Prince Mashele makes a great point - when the Afrikaners came to power their people were poorer than many blacks but a government that cared about poverty helped them out of poverty through starting SOE's & supporting afrikaner business. Black leaders are more interested in getting rich than helping us in the townships
@@senzomemela1311 wow what a sad statement :( it is true that afrikaners are very community oriented and very religious (therefore conservative with spending or give money to NGOs). but i'm sure there are many black people who do the same for their communities? its just sad these people aren't running the ANC
So blck leaders should introduce its on Colonialism and Aphartheid?? White people got rich through Land disposation, economic exclusion of Africans, slavery and aphartheid!! Stop spreading propaganda of eskom or transnet those represent jobs not wealth (wealth is Land and excess to means of prodction)
But from many discussions there is the idea whites were well-off!!! Some of the black people I work with for many years did not know that poverty of most whites....somewhere we are romatisizing sometging!!! BUT I KNOW WHAT HE SPEAK OF!! Today I as an Africaner are the hope of black people....as I was raised...HUMANTARIAN!!!! NOT about RACE....CHARACTER cannot fail you!!!
@@lm_b5080 unfortunately this lack of identity and self respect comes from the so called black leaders of this European system of democracy. It is for the above reason that the people of the Zulu nation have never recognised this ANC government, as their true leaders. Our self identity and self love and love for our families will not allow us to do so...The nations of South Africa are not stupid...
Baba Vavi ukhuluma qiniso lodwa let's hope and pray for. EFF Bangayiqambeli amanga because EFF Deserve to win this Elections EFF imele qiniso President of the EFF HE MUST RULE this country EFF is the future.
South Africa used to have great thinkers and fighters during apartheid and COSATU was one of those. What I like about the EFF is that it has taken all these great policies, and manifestos, incorporated them in the 7 pillars. SACP, COSATU, FREEDOM CHARTER, PAC, BLACK CONSCIOUSNESS etc. All included.
Interest rates are considered high at 2% in the first world yet we pay minimum 11.5%. They forget they still make a profit even if there is no interest since u are already paying so much for the car or house u bought .
It is high for a reason. Junk status has consequences. Higher borrowing costs for the country, means higher interest rates for everyone else. Botswana that is 5 credit rating notches above us has a 4% lower interest rate because they are considered far less risky to lend to.
Never there was no voting, he let farmers toy with black workers and did nothing. The platinum mines during mangope did nothing for black communities, most rural areas in the NW were electrified by ANC. I have to say the anc has let the guard down terribly yes.
Big problem is Mr. VAVI the workers have remained workers and have not learned to be Mangers. The ANC needs to 'Manage' this country. Learn to Manage cos South Africa is a Corporation and you need to have a CEO and Good mangers to control the workers to produce a good fair and safe society
When I first heard of trade unionism the 1970s the first word Zwelinzima Vavi. I swear I saw his activities throughout that period and beyond doing his best to fight for the rights of workers throughout South Africa. I subsequently joined the LEGAL RESOURCES CENTRE in Cape Town where I used to live. I worked with many anti-apartheid lawyers some of which are no more like Abdullah Omar.
I am highly respected this man.mr vavi if God can provide us with you as our president we can be out of this mess as a country. My mother died in thella mogoroana hospitaal vosloorus in front of myself and my siblings.due to under staffed no doctors. I will not forget mr vavi and Lawrence dube at kaya fm.while he was still employed by Mercedes Benz.that interview it was my first time heard about this man.tĥis man knows he's Storey.
Nice one. Mr. Vavi took us down memory lane of milestone key events that are forgotten. Big ups Mr. Vavi. Done it with sense of humor too 😂 I remember what issues they will remind him of 😂😂😂😂😂
In hindsight, we are all clever. When he was inside the tent, he supported the mess the country is in today. The mess is entrenched, the future of our children is on shaky grounds.
We therefore thanks him for the entire spiritual and physical effort that he did in the future of the most unnoticed other black workers of South Africans
Politions they been speaking louder about everything but they leave young people out and they don't speak about farmers and there only things we had it's about Jobs load shedding foreigners and boaders and we see ANC paying people to campaign for them and when we listen the Eff said more than other politicians particularly those they are working with the DA and being founded
He could've joined Government a long time ago. But The Man is for the workers, a Unionist of note. Had he joined Government then all Unions would've been undermined. Labour Brokers would still be in Practice Today. After working as a temporary worker for almost 6years. It was the directive and the fight of uBaba Vavi that the Labour Brokers be abolished. Even Banks were using Labour Brokers then. Today we are Permanent workers.Siyabulela Tata
Trouble with Zweli is that he never had much to say about where the money comes from. The entrepreneurs who make it. The risk takers and brilliant businessmen who build economies. These are his enemies and without them Zweli and his unions would have nothing.
It still confuses me why the ANC joined up with Communists or Socialists or COSATU who are more to the EFF side, even the PAC on its original Pan Africanism political strategy!!!???.
It really means nothing to be the founder or unionist if you cannot maintain good in what you initiate. Today what satu is doing is embarrasing in schools.
Personally, I'm not against or instigating for the destruction of the ANC. The ANC just need the EFF to watch and put pressure on them to do right by hiring and paying a lot SPIES to watch and report any thief or culprit of corruption!!! The ANC has got a long experience in government, EFF, our youths can learn to rule and probably take over by joining with it coalition and alway put pressure for services delivery and truth!!!
Beautiful conversation, but Mr. Vavi should avoid using Apartheid-era South Africa as a yard stick for democratic progress. Apartheid was a crime against humanity, and referencing it this way it's tantamount to legitimizing that horrible system. It's akin to comparing modern American democracy to the era of slavery.
It’s difficult to leave it out cause the repercussions of apartheid are still felt to date. And Americans never forget to mention slavery, as white as their country is but SAns are supposed to have amnesia of the brutality of that regime
Vavi keeps on advising people about how politicians dress and look as if it''s the only criteria to judge a political parties. What about track record of political partiies,, what have they done and achieved. We don't like untidy and poor looking people to represent us.
As fallable as Vavi has been He has always tried to be moral about his actions and always tried to think of the guy on the street I wish some politicians had this character in going about their business for me you are one of my heros a person to look up to and one who has tried to stand your ground wherever you were. From were I sit I am not an eff supporter but at this point in the political discourse they have uttered a manifesto that if utilized has the potential to change current discourse try something different afterwards not sure if they will implement as advertised.
EFF. EFF Julius Malema: It’s very Sad: A N C: DA: Out: EFF: What’s Colours: They are Confuse: Break down All Barriers: Yah Love: Princess 🌹❤️🌺🌿🌴🙏🏽🙏🏾🙏🏿🦾
When you're taking sides, you should look at all sides. Firstly, you are saying Malema,Zuma, and Ramaphosa. Truth is there's absolutely nothing Steenhuisen has to offer!
Prince Mashele makes a great point - when the Afrikaners came to power their people were poorer than many blacks but a government that cared about poverty helped them out of poverty through starting SOE's & supporting afrikaner business. Black leaders are more interested in getting rich than helping us in the townships
Afrikaans people love themselves more than things,....Black people love things more than themselves
@@senzomemela1311 wow what a sad statement :(
it is true that afrikaners are very community oriented and very religious (therefore conservative with spending or give money to NGOs).
but i'm sure there are many black people who do the same for their communities? its just sad these people aren't running the ANC
So blck leaders should introduce its on Colonialism and Aphartheid?? White people got rich through Land disposation, economic exclusion of Africans, slavery and aphartheid!! Stop spreading propaganda of eskom or transnet those represent jobs not wealth (wealth is Land and excess to means of prodction)
But from many discussions there is the idea whites were well-off!!! Some of the black people I work with for many years did not know that poverty of most whites....somewhere we are romatisizing sometging!!! BUT I KNOW WHAT HE SPEAK OF!! Today I as an Africaner are the hope of black people....as I was raised...HUMANTARIAN!!!! NOT about RACE....CHARACTER cannot fail you!!!
@@lm_b5080 unfortunately this lack of identity and self respect comes from the so called black leaders of this European system of democracy. It is for the above reason that the people of the Zulu nation have never recognised this ANC government, as their true leaders. Our self identity and self love and love for our families will not allow us to do so...The nations of South Africa are not stupid...
Vavi must write a book. This history about the worker's struggle must be documented. SG for life!
Get a book "history of black mine workers" vol 1 and 2
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Go argue with your ancestors if you think otherwise!
Out of 250 odd people watching and 35 LIKES not fair, please let us support the Chanel it is the least we can do , said humbly 🙏🏾
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Nobhala omkhulu this man truly needs to write a book this was an insightful conversation Mr Mashabela knows how to be a broadcaster 😅
Indeed
If this is not Politics 101 then I don't know. Vavi, put a pen to paper. King David you have unearthed the wealth of information. Thank you.
EFF is the future of SA based on Vavis analysis
Baba Vavi ukhuluma qiniso lodwa let's hope and pray for. EFF Bangayiqambeli amanga because EFF Deserve to win this Elections EFF imele qiniso President of the EFF HE MUST RULE this country EFF is the future.
Bra David’s Devil’s advocate role in interview is amazing. It gets so much out of the conversation. We love this channel!
South Africa used to have great thinkers and fighters during apartheid and COSATU was one of those. What I like about the EFF is that it has taken all these great policies, and manifestos, incorporated them in the 7 pillars. SACP, COSATU, FREEDOM CHARTER, PAC, BLACK CONSCIOUSNESS etc. All included.
If it was radio I could have sworn I am listening to an EFF Manifesto campaign. Viva Fighter Vavi✊✊
I LOVE our Host!!! What a man!!!
This was gooooooood- good stuff! A job well done ntate Mashabela! Salute
Great discourse. Brilliant analysis.
Great interview, the balance of politics and him as a Trade Unionist. Thank you King David.
This episode is way nicer then Zibi's and Jan's episode.
From my point of view, a revolutionary related one, the ANC to survive must join up with EFF and also incorporate UDM and PAC!!!
I have to say I look with new eyes of appreciation for Mr Vavi's views.....GREAT man!!
Interest rates are considered high at 2% in the first world yet we pay minimum 11.5%. They forget they still make a profit even if there is no interest since u are already paying so much for the car or house u bought .
It is high for a reason. Junk status has consequences. Higher borrowing costs for the country, means higher interest rates for everyone else. Botswana that is 5 credit rating notches above us has a 4% lower interest rate because they are considered far less risky to lend to.
@@M1ke22 u still believe that nonsense 😂.
Mangope achieved more developmental success compared to all the presidents combined.
Never there was no voting, he let farmers toy with black workers and did nothing. The platinum mines during mangope did nothing for black communities, most rural areas in the NW were electrified by ANC. I have to say the anc has let the guard down terribly yes.
Having was taken for a dummy ride by President Zuma😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I fully support Zwelinzima's view that after "PHALA PHALA" scandal or saga Ramaphosa was supposed to be disciplined and told to leave ANC.
I love the honesty, Siyabulela Tatu Vavi
Plz bra david invite Julius malema then after invite Yvonne chaka chaka
He is a harder working trade unionist Mr Vavi who fought so much for the most unnoticed privileged black workers, and all the now working class
Imagine being referred too as a "tool " 🔧 Thank you rre Vavi and All others for your fight. Economics students should listen to this.
We seem to have lost the real politcal strategy used in the 1970s by students and UDF. United we stand , Divided we fall!!! UNITY is Strength!!!
Everytime I listen to ZV I get so much information, sometime I mistaken him for former statistician general ntate Padi Lehotla😊
It's always pleasant to listen to these guys who were there when our democracy was being formed, very insightful
The goverment missed an opportunity by not having Vavi in Goverment.
1:54:48 I'll come to remind myself of something we'll know. Someone said we're not angry enough. THANKS, MR HONORABLE KING DAVID MASHABELA
The first proplem, as mr Vavi says started with the "GRAVY TRAIN." offerings which the late assassinated Chris Hani was strongly against!!!
Big problem is Mr. VAVI the workers have remained workers and have not learned to be Mangers.
The ANC needs to 'Manage' this country.
Learn to Manage cos South Africa is a Corporation and you need to have a CEO and Good mangers to control the workers to produce a good fair and safe society
When I first heard of trade unionism the 1970s the first word Zwelinzima Vavi. I swear I saw his activities throughout that period and beyond doing his best to fight for the rights of workers throughout South Africa. I subsequently joined the LEGAL RESOURCES CENTRE in Cape Town where I used to live. I worked with many anti-apartheid lawyers some of which are no more like Abdullah Omar.
What surprises the politics of South Africa suddenly based on correcting the ANC or fighting corruption instead of UNITY for total REVOLUTION!!!
I am highly respected this man.mr vavi if God can provide us with you as our president we can be out of this mess as a country.
My mother died in thella mogoroana hospitaal vosloorus in front of myself and my siblings.due to under staffed no doctors.
I will not forget mr vavi and Lawrence dube at kaya fm.while he was still employed by Mercedes Benz.that interview it was my first time heard about this man.tĥis man knows he's Storey.
Who hard to work deeper and brought up all the black workers who were being undermined their rights
One of the most informative interviews. Thanks for bringing Mr Vavi in.
I am cracking up about Vavi's sensationalism🤣🤣🤣
Nice one. Mr. Vavi took us down memory lane of milestone key events that are forgotten. Big ups Mr. Vavi. Done it with sense of humor too 😂 I remember what issues they will remind him of 😂😂😂😂😂
So much wisdom, I can listen to you the whole Ntate Zwelinzima Vavi
Thank you Bra Dave for recording our History
In hindsight, we are all clever. When he was inside the tent, he supported the mess the country is in today. The mess is entrenched, the future of our children is on shaky grounds.
We therefore thanks him for the entire spiritual and physical effort that he did in the future of the most unnoticed other black workers of South Africans
Politions they been speaking louder about everything but they leave young people out and they don't speak about farmers and there only things we had it's about Jobs load shedding foreigners and boaders and we see ANC paying people to campaign for them and when we listen the Eff said more than other politicians particularly those they are working with the DA and being founded
this podcast is a CLASS, learnt soo much!!!!!
He could've joined Government a long time ago. But The Man is for the workers, a Unionist of note. Had he joined Government then all Unions would've been undermined. Labour Brokers would still be in Practice Today.
After working as a temporary worker for almost 6years. It was the directive and the fight of uBaba Vavi that the Labour Brokers be abolished. Even Banks were using Labour Brokers then.
Today we are Permanent workers.Siyabulela Tata
Trouble with Zweli is that he never had much to say about where the money comes from. The entrepreneurs who make it. The risk takers and brilliant businessmen who build economies. These are his enemies and without them Zweli and his unions would have nothing.
What a history from the General of the workers himself
Interesting interview, thank you King David 🙏
Vavi must not undermine President Zuma and the ATM of Zungula comrades 😅
but both of them combined can't match his intelligents
@@sabelodlamini5590Vavi wanted to be the Deputy President of Zuma in 2012, you know that?
It still confuses me why the ANC joined up with Communists or Socialists or COSATU who are more to the EFF side, even the PAC on its original Pan Africanism political strategy!!!???.
You should have asked him what made them believe that Zuma was gonna advance their interests. Or they were expecting miracles
It really means nothing to be the founder or unionist if you cannot maintain good in what you initiate. Today what satu is doing is embarrasing in schools.
Look at his eyes when he is talking about half-naked homosapiens. I think he loves that universe 😂😂😂
We need part 2.
I really wish you would have Brian Molefe after hearing this
You are right, Mr Vavi
Love
Good interview 👍🏿 👏🏿. Well done.
King David is cooking 🍳 👨🍳
Personally, I'm not against or instigating for the destruction of the ANC. The ANC just need the EFF to watch and put pressure on them to do right by hiring and paying a lot SPIES to watch and report any thief or culprit of corruption!!! The ANC has got a long experience in government, EFF, our youths can learn to rule and probably take over by joining with it coalition and alway put pressure for services delivery and truth!!!
We love it in KZN......
I'm here...
Im very scared to listen to this guy when i think of what they did in the mining sector while thet were in cisatu and num
Brilliant
❤
Beautiful conversation, but Mr. Vavi should avoid using Apartheid-era South Africa as a yard stick for democratic progress. Apartheid was a crime against humanity, and referencing it this way it's tantamount to legitimizing that horrible system. It's akin to comparing modern American democracy to the era of slavery.
It’s difficult to leave it out cause the repercussions of apartheid are still felt to date. And Americans never forget to mention slavery, as white as their country is but SAns are supposed to have amnesia of the brutality of that regime
Good points from both of you.
Vavi should deal with a 1% unions fee
Vavi keeps on advising people about how politicians dress and look as if it''s the only criteria to judge a political parties. What about track record of political partiies,, what have they done and achieved. We don't like untidy and poor looking people to represent us.
Why were you chased away from COSATU???
Is it cosatu still alive?
@@nettysithole4488 yea that slaap tiger with its Losi a leader they have done nothing for workers
Vote EFF
Hmmmmm....matenity leave for some....REALLY!!! He must wake up.....certain races are NOT that lucky!!!
As fallable as Vavi has been He has always tried to be moral about his actions and always tried to think of the guy on the street I wish some politicians had this character in going about their business for me you are one of my heros a person to look up to and one who has tried to stand your ground wherever you were. From were I sit I am not an eff supporter but at this point in the political discourse they have uttered a manifesto that if utilized has the potential to change current discourse try something different afterwards not sure if they will implement as advertised.
EFF. EFF Julius Malema: It’s very Sad: A N C: DA: Out: EFF:
What’s Colours: They are Confuse: Break down All Barriers:
Yah Love: Princess 🌹❤️🌺🌿🌴🙏🏽🙏🏾🙏🏿🦾
Hai this guy is full of contradictions himself
47:10
What is the point of unions
Did you listen or just ran to comment?
You spent most of your life talking blaming but nothing came out of your talk that help the country and its citizens but you seem to be proud of that
…..
Zuma want to change the constitution you're talking about
You were wrong about the DA...
When Vavi talked the language of Malema about our unemployment rate nd foreigners was the day I saw a soulless pretender in him.
People are stupid. What exactly do you see in Malema,Zuma and that Ramaphosa?I'm going to vote for the DA.
When you're taking sides, you should look at all sides.
Firstly, you are saying Malema,Zuma, and Ramaphosa. Truth is there's absolutely nothing Steenhuisen has to offer!
@@AllDayEverydayZAR At least I'm smart enough to know that the EFF,ANC and MK are misleading black people.
I concur with you....
I will also vote for DA
This black leaders wanna enrich themselves n their families
Nothing else
Who is president of DA?
@@sabelodlamini5590 The DA has no president. That is the point.