I still think that Serana is just the perfect wife/girlfriend for a Dragonborn. In this video, I can only agree with one statement - she needs time, that's right. But the fact that she did not show any interest in the Dragonborn in terms of romance is not true. In the game it can be noticed, but not so often. Even when Serana refuses marriage, she does not deny having feelings for Dovakin. One of the options for her answers: "Listen, I like you and I'll go anywhere with you, but it's not for me." Yes, at the moment she is not ready for marriage, she needs time. Dovakin will be by her side and give her this time, help her, support her. Serana has been through a lot, but she is a strong character, she will cope with her past. Vampirism can be cured, and I am inclined to believe that she will do so in the end, because she was turned against her will, and now she will make her choice. This will be her step towards a new life, where she will be able to open up to new things, including marriage. But even if there is no marriage, what prevents Dovakin and Serana from loving each other outside of marriage? Nothing. And all that it says there is only platonic relationships and so on, I just laugh at such people.
@@enderdog7038 Lydia is empty npc, like others. Where she's a perfect? And in KC Serana has a option"Romantic follower". Developers wanted to make romao options, but maybe they didn't have time to realize that.
We, as the Dragonborn, will help her fight her daddy, help her learn all the secrets that interest her and cure her of vampirism, so when she said that "marriage is not for her NOW" because she needs time to heal emotionally. I can't find a reason why we couldn't: 1. keep helping her, explore and live as two mortals and deepen our bond to finally get married and live a happy life as it suits us. 2. just give her time to explore, and learn about the world on her own and come back to us after some time because she understands that we helped her and worried about her all this time for her sake, not for anything else. Edit: 3. We can be lovers and still live together like we did whole time but without official marriage. Serana x Dragonborn is the best option for both of us. So the episode doesn't make sense and I don't invite you to discuss that it's different, because it's not.
Whilst Serana does sometimes flirt with the player as stated by some rando's here, you're right that marrying her is a bad idea. The character as seen in Dawnguard really needs that time to heal, being pressured into marriage by her best friend would not be a good thing, bethesda did the right thing, for once.
Rando here. I think that if Bethesda had made her marriable in the base game, they probably wouldn't have handled it in a responsible way.... likely making a copy/paste system at the Temple of Mara in Riften, which wouldn't work for her character. This is one of the reasons I advocate for SDA over other mods that make her marriable. Because, at the very least the story arch in SDA has her come to terms with her past and in addition to this, when she's ready and the rapport with the player is great, she'll be the one who brings up marriage. And keeping in theme with her trepidation of temple ceremonies, if you go the romance route in the mod, you end up eloping. Like I said in another comment, say what you want about this mod... but I truly believe it handles this aspect of the player's relationship with Serana in a more responsible way especially compared to other mods.
@@Deathly_Visage is SDA any good? From hat i saw on the nexus page it feel like a less lazy but till misguided verssion of marriabe serana, where the author changes things to cater to his fantasies rather than advance the plot. THe fact that his video is featuring two bouncy bbed womn one of which being serana, isnt helping, but.. Am i wrong in that assesment.
As I said before it’s not being pressured into anything.I agree with deathly visage that she needs to confront her feelings and not run from her emotions and problems.
Saying that Serana never flirts or doesn't hint at a romanntic interest towards to player is inaccurate. Sure, it doesn't happen often, and in some playthroughs those types of interactions may not happen. Player: What do you know about the Elder Scrolls? Serana: mean... as much as anyone. Not a lot. You'd figure a couple hundred years locked away with one would have given me some insights, but no. Turns out you don't learn much from just sleeping with something. Player: Are you saying you want to learn more about me? Serana: Not at this rate, no. (or) I guess you'll never get to find out. "I guess you'll never get to find out" literally has script notes in the creation kit labeling it as "this is flirty, not dismissive". There are script notes for the scene right before entering the Soul Cairn (assuming you didn't pick any of the neutral or rude dialogue options) indicating how she's "pleased the player agrees" (if you choose to turn into a vampire) or how she's "happy she made a connection" with the player (if you choose to get soul trapped). There's also a dialogue branch called "DLC1NPCMentalModelAdulteryZOMG". Basically what this branch does is allow you to ask Serana to marry you even if you're already married. And depending on what you told her earlier when she asked you about your family, she'll either respond with disgust/anger (seems to happen if you told her you were happy or unhappy in the marriage) Or, she'll respond with sadness "You're sweet to say that, but you need to sort things out on your own. It's not something I'm going to get involved with." Even the some lines of the marriage addressal branch indicate less of a flatout rejection or more of her trepidation at the concept of a formal marriage. In other words, her saying things like "Look, I care about you. A lot. And I'll come with you wherever you want to go. But... with everything in my past, I don't think I could bring myself to go into a temple and ask for that kind of blessing. It's just... it's not for me." makes it sound more like because of her past, she believes she doesn't deserve to be married... not that she isn't interested in the player in a more than platonic way. Also, there's the fact that she's uniquely referred to as a romanticfollower in the CK. She's the only one with that handle. If you spent any time looking at this character in depth in the Creation Kit, it becomes obvious that Bethesda most likely intended for her to be romancable (albeit maybe not in the mara preserve our marriage way) but possibly had to scrap it due to time constraints. All this being said, I don't appreciate the mods that force a marriage on her in a completely unnatural way. Say what you want about this mod, but IMO SDA handles it the best especially in regards to how it addresses her trauma and helps her move past that. (Earlier versions weren't great, but it got better overtime with feedback.)
@@MrEdgySprite Neutral is my mode. I'm simply pointing out how if someone wants to present a rational argument against something, they need to at least be accurate about what they're arguing against. Else, your argument's gonna be flawed.
Good point about not all mods being made equal. I personally think it only makes sense to marry Serana in mods that tweak her personality, or add more character development where she works through some of her traumas. But in the end, it isn't the same Serana in those mods, and the Serana in vanilla Skyrim just doesn't make sense to marry.
I do agree that it makes sense for Serana to desire independence and platonic relationships given her background, and there's certainly nothing wrong with a pretty platonic follower. That being said, I can't agree with the arguments for Serana's marriage being impractical. Vanilla Skyrim gives the player options to both join Serana in vampirism (as a pureblood via her father, Serana herself, or as a common vampire via any other vampire NPC in the game) or to have her join the Dragonborn in mortality (via the cure dialogue options), both of which render the practicality discussion moot. Even for those players that ignore all these vanilla options, a vampire / mortal relationship is not an unworkable one, as seen by the game allowing the Dragonborn to marry non-vampire NPCs while being (or becoming) a vampire themselves. Each of the individual objections is also undercut either by gameplay or lore. For vampires not being able to conceive children and being forced to rely on adoption...that's the same for literally every marriageable NPC in the game, going off of vanilla gameplay which only allows children by adoption. Maybe this is simply a mechanical limit, or maybe it's the game hinting that the Dragonborn themselves is unable to have children naturally (this would certainly reinforce the idea of them being the Last Dragonborn, since they would be unable to pass on their dragon blood to natural-born children as did Tiber Septim or Alessia). In either case, it's not a problem unique to a vampire / mortal match in Skyrim, and thus not really an obstacle to their union. Dietary conflicts are also overstated. The lore does establish that vampires can eat normal food, though they cannot survive off of it alone and thus prefer raw meats and other food that provides some form of the blood they need to survive. This doesn't make the kitchen useless, but it does mean there's going to be something different and potentially off-putting in it. But that isn't a unique or deal-breaking problem, at least according to the game's own logic. It allows the Dragonborn to marry ordinary people just fine while using Namira's ring, being a Wood Elf, or being a vampire, even though these would introduce similar dietary complications. It also provides the Bosmer Faendal and Imperial Camilla as a possible vanilla NPC couple, meaning that having strange meat in the cupboard isn't necessarily a deal-breaker in the lore. As for safety concerns requiring wearing armor to bed, Serana herself shows this isn't true. Depending on your quest choices, she may spend nearly all her time day and night hanging out with a mortal Dragonborn (and possibly another mortal follower), as well as being around all the mortals in the Dawnguard - and in all that time she never once has to be pried off somebody's armored neck for losing control of her thirst in the middle of the night. Vampires are perfectly capable of controlling themselves and any relationship that's built up enough trust for marriage and romance to even be a possibility should also be a relationship where the mortal doesn't have to worry about the vampire snacking on them while they sleep (unless it's consensual: we don't judge). The only real problem that would remain is the vampire's immortality and the mortal's limited lifespan, but since the game and lore have mortal men and immortal mer marrying each other, this isn't seen as an insurmountable problem either.
Nah, she flirt a lot with us, she is clearly into our character. Her only issue is the ceremonial because of very good reasons. With mods like SDA, we can help her deal with it and develop what the writters already shows. Marrying Serana is the best thing I did in Skyrim. She turns back to human just because she wanted to grow old with me, she is a loving loyal woman. And since I'm done questing, we live happy with children. The end, best ending ever.
Actually, she always flirts. One of her best (and constantly repeated) lines is: "I thought you'd never ask" when you invite her to follow you. Another one, even more flirty, is: "I knew you would miss me". She also has an early flirty remark in the sense that one doesn't get to know anything or anyone by just sleeping with it/them. She says that while she speaks about her Elder Scroll but the remark has a double entendre in it and the Dragonborn is allowed to ask her if she wants to sleep with them. Of course, she says no... but she remains a flirt, even a teaser.
THats the sort of flirting youd can do with a friend, especially if you like that friend and would be romantically interested IF you werent 3000 yo abuse victim who has shit to sort out.
@@Bradley_UA I don’t make those kind of jokes with my friends. Also, is she allowed to ever move on with her life or does she have to keep her life on hold forever. She could be there for you through every single side quest, guild quest, and the main story events that would spend decades of time in universe, realistically. At the end of that long journey, it seems unrealistic if she has embraced you as a brother or as a lover either way your family.
@@NeoKunoichi well, of course I do :) One must be really young and/or inexperienced in order not to take such behaviour as flirting. Flirting can be just social. But it's still one of the refined arts of communication which newer generations are totally missing, being so sadly de-sexualized.
Of course, not forcing her into marriage is the right thing to do but marrying her does not break roleplay. She can be cured of vampirism or you can become a vampire, both options are legitimate in the game. Conceiving children is not an option for any vanilla spouse, so the Dragonborn family always adopts kids. Alas, this means the Last Dragonborn doesn't establish a dynasty based on blood but well, life sometimes offers lemons.
Yes I do agree she needs time, when you have a childhood like hers you would need time to recover, but she never really denied having feelings for the Dragonborn and really you forgot to mention that you can just cure her in the game if you’ve chosen the dawnguard, you don’t need mods or cheats when it’s literally an option. And getting her cured will fix the “she’s a vampire so you can’t marry her” argument.
The reason Serana wasn't marriageable is the same reason Frea wasn't marriageable, they were uniquely voiced characters that Bethesda didn't want to spend the time and money recording new lines and writing code for Hearthfire and the marriage system (or a potential new and unique system). If Bethesda thought that they could have made money off of it, and if they wanted to spend the time even doing it, then they would have made Serana and Frea marriageable. It came down to time and money. It was easier and cheaper to make them both have a few lines rejecting marriage.
Exactly. The reality is that Bethesda wanted to spend as little money as possible on making the DLCs for maximum profit. And that is why they made them unmarriageable, as making them marriageable would demand spending/wasting more time and money. The arguments in this video for why marrying Serana would be wrong, are just wrong and stupid.
While I do agree that marriage is most likely off the table… romance isn’t. It would actually be incredibly powerful if done right to show an arc of her realizing that intimacy isn’t an act of dominance or submission but of love. To say that a romance with her would be out of the table would be to deny her an actual healthy way of dealing with her trauma. In fact, it’s actually what victims of her circumstances sometimes do, because there’s a certain liberation that comes with CHOOSING to be intimate with someone rather than being forced into it. It feels like you’ve claimed your body back, of course the trauma isn’t ever going to go away, but it can be helped.
"Serana has spent most of her long life isolated and controlled by her family and after dealing with so much trauma surrounding her parents, the last thing she would want is to be chain down again in a forced new relationship right after gaining independence" And now she's chain down again with her loneliness in a world completely different from the one she remembers. What's the point of gaining freedom from vampirism and her parents' manipulation if she will live afraid and isolating herself? That's not freedom, she just changed her iron chains for gold chains, instead of really breaking them, and that's the whole point of her relationship with the Dragonborn, because she finally breaks the chains that enslaved her by doing the only thing she couldn't do in her life before isolation: decide for herself. That's why you get the dialogue to suggest her to cure her vampirism, and that's why you can choose between the Dawnguard or the Volkihar because you're giving her either the oportunity to redeem herself or follow her current path for herself and not because of her parents. She also deserves to be happy with a new family, and forget if you want to marry her or not, you are the reason why she's happy again in a life full of darkness, you are her light now.
The way that you refer to marriage as someone being “chained down” says a lot more about how you view marriage than whether marriage would be right for Serena.
No the reason there is no romance here is because most of the time Bethesda is to lazy to inplement romance or proper marriage mechanics in their games specially when you compare it to boulders gate 3
All of the mentioned reasons are confirmation that she’s the canonical dragonborn gf. They got years to figure it out now that skyrim is safe from alduin and the vamps
I never even thought of trying to marry Serana. Always saw the partnership more professional than anything else. I married the wenches. Got one in each home (mod) and more homes than the standard 11 (mod)
Apparently the game design reason was because the voice actor didnt want her character to marry the player because she had a husband in real life. Thats honestly so stupid thought as the game was basically giving you the best romance option in the entire game. Like ive never been one to actually marry a character in skyrim games because i just think its a hassle but the one time i did it was with serena because her character seemed to be perfect for the dragon born then i tried and shes like naw im good. She really seemed like the perfect candidate in game because shes the most fleshed out and also best follower in the entire game so its pretty lame
Yeahhh gonna say there’s no way that Laura Bailey would say that. She’s voiced other characters w romantic interests, even while in media w her husband (Critical Role)
@@ninjinistarsong3792While I can't say if the statement is true as I don't know technically she might be okay with it when it's an act as in just two actors doing their job. However in a game where the player can marry the characters she's voicing it gets wish fulfillment kinda vibes maybe.
@@viogo4690 not wanting to do it bc of wish fulfillment vibes is a different reason than the original commenter said, which also has no backing. I just don’t know if it’s in character for laura bailey to actually do that. If only we could ask her whether or not she changed Serana’s story. And in general, you can’t really demand that certain lines or situations be changed in a game. Its a job. While she probably had some input, it was ultimately up to the writers.
@@ninjinistarsong3792 Yes it is different. I was just offering a possible solution if it was true she chose not to do it. Tbh I don't actually think it's true personally. Probably the game just wrote themselves into a corner with her backstory. Some actors are able to though demand certain things if they want them bad enough. Not saying she did or not, idk but it's theoretically possible is what I'm saying. All I know is at one point she was meant to be romancable but for some reason they decided not to. Honestly I'd just give her a original marriage method. Based on affinity through certain dialogue, in game time adventuring, and when you pass the checks you get married somewhere that's not a temple.
A lot you say is not bad, but one has to remember something here, this game is a RP fantasy game.. This game has dragons, and they talk, talking cats, talking dogs, wear wolves, wear bears, elves.. ex.. ex.. So one picks up the game and plays the Dawnguard DLC. They play about 6-8hrs of game time only to get to the end of it all and to be told NO. Now, lets compare that to Miss Ysolda, grab her a tusk and if your a Khajiit, well.. no problem. She's knocking you down to get to Riften for marriage.. Lol. So little work for such a reward and yet.. Miss Serana? Your toon runs all over Skyrim to do quest for her. Then your toon risk life and limb in game (if one is playing final death). Then you face one of the most powerful vampire lords in Skyrim and beat him... Yeah, they should have made it so one could marry her. Was a dumb idea from Bethesda. If Serana needed time, fine.. let her have it, np. I usually role as a vamp so lets look at it from there.. Mom moves back home so she can do her mom thing in the garden. One takes over as the new vampire lord in the castle and gets the place fixed back up.. Only to be told Nope. Again, I do like some of the things you've said in the video, but at the end of the day if one doesn't want to marry Serana for the reasons you mention, fine. That should have been up too the player, not some NPC.. I'll be the one who says it, Yep, glad mods fixed that problem.. Peace
The player also should have been able to kill her on sight. I get that the Dawnguard story would not have happened, but then again, this is a game company that prides itself on "player choices", and then proceeds to take control away from the player and forces them down a preset path, and calls it "player choice". You joined a guild of vampire hunters, Serana's a vampire... do the math. You would miss out on her being an awesome teammate because you made a reckless choice, but it should have been your choice to make. It's not our fault that Bethesda devs are lazy and couldn't be bothered to program branching paths.
In my playthrough i just see it as you never actually settle down. Since she doesn't seem to like marriage I just see it as something that would happen way later down the road, like the future after quite literally everything is done. Like an actual relationship persay rather than these quite instantaneous relationships and marriages. Something that would eventually happen after I quit playing the playthrough.
The Serana Dialogue Add-on does a good job at it. You can take you time if you choose to pursue the romance, by denying her advances in the Ancestor Glade when she's having her breakdown. It's not a bad idea to marry Serana. She has a trauma she needs to overcome. By not having an official temple cerimony and letting you tell Serana to focus and make sure this is what she wants, I think the mod addressed this issue well. Not to mention the fact Serana does have flirtaceous comments with you if you choose your dialogue options correctly in vanilla. I only triggered the "I guess you'll never get to find out" once, and I've no idea how. But I managed to get the "Me too" when choosing the "Then I'm glad you're the one doing it" before entering the Soul Cairn. She does want something with the Dragonborn but she is stuck to her trauma. Thankfully SDA has some tact in handling the matter. Not only that, but when you fight Harkon, you have the option of saying "I would never hurt Serana, she's special." and his response implies you two are an item.
How could anyone get the idea that asking someone to marry you and them saying yes means that you've forced them into marriage? I get why it might be weird to use console commands to make her be married to you after she rejected you, but that's not a problem with mods. Though as someone who can't help but optimize everything he can, marrying her would mean that I either loose out on her as a companion or the gold her shop would make. BTW: The AIs might just have gotten that good but this video has a bit of an GPT vibe to it.
I just wanted to say i never really used mods on serana, but if i did it would be messed up thing to do, But she's been going through a lot lately since her messed up childhood, and she really needs time to heal from all this mess that she got into, and we all as dragonborn will help her and protect her and support her in any way we can, So that she can feel like she's more free and happy when we both explore the open world of tamriel too let all the bad things get of her mind, and so that the good things can come to her and feel more open and happy with the dragonborn. and one day, her time will or might come with a romantic relationship when she feels like she wants to be bonded with the dragonborn. And always show her respect, honesty, and trust.
I think it's worth noting, the issue isn't with marrying Serana, it's just that Skyrim's marriages are very one-dimensional. Like with Serana clearly not being the type to settle down, no one can tell me that Aela's the type who would want to become a house-wife after being a Companion. It's implied more than once in Dawnguard that she might have some sort of romantic interest in the Dragonborn, and the writers had to have known that players would want her as a marriage option. But Skyrim's type of marriage is a blanket that doesn't cover a number of characters in the game appropriately. What I think they should have done, is have a romance option that doesn't involve marriage. You're 'together', you're partners, but you're not married. That would have just made more sense. I'd argue that the Serana Dialogue Add-On mod handles this fairly well as a whole, though I would agree that there shouldn't be any overt romance options during the Dawnguard quest line because that just doesn't make sense and they should only appear after the Dawnguard campaign is complete.
You say that she shouldn't be in a relationship because she wouldn't want to be "forced into a situation where someone else makes major life decisions for her". You also say that she wouldn't want to be "chained down" or "manipulated and controlled". That's not what relationships entail, at least not good ones. Nothing about her inherently means that she couldn't find solace in a romantic partner. Your assumptions about what a relationship would involve are just really odd to me. Not being able to conceive is also an odd point. Like, that's not something that everyone seeks from a spouse. Regardless, that in no way reflects on her ability to partake in a fruitful relationship.
@@ВладПанченко-р4р I found it kind of funny when he said " she is a vampire and will live forever" when she said she would like to be mortal again. Yes its worded oddly
i think you're right,sadly bethesda didnt make any other character as complex as her,so people see the complex personality that has more than just 2 lines of dialogue and go fawning over her for that very reason,purposefully ignoring all the facts you put in this video,in short the one to blame here is bethesda for not making any complex marriable characters or any complex characters besides serana at all xD
@@grammysworld5449just install Vilja and Vilja voice replacer mods,tell me then that you dont like having a marriable complex personality character xD if Aela had more dialogue shed probably be best default option,same goes for Mjoll but Bethesda really didnt put more depth to those characters at all when in my oppinion they deserve them
It's interesting to see how players gravitate towards well-developed personalities. Hopefully, in future releases, Bethesda will introduce more characters with the depth and complexity that fans desire.
I think players wanting to marry Serana is more of a reflection of them than what she is. Depending on the type of character I'm playing, even curing her of vampirism feels like some sort of passive-aggressive coercion. I'm happy to just let the game be the game and have her as intended.
A few points 1. Vampires can have children in oblivion the grey prince is a half vampire. 2. Her willingness to become human seems to go against lore. She loves being a vampire, just not what she had to do to become one. Also becoming human means that what she had to suffer through is ultimately meaningless. 3. she has a greeter aversion to holy places like temples and religious ceremonies, not necessarily the concept of spending her life with someone. 4. you also make the case that her marrying you would invalidate her journey of independence. However, her journey looks a lot like her following my lead. 5. How much time is enough time? When is it appropriate for a character to move on from their past especially when they could be traveling with a dragon born for decades or centuries on his adventures?
To the second point, I want to add that yes, Serana likes her powers only because she had to endure terrible suffering in order to receive them. She thinks she totally deserves them. However, the decision to become the Daughter of Cold Harbor was not hers, but Harkon and Valerie's. The opportunity to heal Serana and her joy after that suggests that those sufferings for the sake of strength are not meaningless. Just for the sake of finding happiness, sometimes you need to give up something. Vampirism caused her suffering, psychological trauma and the destruction of her family. Her willingness to let go of this power may indicate that she is striving for change, and the fact that she listened to Dovakin and, to some extent, healed for his sake, also has its weight.
As for No1., Vampires are a bit of a mess in TES. RIght now, we have over three different diseases that cause vampirism and then, suddenly, a ritual associated with Molag Bal makes you a vampire lord OUTSIDE the normal disease route (in Harkon's own words). My bet is that only some strains of vampirism allow having children, probably because they are not true undead/vampires. In ESO, there's also Lamae's own ritual, being a toned down version of the Molag Bal's one...and a substrain called Chaotica Vampiris that affects only existing vampires.
what sucks too about Serana is her HOOD BUG! shes been my follower for how many game hours now and recently just found out about this bug. i always treat my followers as a pack mule specially for those Dragon Loots lol i tried the console command like reseting her inventory yet nothing happens
It's a funny bug, too. I used a follower mod (Nether's) to show all her inventory, and she had about 300 hoods. The Unofficial Patch fixes this, but because I hate Arthmoor eternally, there's a few other mods that fix it.
This is untrue. Thou she does need time to heal but in one of the playthroughs I had she would tell Harkon to not touch your character meaning she would be protective for your character so and she also tells her mother Valerica that your character had done more for her than either of her parents in a thousand years so that sounds like she likes the dragonborn in some way
Dude, first off if a player have any serious time the game, then they have more the ONE play through... I'm on somewhere about 100th play in 11 years and yes I still drop newer games to go back to Skyrim I have it both on PC and Xbox One/X and I enjoy in the original and modded... I think I have married everybody in the at one time or other including Serana.... there's nothing with it, it's not like you chain Serana to the bed post and tell her, she just going to a f**K toy or the home version of a tavern wench... THEN I'd be sleeping in the local church!! THIS is my opinion alone (I think) and I do understand your point which is a valet one. Just think a RPG'er will play how they feel towards the game, lastly break the damn rules lol
Yeah, like the people who discovered the trick with phasing through walls with a wooden plate were breaking the rules. Test the limits of the mechanics. Of course... this is a Bethesda game, and as such, they're not hard to break...
I am greatful for this video. Finally someone to shed light on this issue that has haunted the skyrim community for years... Serana is not your loyal wifey, she would cheat on you the moment you go to fight aldiun.... please everybody stop simping get a life or marry lydia.
Sda and IFD are the two most powerful mods in my opinion for a legit canon follower. Giving the player the choice with both. Deepening the connection between the dragonborn and serana truly is a master piece. I think in SDA it should have taken longer to marry but it also helps fill in some blanks like why the dragonborn didnt kill her in the first place. She could have been less horny like a teenager but it can all be toggled on and off so that really isnt that bug of a deal. All in all i think these mods have changed the way we look at some of these followers that were just kinda blank ya know?
I always play as a vampire in game so the concept of growing old doesn’t matter to me and marrying someone who already is a vampire would make the RP aspect better because if I get married to a human then they’ll die in a short century and I’ll just have to find a new wife like that sounds cruel for the devs to do that to the players instead of allowing for a player to play however they want and to get a happy ending to the game
From a strictly role-playing perspective, I can see your point. However, if you just wanna play and have fun, in which I do I play with a slightly modded game. I have a few Serana mods, namely Seranaholic with the new voice add-ons. After we defeated Harkon and take her on her date, she proposes to the Dragonborn in a simple ceremony. Then we go back to the soul Carion, and inform Valaria, after she returns to the castle, I was able to take her as a follower as well. And both mom and daughter want my dragon blood, and as Serana puts it we’re all family now.😊
I only agree with the fact that Serana needs time, but nothing else. I'm not hating or anything, it's just that there's a lot of "evidence" that Serana is right for you. So, in my headcannon, I like to thinl that in the near future, the Dragonborn and Serana do get together and/or marry.
It shouldn't be that deep. Bethesda's vanilla marriage system would've been a slap in the face to a vampire, but they were too lazy to implement a workaround for what didn't even have to be traditional marriage.
Asking some players to consider that their goth mommy wifu may not be interested in them is a fool's errand. They don't care about her interest, they care only about their own. They can't even handle a fictional 'no' without taking critical damage to their masculinity for some reason. Some brothers are just that in the trenches, even if the rest of us can see what you mean. Hell, I'm sure that sort is in the comment section right now if we look, reeeing about how Serana is a hoe or something because the direct canon lines say it's not on the table. Try telling them the fictional women wouldn't and couldn't sleep with these sorts, it doesn't work, they're manchildren and they're big mad you would even suggest letting it go.
people often form deep connections with the narratives and characters they enjoy, and it can be challenging for some to separate personal desires from the established canon.
@@YourWaywardDestiny as someone who has the dailogue add on mod for her the only reason I would choose to married her is not for my own needs or shit. Her character was genuinely enjoyable in vanilla and with the mod added more into her character and personality. not cause “oooh she’s a vampire princess with crazy magic powers.” (Even when the vampire part gave her bonus points in the cool department). Since when did people saw her as a thing that benefits themselves and not a character with there own thoughts? Or is there a part of the community that I just don’t see?
Frankly, unless she removes her vampirism, her getting married seems ridiculous. She'd outlive anyone. Not to mention, you are right about her needing time to heal. There should also be some in game time where she wants to go spend some time alone to think. She'll send a missive telling you she's ready to join you again.
ill admit not being able to marry serana bites (no pun intended) that fact that she is the most competent follow in the game is enough until her i stopped using companions after i accidently killed bot faendal and lydia when they decided to run infont of my recently fired arrow to stab a random bandit so the fact that serana will stick to magic and stay out of the line of fire is a blessing
I don't know about the spouse thing, simply because there is little to no evidence of the dragon born aka the player in all the elder scrolls game, as in living family we know of and that's because every player plays the dragon born differently so for you to have the feeling you did the right choices that fit into the lore the dragon borns history and legacy is somewhat obscure, to my understanding that is
I agree and am glad she isn't marry option i think maybe if she cures herself that she should've been a marriage option by then to be honest but that's just my opinion and regardless if shes a marriage option or not shes a good companion.
pretty much every dragonborn is a murderer. i wouldnt marry her. she would make a good spouse for a vampire, rather than creating a new vampire bride/groom. way to overthink trivialities. lol
Yeah, my headcannon includes the Undeath mod, so I'm always a lich. An undying companion is nice, but marriage is an irrelevant concept for my character anyway.
Serana was locked because her Mother tried to save her from Harkon (follow a quest, idk which and serana's mother will explain why etc). What you said is wrong haha cuz Harkon wants "the Key" which serana has inside of her
i always felt she latches onto the player as family as in adopted sibling family because her own family were abusive. Most of her interactions are like a little sister. She even takes your advice at the end if you say she should become human and it doesn't appear to be a romantic gesture but, peer pressure by a sibling. I always felt the dialogue add on takes an "adopted sister" character and turns her into a wild sexpot temptress and that is unfortunate.
Logically marrying her is the best choice.not forcing anything,the Dragonborn has the best chance and potential to help serena heal and brings the best out of her.despite her family.this guys trolling in the video
I was wandering all over Skyrim, especially the holds. I think I can identify at least 5 more female characters in the vanilla game that physically are more attractive than Serana and likely are marry-able. I think people just fall for the voice actor who speaks so softly that the voice is soothing and attractive. It's a bit inappropriate and out of character for such a person with such a past and such a fractured family as well to talk so calmly. That's why people "fall" for this character. Also, as a total package I feel Mjoll is better but that's just me. If you gave Serana all the same dialogue and used a different voice actor like, say, Delphine, she becomes normal attractiveness.
Although i love Skyrim, i still don't get what's the fuss about her. Yes, she's a great npc. But that's her: still an npc. Letting her have freedom! Or not, who cares? Just do what YOU desire. This game is made for you, not for Serana. I myself tried both vanilla's platonic and Amorous Adventures' naughty routes and am on my way to try Serana Dialogue Addon. Just have fun!😉
You know this makes a lot of sense for a dawnguard ending, but I think you missed something for the vampire ending, you get turned into a vampire by her father..? Right? Wouldn't this make you related cuz you and serana have the same blood in a weird way..? I'm probably overthinking this but whatever... 😅
I totally agree. I love Seranna. In all my saves, i marry with other character but proceds to use Serana as follower. I already tryed dismiss her but i feel terrible when i see Serana siting alone in Fort Dawnguard. I feel make she comes with me give her a meaning. I dont need to marry her, or use xxxMods, i just need she on my side exploring Skyrim, discovering new places and complaining about caves xD I hate bethesda for not make a quest to give Seranna a new life, they just droop her in Fort Dawnguard with nothing....
While tough to hear Your right Even though serana is one of a kind its best that yall stay the way you are atleast that way even though its not what you wanted its what you needed
I have been playing with the elder scrolls v skyrim on my PlayStation 3 and 4, and even though it would have been a good idea, I know fully well that marring Serana, who is a vampire is really bad because she's like 100 to 300 plus years old or so even her vampirism made her look 30 years old or older?
Serana is hands down the best character in that she can affect the player more that any other, whether the player choses to simp later is a different thing. Although in my case it was even more amplified, lol. Oh god, what a rant. I dont think i can do a TL:DR. I think she is special in both what sort of character she is, and how she is technically presented in the game, but youll have to spend the five minutes to read it lol. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ So i didnt know anything about tes lore when starting playing, but i knew its about being dragonborn, so when i saw the first race were lizzardmen, it was settled. The game i enjoyed, lore an everything, but it was a bit gamey. The fact that all skyrim's "adventuring" argonians are thiefs or thugs only made me feel more separate from the people... Sure ralof and gerdur were nice to me, but then you move on from this mortal civil war buisness onto dragornborn buisness... Apparetntly I am shaping the fate of Nirn over here, equal to dragons, chosen by gods. Any heart warming moment with ralof or Karliah or isolda lasts for a short while, but i am not anything like them. Of course in reality these characters are just npcs and the world is just a game for me to play with and explore whatever game mechanics i want. And i think everyone plays a game this way on their fort playthrough, to an extent. But like i said in my case i felt it even more because all these choices and factors i feelt my character being shaped as a persom: a dragonborn lizzard, just like the dragons hoarding gold, cool spells and artifacts and powers. Including vampirism. Makes you think what sort of person willing to become undead and drink human just because "oh but there are some cool abilities coming with it". The only thing then that was keeping him from acting like an actual dragon is the way of the voice as described by the graybeards. I really enjoyed that bit, the dovakin initiation and stuff. So thats the only bit of honor and morality in my charater. But to think of marrying anyone, or being friends with anyone? Sorry, but i cant care about any of them, they are too shallow as characters, and i am not of thi world both as a player and as a charater. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ And then when i install the dawnguard quest, hoping to get some cool abilities as a vampire, i meet serana. The whole sequence is pure gold, the way she is foreshadowed, how you solve a silly puzzle to unlock her, how she falls out of the tomb making me want to catch her, all the first conversations, all of that is already more that you get from any NPC in the game, in my opinion. But when its over, its over. I expect the quest to be over and her gone, because thats what usually happens, and because i hate having a follower... But she doesnt want to leave. She has her needs and goals, unlike any other character in the game, she is with me for longer that a quest, and now im stuck with her having to do what she wants OUTSIDE of the quest, in my free play territory! No other quest in the game has this sort of urgency, no other charater aserts themselves this way. And while she is with, even though i am annoyed, i am unknowingly getting used to her way too much. She stays at the castle for the next quests, just long enough for me to start missing her, but then when she asks me to follow her, i am happy, and from that i am hooked to bring her with me on every future dawnguard quest and care more about her story. And what a story... Apparently she is out of this world, just like me, but unlike me she cares about her personal buisness, her family, her trauma, etc. She could take over the world with her father or kill her father and do it herself, but she doesnt, not because she choses good or whatever, but simply because she cares about different things. Of course in every storyline there are characters that care about things other than power, but they are just average skyrim people. Serana is more relatable, to my lizzard at least, and in that way to me, since i already explained how i identify with this character. And becaue me/my character care about her, in a way he had his own characte arc: he was just trying to get powers and cool bow, but he ended up finding someone he regarded as equal, and being changed by her in ways more than just getting more powers. And of course i enjoy her occasional flirty phrases (that exist) and her appearance (vanilla appearance), but marrying her never crossed my mind. Hugging an kissing? Maybe. But not most things i see when i search "serana" on nexus, skimpy outfit for serana is hot, and sure if the story continued for a few centuries after the game events, then maybe things would get sexual, especially since this immoral dovakin character is probably the only person she can relate to herself. But a few centuries havent passed yet, and as of right now anything sexual or romantic feels rapey and forcefull, exactly as the video describes. It completely destroys eveything about her that moved me and made me care in the first place.
I'm soooo glad I didn't let myself be swayed by the biased arguments in this video. I installed the Serana Dialog Expansion mod. It improved the game 1000%. Serana is at no time "forced" into any relationship, or anything else for that matter. The content of this video is rubbish. 👎👎👎😒😒😒
This video assume i woudnt jump at the chance of eternal life. Sure i need to drink blood but skyrim has no shortage of bandits. As for forced marriage. My dragonborn his the lissener, head of the thievesguild, archmage, harbinger, lord of vampires, etc, etc. I got more crimes/sin then all of skyrim combined. What is one more?
I have play Skyrim a long time but never think Serana are a good companion or i hate companion cuz i always play as Nightingale assassin and they always fked up my stealth plan
I wouldn't force her into marriedge but at least I would ask her for it see what she think. And if she would agree she is not my slave or my property I would let her do what she please and be free. And if she want to live as human then she can have a normal life. Dragonborn might be powerful but he techn also just a man. Maybe not totally normal and even Serana is a human she is far from normal. But at least Dragonborn can give her a path she can choose to make her own chooses. Just imagine they are married, she can come to Dragonborn home knock and then they take off running for more fun adventures. They can still be married and still do whatever they pleases. And I love even they not married they say we be like a family anyway. A strong friendship a powerful companion fo the Dragonborn and a true friend. We are something special that she not had for a long time a friend. She us Dragonborn and perhaps one day her heart will have a second thought.
Personally i believe of u become a immortal vampire i believe eventually she would give in to her feelings and end up in a relationship it will take time tho my fiance was raped at 14 and it took a while for my fiance to even get undressed infront of me she would also flinch sometimes when i touched her yrs into the relationship she is totally comfortable happy to get undfessed loves havong a shpwrr woth me basocally wbat im saying is it takes a long time for people to let there guard down after being having that happen
I still think that Serana is just the perfect wife/girlfriend for a Dragonborn. In this video, I can only agree with one statement - she needs time, that's right. But the fact that she did not show any interest in the Dragonborn in terms of romance is not true. In the game it can be noticed, but not so often. Even when Serana refuses marriage, she does not deny having feelings for Dovakin. One of the options for her answers: "Listen, I like you and I'll go anywhere with you, but it's not for me." Yes, at the moment she is not ready for marriage, she needs time. Dovakin will be by her side and give her this time, help her, support her. Serana has been through a lot, but she is a strong character, she will cope with her past. Vampirism can be cured, and I am inclined to believe that she will do so in the end, because she was turned against her will, and now she will make her choice. This will be her step towards a new life, where she will be able to open up to new things, including marriage. But even if there is no marriage, what prevents Dovakin and Serana from loving each other outside of marriage? Nothing. And all that it says there is only platonic relationships and so on, I just laugh at such people.
If she was perfect the developers would have made her a romantic option..... Lydia is the most perfect
@@enderdog7038 Lydia is empty npc, like others. Where she's a perfect? And in KC Serana has a option"Romantic follower". Developers wanted to make romao options, but maybe they didn't have time to realize that.
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We, as the Dragonborn, will help her fight her daddy, help her learn all the secrets that interest her and cure her of vampirism, so when she said that "marriage is not for her NOW" because she needs time to heal emotionally. I can't find a reason why we couldn't:
1. keep helping her, explore and live as two mortals and deepen our bond to finally get married and live a happy life as it suits us.
2. just give her time to explore, and learn about the world on her own and come back to us after some time because she understands that we helped her and worried about her all this time for her sake, not for anything else.
Edit: 3. We can be lovers and still live together like we did whole time but without official marriage.
Serana x Dragonborn is the best option for both of us. So the episode doesn't make sense and I don't invite you to discuss that it's different, because it's not.
@@-caukiemok5810 totally agree with you.
Maybe but Valerica is still very much in play especially after you deal with Harkon.
Aaaand, with some replacers and mods...
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Whilst Serana does sometimes flirt with the player as stated by some rando's here, you're right that marrying her is a bad idea.
The character as seen in Dawnguard really needs that time to heal, being pressured into marriage by her best friend would not be a good thing, bethesda did the right thing, for once.
Rando here. I think that if Bethesda had made her marriable in the base game, they probably wouldn't have handled it in a responsible way.... likely making a copy/paste system at the Temple of Mara in Riften, which wouldn't work for her character. This is one of the reasons I advocate for SDA over other mods that make her marriable. Because, at the very least the story arch in SDA has her come to terms with her past and in addition to this, when she's ready and the rapport with the player is great, she'll be the one who brings up marriage. And keeping in theme with her trepidation of temple ceremonies, if you go the romance route in the mod, you end up eloping. Like I said in another comment, say what you want about this mod... but I truly believe it handles this aspect of the player's relationship with Serana in a more responsible way especially compared to other mods.
She has daddy issues bro
@@Deathly_Visage is SDA any good? From hat i saw on the nexus page it feel like a less lazy but till misguided verssion of marriabe serana, where the author changes things to cater to his fantasies rather than advance the plot. THe fact that his video is featuring two bouncy bbed womn one of which being serana, isnt helping, but.. Am i wrong in that assesment.
As I said before it’s not being pressured into anything.I agree with deathly visage that she needs to confront her feelings and not run from her emotions and problems.
Its a game g
Saying that Serana never flirts or doesn't hint at a romanntic interest towards to player is inaccurate. Sure, it doesn't happen often, and in some playthroughs those types of interactions may not happen.
Player: What do you know about the Elder Scrolls?
Serana: mean... as much as anyone. Not a lot. You'd figure a couple hundred years locked away with one would have given me some insights, but no. Turns out you don't learn much from just sleeping with something.
Player: Are you saying you want to learn more about me?
Serana: Not at this rate, no. (or) I guess you'll never get to find out.
"I guess you'll never get to find out" literally has script notes in the creation kit labeling it as "this is flirty, not dismissive".
There are script notes for the scene right before entering the Soul Cairn (assuming you didn't pick any of the neutral or rude dialogue options) indicating how she's "pleased the player agrees" (if you choose to turn into a vampire) or how she's "happy she made a connection" with the player (if you choose to get soul trapped).
There's also a dialogue branch called "DLC1NPCMentalModelAdulteryZOMG". Basically what this branch does is allow you to ask Serana to marry you even if you're already married. And depending on what you told her earlier when she asked you about your family, she'll either respond with disgust/anger (seems to happen if you told her you were happy or unhappy in the marriage) Or, she'll respond with sadness "You're sweet to say that, but you need to sort things out on your own. It's not something I'm going to get involved with."
Even the some lines of the marriage addressal branch indicate less of a flatout rejection or more of her trepidation at the concept of a formal marriage. In other words, her saying things like "Look, I care about you. A lot. And I'll come with you wherever you want to go. But... with everything in my past, I don't think I could bring myself to go into a temple and ask for that kind of blessing. It's just... it's not for me." makes it sound more like because of her past, she believes she doesn't deserve to be married... not that she isn't interested in the player in a more than platonic way.
Also, there's the fact that she's uniquely referred to as a romanticfollower in the CK. She's the only one with that handle. If you spent any time looking at this character in depth in the Creation Kit, it becomes obvious that Bethesda most likely intended for her to be romancable (albeit maybe not in the mara preserve our marriage way) but possibly had to scrap it due to time constraints.
All this being said, I don't appreciate the mods that force a marriage on her in a completely unnatural way. Say what you want about this mod, but IMO SDA handles it the best especially in regards to how it addresses her trauma and helps her move past that. (Earlier versions weren't great, but it got better overtime with feedback.)
Bro why you upset whether an npc is flirting with you or not
Bro you a simp she clearly is frendzoning the dragonborn... I hope you are not like this in real life
@@MrEdgySprite They're correcting something said in the video, why are you upset about someone providing sources?
@@MrEdgySprite Neutral is my mode. I'm simply pointing out how if someone wants to present a rational argument against something, they need to at least be accurate about what they're arguing against. Else, your argument's gonna be flawed.
Good point about not all mods being made equal. I personally think it only makes sense to marry Serana in mods that tweak her personality, or add more character development where she works through some of her traumas. But in the end, it isn't the same Serana in those mods, and the Serana in vanilla Skyrim just doesn't make sense to marry.
I do agree that it makes sense for Serana to desire independence and platonic relationships given her background, and there's certainly nothing wrong with a pretty platonic follower.
That being said, I can't agree with the arguments for Serana's marriage being impractical. Vanilla Skyrim gives the player options to both join Serana in vampirism (as a pureblood via her father, Serana herself, or as a common vampire via any other vampire NPC in the game) or to have her join the Dragonborn in mortality (via the cure dialogue options), both of which render the practicality discussion moot. Even for those players that ignore all these vanilla options, a vampire / mortal relationship is not an unworkable one, as seen by the game allowing the Dragonborn to marry non-vampire NPCs while being (or becoming) a vampire themselves.
Each of the individual objections is also undercut either by gameplay or lore. For vampires not being able to conceive children and being forced to rely on adoption...that's the same for literally every marriageable NPC in the game, going off of vanilla gameplay which only allows children by adoption. Maybe this is simply a mechanical limit, or maybe it's the game hinting that the Dragonborn themselves is unable to have children naturally (this would certainly reinforce the idea of them being the Last Dragonborn, since they would be unable to pass on their dragon blood to natural-born children as did Tiber Septim or Alessia). In either case, it's not a problem unique to a vampire / mortal match in Skyrim, and thus not really an obstacle to their union. Dietary conflicts are also overstated. The lore does establish that vampires can eat normal food, though they cannot survive off of it alone and thus prefer raw meats and other food that provides some form of the blood they need to survive. This doesn't make the kitchen useless, but it does mean there's going to be something different and potentially off-putting in it. But that isn't a unique or deal-breaking problem, at least according to the game's own logic. It allows the Dragonborn to marry ordinary people just fine while using Namira's ring, being a Wood Elf, or being a vampire, even though these would introduce similar dietary complications. It also provides the Bosmer Faendal and Imperial Camilla as a possible vanilla NPC couple, meaning that having strange meat in the cupboard isn't necessarily a deal-breaker in the lore. As for safety concerns requiring wearing armor to bed, Serana herself shows this isn't true. Depending on your quest choices, she may spend nearly all her time day and night hanging out with a mortal Dragonborn (and possibly another mortal follower), as well as being around all the mortals in the Dawnguard - and in all that time she never once has to be pried off somebody's armored neck for losing control of her thirst in the middle of the night. Vampires are perfectly capable of controlling themselves and any relationship that's built up enough trust for marriage and romance to even be a possibility should also be a relationship where the mortal doesn't have to worry about the vampire snacking on them while they sleep (unless it's consensual: we don't judge). The only real problem that would remain is the vampire's immortality and the mortal's limited lifespan, but since the game and lore have mortal men and immortal mer marrying each other, this isn't seen as an insurmountable problem either.
Very well said. Solid points. I'm glad someone addressed them so eloquently.
Just a friendly reminder to take your medication. Because text walls on TH-cam are the sign of a manic person.
Nah, she flirt a lot with us, she is clearly into our character. Her only issue is the ceremonial because of very good reasons. With mods like SDA, we can help her deal with it and develop what the writters already shows. Marrying Serana is the best thing I did in Skyrim. She turns back to human just because she wanted to grow old with me, she is a loving loyal woman. And since I'm done questing, we live happy with children. The end, best ending ever.
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@@HendrxXx917Real like bro its a game😂
Grow old?
You gave up immortality?
You are insane.
Actually, she always flirts. One of her best (and constantly repeated) lines is: "I thought you'd never ask" when you invite her to follow you. Another one, even more flirty, is: "I knew you would miss me".
She also has an early flirty remark in the sense that one doesn't get to know anything or anyone by just sleeping with it/them. She says that while she speaks about her Elder Scroll but the remark has a double entendre in it and the Dragonborn is allowed to ask her if she wants to sleep with them. Of course, she says no... but she remains a flirt, even a teaser.
THats the sort of flirting youd can do with a friend, especially if you like that friend and would be romantically interested IF you werent 3000 yo abuse victim who has shit to sort out.
@@Bradley_UA I don’t make those kind of jokes with my friends. Also, is she allowed to ever move on with her life or does she have to keep her life on hold forever. She could be there for you through every single side quest, guild quest, and the main story events that would spend decades of time in universe, realistically. At the end of that long journey, it seems unrealistic if she has embraced you as a brother or as a lover either way your family.
You think that’s flirting? Yikes!
@@NeoKunoichi Dude is innocent, give him a break. I just hope he won't see a wink as an invitation :D
@@NeoKunoichi well, of course I do :) One must be really young and/or inexperienced in order not to take such behaviour as flirting. Flirting can be just social. But it's still one of the refined arts of communication which newer generations are totally missing, being so sadly de-sexualized.
Of course, not forcing her into marriage is the right thing to do but marrying her does not break roleplay. She can be cured of vampirism or you can become a vampire, both options are legitimate in the game. Conceiving children is not an option for any vanilla spouse, so the Dragonborn family always adopts kids. Alas, this means the Last Dragonborn doesn't establish a dynasty based on blood but well, life sometimes offers lemons.
Yes I do agree she needs time, when you have a childhood like hers you would need time to recover, but she never really denied having feelings for the Dragonborn and really you forgot to mention that you can just cure her in the game if you’ve chosen the dawnguard, you don’t need mods or cheats when it’s literally an option. And getting her cured will fix the “she’s a vampire so you can’t marry her” argument.
None of the arguments in this video are good.
The reason Serana wasn't marriageable is the same reason Frea wasn't marriageable, they were uniquely voiced characters that Bethesda didn't want to spend the time and money recording new lines and writing code for Hearthfire and the marriage system (or a potential new and unique system). If Bethesda thought that they could have made money off of it, and if they wanted to spend the time even doing it, then they would have made Serana and Frea marriageable. It came down to time and money. It was easier and cheaper to make them both have a few lines rejecting marriage.
Exactly.
The reality is that Bethesda wanted to spend as little money as possible on making the DLCs for maximum profit.
And that is why they made them unmarriageable, as making them marriageable would demand spending/wasting more time and money.
The arguments in this video for why marrying Serana would be wrong, are just wrong and stupid.
While I do agree that marriage is most likely off the table… romance isn’t. It would actually be incredibly powerful if done right to show an arc of her realizing that intimacy isn’t an act of dominance or submission but of love. To say that a romance with her would be out of the table would be to deny her an actual healthy way of dealing with her trauma. In fact, it’s actually what victims of her circumstances sometimes do, because there’s a certain liberation that comes with CHOOSING to be intimate with someone rather than being forced into it. It feels like you’ve claimed your body back, of course the trauma isn’t ever going to go away, but it can be helped.
"Serana has spent most of her long life isolated and controlled by her family and after dealing with so much trauma surrounding her parents, the last thing she would want is to be chain down again in a forced new relationship right after gaining independence"
And now she's chain down again with her loneliness in a world completely different from the one she remembers. What's the point of gaining freedom from vampirism and her parents' manipulation if she will live afraid and isolating herself? That's not freedom, she just changed her iron chains for gold chains, instead of really breaking them, and that's the whole point of her relationship with the Dragonborn, because she finally breaks the chains that enslaved her by doing the only thing she couldn't do in her life before isolation: decide for herself.
That's why you get the dialogue to suggest her to cure her vampirism, and that's why you can choose between the Dawnguard or the Volkihar because you're giving her either the oportunity to redeem herself or follow her current path for herself and not because of her parents. She also deserves to be happy with a new family, and forget if you want to marry her or not, you are the reason why she's happy again in a life full of darkness, you are her light now.
The way that you refer to marriage as someone being “chained down” says a lot more about how you view marriage than whether marriage would be right for Serena.
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😂😂 you're so hurt
No the reason there is no romance here is because most of the time Bethesda is to lazy to inplement romance or proper marriage mechanics in their games specially when you compare it to boulders gate 3
No one asked you. I will marry Serana all that I want.
No one asked you either.
spoken like a true manchild
@@littleregg3164 L plus ratio
Simp confirmed
All of the mentioned reasons are confirmation that she’s the canonical dragonborn gf. They got years to figure it out now that skyrim is safe from alduin and the vamps
Serana seems like shed be down with casual sex with the Dragonborn..
@OnyxWarlord I always forget who cynical Molag bal was.. Good catch
Me after watching this video: "Well, I don't know about the rest of you guys but I spotted several big mistakes"
I never even thought of trying to marry Serana. Always saw the partnership more professional than anything else. I married the wenches. Got one in each home (mod) and more homes than the standard 11 (mod)
Apparently the game design reason was because the voice actor didnt want her character to marry the player because she had a husband in real life. Thats honestly so stupid thought as the game was basically giving you the best romance option in the entire game. Like ive never been one to actually marry a character in skyrim games because i just think its a hassle but the one time i did it was with serena because her character seemed to be perfect for the dragon born then i tried and shes like naw im good. She really seemed like the perfect candidate in game because shes the most fleshed out and also best follower in the entire game so its pretty lame
Yeahhh gonna say there’s no way that Laura Bailey would say that. She’s voiced other characters w romantic interests, even while in media w her husband (Critical Role)
@@ninjinistarsong3792While I can't say if the statement is true as I don't know technically she might be okay with it when it's an act as in just two actors doing their job. However in a game where the player can marry the characters she's voicing it gets wish fulfillment kinda vibes maybe.
@@viogo4690 not wanting to do it bc of wish fulfillment vibes is a different reason than the original commenter said, which also has no backing. I just don’t know if it’s in character for laura bailey to actually do that. If only we could ask her whether or not she changed Serana’s story. And in general, you can’t really demand that certain lines or situations be changed in a game. Its a job. While she probably had some input, it was ultimately up to the writers.
@@ninjinistarsong3792 Yes it is different. I was just offering a possible solution if it was true she chose not to do it. Tbh I don't actually think it's true personally. Probably the game just wrote themselves into a corner with her backstory. Some actors are able to though demand certain things if they want them bad enough. Not saying she did or not, idk but it's theoretically possible is what I'm saying. All I know is at one point she was meant to be romancable but for some reason they decided not to. Honestly I'd just give her a original marriage method. Based on affinity through certain dialogue, in game time adventuring, and when you pass the checks you get married somewhere that's not a temple.
Everyone kissing Serana's feet.
Meanwhile me: "So Elisif. I hear you're single now."
A lot you say is not bad, but one has to remember something here, this game is a RP fantasy game.. This game has dragons, and they talk, talking cats, talking dogs, wear wolves, wear bears, elves.. ex.. ex.. So one picks up the game and plays the Dawnguard DLC. They play about 6-8hrs of game time only to get to the end of it all and to be told NO. Now, lets compare that to Miss Ysolda, grab her a tusk and if your a Khajiit, well.. no problem. She's knocking you down to get to Riften for marriage.. Lol. So little work for such a reward and yet.. Miss Serana? Your toon runs all over Skyrim to do quest for her. Then your toon risk life and limb in game (if one is playing final death). Then you face one of the most powerful vampire lords in Skyrim and beat him... Yeah, they should have made it so one could marry her. Was a dumb idea from Bethesda. If Serana needed time, fine.. let her have it, np. I usually role as a vamp so lets look at it from there.. Mom moves back home so she can do her mom thing in the garden. One takes over as the new vampire lord in the castle and gets the place fixed back up.. Only to be told Nope. Again, I do like some of the things you've said in the video, but at the end of the day if one doesn't want to marry Serana for the reasons you mention, fine. That should have been up too the player, not some NPC.. I'll be the one who says it, Yep, glad mods fixed that problem.. Peace
The player also should have been able to kill her on sight. I get that the Dawnguard story would not have happened, but then again, this is a game company that prides itself on "player choices", and then proceeds to take control away from the player and forces them down a preset path, and calls it "player choice". You joined a guild of vampire hunters, Serana's a vampire... do the math. You would miss out on her being an awesome teammate because you made a reckless choice, but it should have been your choice to make. It's not our fault that Bethesda devs are lazy and couldn't be bothered to program branching paths.
with serana im pretty sure you can both cure her and marry her without console commands or mods
In my playthrough i just see it as you never actually settle down. Since she doesn't seem to like marriage I just see it as something that would happen way later down the road, like the future after quite literally everything is done. Like an actual relationship persay rather than these quite instantaneous relationships and marriages. Something that would eventually happen after I quit playing the playthrough.
The Serana Dialogue Add-on does a good job at it. You can take you time if you choose to pursue the romance, by denying her advances in the Ancestor Glade when she's having her breakdown. It's not a bad idea to marry Serana. She has a trauma she needs to overcome. By not having an official temple cerimony and letting you tell Serana to focus and make sure this is what she wants, I think the mod addressed this issue well. Not to mention the fact Serana does have flirtaceous comments with you if you choose your dialogue options correctly in vanilla. I only triggered the "I guess you'll never get to find out" once, and I've no idea how. But I managed to get the "Me too" when choosing the "Then I'm glad you're the one doing it" before entering the Soul Cairn. She does want something with the Dragonborn but she is stuck to her trauma. Thankfully SDA has some tact in handling the matter. Not only that, but when you fight Harkon, you have the option of saying "I would never hurt Serana, she's special." and his response implies you two are an item.
@@ravindunandirathna1600 I've no idea...
So much wrong in this video
How could anyone get the idea that asking someone to marry you and them saying yes means that you've forced them into marriage?
I get why it might be weird to use console commands to make her be married to you after she rejected you, but that's not a problem with mods.
Though as someone who can't help but optimize everything he can, marrying her would mean that I either loose out on her as a companion or the gold her shop would make.
BTW: The AIs might just have gotten that good but this video has a bit of an GPT vibe to it.
Why Serana when her mother Valerika is completely free. After all, we killed her husband)
You shouldn't marry Ulfric Stormcloak using mods either. He's really not the relationship type. His overall character make him a bad idea.
and then, a month after the end of Skyrim she is dating Isran
I just wanted to say i never really used mods on serana, but if i did it would be messed up thing to do, But she's been going through a lot lately since her messed up childhood, and she really needs time to heal from all this mess that she got into, and we all as dragonborn will help her and protect her and support her in any way we can, So that she can feel like she's more free and happy when we both explore the open world of tamriel too let all the bad things get of her mind, and so that the good things can come to her and feel more open and happy with the dragonborn. and one day, her time will or might come with a romantic relationship when she feels like she wants to be bonded with the dragonborn. And always show her respect, honesty, and trust.
I think it's worth noting, the issue isn't with marrying Serana, it's just that Skyrim's marriages are very one-dimensional. Like with Serana clearly not being the type to settle down, no one can tell me that Aela's the type who would want to become a house-wife after being a Companion. It's implied more than once in Dawnguard that she might have some sort of romantic interest in the Dragonborn, and the writers had to have known that players would want her as a marriage option. But Skyrim's type of marriage is a blanket that doesn't cover a number of characters in the game appropriately.
What I think they should have done, is have a romance option that doesn't involve marriage. You're 'together', you're partners, but you're not married. That would have just made more sense. I'd argue that the Serana Dialogue Add-On mod handles this fairly well as a whole, though I would agree that there shouldn't be any overt romance options during the Dawnguard quest line because that just doesn't make sense and they should only appear after the Dawnguard campaign is complete.
I feel like doing the Dawnguard/Vampire questline with Serena is like watching 500 days of Summer or even like Scott Pilgrim
You say that she shouldn't be in a relationship because she wouldn't want to be "forced into a situation where someone else makes major life decisions for her". You also say that she wouldn't want to be "chained down" or "manipulated and controlled". That's not what relationships entail, at least not good ones. Nothing about her inherently means that she couldn't find solace in a romantic partner. Your assumptions about what a relationship would involve are just really odd to me.
Not being able to conceive is also an odd point. Like, that's not something that everyone seeks from a spouse. Regardless, that in no way reflects on her ability to partake in a fruitful relationship.
I will add to the question of pregnancy. Serana can be cure from vampirism and become pregnant as a human.
@@ВладПанченко-р4р I found it kind of funny when he said " she is a vampire and will live forever" when she said she would like to be mortal again.
Yes its worded oddly
I rlly don’t know where he got the “forced.” Shit from. ik there are terrible people out there but good lord not everyone’s like that?
what if your character is a wood elf who also is a vampire
i think you're right,sadly bethesda didnt make any other character as complex as her,so people see the complex personality that has more than just 2 lines of dialogue and go fawning over her for that very reason,purposefully ignoring all the facts you put in this video,in short the one to blame here is bethesda for not making any complex marriable characters or any complex characters besides serana at all xD
Bethesda isn't to "blame" for it.. This was intentional for that very reason..
@@grammysworld5449just install Vilja and Vilja voice replacer mods,tell me then that you dont like having a marriable complex personality character xD
if Aela had more dialogue shed probably be best default option,same goes for Mjoll but Bethesda really didnt put more depth to those characters at all when in my oppinion they deserve them
It's interesting to see how players gravitate towards well-developed personalities. Hopefully, in future releases, Bethesda will introduce more characters with the depth and complexity that fans desire.
We don't give two shits what her past is
I think players wanting to marry Serana is more of a reflection of them than what she is. Depending on the type of character I'm playing, even curing her of vampirism feels like some sort of passive-aggressive coercion. I'm happy to just let the game be the game and have her as intended.
Dude thinks abused women should not get married
A few points
1. Vampires can have children in oblivion the grey prince is a half vampire.
2. Her willingness to become human seems to go against lore. She loves being a vampire, just not what she had to do to become one. Also becoming human means that what she had to suffer through is ultimately meaningless.
3. she has a greeter aversion to holy places like temples and religious ceremonies, not necessarily the concept of spending her life with someone.
4. you also make the case that her marrying you would invalidate her journey of independence. However, her journey looks a lot like her following my lead.
5. How much time is enough time? When is it appropriate for a character to move on from their past especially when they could be traveling with a dragon born for decades or centuries on his adventures?
To the second point, I want to add that yes, Serana likes her powers only because she had to endure terrible suffering in order to receive them. She thinks she totally deserves them. However, the decision to become the Daughter of Cold Harbor was not hers, but Harkon and Valerie's. The opportunity to heal Serana and her joy after that suggests that those sufferings for the sake of strength are not meaningless. Just for the sake of finding happiness, sometimes you need to give up something. Vampirism caused her suffering, psychological trauma and the destruction of her family. Her willingness to let go of this power may indicate that she is striving for change, and the fact that she listened to Dovakin and, to some extent, healed for his sake, also has its weight.
As for No1., Vampires are a bit of a mess in TES. RIght now, we have over three different diseases that cause vampirism and then, suddenly, a ritual associated with Molag Bal makes you a vampire lord OUTSIDE the normal disease route (in Harkon's own words). My bet is that only some strains of vampirism allow having children, probably because they are not true undead/vampires.
In ESO, there's also Lamae's own ritual, being a toned down version of the Molag Bal's one...and a substrain called Chaotica Vampiris that affects only existing vampires.
what sucks too about Serana is her HOOD BUG! shes been my follower for how many game hours now and recently just found out about this bug. i always treat my followers as a pack mule specially for those Dragon Loots lol
i tried the console command like reseting her inventory yet nothing happens
It's a funny bug, too. I used a follower mod (Nether's) to show all her inventory, and she had about 300 hoods. The Unofficial Patch fixes this, but because I hate Arthmoor eternally, there's a few other mods that fix it.
This is untrue. Thou she does need time to heal but in one of the playthroughs I had she would tell Harkon to not touch your character meaning she would be protective for your character so and she also tells her mother Valerica that your character had done more for her than either of her parents in a thousand years so that sounds like she likes the dragonborn in some way
Dude, first off if a player have any serious time the game, then they have more the ONE play through... I'm on somewhere about 100th play in 11 years and yes I still drop newer games to go back to Skyrim I have it both on PC and Xbox One/X and I enjoy in the original and modded... I think I have married everybody in the at one time or other including Serana.... there's nothing with it, it's not like you chain Serana to the bed post and tell her, she just going to a f**K toy or the home version of a tavern wench... THEN I'd be sleeping in the local church!! THIS is my opinion alone (I think) and I do understand your point which is a valet one. Just think a RPG'er will play how they feel towards the game, lastly break the damn rules lol
Yeah, like the people who discovered the trick with phasing through walls with a wooden plate were breaking the rules. Test the limits of the mechanics. Of course... this is a Bethesda game, and as such, they're not hard to break...
isn't a kitchen where you would normally stock your raw meat
"It's morally wrong to force her to change."
But apparently you think installing mods to change her appearance doesn't count?
I am greatful for this video. Finally someone to shed light on this issue that has haunted the skyrim community for years... Serana is not your loyal wifey, she would cheat on you the moment you go to fight aldiun.... please everybody stop simping get a life or marry lydia.
Sda and IFD are the two most powerful mods in my opinion for a legit canon follower. Giving the player the choice with both. Deepening the connection between the dragonborn and serana truly is a master piece. I think in SDA it should have taken longer to marry but it also helps fill in some blanks like why the dragonborn didnt kill her in the first place. She could have been less horny like a teenager but it can all be toggled on and off so that really isnt that bug of a deal. All in all i think these mods have changed the way we look at some of these followers that were just kinda blank ya know?
Bro no offence it sounds like you love Skyrim a bit to much remember it's just game
I always play as a vampire in game so the concept of growing old doesn’t matter to me and marrying someone who already is a vampire would make the RP aspect better because if I get married to a human then they’ll die in a short century and I’ll just have to find a new wife like that sounds cruel for the devs to do that to the players instead of allowing for a player to play however they want and to get a happy ending to the game
From a strictly role-playing perspective, I can see your point. However, if you just wanna play and have fun, in which I do I play with a slightly modded game. I have a few Serana mods, namely Seranaholic with the new voice add-ons. After we defeated Harkon and take her on her date, she proposes to the Dragonborn in a simple ceremony. Then we go back to the soul Carion, and inform Valaria, after she returns to the castle, I was able to take her as a follower as well. And both mom and daughter want my dragon blood, and as Serana puts it we’re all family now.😊
I only agree with the fact that Serana needs time, but nothing else. I'm not hating or anything, it's just that there's a lot of "evidence" that Serana is right for you. So, in my headcannon, I like to thinl that in the near future, the Dragonborn and Serana do get together and/or marry.
I will marry Hestia instead. She's my kind of blood thirsty. Also she was one of the Companions once.
Hestia
Yes bro good on you
It shouldn't be that deep. Bethesda's vanilla marriage system would've been a slap in the face to a vampire, but they were too lazy to implement a workaround for what didn't even have to be traditional marriage.
this comment section is wild. makes me want to choose the bear too.
Asking some players to consider that their goth mommy wifu may not be interested in them is a fool's errand. They don't care about her interest, they care only about their own. They can't even handle a fictional 'no' without taking critical damage to their masculinity for some reason. Some brothers are just that in the trenches, even if the rest of us can see what you mean. Hell, I'm sure that sort is in the comment section right now if we look, reeeing about how Serana is a hoe or something because the direct canon lines say it's not on the table. Try telling them the fictional women wouldn't and couldn't sleep with these sorts, it doesn't work, they're manchildren and they're big mad you would even suggest letting it go.
Doesnt Help that she is the only one that is remotely interesting to marry because lets be honest the other Options are Lot blander
people often form deep connections with the narratives and characters they enjoy, and it can be challenging for some to separate personal desires from the established canon.
…ok buddy you lost me when it got to the “they don’t care about her interests they care only about their own” ????
@@primalfire7689 what part about that is confusing
@@YourWaywardDestiny as someone who has the dailogue add on mod for her the only reason I would choose to married her is not for my own needs or shit. Her character was genuinely enjoyable in vanilla and with the mod added more into her character and personality. not cause “oooh she’s a vampire princess with crazy magic powers.” (Even when the vampire part gave her bonus points in the cool department). Since when did people saw her as a thing that benefits themselves and not a character with there own thoughts? Or is there a part of the community that I just don’t see?
She said yes, didn't she?
Frankly, unless she removes her vampirism, her getting married seems ridiculous. She'd outlive anyone. Not to mention, you are right about her needing time to heal. There should also be some in game time where she wants to go spend some time alone to think. She'll send a missive telling you she's ready to join you again.
ill admit not being able to marry serana bites (no pun intended) that fact that she is the most competent follow in the game is enough until her i stopped using companions after i accidently killed bot faendal and lydia when they decided to run infont of my recently fired arrow to stab a random bandit so the fact that serana will stick to magic and stay out of the line of fire is a blessing
Guess I'm a simp. Love the interactions I had with her. Compared to the vanilla romance feeling all robotic and cookie cut.
I don't know about the spouse thing, simply because there is little to no evidence of the dragon born aka the player in all the elder scrolls game, as in living family we know of and that's because every player plays the dragon born differently so for you to have the feeling you did the right choices that fit into the lore the dragon borns history and legacy is somewhat obscure, to my understanding that is
I agree and am glad she isn't marry option i think maybe if she cures herself that she should've been a marriage option by then to be honest but that's just my opinion and regardless if shes a marriage option or not shes a good companion.
Well she's back after I killed harkon, no longer a vampire. Yes I do believe it's time to do the deed. Besides I'm trophy hunting
pretty much every dragonborn is a murderer. i wouldnt marry her. she would make a good spouse for a vampire, rather than creating a new vampire bride/groom. way to overthink trivialities. lol
Incredible, a hole video just to explain how is a complete nonsense NOT marry with her
Most people reject his message, they hated Pixel Party because he told them the truth
Yeah, my headcannon includes the Undeath mod, so I'm always a lich. An undying companion is nice, but marriage is an irrelevant concept for my character anyway.
She can be cured
Yeah out of vampirism but not out of dixk addiction
Serana was locked because her Mother tried to save her from Harkon (follow a quest, idk which and serana's mother will explain why etc). What you said is wrong haha cuz Harkon wants "the Key" which serana has inside of her
i always felt she latches onto the player as family as in adopted sibling family because her own family were abusive. Most of her interactions are like a little sister. She even takes your advice at the end if you say she should become human and it doesn't appear to be a romantic gesture but, peer pressure by a sibling. I always felt the dialogue add on takes an "adopted sister" character and turns her into a wild sexpot temptress and that is unfortunate.
Logically marrying her is the best choice.not forcing anything,the Dragonborn has the best chance and potential to help serena heal and brings the best out of her.despite her family.this guys trolling in the video
Yeah, about that… she’s my stepdaughter in the game. I have a mod that let me marry her mother………
I was wandering all over Skyrim, especially the holds. I think I can identify at least 5 more female characters in the vanilla game that physically are more attractive than Serana and likely are marry-able. I think people just fall for the voice actor who speaks so softly that the voice is soothing and attractive. It's a bit inappropriate and out of character for such a person with such a past and such a fractured family as well to talk so calmly. That's why people "fall" for this character. Also, as a total package I feel Mjoll is better but that's just me.
If you gave Serana all the same dialogue and used a different voice actor like, say, Delphine, she becomes normal attractiveness.
Although i love Skyrim, i still don't get what's the fuss about her. Yes, she's a great npc. But that's her: still an npc.
Letting her have freedom! Or not, who cares? Just do what YOU desire. This game is made for you, not for Serana.
I myself tried both vanilla's platonic and Amorous Adventures' naughty routes and am on my way to try Serana Dialogue Addon.
Just have fun!😉
You know this makes a lot of sense for a dawnguard ending, but I think you missed something for the vampire ending, you get turned into a vampire by her father..? Right? Wouldn't this make you related cuz you and serana have the same blood in a weird way..? I'm probably overthinking this but whatever... 😅
I totally agree. I love Seranna. In all my saves, i marry with other character but proceds to use Serana as follower.
I already tryed dismiss her but i feel terrible when i see Serana siting alone in Fort Dawnguard. I feel make she comes with me give her a meaning.
I dont need to marry her, or use xxxMods, i just need she on my side exploring Skyrim, discovering new places and complaining about caves xD
I hate bethesda for not make a quest to give Seranna a new life, they just droop her in Fort Dawnguard with nothing....
Wow,
Who hurt you?
While tough to hear
Your right
Even though serana is one of a kind its best that yall stay the way you are atleast that way even though its not what you wanted its what you needed
We do not care
I feel like over time she will enjoy coc again. Also why do people defend her, she willingly gave herself to the daedric lord. I dont feel bad for her
"chained down" is that how you view marriage? Also in the mod it's not forced it's done in a tastful way, also your assuming a lot things
I have been playing with the elder scrolls v skyrim on my PlayStation 3 and 4, and even though it would have been a good idea, I know fully well that marring Serana, who is a vampire is really bad because she's like 100 to 300 plus years old or so even her vampirism made her look 30 years old or older?
Serana is hands down the best character in that she can affect the player more that any other, whether the player choses to simp later is a different thing. Although in my case it was even more amplified, lol. Oh god, what a rant. I dont think i can do a TL:DR. I think she is special in both what sort of character she is, and how she is technically presented in the game, but youll have to spend the five minutes to read it lol.
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So i didnt know anything about tes lore when starting playing, but i knew its about being dragonborn, so when i saw the first race were lizzardmen, it was settled. The game i enjoyed, lore an everything, but it was a bit gamey. The fact that all skyrim's "adventuring" argonians are thiefs or thugs only made me feel more separate from the people... Sure ralof and gerdur were nice to me, but then you move on from this mortal civil war buisness onto dragornborn buisness... Apparetntly I am shaping the fate of Nirn over here, equal to dragons, chosen by gods. Any heart warming moment with ralof or Karliah or isolda lasts for a short while, but i am not anything like them.
Of course in reality these characters are just npcs and the world is just a game for me to play with and explore whatever game mechanics i want. And i think everyone plays a game this way on their fort playthrough, to an extent. But like i said in my case i felt it even more because all these choices and factors i feelt my character being shaped as a persom: a dragonborn lizzard, just like the dragons hoarding gold, cool spells and artifacts and powers. Including vampirism. Makes you think what sort of person willing to become undead and drink human just because "oh but there are some cool abilities coming with it".
The only thing then that was keeping him from acting like an actual dragon is the way of the voice as described by the graybeards. I really enjoyed that bit, the dovakin initiation and stuff. So thats the only bit of honor and morality in my charater. But to think of marrying anyone, or being friends with anyone? Sorry, but i cant care about any of them, they are too shallow as characters, and i am not of thi world both as a player and as a charater.
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And then when i install the dawnguard quest, hoping to get some cool abilities as a vampire, i meet serana. The whole sequence is pure gold, the way she is foreshadowed, how you solve a silly puzzle to unlock her, how she falls out of the tomb making me want to catch her, all the first conversations, all of that is already more that you get from any NPC in the game, in my opinion. But when its over, its over. I expect the quest to be over and her gone, because thats what usually happens, and because i hate having a follower...
But she doesnt want to leave. She has her needs and goals, unlike any other character in the game, she is with me for longer that a quest, and now im stuck with her having to do what she wants OUTSIDE of the quest, in my free play territory! No other quest in the game has this sort of urgency, no other charater aserts themselves this way. And while she is with, even though i am annoyed, i am unknowingly getting used to her way too much. She stays at the castle for the next quests, just long enough for me to start missing her, but then when she asks me to follow her, i am happy, and from that i am hooked to bring her with me on every future dawnguard quest and care more about her story.
And what a story... Apparently she is out of this world, just like me, but unlike me she cares about her personal buisness, her family, her trauma, etc. She could take over the world with her father or kill her father and do it herself, but she doesnt, not because she choses good or whatever, but simply because she cares about different things.
Of course in every storyline there are characters that care about things other than power, but they are just average skyrim people. Serana is more relatable, to my lizzard at least, and in that way to me, since i already explained how i identify with this character. And becaue me/my character care about her, in a way he had his own characte arc: he was just trying to get powers and cool bow, but he ended up finding someone he regarded as equal, and being changed by her in ways more than just getting more powers.
And of course i enjoy her occasional flirty phrases (that exist) and her appearance (vanilla appearance), but marrying her never crossed my mind. Hugging an kissing? Maybe. But not most things i see when i search "serana" on nexus, skimpy outfit for serana is hot, and sure if the story continued for a few centuries after the game events, then maybe things would get sexual, especially since this immoral dovakin character is probably the only person she can relate to herself. But a few centuries havent passed yet, and as of right now anything sexual or romantic feels rapey and forcefull, exactly as the video describes. It completely destroys eveything about her that moved me and made me care in the first place.
LOL not every BOY in these comments going “well actually..” like cmon now
Bro rlly expecting the worse out of others
and ya know what knowing people nowadays can’t say I rlly blame em
But that does mean a point
I'm soooo glad I didn't let myself be swayed by the biased arguments in this video. I installed the Serana Dialog Expansion mod. It improved the game 1000%. Serana is at no time "forced" into any relationship, or anything else for that matter. The content of this video is rubbish. 👎👎👎😒😒😒
actually she flirts several times
This video assume i woudnt jump at the chance of eternal life.
Sure i need to drink blood but skyrim has no shortage of bandits.
As for forced marriage.
My dragonborn his the lissener, head of the thievesguild, archmage, harbinger, lord of vampires, etc, etc.
I got more crimes/sin then all of skyrim combined.
What is one more?
So i need to download a mod to change her backstory and personality too hhmmmm, ok i got it
I have play Skyrim a long time but never think Serana are a good companion or i hate companion cuz i always play as Nightingale assassin and they always fked up my stealth plan
Yes, yes... but what about her mother? :)
Cool argument, I’m still gonna marry her tho
But you can't marry her unless you use a mod
But it’s Laura Bailey 😭😭
She needs a best friend not a husband
Serana is mad annoying after u complete the dawnguard quest line, y’all just simp too hard because u got to know a fictional character personally 😂
😂 just marry lydia atp
I wouldn't force her into marriedge but at least I would ask her for it see what she think. And if she would agree she is not my slave or my property I would let her do what she please and be free. And if she want to live as human then she can have a normal life. Dragonborn might be powerful but he techn also just a man. Maybe not totally normal and even Serana is a human she is far from normal. But at least Dragonborn can give her a path she can choose to make her own chooses. Just imagine they are married, she can come to Dragonborn home knock and then they take off running for more fun adventures. They can still be married and still do whatever they pleases. And I love even they not married they say we be like a family anyway. A strong friendship a powerful companion fo the Dragonborn and a true friend. We are something special that she not had for a long time a friend. She us Dragonborn and perhaps one day her heart will have a second thought.
Personally i believe of u become a immortal vampire i believe eventually she would give in to her feelings and end up in a relationship it will take time tho my fiance was raped at 14 and it took a while for my fiance to even get undressed infront of me she would also flinch sometimes when i touched her
yrs into the relationship she is totally comfortable happy to get undfessed loves havong a shpwrr woth me basocally wbat im saying is it takes a long time for people to let there guard down after being having that happen
damn bro... now i feel bad man
I can change him
I may agree with your arguments, but at the end of the day its a single player moddable game. Do whatever the fuck you want with it. :)