Surface Pro Copilot+ review: Microsoft finally solved the Windows on Arm dilemma.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- It's taken 12 years, but Microsoft has finally made an Arm-powered Surface tablet that senior editor Devindra Hardawar doesn't want to toss out of a window.
The new Surface Pro, one of the company's first Copilot+ AI PCs, is astoundingly fast and power-efficient, thanks to Qualcomm's new Snapdragon X Elite chip. It can run native Arm apps well - but even better, it can also emulate older apps without much fuss. Basically, Microsoft has finally managed to do what Apple did with its M-series MacBooks four years ago.
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The built in kickstand is one of the best features of the Surface and what sets it apart from the competition; the fact that it's your biggest con is baffling.
Never let dude cook again
Most reviewers gripe about the kickstand not being lap top compatible. Like a... laptop.
Totally agree. I love these detachable windows tablets. Sometimes I just want to use the digital pens that come with them, and I do not want to have to fold it in half. With the detachable keyboards, it makes it easier to do this when all you want to do with use the pen and on-screen keyboards for writing and typing.
What about the iPad? Are you going to talk about how it is unbalanced when you get the keyboard?
Yeah if u don't like it just don't use it 🤷
If your criticism is that the kickstand makes it hard to use in your lap, I think that what you want is the Surface Laptop... It's right there in the name.
😂😂 FR.
The kickstand is a great feature. If you don't want it you have a lot of competitors to chose from.
I completely disagree with your opinion about the build in kickstand. This is the big saling point to me because it makes it's so perfect for media consumption where you don't want a keyboard in front of you - only the screen. When you connect it to an external monitor including a desktop keyboard it's also very nice to be able to remove the attached keyboard from the surface pro and use the kickstand. It's such a nice setup. If you want a perfect lap-top (without a kickstand), then go with the surface laptop.
Not sure why you said the Surface Pro has no tablet mode. Windows 11 introduced the tablet UI a while ago. when you detach the SP11 from the keyboard, the taskbar should autohide and turn into a smartphone-like gesture bar and the UI elements get larger touch targets, including Edge browser if you have the tablet mode enabled. I've been using my Surface Book 2 like this for about 2 years now and it's a large improvement compared to W10's janky and inconsistent tablet mode.
Devindra, at 4:45 you are holding a Surface Pro with both hands, inches from a tabletop, where you could easily use the kickstand, the keyboard, or both. You look like a guy who has suffered for years using an iPad with no kickstand and has never learned to properly use one. Then, to top it off, you complain that the Surface even has a kickstand. Please stop reviewing products you don't know how to use, since reviews like this are worthless.
Yeah, the person is pretty clueless.
It's typical for Engadget reviewers.
Can't believe how expensive the keyboard is..
I bought the keyboard and feel like MSFT should provide me with something extra for paying so much
I agree. The keyboard and pen should automatically be included.
Apple users: "First time?"
You just got a new follower from Nigeria. You've answered my questions on the Surface Pro. Thanks
"Don't want to throw it out the window", give it a year or two and you'll still want to throw it out the window. They don't care about the quality of their products, all they do is chase the next hype cycle.
I bought the OLED version. As far as computing on the Surface that has been fine so far. Only my Yeti X mic is not being recognized within the Logitech software. I had to keep playing with my monitor connections through my hub to get the right resolutions. The graphics output from the new Surface has been a disappointment. I haven't traveled yet to see if the OLED was worth the few extra hundreds. One thing nice is all those chargers and hubs I had with my old Surface pro 6 all still work :)
The kickstand is okay, it would be cool if they blended the kickstand design with the microsoft surface book design. Id buy that!
I could have sworn that's what they were going to do before then axed the Surface book (one of their best devices yet) and brought the abomination that is the Surface Studio.
@@abdul9 That is why I loved the Surface Book lineup, the detachable keyboard. I do not want to have to fold down the Surface Studio screen in half and try to carry that around. That is just too much weight.
@@stevenalexander4721 I also love the Surface book but then they discontinued it for no reason. The only thing the Surface book was missing was a kickstand when one wanted to use it without the Keyboard. Surface book is one of the best 2 in ones I have ever owned.
lots of mixed reviews on this. need to let the dust settle
I think it will come down to use case. I think those that do typical Mac user type things (they like lots of video editing) this will be average if not worse than a Mac
For gamers… They’ll probably be disappointed
For those that do standard work and analysis (which is me) then this is great and snappy. I have the base model and very happy. Much faster than my surface pro 9 and the extra battery life is real and appreciated.
I guess I probably don’t push the machine in ways that some other users (gamers / creatives) do?!….
@@reinam3882 yes it’s fine. I haven’t tried in this device but in older ones was good, I used to use kindle and / or kobo apps. You can even have android store apps on a surface but I haven’t tested that on these new ones.
If I’m honest though. I would prefer on an iPad (reading) if choosing. Just easier to pick up and better to use as an out and out tablet. I see surface pro as more laptop than tablet which is what I needed to pair with an iPad (I just like working off screens and pens rather than actual laptops but need the desktop environment).
Lastly windows hello is pretty decent as Face ID log in which also helps.
If only it was as thin as the Surface Pro X
Most people actually like it the problem is they talk about if you have certain software that you really need to use, but this is like Apple‘s beginning because when Apple first switched to arm fully, it took on two years to get everything together even if so, let’s say you wanna get actual computer work done and you’re looking at this or an iPad This actually could really maybe beat out the iPad in a lot of areas depending on software as this is really a computer for real whereas the iPad I love it, but it’s not a computer and they don’t want it to be because then it will mess with their Mac area.
Honestly Microsoft needs to create a bundle option. Give you say $200 off for bundling the new "flex" keyboard with your device and give us another 50% off for adding the new stylus pen as well. So the low end Microsoft Surface Pro 11 with LCD would be $1250 and the higher end with OLED would be $1750. And they're pricing these at a premium. They should drop the base prices IMO by $100 by default and start at $899 (LCD version) and $1349 (OLED version). But what do I know... 🤷🏻♂️
The base model is $900 with student or military discount. That's how I got mine
Panos Panay left the Surface team at Microsoft before the launch of this device, which I thought felt weird at the time of departure. Now, after they pulled/retracted the Recall feature, then, maybe, perhaps, Panos would have been less “pumped” about it… maybe even ‘deflated’. He’s settling in at Amazon now so, maybe we’ll see an awesome new Kindle with a kickstand running Android, with a keyboard cover and a pen.
You can get a lower tier Surface Pro. It starts at $999 and you can choose the keybaord. It has an LCD screen and tests have shown its not much slower.
Does the translated captions work with Microsoft Teams Video calls?
i have the base model surface laptop 7 and love it! its truly all i need as a writer... if you dont play hardcore new games, i think the base model SL7 is the perfect choice, great battery and speed, its truly awesome and beautiful looking too, the surface pro here also seems cool, but pricey! for a smaller screen and i feel too many compromises, unless youre an artist on the go ;)
I think $1599-2000 is too high a price for a laptop with those limitations. There may not be many, but even one no-go is too many. I'll take slow but it has to work.
On the up, upside if this thing has quirks, and the newest ones don't do too well, then might be able to get a price drop and some more ARM in the wild for tinkering around with.
Microsoft really needs to start bundling the keyboard with this. It's inexcusable at this point not to
Because they give you choice like what color, whether you want wireless (is your laptop keyboard wireless? I don't think so ). And a lot of people have previous keyboards. Plus you have keyboards ranging from $30 to $350
I don’t get why people keep saying this. Including the keyboard wouldn’t save you any money, it’d just raise the base price by $350. If you need both, buy both, and then you’ve created an included keyboard bundle for the same price you would have paid if Microsoft did it.
First person actually complaining about the kickstand.
Beautiful machines
So, it's a 2-in-1 laptop/tablet but they removed tablet mode ⁉🤔
do old drivers for printers and all work?
A lot of them come built into windows and a lot of manufacturers have made arm versions too. Like I didn't expect my Canon pixma pro 100 to work but it does
No, printer drivers do not work. You have to use the built-in Windows drivers.
@@chfgn some manufacturers have made arm drivers for their printers already. Canon is one
I hardly ever see anyone use it as a tablet….like I use my iPad in my hands….so maybe they don’t need it to be a tablet anymore…I would rather have the surface laptop 😊
The online community gave up on Surface without the keyboard many years ago, but I don’t think that enthusiast community really reflects how normal people really use it. I use my Surface Pro 9 without the keyboard about 90% of the time and it’s just fine.
They do a lot on a couch in their home
Windows is free for surfaces?
I will probably go for the second gen. I would like it to contain 5G as well, it is mobile architecture, after all.
Is it better than an s9 Ultra?
No not at all
@@simaknaveedakther8755 why
Strange question.
This “review” is ass. You should review it for what it is, not what you want it to be. Compared to other tablets, lapability is much improved. Try holding the Tab S9 Ultra and tell me how comfortable (or lapable, for that matter) is. The fact that it even has an integrated kickstand is amazing.
Similarly, the Surface Pro has not been made of magnesium alloy in a while. I think starting with the SP8 they switched to aluminum, and in the product page for the SP11, it states that it uses 100% recycled aluminum for the kickstand and “bucket”, which I assume is either the portion that holds the kickstand, or an internal designation for the entire rest of the tablet.
Either way, this review was as bad as any of those YT influencer reviews.
I still have my Tab S7 and love it. I chose the smaller one because I have a lot of e-books and it is the perfect size to hold in my hand, like most of my books when reading. I do not think that I would ever buy the Ultra lineup because of their size and price. At that point, I might as well just buy a regular laptop or the surface pro lineup for the similar form factor since they can do so much more. If you are using the Tab S lineup for media consumption, then the Ultra is great for the large screen size but for day-to-day stuff like email, web browsing, reading, and things like that, I prefer the smaller ones.
What is the Surface Pro ? It the best device on the market ) Simple
Wow, looks pretty good!
Good review.
I love the battery life and formfactor but I've had at least a dozen BSODs in a week.
How
0 bsods here on my pro 11.
2:32 you have your Creativity set far too high!
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This video host seems confused. I think he might be going through reverse puberty.
The Surface Pro is not a laptop it is a tablet. The Kickstand and now the ability to use a detached keyboard cover enhances the use case. Unfortunately the biggest problem is Windows OS has a UI (User Interface) that is not optimised for Tabets. I think now that Windows Tablets have really arrived and the rising Windows Handhelds should encourage Microsoft to optimise Windows OS for Touch and pen as a priority.
I use my Surface Pro 9 in tablet model quite a bit. I sounds like you are a little confused.
There is no confusion. I haven't said that you can't use it as a Tablet. You can and since the birth of the Surface Pro many people have used it as a Tablet. The argument is that the user experience is less than desirable for it to be used only as Tablet. When you compare the user experience of using it as a tablet compared to an Android Tablet or an iPad there is a significant difference and it more on the negative side for the Windows alternative.
Concerning your last sentence, the Surface Pro is absolutely optimized for pen, and Windows has been optimized for pen since Windows XP Tablet PC Edition. But you are right that the problem has always been finger touch which was improved in Windows 8 and 10 before they took a step back in Windows 11.
Snapdragon X Elite 🔋🔋🔋💪👌
That's a lot of money for rabbit cartoons.
less of you on the screen and more using the machine please, less fuzzy closeups
Excellent review
For $2000 i got a gaming laptop from Lenovo... Yeah it is bulky but it does entertainment and work related tasks quite easily.
AI is oversaturated.
We’ll talk in another 10 years
This is just first generation with enough NPU.
Over saturated means everyone have over powered NPU, let's see if it happens on 2035.
It’s a laptop with a detachable keyboard and less battery life
Lets have one without copilot.
I have not used copilot since it was first introduced on the preview build, which I am now leaving.
So gaming sucks now on Windows!! Got it.
I don't think these are meant to be gaming laptops...
@@miserj I said Windows as an OS.
@@AliAbidalkareem Indeed! Linux all the way!
@@miserj Proton still has problems with EA games that use anti-cheat such as Madden. Until that is resolved, it's still Windows all the way.
@@piratesmvp What is weird is Apex Legends, another EA game, has anti cheat and works perfectly in Linux/Proton. So I'm not sure what their excuse is. I take the hard stance of if it doesn't work in Linux then it wasn't worth playing in the first place.
Not worth the price tag. Have the x elite 16gb 500gb ssd. Will be returning. Does not handle anything you throw at it. Laggy when playing 4k videos. Slow and laggy when watching Netflix. I was hoping for it to replace my MacBook Air M1 and iPad Pro m2 but Nope. MacBook Air M1 runs way smoother. Price tag should be $899 for the way it's performing.
That’s a shame I was hoping for the same thing, replace my MacBook and iPad
$899 is too expensive for this exoerimental device. $600 can buy brand new macbook air m1 which is better in every aspect and just works
Not really, I will buy a business model running real windows. Then spend some considerable time making sure Copilot is disabled, mic and camera disabled in bios. My Surface 5 is getting old, but I will NEVER buy ARM. At least you can buy the relatively cheap 4 year extended warranty, given the high failure rate of the Surface over the first 2 years.
1500 on windows easy pass
I got the base model for $900. Much better price than the $1400 macbook
Oh shut up Devindra
Microsoft is going down anyway.
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