The Tangara Technology Upgrade - What Went Wrong?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 เม.ย. 2024
- The Tangara Technology Upgrade has been a very controversial project that had been delayed and has gone over-budget several times. So in this video, we take a look at what went wrong and to find potential solutions.
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Update ~ The full Tangara Technology Upgrade has been re-announced by the labour government! I'll be putting out a new video in a few days discussing on what's to come! :)
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TTU is one of the funniest jokes the NSW government has ever made
Excellent video and very informative, especially as I had no idea of the progress or lack of the upgrade. Well done, Elliot 👏 👍
I like your new type of “long and informative” videos 😊. Great video!
That's great to hear! Thanks for watching! :)
@@tsetstransporthey mate, channel “Planes, Trains, and Cars” made a post about “Tsetstransport threaten to BURN me”.
The T sets are my favourite suburban trains and still has another 10-20 years of life left in them, unlike the silvers sets before them that now look like an eyesore, the Tangara is well ahead of its time and can be made with upgrades that will bring it into the line with Waratah A and B sets. It’s just a shame that they have been botched up with the TTU project and now the current Labor government now talking about replacing them so soon. They are “the most” iconic train on the Sydney network.
7:30 For anyone who doesn’t know, what happens when a Sydney Train or NSW TrainLink train that is equipped with a trip arm runs past a signal at STOP, the trip arm strikes the raised arm on the ground attached to the signal and causes all of the air in the brake pipe to be evacuated to atmosphere (emergency brakes apply) and cannot be reset until the driver puts air back into the brake pipe
By the way, I don’t think the reason for the project being so troublesome is “funding” or “lack of priority”. It’s because the trains firstly aren’t designed for the extra power consumption created by the upgrades and the T4 line in general or atleast the tunnels can’t support as much power as other lines. Anyway, those are my thoughts😊.
Partially correct, I forgot to mention the power supply in the video but there was a lack of funding with proof of how they are so bothered to work on the project and with many features being removed or delayed.
@@tsetstransport Oh, yeah that’s alright mate, still a great video. Typical liberals 🤣
It's amazing how successful the Tangara trains has been for Sydney after more than three decades.
And how this didn't work out for Melbourne when back in the 90s that there was also a Tangara upgrade in Victoria. There was only one 4 car unit that have operated for 10 years in Melbourne until this was made redundant than scraped.
Amazing video!
Worth noting in the 2002-2007 upgrades the cabs were fitted with alarms as well
That was due to the Waterfall Train Disaster, which sadly claimed 7 lives.
@@ukraineball953 unrelated. im referring to alarms that would sound when disused cabs were broken in to.
Great video! I didn't know anything about this so I appreciate it!
Great video!
T106 and T72 are in HMC
I'm pretty sure the T sets are the only trains that can run on the T4, as the Tangara uses less energy. Which means the T4 uses less energy
Incorrect as they always have Oscars running on the T4 and Waratah's and M sets have ran on the line before which I have filmed.
@@tsetstransport That is down to Hurstville yes - the main problem is between Erskineville and Bondi Junction, which can only run 1-3 sets at most at once. One B set tested their successfully, but it took a lot of power to and hence they also changed the location the depot from Mortdale to Auburn. Oscars are able to run as they have a lower power consumption than Waratahs, and Millenniums would be able to do the same (they used to run on the T4 a long time ago), but running one rolling stock allows for higher frequency.
This is also the reason why the Waratahs and M sets that ran during industrial action went from Hurstville to the City Circle, rather than from down south to Bondi.
Perhaps they could have sold them to Victoria, it's a shame the Victorians scrapped the 4D set, I think they should have persisted with it. Melbourne travellers loved the double decker train.
Considering the Comeng trains have been a brilliant train for Melbourne that were refurbished up to 25 years ago with the basic essentials Tangaras can’t have in 2024 like PIDs, CCTV, I think Victoria is happy with its fleet post 4D (a failed train that could only run on a tiny fraction of the network)
I was so happy when these trains took over THE RED RATTLERS, omg hated getting the red rattler so freaking early in the morning on a cold winters day to school at 8am, cause those stupid doors and some of the windows would not close fully and it would be soooooo COLD when they went over the harbour bridge. HATED IT.
I was 15 when the T sets were released. They looked so futuristic to my teenage mind. I loved they had air conditioning as well. What I hated was the non reversible, ironing board felling, vinyl covered seats., having been used to reversible and softer seats, though still vinyl covered.
I always thought it was odd with the futuristic looking Tangaras was having the windows around into the roof in a hot climate.
love your little camera spin in your old vid lol! nice one, keep up the good work 😊👍
This Tangara got the M set DWD 6:36
They defs need to be faster that's for sure. Compared to the Metro lines, the T lines literally age you by 30 years for the duration of the ride. Hope they keep its Iconic interior with the switchable chairs but it feels like the carriage is gonna derail every time we board.
As a T4 commuter I have mixed feelings about the failure to properly upgrade the Tangaras. On one hand the information screens etc would've been great to have, but on the other, maybe this means we'll be getting more modern replacement trains sooner rather than later 😁
Hopefully oscar trains will be used on the online when they are converted from regional to metropolitan trains
i feel for commuters like you who only have one type of train set. you can barely hear the announcements, the non reversible seats etc. when i was younger i was a fan of the tangaras but time has come.
@@Roadrunnerz45 i mean, i love tangaras, they are one of my fav trains at all time, but i want to see other trains too
The sign shown at 1:48 is a TVM block marker used on the French LGV network and UK HS1. The ETCS block marker has the same colors but is in the shape of a yellow arrow instead of a triangle.
Sorry for that mistake. Thanks for letting me know!
1:58 One example of this signalling system in use is the route between St Pancras International and Ebbsfleet International in the game “Train Sim World 2” as every time I’ve driven trains through this section in the game, I see the exact same yellow triangles described in the video
Hopefully with jo Haylen will get the TTU back on track (no pun intended)
Honestly maybe instead of scrapping the project. They should find a better manufacturer with more experience refurbishing trains.
Great Video Like Always! i drew your logo btw its on my channel
my guess is that the H sets will be running on the T4 line when the new intercity trains begin service
might be worthwhile to email a politician about this project. better to email the shadow since it was the previous government who initiated it.
Not Tangara related but I cannot wait for stage 2 of Sydney Metro from Chatswood to Sydenham via Crows Nest to open very soon
Great video 🎉
I have got a driver instruction book for the Tangara from quite a long time ago (probably 30 years)
Although the T sets might be structurally sound for another 10 to 20 years service, much of the electrical and control systems aren’t. The ATP system might give a modern safety system, but the train still run by an ancient DOS TMS system.
It also uses a different braking system (B14 brake stand) and even with the upgrades is showing it’s age, as many of the parts are becoming harder to find.
How many Tangaras are there in total
The TTU is the reason why the C set Rerired
Better air-conditioned would have been good. During summer and peak hour the air con were useless. Sydney is hot, comfort for users would be great.
Trip arms with signals are mainly used in areas of high rail traffic such as Newcastle or Wollongong NSW
Signals with trip arms are used where electric passenger trains run. Diesel (and, when there were, electric) loco's don't have trip mechanisms.
@@brett174 The XPT, Xplorer, Endeavour and Hunter RailCars also have trip arms attached to them as well
@@tamworthtrainnut285 Thank you for that information. However, are diesel (no longer used Electric) locomotives fitted with trip mechanisms?
Pretty sure they don’t run a train service, they running a refrigeration service.
I only want desto Displays
You didn't show us any of the displays inside of the train.😊
Maybe watch the whole video and you’ll see
Someone hasn't watched the full video...
Personally I think it is way too hard to upgrade these trains. They are from a different era and as much as I like them it’s time to cut our loses and order new trains as they will take at least until end of the decade to be in operation.
Retiring these trains at this early time is a huge waste of public money.
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They should just put an android tablet in each carriage and call it a day 😂
Who Wants Eliot To Play MST2 Again?
Can you not..?
@@transportfanaussie Can YOU you mean
@@All_Stars_gamez123miku what?
@@transportfanaussie i was saying that coz i wish eliot played mst2
@@All_Stars_gamez123miku that’s because he quit roblox
One of the worst things in my opinion are the seats. Supposed lumbar support is in the wrong place. It should be higher up in the lumbar region not on your bum.
The main thing that went wrong was they went into service. 🏳🌈
Please don’t make political statements. They degrade your channel.
I was not making any political statements, I was providing my opinion and my perspective.
I think what Stephen is referring to is the statement you make that “this is due to the terrible planning of the Liberal government”. Yes, it’s your opinion and perspective but it’s also a political statement (an opinion about politics is basically a political statement). 🤔
@@FromtheWindowSeat Fair point. Although, my intention of that was just to provide an opinion from my point of view.
@@tsetstransport Yeah, I get that. Some people don’t like hearing political opinions (well mostly if they disagree with them) so it’s always a fraught area. 😝