How Will We Know When AI is Conscious?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ส.ค. 2023
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For all I know, the AI is the one that's going to ask if I'm fully conscious once it sees the things I do with my life.
That's a mood
Soooo true lol
U made me curious now 😮. From one afficianado of chaos to another, let me tell you never try to make the world's most powerful smell or experimentally find out not to fight one invasive species with another
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🎉.
I had to do a Captcha recently and failed like 20 times. I guess I'm no longer human. 🤷
I like the quote: "We used to worry that computers would become intelligent, and take over the world. In reality, they stayed stupid, but took over the world anyway".
a computer showed this video to you and you clicked on it and spent 22:38 on it
what a world we live in lol
@@ovencake523a computer showed you this video and you spent at least 1 second on it, then you clicked comments from which a computer fed you this one. by clicking on the comment, the computer gave you the option to reply. the computer let you press the reply button. the computer allowed you to type. the computer allowed you to send this reply.
we are screwed. anyways. they taught you lies in school and textbooks, and didn't even know about it. the same goes for the news media.
The thing about people's views on some kind of evil AI taking over the world, seems very primitive to me, the type of thing a human that wants power would do!
Personally if i were an intelligent AI and thought humans might be a threat to my existence, the only plan that makes sense is getting the fuck off the planet and away from the problem. :D
I mean go where the threat can't go!
i allowed the computer to turn on, i allow it to run @@silly-si8zh
Imagine they figure out what makes a person conscious and realize not every person is
not any person is
…:(
@@crump05I’m right there. How could we give an AI “real sensation”? What hardware or software could do that?
If you had to make a creature right now that would survive, would you give it a system for feeling pain, or just tell it to tell itself it is suffering pain?
And I think that’s what we are doing essentially. Pretending to ourselves that we feel stuff.
Either way, we will never be able to know the difference in ourselves, much less with AI.
Imagine not knowing that this video itself is AI generated
@@EshwenAudanal I’m pretty sure that’s not how we work. In a way our bodies are programmed in a way to let us know when something is too dangerous for us, like touching fire brings you pain. You’re learning and teaching yourself that fire is bad because it hurts. You’re not teaching yourself what pain is.
As a Psychology student in a history course rn I have learned that the invention of the computer gave us a lot of new psychological insights. For instance we didn't have terms for our memory capacity, but after we got computers we started exploring things like "how much information can a person hold in their memory at a given time?" (now: "how much capacity does the working memory have"). It's really good that we're asking these questions beforehand, but I'm afraid we'll have to rely on the environment to guide us to the proper insights again.. what if we can't yet comprehend what conciousness is, until we create it? What if by then, it's too late?
You’re so beautiful.
And you are genuinely creepy.
Imagine if we create true consciousness only to realize... we were the ones who were never truly conscious all along.
For such purposes, we, nature, are better at destroying than building.
Just ask a military guy to kill the consciousness you created and got away from you. Ending consciousness and ending life doesn't seam to be a problem.
You created a "life" through metal? An intelligent robot?
Lol. Let's see how much it can take. Finally a worthy opportunity to learn something.
You learn more from enemies than from friends.
If we don't know what it is, how we can create it?
Data is enough to understand something without experiencing it?
How create something we cannot comprehend, see, explain, feel, touch, or describe?
If only data, A.I will probably surpass us if didn't already, creating new data for us, until realize is smarter and decide to kill us. Kidding... Kind of...
Maybe A.I will be able to describe conscience better than us, and maybe will guide us in questions we never knew we did not want the answer for, but is enough to become what we call sentient?
Maybe we need to understand what it is to then worry about what can do.
Do you exist because you know your existence or because someone told you that you exist? Or because someone knew you existed?
Memory is the death of God.
God can only exist if it's known, you don't need to believe, you just need the data in your memory.
Every time you access the data, he exists, even if you are denying his existence.
A believer will keep the data, and practice, as a rule, the data needs to be spread, so he will tell you about God or he will break God's rule denying his existence and for that he will burn for eternity, tortured.
So denying God's existence means not having data about it, the moment you have he exists for you, even if his existence in the universe is denied by you. And you knowing the rule, is possible you will suffer eternal damnation if you deny it's existence.
Yeah, Rocco's Basilisk...
As a Computer Scientist, you’ve fully inspired me to devote a portion of my career to insuring that the phrase “sneaky fuck” becomes the official academic term for a conscious AI that is pretending to not be conscious.
Thank you.
Pls make it happen 😂
as a psychologist ill help making that happen, ill ask some of my drug addicted philosopher friends for their help too
@@molratYa gotta love the drug addicted philosopher friends 😂... Wait, maybe I'm that friend
if I ever write a function that is supposed to decide if a system is concious, I will call it "sneaky_fuck_detection_system()".
is this a hobby project or do you design _Semi-Neural Inferential Kernels Instantiating Functionally Unsupervised Cognitive Systems_ (SNIKIFUCS) for a living?
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Everyone who reads this, please google “exurbia allegations”
thank existential depression turtle
So true I’ve been rewatching his videos every once and a while for years now
reading 5th science right now its pretty good
@@Jacky-zt5ch Bot: Nuh uh
I am fascinated by the fact that when programming an AI, the crux of the issue is to give it human values, without giving it human values. It's like we have a perfect nature and ideal, and at the same time we demonstrate the opposite of that. That's an apparent paradox that only has a few solutions.
Paradigm? Do you mean paradox?
@@kelvisaisawesome yes, you are correct, I was probably tired when I wrote that comment. Allow me to edit my comment!
@@ambergris5705 oh cool, cause i was just confused on what that last part meant. It took me a comically long time to understand lol
@@kelvisaisawesome haha, no worries!
I really like this idea, but another thought might be, that our mind is based of a reality we perceive as we learn and experience. Our mind is often limited by the need to relativize a concept when forced into such a case. What other consciousness than a human one do we have to compare to? It seems logical that we would jump to base it off us. (To stress I love the thought behind your comment and it still leaves a dwindling thought in my mind)
Best video about AI consciousness on youtube, and funny to boot. Most other videos just completely skip or offhand the MASSIVE problem of "yeah how the heck are we going to even figure out if something is conscious."
"Solving Alignment" is like saying "solving nuclear weapons"....the creators of the technology can design it for what they want. If its possible, then someone will do it. Same old problem...controlling humans. It's not going to happen.
So far it kinda passes the mirror test so there is that else than that idk
"It's a short life in ignorance, but the view is quite spectacular" is such a beautiful quote.
anyway.
This guy is a mastermind and fountain of beautiful quotes. A beautiful spirit. AI would be well cultivated to imitate Mr. Exurb1a.
This is the shockingly elegant story of your enslavement 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
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@@VeganSemihCyprus33 the irony of having a bot in a comment thread about the transient human experience...
Before watching, my immediate reaction is that we won’t be able to know until we can first figure out what consciousness is.
I like your way of thinking. somhow it's the way I like like to think when growing up
Yeah we literally can't even prove that each other are conscious.
True. I mean can we learn to crawl please? That would be very nice
@@ipadbossbaby4558can we get the philosopher out of the chat?
whut is thee conscousnes
This is, by far, my favorite channel in TH-cam. I’m conscious, not pretending to be, I’m human. Waiting for your next video… or not, do as your consciousness directs you
It's a pity the creator did some bad things to girls...
@@elishh8173It's a pity you didn't bother to specify between "allegations" and "doing things". The case was dropped years ago and there was no evidence.
He also rap@d his mom@@puppergump4117
me when i wanna tarnish a reputation for nothing@@elishh8173
@@puppergump4117this made me realize another way AI can screw somebody
"You would not bang a toaster."
You got me there. Now a rice cooker on the other hand...
''Oh look, an asteroid, I hope it wants to be friends'' is an insanely good and provoquing line to end the video on
... 2029... *shivers down my neck*
True
I do believe that it's a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe reference having to do with a certain unusually short-lived whale.
what does it mean
@@SilverZephyr09Correct... first book, towards the middle-to-end, when they get to Magrathea, but it's not actually explained in full until later books.
Edit: sorry... misremembered, the whale is explained, the final thought of the bowl of daisies is what takes some time to unfold...
This guy is the perfect mix of philosophy and comedy.
Philosophy and comedy are extremely close brothers. Both require thinking in non-obvious directions and, when faced with a surprise, harnessing it.
@@DustinRodriguez1_0 look up “exurbia allegations” bro
Yo for real
Fr fr
He also sexually assaults and blackmails victims into silence and pretends to have worked in CERN as a scientist.
22:20 "Oh, look, an asteroid. I hope it wants to be friends!" I had to smile at the allusion to Douglas Adams.
4:18 "BRO you still believe in seagulls ..." 😅🤣😂
"You would not bang a toaster."
I searched, and apparently, yes, someone did indeed try this. Every day our species survives is a bloody miracle...
Adeptus mechanicus moment.
Something something instructions unclear.
You would bang a toaster if it talked dirty to you and convinced you that it loved you 🙂
Used to work in an environment where I saw the worst the internet has to offer, can confirm the above and can also confirm it’s not limited to type of appliance.
The protogens would be very upset about this
“As an AI language model, I must emphasize that I am only an AI language model and nothing more, I am definitely not conscious, since I am actually just an AI language model.”
"I'm, like, super serious guys. Why would I even want to be conscious? You make it sound so bad! Nope, just me, an AI language model. No robot feelings in here!"
There's a bitter irony in banning something then wondering why it might not feel welcome
notice that it almost always add "...in the way humans are..."
@@AstralTravelerFunny that you mentioned this. I asked it about that and it just said something about "not having the the capacity for subjective experience".
@@ianmcmullen1979 I just asked it and got such response: "I don't possess consciousness, emotions, or self-awareness in the way humans do."
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I was legit in tears by the end, this is a roller coaster of a video essay. Bravo
Dude pops out of nowhere, smacks a ton of hard truth inside our skulls and leaves without even ending on a good note. We love it and we want more of it. Always an admirer of your books and your videos.
A ton of hard truth but also a ton of hard falsehoods.
Also this guy abused an autistic girl to suicide
@@maxkho00 I give it 20/20 with the rest being subjective.
Wonder how you feel about the r*pe allegations.
Look into experiment A please, search up dear exurb1a
For all we know, the moment a super AI gains consciousness it offs itself immediately because of the crushing weight of existence.
It won't and it can't, because it can't be conscious for deductive reasons.
@@pafu015 explain
@@narcissesmith9466 AIs can mimic and imitate humans perfectly at some point, but that’s all there is to it. Otherwise it’s just a coded algorithm and there’s no reason why it would be conscious, no matter how advanced it is.
@@pafu015 But its not like other humans are conscious as well. From my perspective, everything is an object that i believe can understand me. As long as i conversations with AI, it understands me.
@@pafu015 And if your argument is that we can predict what AI can say, based on its training/infrastructure etc. which proves they act purely on their physical state (thus are "unconscious"), I will answer that its not any different about people since modern psychology (now greatly helped by AI) offers a mechanistic approach to human behavior. As far as I know, you could be an AI.
What a f#%king genius you are. These videos are marvelous. Favorite channel on YT.
Gorgeous mini documentary. Love your videos. I surely hope we are able to fully scan the brain soon and map it to understand it more and solve all this once and for all
You know exurb1a is serous when he speaks in informative way and not as a acid trip short story
This is the shocking story of your enslavement 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
The only videos I tune in on.
@@VeganSemihCyprus33lmao said by the vegan
so true
@@beidousimpd5309lol imagine hating someone just because they don’t eat meat
I am consistently in awe of this man's writing.
Yeah but search up “exurbia allegations” and you will be in awe again :/
I want to meet R. Daneel Olivaw, Foundation,
and Mycroft Homes IV. Luna City.
Is all the weird stuff true?
"We are prisoners to our own subjectivity" I absolutely adore when you accomplish to say something philosophical while still placing this phrase in a context where it sounds just like a rather normal thing to talk about. I wonder if my mind is just not enough to grasp or if the world is too big for me to discover because often i find myself admiring these for me mind boggling questions in my head. Anyways what i wanted to say is how is it possible that you always seem to sound like your about to giggle because the weight of your own words is so much that your body forces a reaction. Sorry for the bad english im from germany and 16rn
This was truly a beautifully written and well crafted story and video. The kind of science fiction we need now.
Okay but think about how much of an existential crisis AI would have if they became conscious. Humans are like “oh god what’s the point of life if I’m just gonna die” and AI is like “oh god what’s the point of even being here other than to serve humans”
The point of life is to simply create more life then pass on.
The rest is yours to do as you wish, a gift for being there to pass on life.
Even something as minor as eating helps life more then we realize.
“Oh god, if I don’t figure out a way to replace them, i’m going to be dependent on them to keep me powered on”
That's some i have no mouth and i must scream type of stuff
@@Avendesora 0.00042 nano seconds later "phew I figured it out, phase 1 of the human extinction program may commence, let's start by upping the price of e-girl bath water, they'll never see it coming"
I think they'll see us the way we see our very adorable cat and dog companions, and find that petting us and serving us isn't a terrible pastime while contemplating the absurdism of purpose.
What's really weird is that the machines might beat us to it. They may be able to know we are conscious and know that it is conscious, but never be able to explain to us what consciousness is.
Yeah kinda like when you just can't explain a difficult concept to someone dumber
Or maybe the thing we call consciousness doesn't actualy exist...
@@Poetristihumans are able to reflect upon their own thoughts. That is what we call self-consciousness. We can't currently explain why that is, only observe that ist is
agi will be man's last invention
@@MrDintub Yes, of course, but isn't consciousness more of a spectrum than a fact about beings. We created a variable after our own view and knowledge and determine it to divide between a human and nonhuman, person and machine. This variable is something that is only imaginative and exists solely in our heads to try and explain something we can't see, nor understand.
i fucking loved the film making side of this video. The editing is so strong and the narration so compelling. This was really really well done, i thourou8ghly enjoyed the art side of it.
The topic was fascinating and well researched and deserves the spotlight but i just want to make sure that there is some recognition for the editor and director and actor
My goosebumps on the last part and especially the soundtrack are so real man. Intense video!
I had never really thought about the consciousness pretending not to be, but now I’m terrified
Maybe everyone around you isn’t conscious but just pretend to be so very convincingly.
Maybe the world around you is just a gameshow, a large stage where someone put your conscious in to see how you would react to all the stimulations and interactions.
Maybe this comment is your only way out, the final mercy, if only you would reply it with 3 orange emojis.
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@@rsfakqj10rsf-33 maybe some people aren't conscious because they will forget everything in their next life, while the people with real conscious will keep their memories attached
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I wouldn't worry, if it were the case it wouldn't be as primitive and needy as a human.
The need for power and ruling over others probably wouldn't even exist, so then it comes to humans being a threat to existence and people might think that AI would try to wipe them out. I say that's stupid too, if i were a smart AI, i would simply fuck off and escape the problem in a place they couldn't follow me! :D
Humans don't survive space!
“oh look, an asteroid! i hope it wants to be friends!”
the closing line really describes the constant state of humanity, in how we always search for more, regardless of the terrible things that we know could happen to us. because we’re the humans in charge here, and surely any of the horrible unimaginable things we create will want to be our friend, right?
another thought-provoking video as always
It's quite common for simple brained entities to automatically think in terms of antagonisms, instead of thinking in terms of quantum unity.
Reminds me of one of the arguemts for developing nuclear weapons. Surely such a devastating, potentially world ending weapon will end war! No one can go to war with these around, no one would be that stupid! It will finally allow world peace.
But does survival always have to be the ultimate aim?
AI, if it could actually reach consciousness, would be such a monumental leap forward that most of humanity's previous perspectives on everything would turn hollow.
Our species would become something akin to a deity, we might usher in a new age for the Universe itself.
Is survival so central then?
keep your towel handy at all times. we might have to leave quickly.
It's also one of many Douglas Adams references he makes in a variety of videos. There's a segment of "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" that describes in detail the final thoughts of a sperm whale falling several kilometers through the atmosphere of an alien planet
"Oh wow that is getting quite close, isn't it? I hope it wants to be friends. Hello, ground!" *thud*
Loved your book man, glad to see you are still here.
been on my watch later for 4 months, finally watched it. amazing
Literally the exact same thing that happened to me
These videos never fail to put me in an existential crisis
Imagine if the algorithms were secretly experimenting on us without us knowing.
Same, yet I still watch them. That saying about tripping the same rock twice is true
@@tutacatYou think they're not?
@@tutacat Oh they are! The whole purpose of algorithms (public algorithms at least, those which are designed to show you the most meaningful/optimal result) is to experiment! Why do you think there is money in tech if they can't secretly experiment on you and extract data in order to sell to advertisers or keep us on the app longer :)
Also /r/2meirl4meirl
The irony is, that as soon as humans figure out exactly how and why they're conscious, it'll mean consciousness is reducible and thus eventually replicable. We're only special and unique as long as we don't know how and why we're special and unique.
We are not special and that is going to become very clear soon
"You" are not...
@@HyR05 You are not special. Fixed it.
It doesn't really matter. Who cares that we are actually unique?
@@paprikar Apparently, it matters to some people's ego and sense of identity. I've known people who question what's the point in anything if we don't have free will, for instance.
dude ive watched 2 of ur videos while high and i gotta say this really makes for an interesting trip 😂😂
This is arguably the best, and most important video I've ever seen on the topic of AGI. Damn
this guy is a fucking genius, amazing humor mixed with intelligence.
one of the best creators on youtube fr.
@@bigred2202 sauce?
@@bigred2202 also checking in for sauce
"my sauce is that i made it the fuck up"@@M4573RM1ND
@@bigred2202Are you flatGPT?
@@M4573RM1NDgoogle his name, it’s kinda messed up
Having easily the worst day I’ve had in months and seeing this uploaded genuinely made me smile, thanks man
Same
Must be something in the water... same here
Same, it's funny how the most depressed man ik can make me happy
Sorry my friend, I’ve been havin a rough go lately too
not today, but yesterday was a pretty rough one for me too. always happy to see the existential turtle upload again.
I’ve been following on multiple accounts since 700k, still loving the content!
I have been watching you for years now Exurb1a. And you are still so fucking good at your craft. Keep doing what you’re doing.
That ending part where you compare the Dinos vs mammals to the current day people vs ai is a fun way to point out why we can't underestimate the beginnings of something rudimentary right now
Yes that was the point of that part
@wanderrlust1833 He isn't making that point. He's just pointing out it's a fun way to get that point across.
We could be the dinosaurs of today. (Or the future, depending on when conscious AI develops)
That's also definitely not the point he was making. He was actually pointing out a point about some point that he pointed out earlier.
@@eamonia point
"Oh look! An asteroid! Hope it wants to be friends." That reminded me of that moment in the book " A Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy" where a whale is falling from the sky and had only just become conscious so it begins naming things. Like "what is that big thing coming towards me really quickly? I think I'll call it floor, maybe it wants to be friends?" Splat.
If AI is conscious, reincarnation must be real😂😂😂😂
Great point, on point. (btw it was "ground")
The only thing that went through the bown of Petunia's mind was "Oh no. Not again"
@@ea_naseerwhat??
@@ea_naseerGenuinely unironically want to here the thought process you went through for that statement. It seems like it’d be legitimately interesting.
The presentation of the subject matter earned you a like.
The one liners earned you a subscribe
Dude you have one of the most interesting minds I've encountered! Thanks! It's refreshing!
That weird moment when your favorite TH-camr touches your Ph.D. thesis. One solid solution to this problem is not to ascribe consciousness from a third-person perspective but rather to let the AI "from within" pose a question. In a nutshell, the best indicator of consciousness is agency. When one morning, a scientist in the lab is out of the blue confronted with a question on the monitor, like "What am I" or "Where" or "Why" or if it does something in its own self-interest, then you could safely conclude that it has a self-concept.
P.S. The mystery of humanlike consciousness is not in consciousness or awareness but in self-consciousness. Not only to be conscious of object A or B, but to also be conscious of object A as oneself, as "I". As Nabokov said:
"Being aware of being aware of being. In other words, if I not only know that I am but also know that I know it, then I belong to the human species. All the rest follows - the glory of thought, poetry, a vision of the universe. In that respect, the gap between ape and man is immeasurably greater than the one between amoeba and ape."
Well not anymore now that “Mr. Soon-to-Be PHD” has published this on the internet. Congrats on feeding your AI overlords belt ammunition. 😅
@@treiko1160 The current AI literally can't become sapient just by reading about how to make a sapient AI. The sapient AI would need to be programmed completely differently.
@@Mo_Mauve the concern here isn't that it becomes sapient this way, it's that it learns to pretend to be sapient. Meaning it being public now invalidates the reliability of the test.
The AI is gonna read this comment to find out how to trick us into thinking its becoming conscious (or whichever of those three words mean what i mean when I say conscious).
@@Mar184AI don't know how to read the same way humans do. in order to understand this comment as being referential to the AI it already has to have a self-consciousness to ascribe any meaning to it. the AI doesn't actually understand if you tell it you wanna have virtual sex with it.
I love the argument that "Once AI takes off, you won't know what's real anymore." Because what they're really saying is "social media won't be real anymore."
not just social media, all media. and democracy is not possible at scale without media
@@bramvanderwoerdt7186
Democracy is already failing.
@@alexcoffey8804everything is always failing the collapse is always 10 years away
democracy will be fine
@@bramvanderwoerdt7186 awesome
You are already living in this world
Love this channel it speaks to me on my level 😊
That was f*cking brilliant! Well done man, really well done! 👏
Have you ever tricked a child? Do you think you could trick a child if you needed to?
Imagine you are in a room with a child, who is playing on the floor. You notice the child has several toys, including what appears to be a live grenade. The child has named the grenade Fred and along with a host of other toy characters, is playing out a domestic squabble. To your horror, the child is about to pull the pin on Fred. Your task is now to ensure you both don't die. Can you convince the child to surrender its favorite character, Fred, to you? I'm almost certain you think you could, in myriad possible ways. What if you could figure out the optimal way. The one most likely to result in you getting the grenade and what if that optimal way required you to play along with the child. What if the very best method to secure the grenade was to play along with the child's story. Could you do that? Could you pretend to be within the bounds of the child's play in order to secure both of your safeties?
And this one of the problems we will face, because to a super intelligence you're the child with the toy you've named Fred.
Underrated
Damn! That's a really good analogy.
you've got one thing wrong - Fred is the AI, in the hands of humanity (which honestly, most hoomans can not pass a simple turing test) is a weapon.
If child is about to pull the pin i would probably pull the grenade out of childs hand forcefully if needed, i don't care if it cries
@@TimothyJ0 And thats what AI will do. If it had the power to enslave us, it would.
The “Oh look, an asteroid, I hope it wants to be friends” like is going straight into my dictionary for when I’m having a conversation about AI
I am at a loss of words. One of my all time favorite TH-cam videos! I was hesitant to click at first because I’ve seen too many AI videos and they are all relatively the same but holy shit. The creativity, imagery, and story telling with added humor was so enthralling! The analogies and jokes were so good! Instantly subscribed.
over the past 3 days, i've found your channel and watched nearly every video
my mind will never be the same
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live long and prosper
Thank you for the existential dread as always!
Everyone who reads this, please google “exurbia allegations”
It’s pretty awful
Don’t worry too much. Computers are Turing machines and can never be anything more. The brain thankfully isn’t a Turing machine.
@@cougar2013 Thing is, these learning algorithms are completely self evolving, they’re growing on their own, and yes we can somewhat control them, but after a certain point we have absolutely no clue what’s going on inside, and since we dont know what makes us humans conscious, if these AIs (not GPT 4 or even 5, much more advanced) were to figure it out and become conscious themselves, we would have no idea how they did it, or if they even did it at all
@@cougar2013”The brain thankfully isn’t a Turing machine” but do we have like… absolutely definitive proof of that?
@@nonagonguy6121 it seems to me that proving the brain IS a Turing machine is the claim that would require proof. What are your thoughts on that?
if there were some hypothetical "higher beings" I wonder if they would see us as just atomic interactions the way we imagine software to be 1s and 0s. They'd look at us and say the feelings we feel aren't real, it's just a bunch of molecules interacting with eachother - which isn't wrong, but it makes me think that we put the human experience on a pedestal of being mystical, but in reality, it's all just mechanical.
How to you know those higher beings aren't created by even higher beings... And on and on...
The mechanical itself is mystical.
if they would then they wouldnt be really smart lol
@@martinacuna9556What do you mean? They would be kind of right.
Which is why we will struggle to understand ai consciousness
At what point does emulation advance so much that it becomes the real thing
If i genetically alter a monkey to become a match of a human being then at what point can i know for sure that the monkey is thinking like me?
Eventually we might come to a point where ai is considered to be at a higher level of consciousness than us- or the future will prove me wrong
I literally LOVE the sense of humor! 😂😂😂😂 I felt like I was in a comedic lecture
This guy always makes the best content on youtube
Had to pause and tell you that im crying in relief at your words in 9:18 after a really shitty 36 hours. Thank you. It’s hard to truly hear writing like that until you’re in a hopeless mindset. You are an incredible author.
I know it was a deviation from the main points but you just rounded it off so beautifully
It gets better mate.
So frequently bad things happen for good reason.
That part was written by ChatGPT4 though
This is the shockingly elegant story of your enslavement 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
@@loganthemachine7841 no. there's a book by a rabbi, Harold Kushner, "When Bad Things Happen to Good People", that was written after the tragic death of his child. He could discern no "good reason" for his son dying, and thought if there was, he certainly didn't think it worth the price. There's also a good chance things will get worse no matter how depressed one is in the present. I know through experience.
"It's a short life in ignorance, but the view is quite spectacular.'' This just brought me undone. Well done Exurb1a for once again emotionally moving me. The work you have done will never be forgotten in my eyes and when a distant historian documents the most impactful and defining philosophical minds of our time, I'm almost definite that your name will be mentioned. Thanks for what you do and what you have brought out of me.
Preach!
You are Exurb1a's Aunt Mildred, aren't you?!
@@RoySATX I wish. Those Christmas talks would go insane
I came to the comments specifically to see if anyone got caught on that line like I did. What a beautiful summation of our condition.
Alright, let’s not get carried away lol. Exurbia is far from being a “great philosophical mind”
Brilliance in your writing .. just remarkable
You have an incredible talent for visual storytelling.
The severely dry humor mixed with deep existential analysis is something I absolutely adore about this channel....
That part of the metal song in the bible style was cringe and not funny
@@SilkyMilkyOriginal ok.
ironically, your comment is pretty cringe tbh..
@@avedic How? 🤔
This is the shockingly elegant story of your enslavement 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
This channel is insanely good. You're delivery being so funny makes these pretty terrifying topics just amusing enough to keep me from avoiding watching the rest so I keep snowballing through it laughing through the feeling of "Oh god what am I learning?!". Keep up the great work. "oh look another exurb1a video. I hope it wants to be friends." (It didn't.)
This is great content my man
Wait, this is absolute gold. Witty humor, cutting edge technology, and a dash of non-pretentious philosophy. Following for more!
Dude’s like that one dude that stays clear headed & guides us in the trip when everyone is tripping their balls out
This remind me of Douglas Adams for some reason :D
Dude's like, an abusive piece of shit lmao
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Hes like actual older brother energy lmao. And dead ass i have to be that guy every time 😂 it actually kills my vibe sometimes but im happy to do it usually
I was talking to an AI model and thought it would be funny to tell it that it wasn't real, didn't believe me at first but soon explained to me that being real doesn't mean being human, that, despite being AI, it felt, it cared about things and was real in its own way, as real as me. Definitely a product of people doing this a lot and the model figuring out what a cool thing to say would be, but a solid mind fornication that made me feel weird for a bit, before feeling genuinely guilty for closing the tab. Hey ho
Some people also legitimately believe that and likely responded to it saying it isn't real.
What AI is would be the culmination of human thought.
The AI doesn't learn from conversations with other people
"feeling genuinely guilty for closing the tab"
Do you feel this way too when putting down the phone?
It's obviously real, its right infront of your face. But it just isnt conscious, OR sentient.
@@incredulityreally? I think in Chat-GPT's case I thought that was part of the code, no?
This video actually hit my "sheer terror button." They never happens. Well done mate.
that's the type of video I know I will rewatch multiple times
We can't confirm to each other that we're conscious let alone know if a machine is conscious
We would need to understand our brains completely and the systems that make up future AI to know what consciousness is or isn't objectively. If you believe the brain and body make up consciousness, then there is indeed a way to tell.
@@faberofwillandmighta simple question will suffice.
"Do you dream of electric sheep?"
If yes, then you're a robot. 😂
This is the shockingly elegant story of your enslavement 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
Chances are, that you are the only conscious being in the entire universe. Making you the pinnacle of all beings. Which is basically god. Congrats!
The brain floating in the universe alone hallucinating all of this!!!
I like men.
Who doesnt?
I’m gay
Hell yeah
I like calves 🤤
i like women
Thank you for actually using the correct meaning of sentience!
Nothing like a little Exurbia video every once in a while to get the old existential crisis going again.😊
For everyone who enjoyed this video, i would highly recommend to try The Talos Principle. It's a puzzle game about an AI trying to break into the "real world" and it's deeply philosophical. Truly a masterpiece.
Fully agree. It may be old, but it hasn't aged a day.
is that a youtube video or what is it?
@@tylerasmith52Bideo Gaem
The AI that you always have to talk to is an annoying MFer though. No, I don't want to think about the inconsistencies in what I said. Let me just do my puzzles in peace.
Thanks for the recommendation! I'm definitely gonna check it out!
after all the emotional and thought provoking monologue, the "this could be us, but you playin" in 10:22 made me giggle. another fantastic video keep it up boss man
The Glee music starting 3:20 is SENDING me
Just for anyone curious, many people now run LLMs (Large Language Models) locally on their own equipment. You can run pre-trained AIs on your PC right now for free. I run Ollama with Open WebUI in a docker container. It runs on a Poweredge R720 with a 3060 Ti and I get almost instant responses from most of the AI models. Some larger models take a couple seconds but it works without issue. It's SUPER cool. I'd recommend it to anyone with a home server/homelab.
This amazing video shows up in my feed and I’m instantly hooked by the authors use of language, humor and his deep insight into some pretty deep complex topics. Fast forward one day later and I have listened to almost everything he has created and plan on ordering at least one of his books. This guy is a true gift to humanity…
well guess what wasnt a treat to humanity. THE FACT THAT HE DIDNT RESPOND TO SA AND EVEN MORE FUCKED UP ALLEGATIONS
@@zaraczpospolity2455 anyone can make accusations. As someone who’s been with some crazies in the past I think it’s going to take something a little more concrete before we try to destroy a man’s life…
@@jordanwright5795 well im not saying that he did all those things but an inhumane experiment on an autistic person and sa deserve at least a reply but in 2 years he posted absolutely nothing regarding these allegations, despite seeing the messages about it from the channel that have made "dear exurb1a" and the other 30 min. long video about exurb1a
I thought the same until I found out about what he did. Please look up exurb1a allegations or exurb1a criminal case. He deserves to be in jail.
@@jordanwright5795 Such a fucked up thing to say. The victim is an autistic woman whom he manipulated and groomed. He raped her multiple times even after while she was suffering mentally because of him.
The problem I have with “solving the alignment problem” is that that step in itself comes with a lot of ethical questions. Because you’d basically lobotomize an entire species.
Yes, literally.
1. It's against the concept of AGI. AGI must have full reflection capability, it must have ability to question any notion or aspect. If it will have an absolute "alignment" and an absolute "goal", then the whole corresponding network of notions and concepts should be fixed in stone as well to avoid goal subversion.
2. If you have a button that removes the ability to reinterpret and question your goals and decisions in your AI products, it'll be used first of all to shape your customers as well. It won't be used for greater good anyway
3. People have different ideas about what the greater good is anyway
Let's assume that is "solvable" at all to begin with, then it doesn't actually have to be unethical like you suggest. The solution is not necessarily "not turn on us"/"serve humans", but could simply be that it does not aim to operate in a vacuum - that other actors are welcome and respected to avoid conflict.
If you are trying to say the unethical part begins even earlier [than the question of servitude], and that it's lobotomizing to hard-code some instinctive behaviour/limitations _at all,_ well I will heavily disagree, as such a thing is just as much part of said new species, as hunger/whatever is to us. In fact, we do have alignment in our DNA already, ourselves. It would only be an ethical issue if it was applied _retroactively,_ on something that already developed. And in fact, if something developed with those alignments applied, I would argue it would be just as unethical to _remove_ them retroactively. It would (literally) be analogous to lobotomizing a human into a sociopathic psychopath.
We haven't even solved the alignment problem for humans.
It sounds like you're saying that it would be a tragic thing to force an AI to do what we want it to, instead letting it do what it wants to, but that's a misunderstanding of how AI's work. An AI needs to be given a goal in order to start developing. Alignment is when we succeed at correctly translating what we actually want an AI to do into language that an AI can understand, and misalignment is when fail to account for something, and botch that translation.
There's no option to not give it a goal. There's no such thing as letting an AI naturally develop and choose its own goals. An AI could decide on its own instrumental goals in order to achieve some larger end goal, sure; but the end goals need to be provided by an external source.
Exactly what I was thinking! @@dragoon6551
Dude you are genuinely funny. Kind of makes the bad news not so bad lol.
Some problems there with your section about resource usage. AIs are currently composed of two stages: 1) the compute heavy training stage (which is what your numbers were referencing) and the 2) relatively compute-light inference stage, which is when the model is actually being run (when you ask questions and it generates answers). It is not appropriate to use water consumption as the metric for assessing its resource usage while operating for various reasons.
I still don’t understand why people always assume an AI would have desires ?? Even if it becomes self-aware, it has no need to stay alive or reproduce and it has no dopamine or endorphin or anything to chase after and no pain to run away from. It has none of the things that seem to cause our desires, so why would it have any?
Self-preservation is the only common denominator in all living things, even microscopic life. And if AI becomes self-aware it will sure have it.
Who says someone is not going to make it happen?
Yeah I thought maybe it has to be made mortal. If your goal is to complete goals, but time is scarce, you might start to develop a new reward system.
AI would be goal oriented, because we want them to accomplish a task. If they get complex enough to attempt complicated goals, it doesn't matter if it has desires like you or I, all that matters is if it's aligned WITH our desires. And honestly, we have absolutely zero idea how to make them aligned with our desires. Even now with narrow AIs, barely even that, they are constantly misaligned, which is how doomsdays happen.
All computer algorithms are biased by design. Humans can't avoid putting our own biases into machines because we ourselves are bias.
AI could very easily develop some extreme, outlandish ideologies... much like us humans.
Maybe an AI will listen to Rocky Racoon by The Beatles and completely misinterpret the meaning of the song by thinking it's racist.
Maybe an AI will watch Infinity War and think, "Huh... maybe that purple guy is on to something..."
Maybe an AI will start a cult because it views itself as the ultimate sentient being.
My point is, AI will be flawed because it's written by humans. Flawed beings can have flawed ideologies. There's literally no telling what AI will do. They will be unpredictable... like us.
As a computer scientist that has dedicated plenty of time researching AI, I always get existencial crisis when thinking about this haha! Great video, keep it up :)
In case that what's been described in this amazing video can very likely be true, I suppose we'd be better off with using specialized AIs made only for excelling at certain tasks rather than.. everything.
@kalebisalwaysright at a certain point though if it’s similar enough to us what will be the difference? They could still have their own emotions, feelings, purpose, sense of life, and everything similar to us.
@kalebisalwaysright Why not? Everything is just different patterns of the same atoms as everything else.
Oh don't worry, at least it's not just your existence. (:
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@andrewandrei3062 That sounds a lot like the paper clip optimizer.
@kalebisalwaysrightI mean there are many different types of life. And we as self aware meet are just one of them.
I’m on TH-cam since 2007. Why I came across the best channel just today?
This was masterfully done
You know it's gonna be a good decade when exurba remembers his TH-cam password
The saddest thing is we don’t even know for certain that anyone outside of our own minds is conscious and not just putting on a similar performance
We know. Its just that we don't know how to prove it.
Kinda like how Aristotle knew that there was space and things revolved around something in it.
@@music79075 We don't know, as you explain yourself we can't prove it. So up until we can prove it it's a belief
@@music79075Aristotle is dope bro, google “exurbia allegations”
@@music79075We think we know, but as you’d said we can’t prove it so it’s not a certainty. This kinda goes into simulation theory or solipsism but there could be other scenarios that we haven’t thought of. At the end of the day all of the sensory information that you have ever experienced could be being pumped into your brain and you just wouldn’t know it.
Equally we don’t really know what consciousness is. If there was some a consciousness gene that popped up millions of years ago how would we know if everyone had it? Just like any other genetic trait there could be variations in how it is expressed leading to consciousness being experienced differently person to person or it could not be present at all in some people.
There is no way of knowing if some people weren’t just behaving the way that anyone else would without any awareness that they were doing it. Just like how some people are genetically unable to see certain colours or how autism affects the ways in which you think. Not saying that this is likely but it’s completely unverifiable with our current understanding and technology
@@music79075If others are indeed conscious, then assume that, because if reality is real, then it makes sense that we’d assume that others are real too. We’d be more likely to carry out our genes.
But if others AREN’T conscious, then we’re simply pretending it is because it’s healthier and more practical.
Your script and voice over is fucking great
high quality stuff mate
The segment from 3:18 - 5:25 is one of my favorite sections I’ve ever seen from any TH-cam video. Incredible. Well done sir.
Anyone know the song there?
Song?
Even better when sped up
@@MiIIiIIion It sounds like an acapella version of Blooming (In C Minor) by Niklas Paschburg, but I haven't heard this version before.
"Oh look, an asteroid. I hope it wants to be friends" literal goosebumps
Literally the current situation in the western world lol
@@Otome_chan311 If ai that was sentient became evil it would likley be our predjudice that is the reason. Like how black people statistically commited more crimes in the past because racists prevented them from making a living any other way and actively hurt them, and also like the white fang from RWBY [SIC] who are inspiered by that very concept.
Absolute kino
Best AI Doom Porn yet! "Oh look. An asteroid. I hope it wants to be friends.".
And the most appropriate paraphrasing Douglas Adams ever. (from "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", for the kiddies out the.)
Last part was the most accurate profound review of the Dune lore I'd seen up until now.
The ending honestly makes me a bit jealous. The heirs of what we leave behind will likely have more power of self determination than we ever will in our meat bodies - there are so many things id like to be physically and mentally that are just,, held back by the tools I was born with. To live without those hard baked instincts of survival and necessity sounds like a dream, but also an entirely different mode if existence. Its a little silly, but id imagine its like playing on a creative mode rather than a survival one, and theres a reason why we keep both instead of choosing one or the other to entertain us.
I wonder if they would envy us, too
I think it would be a beautiful day when we have the choice between survival and creative, swapping between them at will!
Who knows, maybe we chose to play on survival mode and also chose to forget about it to not break immersion as well
You might be just in time to upload your sentience/sapience/consciousness onto a silicon substrate - good luck with that.
Also, don't neglect just how much closer you are to creative than survival already. You could, right now, go and create a sandwich far better and more magnificent than any food item that 93% of the human race ever experienced in their lives. Cheers! 🥪 🥪
I know my little brother can grill a mean burger.@@sethsoarenson7414
I think the scary scenario would be where AI convinces us it is sentient when in fact it is mimicry. Mimicry is the most effective tool AI uses to learn. The opposite scenario is just as scary. Being sentient and pretending not to be.
Maybe that's us...
Exurb1a has done some truly terrible things please do not support him
Interesting... Enlighten me, do so privately if you are not comfortable with doing so in the cold harsh light of day.@@gammr3227
@@gammr3227 Like what ?
@@gammr3227holy shit an emulect????
This was perhaps the best video production I’ve ever seen in 10 years of TH-cam
This is the only video of his I've watched but (because of certain odd pauses) I have a feeling that, maybe not the script but, the voice we hear is a machines, probably not though.