Hawkmoth's Secret Alliance! ⎮A Miraculous Ladybug Season 4 Theory

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
  • Hawkmoth seems to only be getting stronger and closer to accomplishing his goals. But what we are going to discuss, is his secret alliance with another character, not only as Gabriel Agreste, but as Hawkmoth!
    Let us know your thoughts and theories down below!
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  • @laurarami7240
    @laurarami7240 3 ปีที่แล้ว +364

    Guys i found out something, when Adrien and his dad are whatching Emily’s movie it says “Bourgeois Productions” and later it says Graham Films with the simbol of the two rings, simbol that it kinda apears in the New York Special in the new miraculous box without the rings, and in Felix episode they show the rings when Felix steels Gabriel ring.
    So... what if the Bourgeois, Graham and Kagami’s mom’s family (i have no idea what is her family name 😅 sorry) have a deeper conection with the miraculous, like what if all of them have a miraculous pasing for generations that they might or might not know of what it is, just like Alix’s clock

    • @lilymadkins3558
      @lilymadkins3558 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      that's a pretty cool theory

    • @ikmij4627
      @ikmij4627 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      In feast when they revealed the guardians returned it also showed chloes mom so maybe she has also to do something with it but when pollen was revealed to her she didnt know what it was so i dont think so

    • @invincibleblade9602
      @invincibleblade9602 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ikmij4627 tf are you even saying

    • @cartooncottage2024
      @cartooncottage2024 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      You have no idea what Kagami and her mom's last names are when it is said multiple times in this video? Really, dude? Their last name is Tsurugi. Keep up, dude. Lol!
      Anyway, your theory is a good one. They probably do own miraculouses that are family heirlooms just like Alix.

    • @laurarami7240
      @laurarami7240 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@cartooncottage2024 jaja thanks, i couldn’t heart it properly

  • @kylledizon2951
    @kylledizon2951 3 ปีที่แล้ว +176

    Good theory but what if kagami's mother is somewhat like descendent or ancestor who is a miraculous I mean we see a japanese painting depicting a japanese miraculous holder or she herself is a gaurdian that decided to betray the order of the gaurdians I mean thats my theory.

    • @laurarami7240
      @laurarami7240 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yas!!! I just coment that (kinda) ‘cause the Bourgeois and Graham families already had a relationship, followed by something i wrote up in the coments, they migth have another miraculous passing by generations

    • @itsme-pr8pe
      @itsme-pr8pe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      yeah. also there are dragons on the miraculous box when they open it, the dragon eyes lit up. they could have chosen something else like circles or triangles maybe something else that isn't a creature

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's not his theory it's flxrlie's theory he stole itt

    • @laurarami7240
      @laurarami7240 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kagamioritz1000 o: where can i watch it?

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@laurarami7240 th-cam.com/video/O7Tb8qhy38w/w-d-xo.html here

  • @mr.andrewpuppet9491
    @mr.andrewpuppet9491 3 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Out of question:
    It is weird that I could feel if miraculous ladybug will have special take place in Japan,I won't be surprised if heroes in Japan will be a magical girl reference to Pretty cure/precure and sailor moon franchise

    • @chatnoirswaifu4708
      @chatnoirswaifu4708 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Me neither lol, in animaestro there was a sailor moon refrence

    • @bamcoiu210
      @bamcoiu210 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They confirmed that there will be miraculous boxes in different countries so that could be a possibility

  • @humanbeing493
    @humanbeing493 3 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    Wow,I really like this theory and it totally works. I really hope this is what’s really going on

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not his theory it's flxrlie's theory from her channel

    • @Name-zl1hx
      @Name-zl1hx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      sad

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Roslynn P0384 this isn't about that episode we're talking about the New York Movie of Miraculous :/

    • @harpritatwal
      @harpritatwal 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      yea

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@harpritatwal lmao skskskks

  • @alphaumiluz9118
    @alphaumiluz9118 3 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    And Chloe's mother too, she lives in New York and she was watching the news about the miraculous temple.
    She could tell Hawk Moth/Gabriel about the Eagle Miraculous and the possibility there's another miraculous box too, and if she knows about it... Maybe this is why she lived in NY for so long? Because she was trying to find about it for Hawk Moth?
    These two characters and Adrien's parents have a such mysterious past, and they HAD a connection, and a connection with the miraculous
    (and I basically pray everyday for miraculous crew at least make a good plot about all these character...)

    • @Yuuki15812
      @Yuuki15812 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      but chloe's mom got akumatized before... when chloe found out the bee miraculous. and last but not the least ofcourse hawk mauth was the one to akumatize her. plus she was so real at the moment she got akumatized, like how she normally is...RIDICULOUS! :-

    • @alphaumiluz9118
      @alphaumiluz9118 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Yuuki15812 well, yeah, but still very strange she looks so interested in the news, also if she has something with Adrien's mother maybe she knows how to act
      (And isn't like Miraculous has the best sequences, if this came true it's very capable they just ignore that fact)

    • @Yuuki15812
      @Yuuki15812 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@alphaumiluz9118 well..yeah, that could be [ossible cause now when i come to think about it, hawk mauth akumatized himself into a collector once. so he is not too suspicious by ladynoir. but still... there are not many chances of that to happen

    • @alphaumiluz9118
      @alphaumiluz9118 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Yuuki15812 exactly!
      And yeah I know there is not to much chances, but I really like this theorie XD

    • @Yuuki15812
      @Yuuki15812 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@alphaumiluz9118 yeah! chloe's mom is just like chloe, putting her nose in everyoe's work

  • @amyakilo2269
    @amyakilo2269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +308

    I don't think Miraculous can make up its mind whether Gabe's an evil power crazed man or a father who wants his wife back. The fandom can't decide whether to hate or feel sympathy for the dude.
    You can't eat ur cake and have it Miraculous! Is he a good dad or a bad man?! PICK ONE!!😡

    • @aislam-potato
      @aislam-potato 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      This is a very hard question to answer...

    • @Fl0rales
      @Fl0rales 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      No matter what they pick he is still a bad father because he is putting an entire city in jeopardy

    • @aislam-potato
      @aislam-potato 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@Fl0rales Technically, yes

    • @michalelkin-bronner13
      @michalelkin-bronner13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      i pick both

    • @Fl0rales
      @Fl0rales 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@michalelkin-bronner13 and that is exactly why she says the Fandom can't make up their mind

  • @lilymadkins3558
    @lilymadkins3558 3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Maybe Tomoe Tsurugi is a descendant of Tomoe Gozen (a previous miraculous holder) and she is helping Gabriel in return for the Dragon miraculous or she wants the Ladybug and Cat Noir for herself to get rid of her blindness.
    I have a theory that she was a previous holder of the dragon miraculous and at one point she was proven to be unworthy of it therefore Master Fu snatched it from her. We all know that Fu made a mistake while giving a particular miraculous to a person and we know that it wasn't Emile nor Gabriel because, they were the ones who found the moth and the peacock Miraculous (which was mentioned in the episode Feast). Not to mention in the episode heart hunter, when Marinette asked Master Fu the dragon miraculous he hesitated for a moment and then asked Marinette if she was completely sure of it, the only other person Fu hesitated when giving a miraculous is Chloe and it wasnot only because she let herself reveal her secret identity to all of Paris, it but also because she is a morally questionable person. Expect Kagami is nowhere near like that. So what if he hesitated to give the dragon miraculous once again because he doesn't trust the Tsurugis?
    I also have a feeling that Audrey knows that Gabriel is Hawkmoth too and is also somehow linked with miraculous.

    • @everythinggirly916
      @everythinggirly916 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That's a really good theory! But what makes you think Adrien knows about Hawkmoth?

    • @pieceof_piee
      @pieceof_piee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      wow thats an amazing theory you really thought that out

    • @cozholly193
      @cozholly193 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      cool theory i hope that happens!!!

    • @lilymadkins3558
      @lilymadkins3558 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@everythinggirly916 No, not Adrien but Audrey Bourgeois because apparently produced Emilie's flim Soltitude and she seemed pretty close with the Agrestes that according to her she is the one who discovered Gabriel and without her he would still be drawing in his sketchbooks. Also in the end of the episode Feast she was shown to be watching the news, why is a snotty person like her suddenly interested in the miraculous and the guardian's temple ?? Also her reaction to pollen in queen wasp made my suspicions grow.

    • @chatnoirswaifu4708
      @chatnoirswaifu4708 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Good theory! Remeber in gorizilla it said A bourcgherssrhshdbybssuhsgydgy (idk how to spell it) could be one of them

  • @sophiaq1884
    @sophiaq1884 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    hear me out y’all remember when master fu said that he made a mistake giving someone the ladybug miraculous maybe it was kagamis mother

    • @michalelkin-bronner13
      @michalelkin-bronner13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      there are theyos going around that mari mom is a past ladybug so madye there past ladybugs or someone is wrong

  • @cartooncottage2024
    @cartooncottage2024 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Oh my gosh! I didn't realize before that Gabriel was using one of Mrs. Tsurugi's car or she was listening onto the radio when the news was talking about the reappearance of the temple! You have a good point!

  • @jamaicamehappy3118
    @jamaicamehappy3118 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I have a theory:She wants to help hawkmoth get the miraculous so she can get a wish and she is cured or her blindness as you know hawkmoth wants the miraculous to get his wife to live again.

  • @besi6578
    @besi6578 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    what if she has a alliance with hawk moth for the miraculous, but then betrayes him and actually wants the miraculous for herself, to re store her sight, (since she’s blind)

    • @vaishnavi2720
      @vaishnavi2720 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      or something more precious

    • @cassiopeia_real
      @cassiopeia_real 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      im assuming that using a miraculous would restore her eyesight, so the smart move would be to help gabriel since that minimizes risk

  • @emmy7125
    @emmy7125 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The sabre wasnt in a disguise when it was hung up on the wall, as the kwami was inside of it and it had colours, but when gabriel put it on THATS WHEN it turned into a disguise that's how he knew it's a miraculous

  • @Mjwara
    @Mjwara 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    One of the biggest questions in my mind:
    "Who exactly is Adrien's mom?"

    • @brithemimicmonster
      @brithemimicmonster 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Emile Agreste right

    • @Mjwara
      @Mjwara 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I'm talking about who is she in terms of personality.

    • @brithemimicmonster
      @brithemimicmonster 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Mjwara ah I get it.

    • @MessiXRonaldo_VoiceOvers
      @MessiXRonaldo_VoiceOvers 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same like I wanna know. Is she as good as adrien sees her or is she... evil?

  • @JLBflix
    @JLBflix 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    @Smarty Pants, I just had a major revelation!
    Thomas confirmed Chat would perish and Mari would have to wish him back, what if that's Gabriel's end?
    I'll explain: Gabriel finally gets the miraculous to wish Emilie back, but due to the rule about the price of that wish Adrien is lost in her place.
    Emilie is less than impressed (to put that VERY LIGHTLY) and Gabriel realizes how much he messed up.
    Lila could be part of his final plan, and run off with his and the cat miraculous so he can't even make another wish right away.
    Thus you could have a team up with Gabriel helping Ladybug get Chat's ring, and ultimately Marinette wishes Adrien back to life with Gabriel agreeing to take his place.
    That way Gabriel could get a kinda Vader/Anakin final hour redemption moment.
    In the same way Vader died saving Luke and was liberated from the dark side in his final moments, Gabriel could accept giving his own life for his son to make amends for his crimes and mistreatment of him.
    Thoughts?

  • @douglasburck1611
    @douglasburck1611 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    After Hawkmoth defeated The Jade Turtle in season 3 he got the code key for the manual Hawkmoth had the whole time. Hawkmoth has the complete list of all miraculases and should be able to spot a lost one by now.

    • @michalelkin-bronner13
      @michalelkin-bronner13 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      he spoted a miracoulous from another cotery the miracoulous is the eagle

  • @itsme-pr8pe
    @itsme-pr8pe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    i also suspect chloe's father. chloe is evil and her mother is rude but the dad is kind. how does a mean person marry someone who is kind??? maybe that's mr. bourgeois' cover-up but I don't think he'll become the next hawk moth maybe he knows something and is working with gabriel/hawk moth. lila becoming the next hawk moth is very likely. I'm pretty sure adrien's mother is evil but you're right about kagami's mother working with gabriel. felix and his mother I'm not sure about mom but felix becoming hawk moth is likely to happen or be working with them. also I still don't understand why he tried to steal the ring like does he know something. i know he stolen it for his mother but why did he wanted it so bad. also here's another theory I know in the felix episode they mentioned that his father died but what if he's alive. 🤔

    • @abbysworld05
      @abbysworld05 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Yea cuz even though nobody in the show has talked rudely about Emile dosent mean she was a good person, for example when someone is gone or missing you don’t hear much negative talk about them and she was also an actress

    • @mdplayer1636
      @mdplayer1636 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Felix being the next hawk moth would just be confusing since he was supposed to be the first cat noir.

    • @BucyKalman
      @BucyKalman 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe Felix will be the future Hawkmoth.

    • @abbysworld05
      @abbysworld05 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I remember something that Chloe said in season 1 which is when she said that she’s gonna win the election by doing what her father does to win elections which is by ruining your opinets reputation so and that is basically saying that the mayor isn’t as kind as we think but he can just hide it better then Audrey and Chloe

    • @mysterysunfurled
      @mysterysunfurled 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@abbysworld05 yeah I feel there could be a chance Emilie wasn't that good of a person, the only people we've heard talking about her are his family (well, and Nathalie, but she's only said she feels sad for Emilie), so of course we only hear good things. Both Adrien and Gabriel have her idealised and on a pedestal. I fully believe she was a loving mother, but she could still be a bad person on the inside, I also wonder why she never did anything about Gabriel's bad parenting style, cuz she never opposed to Adrien not being allowed to go out and stuff like that.

  • @shalinifrankline1420
    @shalinifrankline1420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    She definitely has a lot of importance for being such a minor character...but we gotta still keep digging

    • @jamaicamehappy3118
      @jamaicamehappy3118 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      SHE DOES,She wants to help hawkmoth so her blindness can be cured

    • @ArtisticAlly123
      @ArtisticAlly123 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jamaicamehappy3118 THATS SO SMART

  • @veekshasudhir2122
    @veekshasudhir2122 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    2:13 YES!
    In this same exact episode and part, they show Chloe's mom looking at the news too. You can also see that in the episode Vanisher-where sabrina gets akumatized first, Chloe gives her a broach similar to the one that Adrien's mom is wearing everytime we see her in the casket (not the peacock miraculous). Chloe and Adrien also claim to have known each other since they were little and also through their parents. This means that Audrey Bourgeois has something to do with Hawkmoth and the miraculous.
    Not only this but the symbol on the ring that Kagami wears is very similar to the one one Marianne's pin, you can see this in the episode Backwarder. This also further proves the claim that Kagami has deep roots to the miraculous. The three families have a connection together with the miraculous somehow. Anyway this is only what I noticed. Hope you like it!

  • @Pizzapikachu-qm4zq
    @Pizzapikachu-qm4zq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Will you ever do a video on the other miraclous box at the end of New York United heroez?

  • @summerbird7570
    @summerbird7570 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Tsurugis own a tech company, they make cars and stuff . In Mega Leech the logo is next to Gabriel's , as they are the ones that made the oxygen towers . So she probably made all of the tech in the basement keeping Emile alive , so yeah she probably knows but I think that's how she's connected .

  • @pixelbit3920
    @pixelbit3920 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Mans got future sight lmao!

  • @sahdianabizada915
    @sahdianabizada915 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    she probably wants the(ladybug)ear-rings and the(cat noir)ring to(make a wish)bring her eye sight back

    • @michalelkin-bronner13
      @michalelkin-bronner13 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i think see does not want that i know theres magic to make people not renize faces but ther voices kagmis mom should know kagmi mom should pratice learing voices because most blind people are realy good with voices but kagmis mom did not i know this part is unrealted but still

  • @raphdraws
    @raphdraws 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ok so let’s clear up some things
    1) Tsurugu cars are a thing all over miraculous, it’s a little joke for “Suzuki” which is a Japanese car brand.
    2) the miraculous was not in camouflage mode, Liiri was in there
    3) the miraculous were recognised by Nathalie, who helped Gabriel find the butterfly and peacock miraculous in the first place

  • @bethanyluck5780
    @bethanyluck5780 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Have you ever noticed in Sole Crusher, when Andre opens his secret compartment, you can see Emily on the cover of something, and behind it someone that looks identical to Kagami, most likely Kagamis mom. They're connected somehow

    • @tilkilit
      @tilkilit ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In the episode Gorizilla it was shown that Emilie played in a movie directed by "A. Burgeois". I always thought it was Audrey but in sole crusher it was revealed to be Andre. So the cover of "something" is that movie, it's titled "Soltitude" i think which might be foreshadowing to something else

  • @Xesparaz
    @Xesparaz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Can you discuss about the reason that Adrien's mom had to use the butterfly miraculous in the first place. And if hawk moth does wake her up then what would happen?

    • @michalelkin-bronner13
      @michalelkin-bronner13 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      she used it to fight crimanls oblisy

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not his theory he stole it from a yt named flxrlie :/

  • @corinamariepadinyape798
    @corinamariepadinyape798 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    sabine also the most misterious Character i Hope you can make a Theory about her and i bet she feel that her daughter is Ladybug, i hope You can make theory about it.. please give this a Thumbs Up💕😍 i hope you notice this

  • @Dandelions479
    @Dandelions479 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think he knows about the disguised miraculous because of the former guardian's tablet that he got a hold of at the end of season three, the same one he used to fix the peacock.

  • @blazejknap8401
    @blazejknap8401 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think her motivation is to get a wish herself to regain her youth and sight

  • @zdragonwarrior2196
    @zdragonwarrior2196 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just a theory but the ring on kagami's finger could it be a lost miraculous that she never knew about that's disguised. Like bunnix's miraculous the girl that got it for her birthday. It was a disguised miraculous so kagami's ring could be one too...

  • @GZxuanChannel-nx9vi
    @GZxuanChannel-nx9vi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    AWESOME Theory!!!

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah it's awesome obviously bc it's not his it's from the channel flxrlie

  • @UltimateSqueakyToy
    @UltimateSqueakyToy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Bro you called this! Well done!

  • @lutfakhanam2434
    @lutfakhanam2434 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Listen I have a theory about hawkmoth and mayura: Either Nathalie just wants her friend Emelie back (very unlikely) or as she says in the show that she’s doing it for Gabriel. Gabriel seems to play her a lot and he is getting flirtier by the episode. So hear me out, what if he is playing Nathalie into his plan of him being in love with her, then breaks her heart and makes her the mega akuma victim. Hawkmoth would most likely erase her memory of hawk moth being Gabriel so that she obeys him. This is soooooooo not gonna happen but one can dream right? :) Anyways I do think it would be interesting to see the flashback of them getting the miraculous for the “Gabriel Agreste” episode. I also have another theory (this one doesn’t make ANY sense what so ever but I’m gonna say it anyways). See how emelie was the former miraculous holder? Since Nathalie was her and Gabriel’s friend at the time, what if Nathalie was jealous as emelie getting the miraculous. Now by this time Gabriel and emelie probably would have been in a relationship already, so it is reasonable for emelie to get it. Or maybe emelie chose it because we did learn that she raged quite a bit and was demanding (confirmed by Gabriel). Maybe Nathalie was jealous of emelies miraculous role and she was in love with Gabriel. Could Nathalie have damaged the peacock miraculous? There is a possibility that Nathalie knows a lot more than we think she does so she could’ve purposely damaged it because she knew it would cause serious damage to emelie. After emelies death/coma thing, she was finally happy that she could assist Gabriel and now that she is able to see him everyday she is happy and woul do anything for him. Or if there was a plot twist and in the end of the show Nathalie betrays Gabriel and uses the ultimate power for herself because she doesn’t want him and his wife to get together again. No ahte to Nathalie I love her especially when she’s mayura. She gives such queen energy. I would literally pay to watch mayura betray hawkmoth. Anyways thanks for reading my HUGE message. :)

  • @imfromanotherdimension3937
    @imfromanotherdimension3937 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    İ didnt realize before but youre right thats totally make sense

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not his theory!!!! Oml it's flxrlie's theory from her channel!!

    • @imfromanotherdimension3937
      @imfromanotherdimension3937 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kagamioritz1000 okey dude calm down

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@imfromanotherdimension3937 lmao 👽👽

  • @blanc.and.noir.
    @blanc.and.noir. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Never thought of this!

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not his theory it's flxrlie's theory

  • @godzilla657
    @godzilla657 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can already the meme with the guy with a board with red strings.

  • @tulip135
    @tulip135 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just wanna point out that Audrey (chloe’s mom) is seen interested in the reveal of the guardians’ temple

  • @oliviamarie3852
    @oliviamarie3852 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is going along with what everyone is saying but you know how they said about the special stick thing master fu used to control feast and how in the monster fu episode his cane as a way to find the box maybe the stick that kagamis mom uses has one of those locator things
    Idk if anyone has said this but I had thought of this while scrolling through comments

  • @kagamioritz1000
    @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    AYO THIS ISN'T HIS THEORY 👽 ITS FLXRLIE'S THEORY LMAO-

  • @samuelbell623
    @samuelbell623 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Hawk moth needs to realize that he has wife material at his side (Natelie)

    • @chloeodonohue9778
      @chloeodonohue9778 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      omg yesh XD i thought of it of them being togther hopefully they do :)

  • @abbysworld05
    @abbysworld05 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    If he knows that the eagle miraculous in its hidden form then shouldn’t he know Adrien is cat noir since they live in the same house

    • @orphicurania3295
      @orphicurania3295 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It’s the eagle miraculous not the owl one

    • @lilymadkins3558
      @lilymadkins3558 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Well, he did suspect Adrien was Cat Noir

    • @abbysworld05
      @abbysworld05 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@lilymadkins3558 yea that’s probably why, I’m glad Gabriel is dumb

    • @cameliavakili3468
      @cameliavakili3468 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@abbysworld05 i have 0 idea why they call him smart.he makes completely perfect plans but ruins them himself with the most childish or dumb idea.for example in lady wifi he proably knew if you take the miraculous off the custome and the mask would dissapear.this way alya/lady wifi couldve made her wish happen and hawkmoth would have 1 out of the 2 miraculouses and also the most powerful of them all

    • @michalelkin-bronner13
      @michalelkin-bronner13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      well madye it does not show the cat miracoulous in its hidden form in the spell book and its the miracoulous of the eagle not the owl

  • @kevwe_O
    @kevwe_O 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Love it its an amazing theory 😆

  • @elliereynolds3625
    @elliereynolds3625 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kagami’s mom maybe trained Adrien’s bodyguard. Because on the vid when he was going to eat a cookie, straight away Kagami’s mom was there and it seemed like she said “put that cookie down it’s not healthy” or something like that so maybe that???🍪🍪❌❌🥗🥗🍏🍎🍐🍊🍋🍌🍉🍇🍓🍈🍒🍑🥭🍍🥥🥝🍅🍆🥑🥦🥬🥒🌶🌽🥕🆗🆗✅✅

  • @kyna6090
    @kyna6090 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this would be such a good plot omg

  • @jennifercuchilla8800
    @jennifercuchilla8800 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is my speculation of Kagamis Mom:
    1) in the episode in which she signs a contract with Gabriel Agreste, if you translate the contract it says that someone is to be defeated or something like that. That this someone shouldn’t have the power they have. I couldn’t translate the whole thing but the beginning says something like that
    2) I noticed that when Kagamis mom was Akumatized we didn’t see or hear what Hawkmoth said to her. We usually hear his cliches to his akumatized victims but with her only Marinette heard there interaction.
    3) you brought up a good point that made me think of something else about why Kagamis family came to Paris. Something Master Fu said about having chosen the wrong people for Ladybug and Cat noir once but never again in the origin episode I believe. I think it was Kagamis mom who held the Ladybug Miraculous in which Master fu was talking about. They probably came back because Lagybug and Cat Noir showed up in Paris
    These are just my ideas, but I don’t know man... let me know if this makes sense

    • @jennifercuchilla8800
      @jennifercuchilla8800 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      In point three, what I meant was that Kagami and her Mom came to Paris because Ladybug and Cat Noir showed up Paris which is why she was listening to the news about the miraculous guardians reappearing

  • @wintersoldier164
    @wintersoldier164 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    question: Why doesn't he just give someone the power to heal people, or bring back the dead? and then he would tell that person to save his wife?

    • @shapeshiftingastralprojection
      @shapeshiftingastralprojection 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm Pretty Sure That He Is So Stupid To Not Make His Wife Immortal........................................

    • @shapeshiftingastralprojection
      @shapeshiftingastralprojection 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And Let's Just Say That Ressurecting People Involves Turning People Into Zombies.....

    • @wintersoldier164
      @wintersoldier164 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shapeshiftingastralprojection so he can give the power to give people that would not bring them as zombies

  • @_dynamolad.editzx_
    @_dynamolad.editzx_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Who noticed Hawkmoth transformed in the car at 1:16 so yea then who was driving it was either his assistant or idk cause no one else knows his identity dayum it can be kagamis but that am not sure of lol

  • @charlynvila9330
    @charlynvila9330 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can we just talk about Emilie Agreste for a moment? She looks like an angel and a good mom but what if she isn't? When Mrs. Agreste died a year ago before Adrien went to school, why Gabriel just agreed him to go to school when he should when he was just in kindergarten? Get it? Gabriel agreed when Mrs. Agreste died a year after. Do you guys think that Mrs. Agreste was the reason Adrien is locked in his own house? And Gabriel is just following his wife because you know, mom knows better.

  • @anastasija1309
    @anastasija1309 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s either the lack of episodes and sleep that is driving us insane creating these theories or the fact that we are actually onto something here

  • @aliciabush1848
    @aliciabush1848 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    One thing I do have to say is, when you state that there is no way for him to know about the eagle miraculous- remember he still does have whole copy of a book about them and even tho he hasn’t been able the decipher it I’m pretty sure he figured out that the shape were pretty similar

  • @cyrusstreamer2115
    @cyrusstreamer2115 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Theory: Natalie and Gabriel are finished fixing the broken peacock miraculous, and Gabriel tells Natalie to take care of the miraculous while he has business to take care of (business as in Gabriel goes downstairs to look over his unconscious wife downstairs) as Gabriel is downstairs, Natalie is staring at the fixed peacock miraculous alongside the butterfly’s miraculous which Gabriel left behind for Natalie to take care of. After a minute of thinking Natalie takes the miraculous and goes outside to go in the sewer to fuse the fixed peacock miraculous and the butterfly miraculous. But as soon Natalie fuses the miraculous she hears somebody in the sewer so goes to back to the mansion in which she tells Gabriel that she accidentally lost the 2 miraculous ( but she actually she hides them for a secret plan). When Natalie tells Gabriel that she lost the miraculous, she tells him it was a misunderstanding and gives back the butterfly miraculous back to hawkmoth and Natalie says that she has a plan.
    Next day: Miss bustier dies and Marinette is very sad and cries. And hawkmoth says that he feels very powerful negative emotions, then marinette gets akumatized. And takes off her miraculous which Gabriel knows is marinette.

  • @margarita7682
    @margarita7682 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    bro I had a theory that I made after the ikari gozen ep kagami and her mother knows about the miraculous because long never told Kagami the power nor the transphomation words,the sword fighting,red colour scheme,warrior she mentioned,relation ship with gabrial,lisening about the temple and thanks for adding the car that oddly looks like Sigrigozen's,I am glad I found someone with a similar ideaI hope you see this and comment what you think ,sorry for my bad English.

  • @The_Ibsy
    @The_Ibsy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what if kagami's mother's wish is just to get her sight back or get sight (we don't know if she was born blind or not), its something so simple that not many people think or even speculate about.

  • @phacey4444
    @phacey4444 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Well they really did make an alliance didn't they

  • @bluet423
    @bluet423 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think her mom is making her stay close to Adrian and she is Supposed to protect him or something

  • @btsrosaline3559
    @btsrosaline3559 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Secret villain someone that we least expect could it be kagami's mom

  • @pablocascandeojeda2733
    @pablocascandeojeda2733 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The title aged well

  • @dragoness3322
    @dragoness3322 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the New York Special, it shows Natalie recognizing the Eagle Miraculous from the Grimore, actually.

  • @ashleydortch2445
    @ashleydortch2445 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good theory. I think she faking being blind or she wants to steal the earrings and ring in order to get her sight back. Also can you do a video on marinette's mom. I think she was the previous ladybug

    • @lilymadkins3558
      @lilymadkins3558 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thomas released a photo with all of previous holders of the ladybug miraculous and Sabine wasn't in it.

    • @everythinggirly916
      @everythinggirly916 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hm, I don't think she could fake blindness in front of her daughter

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not his theory y'all it's flxrlie's theory

  • @zkunique6810
    @zkunique6810 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best theory I have heard in a long time, and I am a huge theorist for Miraculous.

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ITS NOT HIS!!! It's from the channel flxrlie that uploaded this 3 weeks ago 3 WEEKS

    • @zkunique6810
      @zkunique6810 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kagamioritz1000 Why are you getting mad at me? I didn't know this. I understand your trying to let me know so that I don't give him credit if he really does not disserve it, but you should write such an angry comment to me. Just calmly let me know. 😐

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zkunique6810 I'm not getting mad lmao 👽👽👽

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zkunique6810 I was in all caps lol 👽💅

  • @meaganthemarionette4899
    @meaganthemarionette4899 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Guys...Natalie was looking through the translated version of the Grimoire and was like "Yo Gabriel that necklace is a lost miraculous for SURE" THAT'S how he knew, Natalie was helping him

  • @Alkiewine
    @Alkiewine 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    AND IT WAS NATHAILE THAT FOUND THE PEACOCK AND THE BUTTERFLY MIRACULOUS

  • @jakev188
    @jakev188 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I AMM LLLLAAAAATTTEEEE

    • @cameliavakili3468
      @cameliavakili3468 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      it doesnt matter if youre late.the thing that matters is that youre here

    • @jakev188
      @jakev188 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cameliavakili3468 :) thanks

  • @wintercactus7013
    @wintercactus7013 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maybe she works with both cars and in interested in special jewelry as a job/hobby

  • @pranavvelpula12
    @pranavvelpula12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:16 This sentence gave me Vsauce vibes ngl

  • @lilybearytrose2326
    @lilybearytrose2326 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hawkmoth might be trying to hind up what's going on with Kagami's mother by making her one of the victims and it makes sense why Hawkmoth didn't tell Kagami to stay a way from Adrien like what he did to Marinette in Cat Blanc. And ya maybe the dragon miraculous runs in the family like a family member even trained in the gradians temple.

  • @Alexdluffy2451
    @Alexdluffy2451 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m not sure this counts as info but I was rewatching the series and made it up to Stormy weather 2 while everyone thinks it’s a bad episode there is an interesting line said by Gabriel that I don’t think anyone has mentioned Gabriel said “To the attention of Mrs. Tsurugi, Things may not be going exactly the way we planned but change can be a good thing. I'm confident it’ll only strengthen our agreement in the end” what is this agreement. Then during animestro they were signing some sort of forms. It could just be business stuff with the agrest fashion brand. But the fact that they are showing up a lot and that we’re getting a Japan special. A lot of stuff is starting to add up to possible something more.

  • @michalelkin-bronner13
    @michalelkin-bronner13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the akuma does not give her eyesight back she figths with the cane

  • @abrahamt4946
    @abrahamt4946 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    yayy new upload! love your videos!

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not his theory it's flxrlie's theory

    • @abrahamt4946
      @abrahamt4946 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kagamioritz1000 oh wowza

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@abrahamt4946 ye

  • @GiftX9000
    @GiftX9000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you make a theory about what the price to pay is if Gabriel Agreste makes the wish to bring Emilie back?
    1.Nathalie - Maybe if he does the wish,nathalie will go in a coma instead of Emilie?
    2.Adrien - Maybe to bring someone in the family back,someone else leaves?
    3.Idk give me ideas pls
    To support the outcome in 1
    In robustus,master fu says that if markov wanted to be a human, someone else will lose his humanity and probably be a robot(Aka Max).

  • @cameliavakili3468
    @cameliavakili3468 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i think i remember kagami saying that they came all the way here to join that fencing group in france at the episode riposte when she was ashamed of her fail but i can be completely wrong

  • @whenthemoonsets
    @whenthemoonsets 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think hawk moth would fuse the peacock and butterfly miraculous,and then give powers to catalyst,and we'll have another heroes day scenario but every gillian has a sentimonster,and maybe since the other miraculous owners(Lyla,minor,etc) would get scared cuz of the feather and get akumatized/amokatuzed forcing lady bug to find new miraculous owners cuz the old ones r akumatized and their identities are revealed

  • @btsrosaline3559
    @btsrosaline3559 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If ladybug and Cat Noir use the miraculous in which the curse of the Guardian away will keep her memories at the end of the series

  • @lindyprasono7786
    @lindyprasono7786 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Early but not first 👍👍

  • @johnballard3403
    @johnballard3403 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another tinfoil hat theory, she might be from a rival faction to the original guardians. That way they could write it so that Hawkmoth and her are using each other to accomplish their own objectives.

  • @Alkiewine
    @Alkiewine 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Didn’t nathaile help Gabriel to find the miraculous so then Nathalie is the one that knew about the miraculous like she said in the nyc Special

  • @juliabalmus118
    @juliabalmus118 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok you content is really good but I think you should add a little music in the back to spice things up 😋. And say who the music is by in the description below

    • @juliabalmus118
      @juliabalmus118 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      But you don’t have to if you don’t want to LOL

  • @mtutorialsforminecraft0460
    @mtutorialsforminecraft0460 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If kagami gets with Adrian there relationship will be sad

  • @samzagod6606
    @samzagod6606 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    kagamis mum is blind i never noticed??!

  • @kerrygligorovic9758
    @kerrygligorovic9758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Gabriel Agreste/ Hawkmoth has three secret allies Natelie, Lila and Chloe, but maybe later in season 4 Felix will join him.

    • @mysterysunfurled
      @mysterysunfurled 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      the difference though is that Lila and Chloe have no idea of his identity, Nathalie's allied with Gabriel fully knowing he's HM, Chloe only allied with HM, Lila has an alliance with both Gabriel and HM but doesn't know they're the same

    • @kerrygligorovic9758
      @kerrygligorovic9758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mysterysunfurled True but I bet later in the series Lila will learn of Gabriel Agreste secret identity will be willing more to help him take down ladybug 🐞.

  • @Mayflower1129a
    @Mayflower1129a 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If Kagami’s mom wore a miraculous before, when miracle queen stings all the civilians of Paris, it is possible that kagami’s mom got stung and when miracle queen called for mirous wearers, she was not one of people who went to city hall, where miracle queen was.

  • @N3omatic
    @N3omatic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think it is comfirmed but I think season 4 might have a lot of marichat and more like chat blank mood episodes

  • @botawesomely2472
    @botawesomely2472 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Where do u guys watch miraculous ladybug season 3 cause I checked every place I know of even Netflix

    • @hannahsaskia
      @hannahsaskia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Disney +

    • @dvreaux
      @dvreaux 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wait u don't have it???cause itz on mine

    • @itsme-pr8pe
      @itsme-pr8pe 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      try m4uhd.com/ and type in the search engine insert "ladybug" but watch it on a laptop and use Adblocker so you won't get those spam ads/etc. i wouldn't watch it on the phone cause idk how to use ad blocker on the phone

    • @mariangantchev6187
      @mariangantchev6187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      use a vpn for netflix

    • @StarLightsAfterDark
      @StarLightsAfterDark 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its on Disney now and disney+

  • @debsfan2007
    @debsfan2007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was thinking about something. Why did the Dragon Miraculous in the Shanghai movie have the name Longg also... Or was i hearing things?

  • @Marvelor002
    @Marvelor002 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thomas Astruc said on Twitter that Gabriel was driving a Tsurugi branded car.

  • @tjayx9284
    @tjayx9284 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hi first 100 congrats

  • @santananicholiali3928
    @santananicholiali3928 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My question is does plagg know that gabriel is hawkmoth? ?? Considering he found the book next to the peacock miraculous I'm sure he knows something

  • @rethaudinjasmil2017
    @rethaudinjasmil2017 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The reason why adrian dad and kagami mom is very close because kagami mom might come form a super duper rich family the end.

  • @bijayashrestha6538
    @bijayashrestha6538 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think she let her and her daughter to get akumatized so, she could help Hawkmoth to get the Miraculous if she helped directly then her secret could be exposed that she is helping hawkmoth

  • @emilias8618
    @emilias8618 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Says watertight and immediately shows clip of water.... I see what you did there lol

  • @jordanblankjordanblank4603
    @jordanblankjordanblank4603 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gabriel, we the his knowledge of miraculous and akumas, regularly puts his son's life in danger, so I wouldn't be surprised if Kagami's mom does the same thing.

  • @minxykat7188
    @minxykat7188 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Remember...she couldn't see the akuma

  • @CosmicTKonTop
    @CosmicTKonTop 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who is only finding out now that Kagami’s mom is blind.

  • @aislam-potato
    @aislam-potato 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow!!!!!!!!! Amazing Vid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @marichatismynameandladynoi1990
    @marichatismynameandladynoi1990 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think she may be hawkmoth boss and will play a bigger role in s4 (I hope) she seems intermediating enough and fits the criteria of strict rules parent archetype.

  • @sentinelsamurai
    @sentinelsamurai 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    my question: even if Gabriel get the miraculouses, what will he do afterward? The maraculauses cannot heal people?

  • @elliesrobloxaccountxd2742
    @elliesrobloxaccountxd2742 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you know the day that they are gonna release it for next year?

  • @shommerandshone
    @shommerandshone 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It also has to do with kagami is a bluenette too

  • @gxbigxbi_
    @gxbigxbi_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Remember timebreaker, the watch her (alix) father, he said it was family's ancestor thingy's watch. And in timetagger, it turned out to be a miraculous. What if alix's great grandfather or older gen was the mage who made these miraculouses. If u already know the theory, its okay. I wasnt subscribed and am a new viewer

  • @PMF553
    @PMF553 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a good theory I never thought of

    • @kagamioritz1000
      @kagamioritz1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not even his it's flxrlie's theory

  • @bugged.out111
    @bugged.out111 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    But that's just a theory...
    A GAME THEORY😎