I had my top tube repaired by these guys. Amazing job and near perfect finish in the end and nearly three years later I’ve had no issues or problems. Cheaper than buying a new frame too. Would definitely recommend!
I remember just 5 years ago when carbon design experts and people in the business were saying it's taboo to fix any type of carbon. But look at how far the technology has come? Of course, thanks to Carbon Bike Repair, most carbon frame cracks are indeed repairable. And that can save someone a hefty amount of money. And get your precious 'baby' back. Hey man, I love my bike too. She's my baby. Lol. :D
We've only been doing CRP repairs in the aviation world for the last 30+ years. So saying carbon is not repairable is just a way to make more money by forcing you to buy a whole new frame or part
Alex...I took my Synapse out in March. , It was in the 20's here , so stopped at a cafe , and put it out of the way . The person in front of me slammed the door open into the seat stay . Yeah....smashed ! Where I live , there was one highly recommended place , so off I went . I did NOT get it resprayed , it's obviously black , it was a budget issue , but It's as good as new ! When it happened , I thought I had no options . Thanks Peace
@@gcntech you’ve featured CBR twice now, I have had a nightmare with them an unbelievable story of poor work, dangerous returned bike, lies and broken promises. There’s other companies out there doing a better job, an honest job, why not feature one of those ?? Honestly CBR have been truly dreadful especially Rob, what a disappointment he was, a liar and cowardly. 😔😞
These guys are real heros. I got my 2 month old Canyon Endurace 8.0 CF fixed by BrokenCarbon in USA. Thanks for working so hard and solving a real problem.
Sent my PlanetX to these guys to get the drive side dropout repaired. I thought the frame was dead and I was going to have to shell out on a new frame but I found Carbon Bike Repair through a GCN video. I have to say that although the repair was a little pricey it was still way cheaper than buying a new frame. Their customer service was impeccable with good communication throughout the whole process. And most importantly my commuter/go anywhere do anything PlaneX got a new lease of life.
@Terry Williams My experience is the complete opposite, I have had and continue to have an absolute nightmare, liars liars liars, dangerous workmanship poor paint work and broken promises……court room beckons!
@@petermorrell5422 Could you explain more in-depth by any chance? Thanks. Especially to do with the poor repair and paint job you received. Me personally wouldn’t trust a job like this unless I was there to see the work as it happened, too easy to slap any old bodge job on and paint over the top.
Some brands have crash replacement programs, so you can buy a new frame for a fraction of the normal price. My Canyon Inflite CF had a broken seatstay (2 places) due to a crash. Still had a long way to go but risked it. I started with caution, obviously, but found out it didn't felt any different. 60km further, I almost forgot about the broken seat stay when taking a rough gravel section. Made it home safely and was surprised how strong the frame still was. I asked for a quote from a reputable carbon bike fixer, and the difference between them and a crash replacement frame was 500 euro and a waiting list of one month. I went for a fresh new frame, delivered within a week.
@@pierrex3226 yes, mind you, I still had the support of 2 chainstays and 1 seatstay. With only 1 broken seatstay, in this particular case, it was safe to ride back home. Sadly, last summer I also crashed this replacement frame, and incredibly broke the seat stay again, only this time half of the seat stay was gone (literally!) and the frame was damaged nearby the thru-axle, so that was the end of the ride. It solely depends on where the damage is located, a damaged fork obviously is way more critical, don’t need to explain that.
Alex as we all know the more you know the more you don't know... Where was the resin bonding carbon fibre mat placement Ultra sound ( if it is used to find fractures). Vacuum forming and removal of air in mat and resin. Heat treatment.. There seems to be so much you left out.. Software for remaking decals and the printer / vinyl cutters involved. etc etc...
@@Brainless437 coming from the airline industry, the area that is being repaired is vacuum sealed and the heating blanket goes over the repaired area. so it removes the air bubbles, compresses the composite layers and bake the area as well
Thank you , seems we are in the right buiseness. I can not imagine that car manfacturs are that compliant when it comes to repairs as they most have "patner" workshops. I like that "carbon repair" appears respected by most bike brands. Great
Okay the only ONLY Question I wanted answered was the "Cost" How much does it actually cost to get this all done? Obviously different bikes different damages = different prices But just a ball park what is the min-cost and whats the max / right off level of cost
In Canada, Roberts Composites in Vancouver, completely snapped seat stay $600 and that was with colour match paint, they did an amazing job and just under 2-week turnaround.
Minimum will be the inspection cost. Maximum will be whatever you can imagine. I would guess that some people with nostalgic attachment to a specific bike will pay many times the replacement cost of the frame to get it fixed.
@@MrFreeGman Yes, anything beyond a carbon fork is for people with money to spend on their hobby. Aluminum has come a long way, and could easily win any local race.
@@jesseladd6864 honestly it's not even that bad either. I cracked my rear chainstay badly and took a load of paint off in that area. It cost me £186 for a full repair and repaint
Perhaps but I was quoted 900 to fix a seat tube. Maybe I was just unlucky. Still, my TCR sits in the garage as a 2k paper weight because of DHL. Insure your bikes lads.
My Trek Domane SLR7 had an argument with a car and the car run. (Not)nice crack all around tonight tube next to the head and fork. Thought is was a goner. Friend recommended The Frame Doctor in Tavares, Florida. About a month later it was fully repaired and the area affected repainted so as to not be discernible. About a grand. Much less than a new frame.
Excellent video, I see so many carbon frames out on the road. Its great to know that they don't have to go in the bin as soon as they get damaged. It looks expensive, but for high end bike I suppose it will be worthwhile.
I've got a friend who owns a Colnago(with a carbon frame of course).Can't quite remember which model because it's from a few years back(like,it had a first generation Ultegra Di2 gruppo on it). There was a crack on his toptube that was approximately half the length of the toptube itself,and a crack on his front carbon wheel(somehow).Those cracks were from many months back and he still rides his bike. That being said if your carbon frame has a crack,do not straightaway ride your bike off as per normal unlike what he did,just in case.
That’s truly scary!! When I was hurling myself down the road on an etape at 96kph with closed roads and not traffic, I was supremely confident in the bike under me. How safe would you feel doing 30kph on a public road with potholes / traffic and known cracks in your carbon wheels? 😮
I bought a bianchi oltre xr2 that had a seat stay like that on the thumbnail, it was "repaired" with epoxy-putty inside and glass fiber on the outside. I noticed it bechause of some shitty paintwork and i started tapping the frame to check the rigidity of the frame through sound. when i got to the seat stay the sound was completely dead, and all it took was a 3 fiber push on the seatstay and i had a piece in my hand. I took it to an actual professional carbon fiber repair man and the result was really good. Paintwork still look diy, but it's a black matte frame so it's really not important what it looks like, but i know i can trust the frame now, and i've used it on my smart trainer aswell as jumped it over curbs and down curbs with no ill effects. Be carefull where you get your frame repaired, as the previous repair man obviously didn't do a propper job and it would have ended up hurting me down the line.
Interesting. I knew they could be repaired but as I’m about to get a new frame after crashing, I know that my winter bike will be exactly the same as my summer bike once the older frame has been repaired.
Sorry, but your advice is rather scary. Cracked carbon has no "safety zone" and there's no simple way to tell wether it is going to hold or not. If your frame still holds, then only because the crack has not affected all layers, because the applied forces compress the crack (instead of applying tensile stress) or because your riding style is rather "gentle". But how do you determine whether the crack only affects one layer or two layers? The problem is you likely won't feel a gradual worsening of the situation, once the load is too high, the frame will just snap and in traffic this may be fatal.
@@dudelwurm I understand and respect all your scientific mumbo jumbo but it just depends on how, where and how much the carbon is cracked. The frame is still very solid, it's been like 5 1/2 years now and it's not worse and still very solid. It's actually on the down tube, near the head tube and I can even press as hard as I can and the tube won't even flex inward or in any way. It just all depends on each case. Some cracking can render a part of a frame weaker or very weaker or not really effect it unless it's on a mountain bike. Mines a road bike.
This is one very useful information. Glad to know that carbon frame is repairable to a save extent. Unfortunately there is no big thumbs up button anywhere to be pressed for this video. 👍👍👍👍
I would be very hesitant to ride repaired carbon bike due to complexity when working on carbon. However, if there was a standard certification for repair shops and their personal then it wouldn't be an issue for me. Also QC and repair would need to be a separate entities to ensure quality of repair is not compromised.
I have my SL4 in with these guys at the moment, manufacturing defect (the front braze-on hanger rivet pulled the carbon apart). Hoping to be amazed by their workmanship.
How about bad BB areas on carbon frames? Is there solution for misaligned BBs? And carbon wheels I think have way more chance of getting damaged than frames.
I agree it can be repaired as good as new or even stronger at the broken part, but what if the repair was not that good? But risking my life for 3-5k usd? not worth it
It should not be stronger! Certain places are designed to be stronger or weaker to have a cartain flex or stiffness and to bare a certain load. If if it was made stronger, it's not good for long term either
Best most truthful comment I've heard at 11.46 "Carbon frames are really fragile ". And this why I personally hate them and will avoid them I just do not trust them!
Wow no need to be so harsh or negative. I mean everything we have is fragile our laptops, tv's etc etc... i mean as long as we don't drop them or throw them out the window or whatever and handle them with care then they should be fine, then again that's with everything in life including carbon frames. I take really good care of my carbon frame and works really well till this day.
so purchase a really expensive carbon frame that gets cracked, but how many of these shops are in the world? most ppl won't even be close to one of these special shops.
you can do a very solid repair yourself with epoxy and a roll of carbon fibre. To be honest if you don't know how to take care of it, have the proper roads to not damage it, and either shops around to repair it or the know how yourself just don't get carbon fiber
Look into the local Architectural Scale Model Making scene ... A lot of enthusiasts there are used to craft things out of carbon and can provide viable support. I had a frame fixed that way
I think you'd be surprised. Obviously it depends on what country you live in as in America the nearest big town or city can be further away than the other side of the country for someone like me who lives in Britain. However with people who live in Britain you're probably looking at a 2 hr drive all round which when you consider the cost you'll save compared to throwing your 5 grand bike away, isn't really a long journey.
the fact that theres a cf repair shop exists says it all. never heard of an aluminium frame repair shop. carbon is like oled tv, its gonna burnin sonner or later so cf gonna break.
Great information, it wasn’t that long ago the thinking was a broken carbon fiber frame meant replacing the frame. My question just how much does repairing cost? A ball park price would be nice to know. Is it less than half, two thirds the cost of replacing? Would be nice if he could state something like, you can expect to pay… and as much as… It’s obvious that it must be cheaper than replacing, you wouldn’t be in business otherwise. But is the repair at price points that mere mortals can afford?
What about cracked frame from an over tightened seat post clamp where the seat post is aero and the clamping mechanism works in such a way that it cracks an inner part of the carbon?
I have followed your videos for my biking selections and bet i found (this) one for issues with my bike. I put my Carbon fiber frame in Shipping and now i see a some damage on the frame when it arrived. Can you guide me how to assess if the frame is cracked or how severe is the damage ?
TL:DW So which is cheaper tossing the Frame and chancing a 4 digit (£€$$) CF Frame from Flexy Alexaexpress, or to call upon the expertise of this cat? I'm leaning towards the latter. Also how does this work for Head Tube Cracks?
What I am surprised about is how many damaged frames there are!!!! Are these all damaged from crashing, misuse, etc? I mean in my 39 years I think the last time I wrecked a bike was in grade school. I have a Domane SL6 ordered but starting to worry how fragile carbon frames are. I for sure don't have deep enough pockets to be replacing/repairing carbon bike frames.
They aren't really fragile at all. I hadn't wrecked a bike in many many years either until last weekend. Laid it down in an off camber dirty turn at a decent rate of speed. Road rash from my hip to my ankle. Frame seems fine, the only damage was one busted shifter and the other one scraped to shit. Once I heal a bit and my new (price gouged) shifters come in I'm going to take it to the ahop to get a second pair of eyes on it but I don't think they'll find anything wrong with it. Carbon is pretty tough and the same sorts of things that break it can damage alloy frames as well, the difference being that alloy is pretty much 100% unrepairable. Don't worry about it and go ride.
Hi Alex /Olly I have a Ribble cgr sl and I'm looking to change my stock mavic all road wheels for something a bit lighter. Should I go alloy or carbon as I mainly do road and light gravel and single track. Bugget of about £800 . Which is better Alloy or Carbon #askgcntec #TorqueBack
This bike was really easy to assemble th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
repair carbon = ad weigth ... don't tell Oli he will go mad as he did on the Gravel bike video! good video very useful still wondering why some need a carbon fibre bike why some others don't and there is the answer why some of us resist and belive more on steel titanium and even Aluminum ... because to can repair the bike but take away the concern of the one who knows that this bike is a repair /broken bike.
#askgcn Hi guys, I've recently changed my chain and cassete, I've left the chain the same lenght but the cassete is now R8000 11-32, and the old one is HG800 11-34. There was a spacer underneath the bigger cassete which didn't came with the new one. Should I have left it on the bike or not? New Ultegra Cassete is mounted and it is fixed/doesn't wobble or anything.
Can a frame be repaired? Yes, and GCN should know since they covered this already (th-cam.com/video/k7e004bfHyY/w-d-xo.html). Also, Calfee is well-suited for carbon repair. Next up from GCN - Should you ride your bike blindfolded?
@@paulb9769 what kind of ‘proof’ do you need or expecting? I have email chains between them , myself and my insurance company where they go back on their word. This is not the best forum for those to be shared.
@@petermorrell5422you seem to be lying. You are the only one with a bad story. You can’t produce any evidence. Not sure if you run a competing company or are just an internet troll. It literally nobody believes your lies
Local bike shop has a wall with road frames hanging on it that suffered sudden catastrophic failure with normal riding. There are a lot of them and some are modern expensive ones, some of the riders are now in wheel chairs..... yeah n,f,t,h
I would never accept a repaired carbon frame, sorry. You are going 60mph downhill and if any of those cracks they DIDN'T see, suddenly gives way by a small hump in the road and you fall off. It might be the last thing you do in life. Sorry, but these single peace molded frames only last until the first crack appear.
The thing is, how do you know that your frame was made properly in the first place or hasn't got damage that you are unaware of? If you accept that it's reasonable to ride a carbon frame to begin with, why wouldn't it be reasonable to ride one that has been professionally repaired? Why would you necessarily trust a professional carbon bike repairer less than the bloke on the factory who did the layup and the factory's QC? At least you know that if it has been repaired, it has probably been inspected more carefully than it ever was when it left the factory.
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I had my top tube repaired by these guys. Amazing job and near perfect finish in the end and nearly three years later I’ve had no issues or problems. Cheaper than buying a new frame too. Would definitely recommend!
How long was the turnaround mate? I've got mine in for a weird manufacturer defect. Not in a rush.
@@AlbertBuckinghamEllison
F**k that, you should have sent it back to the manufacturer if it was how they sent it you?
I also need to have my bike's top tube repaired. How much did it cost you?
Just cracked my frame in a crash what is the link for the shop when I look up carbon bike repair just a bunch of other shops come up
I remember just 5 years ago when carbon design experts and people in the business were saying it's taboo to fix any type of carbon. But look at how far the technology has come? Of course, thanks to Carbon Bike Repair, most carbon frame cracks are indeed repairable. And that can save someone a hefty amount of money. And get your precious 'baby' back. Hey man, I love my bike too. She's my baby. Lol. :D
We've only been doing CRP repairs in the aviation world for the last 30+ years. So saying carbon is not repairable is just a way to make more money by forcing you to buy a whole new frame or part
These guys did a repair on the drop out on my front fork after i had a small crash. Did a superb job.
Thanks! Really happy to hear about your experience with us :) We do have a TH-cam Channel if you want some behind the scenes :-)
Alex...I took my Synapse out in March. , It was in the 20's here , so stopped at a cafe , and put it out of the way . The person in front of me slammed the door open into the seat stay . Yeah....smashed ! Where I live , there was one highly recommended place , so off I went . I did NOT get it resprayed , it's obviously black , it was a budget issue , but It's as good as new ! When it happened , I thought I had no options . Thanks Peace
So nice to hear you had it repaired and not replaced!
@@gcntech I was happy it could be done!
@UCfTUrWU6mlPRaZnJkFZ7tkA Absolutely .. I was dumb costly learning experience.
@@gcntech you’ve featured CBR twice now, I have had a nightmare with them an unbelievable story of poor work, dangerous returned bike, lies and broken promises. There’s other companies out there doing a better job, an honest job, why not feature one of those ?? Honestly CBR have been truly dreadful especially Rob, what a disappointment he was, a liar and cowardly. 😔😞
These guys are real heros.
I got my 2 month old Canyon Endurace 8.0 CF fixed by BrokenCarbon in USA.
Thanks for working so hard and solving a real problem.
Same. Excellent service by Broken Carbon.
The next time I break a bone, I’m going to these guys.
We'll be sure to look after you!
Ben, don’t, especially if you want it fixed properly. The NHS are pretty good at fixing broken bones 😉
Sent my PlanetX to these guys to get the drive side dropout repaired. I thought the frame was dead and I was going to have to shell out on a new frame but I found Carbon Bike Repair through a GCN video. I have to say that although the repair was a little pricey it was still way cheaper than buying a new frame. Their customer service was impeccable with good communication throughout the whole process. And most importantly my commuter/go anywhere do anything PlaneX got a new lease of life.
@Terry Williams My experience is the complete opposite, I have had and continue to have an absolute nightmare, liars liars liars, dangerous workmanship poor paint work and broken promises……court room beckons!
@@petermorrell5422
Could you explain more in-depth by any chance? Thanks. Especially to do with the poor repair and paint job you received. Me personally wouldn’t trust a job like this unless I was there to see the work as it happened, too easy to slap any old bodge job on and paint over the top.
Some brands have crash replacement programs, so you can buy a new frame for a fraction of the normal price. My Canyon Inflite CF had a broken seatstay (2 places) due to a crash. Still had a long way to go but risked it. I started with caution, obviously, but found out it didn't felt any different. 60km further, I almost forgot about the broken seat stay when taking a rough gravel section. Made it home safely and was surprised how strong the frame still was. I asked for a quote from a reputable carbon bike fixer, and the difference between them and a crash replacement frame was 500 euro and a waiting list of one month. I went for a fresh new frame, delivered within a week.
You rode a broken frame back home?
@@pierrex3226 yes, mind you, I still had the support of 2 chainstays and 1 seatstay. With only 1 broken seatstay, in this particular case, it was safe to ride back home. Sadly, last summer I also crashed this replacement frame, and incredibly broke the seat stay again, only this time half of the seat stay was gone (literally!) and the frame was damaged nearby the thru-axle, so that was the end of the ride. It solely depends on where the damage is located, a damaged fork obviously is way more critical, don’t need to explain that.
Alex as we all know the more you know the more you don't know... Where was the resin bonding carbon fibre mat placement Ultra sound ( if it is used to find fractures). Vacuum forming and removal of air in mat and resin. Heat treatment.. There seems to be so much you left out.. Software for remaking decals and the printer / vinyl cutters involved. etc etc...
I was also curious about the heat treatment... how does this work? Is the whole frame baked again (I don't think so)?
@@Brainless437 coming from the airline industry, the area that is being repaired is vacuum sealed and the heating blanket goes over the repaired area. so it removes the air bubbles, compresses the composite layers and bake the area as well
@@Syn741 awesome! Thanks for the explanation
The peace of mind we need
:)
Not with these jokers it’s not, no peace of mind just stress, lies and more stress!
Thank you , seems we are in the right buiseness. I can not imagine that car manfacturs are that compliant when it comes to repairs as they most have "patner" workshops. I like that "carbon repair" appears respected by most bike brands. Great
Okay the only ONLY Question I wanted answered was the "Cost"
How much does it actually cost to get this all done?
Obviously different bikes different damages = different prices
But just a ball park what is the min-cost and whats the max / right off level of cost
I got my unusable right seat stay fixed for $350
In Canada, Roberts Composites in Vancouver, completely snapped seat stay $600 and that was with colour match paint, they did an amazing job and just under 2-week turnaround.
Minimum will be the inspection cost.
Maximum will be whatever you can imagine. I would guess that some people with nostalgic attachment to a specific bike will pay many times the replacement cost of the frame to get it fixed.
@@galenkehler I'd imagine they get quite a few insurance jobs too.
@@MrFreeGman Yes, anything beyond a carbon fork is for people with money to spend on their hobby. Aluminum has come a long way, and could easily win any local race.
This is great until you get the quote back and find out the repair is 80% the cost of a new frame
Not that bad. Depends on how bad the damage is. Simple cracks are 3-500 bucks max and paint match is another 3-500
@@jesseladd6864 honestly it's not even that bad either. I cracked my rear chainstay badly and took a load of paint off in that area. It cost me £186 for a full repair and repaint
Perhaps but I was quoted 900 to fix a seat tube. Maybe I was just unlucky. Still, my TCR sits in the garage as a 2k paper weight because of DHL. Insure your bikes lads.
@@stumprat I'd definitely shop around there mate £900 to fix a seatube doesn't sound right unless the repair requires something drastic
@@austintinoC00l Who done the repair on your bike at that price?
My Trek Domane SLR7 had an argument with a car and the car run. (Not)nice crack all around tonight tube next to the head and fork. Thought is was a goner. Friend recommended The Frame Doctor in Tavares, Florida. About a month later it was fully repaired and the area affected repainted so as to not be discernible. About a grand. Much less than a new frame.
Excellent video, I see so many carbon frames out on the road. Its great to know that they don't have to go in the bin as soon as they get damaged. It looks expensive, but for high end bike I suppose it will be worthwhile.
I've got a friend who owns a Colnago(with a carbon frame of course).Can't quite remember which model because it's from a few years back(like,it had a first generation Ultegra Di2 gruppo on it).
There was a crack on his toptube that was approximately half the length of the toptube itself,and a crack on his front carbon wheel(somehow).Those cracks were from many months back and he still rides his bike.
That being said if your carbon frame has a crack,do not straightaway ride your bike off as per normal unlike what he did,just in case.
That’s truly scary!! When I was hurling myself down the road on an etape at 96kph with closed roads and not traffic, I was supremely confident in the bike under me. How safe would you feel doing 30kph on a public road with potholes / traffic and known cracks in your carbon wheels? 😮
Just saw my walmalt bike being repaired...can't wait to get it back! :D
Carbon is still the top material for performance. It created such a huge application for different industries. Great times.
I bought a bianchi oltre xr2 that had a seat stay like that on the thumbnail, it was "repaired" with epoxy-putty inside and glass fiber on the outside.
I noticed it bechause of some shitty paintwork and i started tapping the frame to check the rigidity of the frame through sound.
when i got to the seat stay the sound was completely dead, and all it took was a 3 fiber push on the seatstay and i had a piece in my hand.
I took it to an actual professional carbon fiber repair man and the result was really good.
Paintwork still look diy, but it's a black matte frame so it's really not important what it looks like, but i know i can trust the frame now, and i've used it on my smart trainer aswell as jumped it over curbs and down curbs with no ill effects.
Be carefull where you get your frame repaired, as the previous repair man obviously didn't do a propper job and it would have ended up hurting me down the line.
“Finely tuned machine” very accurate!
Interesting. I knew they could be repaired but as I’m about to get a new frame after crashing, I know that my winter bike will be exactly the same as my summer bike once the older frame has been repaired.
Haven't GCN already done this video not long ago?
Yes they have
That was carbon wheels? 🤔
@@kalijasin it was last year
Yeah, lol. I was wondering the same thing
They ran out of original ideas about 3 years ago. The only things worth watching are the GCN show and the challenges
Yes it is safe, all depending on the damage, I ride a cracked frame all day everyday for 4 years now doing food deliveries
Sorry, but your advice is rather scary. Cracked carbon has no "safety zone" and there's no simple way to tell wether it is going to hold or not. If your frame still holds, then only because the crack has not affected all layers, because the applied forces compress the crack (instead of applying tensile stress) or because your riding style is rather "gentle". But how do you determine whether the crack only affects one layer or two layers? The problem is you likely won't feel a gradual worsening of the situation, once the load is too high, the frame will just snap and in traffic this may be fatal.
@@dudelwurm I understand and respect all your scientific mumbo jumbo but it just depends on how, where and how much the carbon is cracked. The frame is still very solid, it's been like 5 1/2 years now and it's not worse and still very solid. It's actually on the down tube, near the head tube and I can even press as hard as I can and the tube won't even flex inward or in any way. It just all depends on each case. Some cracking can render a part of a frame weaker or very weaker or not really effect it unless it's on a mountain bike. Mines a road bike.
This is one very useful information. Glad to know that carbon frame is repairable to a save extent. Unfortunately there is no big thumbs up button anywhere to be pressed for this video. 👍👍👍👍
The is the M.I.T. of bike frame repair. This guy knows his stuff.
I would be very hesitant to ride repaired carbon bike due to complexity when working on carbon. However, if there was a standard certification for repair shops and their personal then it wouldn't be an issue for me. Also QC and repair would need to be a separate entities to ensure quality of repair is not compromised.
I have my SL4 in with these guys at the moment, manufacturing defect (the front braze-on hanger rivet pulled the carbon apart). Hoping to be amazed by their workmanship.
were you amazed in the end?
How about bad BB areas on carbon frames? Is there solution for misaligned BBs? And carbon wheels I think have way more chance of getting damaged than frames.
i like my carbon in my steel alloy
I agree it can be repaired as good as new or even stronger at the broken part, but what if the repair was not that good? But risking my life for 3-5k usd? not worth it
It should not be stronger! Certain places are designed to be stronger or weaker to have a cartain flex or stiffness and to bare a certain load. If if it was made stronger, it's not good for long term either
Well done!!!!! Carapaz & Anna for the olympic 2020 road race gold🥇🏆👏👏. Keen to run through GCN full update for the said champions🙏🏻.
Interesting and looking at their web site I see they warranty it for one owner which is fair enough to me.
The safety aspect would have been much more convincing... if the video showed actual details of structural QC process.
Best most truthful comment I've heard at 11.46
"Carbon frames are really fragile ".
And this why I personally hate them and will avoid them I just do not trust them!
Wow no need to be so harsh or negative. I mean everything we have is fragile our laptops, tv's etc etc... i mean as long as we don't drop them or throw them out the window or whatever and handle them with care then they should be fine, then again that's with everything in life including carbon frames. I take really good care of my carbon frame and works really well till this day.
so purchase a really expensive carbon frame that gets cracked, but how many of these shops are in the world? most ppl won't even be close to one of these special shops.
you can do a very solid repair yourself with epoxy and a roll of carbon fibre. To be honest if you don't know how to take care of it, have the proper roads to not damage it, and either shops around to repair it or the know how yourself just don't get carbon fiber
@@matroid4996 well, said. very limited where i am for bike shops and expert repairs.
Look into the local Architectural Scale Model Making scene ... A lot of enthusiasts there are used to craft things out of carbon and can provide viable support. I had a frame fixed that way
I think you'd be surprised. Obviously it depends on what country you live in as in America the nearest big town or city can be further away than the other side of the country for someone like me who lives in Britain. However with people who live in Britain you're probably looking at a 2 hr drive all round which when you consider the cost you'll save compared to throwing your 5 grand bike away, isn't really a long journey.
Special bike shipping is available in many countries with low rate. Broken carbon bikes tend to be shipped to be repaired.,
the fact that theres a cf repair shop exists says it all.
never heard of an aluminium frame repair shop.
carbon is like oled tv, its gonna burnin sonner or later so cf gonna break.
Good information for a first time carbon fiber bike owner. Thank you
Great information, it wasn’t that long ago the thinking was a broken carbon fiber frame meant replacing the frame. My question just how much does repairing cost? A ball park price would be nice to know. Is it less than half, two thirds the cost of replacing? Would be nice if he could state something like, you can expect to pay… and as much as… It’s obvious that it must be cheaper than replacing, you wouldn’t be in business otherwise. But is the repair at price points that mere mortals can afford?
Nice video, but not a lot of detail as to what actually happens during a repair. Do they do ultrasound checks on the bike?
We have multiple methods on how we check the repairs :)
What about cracked frame from an over tightened seat post clamp where the seat post is aero and the clamping mechanism works in such a way that it cracks an inner part of the carbon?
From an engineering point of view, I'm not convinced by this company. Be curious to know what Hambini thinks too.
This is so cool to see and quite reassuring! Would love to get recommendations for similar shops in the States for if I ever need these services.
BrokenCarbon and DoctorCarbon are the 2 I'm aware of. Used brokencarbon personally, would recommend
We do actually take repairs globally and have recently had a few frames sent in from the states :)
Hot tubes in Shirley MA 👍
Great video, very informative
Wish we had this shop in HK!!
Very interesting, thank you
I'll keep my steel!
I'd be interested in learning from this expert, when is a frame damage beyond reasonable repair? Examples?
Hiya! We do actually have a YouTibe channel where we discuss the carbon repair process in more detail :)
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@@LISIAS100 Wooo! :)
Great job! I wish it was in Indonesia too 😞
We do repair bikes from all over the globe - not long ago we worked with a customer based in Japan! :)
Fantastic production quality!
You've made a video about these guys before.
8:21 i want that sticker on the chain stay lol
I have followed your videos for my biking selections and bet i found (this) one for issues with my bike. I put my Carbon fiber frame in Shipping and now i see a some damage on the frame when it arrived. Can you guide me how to assess if the frame is cracked or how severe is the damage ?
I'm curious as to what *he* thinks is the best bike frame manufacturer.
TL:DW So which is cheaper tossing the Frame and chancing a 4 digit (£€$$) CF Frame from Flexy Alexaexpress, or to call upon the expertise of this cat?
I'm leaning towards the latter. Also how does this work for Head Tube Cracks?
I love Aluminium because you can recycle an Aluminiumframe.
What I am surprised about is how many damaged frames there are!!!! Are these all damaged from crashing, misuse, etc? I mean in my 39 years I think the last time I wrecked a bike was in grade school. I have a Domane SL6 ordered but starting to worry how fragile carbon frames are. I for sure don't have deep enough pockets to be replacing/repairing carbon bike frames.
They aren't really fragile at all. I hadn't wrecked a bike in many many years either until last weekend. Laid it down in an off camber dirty turn at a decent rate of speed. Road rash from my hip to my ankle. Frame seems fine, the only damage was one busted shifter and the other one scraped to shit. Once I heal a bit and my new (price gouged) shifters come in I'm going to take it to the ahop to get a second pair of eyes on it but I don't think they'll find anything wrong with it. Carbon is pretty tough and the same sorts of things that break it can damage alloy frames as well, the difference being that alloy is pretty much 100% unrepairable. Don't worry about it and go ride.
No mention on prices ? Not even ball park figures which would have been nice, but good video
Hi Alex /Olly I have a Ribble cgr sl and I'm looking to change my stock mavic all road wheels for something a bit lighter.
Should I go alloy or carbon as I mainly do road and light gravel and single track. Bugget of about £800 .
Which is better Alloy or Carbon #askgcntec #TorqueBack
doing a good job & like this
@veloartbike make amazing work and custom painting job , Ccs. Venezuela 🇻🇪
This bike was really easy to assemble th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
repair carbon = ad weigth ... don't tell Oli he will go mad as he did on the Gravel bike video! good video very useful still wondering why some need a carbon fibre bike why some others don't and there is the answer why some of us resist and belive more on steel titanium and even Aluminum ... because to can repair the bike but take away the concern of the one who knows that this bike is a repair /broken bike.
Aluminium isn't repairable
Amazing content love it
Sounds expensive
Depends on the extent of the damage and where you go. For a good job and paint it'll set you back £200ish
#askgcn Hi guys, I've recently changed my chain and cassete, I've left the chain the same lenght but the cassete is now R8000 11-32, and the old one is HG800 11-34. There was a spacer underneath the bigger cassete which didn't came with the new one. Should I have left it on the bike or not? New Ultegra Cassete is mounted and it is fixed/doesn't wobble or anything.
If they are both 11 speed cassettes and the first one needed a spacer then the replacement should have a spacer too.
Can a frame be repaired? Yes, and GCN should know since they covered this already (th-cam.com/video/k7e004bfHyY/w-d-xo.html). Also, Calfee is well-suited for carbon repair.
Next up from GCN - Should you ride your bike blindfolded?
Très interessant bravo 👏👍🇫🇷🚴🏻♂️
but how much is it
Wonder if I can see mine 👍
Can you look at sun through telescope? Yes, exactly two times.
2:25 Carbon repair specialists clamping the frame...
Wasn't there a GCN video where they talked about not clamping it by the frame recently? 😂🤷
That’s because CBR are cowboys. In my experience I’d avoid this company at all cost. All that shines isn’t gold!
Nope, I can't ride a broken carbon frame because I wouldn't own one to begin with. Problem solved.
Repair is strong, weakens other torque spots on bike .. the answer is . No.
Ollie hates rim brakes this much to break a frame!
re-upload?
ANUTHER VIDEO ALREADY COVERED BY GCN THE REWRITING OF MATERIAL IS GETTING OLD NOW
POGACAAAAR!
he would not ride it even with disc brakes
I wonder if they've been on the phone to Canyon...
Alux titanium the best carbone no for amateur bad experience
If that’s sworks frame is fully rideable and just sitting in the grave yard. I’ll be more than willing to take that off your hands.
Don’t believe what Rob the owner says I’m afraid I’m my experience the fella is a liar!
@@petermorrell5422 Please elaborate with some proof.
@@paulb9769 what kind of ‘proof’ do you need or expecting? I have email chains between them , myself and my insurance company where they go back on their word. This is not the best forum for those to be shared.
@@petermorrell5422 What was the damage and what did they go back on? I just want to get a better understanding.
@@petermorrell5422you seem to be lying. You are the only one with a bad story. You can’t produce any evidence. Not sure if you run a competing company or are just an internet troll. It literally nobody believes your lies
These guys should get an environmental sustainability tax break
Carbon frames I'd be comfortable riding. Carbon wheels...? No.
Well, that was an interesting 7 minutes..
So what im getting from this is carbon frames are ok to repair but not carbon wheels got it
Sixth?
6:04 looks awkward, two men, facing each other, looking eye to eye, hands on pockets
#askgcntech are fixed broken carbon fiber frames safe to ride just like non broken ones
Im watching this because my brother bike is broken the carbon gets cracked
Local bike shop has a wall with road frames hanging on it that suffered sudden catastrophic failure with normal riding. There are a lot of them and some are modern expensive ones, some of the riders are now in wheel chairs..... yeah n,f,t,h
This video could have been ten seconds long, the answer is no.. that why no sane person buys a carbon Mt bike/gravel bike
But is it cost effective to have your carbon fiber bike repaired? Not as easy to answer.
Carbon Grave Raider....
I would never accept a repaired carbon frame, sorry. You are going 60mph downhill and if any of those cracks they DIDN'T see, suddenly gives way by a small hump in the road and you fall off. It might be the last thing you do in life. Sorry, but these single peace molded frames only last until the first crack appear.
Trust me. It's NOT worth it. On top of that, it's one of those things that if it isn't done nearly perfect you're risking your life. Save your bacons.
The thing is, how do you know that your frame was made properly in the first place or hasn't got damage that you are unaware of? If you accept that it's reasonable to ride a carbon frame to begin with, why wouldn't it be reasonable to ride one that has been professionally repaired? Why would you necessarily trust a professional carbon bike repairer less than the bloke on the factory who did the layup and the factory's QC? At least you know that if it has been repaired, it has probably been inspected more carefully than it ever was when it left the factory.
Carbon Bikes are more POP💥....ular😂
Infomercial
Ti solves many problems 😅
- how to tell if somebody rides titanium?
- they will tell you themself
Lifetime warranty if original owner on Lynskey frames
@@feedbackzaloop I don't ride 😁
Titanium can snap/fatigue just as any metal can
@@Gobtik good luck with that
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Carbon fibre does not repair once fracture has taken place..
It does when you put more layers onto it.
Nahhh. Waste of money.