Russ always keeps it real.... like, really _diagonal._ I was chillin with a few homies and one homie says: _"Russ plays like he thinks he's Rambo",_ other homie says: _"more like Rambo crossed with Steve-O."_
Refreshing to see someone actually watching and examining things instead of getting caught up in the hype. People just be following stats, memes and fanboy sports analysts. Thank you Skap!
exactly, following stats is somewhat idiotic. every team has core 5, core 5 has some basic minimum stat. keep talking stat and getting hyped are some silly fan base
@@skap_attack A total of 449 playoff series had at some point a status of 2-0. Of them, 416 (92.7%)went on to win the series. So 33 have not. Of those 33, Choke Paul has been involved in 6 of the 33 (18.18%). So almost 1 out of every 5 series that a team blew a 2-0 lead had Choke Paul.
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@@kenw2225its a bit annoying how this guy just shits on Chris Paul for lack of team sucses, he even mentioned that Chris didnt choke or underperformed. Its a team game you cant win if your team dont allow you to. He might not be the best ever but you cant just undermine his ability just because his team as a hole didnt play well and he didnt get championships. Its like shiting on Lebron for losing to Golden state warriors 3 times even tho he played well in the games.
@@skap_attack a little disrespectful to Nash tbh. He's a much better pure pg than cp3. But one thing for sure ill never say that ball hog westbrook is better than cp3. I remember that okc vs jazz series where he outright refused to pass too Melo. Westbrick ended up taking 40 shots in 2 straight games where Melo only got 7 and 12. And then he did the same damn thing to Melo on the Lakers.
glad you gave Cousy his due. it's easier to follow a blueprint than it is to **be** the blueprint, and he was the blueprint that every PG since has followed. always give respect to the pioneers.
The ways humans evolve is to build off of what our ancestors built. We end up feeling so entitled and superior and take for granted all the effort and advances they afforded us.
Absolutely! The greats in EVERY era copy the greats in the eras that came before them. Until this petulant crop of modern era players came along, the new would ALWAYS pay homage to the old. But kids these days have no respect for their elders smh...
The point "God" will always be Magic Johnson in my book. I know that the modern crowd will say that it's Steph which to me is ridiculous. If you want to call Steph the best shooter ever that is just fine but the best point guard? Is he a better passer than Magic? A better playmaker? A better rebounder? A better defender? There are a lot of facets to playing PG beyond shooting.
While Steph is CLOSER to the top of the all time point guard list than Chris Paul, he still isn't in the same stratosphere as Magic. Magic will likely ALWAYS be the EASY GOAT PG.
@@skap_attack Disagree. If Steph wins another finals, we will have to have a serious debate. Even as it stands right now, even though I also take Magic over Steph, I understand why somebody would take Steph over Magic. They’re such different players, and comparing them is tricky. Steph is never playing as a center, but Magic isn’t averaging 30 ppg. What I’m saying is, roles have evolved over time. If you’re looking for a pure PG, I would take prime Isiah Thomas over Magic (since Magic wasn’t a “pure PG”).
Magic rarely defended the other teams point guard and his defense was average. In order to be a point guard, shouldn’t you have to guard the other point guard more often than not?
John Stockton is the purest point guard of all time. Could you imagine him playing in todays league 😳 His only fault was he didn’t try and score more so just picture him shooting more three’s 😳😳
In today's era, Stockton could EASILY have been a 20 point per game scorer. Stockton is so underrated. I understand he did not win a title, just like Nash didn't, Westbrook hasn't and neither has Paul. All things considered, Stockton in my book EASILY clears Paul.
@@skap_attack easily clear. Is it more impressive to win elevate go to different systems rather than solely one. U sound like douchebag who's devaluing CP3
Interesting how fans admire you the first 10 years of your career. You are their favorite PG. An All-star starter and seen as a legend by many. Kids loved him everywhere. His final 10 years, he has been labeled a villain. He is still very efficient. The longer he plays, the more fans will dislike him. It was same watching John Stockton play in ‘02-‘03. Fans were sick & tired of watching his and Malone’s dirty plays/flopping.
I dunno, I have never liked Paul, going back to his Hornets days. I think the people that loved him then still do, but they just have less to stand on in his defense. Easy to see a kid come in, put up numbers and pencil him in for a successful career and a chip or two when its not a reality. As it becomes more clear that its not gonna happen, one crowd becomes vindicated and the other just shut up. Usually... Saw it in reverse with MJ and LeBron because they were annointed so high that they could never prove they were worthy that early. Their detractors became less as their success grew. Though LeBron has a different, and well earned, sect of detractors now, he did mitigate it partially.
Read an article back in 2018 about how CP3's career was such a perplexing enigma in how he hits certain metrics that put him in an exclusive club with all-time players, yet he had (at the time) never even sniffed a Finals series. He's vastly benefited every team he's been on. Took the lottery-bound Thunder to the playoffs. Blake Griffin, Deandre Jordan probably owe him half their career earnings. Had the GSW super team on the ropes in the 2018 WCF. Is still playing at a high level at age 38 at a position that's VERY unkind to old little guys. He clearly has the drive, intelligence and skills of a champion. It just shows how hard it is to win in the league; so many things have to go right, and a lot of it is out of the hands of any player.
I agree with almost everything you said, but I think it shows more of how hard it is to move the needle as a small player. I don't think CP3 as ever truly had a "Great" team that could survive without him, that and injuries I think hurt him the most.
Undeniably overrated when you really think about the players he's allegedly above. I mean, Russell Westbrook has been relegated to a punchline. He has been to the same number of finals as Paul and won the same numbers of rings LOL. YET, Russ is substantially more accomplished otherwise.
@@skap_attack A total of 449 playoff series had at some point a status of 2-0. Of them, 416 (92.7%)went on to win the series. So 33 have not. Of those 33, Choke Paul has been involved in 6 of the 33 (18.18%). So almost 1 out of every 5 series that a team blew a 2-0 lead had Choke Paul.
@@thepubknight6144 Kidd is DEFINITELY underrated. Has a similar resume to Paul (if not better) from an individual standpoint and he went to three finals.
@@TeddyKGB12 OH MY GOD. That is an INCREDIBLE stat. Holy shit. I’m screen shotting that for future usage. Many thanks for dropping that and shame on me for not knowing it.
Chris Paul has a complex legacy. He's only reached a finals once and only made past the 2nd round twice, was not liked by maybe a lot of his former teammates and has been on 6 teams in his career, leaving at least 3 of those teams on not so great to pretty bad terms. but to my eye, and as someone who values the "pure" point guard position more then any other position in basketball, I believe he is the 5th or 6th greatest point guard in NBA history (Magic, Steph, Thomas, Oscar, Kidd, Stockton...Paul?) EVERYWHERE Chris Paul has been, they have won and been a playoff contender at the very least. He was the biggest reason for the Clippers becoming perennial 50+ regular season winners and was a bad hamstring away from very possibly winning a ring with James Harden. Not to mention he might have had his greatest season with the highly overachieving OKC Thunder under his leadership. No I don't think he ever could have been the best player on a title winning team but he IS one of the greatest point guards ever and an unquestioned HOF.
Lolol. He ain’t top 5. He just like his boy Lebron. Overhyped. He puts up individual stats that don’t translate to team success, again like Lebron. He should have joined his buddy on his superteams if he wanted a ring. They still would be cheap rings but he would have some but still be overrated.
Another great video. I believe Steve Nash should get much more credit than he deserves and had he not been playing in what is arguably the toughest conference of all time, I think he would have a couple rings. Glad to see you show Stockton love here. People try to downplay his stats as cumulative having played 20 years but that's why he is so far ahead of everyone because he had such a high peak for so long. Remember 40 years old Stockton was still around 10 ast pg. That's crazy. With no Malone at that. His jazz beat superteams of Barkley Olajuwon and Drexler and a shaq Kobe team with 4 all stars in back to back seasons to get to the finals.
You are 100% accurate about Stockton. AND, Kidd played TWENTY ONE seasons lol, Paul is in season 19 and LeBron is in his 20th year. Yet Stockton has dwarfed them in assists and steals. It's because he played at such an elite level for late into his career, AND he didn't take games off and load manage while he was doing it. He played every game of the season 17 times. That is insane.
Nash was a way better PG in the playoffs than Paul, playing in that infamous deadly western conference. Nash played in and won many series against All-Time great nba teams, like SWEEPING the Spurs 4-0 ! Paul got out of the first round far fewer times than Nash too. He should have arguably won a 3rd mvp too, but the politics of a 3rd like bird/magic mvp was in play. Nash ran a better more efficient offense too. Paul is a great PG, but he is still behind Nash, until he wins it all imo.
@@vee1766 Because he's been getting ripped ever since he was that dude in Oklahoma Even saying he stat padded which is impossible especially when it comes to rebounding
@@thepubknight6144yeah thats why Steven Adams had low rebound % while playing next to Westbrook and they magically skyrocketed when he didn't play with Westbrook. I love Westbrook but he is also the worst three point shooter on high volume in nba history (even below Antoine Walker) and he has the highest turnovers/game in history. This gives you some idea of his decision making. He is a warrior though
I wouldn't go this far, but I did like hearing that (I believe it was) the Mavericks wanted to make Kyrie's ETO options based on the teams success. Like yeah. Win a championship, and you can opt in for another year at a value that you don't deserve anymore. I'm fine with that. But I am not paying old man Kyrie 72M without some goodwill.
There are a few "superstars" in today's game who are only superstars because of how the nba changed its play. There a some players from the 90s who if you put them in today's game they become "superstars" and potential league MVPs
Gary Payton deserved a mention,along with Tim Hardaway. Glad you mentioned Stockton and Kidd,i have them in my top 5 along with Magic,Isiah and Curry,but those 2 are my favorite.
For sure, Glove best PG defender ever, I modeled my game after Hardaway, but they just didn't get the resume the others did. Curry is NOT a PG. He said so himself just last season.
I don't have specific "hate" for Chris Paul. Just like I don't with Steph Curry. My problem with them is that when you start stacking all of the other great players up, they're simply being overrated. It's happening with virtually every player in this modern era.
But is Steph overrated? Honestly, I think he is properly ranked. I believe he is the best player of this era of basketball and overall I believe he is like the 11 or 12 best player ever, I think that is reasonable. Not only that but people actually want to watch Steph play, he is a fun player to watch. On the other hand I 100% believe Lebron is incredibly overrated. He is not someone you want to watch play compared to like Curry or KD. The only reason people want to watch him is most likely cause of his status in the league. You can see his propaganda from light years away, he couldn't dominate when he stacked everything in his favor (2011, 2013, 2014, 2015) and etc. @@skap_attack
@@skap_attack i am not trying to be negative but it takes team work and hard work like kobe and it s not all about that one player that did not win a ring it s about team effort defense and trusting your team to bring you to glory
This is slander, cp3 in damn near 20 years has averaged 47% from the field, 36.8 from 3, 9.4 assist with only 2.4 turnovers while getting 2 steals a game effectively evening out his pass turnover ratio. I forgot to mention 87% free throw percentage all while being only 6 ft tall. What he did to the spurs in 2015 was fucking epic but hampered him in the next series against Houston. He may not be the most accomplished but his heart and overall efficiency is hard to match. He doesn’t miss many shot and he isn’t a turnover machine. If Westbrook had that kind of finesse I’d argue he would’ve been the absolute goat
He has elevated every team he has been on. Look at the Hornets, Clippers, Rockets, OKC, & Suns. They were much better after CP3 got there, and they were worst after he left. Say what you want about CP3, but he elevates his team.
Thank you for showing respect to the old guys🙏. I grew up watching Patrick Ewing and John Stockton. Athletes that earned your respect when they hit the floor each game.
My absolute pleasure! Ultimately I grew up in that era as well. BUT, even tho I watched those players from the 80s and 90s in my youth and really grew up watching the early 2000s, I ALWAYS enjoyed and respected the great eras that came before my time. Its a quality that is lacking in todays fans by and large...
@@leo_wentzelyeh he lead a bad team to better expectations. No ones doubting he’s a good point guard but people putting him even near “goat PG” conversations are legitimately delusional
-- My favorite players: Bird, Hakeem, and Stockton. My GOAT list? MJ > Kareem > Lebron. Top PG? Magic w/ honorable mention to Steph whose really a SG/PG Greatest PGs never to win in the last 30 years? Stockton and CP3.
No he's the voice to rally low IQ mouth breathers together. 9 all NBA defense selections. Every single team he's ever been on has won more games than they ever had in franchise history. It takes a complete team to win a ring, no one player has ever done it on their own. MJ couldn't even make it out of the first round until Pippen got good. Kobe, LeBron and Curry all missed the playoffs entirely when they weren't on stacked teams. Learn then you may speak.
As a point guard standing 6 feet tall, you NEED scorers around you to make your point guarding skills the most effective.. all of prime CP3 best teammates, outside of Harden, were pick & roll lob catchers..
Every single team he's ever been on has won more games than they ever had in franchise history. It takes a complete team to win a ring, no 1 player has ever done it on their own. MJ couldn't even make it out of the first round until Pippen got good. Kobe, LeBron and Curry all missed the playoffs entirely when they weren't on stacked teams. Learn then you may speak.
Terrible analysis and over hate ima tell you the real problem with why Chris’s paul injury, bad decisions on few opportunities and overall just bad luck. He really has Defied a lot of odds. He shouldn’t be as good of a defender he is undersized but was still a legendary player and let’s be real he got drafted by a team where most top picks careers would of died at. All this while being injury prone. And Jason Kidd verball said he is better then him and im taking his word for it plus if you watched Chris is better
HE choked it? you mean right after eliminating the Spurs in game 7 on a bad hamstring? was his leg supposed to miraculously heal in a few days? Are you brain damaged? CP has some of the best playoff performance numbers of all time. It was his teammates who let him down. 6 ft tall. 9 All NBA Defense selections. 6th all time in total VORP (reg season and playoffs). Literally the lb for lb GOAT and its not even close.
Definitely Magic at number 1. Hard for me to pin down my other top pgs, but I really like you including Isaiah in there. I hated the pistons but if you adjust for game pace and competition his stats and career become even more special. Guy would have averaged an easy 25 to 27 with his quickness in today's game
@@TeddyKGB12 he also made that "help" work together well. Let me put it this way, replace magic with any pg, would those Lakers teams have the same success? Then replace any hall of fame pg, would those teams have more success?
You call Chris Paul a playoff choker with only his statistics to back up his placement in the GOAT debate and then bring up John Stockton who couldn’t shoot with his left hand alr man
I don't get why people bring up 2-0 like it's some kind of achievement. 2-0 normally means that you won your first 2 games at home. How often do teams not win both of their first 2 home games? blown 3-0 leads would be a bigger indictment.
@@strmshadow8411 A total of 449 playoff series had at some point a status of 2-0. Of them, 416 (92.7%)went on to win the series. So 33 have not. Of those 33, Choke Paul has been involved in 6 of the 33 (18.18%). So almost 1 out of every 5 series that a team blew a 2-0 lead had Choke Paul.
@@TeddyKGB12 So nothing of note as I said. You didn't take anything other than those losses into account and nothing to contextualize them to push your agenda. He's has a 76-73 win/loss record, that in itself tells more about team strength than anything else. While you're at it, can you point out a series that he was the main cause that they loss? Not 1 game an entire series.
Such a good list of poing guard names you mentioned there above CP3! My list is pretty much the same, the order of names probably different in a few spots around 5-10 spot range. Although there is one name I did not see or hear mentioned I probably would also put above CP3. How about Gary Payton? He probably is the best defensive pg of all time during his prime and could still put up 24/9/6 averages offensive during his prime. DPOY winner and a champion aswell. Sure CP3's 'prime' has been a bit longer but The Glove still won more and made more finals aswell. I would rank Payton higher than CP3.
100% I agree with you. An obvious omission on my part. The GLOVE goes above CP3 as well in my book. And I would really have to think about the specific order of this list. The only player that I would say I did in definitive order was the top spot, Magic (of course).
@@skap_attack Magic is number one and will be a long time, maybe 'forever'. Then I have three names to place 2-4 but even for me it's difficult to say which one to put over another: Big O, Zeke and West. Yes, I consider Jerry West as a pg here even though he played both guard positions during his career. From 5 onwards it becomes even more difficult to rank one over another as some people around those ranks won more individually and some won more with their teams. Names like Stockton, Curry, Frazier, Kidd, Cousy and Payton come to mind. There we already have 10 names who definitively are ahead of CP3 no matter how we look at it. After that we can start to talk about Nash for example. CP3's regular season numbers, and longevity stats, are rather nice, impressive even, but I would still say he is barely top 15 at best.
CP has some of the best playoff performance numbers of all time. It was his teammates who let him down. 6 ft tall. 9 All NBA Defense selections. 6th all time in total VORP (reg season and playoffs). Literally the lb for lb GOAT and its not even close.
Idk why Lakers fans think this man was gonna be a difference in 2011 😂 still wasn't beating OKC. Chris Paul an Kobe would've bumped heads an Paul would've left immediately.
I am working on a video on the greatest teams of all time currently. Mainly as a way to debunk this notion that the KD warriors were the "greatest team ever assembled".
Chris Paul is barely 6 foot, and has elevated every time he’s been on. But he’s constantly been surrounded by frauds. David West, Blake Griffin, James Harden, Devin Booker. He’s always been a Number 2 surrounded by 3s or 2s at best. Imagine if we saw him at his prime with a KOBE, LBJ, Kawhi, Giannis, Jokic.
Westbrook should not go above CP3 because while every team you add CP3 to gets better, most teams that added Russ got worse. I say that as someone who likes Russ and dislikes CP3. Russ' whole argument would be his crazy individual numbers which have never translated to team success
They both won the same number of titles. Chris Paul has played in TWO conference finals, EVER. He has been out of the second round TWICE in 18 years. We aren't playing the team success game when comparing these two. Therefore, I must defer to to stats. And Russ DESTROYS CP3 in that arena.
@@skap_attack No he doesnt. 6 ft tall. 9 All NBA Defense selections. 6th all time in total VORP (reg season and playoffs). Literally the lb for lb GOAT and its not even close.
Great Video!! I wish you were on Sports Shows like First Take or Undisputed because you would destroy most of those talking heads because you actually use FACTS!!!
@michaelyoon9355 the peak was. There was a time before DRose, the best pg were arguably cp3 or DWill. And DWill has a case because he was playing vs Kobe year after year
Nah stop that, his peak was on the Hornets who sucked. He was arguably the best player in the league when Kobe won his MVP. Prime MJ would not have won with that team.
Peak Paul was basically equal to Nash on offense while actually playing defense, D rose was a unidimensional player and heavily relied on his athleticism, d will ???
Lmao silly, he gave stockton and westbrook passes but criticize paul for not winning. And anyone playing before the 80s wouldnt make it in todays league
Very interesting and well fleshed out take, Skap! It’s refreshing to see these videos and hear the same rhetoric I’ve always said. Chris Paul is like a Bentley that was purchased from a police auction. On the surface, it looks good. Hell, it may even drive good. But underneath that hood, something is missing, making the car unreliable. That’s what CP3’s career seems like to me. For all the stats and high regular season winning percentage, come play off time, that next gear is absent. Much like a component in the aforementioned Bentley. Whether it’s inefficient play, or a well timed and convenient injury, he’s always falling short in the playoffs. And this may be an unpopular take, but he was in the same draft as Deron Williams. While Williams didn’t have the longevity that Paul had, at their peaks, I’d say Williams was the better PG.
I cannot disagree with really any of this. GREAT analogy with the car as well. And I think if push came to shove, I would also concur with the fact Deron Williams had a higher peak.
@@skap_attack I’ll go on the record and add that Williams had more of an offensive bag to go with his assists, making him a true dual threat with or without the ball.
I agree but the deron Williams take is wild tho, peak Paul was way more versatile, efficient and impactful player imo, deron was nice but let’s not forget he was in a way better situation in Utah, he had a legendary coach and two of the best modern big men in the league while Paul had to carry a struggling New Orleans franchise
9 all NBA defense selections. Every single team he's ever been on has won more games than they ever had in franchise history. It takes a complete team to win a ring, no one player has ever done it on their own. MJ couldn't even make it out of the first round until Pippen got good. Kobe, LeBron and Curry all missed the playoffs entirely when they weren't on stacked teams. Learn then you may speak.
@@skap_attacklol Deron Williams at no point in his career was ever even close to CP. He worse at literally every single aspect of the game. You fraud.
Stephen A Smith knows nothing about sports. It's wild. He's the black Colin Cowherd. We accept his nonsense a bit when discussing other sports, because he's supposed to know basketball. But he proves over and over again he knows nothing about basketball. It's an odd coincidence that the same people who try to elevate Chris Paul into being something he isn't are routinely the same ones who try to trash Larry Bird, John Stockton, and Nikola Jokić.... Playground rules...line them all up against the wall and who are picking. Absolutely NO ONE is picking CPdud. He likely isn't even in the top ten Point Guards being picked..
Every single team he's ever been on has won more games than they ever had in franchise history. It takes a complete team to win a ring, no 1 player has ever done it on their own. MJ couldn't even make it out of the first round until Pippen got good. Kobe, LeBron and Curry all missed the playoffs entirely when they weren't on stacked teams. Learn then you may speak.
As a die hard Chris Paul fan I can’t deny this evidence cause it’s all very true but then when I think about every point guard that’s better than Chris and I think about the the consistent superstar teammates that they’ve also had to back them up
Dude smh are you serious with this video??! Smh what a joke. Chris Paul is easily one of the best PGs ever. He made EVERY single team better. Every team. 😒
I would love to see a video on Russell Westbrook. He’s one of those players it’s hard to gauge just how good he is. Is he great and just hasn’t been on good enough teams in his era or is he good with great stats but not as great as his stats would suggest? I think this is something skap attack could find out.
Definitely think it's odd how CP3 hasn't had much playoff success but using box score stats and wins and losses without adding any context is a weak argument. "Nerd stats" are flawed but they're better than completely ignoring the context of how CP3 plays.
He has elevated every team he has been on. Look at the Hornets, Clippers, Rockets, OKC, & Suns. They were much better after CP3 got there, and they were worst after he left. Say what you want about CP3, but he elevates his team.
@@DarkLordMisa He had his chance with Phoenix and Houston. Especially in 2018. If he didn't get hurt in game 5, they would have beaten the Warriors in the conference finals and won it all that year.
@@TheRealGreekFreak34 it's possible, but we can't dwell in hypotheticals. I agree the injuries screwed his chances but even the times he wasn't injured he still came up short. He's a great player don't get me wrong but it's what Skap was saying he's very overrated
@@DarkLordMisa We can't say he's overrated though. He's done what he did. He's still made a big impact. He just never got over the hump of winning a championship. Are we going to say players like Iverson, Barkley, Vince Carter and others were all overrated just because they never won a ring? Of course not. Overrated is someone like Zion Williamson. Kid was supposed to be the next big phenom and dominate the league but he's been pretending to be injured while throwing down 360 windmills and just getting fat and fu*king Moriah Mills. Or Ben Simmons. THAT'S what overrated is.
Russ is not CLOSE to CP3! Triple double for what? Not even a 50 win team, and a first round exit to a rookie? Cp3 ain’t need a bunch of useless triple doubles to get the OKC without PG or Melo to the playoffs. He’s hella efficient, an amazing defensive player, a godly playmaker, and makes every team he was on better.
Chris Paul is no question top 5 point all time. If you waste your time debating otherwise you prolly have just started watching basketball yesterday. I never knew this many people knew so little about basketball lmao
Fantastic analysis and accurate reading of the overrated players in this era. The only issue I have is not classifying Steph as a point guard. He definitely is - he is just a scoring one. No one else on that team would come close to classifying as a point other than him, who has the ball and initiates most of the offense even though he does give the ball up and get it back a ton. In my view, these discussions always start and end with titles won as your team's best player, FMVPs won, MVPs won, DPOYs won. Magic (5, 3, 3, 0), Steph (2, 1, 2, 0- KD best player on 2 titles teams), Isiah (2, 1, 0, 0), Stockton (2 appearances in finals as team's best player, statistically more dominant than Kidd), Kidd (2 appearances in finals as team's best player), in that order.
I agree with this, he's not a "traditional" point guard, but he definitely is a point guard. Sure, he's a combo guard type, but the offense still runs through him and he still operates from the top of the key, which are textbook point guard traits. You don't need to average 10+ assists to be a PG. Isiah Thomas and Magic Johnson had their best seasons when they started playing off the ball more. Hell, even CP3 started having more success playing off the ball. Ball dominant reliance on your PG for assist's is a system that has proven time and time again to fail in the playoffs.
@@dannyllerenatv8635that's not how basketball works. It never has. The only thing that has ever mattered is total team talent from top to bottom, depth, offensive efficiency and defense. 9 all NBA defense selections. Every single team he's ever been on has won more games than they ever had in franchise history. It takes a complete team to win a ring, no one player has ever done it on their own. MJ couldn't even make it out of the first round until Pippen got good. Kobe, LeBron and Curry all missed the playoffs entirely when they weren't on stacked teams. Learn then you may speak.
Cliff Paul, Chris Fraud, Point Fraud, Cockpuncher, Stephen Curry’s oldest son. You can come up with so many nicknames you can associate with this damn joke. Lol
Only 3 small guards in NBA history have led their teams to a title, Isiah Thomas, Steph, and Jerry West, so its not quite fair to criticize him for not being able to carry a team all the way to a title. Every team he has played for was better because he was there and got worse when he left. No mention of all of Blake Griffin's injuries in the playoffs, or that he helped the Rockets go up 3-2 on the Warriors with KD and then his hamstring gave out. Lot of bad injury luck around him. For me he belongs behind Isiah and ahead of John Stockton, Steve Nash, J Kidd, and Payton. The Jazz choked almost every series in the playoffs in the 90s until expansion took out all of the contenders and CP3 didn't have another top 25-30 all time player his whole career to farm assists with. And then you try to say Westbrook is better.......they were traded for each other btw, worst trade Morey has ever made. Houston got worse and OKC stayed the same despite also losing Paul George and attempting to tank. If we are talking pure PGs Magic, Oscar, Isiah, CP3 and I am happy to throw West and Steph above him too. But he is the best of all the small guards who failed to lead a team to the title. Even Oscar had to team up with Kareem to win a title.
What adds to this, that I think a lot of people miss, is that when your teams best player is a pure point guard, it's easier to lock them up and basically shut the team down. Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Gary Payton, Pistol Pete, Jason Kidd during his Nets tenure. Arguably Stockton as well, though you could argue he just had the misfortune of running into MJ twice in a row.
Exactly, Phoenix and GS have been the only team where CP3 hasn't been the best player on the team. That's not a championship recipe unless they are an anomaly like Steph.
I think this is always true when the team's best _shooter_ is also the point guard. Not so often when the PG is the best (offensive, anyway) player due to the success of Magic, Zeke and Cousy.
@@strmshadow8411 he was the system and no matter how detrimental to the team you think he was, the fact is that he was not only the best player on the rockets at the time but best in the league. I love CP3 but it's just wrong to ignore his Houston years in this topic
CP has some of the best playoff performance numbers of all time. It was his teammates who let him down. 6 ft tall. 9 All NBA Defense selections. 6th all time in total VORP (reg season and playoffs). Literally the lb for lb GOAT and its not even close.
I've thought that for a long time as well. To play just a little devil's advocate for CP3 one little factoid about him literally nobody talks about is that he's one of only 3 players from the 2008 Redeem Team to never play with another member of that team in the NBA, the other 2 Tayshaun Prince and Michael Redd who were on their last legs by then. Definitely ended up being the odd man out of the nuclear arms race that was the super team era. But honestly, the last 6-7 years he has had some great talent, he's just too short to play defense in the playoffs lol. Plus like, there were rarely points over the span of his career where he was considered the best even among his peers. Maybe in 2007 & 2008 when he was reaching his peak and Nash and Kidd were declining he was but after that there were a couple years where the consensus that Deron Williams was the best (let that sink in), then a couple years where D-Rose was until...ya know. I guess for a couple years it was CP3 again by default but then Curry came into his own and the rest is history. Hell, make a definitive case he's higher than Kyrie all time.
I think Paul is an all time great. I just do not think he is in the upper echelon of those all time greats. In my opinion, (as you mentioned them) both Kidd and Nash actually had fairly significantly higher peak than Chris Paul. And those two generally are never discussed within the conversation of the top 5 all time PGs. Yet, here is CP3 LOL. The reason I included the backend of this video was to accentuate that point. Ultimately, there are a finite amount of positions when we are talking about top 5 or top 10, and there are A LOT of great players who have come along in this sport.
@@skap_attack Absolutely, the only reason I think he gets mentioned in the top 5 is because a lot of pundits today are in love with longevity because of LeBron, but I've always thought that was kind of asinine since sports medicine and training are only gonna improve so that's something that's always going to get better every generation. I will say with Kidd and Nash in particular you could argue Paul to be a more complete player than they. Much as I hate to admit it since he's my favorite player all time, Kidd at his peak was a bad shooter with bad shot selection and Nash couldn't play a lick of defense. Paul doesn't have any gaping hole like that. But as far as the resume goes it is lighter for Paul than either of them.
The CP3 Disrespect MUST STOP. 1st of all, CP3 wasted his Prime like 7-8 Years Playing for nothing with the Hornets. 2nd CP3 is like 5’9” and has played damn near 20 Seasons and made Multiple AllStars!! 3rd if CP3 played with a Player like Mailman or Kareem or SHAQ or even Embiid he could have had the Same Success as other All-Time Great PGs.
Each of your videos highlights that people tend to be unaware of history. They rely on what's in front of them rather than what's happened before. Today's analysis is not taken seriously when discussing basketball or football because they dismiss history. It's challenging to take someone seriously when they rank Chris Paul above other players. ESPN, Fox Sports, and other outlets attempt to revise history so, for example, LeBron fans proclaim him the greatest. They ignore past performances against Boston or Dallas and the excuses. Essentially, you remind us of the importance of knowing history, especially today.
VERY well said! Great comment, and I of course agree with every word here. It's nice to know there are still some reasonable people out there. Thank you for tuning in.
Typical Skap skewing the narrative and leaving out CP3's most CLUTCH moments like hitting a huge 3 to cut the lead to 42
You got me!
No way!! He did that?!?!
😆 🤣
"Is this the dagger!?"
CP3 clutch defense held opponent bench warmers to 0 pts and help cut the lead to 42
That "what?" From Russ cracks me up everytime
Obviously one of my all time favorites.
Russ always keeps it real.... like, really _diagonal._
I was chillin with a few homies and one homie says: _"Russ plays like he thinks he's Rambo",_
other homie says: _"more like Rambo crossed with Steve-O."_
The “banana boat buddy” line… Venomous. 😂
how so? seemed like _straight_ facts to me 🙃
they're buddies, check... _riding_ together, check.... on a 🍌-boat lol
@@shaft9000 😭
Why was Lebron sitting like that?!? 😂😂😂
Refreshing to see someone actually watching and examining things instead of getting caught up in the hype. People just be following stats, memes and fanboy sports analysts. Thank you Skap!
Thank you! And many thanks for tuning in. I appreciate you 🙏
@@skap_attack You’re welcome 💯
Just like the Lebum stans who think Lefraud is some sort of god. 😂
exactly, following stats is somewhat idiotic. every team has core 5, core 5 has some basic minimum stat. keep talking stat and getting hyped are some silly fan base
@@dannyhernandez265god of chokes😂
Skap is the professor I wish I had in college.
LOL 🙏
professor of rantology..
You're not wrong. His methodology here is great for learning how to do proper research papers...
3pm -4:20pm M-W-F I never skip the Skap!
@@skap_attack A total of 449 playoff series had at some point a status of 2-0. Of them, 416 (92.7%)went on to win the series. So 33 have not. Of those 33, Choke Paul has been involved in 6 of the 33 (18.18%). So almost 1 out of every 5 series that a team blew a 2-0 lead had Choke Paul.
Good to finally have a commentator that doesn’t feed into the emotional narratives that media gives to superstars
I started making videos because I was absolutely disgusted and fed up with the fake narratives and outright lies floating around the entire mainstream. THANK YOU for tuning in 🙏
Paul is a solid player. Not a winner . Not a champion. Still a possible hall of famer though. Not the best. Top 20 pg ever at worst
@@skap_attack You keep it 💯
@@kenw2225its a bit annoying how this guy just shits on Chris Paul for lack of team sucses, he even mentioned that Chris didnt choke or underperformed.
Its a team game you cant win if your team dont allow you to.
He might not be the best ever but you cant just undermine his ability just because his team as a hole didnt play well and he didnt get championships.
Its like shiting on Lebron for losing to Golden state warriors 3 times even tho he played well in the games.
@@skap_attack a little disrespectful to Nash tbh. He's a much better pure pg than cp3. But one thing for sure ill never say that ball hog westbrook is better than cp3. I remember that okc vs jazz series where he outright refused to pass too Melo. Westbrick ended up taking 40 shots in 2 straight games where Melo only got 7 and 12. And then he did the same damn thing to Melo on the Lakers.
glad you gave Cousy his due. it's easier to follow a blueprint than it is to **be** the blueprint, and he was the blueprint that every PG since has followed. always give respect to the pioneers.
The ways humans evolve is to build off of what our ancestors built. We end up feeling so entitled and superior and take for granted all the effort and advances they afforded us.
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Him and Pistol Pete are the blueprint of what a goat point should be
Absolutely! The greats in EVERY era copy the greats in the eras that came before them. Until this petulant crop of modern era players came along, the new would ALWAYS pay homage to the old. But kids these days have no respect for their elders smh...
no one will made set shots like Bob Cousy ever again
@@skap_attackthey were all students of the game.
This new generation doesn’t study anything but “branding” and business.
The point "God" will always be Magic Johnson in my book. I know that the modern crowd will say that it's Steph which to me is ridiculous. If you want to call Steph the best shooter ever that is just fine but the best point guard? Is he a better passer than Magic? A better playmaker? A better rebounder? A better defender? There are a lot of facets to playing PG beyond shooting.
While Steph is CLOSER to the top of the all time point guard list than Chris Paul, he still isn't in the same stratosphere as Magic. Magic will likely ALWAYS be the EASY GOAT PG.
@@skap_attack Disagree. If Steph wins another finals, we will have to have a serious debate. Even as it stands right now, even though I also take Magic over Steph, I understand why somebody would take Steph over Magic. They’re such different players, and comparing them is tricky. Steph is never playing as a center, but Magic isn’t averaging 30 ppg. What I’m saying is, roles have evolved over time. If you’re looking for a pure PG, I would take prime Isiah Thomas over Magic (since Magic wasn’t a “pure PG”).
Magic rarely defended the other teams point guard and his defense was average.
In order to be a point guard, shouldn’t you have to guard the other point guard more often than not?
Players of this generation are light years ahead of Magic’s generation. Magic would be a below average point guard in todays game
@@Tom_Ciccone that right there is why we keep having to hear those idiotic arguments, NO THEY ARE NOT
If Chris Paul is a point god, Isiah Thomas is a Titan, and Magic Johnson is basically Chronus.
But the Gods beat the Titans...
@@jaketerpening3284 It's the way of things, bruh. They got old. Gods got beaten by men. Now tech fqn men, so on and so forth.
Stockton is Zeuss
John Stockton is the purest point guard of all time. Could you imagine him playing in todays league 😳
His only fault was he didn’t try and score more so just picture him shooting more three’s 😳😳
Imagine isiah Thomas in todays era
Both would be monsters
would be warming the bench with his ass
In today's era, Stockton could EASILY have been a 20 point per game scorer. Stockton is so underrated. I understand he did not win a title, just like Nash didn't, Westbrook hasn't and neither has Paul. All things considered, Stockton in my book EASILY clears Paul.
@@skap_attack easily clear. Is it more impressive to win elevate go to different systems rather than solely one. U sound like douchebag who's devaluing CP3
Interesting how fans admire you the first 10 years of your career. You are their favorite PG. An All-star starter and seen as a legend by many. Kids loved him everywhere.
His final 10 years, he has been labeled a villain. He is still very efficient. The longer he plays, the more fans will dislike him. It was same watching John Stockton play in ‘02-‘03. Fans were sick & tired of watching his and Malone’s dirty plays/flopping.
I dunno, I have never liked Paul, going back to his Hornets days. I think the people that loved him then still do, but they just have less to stand on in his defense. Easy to see a kid come in, put up numbers and pencil him in for a successful career and a chip or two when its not a reality. As it becomes more clear that its not gonna happen, one crowd becomes vindicated and the other just shut up. Usually...
Saw it in reverse with MJ and LeBron because they were annointed so high that they could never prove they were worthy that early. Their detractors became less as their success grew. Though LeBron has a different, and well earned, sect of detractors now, he did mitigate it partially.
Read an article back in 2018 about how CP3's career was such a perplexing enigma in how he hits certain metrics that put him in an exclusive club with all-time players, yet he had (at the time) never even sniffed a Finals series. He's vastly benefited every team he's been on. Took the lottery-bound Thunder to the playoffs. Blake Griffin, Deandre Jordan probably owe him half their career earnings. Had the GSW super team on the ropes in the 2018 WCF. Is still playing at a high level at age 38 at a position that's VERY unkind to old little guys. He clearly has the drive, intelligence and skills of a champion. It just shows how hard it is to win in the league; so many things have to go right, and a lot of it is out of the hands of any player.
I agree with almost everything you said, but I think it shows more of how hard it is to move the needle as a small player. I don't think CP3 as ever truly had a "Great" team that could survive without him, that and injuries I think hurt him the most.
Point Fraud makes loads of sense for this guy
Undeniably overrated when you really think about the players he's allegedly above. I mean, Russell Westbrook has been relegated to a punchline. He has been to the same number of finals as Paul and won the same numbers of rings LOL. YET, Russ is substantially more accomplished otherwise.
@@skap_attack A total of 449 playoff series had at some point a status of 2-0. Of them, 416 (92.7%)went on to win the series. So 33 have not. Of those 33, Choke Paul has been involved in 6 of the 33 (18.18%). So almost 1 out of every 5 series that a team blew a 2-0 lead had Choke Paul.
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Glad to see Jason Kidd love very underrated player
9:45 9:47 Walt Frazier's handles was sick 🔥
@@thepubknight6144 Kidd is DEFINITELY underrated. Has a similar resume to Paul (if not better) from an individual standpoint and he went to three finals.
@@TeddyKGB12 OH MY GOD. That is an INCREDIBLE stat. Holy shit. I’m screen shotting that for future usage. Many thanks for dropping that and shame on me for not knowing it.
Chris Paul has a complex legacy. He's only reached a finals once and only made past the 2nd round twice, was not liked by maybe a lot of his former teammates and has been on 6 teams in his career, leaving at least 3 of those teams on not so great to pretty bad terms. but to my eye, and as someone who values the "pure" point guard position more then any other position in basketball, I believe he is the 5th or 6th greatest point guard in NBA history (Magic, Steph, Thomas, Oscar, Kidd, Stockton...Paul?) EVERYWHERE Chris Paul has been, they have won and been a playoff contender at the very least. He was the biggest reason for the Clippers becoming perennial 50+ regular season winners and was a bad hamstring away from very possibly winning a ring with James Harden. Not to mention he might have had his greatest season with the highly overachieving OKC Thunder under his leadership. No I don't think he ever could have been the best player on a title winning team but he IS one of the greatest point guards ever and an unquestioned HOF.
Nah
Hell nah! AI is better than him admit it
@@ucky-uh5ifsg
Stockton Nash and Kidd are in your top 5???
Lolol. He ain’t top 5. He just like his boy Lebron. Overhyped. He puts up individual stats that don’t translate to team success, again like Lebron. He should have joined his buddy on his superteams if he wanted a ring. They still would be cheap rings but he would have some but still be overrated.
Would love to see Skap on ESPN. They would never allow it 😂😂 Especially when he speak on their precious Lebron.
I always said he's the 2nd coming of Skip Bayless. Almost Jason Whitlockesque
@@andrewcook1246Don't give Whitlock that compliment, lol
Skap would make Smith look bad like Max did; but worse. Skap wouldn't hold back. Skap would make JJ look unintelligent and foolish.
@@marcodraven9778 😂😂 I totally agree. LeClutch would be coming for him too 🤣
@@HBIC917 😂😂😂🤣
Another great video. I believe Steve Nash should get much more credit than he deserves and had he not been playing in what is arguably the toughest conference of all time, I think he would have a couple rings.
Glad to see you show Stockton love here. People try to downplay his stats as cumulative having played 20 years but that's why he is so far ahead of everyone because he had such a high peak for so long. Remember 40 years old Stockton was still around 10 ast pg. That's crazy. With no Malone at that.
His jazz beat superteams of Barkley Olajuwon and Drexler and a shaq Kobe team with 4 all stars in back to back seasons to get to the finals.
Stockton was stealing from the best ball handlers from his era leading in steals and assists most of his career
You are 100% accurate about Stockton. AND, Kidd played TWENTY ONE seasons lol, Paul is in season 19 and LeBron is in his 20th year. Yet Stockton has dwarfed them in assists and steals. It's because he played at such an elite level for late into his career, AND he didn't take games off and load manage while he was doing it. He played every game of the season 17 times. That is insane.
Nash was a way better PG in the playoffs than Paul, playing in that infamous deadly western conference. Nash played in and won many series against All-Time great nba teams, like SWEEPING the Spurs 4-0 ! Paul got out of the first round far fewer times than Nash too. He should have arguably won a 3rd mvp too, but the politics of a 3rd like bird/magic mvp was in play. Nash ran a better more efficient offense too. Paul is a great PG, but he is still behind Nash, until he wins it all imo.
@@Matt-zp1jn Those WCF during Nash's peak were more competitive than the grand finals themselves.
Barkley and Drexler were past their primes.
Not only does SKAP state his case, he gives receipts, facts and st8 breakdowns that cannot be denied. A true scholar of the sport. 💯
I appreciate you! 🙏❤
In what kind of reality a guy who made a video about how "Wesbtrook is underrated" is a "true scholar of the sport"...? You can't be serious.
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Because he's been getting ripped ever since he was that dude in Oklahoma
Even saying he stat padded which is impossible especially when it comes to rebounding
@@thepubknight6144yeah thats why Steven Adams had low rebound % while playing next to Westbrook and they magically skyrocketed when he didn't play with Westbrook. I love Westbrook but he is also the worst three point shooter on high volume in nba history (even below Antoine Walker) and he has the highest turnovers/game in history. This gives you some idea of his decision making. He is a warrior though
@@maartenvzI’m hella young but I didn’t know Antoine walker was a bad shooter
Chris Paul is the prime example of why losing in the post season should come with a $50+ million fine for "super stars" lol
LOL I like that. A choke tax!
Or a clause that punishes high payed players by a percentage each year lol
Typical draconian mentality from oppressors advocate
I wouldn't go this far, but I did like hearing that (I believe it was) the Mavericks wanted to make Kyrie's ETO options based on the teams success. Like yeah. Win a championship, and you can opt in for another year at a value that you don't deserve anymore. I'm fine with that. But I am not paying old man Kyrie 72M without some goodwill.
He can't keep getting away w this
There are a few "superstars" in today's game who are only superstars because of how the nba changed its play. There a some players from the 90s who if you put them in today's game they become "superstars" and potential league MVPs
Completely agree with this...
Nick Van Exel is a name I think of every time. He would absolutely KILL in this era.
@@Ezekial2517Facts and Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis
Kemp, Richmond, Mullen, Abdul-Rouf, Petrović and many more
@@shaft9000
Loved Mitch Richmond
Paul is a surefire HOFer. He's easily one of the best of his generation.
Gary Payton deserved a mention,along with Tim Hardaway. Glad you mentioned Stockton and Kidd,i have them in my top 5 along with Magic,Isiah and Curry,but those 2 are my favorite.
Yeah especially considering Paytons defence was probably better than anyone else on these lists, definitely a good mention
@@abrahamwiebe stockton and thomas were good at defense, so was kidd, but yeah ever as good as gary payton
For sure, Glove best PG defender ever, I modeled my game after Hardaway, but they just didn't get the resume the others did. Curry is NOT a PG. He said so himself just last season.
Curry over Oscar, Earl the Pearl, Kevin Johnson, and Payton?
@@heirrose1606Payton wasn't a better defender than Dennis Johnson tho but he was awesome
"Nerd media" is the worst thing to ever happen to sports.
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maker of video IS nerd media.
I’m intrigued with this one. I like Chris Paul but the lack of success is more than just injuries.
I don't have specific "hate" for Chris Paul. Just like I don't with Steph Curry. My problem with them is that when you start stacking all of the other great players up, they're simply being overrated. It's happening with virtually every player in this modern era.
@@skap_attack but skap why are making this video you said you don t hate chris paul but you said in your video he has not win a ring yet
But is Steph overrated? Honestly, I think he is properly ranked. I believe he is the best player of this era of basketball and overall I believe he is like the 11 or 12 best player ever, I think that is reasonable. Not only that but people actually want to watch Steph play, he is a fun player to watch. On the other hand I 100% believe Lebron is incredibly overrated. He is not someone you want to watch play compared to like Curry or KD. The only reason people want to watch him is most likely cause of his status in the league. You can see his propaganda from light years away, he couldn't dominate when he stacked everything in his favor (2011, 2013, 2014, 2015) and etc. @@skap_attack
@@skap_attack i am not trying to be negative but it takes team work and hard work like kobe and it s not all about that one player that did not win a ring it s about team effort defense and trusting your team to bring you to glory
@@martinofrancois2749 because not all criticism is hate so he can make a critical video without hating the man
This is slander, cp3 in damn near 20 years has averaged 47% from the field, 36.8 from 3, 9.4 assist with only 2.4 turnovers while getting 2 steals a game effectively evening out his pass turnover ratio. I forgot to mention 87% free throw percentage all while being only 6 ft tall. What he did to the spurs in 2015 was fucking epic but hampered him in the next series against Houston. He may not be the most accomplished but his heart and overall efficiency is hard to match. He doesn’t miss many shot and he isn’t a turnover machine. If Westbrook had that kind of finesse I’d argue he would’ve been the absolute goat
Ye this video is just a hate video with 0 ball knowledge
Show up in the playoffs or shut up 😂
@@82_derek44CP has some of the best playoff numbers of all time
Chris Paul is the definition of empty stats
Lebron is
@@TrumpetMonkeyyhating azz go kick rocks crooklyn drama queen
The Emperor of Empty Stats is Shareef Abdur-Rahim. 18.5 ppg, 7.5 rpg and 2.5 apg for his career and a *single* playoff series.
6 ft tall. 9 All NBA Defense selections. 6th all time in total VORP (reg season and playoffs). Literally the lb for lb GOAT and its not even close.
He has elevated every team he has been on. Look at the Hornets, Clippers, Rockets, OKC, & Suns. They were much better after CP3 got there, and they were worst after he left. Say what you want about CP3, but he elevates his team.
When the media talks about Chris Paul they talk as if he’s magic johnson. Maybe win a ring first
EXACTLY right.
I'm neither a Chris Paul admirer nor a hater, however if you consider him a "BARELY top 10" all-time point guard, then you can't call him a fraud.
Chris Paul was the reason the hornets survived in New Orleans. Js
This is a circle jerk hate page. Don't expect good arguments or points in Skap Bayless' videos.
Fair. And we can call him an all time great and a hall of famer. Just don't call him the best point guard ever or anywhere near it.
Calling bron a bad playoff closer like its easy to be in the finals is crazy.
This man is stuck in 2011 for the most part
Thank you for showing respect to the old guys🙏. I grew up watching Patrick Ewing and John Stockton. Athletes that earned your respect when they hit the floor each game.
My absolute pleasure! Ultimately I grew up in that era as well. BUT, even tho I watched those players from the 80s and 90s in my youth and really grew up watching the early 2000s, I ALWAYS enjoyed and respected the great eras that came before my time. Its a quality that is lacking in todays fans by and large...
I'm guessing you never watched Paul's stint on the Thunder?
@@leo_wentzelyeh he lead a bad team to better expectations. No ones doubting he’s a good point guard but people putting him even near “goat PG” conversations are legitimately delusional
@@Romanus- THIS 👆🏻
@@leo_wentzel Paul undeniably “makes teams better”. No doubt. BUT does he make them champions? You don’t have to answer that. We already know.
chris paul is a top 6 pg of all time...he might not have a title but he made the clippers revelant!
No NBA players were harmed during the making of this video lol
Lmao, imagine thinking Westbrick is even in the same universe as CP3, let alone better. You know nothing about basketball dude.
Skap is such a clown bro
I think Chris Paul will be remembered for his basketball commercials.
6th all time in VORP. Literally the lb for lb GOAT and its not even close.
This just sound like player hating
Bingo
It’s a little weird to compare 70s;80s;90s with 2000s
John Stockton!! My favorite “pure” PG ever. He was scary good.
He was absolutely the quintessential point guard.
-- My favorite players: Bird, Hakeem, and Stockton.
My GOAT list? MJ > Kareem > Lebron.
Top PG? Magic w/ honorable mention to Steph whose really a SG/PG
Greatest PGs never to win in the last 30 years? Stockton and CP3.
You are the voice of reason with takes that the media is terrified to get behind. Thank you!
No, thank YOU for watching. I appreciate that and you 🙏
No he's the voice to rally low IQ mouth breathers together.
9 all NBA defense selections. Every single team he's ever been on has won more games than they ever had in franchise history. It takes a complete team to win a ring, no one player has ever done it on their own. MJ couldn't even make it out of the first round until Pippen got good. Kobe, LeBron and Curry all missed the playoffs entirely when they weren't on stacked teams. Learn then you may speak.
As a point guard standing 6 feet tall, you NEED scorers around you to make your point guarding skills the most effective.. all of prime CP3 best teammates, outside of Harden, were pick & roll lob catchers..
Every single team he's ever been on has won more games than they ever had in franchise history. It takes a complete team to win a ring, no 1 player has ever done it on their own. MJ couldn't even make it out of the first round until Pippen got good. Kobe, LeBron and Curry all missed the playoffs entirely when they weren't on stacked teams. Learn then you may speak.
Terrible analysis and over hate ima tell you the real problem with why Chris’s paul injury, bad decisions on few opportunities and overall just bad luck. He really has Defied a lot of odds. He shouldn’t be as good of a defender he is undersized but was still a legendary player and let’s be real he got drafted by a team where most top picks careers would of died at. All this while being injury prone. And Jason Kidd verball said he is better then him and im taking his word for it plus if you watched Chris is better
No one cares. Cry more.
CP3 out-chocked Harden in 2015!
I KNOW! Almost IMPOSSIBLE to do lol
HE choked it? you mean right after eliminating the Spurs in game 7 on a bad hamstring? was his leg supposed to miraculously heal in a few days? Are you brain damaged? CP has some of the best playoff performance numbers of all time. It was his teammates who let him down. 6 ft tall. 9 All NBA Defense selections. 6th all time in total VORP (reg season and playoffs). Literally the lb for lb GOAT and its not even close.
Point guards, from a historical standpoint, don't lead to championships
Nah CP3 is without a doubt better than John Stockton bruh. Aint no way you have CP3 worse than a player who cant even dribble with his left hand.
Definitely Magic at number 1. Hard for me to pin down my other top pgs, but I really like you including Isaiah in there. I hated the pistons but if you adjust for game pace and competition his stats and career become even more special. Guy would have averaged an easy 25 to 27 with his quickness in today's game
But he had A LOT of help. It's easy to look great when you're getting easy assists to Kareem, Worthy, and...........KURT FREAKIN RAMBIS!!!!!!
@@TeddyKGB12 all these other point guards had a lot of help and did nothing with it like Magic.
@@MikeBNumba6 I'm not saying he wasn't great, I'm just saying he had more help than most other PGs.
@@TeddyKGB12 he also made that "help" work together well. Let me put it this way, replace magic with any pg, would those Lakers teams have the same success?
Then replace any hall of fame pg, would those teams have more success?
@@MikeBNumba6 Depends on who you are replacing them with. I can see Stockton replacing Magic and they win a title or two.
I’m willing to what my 🥜 that the narrator can’t hoop to save his life
You call Chris Paul a playoff choker with only his statistics to back up his placement in the GOAT debate and then bring up John Stockton who couldn’t shoot with his left hand alr man
Can’t be a Point GOD if you have 5 blown 2-0 leads on your resume
I don't get why people bring up 2-0 like it's some kind of achievement. 2-0 normally means that you won your first 2 games at home. How often do teams not win both of their first 2 home games? blown 3-0 leads would be a bigger indictment.
@@strmshadow8411 A total of 449 playoff series had at some point a status of 2-0. Of them, 416 (92.7%)went on to win the series. So 33 have not. Of those 33, Choke Paul has been involved in 6 of the 33 (18.18%). So almost 1 out of every 5 series that a team blew a 2-0 lead had Choke Paul.
@@TeddyKGB12 So nothing of note as I said. You didn't take anything other than those losses into account and nothing to contextualize them to push your agenda. He's has a 76-73 win/loss record, that in itself tells more about team strength than anything else.
While you're at it, can you point out a series that he was the main cause that they loss? Not 1 game an entire series.
@@TeddyKGB12 6th all time in total VORP (reg season and playoffs). Literally the lb for lb GOAT and its not even close.
@@TeddyKGB12i have ur address
Such a good list of poing guard names you mentioned there above CP3! My list is pretty much the same, the order of names probably different in a few spots around 5-10 spot range. Although there is one name I did not see or hear mentioned I probably would also put above CP3.
How about Gary Payton? He probably is the best defensive pg of all time during his prime and could still put up 24/9/6 averages offensive during his prime. DPOY winner and a champion aswell. Sure CP3's 'prime' has been a bit longer but The Glove still won more and made more finals aswell. I would rank Payton higher than CP3.
100% I agree with you. An obvious omission on my part. The GLOVE goes above CP3 as well in my book. And I would really have to think about the specific order of this list. The only player that I would say I did in definitive order was the top spot, Magic (of course).
@@skap_attack Magic is number one and will be a long time, maybe 'forever'. Then I have three names to place 2-4 but even for me it's difficult to say which one to put over another: Big O, Zeke and West. Yes, I consider Jerry West as a pg here even though he played both guard positions during his career.
From 5 onwards it becomes even more difficult to rank one over another as some people around those ranks won more individually and some won more with their teams. Names like Stockton, Curry, Frazier, Kidd, Cousy and Payton come to mind. There we already have 10 names who definitively are ahead of CP3 no matter how we look at it. After that we can start to talk about Nash for example.
CP3's regular season numbers, and longevity stats, are rather nice, impressive even, but I would still say he is barely top 15 at best.
Absolutely!
CP has some of the best playoff performance numbers of all time. It was his teammates who let him down. 6 ft tall. 9 All NBA Defense selections. 6th all time in total VORP (reg season and playoffs). Literally the lb for lb GOAT and its not even close.
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You can tell this guy's been waiting YEARS to post this video. Never seen someone genuinely dislike a player more than this. (except maybe LeBron)
hope you got the same energy for carmelo cause the same things you said for cp3 can be used for melo as well
Having my cup of coffee and some eggs/sausage this morning while listening to Skap is a great way to start the day.
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Idk why Lakers fans think this man was gonna be a difference in 2011 😂 still wasn't beating OKC. Chris Paul an Kobe would've bumped heads an Paul would've left immediately.
Its easy to point out how bad someone is when you leave out the good
Chris Paul is one of those players you want too win even though they just can’t
LOL good point...
nope he dirty
I’d love to see a video of your rankings for the greatest teams of all time.
I am working on a video on the greatest teams of all time currently. Mainly as a way to debunk this notion that the KD warriors were the "greatest team ever assembled".
@@skap_attackwe will be there
Chris Paul is barely 6 foot, and has elevated every time he’s been on. But he’s constantly been surrounded by frauds. David West, Blake Griffin, James Harden, Devin Booker.
He’s always been a Number 2 surrounded by 3s or 2s at best.
Imagine if we saw him at his prime with a KOBE, LBJ, Kawhi, Giannis, Jokic.
no point guard has every led their team to a ring besides Isaiah Thomas.. Curry did, but with an all-star cast...
odds have always been against Paul
Westbrook should not go above CP3 because while every team you add CP3 to gets better, most teams that added Russ got worse. I say that as someone who likes Russ and dislikes CP3. Russ' whole argument would be his crazy individual numbers which have never translated to team success
They both won the same number of titles. Chris Paul has played in TWO conference finals, EVER. He has been out of the second round TWICE in 18 years. We aren't playing the team success game when comparing these two. Therefore, I must defer to to stats. And Russ DESTROYS CP3 in that arena.
@@skap_attack No he doesnt. 6 ft tall. 9 All NBA Defense selections. 6th all time in total VORP (reg season and playoffs). Literally the lb for lb GOAT and its not even close.
Great Video!! I wish you were on Sports Shows like First Take or Undisputed because you would destroy most of those talking heads because you actually use FACTS!!!
THANK YOU so much for the kind words. And I WOULD love to get at some of these scrub analysts on ESPN and fox sports...I appreciate you 🙏❤
Funny how you spit on a guys individual accolades yet speak on his lack of team success as if it’s his own individual failures
Steph Curry is way above CP3 in the best point guard conversation.
His peak wasn't even that great. His peak wasn't as high as Nash, DRose, even DWill or Dame
By and large, I agree with you. We need to slide Russ into that as well, cause his peak was substantially higher than Paul's.
How can you say DWill is better than Chris Paul?
@michaelyoon9355 the peak was. There was a time before DRose, the best pg were arguably cp3 or DWill. And DWill has a case because he was playing vs Kobe year after year
Nah stop that, his peak was on the Hornets who sucked. He was arguably the best player in the league when Kobe won his MVP. Prime MJ would not have won with that team.
Peak Paul was basically equal to Nash on offense while actually playing defense, D rose was a unidimensional player and heavily relied on his athleticism, d will ???
The thing about CP3 is he always choke or get mysterious injuries during post season
Thats what happens when u justa regualar seaosn player
6th all time in VORP. Literally the lb for lb GOAT and its not even close.
Why people never mention Jason Kidd as a top 5 pg I believe he definitely is a top 5 Guard
Absolutely puzzling. He is undeniably a top 5 guy in my book. Certainly above Paul.
I agree Kidd is definitely a top 5 pg all time. The media probably dont like him because he was charged with assaulting his wife.
Lmao silly, he gave stockton and westbrook passes but criticize paul for not winning. And anyone playing before the 80s wouldnt make it in todays league
Very interesting and well fleshed out take, Skap! It’s refreshing to see these videos and hear the same rhetoric I’ve always said. Chris Paul is like a Bentley that was purchased from a police auction. On the surface, it looks good. Hell, it may even drive good. But underneath that hood, something is missing, making the car unreliable. That’s what CP3’s career seems like to me. For all the stats and high regular season winning percentage, come play off time, that next gear is absent. Much like a component in the aforementioned Bentley. Whether it’s inefficient play, or a well timed and convenient injury, he’s always falling short in the playoffs. And this may be an unpopular take, but he was in the same draft as Deron Williams. While Williams didn’t have the longevity that Paul had, at their peaks, I’d say Williams was the better PG.
I cannot disagree with really any of this. GREAT analogy with the car as well. And I think if push came to shove, I would also concur with the fact Deron Williams had a higher peak.
@@skap_attack I’ll go on the record and add that Williams had more of an offensive bag to go with his assists, making him a true dual threat with or without the ball.
I agree but the deron Williams take is wild tho, peak Paul was way more versatile, efficient and impactful player imo, deron was nice but let’s not forget he was in a way better situation in Utah, he had a legendary coach and two of the best modern big men in the league while Paul had to carry a struggling New Orleans franchise
9 all NBA defense selections. Every single team he's ever been on has won more games than they ever had in franchise history. It takes a complete team to win a ring, no one player has ever done it on their own. MJ couldn't even make it out of the first round until Pippen got good. Kobe, LeBron and Curry all missed the playoffs entirely when they weren't on stacked teams. Learn then you may speak.
@@skap_attacklol Deron Williams at no point in his career was ever even close to CP. He worse at literally every single aspect of the game. You fraud.
What’s this background music name
Stephen A Smith knows nothing about sports. It's wild. He's the black Colin Cowherd. We accept his nonsense a bit when discussing other sports, because he's supposed to know basketball. But he proves over and over again he knows nothing about basketball. It's an odd coincidence that the same people who try to elevate Chris Paul into being something he isn't are routinely the same ones who try to trash Larry Bird, John Stockton, and Nikola Jokić....
Playground rules...line them all up against the wall and who are picking. Absolutely NO ONE is picking CPdud. He likely isn't even in the top ten Point Guards being picked..
Every single team he's ever been on has won more games than they ever had in franchise history. It takes a complete team to win a ring, no 1 player has ever done it on their own. MJ couldn't even make it out of the first round until Pippen got good. Kobe, LeBron and Curry all missed the playoffs entirely when they weren't on stacked teams. Learn then you may speak.
Bravo, sir
(And just for perspective, Lebron has 1,112 less assists and 2,105 more turnovers)
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LOVE that LeBron context there lol 🙏
smith is a yes man
he's on a leash
point God 😂😂😂
Stephen A saying "he's not a point guard. he's a point gaaaaaawd" makes me cringe. Bad turn of phrase
As a die hard Chris Paul fan I can’t deny this evidence cause it’s all very true but then when I think about every point guard that’s better than Chris and I think about the the consistent superstar teammates that they’ve also had to back them up
Dude smh are you serious with this video??! Smh what a joke. Chris Paul is easily one of the best PGs ever. He made EVERY single team better. Every team. 😒
I would love to see a video on Russell Westbrook. He’s one of those players it’s hard to gauge just how good he is. Is he great and just hasn’t been on good enough teams in his era or is he good with great stats but not as great as his stats would suggest? I think this is something skap attack could find out.
If CP3 is "a fraud" i can't even imagine what Westbrook is. Is there a word to say fraud but even worse ? Because that's what he is.
@@vee1766agreed. Because CP3 is a better player than Westbrook. And it's not close
@@vee1766 Exactly. Hard to gauge? He’s awful.
Definitely think it's odd how CP3 hasn't had much playoff success but using box score stats and wins and losses without adding any context is a weak argument. "Nerd stats" are flawed but they're better than completely ignoring the context of how CP3 plays.
Skap starting the video with CP's full government names got me real good 😂
You forgot to mention 4 times champion point guard Tony Parker as better player than Chris Paul
Swap cp3 for Tony Parker on those incredibly stacked Spurs teams, and he wins more than 4.
He has elevated every team he has been on. Look at the Hornets, Clippers, Rockets, OKC, & Suns. They were much better after CP3 got there, and they were worst after he left. Say what you want about CP3, but he elevates his team.
You ain't wrong, but he should also elevate them to the championship
Just like all the other PGs mentioned in the video
@@DarkLordMisa He had his chance with Phoenix and Houston. Especially in 2018. If he didn't get hurt in game 5, they would have beaten the Warriors in the conference finals and won it all that year.
@@TheRealGreekFreak34 it's possible, but we can't dwell in hypotheticals. I agree the injuries screwed his chances but even the times he wasn't injured he still came up short. He's a great player don't get me wrong but it's what Skap was saying he's very overrated
@@DarkLordMisa We can't say he's overrated though. He's done what he did. He's still made a big impact. He just never got over the hump of winning a championship. Are we going to say players like Iverson, Barkley, Vince Carter and others were all overrated just because they never won a ring? Of course not. Overrated is someone like Zion Williamson. Kid was supposed to be the next big phenom and dominate the league but he's been pretending to be injured while throwing down 360 windmills and just getting fat and fu*king Moriah Mills. Or Ben Simmons. THAT'S what overrated is.
Russ is not CLOSE to CP3! Triple double for what? Not even a 50 win team, and a first round exit to a rookie? Cp3 ain’t need a bunch of useless triple doubles to get the OKC without PG or Melo to the playoffs. He’s hella efficient, an amazing defensive player, a godly playmaker, and makes every team he was on better.
Chris Paul is no question top 5 point all time. If you waste your time debating otherwise you prolly have just started watching basketball yesterday. I never knew this many people knew so little about basketball lmao
Fantastic analysis and accurate reading of the overrated players in this era. The only issue I have is not classifying Steph as a point guard. He definitely is - he is just a scoring one. No one else on that team would come close to classifying as a point other than him, who has the ball and initiates most of the offense even though he does give the ball up and get it back a ton. In my view, these discussions always start and end with titles won as your team's best player, FMVPs won, MVPs won, DPOYs won. Magic (5, 3, 3, 0), Steph (2, 1, 2, 0- KD best player on 2 titles teams), Isiah (2, 1, 0, 0), Stockton (2 appearances in finals as team's best player, statistically more dominant than Kidd), Kidd (2 appearances in finals as team's best player), in that order.
I agree with this, he's not a "traditional" point guard, but he definitely is a point guard. Sure, he's a combo guard type, but the offense still runs through him and he still operates from the top of the key, which are textbook point guard traits. You don't need to average 10+ assists to be a PG. Isiah Thomas and Magic Johnson had their best seasons when they started playing off the ball more. Hell, even CP3 started having more success playing off the ball. Ball dominant reliance on your PG for assist's is a system that has proven time and time again to fail in the playoffs.
@@dannyllerenatv8635that's not how basketball works. It never has. The only thing that has ever mattered is total team talent from top to bottom, depth, offensive efficiency and defense.
9 all NBA defense selections. Every single team he's ever been on has won more games than they ever had in franchise history. It takes a complete team to win a ring, no one player has ever done it on their own. MJ couldn't even make it out of the first round until Pippen got good. Kobe, LeBron and Curry all missed the playoffs entirely when they weren't on stacked teams. Learn then you may speak.
Question how many guys under 6’4 are better than Cp3?
Exactly.
Curry thats it
Good job man in speaking the truth about these players and exposing the media narrative about the players. Got my support
Bison: “Something wrong, Colonel? You came here to fight a madman, and instead you found a FRAUD?”
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I love CP3 but can't argue a single word you said 😭
Cliff Paul, Chris Fraud, Point Fraud, Cockpuncher, Stephen Curry’s oldest son. You can come up with so many nicknames you can associate with this damn joke. Lol
LOL all good ones
6 ft tall. 9 All NBA Defense selections. 6th all time in total VORP (reg season and playoffs). Literally the lb for lb GOAT and its not even close.
Jaymack count ur days
What’s this song
Stockton is one of those super-rare instances of being legit considered the greatest at the position despite not having a ring.
Only 3 small guards in NBA history have led their teams to a title, Isiah Thomas, Steph, and Jerry West, so its not quite fair to criticize him for not being able to carry a team all the way to a title. Every team he has played for was better because he was there and got worse when he left.
No mention of all of Blake Griffin's injuries in the playoffs, or that he helped the Rockets go up 3-2 on the Warriors with KD and then his hamstring gave out. Lot of bad injury luck around him.
For me he belongs behind Isiah and ahead of John Stockton, Steve Nash, J Kidd, and Payton. The Jazz choked almost every series in the playoffs in the 90s until expansion took out all of the contenders and CP3 didn't have another top 25-30 all time player his whole career to farm assists with.
And then you try to say Westbrook is better.......they were traded for each other btw, worst trade Morey has ever made. Houston got worse and OKC stayed the same despite also losing Paul George and attempting to tank.
If we are talking pure PGs Magic, Oscar, Isiah, CP3 and I am happy to throw West and Steph above him too. But he is the best of all the small guards who failed to lead a team to the title. Even Oscar had to team up with Kareem to win a title.
What adds to this, that I think a lot of people miss, is that when your teams best player is a pure point guard, it's easier to lock them up and basically shut the team down.
Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Gary Payton, Pistol Pete, Jason Kidd during his Nets tenure. Arguably Stockton as well, though you could argue he just had the misfortune of running into MJ twice in a row.
Exactly, Phoenix and GS have been the only team where CP3 hasn't been the best player on the team. That's not a championship recipe unless they are an anomaly like Steph.
I think this is always true when the team's best _shooter_ is also the point guard.
Not so often when the PG is the best (offensive, anyway) player due to the success of Magic, Zeke and Cousy.
@@strmshadow8411Houston had Harden
@@EnzoPepsiCola and what did Harden do the whole time? Be a detriment to the team.
@@strmshadow8411 he was the system and no matter how detrimental to the team you think he was, the fact is that he was not only the best player on the rockets at the time but best in the league. I love CP3 but it's just wrong to ignore his Houston years in this topic
I would rank chris paul top 20 or 30 point guard of all time
I would have to really sit down and list them out, BUT I am certain I can name at minimum 10.
CP has some of the best playoff performance numbers of all time. It was his teammates who let him down. 6 ft tall. 9 All NBA Defense selections. 6th all time in total VORP (reg season and playoffs). Literally the lb for lb GOAT and its not even close.
The fact u opened up the video with his whole government is crazy
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I've thought that for a long time as well. To play just a little devil's advocate for CP3 one little factoid about him literally nobody talks about is that he's one of only 3 players from the 2008 Redeem Team to never play with another member of that team in the NBA, the other 2 Tayshaun Prince and Michael Redd who were on their last legs by then. Definitely ended up being the odd man out of the nuclear arms race that was the super team era. But honestly, the last 6-7 years he has had some great talent, he's just too short to play defense in the playoffs lol. Plus like, there were rarely points over the span of his career where he was considered the best even among his peers. Maybe in 2007 & 2008 when he was reaching his peak and Nash and Kidd were declining he was but after that there were a couple years where the consensus that Deron Williams was the best (let that sink in), then a couple years where D-Rose was until...ya know. I guess for a couple years it was CP3 again by default but then Curry came into his own and the rest is history. Hell, make a definitive case he's higher than Kyrie all time.
I think Paul is an all time great. I just do not think he is in the upper echelon of those all time greats. In my opinion, (as you mentioned them) both Kidd and Nash actually had fairly significantly higher peak than Chris Paul. And those two generally are never discussed within the conversation of the top 5 all time PGs. Yet, here is CP3 LOL. The reason I included the backend of this video was to accentuate that point. Ultimately, there are a finite amount of positions when we are talking about top 5 or top 10, and there are A LOT of great players who have come along in this sport.
@@skap_attack Absolutely, the only reason I think he gets mentioned in the top 5 is because a lot of pundits today are in love with longevity because of LeBron, but I've always thought that was kind of asinine since sports medicine and training are only gonna improve so that's something that's always going to get better every generation. I will say with Kidd and Nash in particular you could argue Paul to be a more complete player than they. Much as I hate to admit it since he's my favorite player all time, Kidd at his peak was a bad shooter with bad shot selection and Nash couldn't play a lick of defense. Paul doesn't have any gaping hole like that. But as far as the resume goes it is lighter for Paul than either of them.
Who did Jason Kidd play with, from the redeem team?
@@satatay23 Kidd is almost a technicality but he actually teamed up with Melo on the Knicks in his last season.
@@skap_attackdo you value defense? Does assist to turnover ratio mean nothing to you? LoL
Thoroughly overdue video. The wait was worth it. 🔥🔥🔥
LOL THANK YOU for tuning in. I appreciate you ❤🙏
@@skap_attack The Point Fraud subject was overdue. This video puts that into perspective. Thoroughly. 👍🏾 I appreciate you. Thank you.
The CP3 Disrespect MUST STOP. 1st of all, CP3 wasted his Prime like 7-8 Years Playing for nothing with the Hornets. 2nd CP3 is like 5’9” and has played damn near 20 Seasons and made Multiple AllStars!! 3rd if CP3 played with a Player like Mailman or Kareem or SHAQ or even Embiid he could have had the Same Success as other All-Time Great PGs.
Zeke is CP3 without Dumars, Rodman, Aguirre & Laimbeer.. TEAM is so important to collective success
Each of your videos highlights that people tend to be unaware of history. They rely on what's in front of them rather than what's happened before. Today's analysis is not taken seriously when discussing basketball or football because they dismiss history. It's challenging to take someone seriously when they rank Chris Paul above other players. ESPN, Fox Sports, and other outlets attempt to revise history so, for example, LeBron fans proclaim him the greatest. They ignore past performances against Boston or Dallas and the excuses. Essentially, you remind us of the importance of knowing history, especially today.
VERY well said! Great comment, and I of course agree with every word here. It's nice to know there are still some reasonable people out there. Thank you for tuning in.
6ht all time in VORP. Literally the lb for lb GOAT and its not even close.