The Tangara Technology Upgrade - What Went Wrong?

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  • The Tangara Technology Upgrade has been a very controversial project that had been delayed and has gone over-budget several times. So in this video, we take a look at what went wrong and to find potential solutions.
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  • @tsetstransport
    @tsetstransport  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Update ~ The full Tangara Technology Upgrade has been re-announced by the labour government! I'll be putting out a new video in a few days discussing on what's to come! :)

    • @h-aandle
      @h-aandle 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ok

  • @rcctseb
    @rcctseb 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    TTU is one of the funniest jokes the NSW government has ever made

  • @aussiejohn5835
    @aussiejohn5835 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Excellent video and very informative, especially as I had no idea of the progress or lack of the upgrade. Well done, Elliot 👏 👍

  • @traingeekfromNSW
    @traingeekfromNSW 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I like your new type of “long and informative” videos 😊. Great video!

    • @tsetstransport
      @tsetstransport  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That's great to hear! Thanks for watching! :)

    • @transportfanaussie
      @transportfanaussie 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tsetstransporthey mate, channel “Planes, Trains, and Cars” made a post about “Tsetstransport threaten to BURN me”.

  • @v666fromhell6
    @v666fromhell6 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The T sets are my favourite suburban trains and still has another 10-20 years of life left in them, unlike the silvers sets before them that now look like an eyesore, the Tangara is well ahead of its time and can be made with upgrades that will bring it into the line with Waratah A and B sets. It’s just a shame that they have been botched up with the TTU project and now the current Labor government now talking about replacing them so soon. They are “the most” iconic train on the Sydney network.

  • @tamworthtrainnut285
    @tamworthtrainnut285 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    7:30 For anyone who doesn’t know, what happens when a Sydney Train or NSW TrainLink train that is equipped with a trip arm runs past a signal at STOP, the trip arm strikes the raised arm on the ground attached to the signal and causes all of the air in the brake pipe to be evacuated to atmosphere (emergency brakes apply) and cannot be reset until the driver puts air back into the brake pipe

  • @traingeekfromNSW
    @traingeekfromNSW 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    By the way, I don’t think the reason for the project being so troublesome is “funding” or “lack of priority”. It’s because the trains firstly aren’t designed for the extra power consumption created by the upgrades and the T4 line in general or atleast the tunnels can’t support as much power as other lines. Anyway, those are my thoughts😊.

    • @tsetstransport
      @tsetstransport  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Partially correct, I forgot to mention the power supply in the video but there was a lack of funding with proof of how they are so bothered to work on the project and with many features being removed or delayed.

    • @traingeekfromNSW
      @traingeekfromNSW 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@tsetstransport Oh, yeah that’s alright mate, still a great video. Typical liberals 🤣

  • @aspiewithattitude3213
    @aspiewithattitude3213 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's amazing how successful the Tangara trains has been for Sydney after more than three decades.
    And how this didn't work out for Melbourne when back in the 90s that there was also a Tangara upgrade in Victoria. There was only one 4 car unit that have operated for 10 years in Melbourne until this was made redundant than scraped.

  • @RyansTransportVlog-gg2gs
    @RyansTransportVlog-gg2gs 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Amazing video!

  • @xpt
    @xpt 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Worth noting in the 2002-2007 upgrades the cabs were fitted with alarms as well

    • @ukraineball953
      @ukraineball953 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That was due to the Waterfall Train Disaster, which sadly claimed 7 lives.

    • @xpt
      @xpt 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ukraineball953 unrelated. im referring to alarms that would sound when disused cabs were broken in to.

  • @ccntrainkid
    @ccntrainkid 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video! I didn't know anything about this so I appreciate it!

  • @transportfanaussie
    @transportfanaussie 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video!

  • @Flippy_trains
    @Flippy_trains 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    T106 and T72 are in HMC

  • @veronicadvakalalabure4646
    @veronicadvakalalabure4646 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm pretty sure the T sets are the only trains that can run on the T4, as the Tangara uses less energy. Which means the T4 uses less energy

    • @tsetstransport
      @tsetstransport  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Incorrect as they always have Oscars running on the T4 and Waratah's and M sets have ran on the line before which I have filmed.

    • @SydneyTrainspotter
      @SydneyTrainspotter 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tsetstransport That is down to Hurstville yes - the main problem is between Erskineville and Bondi Junction, which can only run 1-3 sets at most at once. One B set tested their successfully, but it took a lot of power to and hence they also changed the location the depot from Mortdale to Auburn. Oscars are able to run as they have a lower power consumption than Waratahs, and Millenniums would be able to do the same (they used to run on the T4 a long time ago), but running one rolling stock allows for higher frequency.

    • @SydneyTrainspotter
      @SydneyTrainspotter 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is also the reason why the Waratahs and M sets that ran during industrial action went from Hurstville to the City Circle, rather than from down south to Bondi.

  • @darylcheshire1618
    @darylcheshire1618 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Perhaps they could have sold them to Victoria, it's a shame the Victorians scrapped the 4D set, I think they should have persisted with it. Melbourne travellers loved the double decker train.

    • @karlos1415
      @karlos1415 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Considering the Comeng trains have been a brilliant train for Melbourne that were refurbished up to 25 years ago with the basic essentials Tangaras can’t have in 2024 like PIDs, CCTV, I think Victoria is happy with its fleet post 4D (a failed train that could only run on a tiny fraction of the network)

  • @DanielKing-dk5nr
    @DanielKing-dk5nr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I was so happy when these trains took over THE RED RATTLERS, omg hated getting the red rattler so freaking early in the morning on a cold winters day to school at 8am, cause those stupid doors and some of the windows would not close fully and it would be soooooo COLD when they went over the harbour bridge. HATED IT.

  • @arokh72
    @arokh72 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was 15 when the T sets were released. They looked so futuristic to my teenage mind. I loved they had air conditioning as well. What I hated was the non reversible, ironing board felling, vinyl covered seats., having been used to reversible and softer seats, though still vinyl covered.

  • @johnboxxy3432
    @johnboxxy3432 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I always thought it was odd with the futuristic looking Tangaras was having the windows around into the roof in a hot climate.

  • @darthobi-wan8014
    @darthobi-wan8014 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    love your little camera spin in your old vid lol! nice one, keep up the good work 😊👍

  • @EricYu1
    @EricYu1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This Tangara got the M set DWD 6:36

  • @Hero_of_Sinnoh
    @Hero_of_Sinnoh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They defs need to be faster that's for sure. Compared to the Metro lines, the T lines literally age you by 30 years for the duration of the ride. Hope they keep its Iconic interior with the switchable chairs but it feels like the carriage is gonna derail every time we board.

  • @GreatAussieDrives
    @GreatAussieDrives 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    As a T4 commuter I have mixed feelings about the failure to properly upgrade the Tangaras. On one hand the information screens etc would've been great to have, but on the other, maybe this means we'll be getting more modern replacement trains sooner rather than later 😁

    • @cobindel
      @cobindel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hopefully oscar trains will be used on the online when they are converted from regional to metropolitan trains

    • @Roadrunnerz45
      @Roadrunnerz45 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i feel for commuters like you who only have one type of train set. you can barely hear the announcements, the non reversible seats etc. when i was younger i was a fan of the tangaras but time has come.

    • @cobindel
      @cobindel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Roadrunnerz45 i mean, i love tangaras, they are one of my fav trains at all time, but i want to see other trains too

  • @user-gc1ky2rf3y
    @user-gc1ky2rf3y 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The sign shown at 1:48 is a TVM block marker used on the French LGV network and UK HS1. The ETCS block marker has the same colors but is in the shape of a yellow arrow instead of a triangle.

    • @tsetstransport
      @tsetstransport  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Sorry for that mistake. Thanks for letting me know!

  • @tamworthtrainnut285
    @tamworthtrainnut285 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:58 One example of this signalling system in use is the route between St Pancras International and Ebbsfleet International in the game “Train Sim World 2” as every time I’ve driven trains through this section in the game, I see the exact same yellow triangles described in the video

  • @Flippy_trains
    @Flippy_trains 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hopefully with jo Haylen will get the TTU back on track (no pun intended)

  • @BrandonThetraincarbusguy
    @BrandonThetraincarbusguy หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Honestly maybe instead of scrapping the project. They should find a better manufacturer with more experience refurbishing trains.

  • @LeroysTransportVlogs
    @LeroysTransportVlogs 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great Video Like Always! i drew your logo btw its on my channel

  • @ec7152
    @ec7152 หลายเดือนก่อน

    my guess is that the H sets will be running on the T4 line when the new intercity trains begin service

  • @Roadrunnerz45
    @Roadrunnerz45 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    might be worthwhile to email a politician about this project. better to email the shadow since it was the previous government who initiated it.

  • @tamworthtrainnut285
    @tamworthtrainnut285 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Not Tangara related but I cannot wait for stage 2 of Sydney Metro from Chatswood to Sydenham via Crows Nest to open very soon

  • @CharliesTransportAdventures
    @CharliesTransportAdventures 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video 🎉

  • @TheRedFloofball_Foxy
    @TheRedFloofball_Foxy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have got a driver instruction book for the Tangara from quite a long time ago (probably 30 years)

  • @paulmcgregor6411
    @paulmcgregor6411 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Although the T sets might be structurally sound for another 10 to 20 years service, much of the electrical and control systems aren’t. The ATP system might give a modern safety system, but the train still run by an ancient DOS TMS system.
    It also uses a different braking system (B14 brake stand) and even with the upgrades is showing it’s age, as many of the parts are becoming harder to find.

  • @AngelSophia-lw1ko
    @AngelSophia-lw1ko 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How many Tangaras are there in total

  • @EricYu1
    @EricYu1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The TTU is the reason why the C set Rerired

  • @andymartinez767
    @andymartinez767 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Better air-conditioned would have been good. During summer and peak hour the air con were useless. Sydney is hot, comfort for users would be great.

  • @tamworthtrainnut285
    @tamworthtrainnut285 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Trip arms with signals are mainly used in areas of high rail traffic such as Newcastle or Wollongong NSW

    • @brett174
      @brett174 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Signals with trip arms are used where electric passenger trains run. Diesel (and, when there were, electric) loco's don't have trip mechanisms.

    • @tamworthtrainnut285
      @tamworthtrainnut285 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@brett174 The XPT, Xplorer, Endeavour and Hunter RailCars also have trip arms attached to them as well

    • @brett174
      @brett174 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tamworthtrainnut285 Thank you for that information. However, are diesel (no longer used Electric) locomotives fitted with trip mechanisms?

  • @leosheppard8517
    @leosheppard8517 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Pretty sure they don’t run a train service, they running a refrigeration service.

  • @Sydney_Mapz
    @Sydney_Mapz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I only want desto Displays

  • @seangooley8696
    @seangooley8696 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You didn't show us any of the displays inside of the train.😊

    • @transportfanaussie
      @transportfanaussie 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Maybe watch the whole video and you’ll see

    • @tsetstransport
      @tsetstransport  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Someone hasn't watched the full video...

  • @cityplanner3063
    @cityplanner3063 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Personally I think it is way too hard to upgrade these trains. They are from a different era and as much as I like them it’s time to cut our loses and order new trains as they will take at least until end of the decade to be in operation.

  • @NOYFB
    @NOYFB หลายเดือนก่อน

    Retiring these trains at this early time is a huge waste of public money.

  • @nswtrains3153
    @nswtrains3153 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    :)

  • @aidswidjaja
    @aidswidjaja 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They should just put an android tablet in each carriage and call it a day 😂

  • @All_Stars_gamez123miku
    @All_Stars_gamez123miku 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who Wants Eliot To Play MST2 Again?

    • @transportfanaussie
      @transportfanaussie 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Can you not..?

    • @All_Stars_gamez123miku
      @All_Stars_gamez123miku 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@transportfanaussie Can YOU you mean

    • @transportfanaussie
      @transportfanaussie 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@All_Stars_gamez123miku what?

    • @All_Stars_gamez123miku
      @All_Stars_gamez123miku 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@transportfanaussie i was saying that coz i wish eliot played mst2

    • @transportfanaussie
      @transportfanaussie 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@All_Stars_gamez123miku that’s because he quit roblox

  • @geoffreymartin2764
    @geoffreymartin2764 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of the worst things in my opinion are the seats. Supposed lumbar support is in the wrong place. It should be higher up in the lumbar region not on your bum.
    The main thing that went wrong was they went into service. 🏳‍🌈

  • @stephenphilp1380
    @stephenphilp1380 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please don’t make political statements. They degrade your channel.

    • @tsetstransport
      @tsetstransport  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was not making any political statements, I was providing my opinion and my perspective.

    • @FromtheWindowSeat
      @FromtheWindowSeat 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think what Stephen is referring to is the statement you make that “this is due to the terrible planning of the Liberal government”. Yes, it’s your opinion and perspective but it’s also a political statement (an opinion about politics is basically a political statement). 🤔

    • @tsetstransport
      @tsetstransport  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@FromtheWindowSeat Fair point. Although, my intention of that was just to provide an opinion from my point of view.

    • @FromtheWindowSeat
      @FromtheWindowSeat 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@tsetstransport Yeah, I get that. Some people don’t like hearing political opinions (well mostly if they disagree with them) so it’s always a fraught area. 😝