Totalavulsion man I know your comments 8 months old but look at matieu van der Poel in Cycli cross and froome before injury attacking with 80k solo and holding it. To good to be true... would kill the sport if people like froome were doping
Mechanical doping is 250watts marginal gain, it's huge. For the hour record, the recordman sustained a power output of 440watts during 1 hour which is a top level performance. You add 250 watts to 440watts, you have absolutly no chances to reach this level of power without medical doping.
@@robbiddlecombe8392 Wha what? Mate. I was NOT implying that he cheated. I was merely agreeing that the bike turned the pedals slightly when it was laid down. In fact, I believe he did not cheat. So how about reading my comment once more before accusing me?
@@robbierobt Maybe he did not want to obstruct anybody. I usually pick my bike up quickly from the road and onto the pavement to prevent obstruction on the road.
Seán Kelly was in full flight talking about the hill and the riders until Cancellara hit the boost button. The other commentator took over about "what class" and "what power" but Seán knew and he didn't say another word. Seán was the best classic rider of his generation. He knows whats possible on a bike and whats too good to be true!
No, that was the perfect commentary. You might as well ham it up when you see something so ridiculous. (And yes, Cancellara used a motorbike to get up the hill)
Another time was the 2008 Beijing Olympic road race. It was a downhill stretch that he broke free of the group he was in and did a massive solo effort to join up with the breakaway. The cameras did not focus on him much but he was blowing away the group he was in in a non-human way it was so hard to believe. However, he didn't win since Sammy Sanchez was a much better in a sprint so only took silver, reducing the scrutiny of what he was doing. 2008 so none of the bikes were screened.
Cancellara only looked that good in 2010 at Flanders and Roubaix (that I watched anyway) until people started accusing him of having a motor. He never had that kind of acceleration in either of those races in the future. No one could catch him at Roubaix, no matter how hard they pushed, he just eased away. He's a cheater for sure in my eyes. I've never seen anything like it from any rider. If he could have replicated it after suspicion maybe. But he couldn't so ....
@@thecarpetman7687 on cobbles you HAVE to sit down to put power in the wheel, the grip on the backwheel is lost when you stand up to a high degree, that is, if you are on a slope of course. If you have to stand up on cobbles you have lost. The grip on cobbles are bad they can be slippery, there is loss of grip in spaces between the cobbles. When you stand up you move the weight from the backwheel on to the frontwheel. On a slope the effect is more than doubled. When that is said, I dont know about this. I have seen others do the same sometimes, and cancellara seemed to be an insane motor himself. But it could be true and if it is its a disgrace. For sure they cant get away with that today.
This was very helpful, still impossible to prove until we can actually find a motor, as in the young lady who was using one in her Cycle Cross bike. Van Aert's is really a stretch, but we have seen our heroes get taken down with real cheating, as in Lance, etc, and it will just be a matter of time, before a mechanic comes out and tells us the truth. We have to believe that motors have been used, and it will come out sooner or later. Thanks for taking the time to post this video.
Why don,t the UCI mark bikes like the FIA do in motorsport, with engines tyres etc. The could have scrutineering at the start of each race when all bikes could be checked and marked. Maybe they need a parc ferme situation at the end of each day where bikes have t be left overnight.The UCI method seems to completely lack conviction.
I want Cancellara to be clean... but his accelerations are other worldly... Both Boonen and Patrick Lafevre said Cancellara used a motor and although it could be sour grapes, I don't think either of them needs to boost their status by talking crap about another rider.
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I don't think it was a bike with charged batteries , it was back onto the conventional in case it got looked at.everyone saw the crashed bikes back wheel spinning so had to get rid of that one !!!
It is, just like every visible objects. But the wheel also spins until the tire touches the ground. Just watch in slow motion : it's clearly visible thanks to the white writing on the edge near the tire.
@@TheDidiwolf34 Play it back at 0.25 speed, and the white writing doesn't move. The black disc covering the spokes isn't a smooth circle, hence the illusion of movement. I must confess I've seen that footage a lot before and also thought it was pretty conclusive, but I've changed my mind after looking into it more closely.
Its still cheating Joe, work is supposed arduous, soul sucking and breaking and you are cheating your employer out of that which he gains from your commute. cheaters bever win especially when there is nothing to win anyway
Martin O'Brien Boone’s is clearly over geared for the incline. Don’t forget Cancellara was Olympic time trial champion, 3(?) x world champion . His legs and entire lower body are far more powerful than Boonen. Don’t allow yourself to be duped by this silly and unsubstantiated video.
There is no proof because the actual bike was 'stolen' after the race... Cancellara also switched 2 times from bike while there was nothing really wrong with the bikes at all. In Roubaix he did the same, there is enough footage that looks very suspicious. I don't trust that Swiss guy. After all this UCI is checking bikes all the time so they know he did it, but there is no hard proof sadly.
@@musiccorner6377 @John Wayne No what happend was the following, you can see it on better youtube footage: One pedal striked the soft mud. As the wheel was lifted this caused the wheel to spin freely.So really nothing wrong with it.
@@_clemens_correct, you even see the bike jump in the air as the pedal strikes the ground, it's 100% normal and happens multiple times in every muddy amateur cross race. The only one in the whole video I can't square away logically in my head is the Boonen/Cancellara one.
The motors work directly on the wheels, not the pedals. The batteries can be hidden anywhere but the motors are incorporated into the axle assembly and are all but impossible to detect without actually dismantling the wheel.
Boonen suffered from cramps at that climb, and prior to it. Cancellara sat in Boonen's wheel to assess the situation. As Boonen started to really suffer on the steep part, Cancellara overtook him, and put the watts down while seated. Even if they had reached the top together, Cancellara would have won. Would have walked away from Boonen in a TT fashion.
I dont think the electric motor is in the rear hub, i think its in the seat post. So every fast spinning wheel without the peddels moving is just sliding to me.
Also at 3:17 the wheel is not spinning its the reflection of the sun that makes it look like its spinning. You can see that the text on the wheel doesnt move.
You're completely correct. In terms of the small rumours section, none of them look suspicious as the hidden motor only operates by turning the pedals, and in most of them the pedals were stationary. They're all just a case of inertia where the wheel is free spinning. Cancellara however...
sad part of all this is we are just running the real talent out of the sport. being in a Pro Am race and getting smoked by guys later to be found guilty of systematic doping is no fun.
It is important to debate how corrupt the organization can be, for letting this happen in the eyes of everyone. Blood doping is shameful, but equipment doping is very unfair and humiliating, the runner would have to feel ashamed of that.
This is why I got over cycling, watching my heroes and people I respected cheat one way or another. I thought baseball and football was bad. Some of these guys are bringing straight up powered scooters to races these days.
Looks like they forgot to put a pressure switch on the seat or pedals so that when the guys off the bike it stops running. That's also not called doping. It's called cheating
I raced Motocross for years. I know how a rear wheel behaves in dirt when powered by a motor. That cyclecross rider at the end of the video had a motor 100 percent no doubt.
You can't compare motor bike tyres with cyclocross tyres...you have much rougher profile and much wider tyres. Motor cross is also mostly done in much deeper mud, which gives more grip. And the power distribution over time is more homogeneous with a motor bike (ok for the last argument at that speed it shouldn't matter that much you see this more when it goes uphill)...I invite you buy a cyclocross bike and go on the tracks like they do (the days before you can just go on them, have done it myself multiple times), and you will experience that you will search for grip everywhere...It's no coincidence they have typical tyre pressures of 1.5 bar, which is nothing for such small tyres (on road bikes typically 6-8 bars are used, as there you have grip). It had nothing to do with mechanical doping, beleive me. All the others Van Aert videos were the same story (except the one where the wheel seems to spin from it's own, but if you watch closely on better footage on youtube you see clearly the right pedal got stuck in the mud)
Are you kidding me? Ever heard of mud and how a tire can loose traction on uneven surface? Those are pros riding cyclocross not amateurs playing with motocross -like bikes
remote control Motocross is not cyclo cross and I raced that for years. In sticky clay/mud like that? You are reduced riding slicks . Trying to put power down in that terrain? Even a rider less powerful than these pros would spin the tire.
4:30 nah that’s not doping I don’t think. Some riders demonstrated how this is very possible when you leave your bike on the ground after a crash like that
I was born in 1954 and started to watch the tour de France in my country: France> It was magic. Doping already existed. Nothing really new. Now the bikes are doped . I don't care anymore. It is sad . For the first time at 65 years old I haven't watched the tour this year.. I propose 2 tours. One with dope and one without and with serious control from the beginning during and at the end... We'll see who are the reel talents...
Cruzanbum I’ll say, the wheel was clearly stoped from sliding sideways.., then magically the bike starts rotating. Many of the other clips show the pedal touching the ground and turning the cranks. Cancellara against Tom Boonen was just disgusting. You can see Tom giving it everything just like every other champion (doped or not) in the past. Cancellara might as well of been on a Moto GP bike!
The most insane and comical one is still the climb vs Boonen at Ronde. Boonen was and still is one of the greatest cobblestone riders of all time and the way that FC destroys him (and would have destroyed anyone in history) up that steepest section of the climb, while calmly sitting in the saddle is pure nonsense. I even wonder if looking back Cancellara was like "man, even that was too obvious". 250m on a rider in the space of what, 500m? You DOUBLED the speed of another pro rider on that section? All of this just happens to occur seconds after a weird little move with his right hand near the shifter that didn't appear to be a change of gear. Yeah okay. A friend of mine had a theory on Cancellara - that he didn't want to take drugs and dope himself, but also knew that everyone else was and he couldn't compete without it - so he did the only other thing he could - something with the bike. Makes a lot of sense.
In terms of the small rumours section, none of them look suspicious as the hidden motor only operates by turning the pedals, and in most of them the pedals were stationary. They're all just a case of inertia where the wheel is free spinning. Cancellara however...
I don't think there is motor doping now, checks are real. But back then in 2009-2010 it could have happened for sure. Boonen is left here like he was a junior, it's unreal.
Yes, it's more or less stopped at top UCI races since they do screenings of the winner on all their bikes, monitor bike changes, and random checks of everyone else. Back in the day nobody stopped even for a second though to see if a motor was hidden somewhere. Just unreal to even think someone would stoop that low to essentially use a disguised moped to win a race.
At min.3:55 its a very bad sequence of quality. In a much better quality video you can see: when the driver pushed his bike around the corner, the right pedal of the bike hits a stone or another obstacle in the pathway and that turns the pedal!
I remember when I raced back in the eighties. The big thing then was how narrow you could get your tires, and whether slicks really were worth it. I can't imagine the dirty stuff that they're doing now. Unreal.
totally not...I can give you reasonable explanations to most of the accidents here...(exceptions are Van Den Driessche and Cancellara, and the fact that the guy from Movistar didn't want to change his bike is also strange, but all others I can give you a perfect logic explanation, just ask)
@@_clemens_ @4:27 : take a competition bike - great opportunity for you, it will be an occasion to see one for real - and reproduce this without an engine... Yes, indeed, it's just impossible. Amazingly the guy on the motorbike (I mean the gazoline one ;-) helps stopping the scene....the rider would still be running in circle after his e-bike.
I feel bad for the people not cheating. They’re basically riding motorcycles. That’s why it’s hard for me to watch this sport and others like body building etc. like it just watching steroids and motors etc it’s less interesting
It looked like in all of the examples that the rear wheel was not behaving like a normal wheel should. It doesn't take much of an assist to get a big advantage in a race, there is the mental advantage also, if you think you will be getting a big boost you will benefit more.
Cheating should rule out for the rest of life. Maybe the only way to get rid of cheating. Some bikes should also be separated after the race at the slightest suspicion of mechanical doping! Absolutely unbelievable that those batteries can not be found before the race. Engineers and inventors came out of the bush!
Yes, cheating is not just a crime against the other competitors, it's a crime against the sport itself. It should lead to a lifetime racing ban and disqualification for all previous wins.
In some ways, this is even more unethical than drug/blood doping. At least the doped rider is still using his body (albeit "improved" via doping) to power the bike. The motorized rider, however, is circumventing the whole idea of athletic competition altogether :-(
Cancellera had been doing this all his career long before any of this technology was even thought of. I'd be more convinced if an also ran suddenly started doing it same as with pharmaceutical doping Admittedly some of the clips at the end look dodgy but without the evidence of a wheel spinning out of control then I think that it's unfair to implicate an already proven winner and I'm sure that all the bikes were checked at the 2026 Rio Olympics where Cancellera won the individual time trial .
Spinning from the wheel after a crash is more common than you think. And obviously this video is pure hatred towards Fabian Cancellara. Just look at the lower body of Cancellera, especially his legs. He is a real powerhouse and a great time trialist. Boonen was already tired when they started the climb. Just showing one moment in the race without any context is literally no proof.
bruh, when you can make your wheel go from a stand still to full tilt without touching the pedals while it's resting against the ground, please show off your superhuman telekinetic abilities lmfao don't be an idiot. Cancellara may have had monster legs, but he was a cheat through and through - there's no doubt.
Most of this can be explained by simple physics. And it's not because I'm naive, I actually thing they´re all doping (normal physiological doping). Every. single. one. in the pro peloton. But not mechanical doping.
Surely the riders not using motors would know and say something. Omerta, yes, I know, but that hardly applies here. I mean an engine on a bicycle... Whatever next, a fellow in a dress and a sports bra competing in woman's sports?
At 4:20 that’s was almost a damn High Side. Er only applicable to MOTORcyclists when the rear looses traction out of a corner, and then regains grip. Most egregious
michael frassica hahaha, just said the same thing to my wife while watching the video, I said we’re basically watching motorcycle races...high-sides, wheels spinning after the bike goes down, bunch idiots!
Cycling has always been dirty - at the turn of the 20th century riders were downing alcohol and drugs. Amphetamines, developed by the Germans during WWI, found a steady supply of customers from bike racing teams. And then on to blood doping and testosterone even scarier stuff like human growth hormone (HGH). Growth hormone has been linked to cancer, and it’s almost unbelievable that Lance Armstrong used HGH after his battle with that terrible disease. But he did! We can only conclude that bike racing will always involve cheating. As this example shows, it’s pretty easy to spot who is outperforming everyone else. Now, I am dubious about success in any sport, even geezer sports like golf and curling. At the center of any sport is honor. But sport today has no honor. Maybe it never did. I no longer watch bicycle racing. During the TDF this year I have no idea who is leading or even competing. Instead I’m out there on my Tarmac struggling up the Bay Area hills. And I’m 69 years old.
Makes me sick. I’m trying to not let it ruin cycling for me, but when you know what your spending your life loving, may be fake so often, makes me sick
Cancelara didn’t have a bottle in the seat-tube cage where it has to be to power a motor, so couldn’t have had a motor. I hate to say it though, Ryder Hesidahl had one ONLY on his seat tube cage. Still proves little about Ryder. Does disprove a lot for Fabian though.
Cycling history has taught us that if it looks too good to be true then it usually is
Totalavulsion man I know your comments 8 months old but look at matieu van der Poel in Cycli cross and froome before injury attacking with 80k solo and holding it. To good to be true... would kill the sport if people like froome were doping
Mr Crackers I know your comments 7 months old but I really agree it would ruin the sport if they found out people like froome were doping
@@bestcyclingmoments6035 If Froome is still in the peloton it's because of his lawiers, he got caught
It's amazing to see someone who is most likely blood doping being passed by someone mechanical doping.
😅 Cycling is the dirtiest sport there is.
@@AJ-xv7oh not as dirty as baseball
@@MyDemon32 would you like to elaborate?I don't know much about baseball.But find it intresting.
Geo Noy Astros sign stealing is probably the big scandal they're talking about
Mechanical doping is 250watts marginal gain, it's huge. For the hour record, the recordman sustained a power output of 440watts during 1 hour which is a top level performance. You add 250 watts to 440watts, you have absolutly no chances to reach this level of power without medical doping.
If you watch the Lemond podcast , he talks about Froome using a motor when he won the ventoux stage of the tour .
3:00 i think it's just the pedal who turn a little bit when he posed his bike
Yup. You can see the pedal rotate when he lays the bike down.
@@robbiddlecombe8392 Wha what? Mate. I was NOT implying that he cheated. I was merely agreeing that the bike turned the pedals slightly when it was laid down. In fact, I believe he did not cheat. So how about reading my comment once more before accusing me?
But he picks up his bike immediately and in a very weird way two seconds after dropping it?!
@@robbierobt Maybe he did not want to obstruct anybody. I usually pick my bike up quickly from the road and onto the pavement to prevent obstruction on the road.
@@robbiddlecombe8392 SEAN KELLY COMMENT HERE..????.....th-cam.com/video/3cDbNJMwxWY/w-d-xo.html
Seán Kelly was in full flight talking about the hill and the riders until Cancellara hit the boost button. The other commentator took over about "what class" and "what power" but Seán knew and he didn't say another word. Seán was the best classic rider of his generation. He knows whats possible on a bike and whats too good to be true!
John C exactly he literally talks about there being no grip and how steep that section is 😂
No, that was the perfect commentary. You might as well ham it up when you see something so ridiculous. (And yes, Cancellara used a motorbike to get up the hill)
LISTEN TO KELLY HERE THEN......th-cam.com/video/3cDbNJMwxWY/w-d-xo.html
@@StopTheRot People conflate the overall time with his effort in the last minute or so. Conditions were different too.
@@StopTheRot Did you ever rode the muur of Geraardsbergen. Riding so hard to let Tom Boonen behind like he is a rookie is impossible.
As in most human endeavors, cheating will happen when money is involved..
Word
I used to think the whole Cancellara thing was complete nonsense but as time has went on I'm now convinced he was using a motor
I saw a clip of him accelerating away from the peloton in another race....looked like he was getting a little assistance......
Another time was the 2008 Beijing Olympic road race. It was a downhill stretch that he broke free of the group he was in and did a massive solo effort to join up with the breakaway. The cameras did not focus on him much but he was blowing away the group he was in in a non-human way it was so hard to believe. However, he didn't win since Sammy Sanchez was a much better in a sprint so only took silver, reducing the scrutiny of what he was doing. 2008 so none of the bikes were screened.
That is why we need not to ban powermeters , but to make rider's numbers public
power meters only measure watt output. They don't contribute to performance.
@@cliffcox7643 Experts can analyze watts, cadence, and kmph to find out if anybody is using motors...
Ahhh, so you're saying if a guy is making 1000 watts for 2 hours, there's something wrong!
cliff cox no we are saying if your leaving a guy like he’s stood still and your both putting 5watts per kilo out something is not right.
Just Do It Tom
You’re dumb
Cancellara only looked that good in 2010 at Flanders and Roubaix (that I watched anyway) until people started accusing him of having a motor. He never had that kind of acceleration in either of those races in the future. No one could catch him at Roubaix, no matter how hard they pushed, he just eased away. He's a cheater for sure in my eyes. I've never seen anything like it from any rider. If he could have replicated it after suspicion maybe. But he couldn't so ....
Cancellara was so obvious he had to stop using a motor…nobody has that kind of acceleration on cobbles sitting down
Cheater 100%
Totally disgraceful. Even blood dopers spat on him, using what was essentially a moped to blow away other riders.
@@thecarpetman7687 on cobbles you HAVE to sit down to put power in the wheel, the grip on the backwheel is lost when you stand up to a high degree, that is, if you are on a slope of course. If you have to stand up on cobbles you have lost.
The grip on cobbles are bad they can be slippery, there is loss of grip in spaces between the cobbles. When you stand up you move the weight from the backwheel on to the frontwheel. On a slope the effect is more than doubled.
When that is said, I dont know about this. I have seen others do the same sometimes, and cancellara seemed to be an insane motor himself. But it could be true and if it is its a disgrace.
For sure they cant get away with that today.
Fast forward to MVDP Flanders and Roubaix 2024 ...
This was very helpful, still impossible to prove until we can actually find a motor, as in the young lady who was using one in her Cycle Cross bike. Van Aert's is really a stretch, but we have seen our heroes get taken down with real cheating, as in Lance, etc, and it will just be a matter of time, before a mechanic comes out and tells us the truth. We have to believe that motors have been used, and it will come out sooner or later. Thanks for taking the time to post this video.
The Van Aert one is not more of a stretch than the others. His backwheel literally goes bezerk with no pedaling.
That last one... Come on man! That bike was spinning itself after a complete stop.
Why don,t the UCI mark bikes like the FIA do in motorsport, with engines tyres etc. The could have scrutineering at the start of each race when all bikes could be checked and marked. Maybe they need a parc ferme situation at the end of each day where bikes have t be left overnight.The UCI method seems to completely lack conviction.
Doping + mechanical doping, There is absolutly no chances for the other competitors ! The story is already written !
They are all doping
Cancellara conman, Van Aert conman, Hesjedal coneman…all jerks , no one had the balls to question this footage what clear shows mechanical doping
I want Cancellara to be clean... but his accelerations are other worldly... Both Boonen and Patrick Lafevre said Cancellara used a motor and although it could be sour grapes, I don't think either of them needs to boost their status by talking crap about another rider.
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I don't think it was a bike with charged batteries , it was back onto the conventional in case it got looked at.everyone saw the crashed bikes back wheel spinning so had to get rid of that one !!!
Awesome, I like the small rumours best.Really that bit should be called back wheel turned round by motor.
Cancellara is a machine ...
Froome is a machine ...
Now i get that phrase :D!
At 3:15 the wheel isn't spinning, its just reflecting the light.
It is, just like every visible objects. But the wheel also spins until the tire touches the ground. Just watch in slow motion : it's clearly visible thanks to the white writing on the edge near the tire.
TheDidiwolf34 The wheel doesn't spin at all, you see the light and get confused.
@@TheDidiwolf34 Play it back at 0.25 speed, and the white writing doesn't move. The black disc covering the spokes isn't a smooth circle, hence the illusion of movement.
I must confess I've seen that footage a lot before and also thought it was pretty conclusive, but I've changed my mind after looking into it more closely.
@kayak : Hope you can find an ophtalmologist near by. Give us some news someday.
Ju De Pomme Maybe one day you'll learn to spell. Let's see which happens first.
I want one if those bikes, the UCI doesn't govern my commute to work so I think I'll be good.
lol
It’s called an unlocked e bike or just get a mopeg. Lots of cheaper options out there. Mechanically doping is not cheap
You can actually get a similar ebike. Prices have been going down on these rides as the technology improves.
Its still cheating Joe, work is supposed arduous, soul sucking and breaking and you are cheating your employer out of that which he gains from your commute. cheaters bever win especially when there is nothing to win anyway
I'm convinced Cancellara used a motor. It looks so obvious now!
Martin O'Brien lol 0 prooth
Martin O'Brien
Boone’s is clearly over geared for the incline.
Don’t forget Cancellara was Olympic time trial champion,
3(?) x world champion .
His legs and entire lower body are far more powerful than Boonen.
Don’t allow yourself to be duped by this silly and unsubstantiated video.
homard62, just like all those people making silly unsubstantiated claims about Lance, the idiots.
Fabian has been up the climb the same time before, people were quicker in the same race.
There is no proof because the actual bike was 'stolen' after the race... Cancellara also switched 2 times from bike while there was nothing really wrong with the bikes at all. In Roubaix he did the same, there is enough footage that looks very suspicious. I don't trust that Swiss guy. After all this UCI is checking bikes all the time so they know he did it, but there is no hard proof sadly.
3:50 does it for me ,Wheels don't do that when you're running next to them haha
indeed
@@musiccorner6377 he struck is foot on the pedal, you can see him puling his foot away fast after he hit it
@@larsborgman3443 yeah yeah you right sorry about your Idol
@@musiccorner6377 @John Wayne No what happend was the following, you can see it on better youtube footage: One pedal striked the soft mud. As the wheel was lifted this caused the wheel to spin freely.So really nothing wrong with it.
@@_clemens_correct, you even see the bike jump in the air as the pedal strikes the ground, it's 100% normal and happens multiple times in every muddy amateur cross race.
The only one in the whole video I can't square away logically in my head is the Boonen/Cancellara one.
I will make it real simple for everyone: if someone looks like they're chilling while destroying the world's top riders - they are cheating!
100% true undeniable fact! Thank you.
Pogacar.
Wow! some of those are particularly bad. Back wheels dont accelerate when braking into a corner!
Regarding the wheel spinning, shouldn't the motor work on the pedals but not the wheels? I am confused.
The motors work directly on the wheels, not the pedals. The batteries can be hidden anywhere but the motors are incorporated into the axle assembly and are all but impossible to detect without actually dismantling the wheel.
@texasray5237 wrong.
Fabian blasting away from on-form Tomke and Wiggo... "Extraterrestial" as they say.
Except Tom was completely empty and Fabian only averaged 285 watts throughout the race up to that point.
Boonen suffered from cramps at that climb, and prior to it. Cancellara sat in Boonen's wheel to assess the situation. As Boonen started to really suffer on the steep part, Cancellara overtook him, and put the watts down while seated.
Even if they had reached the top together, Cancellara would have won. Would have walked away from Boonen in a TT fashion.
@@DolleHengst Keep telling yourself that. I guess Da Nile isn't just a river in Egypt anymore?
I dont think the electric motor is in the rear hub, i think its in the seat post. So every fast spinning wheel without the peddels moving is just sliding to me.
Also at 3:17 the wheel is not spinning its the reflection of the sun that makes it look like its spinning. You can see that the text on the wheel doesnt move.
You're completely correct. In terms of the small rumours section, none of them look suspicious as the hidden motor only operates by turning the pedals, and in most of them the pedals were stationary. They're all just a case of inertia where the wheel is free spinning. Cancellara however...
3:23 so what about all the guys who have put their bikes on the roof and jumped in the car...
sad part of all this is we are just running the real talent out of the sport. being in a Pro Am race and getting smoked by guys later to be found guilty of systematic doping is no fun.
nobody dopes from the moment they step foot on a bike. The best riders become professionals and then they start doping.
It is important to debate how corrupt the organization can be, for letting this happen in the eyes of everyone. Blood doping is shameful, but equipment doping is very unfair and humiliating, the runner would have to feel ashamed of that.
This is why I got over cycling, watching my heroes and people I respected cheat one way or another. I thought baseball and football was bad. Some of these guys are bringing straight up powered scooters to races these days.
Pretty much every sport involved in high standards are dirty and ppl don't care at all.
Looks like they forgot to put a pressure switch on the seat or pedals so that when the guys off the bike it stops running. That's also not called doping. It's called cheating
Doping is cheating!
come on, is the same not in method but in dirty way...
That guy chilling while climbing that huge hill for sure
I raced Motocross for years. I know how a rear wheel behaves in dirt when powered by a motor. That cyclecross rider at the end of the video had a motor 100 percent no doubt.
You can't compare motor bike tyres with cyclocross tyres...you have much rougher profile and much wider tyres. Motor cross is also mostly done in much deeper mud, which gives more grip. And the power distribution over time is more homogeneous with a motor bike (ok for the last argument at that speed it shouldn't matter that much you see this more when it goes uphill)...I invite you buy a cyclocross bike and go on the tracks like they do (the days before you can just go on them, have done it myself multiple times), and you will experience that you will search for grip everywhere...It's no coincidence they have typical tyre pressures of 1.5 bar, which is nothing for such small tyres (on road bikes typically 6-8 bars are used, as there you have grip). It had nothing to do with mechanical doping, beleive me. All the others Van Aert videos were the same story (except the one where the wheel seems to spin from it's own, but if you watch closely on better footage on youtube you see clearly the right pedal got stuck in the mud)
remote control They wanted to hide it with facts like he was spinning so hard that the momentum spinned his bike.
Are you kidding me? Ever heard of mud and how a tire can loose traction on uneven surface? Those are pros riding cyclocross not amateurs playing with motocross -like bikes
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Motocross is not cyclo cross and I raced that for years.
In sticky clay/mud like that?
You are reduced riding slicks .
Trying to put power down in that terrain?
Even a rider less powerful than these pros would spin the tire.
The legs of Van Aert is the motor..
I love the language used by the commentator: "Cancellara just sat back and turned on the power."
Talk about hiding in plain sight.
4:30 nah that’s not doping I don’t think. Some riders demonstrated how this is very possible when you leave your bike on the ground after a crash like that
I was born in 1954 and started to watch the tour de France in my country: France> It was magic. Doping already existed. Nothing really new. Now the bikes are doped . I don't care anymore. It is sad . For the first time at 65 years old I haven't watched the tour this year.. I propose 2 tours. One with dope and one without and with serious control from the beginning during and at the end... We'll see who are the reel talents...
I was a fan of Cancellara, but to see him drop Boonen in the Ronde like that was suspicious to say the least.
dont' understand why they dont check the bikes at the finishline...
pur poor guys who train hard without doping
The Hysjedal crash was the one that sealed my opinion of motors when I first saw it a few years back.
Cruzanbum I’ll say, the wheel was clearly stoped from sliding sideways.., then magically the bike starts rotating. Many of the other clips show the pedal touching the ground and turning the cranks. Cancellara against Tom Boonen was just disgusting. You can see Tom giving it everything just like every other champion (doped or not) in the past. Cancellara might as well of been on a Moto GP bike!
The most insane and comical one is still the climb vs Boonen at Ronde. Boonen was and still is one of the greatest cobblestone riders of all time and the way that FC destroys him (and would have destroyed anyone in history) up that steepest section of the climb, while calmly sitting in the saddle is pure nonsense. I even wonder if looking back Cancellara was like "man, even that was too obvious". 250m on a rider in the space of what, 500m? You DOUBLED the speed of another pro rider on that section? All of this just happens to occur seconds after a weird little move with his right hand near the shifter that didn't appear to be a change of gear. Yeah okay. A friend of mine had a theory on Cancellara - that he didn't want to take drugs and dope himself, but also knew that everyone else was and he couldn't compete without it - so he did the only other thing he could - something with the bike. Makes a lot of sense.
FC wasn’t too bright by opening that gap. All the others were obvious cheats too.
It was mechanical doping. It was even more evident in Paris-Roubaix.
Gorka Izagire's attitude is really weird!! He jump on his bike just for stop the motor and just after he changes his bike...
Never seen the van aert footage slowed down like that. Wow
In terms of the small rumours section, none of them look suspicious as the hidden motor only operates by turning the pedals, and in most of them the pedals were stationary. They're all just a case of inertia where the wheel is free spinning. Cancellara however...
Technically if a Mechanical Doper won on suspected Blood doping race or Tour is actually the cleanest rider. 😅
Let's not forget the completely suspicious bike change Cancellera had at Roubouix where he then proceeded to destroy the entire field.
Should be inspecting the bikes at the start and end of every stage
Ger Ruddy that already happens in the most races
It is right in Front of our eyes.. this shouldn't be a pro sport anymore.. end of the story
I don't think there is motor doping now, checks are real. But back then in 2009-2010 it could have happened for sure. Boonen is left here like he was a junior, it's unreal.
Yes, it's more or less stopped at top UCI races since they do screenings of the winner on all their bikes, monitor bike changes, and random checks of everyone else. Back in the day nobody stopped even for a second though to see if a motor was hidden somewhere. Just unreal to even think someone would stoop that low to essentially use a disguised moped to win a race.
Really good bearings
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@@SamSeoMaC faceplant!!
3:06 It's definitely doped.
03:07 is clearly no motordoping. Bike was layed down on a pedal, which leeds always to a spin
Wheels are moving way faster than the gears
That's makes me sick .. for the others and also for the childrens who see that ! What a shame ...
At min.3:55 its a very bad sequence of quality. In a much better quality video you can see: when the driver pushed his bike around the corner, the right pedal of the bike hits a stone or another obstacle in the pathway and that turns the pedal!
3:48 as a usual E-bike user I can affirm without any doubt 100% that is a E-bike. That "mini-wheely" happens to me very often.
He was in the motion of steppen on the left pedal to get over that small hill. That accusation is straight bullshit.
4:22 look at that roost! 😂
Nearly a highside !
Confirmed!
4:25 is a motor 100%, no question. Nice video!
I remember when I raced back in the eighties. The big thing then was how narrow you could get your tires, and whether slicks really were worth it. I can't imagine the dirty stuff that they're doing now. Unreal.
still riding 20-622 and having a few 18-622 on stock which i am looking forward to try out :)
You think the 80s were clean? Ummm
Who would have thought that professional wrestling is more real than bike racing.
3:50 to 3:57 - 100% without the slightest shadow of a doubt that that bike had an electric motor and battery in it.
Those are not small rumors!
That’s evidences!!
totally not...I can give you reasonable explanations to most of the accidents here...(exceptions are Van Den Driessche and Cancellara, and the fact that the guy from Movistar didn't want to change his bike is also strange, but all others I can give you a perfect logic explanation, just ask)
@@_clemens_ let's hear it
@@_clemens_ let's hear. I bet it's all bs.
@@_clemens_ @4:27 : take a competition bike - great opportunity for you, it will be an occasion to see one for real - and reproduce this without an engine... Yes, indeed, it's just impossible.
Amazingly the guy on the motorbike (I mean the gazoline one ;-) helps stopping the scene....the rider would still be running in circle after his e-bike.
@@_clemens_ stay off the crack dude
Não duvido de nada em relação ao dopping mecânico, mais tem ciclista que treina duro e vence na RAÇA !
I feel bad for the people not cheating. They’re basically riding motorcycles. That’s why it’s hard for me to watch this sport and others like body building etc. like it just watching steroids and motors etc it’s less interesting
Cancellara was clearly just as guilty of mech doping than everyone in this video
Ban for life. All involved in this type of cheating. Make the punishment not worth the crime!
That Wout Van Aert stuff looks pretty damning..I had NO idea!
Someone needs to put the xfiles theme song in this videos lmao
Lol, but there's nothing unexplainable to see here!
better a gangster song, too dirty cheating!
It looked like in all of the examples that the rear wheel was not behaving like a normal wheel should. It doesn't take much of an assist to get a big advantage in a race, there is the mental advantage also, if you think you will be getting a big boost you will benefit more.
Cheating should rule out for the rest of life. Maybe the only way to get rid of cheating. Some bikes should also be separated after the race at the slightest suspicion of mechanical doping!
Absolutely unbelievable that those batteries can not be found before the race.
Engineers and inventors came out of the bush!
Yes, cheating is not just a crime against the other competitors, it's a crime against the sport itself. It should lead to a lifetime racing ban and disqualification for all previous wins.
it is impossible to get rid of cheating in sport.
The name "mechanical doping" makes me laugh to no end.
What are we, cyborgs all of a sudden? LMAO.
Unneccessarily Chad asf.
1:05 What does Cancellara do with his right hand? Can it really be that obvious?
MartinPrivat He got in a special gear...😹
Wow. That's absolutely insane.
In some ways, this is even more unethical than drug/blood doping. At least the doped rider is still using his body (albeit "improved" via doping) to power the bike. The motorized rider, however, is circumventing the whole idea of athletic competition altogether :-(
Agree 100%
Cancellera had been doing this all his career long before any of this technology was even thought of.
I'd be more convinced if an also ran suddenly started doing it same as with pharmaceutical doping
Admittedly some of the clips at the end look dodgy but without the evidence of a wheel spinning out of control then I think that it's unfair to implicate an already proven winner and I'm sure that all the bikes were checked at the 2026 Rio Olympics where Cancellera won the individual time trial .
Armstrong has done it before since 1999.
Okay, so you're just going to ignore what you saw in the video?
Cancellara was so obvious. Boonen knows.
1:25 That is electric!
i'm starting to believe this is real!
Oh he "turned on...." something at 1:30!lol!
Spinning from the wheel after a crash is more common than you think. And obviously this video is pure hatred towards Fabian Cancellara. Just look at the lower body of Cancellera, especially his legs. He is a real powerhouse and a great time trialist. Boonen was already tired when they started the climb. Just showing one moment in the race without any context is literally no proof.
Thomas Velthuis spinning and getting faster after it’s left the ground are completely different things.
bruh, when you can make your wheel go from a stand still to full tilt without touching the pedals while it's resting against the ground, please show off your superhuman telekinetic abilities lmfao don't be an idiot. Cancellara may have had monster legs, but he was a cheat through and through - there's no doubt.
To all doubters: 3:50.
Spot on
Most of this can be explained by simple physics. And it's not because I'm naive, I actually thing they´re all doping (normal physiological doping). Every. single. one. in the pro peloton. But not mechanical doping.
4:12 Motocross power 🤣😂
Yes that's exactly the kind of moves you see in motocross.... woops, too much gas !
Surely the riders not using motors would know and say something. Omerta, yes, I know, but that hardly applies here. I mean an engine on a bicycle... Whatever next, a fellow in a dress and a sports bra competing in woman's sports?
At 4:20 that’s was almost a damn High Side. Er only applicable to MOTORcyclists when the rear looses traction out of a corner, and then regains grip. Most egregious
michael frassica hahaha, just said the same thing to my wife while watching the video, I said we’re basically watching motorcycle races...high-sides, wheels spinning after the bike goes down, bunch idiots!
Why I don't care about or watch pro cycling anymore.
Same here. Olympics too.
Battery power does not work with a high cadence. It will help up the hills but not on a time trial.
Incorrect. Ride an e-bike and you'll see. A low cadence just bogs down the motor.
Definitely some dodgy business going on
Last bike from Garmin team is definitly turning by itself
Cancellara with the hand of god.
I think this reflects more on the administration of these events, if you have rules fact is you have to regulate and enforce because people.......
Case proven. Guilty as charged as the batteries on those bikes.
with all the filthy money available to sportsmen/women i believe its going on in all sports
Why dont they check the bikes after the race
Trying to defend Cancellara...
Bad idea. Everybody know now that Elon Musk is Cancellara’s best friend!
Who did more watts, Cancellara at Muur in 2010 or Froome at Ventoux in 2013?
Pogacar, Tour 2024.
@@aapddd That time trial in 2020 Tour was something else
Also Cancellara in the 2016 Olympics Time Trial with the ridiculous negative split
Cycling has always been dirty - at the turn of the 20th century riders were downing alcohol and drugs. Amphetamines, developed by the Germans during WWI, found a steady supply of customers from bike racing teams. And then on to blood doping and testosterone even scarier stuff like human growth hormone (HGH). Growth hormone has been linked to cancer, and it’s almost unbelievable that Lance Armstrong used HGH after his battle with that terrible disease. But he did!
We can only conclude that bike racing will always involve cheating. As this example shows, it’s pretty easy to spot who is outperforming everyone else. Now, I am dubious about success in any sport, even geezer sports like golf and curling.
At the center of any sport is honor. But sport today has no honor. Maybe it never did. I no longer watch bicycle racing. During the TDF this year I have no idea who is leading or even competing. Instead I’m out there on my Tarmac struggling up the Bay Area hills. And I’m 69 years old.
Agreed, after I watched a video about mag sized balls in golf basketball and football it's hard to watch any of these "competition s"
I love the fact that you think Lance only used HGH *after* he got cancer and not the very strong possibility that he got cancer due to using HGH...
Makes me sick. I’m trying to not let it ruin cycling for me, but when you know what your spending your life loving, may be fake so often, makes me sick
wow some of these are cray, especially the movistar one. hesjedals bike however was cut up after the race. No motor was found.
Cancelara didn’t have a bottle in the seat-tube cage where it has to be to power a motor, so couldn’t have had a motor.
I hate to say it though, Ryder Hesidahl had one ONLY on his seat tube cage.
Still proves little about Ryder.
Does disprove a lot for Fabian though.
Keep telling yourself that, Cancellara fanboi.