"Thunder wave has a "decent" chance to paralyze" "Clear body prevents flinch" "Ice beam is not a strong attack" *twisted dimensions returned to normal* "Looks like skill swap has ended" WTF these commentators.
"Ice Beam is one of those moves you bring in to kind of attack Pokemon's weaknesses, it's not known for being a universally.. high attack." 10/10 Commentary
Oh my goodness, these commentators are awful. I watched the 2013 and 2014 finals before watching this video and the contrast is astounding. It's like they went up to two random guys and said, "Hey, do you know a lot about Pokemon? We need some people to talk during the match." and they replied, "Yeah sure, I almost beat a Pokemon game once. What was it called?... Dungeons of Mystery or something." "Fantastic! You're in."
These commentators knowledge on Pokemon is just brilliant, you must agree. "Thunder wave has a decent chance of paralyzing", thats exactly the information i needed watching the 2012 world championships.
Oh, it has a decent chance of paralysing the opponent... ok, whats its primary effect since it does no damage..., let me read its move description: Thunder Wave paralyses the opponent. Paralysed Pokémon have a 25% chance of not being able to attack, and their Speed is decreased by 75%. 100 Acc in Gen 1 - 6. Their favourite pokemon are gen 5 starters at a gen 5 world finals... a 5 year old could do better than these idiots.
"And Cresselia is not well known for hit points right" Cresselia's based stats HP:120/Attack:70/Def:120/Sp.A:75/Sp.D:130/Spe:85 On god that bitch can take hits like a truck
+Swaggy Overlord 50% speed drop 25% para hax 100% acc how hard is to know that or better yet how hard it is to get their jobs lmao dumb morons hired to do things that a kid could do better than them.
André Fumis In general, a paralyzed Pokémon runs a 25% risk of losing their turn due to full paralysis. In addition, the afflicted Pokémon's Speed decreases to 25%. Bulbapedia so I was wrong. Thanks
hands down, worst commentating ive ever heard at any level for any event. How these two managed to get this job is unbelievable. I could have done a better job at commentating.
It seems as though that one guy is actually from the Pokemon Company who has basic knowledge, and the random dude just has no clue. The basic knowledge is quite boring for commentating as well.
They both thought that the other person knew what they were talking about lmao. Metagross isn't that surprising here..right? yeah eeee uhhh metagross is uhh with the earthquake is eehhh probably good against errr wolf's team. -2012 commentators (Keep in mind that wolf at this point has his cress and hitmontop out).
"Psychic types are not the strongest" a nice description of the commentary; very vague, and no real follow-up. You can say that for 90% of all types/pokemon. What are you talking about? Not to mention psychic types ARE very strong (sp.-wise ofc) Just let me do the commentary, guiz. My stream of consciousness is waaay better than any two thoughts you can string together, individually, or simultaneously. If you pay for my trip I'll do it for free at any Fest to prevent your Cringe-fest. Plz consider guiz, you'll be doing YOURSELVES a favor. I'm not charity, but its volunteer work I'm happy to do for the sake of the Pokemon community, AND my ears
wolfe and ray should do a reaction wideo, followed by a rematch with the same teams but in the current games with aaron commentating. that would be so awesome!
Joel H gimmick meaning it was just purely OP things, very little thought process. every team was kyogre/groudon+ rayquaza/xerneas. that was it. those things would one hit everything. it was almost as bad as vgc 2011. vgc 2014 and 15 were actually fun, pokemon could take 2 - 3, even 4 hits, and made switching worthwhile, but this was just weather wars and which pokemon you didn't want to get one hit switches
Brian Scalabrine aka GOAT I thought that was exactly what you meant - funny though Wolfe is kind of the king of switching so pulling it off in that format/meta is still impressive
@Anarchy TV i belive they say it in the video, its so the opposing player won't be able to tell the exact amount of damage the attacks do, but I probably heard that wrong as well
I like Ray's double use strategy from trick room to defensive power. The teams are really good in specific times and congrats to Ray for winning and Wolfe to making runner-up. Gonna be good to see what the finals will include next year.
Ray winning that first game after Wolfe getting 2 lucky crits turn 1 is one of the sickest things I've ever seen still. No one thought he could bring it back and he made Wolfe forfeit. What a legendddddddd
'Thunder wave has a decent chance of paralysing the opponent' I'm so glad they're auditioning now fr the commentators, maybe we'll get someone who actually knows about the game :/
Thunder Wave doesn't have less than 100% accuracy, though. It will always cause paralysis unless the opponent is immune to Paralysis or immune to electric type attacks.
What program is this and how do they get their pokemon in the game? I'm not familiar with competitive battling and how to get ready, but I would really like to know how what you described works.
Wolfe got crit with both pokémon on the first turn against Ray's team. The odds of that are 1/2500... So, y'know, kind of a big deal. 252+ Atk Choice Band Terrakion Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Metagross: 256-303 (85 - 100.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO Terrakion's crit on Metagross definitely mattered as it's unlikely Ray's Metagross had no defensive investment. I'm happy to see that Ray ends the last game with a decisive crit after he began to pull ahead, CRUSHING Wolfe's hopes and dreams of becoming a pokémon master. While that crit likely didn't matter in the grand scheme of things, it's just the principle of the thing.
I feel a little bad for the commentators, honestly. They tried their best to provide commentary, but they just didn't know enough about the game to do it well. Hope they're doing well these days.
In Ruby onward, Shinies have no difference from the normal ones other than coloration. In Gen2 (GSC), Shinies have better-than-average attributes called IVs in Defense, Special (This Special IV is used for Sp. Atk. and Sp. Defense for backwards compatibility), and Speed IVs. And it's Attack IV must be certain values. But in the end, it means relatively little. That's why I have never seriously bred for Shinies or hunted them.
I know a lot of people are hating on the commentators but they are doing a pretty good job. They're target audience is the people who aren't that good at Pokemon so they are trying to explain every move that is taken and with the speed of most games it is pretty hard to keep up.
"Sandstorm increases attack damage for rock and ground type moves" "thunder wave has a decent chance to paralyze" "Cresselia isn't known for hitpoints" "psychic types generally aren't very strong" and this is only the first match
@TheCompleteJerk ok thanks but so how does that affect there stats? And these kids clearly have a couple hacked pokemon do you know what's up with that?
I believe that the people in the live audience were watching both POVs, so they hid the HP on both. I believe we got to watch just Ray's POV, but kept the censor nonetheless.
yeah... it gets kinda boring seeing the same things over and over.. however if you try and come up with something original you lose to those same pokemon just cause they are the best :/ lame... then if you do find something original and it works it will be copied becoming what everyone else will use.
+serenekyogre These guys aren't playing to entertain you. They're playing to win the World Championships. They used the best options that were available to them in order to maximize their chances.
You are right. I was only considering how bored I was seeing the same Pokemon on many teams. I had assumed that other people wouldn't enjoy it too, since it was repetitive. However, when you speak of using the best options, I do believe there are other lesser-known choices for a competitive team that are barely given the chance to perform. For example, since Thundurus and Landorus often make an appearance, perhaps someone could bring in a Lapras with Icicle Plate and set up with one Dragon Dance. That should OHKO Landorus. (Thundurus needs two Dragon Dances) Of course, the person may switch, but then you have a Dragon Dance nicely set up. And I also wonder why Stunfisk is not used for competitive battling. Give it a Balloon and it can survive enough to land two devastating special attack moves. It can learn Surf, Electric moves, Earth power and even Pain Split, which keeps it alive even longer. Sometimes, I give a Choice Scarf to a Pokemon with base 60 speed. It might sound dumb and pointless, but it surprises opponents when a supposedly slow Pokemon (Gogoat, Kricketune) strikes first. I have also OHKO'd a Hydreigon with X-Scissor from a non-Mega Beedrill holding Focus Sash under influence of Swarm. And there's Dunsparce that can survive almost any non-Fighting type move because of it's awesome HP. Then it uses Body Slam with Serene Grace and every hit has a 60% chance of paralyzing and hits hard due to STAB and Silk Scarf. Part of my inspiration to use lesser known Pokemon comes from watching a competitive battle where a Trainer used Pachirisu to win. That blew my expectations. Even to me, Pachirisu was something I had no hope for. It showed many people that choices for competitive Pokemon are wider than we think. Therefore, I am interested to see how 'weak' Pokemon can be used as a valuable asset to the team, further proving that it is possible to use Pokemon that you love and still win.
+serenekyogre you need to remember two things. First, something that was touched on already: this is not meant for your entertainment, this is to win games.Second, you need to remember that Smogon tiers don't exist. There is no such thing as neverused in VGC, there are only banned mons and usable mons. If you want to watch NU, go to Smogon's yt page and look up NU matches or whatever suits your fancy. VGC is not for you.
+serenekyogre Allow me also to tell you why the options you gave are entirely unviable: Scarfed Landorus-T superpower ohko's Lapras 75% of the time, banded Lando-T superpower ohko's Lapras 100% of the time. It outspeeds lapras regardless. Additionally, Lando-T can u-turn and chunk lapras for 41-49% hp, and can switch to Thundurus-I. Thund-I eats anything Lapras can throw at it and lose less than 25% hp, while getting a guaranteed ohko with tbolt. Thund-I also has a prankster twave, which is its main purpose. Stunfisk is entirely outclassed by Thundurus as a status spreader, due to Thund's Prankster twave, infinitely higher speed, and higher power. There is also no reason to use offensive stunfisk because it has abysmal speed, is outclassed by pokemon such as Zapdos, and it instaloses to water-types like Azumarill. If you are going to put a choice scarf on a pokemon, it must have the power and longevity to back it up. Kricketune's base 85 attack, weaknesses to common types like rock and fire, and abysmal bulk make it a waste of a team slot. Gogoat also has a weakness to fire, and poor physical bulk in a very physical meta. Beedrill is also outsped by most common threats, so two attacks before it can do anything means a very dead pokemon. Additionally, since Focus Sash would be the only thing making it even remotely usable, there are no mind games to be had. As a Serene Grace user, Dunsparce gets outclassed by Jirachi (who has a better offensive presence AND better coverage AND more resistances AND higher bulk) and Togekiss (see Jirachi). Finally, while the Pachirisu was cool, it only got even a glance because Thundurus was unavailable in vgc14, and Thundurus outclasses Pachirisu in every way.
I must give you credit for posting an argument of such detail. I won't argue on your points except that you may have forgotten about Lapras having Ice Shard. I have OHKO'd a few Landorus or Thundurus (admittedly in cloud form) after setting up with Dragon Dance. As you know, Ice Shard always strikes first. It's been a while since I played Smogon so I can't remember the exact number of Dragon Dances needed. (Of course, electric attacks can one-hit Lapras so it's better to set up before the cloud Pokemon switch in) In other words, it definitely can do more than 25% to their cloud forms. I must concede 2 things, though. The first is that experienced players probably won't let a Lapras set up with 2 Dragon Dances. Next, the professional players would remember it has Ice Shard and will strike first so they won't switch in Thundurus/Landorus.
Watching the 2000 world championships off of an N64 looks more appealing than this DS era… no hate, actually it’s unfortunate that gen 5 didn’t have a stadium or battle revolution. Also, what’s up with all the shiny legendaries??
Yes, 13 year olds can enter this. You just have to earn yourself a high place in your country to even be allowed into this kind of tournament. Instead, you can enter the Regional tournaments that are being hosted around the US and UK, or wherever you're from. And for ages 11 to 14, the age division is Seniors.
"Thunder wave has a "decent" chance to paralyze"
"Clear body prevents flinch"
"Ice beam is not a strong attack"
*twisted dimensions returned to normal* "Looks like skill swap has ended"
WTF these commentators.
Ikr
Don't forget he said " looks like hitmontop going to DIE next turn"
Also Sandstorm does not boost power of rock moves which he said
@@raylewisfan6112 or ground lol which he also said
Don’t forget sandstorm boosting ground and rock type moves
"Ice Beam is one of those moves you bring in to kind of attack Pokemon's weaknesses, it's not known for being a universally.. high attack."
10/10 Commentary
237 likes and no answers? Just.. wow.
His Statement was kind of half correct to be fair which is why you see cress a psychic type even have ice beam.
I don’t even know what that’s supposed to mean honestly lol
“each player sees the same screen just from a different point of view”
“Thunder wave is one of those moves with a good chance to paralyze”
Oh my goodness, these commentators are awful. I watched the 2013 and 2014 finals before watching this video and the contrast is astounding. It's like they went up to two random guys and said, "Hey, do you know a lot about Pokemon? We need some people to talk during the match." and they replied, "Yeah sure, I almost beat a Pokemon game once. What was it called?... Dungeons of Mystery or something." "Fantastic! You're in."
lol
"It seems like Thunder Wave has a big chance of paralysing (did I spelled it correctly?) the target"
I don't want to live in this planet anymore
the worst part was "Cresselia is not know well for hit points..."
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These commentators knowledge on Pokemon is just brilliant, you must agree. "Thunder wave has a decent chance of paralyzing", thats exactly the information i needed watching the 2012 world championships.
Oh, it has a decent chance of paralysing the opponent... ok, whats its primary effect since it does no damage..., let me read its move description: Thunder Wave paralyses the opponent. Paralysed Pokémon have a 25% chance of not being able to attack, and their Speed is decreased by 75%. 100 Acc in Gen 1 - 6. Their favourite pokemon are gen 5 starters at a gen 5 world finals... a 5 year old could do better than these idiots.
@@baronsionis6855 paralysis cut the speed by 50% not 75
@@WheelStart starting from gen 7, yeah. Pre gen 7 paralysis reduced speed by 75%.
-An amazing bulk of 120/120/130
"Cresselia is not well known for Hit Points."
lol, he is only the biggest wall in vgc rules
"Water types are weak to fire"
- Brock
Jokes aside I actually love how much this community has improved since back then. GG everyone. GG.
game freaks changed twave accuracy to 90 to make the commentators right lol
Lol
"And Cresselia is not well known for hit points right"
Cresselia's based stats
HP:120/Attack:70/Def:120/Sp.A:75/Sp.D:130/Spe:85
On god that bitch can take hits like a truck
Unfortunately
Cresselia is my main ^^ i agree
that didn't age well now did it
i think he meant dps wise
"Thunder wave has a decent chance of paralyzing."
Can't argue with that, a decent chance of 100%.
Well yeah. it's not 100% accurate to hit
This was 2012 Bench....
TheLastChary your thunder wave could miss
da gawd it couldn’t until gen 7, where they lowered the accuracy
This isn't even a commentary. It's just one guy asking questions and another guy answering them...
Answering them incorrectly at that
"Thunder wave has a decent chance of paralyzing"
W. T. F.
+Swaggy Overlord 50% speed drop 25% para hax 100% acc how hard is to know that or better yet how hard it is to get their jobs lmao dumb morons hired to do things that a kid could do better than them.
+bladorac 75% speed drop...
André Fumis In general, a paralyzed Pokémon runs a 25% risk of losing their turn due to full paralysis. In addition, the afflicted Pokémon's Speed decreases to 25%.
Bulbapedia so I was wrong. Thanks
dont worry in todays age it can miss
Legend has it... These commentators are still learning gen 2 mechanics.
"sandstorm gives 1.5x boost to rock type moves." What the fuck are they talking about
Ik what it actually does is boost spdf by 1.5 if the poke is rock type
maybe he's thinking of the sand force ability?
+Stephen Gibbon lol sand stream + sand force all at once
"Flash fire attracts fire moves", ok man...
hands down, worst commentating ive ever heard at any level for any event. How these two managed to get this job is unbelievable. I could have done a better job at commentating.
Lol they think thunder wave has a chance to paralyze XD
It seems as though that one guy is actually from the Pokemon Company who has basic knowledge, and the random dude just has no clue. The basic knowledge is quite boring for commentating as well.
dylan souza They already knew about VGC 17 😅😂
They both thought that the other person knew what they were talking about lmao. Metagross isn't that surprising here..right? yeah eeee uhhh metagross is uhh with the earthquake is eehhh probably good against errr wolf's team.
-2012 commentators (Keep in mind that wolf at this point has his cress and hitmontop out).
this commentators don't know anything about pokemon
Right. I mean they should have at least some pre knowledge you'd think.
Commentators: so when all 4 Pokemon faints, we might have a winner
such noobish commentators
Should of gotten JR and Jerry Lawler or Dusty Rhodes XD
You outsped me lol
OMG WHAT A MOVE FROM RIZZO!!!!!- JR
Not sure these commentators have ever played pokemon before
"Psychic types are not the strongest" a nice description of the commentary; very vague, and no real follow-up. You can say that for 90% of all types/pokemon. What are you talking about? Not to mention psychic types ARE very strong (sp.-wise ofc) Just let me do the commentary, guiz. My stream of consciousness is waaay better than any two thoughts you can string together, individually, or simultaneously. If you pay for my trip I'll do it for free at any Fest to prevent your Cringe-fest. Plz consider guiz, you'll be doing YOURSELVES a favor. I'm not charity, but its volunteer work I'm happy to do for the sake of the Pokemon community, AND my ears
"Soo each player will se the same battle but with different points of view?" OMG he is joking right????
"So is thunder an electric type?"
"Right"
wolfe and ray should do a reaction wideo, followed by a rematch with the same teams but in the current games with aaron commentating. that would be so awesome!
"Dimensions return to normal = skill swap ending"
"Metagross has inner focus"
"sandstorm boosts attacks."
Morons
When this was live, were the commentators getting slaughtered in the chat
I wish we had the commentator you can hear in the background, he sounds like he knows more than what you could read on bulbapedia in 5 minutes
the fact that they say the plural of pokemon as "pokemons" says everything
And now my boy Wolfe finally winning in 2016, ahh
ya he won a complete gimmick VGC and lost every other year rofl
Brian Scalabrine aka GOAT honest question what do you mean by gimmick?
Joel H gimmick meaning it was just purely OP things, very little thought process. every team was kyogre/groudon+ rayquaza/xerneas. that was it. those things would one hit everything. it was almost as bad as vgc 2011. vgc 2014 and 15 were actually fun, pokemon could take 2 - 3, even 4 hits, and made switching worthwhile, but this was just weather wars and which pokemon you didn't want to get one hit switches
Brian Scalabrine aka GOAT I thought that was exactly what you meant - funny though Wolfe is kind of the king of switching so pulling it off in that format/meta is still impressive
@@INeedHerPomPomJuice I know this is 4 years later, but that is literally the opposite of a gimmick.
That trick room play on 11:25 was so good.
lol this commentary
also 120base hp mid tier?
Wolfe's face at 26:52 lol :( happy he got his retribution in 2016 such a nice guy
@Anarchy TV i belive they say it in the video, its so the opposing player won't be able to tell the exact amount of damage the attacks do, but I probably heard that wrong as well
@@IBeheadGroids88I do love how they say that and then they show their screens without the black bars from a different angle 😂
I like Ray's double use strategy from trick room to defensive power. The teams are really good in specific times and congrats to Ray for winning and Wolfe to making runner-up. Gonna be good to see what the finals will include next year.
"Wolfe looks stunned" lol Wolfe is awesome, what a guy
I couldn't help but LMAO at that critical hit at the very start XD know that feel, bro.
国境を超える最高のゲームを趣味にできて良かったわ
Ray winning that first game after Wolfe getting 2 lucky crits turn 1 is one of the sickest things I've ever seen still. No one thought he could bring it back and he made Wolfe forfeit. What a legendddddddd
"A decent chance of Paralyzing the pokemon"
Thunder wave does paralyze the pokemon!!!
These commentators are so cringy to a veteran pokemon player
Saying "I'm a veteran pokemon player" is pretty cringy too :P
Craig true
these commentators are aweful
these commentators talk about really basic things like fighting being ineffective against psychic. 2013 and 2014 wayy better
"Fake out move" and "Sandstorm attack" a decade later and the commentators are still wrong
'Thunder wave has a decent chance of paralysing the opponent' I'm so glad they're auditioning now fr the commentators, maybe we'll get someone who actually knows about the game :/
How do you get competitive shinies in gen 5? Seems impossible legitimately much less legendaries
"It looks like thunder wave might aLWAys paralyze" I had to laugh at that part
The announcers are real people. They exist in the real world. They are completely serious with their commentary.
Let that sink in.
The close combat on cress was a misclick
I find it so cool how you can battle these guys in Black 2
7:43 "So it looks like thunder wave might always paralyze"
"Ray Rizzo begins with Hydroguen and Metagross"
Hydrogen is my favorite pokemon
@@joe-ib1wn 😂😂😂😂
When you attack Cresselia with Close Combat, you're going to have a bad time.
Cresselia is BL2, which is between UU and RU. Heatran is OU. This is an OU battle in which all pokemon OU and lower are allowed.
How do you enter in these tournaments?
Thunder Wave doesn't have less than 100% accuracy, though. It will always cause paralysis unless the opponent is immune to Paralysis or immune to electric type attacks.
or already is paralyzed ^^
"it looks like thunderwave will always paralyze" me-who wouldve fucking thought
"skill swap just ended" WTF
What program is this and how do they get their pokemon in the game? I'm not familiar with competitive battling and how to get ready, but I would really like to know how what you described works.
Do they actively seek out commentators that don't know the mechanics of the games?
4:30 God Tier commentary.
Wolfe got crit with both pokémon on the first turn against Ray's team. The odds of that are 1/2500... So, y'know, kind of a big deal.
252+ Atk Choice Band Terrakion Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Metagross: 256-303 (85 - 100.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
Terrakion's crit on Metagross definitely mattered as it's unlikely Ray's Metagross had no defensive investment.
I'm happy to see that Ray ends the last game with a decisive crit after he began to pull ahead, CRUSHING Wolfe's hopes and dreams of becoming a pokémon master. While that crit likely didn't matter in the grand scheme of things, it's just the principle of the thing.
Hey he bounced back after his dreams were crushed LOL
I feel a little bad for the commentators, honestly. They tried their best to provide commentary, but they just didn't know enough about the game to do it well. Hope they're doing well these days.
See, THIS is a really good match-up. Not just a Spore-fest.
2013 final? Lol I fucking hated that!
And people complain about sleep clause in smogon >_>
spore-fest
jajajajajajaaj i just watched the 2013 final
Ryusoke walked right into that setting up trick room for Arash's Amoongus...
LMAO
This was a funny bit of nostalgia
In Ruby onward, Shinies have no difference from the normal ones other than coloration. In Gen2 (GSC), Shinies have better-than-average attributes called IVs in Defense, Special (This Special IV is used for Sp. Atk. and Sp. Defense for backwards compatibility), and Speed IVs. And it's Attack IV must be certain values. But in the end, it means relatively little. That's why I have never seriously bred for Shinies or hunted them.
I know a lot of people are hating on the commentators but they are doing a pretty good job. They're target audience is the people who aren't that good at Pokemon so they are trying to explain every move that is taken and with the speed of most games it is pretty hard to keep up.
"Sandstorm increases attack damage for rock and ground type moves"
"thunder wave has a decent chance to paralyze"
"Cresselia isn't known for hitpoints"
"psychic types generally aren't very strong"
and this is only the first match
Worst. Commentators. Ever.
I know you can obsessively breed/soft reset to get shinies, but when both sides send out two shiny Pokemon first thing... It just looks suspicious.
Dedication at its finest
@TheCompleteJerk ok thanks but so how does that affect there stats? And these kids clearly have a couple hacked pokemon do you know what's up with that?
have these commentators ever played pokemon before?
theres always the mute button
I believe that the people in the live audience were watching both POVs, so they hid the HP on both. I believe we got to watch just Ray's POV, but kept the censor nonetheless.
Ray didn't really seem that excited to win...
im sorry, but how tf do you get trick room and skill swap confused???
POKEGEN
is there world championships for generation 4 still?
the commentators are so noobs like wow
Of course it does. You should have seen Hulk Hogan back in 2007's tournament. (He wasn't fighting btw, he was just doing an interview)
I always see the same like 8-12 pokemon in these things. Maybe not even that many. I'd like to see some original and creative strategies.
yeah... it gets kinda boring seeing the same things over and over.. however if you try and come up with something original you lose to those same pokemon just cause they are the best :/ lame... then if you do find something original and it works it will be copied becoming what everyone else will use.
+Jack Bandit >VGC16 : ^)
Se Jun Park: Say no more!
In that case I'll be watching out for you at the next tournament.
Why always Uber Pokemon? Let other Pokemon take the spotlight! Both teams use only NU and lower tier Pokemon.
10/10 would watch.
+serenekyogre These guys aren't playing to entertain you. They're playing to win the World Championships. They used the best options that were available to them in order to maximize their chances.
You are right. I was only considering how bored I was seeing the same Pokemon on many teams. I had assumed that other people wouldn't enjoy it too, since it was repetitive.
However, when you speak of using the best options, I do believe there are other lesser-known choices for a competitive team that are barely given the chance to perform.
For example, since Thundurus and Landorus often make an appearance, perhaps someone could bring in a Lapras with Icicle Plate and set up with one Dragon Dance. That should OHKO Landorus. (Thundurus needs two Dragon Dances) Of course, the person may switch, but then you have a Dragon Dance nicely set up.
And I also wonder why Stunfisk is not used for competitive battling. Give it a Balloon and it can survive enough to land two devastating special attack moves. It can learn Surf, Electric moves, Earth power and even Pain Split, which keeps it alive even longer.
Sometimes, I give a Choice Scarf to a Pokemon with base 60 speed. It might sound dumb and pointless, but it surprises opponents when a supposedly slow Pokemon (Gogoat, Kricketune) strikes first.
I have also OHKO'd a Hydreigon with X-Scissor from a non-Mega Beedrill holding Focus Sash under influence of Swarm.
And there's Dunsparce that can survive almost any non-Fighting type move because of it's awesome HP. Then it uses Body Slam with Serene Grace and every hit has a 60% chance of paralyzing and hits hard due to STAB and Silk Scarf.
Part of my inspiration to use lesser known Pokemon comes from watching a competitive battle where a Trainer used Pachirisu to win.
That blew my expectations. Even to me, Pachirisu was something I had no hope for. It showed many people that choices for competitive Pokemon are wider than we think.
Therefore, I am interested to see how 'weak' Pokemon can be used as a valuable asset to the team, further proving that it is possible to use Pokemon that you love and still win.
+serenekyogre you need to remember two things. First, something that was touched on already: this is not meant for your entertainment, this is to win games.Second, you need to remember that Smogon tiers don't exist. There is no such thing as neverused in VGC, there are only banned mons and usable mons.
If you want to watch NU, go to Smogon's yt page and look up NU matches or whatever suits your fancy. VGC is not for you.
+serenekyogre Allow me also to tell you why the options you gave are entirely unviable:
Scarfed Landorus-T superpower ohko's Lapras 75% of the time, banded Lando-T superpower ohko's Lapras 100% of the time. It outspeeds lapras regardless. Additionally, Lando-T can u-turn and chunk lapras for 41-49% hp, and can switch to Thundurus-I. Thund-I eats anything Lapras can throw at it and lose less than 25% hp, while getting a guaranteed ohko with tbolt. Thund-I also has a prankster twave, which is its main purpose.
Stunfisk is entirely outclassed by Thundurus as a status spreader, due to Thund's Prankster twave, infinitely higher speed, and higher power. There is also no reason to use offensive stunfisk because it has abysmal speed, is outclassed by pokemon such as Zapdos, and it instaloses to water-types like Azumarill.
If you are going to put a choice scarf on a pokemon, it must have the power and longevity to back it up. Kricketune's base 85 attack, weaknesses to common types like rock and fire, and abysmal bulk make it a waste of a team slot. Gogoat also has a weakness to fire, and poor physical bulk in a very physical meta.
Beedrill is also outsped by most common threats, so two attacks before it can do anything means a very dead pokemon. Additionally, since Focus Sash would be the only thing making it even remotely usable, there are no mind games to be had.
As a Serene Grace user, Dunsparce gets outclassed by Jirachi (who has a better offensive presence AND better coverage AND more resistances AND higher bulk) and Togekiss (see Jirachi).
Finally, while the Pachirisu was cool, it only got even a glance because Thundurus was unavailable in vgc14, and Thundurus outclasses Pachirisu in every way.
I must give you credit for posting an argument of such detail. I won't argue on your points except that you may have forgotten about Lapras having Ice Shard. I have OHKO'd a few Landorus or Thundurus (admittedly in cloud form) after setting up with Dragon Dance. As you know, Ice Shard always strikes first.
It's been a while since I played Smogon so I can't remember the exact number of Dragon Dances needed. (Of course, electric attacks can one-hit Lapras so it's better to set up before the cloud Pokemon switch in)
In other words, it definitely can do more than 25% to their cloud forms.
I must concede 2 things, though.
The first is that experienced players probably won't let a Lapras set up with 2 Dragon Dances. Next, the professional players would remember it has Ice Shard and will strike first so they won't switch in Thundurus/Landorus.
why would wolf close combat into creselia? instead of the tyranitar?
finger slip
World champ difference
Wow. Them announcers. GTFO.
Four awesome shinies hitting the field is real epic!
Watching the 2000 world championships off of an N64 looks more appealing than this DS era… no hate, actually it’s unfortunate that gen 5 didn’t have a stadium or battle revolution. Also, what’s up with all the shiny legendaries??
he is, THE actual, pokemon master o.o
Poor snivy, where are my snivy lovers!? How can he not be one of your favorites!
A metagross goes down "Both terrakion go down"
Do you bring your own pokemon? And can they not be passed level 50
1 question are they playing in like a ds or ?
They are created with perfect stats, like all mons used in competetive play.
Yes, 13 year olds can enter this. You just have to earn yourself a high place in your country to even be allowed into this kind of tournament. Instead, you can enter the Regional tournaments that are being hosted around the US and UK, or wherever you're from. And for ages 11 to 14, the age division is Seniors.
I could commentate with much more efficiency. But I appreciate their efforts.
there are things people can do to increase their chances at shinies, on top of the fact that they breed and hunt for shinies CONSTANTLY
they playing wireless nintendo connection or local?
What's the price if you win this?
Is this is in Pokemon Black and White 2, or Black and White?
where can i find the game they are playing? om me pls
Where is this tournament held at?
I've also noticed the amount of Shinies in these world tournaments.
Man our boy Wolfey got rekt gg, glad he got a title of his own later on but you gotta wonder if we'll ever have someone as dominant as Ray again
"It looks like Thunder Wave *always* Paralyzes"
You'd think they'd know the mechanics of the game before commentating the World Championship Finals...
didn`t know that they were actually championships about pokemon games xD coooool