eye" (attacked by a badger or whatever) and they hate their name. Flame'Heart is another thing, but a cat that despises their leader for renaming them after a traumatic moment and it /going through/ for one thing or another would be interesting.
Not saying that abelist bull - crap like all dissabled or ill cats should be nammed after it, just saying that it would be an interesting plotpoint at some point for one character. Maybe that cat and the leader have issues with each other, so the leader gave them a backhanded name
I think the only thing that’d make sense for Deadfoot to be Crowfeather’s father is that because Crowfeather was an apprentice for ages, due to being on the Great Journey to Sun-drown place and only being made a warrior in Starlight. And, he was already an apprentice in Midnight, so that explains he’d already been an apprentice for a little while after Midnight started.
(That’s the only explanation I could think of-)
I agree with people saying Stonefur, he’s a good character to talk about and actually a sort of parallel to Hollyleaf if you think about it
I love Stonefur! I think there is a really interesting MAP of him and Hollyleaf you might like. Personally, I enjoy the parallels between Stonefur and feathertail, as well as Beetlewhisker. Why are all my favorite warriors Riverclan cats who die for their sense of justice and defending their loved ones?
@@queencharlene that’s exactly the map I was referencing a little, their parallels didn’t hit me til it came out 💔 but I especially love the one between him and Feathertail, especially since she’s been one of my favorites since the second arc
Lol 😆
I would love to hear a talking video about leafpool. She’s a pretty interesting character and its alot to talk about her. I would love to hear a leafpool talking video atleast. :>
She-cats are part tarantula in warriors and can hang on to “future kittens” confirmed, thanks Crowfeather
I like deadfoot but I wish they didn't change his name
Maybe deadfoot didn't die during the battle but was wounded seriously so in his weakened state tallstar appointed mudclaw as deputy but deadfoot still helped out, then sometime after crowfeather was born he died? idk just an idea
I thought I saw him in the darkest hour. In the battle against scourge and that’s when he died. I think though my memories pretty bad lol.
I don't know man, at this point nothing in these books makes sense, so I really don't doubt that Crowfeather really was an apprentice for two years and Deadfoot is his father, Not because it makes sense, but because it DOESN'T make sense, and nothing makes sense, and I think we should continue like this, it's funny.
just quickly saying deadfoot is possible to be crowfeathers dad because crowfeather's a kit in fire and ice, even though it never states his name its said that the kit is ashfoots and crowfeather has three siblings who all die and kits and are his littermates however in fire and ice we only see one kit who as i said before is mentioned to be ashfoots, so yeah crowfeather was already born before deadfoot died
My headcnnon is that since Starclan cats are all as they were happiest in life I like to think he still has his twisted paw because he wasn't uncomfortable with his image with the disability due to him being as peppy as he seemed.
my idea of another talking video is princess She may be a kittypet but she is one of my favorite characters and she is cloudtails mother and therefore as a lot of cats related to her in the clans Yes I said clans because of dove wing I am also still saltyThat firestar just kind of abandoned her and the forest territories.
I HAVE COME TO THE MOONKITTI COMMENT SECTION BECAUSE I THINK IT IS THE MOST RELIABLE PLACE FOR THIS SORT OF INFORMATION!! does anyone remember a video in which Hollyleaf left the Oven on in the tunnels? I can't recall what it is but it's been bothering me, I NEED to know!
I justify it by saying Deadfoot choosing Crowfeather makes Crowfeather a nepo baby, which is the funniest possible option to me
Imagine if DeadFoot was just birthed, and named as “DeadKit” like damn
well Deadpaw isn't as bad as Footpaw: his name is Foothalf in the Finnish books
I think Whitestorm should be Crowfeather’s dad
So, this is my personal theory. As a physically disabled person who suffers with chronic pain on a daily basis, I would want to keep my injury if I were a character in the book and went to StarClan. Disabilities might be seen as weaknesses to the rest of the world, but for the people who have them, it is their greatest strength. People with disabilities have to overcome more than others. In some ways it can become a sense of pride and a constant reminder that we can make it through anything. Of course, this is only my theory. I’m sure Deadfoot having his twisted paw in StarClan was either a mistake, or a misunderstanding of how StarClan works. You could also make the argument that Deadfoot was born with his disability and never knew what it was like to live without it. So, for him, it was normal.
I am physically, disabled myself, and really really appreciate this comment! I am partially blind, and was born with this disability. It is true what you say. Disabilities can truly make a person stronger if they embrace them, not choosing to use them as their only source of identity, but using them to Show what aspects of life can be overcome with determination, and in my case, a lot of faith. I believe that the disabled are a minority group that is very very frequently under appreciated. All minority groups deserve recognition and attention, but I believe that the disabled many times fade into the background when people consider Minorities.
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On the topic of Starclan injuries, this is my theory: Injuries and Disabilities are healed IF the cat chooses. So cats like Jayfeather, who considers his blindness as nothing but a burden, might take sight. But cats like Brightheart or Cinderpelt(if she hadn't been reincarnated) mightve kept their injuries because they accepted it and it became part of who they are. The same goes for Briarlight. She saw her injury as a burden. Rather than a part of her.
Jake is Crowfeathers father Jake is everyone’s father
Wait I'm second??? :000
Deadfoot was always one of my favorite characters
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