@@bbxg6228 I'm pretty sure the Macan holds it's value better... but the lack of space in the rear seats is a concern for me, and not practical for an SUV.
Finally a car company that understands that on demand AWD cars should primarily be real wheel driven. Scumy Germans put that FW-biased Haldex into everything and save the RW-biased Haldex for superexotics only.
it's the only review testing the car on a track, while every others are testing it in a straight line, which is really pointless. plus it's the only SUV that handles well, so it's good to see to which limit it can get. Circuit performance is a direct indicator for driving pleasure
alfa romeo despite some percieved and perhaps accurate reliability issues is building amazing cars at bargain prices compared to the competition. The stelvio is the best SUV since the cayenne and its the sportiest out there right now!
Carlo Calò Levante looks so ugly that’s why there aren’t many of them on the road. Porsche Cayenne would be a better choice, but the Jag is the best looking SUVs in the market right now.
5th Gear team - you should have pitched the alpha against the 237bhp f pace 2.0 Diesel as its a much better match for power and performance (not price)
Super happy to stumple upon this episode airing on Quest this evening. Great to see the old talent with current content! Honestly, the section on changing the ignition systems seemed a bit pointless beyond entertainment. Perhaps it would be better if it went in a more topical direction showing how modern systems work. It could go a bit nerdier and still fit the fifth gear ethos. Overall the show was great and I'm happy the formula's not been messed with. Looking forward to more.
Just see how "pace full" he drives the Stelvio with one hand and how he struggles to keep the i-pace on track. The body and head motion cannot lie and patching front rear unbalance with electronic garbage is an Audi type front heavy failure..Stelvio has biggest rear overhang and short cutted front of all SUV's, by far and the Nordschleife winner...only 20sec. slower than a Guilia Quadrifoglio better top speed but harder on tyres with higher CG height. Who said dogs???
Both amazing cars, although I strongly prefer the Alfa. I wonder why would they ever put the 2.2L Diesel engine in a shootout? The 2.0L Turbo is far superior and much more powerful. That's just a shame.
Diesel engines are much more common and cheaper to run in the UK. They would not feature the 2.0 petrol engine in a review over here because hardly anyone would buy it.
@@christianolssontravels Rediculous! The standard Stelvio is about 200kg lighter than the F-Pace, and handles much better. And the 2.0 280 is a rocket... 0 to 62mph in 5.7s. The Quadrafoglio is also faster than the SVR, and held the fastest lap of an SUV on the Nurburg Ring in 2017.
I totally agree with you 👍 the jaguar f-pace is just a hyped up car. A total letdown. I've come to realise I've thrown away 30g that could get me another flat and make ten times on that.
1.Space for multiple people/ going out with friends. Nobody wants to sit in a cramped crowded back seat. 2. Performance if you pay for it 3. Versatility for weather, as I live in a city where snow is on the ground half the year
@@Billiamiscool I cant think of any wagon that looks better than any of the SUVs(Macan, Stelvia, F Pace) I'm looking to buy right now. I'm also looking for speed.
@@Billiamiscool it's obviously a nice car but I guess I just dont like the elongated look of station wagons. The name station wagon even sounds unattractive lol
Jaguars with left steering wheel have massive issue. Driver legroom is limited meaning pedals are towards centre so operate acclerator your right leg is in weird angle as centre tunnel gets wider clpser to the floor. Literally any drive over 15 minutes is very uncomfortable. As pedals are offset it also means breaking is compromised as steering column is in the way of knee. Massive dissapointment and engineering failure, seems to be issue with other models sharing same interior. Even with Alfas quality issues, Jag loses out no matter what you do.
Not necessarily a brilliant comparison, not between the cars in general, but the particular models tested. Stelvio was in sportiest trim with the more powerful diesel, F Pace was in the softest, most luxurious trim with the run of the mill diesel. If it was like for like, it would have been a lot closer.
Most people would still go for the Jag, it's much prettier and more practical. Easier to live with, service etc. and probably a bit more reliable. If speed were more the priority; go for a nearly new Macan... Alfa does some very beautiful cars like the Giulietta, but the Stelvio looks too short and dumpy.
Fun and all, but being realistic, you didn't cover anything related to what would a family need in a diesel SUV like these two. what are you even doing?
Wondering which would be better at driving up and down a quarry cause these two have to have a little offroad capability even though for the most part they're going to see tarmac or city streets.
Probably the jag, there'll be some land rover tech in there and they have more than enough experience in that field unlike alfa who only have experience in electrical fires.
@@stephenrobson6480 depends on ground clearance and eventual reduced gear for doing swamps and rocky trails, other that for gravel, snowy road Lancia used to do rally racing, so there is tech available ...
Seriously, what is the point of a 'shoot out' between underpowered cars? The only people who buy these underpowered versions DONT CARE about shootouts. Get the topline Alfa SUV and put it up against the FPace SVR. any other comparison is simply worthless.
If I'm after an engagement car to drive I wouldn't take SUV any way... lets put it that way: if it is Giulia vs XE no doubt I'll take the gorgeous italiana... but Stelvio vs F-Pace... well the Jag is just the better SUV and the track time is not relevant to my choice
Given both the power and weight advantage enjoyed by the Alfa, what was the point of this foregone conclusion exercise? Sure, Fifth Gear needs content however, track time, although interesting, is largely nonsensical. Surely fit & finish including comfort levels and economy would be the relevant aspect for a purchase decision? FFS.
von Coconut They don’t have time to get into all that, they are race drivers with limited time. If you want facts figures specs etc... look at the countless reviews on TH-cam car channels. Most of those reviews don’t put the car to test like these trained professionals. So stop being a moaning whingebag.
Alan B. A little critical thinking wouldn't come to harm here, Alan. Why would race drivers with limited time waste that time getting lap times from a couple of oil burning SUV's? Millions have been spent in the design and manufacture of these cars and none of that effort had Jason Plato and Anglesey circuit in mind. The episode was a dull as dishwater however, if it caused you excitement why not take a garden chair to the nearest roundabout and watch the traffic go by. Incidentally, the answer to your question as to why 'trained professional race drivers' waste their time doing this - to everyone's embarrassment - is because it puts bread on their table.
I'm looking at buying either an F-Pace or Stelvio. My decision will largely be based on driving experience. And this video was definitely helpful in that respect. Think about it...
Alfa Romeo Stelvio is the king of this crossover segment!
Sykee
Porsche Macan is better 🤷🏼♂️
@@bbxg6228 you can't fit in the back seats, dealers are double the price at every visit, and still weighs 100kg more (at least).
@@bbxg6228 The Stelvio 2.0 petrol with 280bhp drives and handles better than the macan
@@bbxg6228 I'm pretty sure the Macan holds it's value better... but the lack of space in the rear seats is a concern for me, and not practical for an SUV.
I bought a stelvio yesterday… the 2.2 diesel kicks ass!! Feels like a smallish sports bmw or merc….
Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio is a new benchmark ...
Wow 1660kg? That's like 500kg lighter than some SUVs!
Finally a car company that understands that on demand AWD cars should primarily be real wheel driven. Scumy Germans put that FW-biased Haldex into everything and save the RW-biased Haldex for superexotics only.
Alpha??? ALFA ROMEO! Alfa= anonima lombarda fabbrica automobili.
ferrari466 ma che stai dicendo??
simone s perché cosa ho detto? Questo è il significato o l’acronimo di alfa : it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo
@5putput My Friend, one of bigges Alfa romeo's funs , is Jeremy Clarkson....You are so bad informed...
Nice to see the guys back, and really good and unbiased test as well! Well done.
Hold on....Stelvio 6.1 to 60 with 210 Hp and 1600kg? That's crazy
Another reason for this is the brilliant ZF transmission
Actual peak torque of 470 Nm sees to that. (The official figure is highly underrated).
I had an Alfa Giulia and I bought a F Pace. The F Pace drives like an old carriage. I am buying a Stelvio now!
Jacuar and Alpha, looks like very professional car channel
Alfa!
“Alpha Romeo “
Now that’s an autocorrect embarrassment
DJ not the first time they spell it wrongly
Alfa...Not Alpha
Henrik L the original video title said Alpha
@@henrikl1394 I think they used googles spelling correction. :)
both great cars! but stelvio number one and f pace number 2
An excellent comparison. Thanks for the video.
Great review chaps, because as everyone knows, track times have a great influence on consumer SUV buying decisions.
Jeez chill man it’s a fun video to watch why u hating for no reason lol, because u can’t afford them?
They are poitless cars anyways
You are absolutely right this is a pointless test. While the review was interesting no one buys these cars based on there track ability.
it's the only review testing the car on a track, while every others are testing it in a straight line, which is really pointless. plus it's the only SUV that handles well, so it's good to see to which limit it can get. Circuit performance is a direct indicator for driving pleasure
alfa romeo despite some percieved and perhaps accurate reliability issues is building amazing cars at bargain prices compared to the competition. The stelvio is the best SUV since the cayenne and its the sportiest out there right now!
They both look pretty nice in those outside driving shots.
Why don’t pick Jaguar F Pace V6 supercharge or the SVR V8?
I love the Alfa Romeo Stelvio:) Its a wonderful car guys! Please open your eyes!
Why didn’t they compare this Alfa to the 240hp F Pace? Much closer call.
Video uploaded by some intern who couldn't give less of a damn about cars. Alpha? Seriously? At 0:22 there's even a shot of the Alfa Romeo logo.
i would suggest to use the 237 bhp f pace for this as it has similar 0-60 times
It will lose anyway
yoof01 what about 2.9 biturbo v6 Quadrifoglio 510hp and Maserato Levante trofeo v8 biturbo 590hp....
Carlo Calò Levante looks so ugly that’s why there aren’t many of them on the road. Porsche Cayenne would be a better choice, but the Jag is the best looking SUVs in the market right now.
Carlo Calò or how about Jaguar XE project eight? Fastest four door around Nurburgring.
237bhp Jag much more expensive than the 2.2 Alfa which is why they didn't test them together.
Welcome back fifth gear team
5th Gear team - you should have pitched the alpha against the 237bhp f pace 2.0 Diesel as its a much better match for power and performance (not price)
The difference in price is why they didn't review them together
Then they should have used the 280bhp Stelvio... which would have won again... by an even greater margin... except fuel economy.
Super happy to stumple upon this episode airing on Quest this evening. Great to see the old talent with current content! Honestly, the section on changing the ignition systems seemed a bit pointless beyond entertainment. Perhaps it would be better if it went in a more topical direction showing how modern systems work. It could go a bit nerdier and still fit the fifth gear ethos.
Overall the show was great and I'm happy the formula's not been messed with. Looking forward to more.
Just see how "pace full" he drives the Stelvio with one hand and how he struggles to keep the i-pace on track. The body and head motion cannot lie and patching front rear unbalance with electronic garbage is an Audi type front heavy failure..Stelvio has biggest rear overhang and short cutted front of all SUV's, by far and the Nordschleife winner...only 20sec. slower than a Guilia Quadrifoglio better top speed but harder on tyres with higher CG height. Who said dogs???
ALFA RULES!!
really happy 5th gear is back 😀😀😀
I can understand why some spell Alfa Romeo as Alpha, its simple, because ALFA ROMEO is the ALPHA & OMEGA of the motoring world.
Kenneth P nothing beats the Delta though🙃
Quadrifoglio vs SVR would be great.
Both amazing cars, although I strongly prefer the Alfa. I wonder why would they ever put the 2.2L Diesel engine in a shootout? The 2.0L Turbo is far superior and much more powerful. That's just a shame.
Diesel engines are much more common and cheaper to run in the UK. They would not feature the 2.0 petrol engine in a review over here because hardly anyone would buy it.
Really... "ALPHA"? You're a car channel... *SMH*
Lol
Oh come on. It's a tribute to Lancia.
Since you don't know how to spell Alfa, what do you know about them?
1:14 - listen to the quality. Sounds like they just threw the interior in the back without bothering to bolt anything down.
ALPHA? come on guys...
This is a mistake for amateurs really...
Diesel sport cars? Jeeez... you guys have really lost it.
"Jaguar is more agile than the Alfa.........." LOOOOOOOOOOOL
ahahah
Of course it is. No understeer even on the SVR. It walked all over the QV in another comparison.
@@christianolssontravels Rediculous! The standard Stelvio is about 200kg lighter than the F-Pace, and handles much better. And the 2.0 280 is a rocket... 0 to 62mph in 5.7s.
The Quadrafoglio is also faster than the SVR, and held the fastest lap of an SUV on the Nurburg Ring in 2017.
So who chooses a SUV based upon lap times?
Me
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yes, finally a new season !!
could some one tell me that which watch the man is wearing？
I totally agree with you 👍 the jaguar f-pace is just a hyped up car. A total letdown. I've come to realise I've thrown away 30g that could get me another flat and make ten times on that.
For god's sake; Alpha... It's not a Lancia guys...
Alfa it is
No one has ever given me a satisfying reason as to the point of an SUV that can't go off road. As far as I'm concerned, both these cars are lemons
1.Space for multiple people/ going out with friends. Nobody wants to sit in a cramped crowded back seat.
2. Performance if you pay for it
3. Versatility for weather, as I live in a city where snow is on the ground half the year
@@ballinglikeimtobe4920 what about a AWD wagon and/or people carrier, surely those would do the job just as well?
@@Billiamiscool I cant think of any wagon that looks better than any of the SUVs(Macan, Stelvia, F Pace) I'm looking to buy right now. I'm also looking for speed.
@@ballinglikeimtobe4920 Merc E63
@@Billiamiscool it's obviously a nice car but I guess I just dont like the elongated look of station wagons. The name station wagon even sounds unattractive lol
? why not compare the F-Pace SVR vs. the Quadrifoglio version? Not that interested in seeing base models do laps...
Nice video! Two of my favourite and handsome looking SUV...
You had to test the gasoline versions!
Hiw is that a fair test?
Thanks !
5th gear rules !
Jaguars with left steering wheel have massive issue. Driver legroom is limited meaning pedals are towards centre so operate acclerator your right leg is in weird angle as centre tunnel gets wider clpser to the floor. Literally any drive over 15 minutes is very uncomfortable. As pedals are offset it also means breaking is compromised as steering column is in the way of knee. Massive dissapointment and engineering failure, seems to be issue with other models sharing same interior. Even with Alfas quality issues, Jag loses out no matter what you do.
Get stig to drive it. :3
The F-Pace more nimble than the Alfa?
Really?
🤔
Dude, A is for efficiency, you have to put it in D
You lost me at "DIESEL"!
Drive the QV, it'll be worth to get out of bed (garage)...
Not necessarily a brilliant comparison, not between the cars in general, but the particular models tested. Stelvio was in sportiest trim with the more powerful diesel, F Pace was in the softest, most luxurious trim with the run of the mill diesel. If it was like for like, it would have been a lot closer.
Stelvio is not a Diesel
oops - it is a Diesel, my mistake.
Most people would still go for the Jag, it's much prettier and more practical. Easier to live with, service etc. and probably a bit more reliable. If speed were more the priority; go for a nearly new Macan... Alfa does some very beautiful cars like the Giulietta, but the Stelvio looks too short and dumpy.
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@@aliozdil6586 germany's the best. why you're confused? lol
@@aliozdil6586 le migliori supercar sono made in italy ok 🤫
Should be called F....... SLOW PACE
They do a SVR 5.0 supercharged version aswell!
When does it say alpha
Diesel engines? Really?
:(
Fun and all, but being realistic, you didn't cover anything related to what would a family need in a diesel SUV like these two. what are you even doing?
What about the Porsche Macan?
Alfa Romeo Stelvio Qv destroyed the Macan gts on the circuit.
We ignoring the fact that they are reaching Diesel models
Someone tell Johnny he has lost 30hp on the Stinger GT. 😂
perfect - thanks for this.
Alpha really!!!???!?
This seems like a pointless way to test diesel SUVs...
Wondering which would be better at driving up and down a quarry cause these two have to have a little offroad capability even though for the most part they're going to see tarmac or city streets.
Probably the jag, there'll be some land rover tech in there and they have more than enough experience in that field unlike alfa who only have experience in electrical fires.
stephen robson ikr lol Alfa has never really been good in the reliablity dept.
Just go for the Jag cause it's a Jaaaaaag. 😏
@@stephenrobson6480 depends on ground clearance and eventual reduced gear for doing swamps and rocky trails, other that for gravel, snowy road Lancia used to do rally racing, so there is tech available ...
Why don't you use the performance model. Maybe then u could actually do that u want and compare them to their brand heritage. Makes no sense at all
that would make too much sense. pitiful video.
2of the greatest names in the motor Industry and huge names in motor sport , and this is the shit they're making now ! Sickening :(
Seriously, what is the point of a 'shoot out' between underpowered cars? The only people who buy these underpowered versions DONT CARE about shootouts. Get the topline Alfa SUV and put it up against the FPace SVR. any other comparison is simply worthless.
Who cares about the diesels?? Love the cars choice. Dislike the engines.
Autocorrect for you
Why test slow diesels on a track?
The Jaguar drives so good because it is so slow.
The 3.0V6 diesel drives even better and that is not slow at all.
How bias towards jaguar
I have one f pace
Porsche Vw BMW far away
Everybody loves Alfa’s cars but nobody buys them
Alfa+Italy =♥️
F-Pace weights the same as whale, no bomb there. Same with F-Type, they really know how to make heavy cars.
Why the worst lowest powered variants? Utterly pointless video.
Stelvio lupo alpha 🐺
Totally pointless test 😂
Stelvio best SUV !
Es el plaser de conducir un Alfa Romeo es unico
Lap times of SUVs with diesel engines. 30 hp and 130 kg in difference. This should be an awesome comparison, right?! Not really ...
130 kg more or less? ifJaguar did not do better it is not Alfa's fault
Hmmm... Stelvio and F-Pace are comparable cars... and appeal to the same types of buyers. So doing a comparison is very helpful! 🙄
I would like to see the turbo v6 alfa go around the track
they didn't compare Alfa with Audi BMW Mercedes because they work for germans and they know germans will lose
Alpha? Wut?
Alfa Romeo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If I'm after an engagement car to drive I wouldn't take SUV any way... lets put it that way: if it is Giulia vs XE no doubt I'll take the gorgeous italiana... but Stelvio vs F-Pace... well the Jag is just the better SUV and the track time is not relevant to my choice
why the fuck diesel engines?
Alfa rules!
I’ll take one of each please. One to drive while the other is in the shop.
Alfa is ALPHA AF LMAO
f-pace 35t vs any of the stelvio models wins (SVR vs QUADRIFOGLIO = SVR every time as well)
Alfa Romeo Stelvio !!!!!!!!!!!
Faster, cheaper, but, which would you really want? Trust?, is more reliable?....?🤔
Given both the power and weight advantage enjoyed by the Alfa, what was the point of this foregone conclusion exercise? Sure, Fifth Gear needs content however, track time, although interesting, is largely nonsensical. Surely fit & finish including comfort levels and economy would be the relevant aspect for a purchase decision? FFS.
von Coconut They don’t have time to get into all that, they are race drivers with limited time. If you want facts figures specs etc... look at the countless reviews on TH-cam car channels. Most of those reviews don’t put the car to test like these trained professionals.
So stop being a moaning whingebag.
Alan B. A little critical thinking wouldn't come to harm here, Alan. Why would race drivers with limited time waste that time getting lap times from a couple of oil burning SUV's? Millions have been spent in the design and manufacture of these cars and none of that effort had Jason Plato and Anglesey circuit in mind. The episode was a dull as dishwater however, if it caused you excitement why not take a garden chair to the nearest roundabout and watch the traffic go by. Incidentally, the answer to your question as to why 'trained professional race drivers' waste their time doing this - to everyone's embarrassment - is because it puts bread on their table.
I'm looking at buying either an F-Pace or Stelvio. My decision will largely be based on driving experience. And this video was definitely helpful in that respect. Think about it...
Alfa Romeo, lui non parla italiano.