Great video. This has to be the most jam-packed winter gear guide there is that includes user tips and specs-and it still comes in around 10 minutes. I'm planning some winter trips this year and you've shown me a few items to replace to upgrade my 1980s kit. This should be a pleasant and toasty winter activity here in the Oregon mountains. Thanks for everything!
All your videos have only been a 9/10. This one however, is a 10/10 because it has a few seconds of a zoomed in shot of poop. Absolutely quality content as always!
I hope gear companies value your videos as much as they should. For some reason I think you're the TH-camr that has had most influence on gear purchases I make. Right of the top of my head I know I've purchased the Vargo DigDig trowel, the Tortoise Gear Fire Rods for my Victorinox knife, and the Hoka Speedgoats off of your recommendations (and other research I did, of course). Super happy with all those items out on trail, thank you!
We have this tent, it has been great. We use the half insert with it. We like the bath tub. A few years ago we started using pulks instead of backpacks, as older people they are easier and allow us some extra comfort items. Love you videos !
Hey I just saw that you showed the fire maple blade 2 earlier and now went to the much heavier whisperlite stove. What was the reason to go to thus heavier stove?
Gotta love the HMG Ultamid but it's super expensive and if, for some reason, you get very large hail above tree line, it's been known to punch right through the dcf. That would be heartbreaking in more ways than one. Andrew Skurka posted some video from this past summer where the dcf shelters were shredded up in Alaska during one of his group trips. I go very light for three seasons, but I think having a solid interior for alpine storms and winds makes alot of sense in the mountains. Everything else looks super dialed in. I hope I never have to experience those types of sub zero temps though. I certainly do admire your gear and experience! Great video.
outside the sleeping bag, been using SOL Escape Bivvy to cover it... for additional protection from element, from damage, trap and reflect additional heat...
Great Help! Justin i had been using the Nalgene Flexible bottle for a pee bottle big and hard to pack down, so i will try the Hydrapak Stash thanks again
Love the look of that sleeping bag! Hope I’m never crazy enough to need it 😂. Great gear list. Much different than 3 season gear. Looks fun until you say things like “minus 30,” then I’m grabbing my slippers and blanket waiting for spring. ❤
Yeah, camped in the 30’s at night the other week. I’m done until spring. 😂. Not buying more gear for 2-3 months or the year over the holidays. My 3-season setup works for 30F-ish at night with a few more layers. Any coldler than that, I don’t enjoy biking or hiking, which is why I camp.
One thing I do not understand: when hiking in the winter, one can take a great food and reheat it, as there is no worries of it spoiling. So I would prefer to prepare a thick soup, freeze it at home, and ensure it stays frozen. Then add some water and boil it. This way I can eat clean food.
another great video. Please tell me about the reflective mat. I found one on Amazon but it is super thin and has no foam in it.. I doubt that it has any R-value. Which brand is the one that you are using?
Very nice review! I love my Ultamid 4. Use it every winter on Mount Rainier for camping. Incredibly roomy and comfortable, even in high winds and heavy snow. Have also slept very comfortably with four adults in it while hiking Yosemite in the summer. It's a true one. Quiver tent. I'm just on the fence about buying an insert since I really like the floorless system
Hey Justin, currently planning a backcountry trip to Banff/Jasper/Yoho/Assiniboine for August '23, and hoping to stock up my gear with the deals this Black Friday. I'm very accustomed to UL backpacking down in the States with minimum temps ~5-10C in the mountains. How cold should I expect in the Canadian Rockies? And which clothing might you recommend beyond a base layer, fleece, frog togg jacket, and beanie? Much thanks, and love the vids!
Do you ever put hot water in your HDPE Nalgene for a footbox warmer? I have been testing it out the past few nights, with the exact same green bottle, and have been utterly impressed!
@@JustinOutdoors Hi Justin Looking forward to that. This is what wikipedia says about winther storms: Snow accumulation is 15 cm or more in 12 hours, or 8 in (20 cm) or more in 24 hours. Wind chill index is less than −37 °C for more than 3 hours and sustained wind speed of at least 4.5 m/s BR Jens
Hi, thanks so much for your video. It helps me a lot to understand what is necessary to bring to your winter trips. Still I got a question: Im planning a long 1 month winter trip through the alps next year (from southern Germany to Slovenia). Do you think this gear and especially the tent will be enough to keep you dry and safe throughout so many days? thanks for a short response :))
I use it more when trying to save weight. It's not quite as efficient or easy to use as the Whisperlite (also can't use white gas during extreme cold).
Pads aside, how did you establish the -58F sleeping system with the bag and the blanket? BTW, even most winter hikers are unaware of at least one subject you talked about, the consequences of moisture build-up in the sleeping system.
Watching one of your past videos, the low temperature you recorded was an impressive -58F with this system, and you stayed comfortable. That pretty much is the answer to my question.
Hi, thanks for another great video. I'm just curious how you find places to camp in the winter. Are the Rockies a free for all? I live in Manitoba and all the parks are pretty much closed down by late fall. There are places to go, but I've been there :) Can you just head into a park and camp wherever, so long as you leave no trace?
I took my Sea to summit ether light Msr hubba hubba nx Sea to summit ascent 2 Down to -15 I accidentally went to sleep with the tent door open and woke up with snow everywhere inside
Thanks Justin. Great list. I prefer hammock camping in the winter, but winter here is not often colder than -20 C. Hand sanitizer doesn't cause frost bite?! Also, How did you manage to get 50 lbs of gear in that pack.. what did you take?!
Really enjoy your winter camping videos, they are our inspiration for our first attempts this season. We were out at roughly -3C at the coldest this weekend with a properly setup Xmid 2p (block drafts with snow etc) over an aluminum sheet, nemo switchback and etherlight xt insulated together with our new EE Revelation 10F. First time sleeping directly on snow vs a platform and we unfortunately felt the cold quite bad wearing a thick merino shirt (230gsm). I'm an extremely warm sleeper and have gone without shirts in our previous setup (just the etherlight XT ins, KSB 20F sleepingbag over platforms) and felt great at similar temps. I wonder what went wrong this time. It was extremely windy but the tent held well. Any thoughts ?
My guess is most of the heat loss was coming through the Ether Light XT. It is not a warm pad. I find it sleeps colder than the r-value would indicate.
Hey what are the black boots you are wearing in the talking parts of the video? I've been looking for a good insulated snow/hiking boot that is not too bulky.
Good list from an experienced winter camper. May I recommend the excellent paperback book "MIKE & ALLEN'S REALLY COOL WINTER CAMPING BOOK"? It's the best I've ever fond in decades of winter camping. I have a -20 F. LL Bean down mummy bag that could go to -30 F. with a light down jacket and down pants. My -30 F. down mountain parka is great for camp duties like setting up camp and cooking.
Loving the videos, Justin! Was curious if that 3" thick version of the Xtherm is out yet. Seems like all of the vendors are still advertising the old one. Do you know when it will be available or if it already is?
They had to make it 3in so the valve would actually work properly. Without that change the pad material rubs the valve from the inside and causes premature wear.
Here's why I use a 20oz soda bottle instead of a $22 hiking water bottle when I want to bring a "pee bottle" in the winter: - It costs nothing. - It weighs about 1/4 of what the fancy hiking water bottle weighs (0.8 oz vs 3 oz). - If it freezes (I don't want to go outside my tent to empty it for the same reason I didn't want to go outside my tent to empty my bladder) I can just cut it apart instead of trying to melt it somehow. - I don't have to worry about a collapsible bottle cracking from the extreme cold and leaking pee into my sleeping bag.
I love the outdoors and I'm just started getting into winter camping. This is great advice, but I have to say, I will never be using a wag bag. If I'm camping somewhere that requires it, I just won't go there.
$1000 for a tarp I can damn near see through? That’s your winter camping gear advice? 😂😂 I really do love your channel and learn a lot from you but that is wild 😂
@@JustinOutdoors -58 ambient temp? Wind chill included? In a hot tent? Those are very different things... and that's a big deal and a big statement. You make great videos and your kit is good, and complete. Thanks for what you share - I enjoy watching it all. I live in Fairbanks and have been out working, traveling, and camping in 40s and 50s below, down to -62F on two nights (slept in a cabin then). So much time at 20s and 30s below and many nights camped out both sides of -40. Your sleep system is certainly capable of 50ish below, no doubt, but the rest of your kit is more like down to 30s below, max. As you well know, things get very real every 10 degree drop. Many details of your setup just arent up to 40+ below. That and past videos of your's where you mention it's going to be 40 below that night and you're without gloves and insulated pants and in just a thin hat and insufficient boots made me question -58. You dont need to answer to me, that's not what this is, and it's never a p1$$ing match! 😅 Just letting you know what your experienced audience sees and hears. Your target audience will take your word for all you say (I have with a handful of things!), and while they will most likely not want to nor be able to find these extreme temps, it could be dangerous and there's much more to it than just a (even dialed) gear list and that ought to be stated 👍🏼 Props to you for getting out when it's the deep cold. Cheers, Justin. Would love to get out on a trip with you someday.
Cannot believe people pay $1000 USD for a tarp. That is the most insane thing I’ve seen from the ultralight weirdos. That “tent” is a regular guide/bushcraft tarp with fancy fabric. There is absolutely 0 reason to save 7 oz for $850 more compared to a Amazon silnylon tarp and some knot knowledge. Get real.
Great video. This has to be the most jam-packed winter gear guide there is that includes user tips and specs-and it still comes in around 10 minutes. I'm planning some winter trips this year and you've shown me a few items to replace to upgrade my 1980s kit. This should be a pleasant and toasty winter activity here in the Oregon mountains. Thanks for everything!
Not many TH-camrs out there are peeing in bottles several times for their audience. Love it.
Justin is the go to guy for pee and poop solutions in the backcountry. 💩
Hahaha. 💚🌍
I am curios how campers pee or poop in the snowy mountain or forest
Bear Grylls level of commitment... ❤️
All your videos have only been a 9/10. This one however, is a 10/10 because it has a few seconds of a zoomed in shot of poop. Absolutely quality content as always!
I hope gear companies value your videos as much as they should. For some reason I think you're the TH-camr that has had most influence on gear purchases I make. Right of the top of my head I know I've purchased the Vargo DigDig trowel, the Tortoise Gear Fire Rods for my Victorinox knife, and the Hoka Speedgoats off of your recommendations (and other research I did, of course). Super happy with all those items out on trail, thank you!
Oh, and Superfeet insoles, thank you very much haha!
Such a winter camping pro! Appreciate all your videos, esp the winter focussed one as few other TH-camrs do that.
I’ll be venturing out this winter for my first overnight. Got my kit dialed finally. Your advice has been super helpful.
We have this tent, it has been great. We use the half insert with it. We like the bath tub. A few years ago we started using pulks instead of backpacks, as older people they are easier and allow us some extra comfort items. Love you videos !
Justin you're the best!!!!
Incredible list. Picked up a few more tips from this video. Thanks for sharing with us!
Hey I just saw that you showed the fire maple blade 2 earlier and now went to the much heavier whisperlite stove.
What was the reason to go to thus heavier stove?
Gotta love the HMG Ultamid but it's super expensive and if, for some reason, you get very large hail above tree line, it's been known to punch right through the dcf. That would be heartbreaking in more ways than one. Andrew Skurka posted some video from this past summer where the dcf shelters were shredded up in Alaska during one of his group trips. I go very light for three seasons, but I think having a solid interior for alpine storms and winds makes alot of sense in the mountains. Everything else looks super dialed in. I hope I never have to experience those types of sub zero temps though. I certainly do admire your gear and experience! Great video.
outside the sleeping bag, been using SOL Escape Bivvy to cover it... for additional protection from element, from damage, trap and reflect additional heat...
Great Help! Justin i had been using the Nalgene Flexible bottle for a pee bottle big and hard to pack down, so i will try the Hydrapak Stash thanks again
Shouldn't the reflective side of the Switchback be facing up?
Merry Christmas and happy new year
Awesome snow
Perfect set up ❤
Love the look of that sleeping bag! Hope I’m never crazy enough to need it 😂. Great gear list. Much different than 3 season gear. Looks fun until you say things like “minus 30,” then I’m grabbing my slippers and blanket waiting for spring. ❤
Yeah, camped in the 30’s at night the other week. I’m done until spring. 😂. Not buying more gear for 2-3 months or the year over the holidays. My 3-season setup works for 30F-ish at night with a few more layers. Any coldler than that, I don’t enjoy biking or hiking, which is why I camp.
That makes sense! Where I am, winter is 9 months of the year!
This video, is in fairness, fucking fantastic. Packed full of experience, advice and helpful recommendations.
Best camping channel out there 🤘🏼🤘🏼
Thanks for all the good advice for camping!
Great video Justin. Some sweet gear!
Nice kit mate. Think I need a pee bottle for cold nights never thought about it lol
“I measured my pee multiple times, never exceeding 600ml” lmao the dedication to the system, love it
One thing I do not understand: when hiking in the winter, one can take a great food and reheat it, as there is no worries of it spoiling.
So I would prefer to prepare a thick soup, freeze it at home, and ensure it stays frozen. Then add some water and boil it.
This way I can eat clean food.
Heavy
Love all your content. Thanks for bein awesome!
We have no heat in our jobsite pota-poti had to use it today -10c the worst part is when the wind cold blows if you know what mean
love my HMG Ultimid 4. be careful of that zipper though. it's so light and great in a rain storm.
great video. but you need an Paris expedition Pulk.
another great video. Please tell me about the reflective mat. I found one on Amazon but it is super thin and has no foam in it.. I doubt that it has any R-value. Which brand is the one that you are using?
Very nice review! I love my Ultamid 4. Use it every winter on Mount Rainier for camping. Incredibly roomy and comfortable, even in high winds and heavy snow.
Have also slept very comfortably with four adults in it while hiking Yosemite in the summer. It's a true one. Quiver tent. I'm just on the fence about buying an insert since I really like the floorless system
One item you havent mention are your snowshoe.
Which one are you using/ would recommend and why?
Hey Justin, currently planning a backcountry trip to Banff/Jasper/Yoho/Assiniboine for August '23, and hoping to stock up my gear with the deals this Black Friday. I'm very accustomed to UL backpacking down in the States with minimum temps ~5-10C in the mountains. How cold should I expect in the Canadian Rockies? And which clothing might you recommend beyond a base layer, fleece, frog togg jacket, and beanie? Much thanks, and love the vids!
Do you ever put hot water in your HDPE Nalgene for a footbox warmer? I have been testing it out the past few nights, with the exact same green bottle, and have been utterly impressed!
I don't. I've seen leaks happen into sleep systems that could have resulted in very dangerous situations if the temperatures had been colder.
Where did you get the poop bag that's hilarious
I would like to see that tent in a winther storm
What constitutes a winter storm for you? I'll make it happen!
@@JustinOutdoors Hi Justin Looking forward to that.
This is what wikipedia says about winther storms:
Snow accumulation is 15 cm or more in 12 hours, or 8 in (20 cm) or more in 24 hours.
Wind chill index is less than −37 °C for more than 3 hours and sustained wind speed of at least 4.5 m/s
BR Jens
Im watching always. 💚🌍
How did you get the pump to stay on the pad? I have tiny pumps and a thermrest pad
@Justin Outdoors Which snowshoes do you recommend?
Hi, thanks so much for your video. It helps me a lot to understand what is necessary to bring to your winter trips. Still I got a question: Im planning a long 1 month winter trip through the alps next year (from southern Germany to Slovenia). Do you think this gear and especially the tent will be enough to keep you dry and safe throughout so many days? thanks for a short response :))
If you have an opportunity to dry clothing and your sleep system every 5-6 days or so.
@@JustinOutdoors perfect, thx!
If you ever invite us over for dinner sometime, do you think you could use new measuring cups to prepare our meal?
Can you try to recreate a winter set up gor someone who has basically no money? My friend is homeless and about to camp in northern Michigan winter
What happened to the fire maple blade2?
I use it more when trying to save weight. It's not quite as efficient or easy to use as the Whisperlite (also can't use white gas during extreme cold).
Pads aside, how did you establish the -58F sleeping system with the bag and the blanket? BTW, even most winter hikers are unaware of at least one subject you talked about, the consequences of moisture build-up in the sleeping system.
This is the trip where temps hit -50 (th-cam.com/video/PUPoLrxRk-c/w-d-xo.html)
Watching one of your past videos, the low temperature you recorded was an impressive -58F with this system, and you stayed comfortable. That pretty much is the answer to my question.
Hi, thanks for another great video. I'm just curious how you find places to camp in the winter. Are the Rockies a free for all? I live in Manitoba and all the parks are pretty much closed down by late fall. There are places to go, but I've been there :) Can you just head into a park and camp wherever, so long as you leave no trace?
You can head into and PLUZ area and most Wilderness Provincial Parks. Some areas of National Parks allow random camping in winter too
@@JustinOutdoors Thanks!
Hey Justin, what do you do for water treatment? Most water filters are susceptible to freezing and I'm struggling to find a solution.
Any reason you switched from the inreach mini 2 to the messenger?
Haven't switched permanently. The better battery life is nice in the winter and the better app currently isn't available for the IM2.
@@JustinOutdoors Oh I didn't realize the Messenger App didn't work with the mini 2 yet! Good to know!
Lemme get that thermarest nxt review pls
I took my
Sea to summit ether light
Msr hubba hubba nx
Sea to summit ascent 2
Down to -15 I accidentally went to sleep with the tent door open and woke up with snow everywhere inside
Thanks Justin. Great list. I prefer hammock camping in the winter, but winter here is not often colder than -20 C. Hand sanitizer doesn't cause frost bite?! Also, How did you manage to get 50 lbs of gear in that pack.. what did you take?!
What about the ultimate pink spoon?!
Is the valve any different with the new xtherm. Also it looks blue is that so?
How did you get the NXT version? 😮
Really enjoy your winter camping videos, they are our inspiration for our first attempts this season. We were out at roughly -3C at the coldest this weekend with a properly setup Xmid 2p (block drafts with snow etc) over an aluminum sheet, nemo switchback and etherlight xt insulated together with our new EE Revelation 10F. First time sleeping directly on snow vs a platform and we unfortunately felt the cold quite bad wearing a thick merino shirt (230gsm). I'm an extremely warm sleeper and have gone without shirts in our previous setup (just the etherlight XT ins, KSB 20F sleepingbag over platforms) and felt great at similar temps. I wonder what went wrong this time. It was extremely windy but the tent held well. Any thoughts ?
My guess is most of the heat loss was coming through the Ether Light XT. It is not a warm pad. I find it sleeps colder than the r-value would indicate.
Hi Justin. Greetings from Quebec city. Love your content. Have you ever tried alcohol stove (like the Trangia) in winter camping? Thanks!
Hey what are the black boots you are wearing in the talking parts of the video? I've been looking for a good insulated snow/hiking boot that is not too bulky.
Where do you put your poop bag when you backpack out? Seems risky.
Good list from an experienced winter camper.
May I recommend the excellent paperback book "MIKE & ALLEN'S REALLY COOL WINTER CAMPING BOOK"? It's the best I've ever fond in decades of winter camping.
I have a -20 F. LL Bean down mummy bag that could go to -30 F. with a light down jacket and down pants. My -30 F. down mountain parka is great for camp duties like setting up camp and cooking.
You look pretty today
Justin I must know, where did you get your iconic purple/red pants? Not in this video but every other haha
I need pad straps, I about lost my mind on my last backpacking trip!!!🤦♀️
Loving the videos, Justin! Was curious if that 3" thick version of the Xtherm is out yet. Seems like all of the vendors are still advertising the old one. Do you know when it will be available or if it already is?
Should be out in January or February
They had to make it 3in so the valve would actually work properly. Without that change the pad material rubs the valve from the inside and causes premature wear.
Amazing setup!
You didn’t link the first aid kit video
Here's why I use a 20oz soda bottle instead of a $22 hiking water bottle when I want to bring a "pee bottle" in the winter:
- It costs nothing.
- It weighs about 1/4 of what the fancy hiking water bottle weighs (0.8 oz vs 3 oz).
- If it freezes (I don't want to go outside my tent to empty it for the same reason I didn't want to go outside my tent to empty my bladder) I can just cut it apart instead of trying to melt it somehow.
- I don't have to worry about a collapsible bottle cracking from the extreme cold and leaking pee into my sleeping bag.
I love the outdoors and I'm just started getting into winter camping. This is great advice, but I have to say, I will never be using a wag bag. If I'm camping somewhere that requires it, I just won't go there.
never heard of toothepaste tabs wth
$1000 for a tarp I can damn near see through? That’s your winter camping gear advice? 😂😂
I really do love your channel and learn a lot from you but that is wild 😂
I've been testing a good polyester alternative that costs a fraction but weighs twice as much
I thought I went "winter" camping. Then he said -58'! 😂
You've slept at -58F?
I have
@@JustinOutdoors -58 ambient temp? Wind chill included? In a hot tent? Those are very different things... and that's a big deal and a big statement. You make great videos and your kit is good, and complete. Thanks for what you share - I enjoy watching it all.
I live in Fairbanks and have been out working, traveling, and camping in 40s and 50s below, down to -62F on two nights (slept in a cabin then). So much time at 20s and 30s below and many nights camped out both sides of -40. Your sleep system is certainly capable of 50ish below, no doubt, but the rest of your kit is more like down to 30s below, max. As you well know, things get very real every 10 degree drop. Many details of your setup just arent up to 40+ below. That and past videos of your's where you mention it's going to be 40 below that night and you're without gloves and insulated pants and in just a thin hat and insufficient boots made me question -58. You dont need to answer to me, that's not what this is, and it's never a p1$$ing match! 😅 Just letting you know what your experienced audience sees and hears. Your target audience will take your word for all you say (I have with a handful of things!), and while they will most likely not want to nor be able to find these extreme temps, it could be dangerous and there's much more to it than just a (even dialed) gear list and that ought to be stated 👍🏼 Props to you for getting out when it's the deep cold. Cheers, Justin. Would love to get out on a trip with you someday.
The forbidden lemonade
Solid turdcicle
Legit
Pee bottle is good for us men but what alternative is there for women?
There's a couple options available (search "pee funnel for women")
Actually I'm curious. Does your pee freeze?
DIDDY BAG?!
💟💗💝❣️💖💓❤️😇♥️
Cannot believe people pay $1000 USD for a tarp. That is the most insane thing I’ve seen from the ultralight weirdos. That “tent” is a regular guide/bushcraft tarp with fancy fabric. There is absolutely 0 reason to save 7 oz for $850 more compared to a Amazon silnylon tarp and some knot knowledge. Get real.
Yeah android!
Do they make an extra extra extra wide mouthed pee bottle?
Instead of spending $1000 on the tent, buy a $200 t tent and a $200 stove.
Why a pee bottle? Every single animal pees in the woods. There is no reason why a human shouldn't be able to do the same.
So you don't need to get out of your sleeping bag when it is extremely cold
@@JustinOutdoors Ah! Makes sense now.
Why are you peeing in a bottle? 🤔