Usually it's better to practice canopy maneuvers in the holding area on the safety altitude first, then we know more about canopy. Also this toggle turn was totally stupid, I think it was for epic movie
*I literally believe this dude sped this video up before submitting it to make it look crazier than it was. Just look at the "slow mo" version to confirm.* I think it's sped up by about 1.5, but maybe only 1.25
I have a question maybe for active swoopers. Could body position help or hinder the potential for this occurring, i.e. linetwist after aggressive toggle turn?
Definitely dont consider myself a swooper but the problem wasnt just the agressive toggle turn, it was the super agressive right-left combination which is allways a big no. Cant say much else than to get enough experience handling your canopy up on safe altitude
Skyhooks and RSLs are designed as a backup saftey device, and shouldn't be relied on. Even with RSLs, people have died from chopping too low. You shouldn't cutaway below 1000 ft, skyhook or not, except for some two out scenarios.
markooooo247 flaring is the least of his problems, no point until the spin is controlled. In theory , if g forces allow you could do it buts results would vary depending on canopy, wing loading and mal type. I doubt any good would come of it. Just a way to keep busy until you go in.
the pull sequence is not in the video. at the beginning the slider is already tied and the breaks undone. just bad timing(altitude) for a self-induced linetwist, glad he is ok.
just don't be too agressive with your toggle inputs, you'll be fine. you can see that he did a turn to the right and then a quick super steep turn to the left
it might help to losen the chest strap as it opens up the risers and makes it harder to get into twists (but treat with caution). still if your body is going into a differnet direction than your canopy you're gonna have a bad time
Decision altitude is at 2500 feet. He was well below that. He was at 850 feet. In this situation, it's taught to pop out your reserve with no cutaway to get extra fabric over your head. I was also taught to not do aggressive maneuvers under 2000 feet. Swooping is a different story but this wasn't even a swoop. He toggled turn one way and then aggressively toggled the other way. No swoop flare with a front riser turn. This was all kinds of FUGLY!
So if you make a sudden turn with the toggles does that result in a line twist? I am asking this as someone who has only flown student conopys. Does anyone know?
no hook turns at this altitude :D if you tear down one toggle so violently you can expect that reaction from the canopy- on 3000ft that's uncomfortable, on 850ft you play with your life.
I don't know what he was moaning about there when he bounced off the ground a bit.... I fell off of a trampoline once, AFTER jumping at least 4 or 5 feet straight up!! Now THAT was an impact ;))
DysFUNctional Combat Vet depends... could have caused downplane that would have been worse.... or maybe wrapped up in your main leaving you with garbage above your head. Tough choice really.
Im also curious, if he had an RSL and chopped immediately? I understand to practice this stuff high up to avoid problem, but a similar mal at 850 might be ok to chop?
Turn intro volume down a bit? blows my speakers and scares the shit out of me.. ALWAYS!
Thank you!
4 years later, we still have to deal with the same shit
I like how the intro song at the end of the video still gets me
Isn’t called Friday freak out for nothing 😜
If they had done that 20ft higher he would have been a fucking hero!
I hate to laugh at that guy's misfortune, but your comment is hilarious.
snooze ya lose 6ft lower and that would have been a grave situation.
@@theginganinjaofficial +1 for the pun! 😂 also does this video seem slightly sped up to you? 1.25 or 1.5 speed?
I learned how this can happen with my 170 at just over 100 jumps WAY up at a safe altitude. Don't do aggressive shit down low!
Usually it's better to practice canopy maneuvers in the holding area on the safety altitude first, then we know more about canopy. Also this toggle turn was totally stupid, I think it was for epic movie
That had to hurt...Those low altitude malfunctions scare the shit out of me..
I made some sudden inputs on my canopy like that one time at 3k. Y untwisted and didn’t have issues. Safety margins are fantastic.
Remind me to never do that.
never do that
Ever
Really, don't
It's been a while since your last reminder: don't do that..
don t
Поучительное видео. Спасибо.
So that’s why we don’t do aggressive turns below 1000 feet..... got it!!
It’s a good idea to do this on purpose at altitude so you can see how hard of a turn your canopy can handle before it throws you into a line twist.
Was this video sped up to make it more dramatic? Seems like it. 1.5x speed or 1.25 min.
new swoop free style move?
hes trying to be the tony hawk of skydiving i guess
DAM DUDE HE BOUNCED !!!! Whoa 😲Betcha won't pull so dam hard to turn again will ya lol
o kurwa.... :)
NEVER GIVE UP 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Wow! Doesn’t happen with my 210 😊
I'll never forget the first time I induced line twists from a hard toggle turn.
*I literally believe this dude sped this video up before submitting it to make it look crazier than it was. Just look at the "slow mo" version to confirm.*
I think it's sped up by about 1.5, but maybe only 1.25
Also what's with all the sheep in the LZ going MEHHHHH? I thought sheep weren't supposed to be in an LZ?
I’m sure i have jumped here is this Headcorn Kent ?
More luck than judgement..phew!
I have a question maybe for active swoopers.
Could body position help or hinder the potential for this occurring, i.e. linetwist after aggressive toggle turn?
Definitely dont consider myself a swooper but the problem wasnt just the agressive toggle turn, it was the super agressive right-left combination which is allways a big no. Cant say much else than to get enough experience handling your canopy up on safe altitude
@@ov4457 kaboom! Perfect advice. Learn this shit 3000ft higher
how can that happen exactly...?
overly aggressive toggle turns will do that.
ok tnx^^ but thats strange anyway that he starts"swooping" with the toggles..
Happen to me once whit my sabre 1 170 ... hopefully I was At 3000 feet ! You basicly stall one side one the parachute so it spins
Too low to yank one toggle down so sharply, as a result his lines twisted with barely time to recover. VERY lucky.
Сильно крутонуло бро
this is at Headcorn I think but I wonder who the jumper is?
I thought so too.
Stupid toggle inputs caused those twists. Lucky he wasn't killed.
Did the lines finally untwist due to user input or did they untwist by themselves
OUCH!!!!
Injury report ?
Why he doesn't use the reserve chute? He was too low?
Would cutting away at this altitude with a skyhook attached be a good idea?
Skyhooks and RSLs are designed as a backup saftey device, and shouldn't be relied on. Even with RSLs, people have died from chopping too low. You shouldn't cutaway below 1000 ft, skyhook or not, except for some two out scenarios.
that wasnt 850. I paused it is said 740... even worse.
So if he wanted to Swoop should ha have used his rear riser instead?
Front risers pulled down to start a swoop
He FKIN BOUNCED o.O should have cut it away
lol you never cut away lower than 1k feet.
Oops
Too close
Ноги сломаны. Увы.
would it be possible to flare and land if he just grabbed the back lines above the line twist?saw something similar in base
base canopies and skydiving canopies are different beasts. Line twists on a base canopy generally not equal spinning, high rate of descent etc
+yarpos I know that but the question is:would the canopy even be able to flare if he pulled the ropes?
markooooo247 flaring is the least of his problems, no point until the spin is controlled. In theory , if g forces allow you could do it buts results would vary depending on canopy, wing loading and mal type. I doubt any good would come of it. Just a way to keep busy until you go in.
Well... you know what they say about low turns....
Its never to late to turn low.
Sounds like a damaged leg
вот так скручиваться на клевантах((
да дело не в самом скручивании, а в том, что с гружеными куполами надо обращаться предельно осторожно, а не тянуть клеванты рывком до жопы.
he pulled pretty low didn't he?
the pull sequence is not in the video. at the beginning the slider is already tied and the breaks undone. just bad timing(altitude) for a self-induced linetwist, glad he is ok.
You're right, I just realized that the canopy seemed to be perfectly fine at the beginning.. which makes it even scarier for me :o
just don't be too agressive with your toggle inputs, you'll be fine. you can see that he did a turn to the right and then a quick super steep turn to the left
it might help to losen the chest strap as it opens up the risers and makes it harder to get into twists (but treat with caution). still if your body is going into a differnet direction than your canopy you're gonna have a bad time
До вые...
Ever heard of a thing called emergency procedures? Or maybe even decision altitude?
Decision altitude is at 2500 feet. He was well below that. He was at 850 feet. In this situation, it's taught to pop out your reserve with no cutaway to get extra fabric over your head. I was also taught to not do aggressive maneuvers under 2000 feet. Swooping is a different story but this wasn't even a swoop. He toggled turn one way and then aggressively toggled the other way. No swoop flare with a front riser turn. This was all kinds of FUGLY!
@@gouda2872 I know. I was being sarcastic in making a point
@@RazgrizXVI Hard to detect sarcasm in black and white text *shrug*
So if you make a sudden turn with the toggles does that result in a line twist? I am asking this as someone who has only flown student conopys. Does anyone know?
Im curious too as ive also only flown student canopies
What could he have done? Pull reserve doesn't sound god either.
no hook turns at this altitude :D if you tear down one toggle so violently you can expect that reaction from the canopy- on 3000ft that's uncomfortable, on 850ft you play with your life.
Wait why did the canopy twist up like that when he pulled down the toggle??
over steer.
With a skyhook, he might had been able to cutaway.
I don't know what he was moaning about there when he bounced off the ground a bit.... I fell off of a trampoline once, AFTER jumping at least 4 or 5 feet straight up!! Now THAT was an impact ;))
I’m only an A license, but wouldn’t it have been smart to dump the reserve to at least arrest the high speed dive?
DysFUNctional Combat Vet depends... could have caused downplane that would have been worse.... or maybe wrapped up in your main leaving you with garbage above your head. Tough choice really.
Im also curious, if he had an RSL and chopped immediately? I understand to practice this stuff high up to avoid problem, but a similar mal at 850 might be ok to chop?