Perhaps Apple should introduce paid support for old Macs, I wouldn't mind paying a small fee for official support after a number of years, I'm glad we have OpenCore to fallback on.
It’s a bit naive to think like that. What Apple wants is to ask you to paid full price for a replacement machine with only little additional/improved features or a little faster machine. Apple is very mind that you just pay so little but thinking of getting so much support.
Brother! This video really helped me fill in the gaps and understand OpenCore better. Thank you 🙏 Liked & Subbed! 💯 Can you make a tutorial on how you would get macOS Sonoma 14 on to a PC stable with everything working if you have time? Not only will that video help a lot of people but I’m sure it will grow your channel significantly because that is a VERY popular topic right now with the rising prices of Apple Computers. 💯
So many people talk about installing OpenCore Patcher to “use” the latest macOS, but none of them demonstrates how to recover your mac from a backup, such as from a Time Machine backup. Do you think the Internet Recovery / Restore from Time Machine backup works the same way as a currently supporting Mac?
Yep, I can’t recall off the top of my head if disk utility shows a full APFS container but if you view it from the terminal, you can see the efi partition in the container. macOS doesn’t really use it other than to stage firmware updates as I understand it.
Greetings ! I have a question I recently installed Ventura 13.3.1 on a 2010 macbook with open core . Question , Can I use migration assistant to move data from a 2015 macbook pro running montery to the 2010 now ? I tried it and it gave me some trouble .... Thanks ......
Just tried migration assistant and the 2010 mac got stuck at Migration Assistant 'setting up' and froze . I had to force shut down to get out of it ..... Just sayin .... Any thoughts ? ...... :D
Can I trust 0CLP with personal data on my machine? I know I have to make the decision myself and measure the risk blah blah blah, but do any of you have personal private information on an 0CLP computer? I mean what benefit do the OCLP guys get for doing this free work? Sure it’s open source but is it the actual code or is it just a copy of all the code and it’s what they say is all the code when it could be missing parts? Could these guys just look at anybody’s computer and what’s in it? I would love to Upgrade my computer but I don’t see the point of doing it if I can’t even use it for personal use. Do you or any of you out there? Have your personal information on these machines and if so why do you trust it? I would really like to know because I would really like to feel good about running Ventura on my old MacBook Pro and use Universal Control with my iPad. Thx
It’s an open source project so there’s a lot of eyes on it. there’s nothing inherently preventing privacy violation in OpenCore via kext injection. Yes, someone could develop malware and make it as part of a OpenCore configuration but being open source, this almost certainly would not make it into any sort of distribution as the project maintainers would not accept said code. Someone could alter it or include their malicious but then it wouldn't be from the official repo. I would recommend checking out OpenCore groups for a better break down. If you're fearful of OpenSource, a lot of core technologies that power macOS are opensource, down to the terminal with ZSH or it's networking code like SMB or Apache. Open source has it's pros and cons, but generally for security is viewed as positive.
@@dmug thanks for the reply. I wouldn’t ask you for advice on personal security, only on how you use this technology. So do you trust it with your personal data like using banking apps and passwords, iCloud, etc? Do you know of others using and trusting it in that manner too? I just don’t see the point in doing it, if I can’t use it as a personal computer. I mean what are all these people using it for?
@@mofosoto I'd highly recommend taking your security concerns to an OpenCore group, they exist on Reddit, Facebook, MacRumors, etc. There's no more security risk here than running, say, a Hackintosh. Changes are being injected into macOS via boot loader, and they aren't nefarious. Using OpenCore doesn't lower macOS's security either as you don't have to disable core technologies like SIP. The developers of OpenCore do not gain access to your passwords or encryption keys. In fact, the changes are injected long before most of the networking that'd be required to handle such changes is even loaded, and it'd require some gymnastics to insert the sort of malware that'd be required to siphon data. There are thousands if not hundreds of thousands, of users of OpenCore who use it daily as a way to run a Hackintosh or extend old life to an old machine and use it with personal data. Thus far, there have been no reports of suspicious packages, network activity or computer behavior, or mass data theft from users of OpenCore. At some point with, say, a keylogger, said malware would need to send the data _somewhere_ to be useful. Plus, the project is hosted on GitHub, which has its own TOS. Malware cannot be hosted on GitHub as it violates it. They do have some tools that scan for common nefarious packages, so said malware authors would also have to be tricky enough to evade basic detection and the many, many eyes of people who are using OpenCore and viewing its source code. It's in the realm of reality it could be stealing your data, but I'd consider it very unlikely. If you don't feel comfortable using? Then the answer is simple, don't. However, I'd recommend reaching out to people who are even more versed than me as I do not daily drive OpenCore.
@@dmug before I do that, I want to ask first. is it illegal to install sonoma using ocpl on an old unsupported macbook. Is there a written policy from apple that prohibits using an unofficial os? are we breaking the rules?
@@KayuSungkai-gu7kqdoes it violate the EULA? Probably. Is it legally enforceable? Hasn’t been tested in the court of law and will depend on regional jurisdiction. In the USA since there’s no profit motive, much like hackintoshes, the economics of trying to go legal on OpenCore doesn’t math in their favor. It’s in legal limbo almost certainly and no real threat from Apple.
Opencore is for running macOS on non supported hardware. OpenCore legacy patcher is only for old Macs. It is a subset of OpenCore but not for hackintoshes.
I installed OCLP 6.1 on my 2012 Macpro a few days ago. I had a few issues but managed it after a couple of tries. I remember years ago hacking wifi firmware to get my wireless card to work on Linux. Compared to that, it was easy. It's so cool to be running Monterrey on old hardware! Thanks so much for these videos.
Jessie's flying has a really good recap of 0.6.2. I just read in Discord someone who got their bluetooth working following his guide. th-cam.com/video/1ndbt6evw54/w-d-xo.html
I thought I had to have a Metal supported gpu to do all this and run the new os. But it’s running Big Sur 11.7.6 on my cMP 5,1 perfectly fine with the Radeon 5770
This is good stuff. Thank you for your time. Macgeek is a niche that is difficult to cater to and the macgeek audience on this platform is a difficult crowd. Thanks for taking the time. I am very appreciative of it.
There’s a lot of surface level apple creators, doing the usual benchmarks and what not. I don’t think that’s bad as I watch those videos too (can’t say I like the rumor ones) but as technical user I’m making the sort of stuff I’d want to see. Most of the real hardcore Mac nerds are all about retro stuff. I enjoy that content but it’s surprising how I don’t see as much for more modern macs.
I just upgraded to the latest Monterey and I had to update the bootloader this time too . Really works great on my MacPro 5.1. Not yet ready for the latest OS though.
Good video! I OpedCore'd my 2012 MacPro for years, until MacOS Big Sur ... had to move on to some newer hardware then. Understanding OC is also super-important for Hackintosh builders
Hi @dmug I have a 2006mac pro 1,1. Laying in my trunk (like kidnaped). In your opinion shall I give it away or try to use Open core to update it??. I can't find my machine in the "admissible list" for open core...
@@dmug Got It. With windows installed. Can I use an Nvidia quadro P2000 or Nvidia GTX 660? I have these two GPU idles at home, plus the kidnapped Mac Pro 1,1...
Another really useful explanation - filling some of the gaps for me. I also wanted to say thanks for that Sonoma wallpaper app that I use, it allowed me to compile a folder on my desktop (Monterey & now Ventura) so that I can listen to music while one of those wallpapers does it's thing! Not quite like watching 'paint dry' just better. I did have one question though - My MP 5,1 (upgraded 4,1) has Ventura 13.6.7 and there is an update of Safari waiting which I believe will have a security update inside. Can I just update or will this involve something else also?
Warning: OCLP has caused my 2014 iMac updating to Sonoma to slow to virtually unusable or repeatedly freeze or crash. Currently trying a complete factory reset as the only way to fix. Tried everything else.
why not use a virtualization layer instead? if you have seen the movie tron from the 80s it is like having a separate room away from the cpu core where it is monitored for suspicious activity . this kind of vetting is done in real life in some businesses and especially in the military and bio labs where you may have different level of access. a new hire would be given the lowest trust level where they may not be able to handle money and the cash register may be set up to not allow a refund to be processed without a manager key. since opencore is tantamount to game genie it probably is dmca safe.
OCLP has helped make my VERY upgraded Mac Pro 3,1 and my 2013 Retina Macbook Pro run better with unsupported OS versions than with the latest supported versions
Nope. This comes up now and again in my comments. Unfortunately, it's easier to port drivers from older OSes to modern ones than vice versa and the demand isn't there from the community. Most people who need to run old OSes will either buy an old machine for that use case, or use a virtual machine or more likely, figure out a work around or abandon said software. Mac Mini 2009s are practically free. Those will run OS X 10.8 and do it reasonably well. You could screen share into said computer.
@@dmug I am using a MacMini 2010 with OS X 10.8 now, but it only has 10 GB Ram, and my MacPro has 64GB, I need the Ram for my CAD program ( costs over $1000 to upgrade)
@@MDI-RestorationMinistry the classic Mac Pros would be your best option. The Mac Pro 5,1 are a faster computer if you have the dual CPU models outfitted with the upper end 6-Core CPUs. OS X 10.8 though caps out at 96 GB of RAM and lacks the memory management of newer OSes, whereas later versions of Mac OS let the cMPs use 128 GB and with OpenCore, 192 GB. Have you ever looked at previous version licenses for said software? I'm not a CAD person but with often professional audio software you can transfer licenses. That might be cheaper than picking up a separate computer.
Thank you for your wonderful explanation! You make it very easy to install! Just a question, how can I change the read and write authorizations on the disk? I tried entering the command "sudo chmod -R 777 /Volumes/YourVolumeName" in the Terminal with my volume name, it asked for my password, seem to accept it as normal and I still can't write lets say a Folder at the disk level. I tried then to do it manually via the Information it says "That I do not have the permissions required"! I did these operation as "user" and as it didn't worked I repeated them after having activated it as "root". Any suggestions are more then welcome Thank again
I’m not sure what you’re trying to accomplish, but if you’re trying to modify the system or portions of the root library, Sudo won’t get you there as its not owned by the root. It’s read only partition in the APFS as it’s a container format. It’s presented transparently to the user.
Thank you so much for this video! Now I have a much better understanding of this whole, rather confusing, topic. I always thought that Open Core was some dubious borderline illegal software, but am now much more at ease with it.
Man I wish OC worked for me, and I wish I had the time to read and digest the full OC documentation so I could attempt the old school customized OC install. For me OCLP just never worked, and the so called community for me was next to non existent. The only support offered is a rather petulant and grumpy Baltic guy who simply doesn’t want to help anyone. I had to revert back to dodsude patching as that seems to work more reliably on my setup. I really wanted OCLP to work as it’s a brilliant bit f software and a really clever idea. Oh well
Hmm, might be worth revisiting with a later version. They keep adding in more and more support. 0.6.2 for example added support for DRM playback with 500 series and Vega GPUs. I had good luck with it using my 3,1 and MacBook Air.
My HD name is Gauvain and I would like to create 3 folder next to the System, Applications, Library and Users, in which I could read and write as I am pleased, exactly as I was doing with all the previous version of MacOS I used in the past. I am jumping from Mojave to Sonoma.
If you try and create a new folder doesn’t pop up with a permissions check? I’d suggest asking in a forum or Reddit as there’ll many more eyes and someone who may have experienced the same issue.
Will OpenCore Legacy Patcher be used to support Apples early M Series chips when they become redundant and longer supported by future versions of MacOS
We are probably about 3-5 years from this being a concern and that’ll largely depend on the technical feasibility of it and if the team members of OpenCore are interested in Apple Silicon at all. Most likely it wouldn’t be OpenCore as OpenCore is UEFI based and Apple Silicon uses custom firmware. Apple silicon has more in common with iOS devices when it comes to firmware than an x86 Mac.
hello, pls help, i have installed and everything works, BUT I dont have hardware acceleration..video rendering is very slow..is there a way to fix that?? PLS HELP!! I7 8700 WITH GT 640 + OCLP latest 067...osx monterey
How quick are they to releasing a version of legacy patcher for new OS updates like Sonoma? My 2017 iMac was sadly chopped off and I don’t want Ventura to be the last version it runs. Does it usually take them weeks or months after the official major release?
Tbh. Don't upgrade the MacOS until no security update is supported. Features always come with bugs. I always keep my MacOS at the last subversion of the previous version so it has the smallest amount of bugs.
Great Explanation! I really haven't figured this out successfully, I kinda caved into buying a real Mac with the M1 Pretty sweet setup, still trying to figure out how to build a Hackintosh into my AMD TrueNAS Scale system im making to mess with. Back in the early 2k's there was a ALOSHI DVD Image I belie it was called, I was able to get that version of OSX Leopard I believe it was, working on a PIII Dell tower & got it running ProTools. but that was 20 years ago lol
Hackintoshes are such a headache. I used a flashed mobo briefly with a PC and returned everything since it was a house of cards. I don't know if there's really any idea Hackintosh build, hence why people still hoard the old classic Mac Pros as for many it's worth dealing with really old hardware vs unsupported hardware. These days I'm on a Mac Pro 2019 and M1 Max myself but I mess with the OpenCore.
This is so helpful! I'm trying to get bit more use out of my 2012 macbook and just ordered memory and an ssd to upgrade it myself. I'll check out your other videos to understand opencore more - but it looks like i could use opencore on my 2012 macbook to avoid updating the os but use opencore to access a newer os? Or is it the other way round, I should continue updating my macbook's os and use opencore to access an older os which i know the macbook is compatible with?
I have 2 2011 5,1 Mac Pros and want to upgrade them both. I am curious, can I install OCLP on an external SSD drive just to test it out and then clone it to the internal one if I have issues? Also, does keeping the old bluetooth cards allow for hand off between devices or does it require the card to be upgraded?
Thank you for the great overview! Just found out about Open Core Legacy patcher today from a Mr. Macintosh video. For sure I will update my trusty first ever MacBook Pro (Late 2013). 👍
In this video, I do not walk through how to install OpenCore. OCLP 5 minute tutorial: th-cam.com/video/i4tsltwR2g8/w-d-xo.html Also check out Jessie's Flying breakdown on OpenCore 0.6.2 and macOS 13.3 th-cam.com/video/1ndbt6evw54/w-d-xo.html
hi, i understand oclp 0.6.2 was just released. 0.6.1 and previous versions could not identify windows & Linux partitions at startup disk, because of which i had to go back to catalina-dosdude1.... OCLP efi bootloader fails to show partitions.. why?...Is this intentional Can oclp 0.6.2 identify partitions... pls advise...thanks
I haven't had enough time to try out multi-OS boot as I've only used OpenCore on my MacBook Air 2015 which I use as a legacy machine to boot mojave for old hardware and my Mac Pro 3,1. I'd try the OpenCore groups, there's MacRumors, Reddit, Discord and Facebook ones.
Hello. Is the OCLP installation and using a fresh MacOS safe for users ? Can i log in to my Icloud and sleep safe ? What about any possible backdoors ? Thanks
Not sure what you mean by safe for users. iCloud features should work as should sleep but check your particular model compatibility on the OpenCore Legacy Patcher site. Any answers I'd give would likely come from their official website. As far as backdoors, I'd suggest asking at the OpenCore community but it is an opensource project with many developers contributing, meaning any malicious code would be bound to be spotted by other developers and which one of larger appeals of Opensource projects, anyone can examine said code.
I work mostly with audio. I wish that something like Opencore existed for patching FireWire support into modern macos. I have 16 wonderful sounding preamps that will only work with Mojave or earlier. How would I go about developing an audio driver that would allow me to use my audio interfaces with big sur? Has anybody done this? Am I shit out of luck?
I'd try a community board like MacRumors or one of the FaceBook Groups. As far as I know Firewire was working in Big Sur when I tried the one and only firewire HDD I had and I'm sure it works in macOS 12 Monterey. If it's a firewire interface that's HID compliant (I think those old MOTU 828s are) then you should be in luck.
Much appreciated, been saving beats for the great beat famine prior to making TH-cam vids so some are old (Like this one from 2014) and some are new (anything where I'm using the Ableton Push 2)
I had no problem running MacOS Monterey til the latest Update on Virtualbox with a AMD Ryzen CPU and without soecific bootloader like Charmeleon or Clover, but Ventura is a different beast. Install performs normal but on first Boot after install it crahes and goes in a Panic loop. However. I applied OpenCore legacy Patcher on a running Monterey and upgraded it with Ventura but it still runs into Crash panic loop at boot. Maybe its bc i cannot reach the Fuction keys required to let OpenCore Bootpicker apear on start? Can i use Legacypatcher or a trick to let Legacypatcher as the default boot option instead having to press keys combination during boot to make boot picker show up?
PS to make it clear, this is running MacOS in a Virtual Machine, not on real Apple Hardware. So i have no Apple Keyboard, no Apple control Key etc. I emulate all MacOS versions since 10.0 PPC on VMs like Virtualbox, VMWare and QEMU (which can emulate PPC and PPC64). But Ventura is the first big Shoestopper for me thats why i went to OpenCore now to solve the Install and Boot problems of Ventura i have.
You were running MacOS in virtual on a Ryzen? I tried to do that with VMWare maybe 18 months ago, but could never get it to work. I built that Ryzen-based PC specifically for that purpose because I live in fear that my 2010 Mac Pro is eventually going to die on me. Just about to start building an Intel-based system so I can try again, so the Ryzen system is going up for sale.
I have a problem.. I have a PC hp 600g1 Hackintosh Ventura 13.5 is installed and installed opencore lagacy patcher0.6.8 But after patcher the graphics card hd4600, it happens that some applications do not work, either they open and close, or they do not open What is the problem and how to solve it Why does Opencore Legacy stop running s
@@dmug The system was completely erased and reinstalled by flash, and after installing it and before defining the graphics card, I tried the programs that did not work... still did not work... I liked the system, but I got tired of the programs that did not work.
Hey, thanks for this amazing job! I was just wondering if it's possible to dualboot macOS Ventura along with either Win10 or Win11 on my 2014 13-inch MacPro.
@@abouziad917 probably, I don’t know off the top of my head. I’d search for me for dual boot OpenCore and for 2013 or 2014 or 2015 MacBook Pro as they are similar
Very helpful! THank you. I don't know if you can help me with this, but before installing Open Core Legacy Patcher and OS Ventura a few days ago, my imac was running OS High Sierra (hadn't been able to get above that update) and on an alternate boot, Linux had been installed. I think I f....d up and now I can only find a boot for Ventura which says EPI in it. Can I pull Linux and the old mac restore booters back out of the OCLPboot directly into Ventura, or has all the old stuff been overwritten by OCLPboot and OS Ventura? I am not much of a techie, but try. Thanks if you can refer me to any help to weed my other booters out of the OCLPboot directly into OS Ventura! AJ
So.... your linux install was probably for BIOS and not EFI. What this means is if you hold down the Option key you should see it as a bootable volume but you probably won't see it with OpenCore's boot loader. Basically, it should still be a boot option. I'd check in with the opencore groups on the internet (reddit, facebook, discord, macrumors forums etc)
@@dmug I had a tech group partition my drive and put in Linux for me. Before I installed Open Core, I had 3 boot options, holding down the option key on Start up: Mac HD, Mac Restore and EFI. If I just turned on my Mac I got straight into Linux. Now I get straight into OS Ventura on turning it on. With option key I get the Open Core booter or Mac HD, which if I choose Mac HD, I get a no go sign. So I think when I installed the Open Core booter onto my iMac, I did it wrong and possible overwrote the split drives. But I can still see stuff in the drives and it is still split, I just don't know how to extract and re-partition to pull out what may be the linux. Will likely go back to the tech group to see if they can restore the linux and other booters so I have them as choices that work, when using option key on start up. Hope that makes sense. As I said, I barely know wtf I am talking about. But thank you for taking time to answer before!
@@dmug linux tries to boot when I don't use oclp booter but it comes up as rescue prompt and needs help. I will have to find out how to restore it as I had made the mistake of downloading the oclp onto the efi with original attempts to upgrade my mac partition. This confused the linux programing somehow and I will either have to reinstall linux or try and follow some recipe for rescue that comes after unknown file error message when I try to boot without oclp. Will be keeping the olcp booter on a stick for now, that I finally got the mac side upgraded to OS 13.5
I’d check in with one of the OpenCore groups: they exist on Reddit, Facebook, discord and macrumors. Be sure to include your hardware and OCLP versions, and details about the issue. You may need to zap the NVRAM and then reset the default boot to the OpenCore bootable volume, by using the default boot picker using command option.
Hey, very good video and very informative so far. But I have one quick question! I have a mid-2015 Macbook Pro that has an aftermarket SSD, which Apple prevented from installing any subsequent OS. If I download and install OpenCore Legacy Patcher, will it allow the updates to go through on this aftermarket drive? I can't seem to find any documentation on this on the OpenCore installation docs, so I figured I'd ask before trying. Thanks :)!
Perhaps Apple should introduce paid support for old Macs, I wouldn't mind paying a small fee for official support after a number of years, I'm glad we have OpenCore to fallback on.
It’s a bit naive to think like that. What Apple wants is to ask you to paid full price for a replacement machine with only little additional/improved features or a little faster machine. Apple is very mind that you just pay so little but thinking of getting so much support.
OK Apple does a lot of sketchy stuff but making you pay for your already expensive Mac to run slower just ain’t right
They should just allow it to update with a warning that it might be slower.
I get where you're coming from but overall this would only encourage more predatory nonsense from Apple though.
Thanks for making stuff clear :)
Thanks for watching. Glad people are liking this video as I did too much reading to explain it.
@@dmug haha it was amazing though :3
Brother! This video really helped me fill in the gaps and understand OpenCore better. Thank you 🙏 Liked & Subbed! 💯
Can you make a tutorial on how you would get macOS Sonoma 14 on to a PC stable with everything working if you have time? Not only will that video help a lot of people but I’m sure it will grow your channel significantly because that is a VERY popular topic right now with the rising prices of Apple Computers. 💯
I won’t say I won’t but it’s unlikely as I don’t own any PCs
So many people talk about installing OpenCore Patcher to “use” the latest macOS, but none of them demonstrates how to recover your mac from a backup, such as from a Time Machine backup. Do you think the Internet Recovery / Restore from Time Machine backup works the same way as a currently supporting Mac?
Your videos are awesome.
A clarification please. Is open core restricted to the EFI partition, that is, it's on a different partition than Mac OS itself?
Yep, I can’t recall off the top of my head if disk utility shows a full APFS container but if you view it from the terminal, you can see the efi partition in the container. macOS doesn’t really use it other than to stage firmware updates as I understand it.
Can’t get it to work get I go through install then Mac reboots the. Takes me back to boot option every time
Greetings !
I have a question I recently installed Ventura 13.3.1 on a 2010 macbook with open core . Question , Can I use migration assistant to move data from a 2015 macbook pro running montery to the 2010 now ? I tried it and it gave me some trouble ....
Thanks ......
Migration assist should work just fine, I used it with OpenCore on MacBook Air 2015, granted it was not much data.
@@dmug Thanks , I'll give it another try .... :D
Just tried migration assistant and the 2010 mac got stuck at Migration Assistant 'setting up' and froze . I had to force shut down to get out of it ..... Just sayin .... Any thoughts ? ...... :D
Can I trust 0CLP with personal data on my machine? I know I have to make the decision myself and measure the risk blah blah blah, but do any of you have personal private information on an 0CLP computer? I mean what benefit do the OCLP guys get for doing this free work? Sure it’s open source but is it the actual code or is it just a copy of all the code and it’s what they say is all the code when it could be missing parts? Could these guys just look at anybody’s computer and what’s in it? I would love to Upgrade my computer but I don’t see the point of doing it if I can’t even use it for personal use. Do you or any of you out there? Have your personal information on these machines and if so why do you trust it? I would really like to know because I would really like to feel good about running Ventura on my old MacBook Pro and use Universal Control with my iPad. Thx
It’s an open source project so there’s a lot of eyes on it. there’s nothing inherently preventing privacy violation in OpenCore via kext injection.
Yes, someone could develop malware and make it as part of a OpenCore configuration but being open source, this almost certainly would not make it into any sort of distribution as the project maintainers would not accept said code. Someone could alter it or include their malicious but then it wouldn't be from the official repo.
I would recommend checking out OpenCore groups for a better break down. If you're fearful of OpenSource, a lot of core technologies that power macOS are opensource, down to the terminal with ZSH or it's networking code like SMB or Apache. Open source has it's pros and cons, but generally for security is viewed as positive.
@@dmug thanks for the reply. I wouldn’t ask you for advice on personal security, only on how you use this technology. So do you trust it with your personal data like using banking apps and passwords, iCloud, etc? Do you know of others using and trusting it in that manner too? I just don’t see the point in doing it, if I can’t use it as a personal computer. I mean what are all these people using it for?
@@mofosoto I'd highly recommend taking your security concerns to an OpenCore group, they exist on Reddit, Facebook, MacRumors, etc. There's no more security risk here than running, say, a Hackintosh. Changes are being injected into macOS via boot loader, and they aren't nefarious. Using OpenCore doesn't lower macOS's security either as you don't have to disable core technologies like SIP. The developers of OpenCore do not gain access to your passwords or encryption keys. In fact, the changes are injected long before most of the networking that'd be required to handle such changes is even loaded, and it'd require some gymnastics to insert the sort of malware that'd be required to siphon data.
There are thousands if not hundreds of thousands, of users of OpenCore who use it daily as a way to run a Hackintosh or extend old life to an old machine and use it with personal data. Thus far, there have been no reports of suspicious packages, network activity or computer behavior, or mass data theft from users of OpenCore. At some point with, say, a keylogger, said malware would need to send the data _somewhere_ to be useful. Plus, the project is hosted on GitHub, which has its own TOS. Malware cannot be hosted on GitHub as it violates it. They do have some tools that scan for common nefarious packages, so said malware authors would also have to be tricky enough to evade basic detection and the many, many eyes of people who are using OpenCore and viewing its source code.
It's in the realm of reality it could be stealing your data, but I'd consider it very unlikely. If you don't feel comfortable using? Then the answer is simple, don't. However, I'd recommend reaching out to people who are even more versed than me as I do not daily drive OpenCore.
@@dmug before I do that, I want to ask first. is it illegal to install sonoma using ocpl on an old unsupported macbook. Is there a written policy from apple that prohibits using an unofficial os? are we breaking the rules?
@@KayuSungkai-gu7kqdoes it violate the EULA? Probably. Is it legally enforceable? Hasn’t been tested in the court of law and will depend on regional jurisdiction. In the USA since there’s no profit motive, much like hackintoshes, the economics of trying to go legal on OpenCore doesn’t math in their favor. It’s in legal limbo almost certainly and no real threat from Apple.
in other words....because always confused me....ive got a hackintosh...can i use completely oclp...yes or not?thanks
Opencore is for running macOS on non supported hardware.
OpenCore legacy patcher is only for old Macs. It is a subset of OpenCore but not for hackintoshes.
the developers of open core are legends
Great explanation, I didn't really know how it worked, I just knew it worked. very insightful!
I installed OCLP 6.1 on my 2012 Macpro a few days ago. I had a few issues but managed it after a couple of tries. I remember years ago hacking wifi firmware to get my wireless card to work on Linux. Compared to that, it was easy. It's so cool to be running Monterrey on old hardware! Thanks so much for these videos.
Jessie's flying has a really good recap of 0.6.2. I just read in Discord someone who got their bluetooth working following his guide.
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I have finally At long last flashed my Bootrom to 144.0.0.0 on my Mac Pro 5.1(2012)!. 😃
Open Core made me convert my aging Mac Mini to Linux.🥺
I've been far behind on what's been going on. Thanks for the update. And yes, the rapid deprecation of features is depreciating (not appreciated) :>
Oh jeeze, I said depreciated instead of deprecated didn't I?
@@dmug Oh well, you can probably annotate. I love your B-roll selections. Some of them are very funny.
@@MacinMindSoftware Trying to make animations for things like Boot loaders and Hackintoshes isn't my findest work
@@dmug Just to be sure, I'm not criticizing. But the wide range of PCs @7:44 is hilarious to me.
I thought I had to have a Metal supported gpu to do all this and run the new os. But it’s running Big Sur 11.7.6 on my cMP 5,1 perfectly fine with the Radeon 5770
Looks like the support was added for Big Sur (unclear when) it's a bit of a moving target as the devs keep scoring so many Ws.
This is good stuff. Thank you for your time. Macgeek is a niche that is difficult to cater to and the macgeek audience on this platform is a difficult crowd. Thanks for taking the time. I am very appreciative of it.
There’s a lot of surface level apple creators, doing the usual benchmarks and what not. I don’t think that’s bad as I watch those videos too (can’t say I like the rumor ones) but as technical user I’m making the sort of stuff I’d want to see. Most of the real hardcore Mac nerds are all about retro stuff. I enjoy that content but it’s surprising how I don’t see as much for more modern macs.
I just upgraded to the latest Monterey and I had to update the bootloader this time too . Really works great on my MacPro 5.1. Not yet ready for the latest OS though.
Yeah, good best to wait on Ventura. Not a strong reason to update.
Good video! I OpedCore'd my 2012 MacPro for years, until MacOS Big Sur ... had to move on to some newer hardware then. Understanding OC is also super-important for Hackintosh builders
Hi @dmug I have a 2006mac pro 1,1. Laying in my trunk (like kidnaped). In your opinion shall I give it away or try to use Open core to update it??. I can't find my machine in the "admissible list" for open core...
It has a 32-Bit EFI so OpenCore isn't compatible. It can run WIndows 10 easily and probably Windows 11 but not modern macOS.
@@dmug Got It. With windows installed. Can I use an Nvidia quadro P2000 or Nvidia GTX 660? I have these two GPU idles at home, plus the kidnapped Mac Pro 1,1...
Another really useful explanation - filling some of the gaps for me. I also wanted to say thanks for that Sonoma wallpaper app that I use, it allowed me to compile a folder on my desktop (Monterey & now Ventura) so that I can listen to music while one of those wallpapers does it's thing! Not quite like watching 'paint dry' just better. I did have one question though - My MP 5,1 (upgraded 4,1) has Ventura 13.6.7 and there is an update of Safari waiting which I believe will have a security update inside. Can I just update or will this involve something else also?
in short it will help me use BlueBubbles on a Mac Mini from 2014. Ancient Hardware and breaking in for less than 200 bucks.
Warning: OCLP has caused my 2014 iMac updating to Sonoma to slow to virtually unusable or repeatedly freeze or crash. Currently trying a complete factory reset as the only way to fix. Tried everything else.
I have finally At long last flashed my Bootrom to 144.0.0.0 on my Mac Pro 5.1 (2012)!!. 😃
why not use a virtualization layer instead?
if you have seen the movie tron from the 80s it is like having a separate room away from the cpu core where it is monitored for suspicious activity .
this kind of vetting is done in real life in some businesses and especially in the military and bio labs where you may have different level of access.
a new hire would be given the lowest trust level where they may not be able to handle money and the cash register may be set up to not allow a refund to be processed without a manager key.
since opencore is tantamount to game genie it probably is dmca safe.
I have one question. i use OC big sur... and i would like to go forder... can i mix OC with OCLP or is this a different installation... Tnx !
Thanks a perfect summary and explanation
OCLP has helped make my VERY upgraded Mac Pro 3,1 and my 2013 Retina Macbook Pro run better with unsupported OS versions than with the latest supported versions
The Mac Pro 3,1 is such a good computer, I’d argue more important than the 5,1. I used it from 2008 to 2018
I have a 2013 MacPro that I need to install 10.8.7. I supports only 10.9.1 and up... can open core wok with this?
Nope. This comes up now and again in my comments. Unfortunately, it's easier to port drivers from older OSes to modern ones than vice versa and the demand isn't there from the community. Most people who need to run old OSes will either buy an old machine for that use case, or use a virtual machine or more likely, figure out a work around or abandon said software.
Mac Mini 2009s are practically free. Those will run OS X 10.8 and do it reasonably well. You could screen share into said computer.
@@dmug I am using a MacMini 2010 with OS X 10.8 now, but it only has 10 GB Ram, and my MacPro has 64GB, I need the Ram for my CAD program ( costs over $1000 to upgrade)
@@MDI-RestorationMinistry the classic Mac Pros would be your best option.
The Mac Pro 5,1 are a faster computer if you have the dual CPU models outfitted with the upper end 6-Core CPUs. OS X 10.8 though caps out at 96 GB of RAM and lacks the memory management of newer OSes, whereas later versions of Mac OS let the cMPs use 128 GB and with OpenCore, 192 GB.
Have you ever looked at previous version licenses for said software? I'm not a CAD person but with often professional audio software you can transfer licenses. That might be cheaper than picking up a separate computer.
@@dmug Already have and use MacMini 2009 but it only has 10GB Ram...
@@dmug I guess I will have to install via BootCamp windows (Yuck) as it will run even on Windows 10!
Thank you for your wonderful explanation! You make it very easy to install!
Just a question, how can I change the read and write authorizations on the disk?
I tried entering the command "sudo chmod -R 777 /Volumes/YourVolumeName" in the Terminal with my volume name, it asked for my password, seem to accept it as normal and I still can't write lets say a Folder at the disk level. I tried then to do it manually via the Information it says "That I do not have the permissions required"!
I did these operation as "user" and as it didn't worked I repeated them after having activated it as "root".
Any suggestions are more then welcome
Thank again
I’m not sure what you’re trying to accomplish, but if you’re trying to modify the system or portions of the root library, Sudo won’t get you there as its not owned by the root. It’s read only partition in the APFS as it’s a container format. It’s presented transparently to the user.
Thank you so much for this video! Now I have a much better understanding of this whole, rather confusing, topic. I always thought that Open Core was some dubious borderline illegal software, but am now much more at ease with it.
"Hardware components" is redundant.
Man I wish OC worked for me, and I wish I had the time to read and digest the full OC documentation so I could attempt the old school customized OC install. For me OCLP just never worked, and the so called community for me was next to non existent. The only support offered is a rather petulant and grumpy Baltic guy who simply doesn’t want to help anyone. I had to revert back to dodsude patching as that seems to work more reliably on my setup. I really wanted OCLP to work as it’s a brilliant bit f software and a really clever idea. Oh well
Hmm, might be worth revisiting with a later version. They keep adding in more and more support. 0.6.2 for example added support for DRM playback with 500 series and Vega GPUs.
I had good luck with it using my 3,1 and MacBook Air.
My HD name is Gauvain and I would like to create 3 folder next to the System, Applications, Library and Users, in which I could read and write as I am pleased, exactly as I was doing with all the previous version of MacOS I used in the past.
I am jumping from Mojave to Sonoma.
If you try and create a new folder doesn’t pop up with a permissions check? I’d suggest asking in a forum or Reddit as there’ll many more eyes and someone who may have experienced the same issue.
Thank you for your reply and kindness, I will follow your advise
Will OpenCore Legacy Patcher be used to support Apples early M Series chips when they become redundant and longer supported by future versions of MacOS
We are probably about 3-5 years from this being a concern and that’ll largely depend on the technical feasibility of it and if the team members of OpenCore are interested in Apple Silicon at all. Most likely it wouldn’t be OpenCore as OpenCore is UEFI based and Apple Silicon uses custom firmware. Apple silicon has more in common with iOS devices when it comes to firmware than an x86 Mac.
Is Open Core save as far as data stored on the computer?
hello, pls help, i have installed and everything works, BUT I dont have hardware acceleration..video rendering is very slow..is there a way to fix that?? PLS HELP!! I7 8700 WITH GT 640 + OCLP latest 067...osx monterey
How quick are they to releasing a version of legacy patcher for new OS updates like Sonoma? My 2017 iMac was sadly chopped off and I don’t want Ventura to be the last version it runs. Does it usually take them weeks or months after the official major release?
Tbh. Don't upgrade the MacOS until no security update is supported. Features always come with bugs. I always keep my MacOS at the last subversion of the previous version so it has the smallest amount of bugs.
This is fantastic! Thank you for taking the time to make this video!!
Great Explanation!
I really haven't figured this out successfully, I kinda caved into buying a real Mac with the M1
Pretty sweet setup, still trying to figure out how to build a Hackintosh into my AMD TrueNAS Scale system im making to mess with.
Back in the early 2k's there was a ALOSHI DVD Image I belie it was called, I was able to get that version of OSX Leopard I believe it was, working on a PIII Dell tower & got it running ProTools.
but that was 20 years ago lol
Hackintoshes are such a headache. I used a flashed mobo briefly with a PC and returned everything since it was a house of cards. I don't know if there's really any idea Hackintosh build, hence why people still hoard the old classic Mac Pros as for many it's worth dealing with really old hardware vs unsupported hardware. These days I'm on a Mac Pro 2019 and M1 Max myself but I mess with the OpenCore.
Thank you, for posterity, for doing this.
Thanks for watching
BRAVO! Very well explained!
Awesome. Sounds like I'm hitting the mark of being technical but not too-technical.
This is so helpful! I'm trying to get bit more use out of my 2012 macbook and just ordered memory and an ssd to upgrade it myself. I'll check out your other videos to understand opencore more - but it looks like i could use opencore on my 2012 macbook to avoid updating the os but use opencore to access a newer os? Or is it the other way round, I should continue updating my macbook's os and use opencore to access an older os which i know the macbook is compatible with?
I hope to update this iMac (2012) after I get a new M3 iMac/Mac mini this summer.
Could be that this goes through this process.
How secure is OCLP? Concerned about disabling SIP.
I have 2 2011 5,1 Mac Pros and want to upgrade them both. I am curious, can I install OCLP on an external SSD drive just to test it out and then clone it to the internal one if I have issues? Also, does keeping the old bluetooth cards allow for hand off between devices or does it require the card to be upgraded?
Great video
Thank you for the great overview!
Just found out about Open Core Legacy patcher today from a Mr. Macintosh video.
For sure I will update my trusty first ever MacBook Pro (Late 2013).
👍
In this video, I do not walk through how to install OpenCore.
OCLP 5 minute tutorial:
th-cam.com/video/i4tsltwR2g8/w-d-xo.html
Also check out Jessie's Flying breakdown on OpenCore 0.6.2 and macOS 13.3
th-cam.com/video/1ndbt6evw54/w-d-xo.html
hi, i understand oclp 0.6.2 was just released. 0.6.1 and previous versions could not identify windows & Linux partitions at startup disk, because of which i had to go back to catalina-dosdude1....
OCLP efi bootloader fails to show partitions.. why?...Is this intentional
Can oclp 0.6.2 identify partitions... pls advise...thanks
I haven't had enough time to try out multi-OS boot as I've only used OpenCore on my MacBook Air 2015 which I use as a legacy machine to boot mojave for old hardware and my Mac Pro 3,1. I'd try the OpenCore groups, there's MacRumors, Reddit, Discord and Facebook ones.
Hello. Is the OCLP installation and using a fresh MacOS safe for users ? Can i log in to my Icloud and sleep safe ? What about any possible backdoors ? Thanks
Not sure what you mean by safe for users. iCloud features should work as should sleep but check your particular model compatibility on the OpenCore Legacy Patcher site. Any answers I'd give would likely come from their official website.
As far as backdoors, I'd suggest asking at the OpenCore community but it is an opensource project with many developers contributing, meaning any malicious code would be bound to be spotted by other developers and which one of larger appeals of Opensource projects, anyone can examine said code.
I work mostly with audio. I wish that something like Opencore existed for patching FireWire support into modern macos. I have 16 wonderful sounding preamps that will only work with Mojave or earlier. How would I go about developing an audio driver that would allow me to use my audio interfaces with big sur? Has anybody done this? Am I shit out of luck?
I'd try a community board like MacRumors or one of the FaceBook Groups. As far as I know Firewire was working in Big Sur when I tried the one and only firewire HDD I had and I'm sure it works in macOS 12 Monterey. If it's a firewire interface that's HID compliant (I think those old MOTU 828s are) then you should be in luck.
i love how you make your own beats for the background, that's kinda sick
Much appreciated, been saving beats for the great beat famine prior to making TH-cam vids so some are old (Like this one from 2014) and some are new (anything where I'm using the Ableton Push 2)
Will future OS updates work, or will I need to repatch? Security updates etc...
For later OSes sometimes it takes updating OCLP.
What about Applr Keychain, is it safe and secure to use it with OpenCore ?
Thank you
Works fine on my MacBook Air 2015…. I’d imagine it’d work on all Macs but that’s the only computer I tested it with
Thanks Greg, you rocks !
LoackPickingLawyer?
Could you use opencore to use an egpu with an apple silicon mac? Thanks
Nope. That comes down to an architecture issue that exists with many ARM systems.
I had no problem running MacOS Monterey til the latest Update on Virtualbox with a AMD Ryzen CPU and without soecific bootloader like Charmeleon or Clover, but Ventura is a different beast. Install performs normal but on first Boot after install it crahes and goes in a Panic loop.
However. I applied OpenCore legacy Patcher on a running Monterey and upgraded it with Ventura but it still runs into Crash panic loop at boot. Maybe its bc i cannot reach the Fuction keys required to let OpenCore Bootpicker apear on start? Can i use Legacypatcher or a trick to let Legacypatcher as the default boot option instead having to press keys combination during boot to make boot picker show up?
PS to make it clear, this is running MacOS in a Virtual Machine, not on real Apple Hardware. So i have no Apple Keyboard, no Apple control Key etc. I emulate all MacOS versions since 10.0 PPC on VMs like Virtualbox, VMWare and QEMU (which can emulate PPC and PPC64). But Ventura is the first big Shoestopper for me thats why i went to OpenCore now to solve the Install and Boot problems of Ventura i have.
You were running MacOS in virtual on a Ryzen? I tried to do that with VMWare maybe 18 months ago, but could never get it to work. I built that Ryzen-based PC specifically for that purpose because I live in fear that my 2010 Mac Pro is eventually going to die on me. Just about to start building an Intel-based system so I can try again, so the Ryzen system is going up for sale.
Great video
Thanks!
Great video this really is remarkable software. My question is what is going to happen when apple stops making an OS for Intel hardware??
I think that’s everyone’s question
Then most of these will disappear it will likely happen in 4-5 years as the MacOS might not be distributed with code compiled for Intel Chip anymore.
I have a problem.. I have a PC hp 600g1 Hackintosh Ventura 13.5 is installed and installed opencore lagacy patcher0.6.8 But after patcher the graphics card hd4600, it happens that some applications do not work, either they open and close, or they do not open What is the problem and how to solve it Why does Opencore Legacy stop running s
OpenCore Legacy Patcher is designed only for supporting native Apple hardware. It really is not recommended for any hackintosh builds.
@@dmug Ok, what should I do to identify the unsupported graphics card and run the programs?
@@dmug The system was completely erased and reinstalled by flash, and after installing it and before defining the graphics card, I tried the programs that did not work... still did not work... I liked the system, but I got tired of the programs that did not work.
Hey, thanks for this amazing job! I was just wondering if it's possible to dualboot macOS Ventura along with either Win10 or Win11 on my 2014 13-inch MacPro.
Yes but you’ll want to read before going this route
@@dmug is there any particular tutorial for that? thanks
@@abouziad917 probably, I don’t know off the top of my head. I’d search for me for dual boot OpenCore and for 2013 or 2014 or 2015 MacBook Pro as they are similar
Very helpful! THank you. I don't know if you can help me with this, but before installing Open Core Legacy Patcher and OS Ventura a few days ago, my imac was running OS High Sierra (hadn't been able to get above that update) and on an alternate boot, Linux had been installed. I think I f....d up and now I can only find a boot for Ventura which says EPI in it. Can I pull Linux and the old mac restore booters back out of the OCLPboot directly into Ventura, or has all the old stuff been overwritten by OCLPboot and OS Ventura? I am not much of a techie, but try. Thanks if you can refer me to any help to weed my other booters out of the OCLPboot directly into OS Ventura! AJ
So.... your linux install was probably for BIOS and not EFI. What this means is if you hold down the Option key you should see it as a bootable volume but you probably won't see it with OpenCore's boot loader. Basically, it should still be a boot option. I'd check in with the opencore groups on the internet (reddit, facebook, discord, macrumors forums etc)
@@dmug I had a tech group partition my drive and put in Linux for me. Before I installed Open Core, I had 3 boot options, holding down the option key on Start up: Mac HD, Mac Restore and EFI. If I just turned on my Mac I got straight into Linux. Now I get straight into OS Ventura on turning it on. With option key I get the Open Core booter or Mac HD, which if I choose Mac HD, I get a no go sign. So I think when I installed the Open Core booter onto my iMac, I did it wrong and possible overwrote the split drives. But I can still see stuff in the drives and it is still split, I just don't know how to extract and re-partition to pull out what may be the linux. Will likely go back to the tech group to see if they can restore the linux and other booters so I have them as choices that work, when using option key on start up. Hope that makes sense. As I said, I barely know wtf I am talking about. But thank you for taking time to answer before!
@@dmug linux tries to boot when I don't use oclp booter but it comes up as rescue prompt and needs help. I will have to find out how to restore it as I had made the mistake of downloading the oclp onto the efi with original attempts to upgrade my mac partition. This confused the linux programing somehow and I will either have to reinstall linux or try and follow some recipe for rescue that comes after unknown file error message when I try to boot without oclp. Will be keeping the olcp booter on a stick for now, that I finally got the mac side upgraded to OS 13.5
Great video! Not too technical and easy to understand.
Glad to hear it, I wanted this to be technical but not inaccessible as inevitably boot sequences and OS security aren't easily explained.
Infinite loop after finish iinstall...
I’d check in with one of the OpenCore groups: they exist on Reddit, Facebook, discord and macrumors.
Be sure to include your hardware and OCLP versions, and details about the issue. You may need to zap the NVRAM and then reset the default boot to the OpenCore bootable volume, by using the default boot picker using command option.
for the os update model linux is way better and it is opensource
As they say, Linux is only free if you consider your time worthless ;) This is coming from someone who's spent a decent amount of time with Linux.
@@dmug not with all distros look at linux mint or elementary os
Hey, very good video and very informative so far. But I have one quick question! I have a mid-2015 Macbook Pro that has an aftermarket SSD, which Apple prevented from installing any subsequent OS. If I download and install OpenCore Legacy Patcher, will it allow the updates to go through on this aftermarket drive? I can't seem to find any documentation on this on the OpenCore installation docs, so I figured I'd ask before trying. Thanks :)!
Johnny come lately but yes my 2012 Monterey updated to Ventura
@@linuxxxunil Right on, good to hear! I was able to get it working on mine too with zero issues...super easy to install too!