If you think about it, Climb behaves in the exact same way as the NPCs of Nazarick. There's nothing that Renner could have said that Climb wouldn't have interpreted in the best way possible for her sake. Meaning, even if later she admits to being a willing participant in all that had happened, Climb would just believe that Renner is trying to take all the guilt on herself just so he feels better. Seems like the people of the Kingdom have 'obliviousness' as a common trait amongst them all.
he would more realistcally think that she did this to at least save herself and clim because that was litterally the best she coudl do in said situation, which is technically true. if you dont mind that the act of betrayal could not bee needed if she sweared loyalty to him
Renner could even act and show her true personality to him freely. He'd just believe the demon transformation made her this way. I think he's too far gone to actually see any faults in her.
@@BRatindustrys That excuse might not work. Once he becomes a demon, if he doesn't notice any sort of change in his own personality, then it would be strange for Renner to exhibit such.
@@blacklight1104 exactly! When you get someone selfish and in love, at least portray it for what it is. I mean, if a character is evil, and that evil is flaunted for what it is, then it's easier to stomach, and we may actually like the character.
in the anime evil eye kinda warned climb to not go to dark path to achive power it will be very funny for me if climb now as a demon can beat evil eye in the name of renner or just beaten her peotecting renner
Something ironic I find about Renner's plan is that forcing climb to do some horrific acts is probably gonna turn him into something different than her "puppy". Doing things that go completely against his beliefs and personality will likely change him so much that it would be hard to recognize him. And then Renner will be stuck with the Climb she made for all eternity.
Or doing those things will break him even more and leave him so emotionally scarred that she would just have to care for him. His being feeble after the reincarnation is totally playing to her kink, so him being emotionally feeble and isolated will likely work for her.
“Let me say it, Marquis Raeven. Heed my words, Climb. If you were blindly devoted to her, I wouldn’t be telling you all this. However… I feel that you’ve been deceived by that monster. That’s why I’m telling you, in good faith, about her monstrous nature. At first , I thought she was simply inept at dealing with others . Then , while discussing the matter with Marquis Raeven , I realized that she might already have accounted for that . Once I realized that , everything fell into place . If that was really the case , then she would be a woman who , while locked up the palace , could manipulate the nobles as she desired . What is that , if not a monster?" - Prince Zanac
well, she was psychopathic to the core. lots of serial killer have likeable personality persona and very smart. I remember one of the most famous one have IQ of 150 or smth
the funny thing is that, as long as she stays in nazarick and does nice things to climb, those count as good actions that will raise her karma slowly from -500 to a positive value sooner or later.
Technically her original plan just have the Kingdom become vassal state. The death of 9 millions is not entirely her fault, but due to Phillip's stupidity and the last straw is Zanach's death which caused Ainz to completely want to destroy everything.
@@johnwong5317 Giving Ainz the motivation to destroy everything means that calamity of the Death God has befallen over the Kingdom of Re-estize to exact the consequences to what they have done to their future rightful king.
@@MikMaster10 cuz this world wasn't Yggdrasil, and people sometimes only have so much talent. I mean, unlike the players, these people done have experience points - the levels only reflect how powerful their training and talents have made them.
Renner exchanging/sacrificing a kingdom and many lives in exchange for power and immortality (as granted by the race change), reminds me a bit of Evil Eye’s life events, albeit with a more malicious twist. Also, reminds me of the antagonist of full metal alchemist. Actually, this kind of pursuit is very common in fantasy, right?
Another similarity I noticed was that Renner has these Pinhead cube things, while Zeshi has her own cube in the form of a Rubik's cube. I think it's supposed to hint at something but I haven't figured it out yet.
You think Antilene (Zesshi Zetsumei's given name, according to the light novel) will get a Fallen Seed? From where, the Slane Theocracy treasury she guarded? If from Ainz or his subordinates, what can she offer to prove herself worthy of such a gift?
Renner's original plan just have the Kingdom as vassal state, then Phillip happened and the death of Zanach just make Ainz so angry that he deemed the majority of Kingdom not fit to spare.
He's probably referring to the Frost Virgins (yukionna from 'Yggdrasil') who aid him in guarding Cocytus' floor, accompanied him to Re-Estize, and preserved Brain's corpse on the Floor Guardian's orders.
The real truth is this. She is the part of the story that gets the happily ever after. Literally a happily (EVER!) after! It was a really nice touch that she did the anti-Disney Princess happily ever after song at the end. Nice touch.
I think you just need a sufficiently low karma rating to become one killing the orphans probably did 90% of the work in that department then when that wasn't enough because she did so much good prior she killer her father
Renner is terrified of ainz ... because she can't read his actions and what is his plan .... because there is none I laugh so hard after reading this 😂🔥🔥
Same thing that effects the Floor Gaurdians and top Ainz people. His results should be from massive detailed plans so him winging it and being very lucky don't enter their minds. Note Ainz is not as foolish as he thinks he is as well a lot of guesses are actually educated guesses. And he runs things just like when he was leading players he gets the actual experts to work together and get things done he really was a great leader for the type of people he had and has under him. In Business school high skilled/ low need for supervision.
@@RedRocket4000 ainz was a worker and a good one ..not a boss ..and he was a pro in game ...PvP was kinda his favourite even tho he had a role playing build and still he was kicking ass ..like he was in the top 100 players ... I know he is good .....but sometimes he does things so simple like helping them and they think he is playing with them .. demiurge will think this is ainz plan 😂like it's so epic to watch .
Schäärgocks Schächsaß I was wondering. Could you please do a Ainz Ooal Gown vs ALL video. And by ALL i mean that all of the Dragons Lords, the Dragon Emperor + Empress & Powerfull beings from before The 6 Great God came to the new world, came back to life with (full strenght). In combination with all of the Players & NPC's from the 6 Great Gods to Ainz himself, aslo came back. And the whole world United Fully Armed & fought with everything the got agains Nazarick.
the world would win when the opponents finish thair mana essentially. but they will just being able to restrain them and send them to anothe rdimension with the dragon lords wild magic i guess. lv100 tends to be hard to kill
Of course, Ainz saw right through Renner! That is why Ainz played the part of the 'evil Overlord' vs Climb.....now Renner has to work as hard as she can to repair her relationship with Albedo!
I wonder how Ainz would feel to have one person in his court who is not solely devoted to him. I get the impression that Climb would only be truly loyal to Renner. That would certainly overlap with loyalty to Ainz most of the time. I suppose the choice may never come up, or Ainz may find it refreshing to have someone in court who's main attention is focused on someone else.
Is Climb becoming an Imp canon in the Light-Novels or something? Cause I think it would become a different kind of demon, preferably something easily turned into a dark knight type of character
Na I think she smart enough to plan thinks in a way for him to have no choice but to do those things but think he doing it for the benefits of her or the good of mankind.
Is it said what was it that Sebas learned that got one of the top two Demons so hot and bothered to pay her a visit in the first place? I'd kill to be a Fly on the Wall at that first meeting of Demiurge and Renner.
Have you read some of the original Grimm fairy tails? Those are dark as a black guy at night standing in the shadow Little mermaid died, Sleeping Beauty wasn't woken from a kiss but from her twins kicking in her womb after that prince raped her, the step-sisters of Cinderella cut of pieces of their feet so the magical glass shoe would fit...
@@jotheunissen9274 Note as Sleeping Beauty was fine with prince doing that the term rape is debatable and as he had to start having the huge family demanded of being head of a clan in those days he either had his kids with her or he had to dump her and take someone else. Different values in a different time.
For Climb’s race change: does that device allow someone to race change to something other than a demon? If so, would Climb be able to race change to something like an angel in order to circumvent the karma requirement of race change to a demon?
The Fallen Seeds can only change one into an Imp, i.e., a demon. To become an Angel, one needs Wings of Ascension, a different race change item altogether.
@@schaargock deng. Cause there was this theory that AOG the peak of what a genius is. That he doesn't need to think of things, everything he does is pure calculated genius that he himself is not aware of . Kinda like he is too big brained that his intelligence is like instead of the person controlling the character, he is the one being controlled by the very character that he created. I feel like AOG might have merged with the AI within AOG character. But still enough with that, This just shows that AOG is best written Villain/Hero Oh...and also...I feel bad for Climb. I wonder what would happen if he meets sebas there .
Naively blind is a more fitting term. Plus it was described that he doesn't have much in the way of talents so that at least explains it. Philip's is more along the lines of deluded and Remedios' is more akin to fanaticism.
@@mine7172 LOL yep to make not so smart typical teen to feel they are the same. Side Note: Fairy Tale power of friendship part of the magic system people who complain about it there while being fine with demon powered up people from evil acts are illogical and just want bad guys to win.
Yet you don't realize everything good in life for Climb all provide by Renner. Climb is just an orphan hungry kid suffering at back alley, if Renner didn't save Climb, he would die a dog death, starving to death with nobody care and nobody even bother to remember him. Now again without Renner, Climb would die for a Kingdom so rotten. Quite frankly, Renner is not the main caused of Kingdom's massacred, she may planned everything, but Phillip's stupidity and the Nobles that killed Zanach is what Ainz decided the Kingdom is not worth even exist since those Nobles could turn against him in the future.
@@johnwong5317 Yep in part a evil view that has great logic to it. If you take people that have suffered great abuse and many learned to abuse in turn to survive no matter what you do many will continue to abuse non matter what rule there is. In example kids form abuse many are likely to abuse their kids only way to prevent any kids from being abused is kill them all. Also the choice to have a free society you are allowing more violence and crime to exist at least somewhat than a well run totalitarian state that has not became too corrupted. Although that does not count the violence and oppression done by the state this best described as when the criminals take over they don't tolerate competition.
If you think about it, Climb behaves in the exact same way as the NPCs of Nazarick. There's nothing that Renner could have said that Climb wouldn't have interpreted in the best way possible for her sake. Meaning, even if later she admits to being a willing participant in all that had happened, Climb would just believe that Renner is trying to take all the guilt on herself just so he feels better. Seems like the people of the Kingdom have 'obliviousness' as a common trait amongst them all.
he would more realistcally think that she did this to at least save herself and clim because that was litterally the best she coudl do in said situation, which is technically true. if you dont mind that the act of betrayal could not bee needed if she sweared loyalty to him
That or he’d think her mind was manipulated by magic
Renner could even act and show her true personality to him freely. He'd just believe the demon transformation made her this way.
I think he's too far gone to actually see any faults in her.
@@BRatindustrys That excuse might not work. Once he becomes a demon, if he doesn't notice any sort of change in his own personality, then it would be strange for Renner to exhibit such.
@@BRatindustrys he leveled up into a simp subclass too hard. Started putting points into Greater Simp.
Renner is my favorite Disney princess.
I was going to say "Awesomely Sinister Disney Princess". lol
Most Loved Sinister Disney Princess 😍👍
Indeed. Now THIS is how you make strong and independent princesses Disney. Take notes! XD
Yes
@@blacklight1104 exactly! When you get someone selfish and in love, at least portray it for what it is. I mean, if a character is evil, and that evil is flaunted for what it is, then it's easier to stomach, and we may actually like the character.
in the anime evil eye kinda warned climb to not go to dark path to achive power it will be very funny for me if climb now as a demon can beat evil eye in the name of renner or just beaten her peotecting renner
Something ironic I find about Renner's plan is that forcing climb to do some horrific acts is probably gonna turn him into something different than her "puppy". Doing things that go completely against his beliefs and personality will likely change him so much that it would be hard to recognize him. And then Renner will be stuck with the Climb she made for all eternity.
Ainz could let him do it then change his memory that he didnt do such a horific things but some easy trial
He is Still her puppy even her future sex toy slave.
Are their dog in overlord 😂
Might be, or Climb might already be so mentally broken that he does whatever Renner asks without thinking much more about it.
Or doing those things will break him even more and leave him so emotionally scarred that she would just have to care for him. His being feeble after the reincarnation is totally playing to her kink, so him being emotionally feeble and isolated will likely work for her.
“Let me say it, Marquis Raeven. Heed my words, Climb. If you were blindly
devoted to her, I wouldn’t be telling you all this. However… I feel that you’ve
been deceived by that monster. That’s why I’m telling you, in good faith, about
her monstrous nature.
At first , I thought she was simply inept at dealing with others . Then , while discussing the matter with Marquis Raeven , I realized that she might already have accounted for that . Once I realized that , everything fell into place . If that was really the case , then she would be a woman who , while locked up the palace , could manipulate the nobles as she desired . What is that , if not a monster?"
- Prince Zanac
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I understand she wanted to be with climb but to think she'd kill 9 million people... oh god her karma point is beyond -500 💀
well, she was psychopathic to the core.
lots of serial killer have likeable personality persona and very smart. I remember one of the most famous one have IQ of 150 or smth
the funny thing is that, as long as she stays in nazarick and does nice things to climb, those count as good actions that will raise her karma slowly from -500 to a positive value sooner or later.
Maybe she nukes a City once in a while to keep the negative karma
Technically her original plan just have the Kingdom become vassal state.
The death of 9 millions is not entirely her fault, but due to Phillip's stupidity and the last straw is Zanach's death which caused Ainz to completely want to destroy everything.
@@johnwong5317
Giving Ainz the motivation to destroy everything means that calamity of the Death God has befallen over the Kingdom of Re-estize to exact the consequences to what they have done to their future rightful king.
Awesome 😂👍🏻climb description was right on the money! Crouch dog 🐕😂
The knight in shining armour unlocking his power from deep within, the golden princess saved from the forces of darkness... what an ending!
Note to Rian Johnson: THIS is how you subvert the audience's expectations, not the garbage you threw together for 'The Last Jedi'!
well, he probably did. the ring activated and he probably surpassed lv40 in that hit. not enough, but still quite a feat.
@@doublehit9165 sadly, climb was capped at lv20. Though the ring did make him lv25 for a brief moment.
@@johnanderson3559 why was climb capped at level 20?
@@MikMaster10 cuz this world wasn't Yggdrasil, and people sometimes only have so much talent. I mean, unlike the players, these people done have experience points - the levels only reflect how powerful their training and talents have made them.
Renner exchanging/sacrificing a kingdom and many lives in exchange for power and immortality (as granted by the race change), reminds me a bit of Evil Eye’s life events, albeit with a more malicious twist.
Also, reminds me of the antagonist of full metal alchemist. Actually, this kind of pursuit is very common in fantasy, right?
Another similarity I noticed was that Renner has these Pinhead cube things, while Zeshi has her own cube in the form of a Rubik's cube. I think it's supposed to hint at something but I haven't figured it out yet.
You think Antilene (Zesshi Zetsumei's given name, according to the light novel) will get a Fallen Seed? From where, the Slane Theocracy treasury she guarded? If from Ainz or his subordinates, what can she offer to prove herself worthy of such a gift?
Doing evil/immoral things to gain power is a very common human trope, not just a fantasy one.
@Suhrit Yogi Yes. I just think there's supposed to be some symbolism going on.
Renner's original plan just have the Kingdom as vassal state, then Phillip happened and the death of Zanach just make Ainz so angry that he deemed the majority of Kingdom not fit to spare.
I would like to know more about Cocytus' girlfriends.
Edit: I see you're a man of culture as well with that The Office reference.
Cocytus had a girlfriend? Our warrior maniac Cocytus?!
@@mine7172 🥶
He's probably referring to the Frost Virgins (yukionna from 'Yggdrasil') who aid him in guarding Cocytus' floor, accompanied him to Re-Estize, and preserved Brain's corpse on the Floor Guardian's orders.
@@longtsun8286 Bingo. I made a picture explaining it with 🥶 and 🧊 emojis but it got censored.
Ah, the things we do for true love.
The real truth is this. She is the part of the story that gets the happily ever after. Literally a happily (EVER!) after!
It was a really nice touch that she did the anti-Disney Princess happily ever after song at the end. Nice touch.
4:28 Yeah. The frost virgins gave a big hint!
Looking at climbs character sheet after this arc hurts
Pause, is that an Overlord AND Fallout New Vegas enjoyer??? Goated Channel.
I think the condition is father slayer, instead of king slayer
Kin slayer as Renner murdered her kin
I just want another SEASON 🔥🔥🔥🔥😭😭😭and many more 🔥🔥
Oooh that scene where renner tried to swing razor edge made sense now
Schäägocks is literally my father 😩😩😩
Special thanks to....
Princess Renner is the best waifu and you can't change my mind. I sympathize with climb here.
Does becomeing a demon lower your karma score or does it only require it?
I think you just need a sufficiently low karma rating to become one
killing the orphans probably did 90% of the work in that department
then when that wasn't enough because she did so much good prior she killer her father
its kind of implied that she needed to kill her own father to be able to fully transform so i assume you have do lower it yourself.
to go to -500 you need to perform a lot of bad deeds, but quantity can replace severity of them so she didnt really needed to kill people that way
That Crazy Smile of Renner, if you remove naberal and albedo from story, i think shes gonna be my absolute waifu.
I like her more now that she’s mask off
Renner is terrified of ainz ... because she can't read his actions and what is his plan .... because there is none I laugh so hard after reading this 😂🔥🔥
Same thing that effects the Floor Gaurdians and top Ainz people. His results should be from massive detailed plans so him winging it and being very lucky don't enter their minds.
Note Ainz is not as foolish as he thinks he is as well a lot of guesses are actually educated guesses. And he runs things just like when he was leading players he gets the actual experts to work together and get things done he really was a great leader for the type of people he had and has under him.
In Business school high skilled/ low need for supervision.
@@RedRocket4000 ainz was a worker and a good one ..not a boss ..and he was a pro in game ...PvP was kinda his favourite even tho he had a role playing build and still he was kicking ass ..like he was in the top 100 players ...
I know he is good .....but sometimes he does things so simple like helping them and they think he is playing with them .. demiurge will think this is ainz plan 😂like it's so epic to watch .
Will you be addressing Mare's thoughts, while he was in the city of E-Rantel? And what impact this may have on Nazarick's NPCs.
She just loves playing the good girl…when it suits her.
I think when she wanted to try the sword, that was when she was a demon, at the very least anyways.
Good video as
Always :)
When ever I think about clime I think about a good puppy 😂
Ding Dong is my favorite supporter
The condition to turn into an imp must be having at least -100 karma value.
Schäärgocks Schächsaß I was wondering. Could you please do a Ainz Ooal Gown vs ALL video. And by ALL i mean that all of the Dragons Lords, the Dragon Emperor + Empress & Powerfull beings from before The 6 Great God came to the new world, came back to life with (full strenght). In combination with all of the Players & NPC's from the 6 Great Gods to Ainz himself, aslo came back. And the whole world United Fully Armed & fought with everything the got agains Nazarick.
the world would win when the opponents finish thair mana essentially. but they will just being able to restrain them and send them to anothe rdimension with the dragon lords wild magic i guess. lv100 tends to be hard to kill
Aniz would pull out a ton of cash items and win
Yoooo new vid
I think has more racial change items like demi-golems, undeads and ángels and another two with random racial change.
Of course, Ainz saw right through Renner! That is why Ainz played the part of the 'evil Overlord' vs Climb.....now Renner has to work as hard as she can to repair her relationship with Albedo!
The princess looked good in that dress with those red bottoms not gonna lie. Hope climb becomes a bad ass dark knight or something.
I wonder how Ainz would feel to have one person in his court who is not solely devoted to him. I get the impression that Climb would only be truly loyal to Renner. That would certainly overlap with loyalty to Ainz most of the time. I suppose the choice may never come up, or Ainz may find it refreshing to have someone in court who's main attention is focused on someone else.
it was pretty obvious she was going to do something, for sure lets hide all the treasures EXCEPT the sword.
I am wondering how they will transform Climb into an imp.
I like renner tho I know what she is crazy but she what she wanted you know
Is Climb becoming an Imp canon in the Light-Novels or something? Cause I think it would become a different kind of demon, preferably something easily turned into a dark knight type of character
Hey do you think you could find a way to save the kingdom and when your theories
Will Climb really be able to go through with it though?
Na I think she smart enough to plan thinks in a way for him to have no choice but to do those things but think he doing it for the benefits of her or the good of mankind.
What kind of sacrifice that climb need to fulfill to change race into a demon? Kill human? Renner might kidnap some human for climb to kill
I'm conflicted on whether or not I want Brain to be revived.
Not brother Barbara! 😱
Is it said what was it that Sebas learned that got one of the top two Demons so hot and bothered to pay her a visit in the first place? I'd kill to be a Fly on the Wall at that first meeting of Demiurge and Renner.
Dark Disney princesses 🥺🥺🥺
Have you read some of the original Grimm fairy tails? Those are dark as a black guy at night standing in the shadow
Little mermaid died, Sleeping Beauty wasn't woken from a kiss but from her twins kicking in her womb after that prince raped her, the step-sisters of Cinderella cut of pieces of their feet so the magical glass shoe would fit...
@@jotheunissen9274 *the prince and the king (her father iirc?)
@@blacklight1104 That's so much worse
@@jotheunissen9274 yes it is. Maybe Grimm brothers had an inspiration from real life examples.
@@jotheunissen9274 Note as Sleeping Beauty was fine with prince doing that the term rape is debatable and as he had to start having the huge family demanded of being head of a clan in those days he either had his kids with her or he had to dump her and take someone else. Different values in a different time.
For Climb’s race change: does that device allow someone to race change to something other than a demon? If so, would Climb be able to race change to something like an angel in order to circumvent the karma requirement of race change to a demon?
its a seed of *evil* that pretty much precludes angels i'd say should be obvious.
The Fallen Seeds can only change one into an Imp, i.e., a demon. To become an Angel, one needs Wings of Ascension, a different race change item altogether.
@@longtsun8286 that would be some cool iconography/fanart, Angel climb blindfolded and wrapped in black chains by demon Renner.
Nice Benny (fallout new Vegas) reference.
LOL f****** Benny
Why do people allways underrastemed Mare not just in universe but in the fandom asswell isn't he like the 5th strongest in the great tomb of nazarick
Depends on what you value as strength. Raw strength? Then that's rubedo. Defensive? Albedo. Battle sustain? Shall tear. Utility then Aura
Here before 10 minutes
One question, does renner fear AOG?
Yes
@@schaargock deng. Cause there was this theory that AOG the peak of what a genius is.
That he doesn't need to think of things, everything he does is pure calculated genius that he himself is not aware of .
Kinda like he is too big brained that his intelligence is like instead of the person controlling the character, he is the one being controlled by the very character that he created.
I feel like AOG might have merged with the AI within AOG character.
But still enough with that,
This just shows that AOG is best written Villain/Hero
Oh...and also...I feel bad for Climb.
I wonder what would happen if he meets sebas there .
Good thing you don't do 40k Videos. You would be analyzing Thousands of Chaos cultists for years.
In my opinion Climb is one of the dumbest characters in Overlord series along with Philip and Remedios.
He's our typical MC of manga that uses friendship as power of course he's dumb.
Naively blind is a more fitting term. Plus it was described that he doesn't have much in the way of talents so that at least explains it. Philip's is more along the lines of deluded and Remedios' is more akin to fanaticism.
@@mine7172 LOL yep to make not so smart typical teen to feel they are the same.
Side Note: Fairy Tale power of friendship part of the magic system people who complain about it there while being fine with demon powered up people from evil acts are illogical and just want bad guys to win.
Disgusting acts that are not related to Renner's fantasies?
Perhaps Renner enjoys seeing climb stick his sword into an unexpecting maiden
this is possibly, your horniest video yet lmao
Yup a lot of people keep saying this a good ending for climb. Simps.
Yet you don't realize everything good in life for Climb all provide by Renner. Climb is just an orphan hungry kid suffering at back alley, if Renner didn't save Climb, he would die a dog death, starving to death with nobody care and nobody even bother to remember him.
Now again without Renner, Climb would die for a Kingdom so rotten.
Quite frankly, Renner is not the main caused of Kingdom's massacred, she may planned everything, but Phillip's stupidity and the Nobles that killed Zanach is what Ainz decided the Kingdom is not worth even exist since those Nobles could turn against him in the future.
@@johnwong5317 Yep in part a evil view that has great logic to it. If you take people that have suffered great abuse and many learned to abuse in turn to survive no matter what you do many will continue to abuse non matter what rule there is.
In example kids form abuse many are likely to abuse their kids only way to prevent any kids from being abused is kill them all.
Also the choice to have a free society you are allowing more violence and crime to exist at least somewhat than a well run totalitarian state that has not became too corrupted. Although that does not count the violence and oppression done by the state this best described as when the criminals take over they don't tolerate competition.
Bro really milking the topic of renner like how renner milks climb 😳
Need me a girl like this
first
8min
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