Thank you bro, when you tell me his early on beats were all wack and his music was "boring", my mind heads directly to "Chaining day", especially how raw that hook is with that bridge 🔥🔥✊🏾 Yo I trust yo ears, can you please check out my project on my channel in playlists called "FINE$$A WILLIAM$ - BODIED" I usually like letting people be surprised when they hear it, but I got Benny the butcher on there as well... 💪🏾Let me know what you think, it's all executive produced by me
@@coolboyfire5279 yeah, 'cause after a while it's like, i can hear this same stuff from other artists, why would i listen to more of the same from a new artist?
everyones favorite song from that album lol why? because it was a fresh idea that no one had spoke about yet, at least not openly on wax like cole did lol but he was literally speaking through my experiences as well personally i like his newer stuff better. crooked smile and workout was fire but pride is the devil is one of my favorites from him@@rREC
I’m not gonna lie, I disagree with you about the Sideline story. You make out to be a 4 bar loop but the piano pattern changes pretty regularly and the bass line is actually pretty dope (especially the bass like scaling down to the chorus) the drums have more to be desired but the overall beat for the song is what it needs
I understand this guy train of thought because Cole's overall production has gotten better & improved but the Sideline Story joint vs Hello is a weird comparison. Sideline Story is a much better song both lyrically & beat wise
@@thearkhightekhello doesn’t do any justice in comparison wise. Sideline story is a awesome beat. Hello is actually weird af if u ask me. Too many experiments that just doesn’t hit.
I agree about his debut album being off the mark for him. But he found his footing on Born Sinner and completely put it together by FHD. That being said...Bruh, what??? Sideline Story was a perfect song and probably the best one on that album
I feel like if you like Coles older ALBUMs you are also partly a fan of the generation it came in. That particular sound I personally loved Born sinner I feel like that one is where we could actually hear some of his greater qualities be show cased in the commercial realm
Cole has definitely improved a lot over the years. As far as production & rapping meshing together, The Off-Season is the perfect blend. He finally leaned into what made him popular in the first place with soul samples but also made sure to have the right trap drum grooves behind them to make his most accessible & fun listen yet
This is just confirmation bias. That sideline story beat sounds perfectly solid and there are plenty of beats that are way more simple and “straightforward” than that. Youve made beats that are just as simple as that😭 the bassline is pretty good too
Sideline story is by far my most favorite J Cole song. Simple beat maybe but his words give me chills til this day, and you can feel the emotion coming out of every word said. The talent this dude has is insane because listening to it I never really thought about how simple the beat is.
That was my issue with his first 2 albums frfr. His production was pretty bland and safe. Especially coming from Friday Night Lights which is in his top 3 craziest projects imo. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that
@@NavieDI love you navie!! I will join your course soon I've made my first album it will soon come out and I want to improve my production for the stuff i'll put on next
I loved Born Sinner. That’s my favorite album from Cole. Not sure if you’d heard both Truly Yours EP’s, you should give them a listen. Along with tracks like the cure and grew up fast. All love
I've been a fan of Cole's work since his earlier mixtape days (i.e Friday Night Lights). That said, I would be lying if I said he hasn't improved over time. He's gone from a promising up and coming artist with occasional misses to a solidified goat of his time in the span of a decade
A lot of story telling rappers like Cole, Eminem, Kendrick, etc use low key “boring beats” so you pay more attention to the lyrics and story rather than the beat. The opposite is true when you want to make a club record/radio hit. Banging beat with a catchy hook. It’s a choice and I think some do it intentionally
Good breakdown of J Cole's work. And yes, I agree about the last point, I had the same thing when I stopped worrying about what people would think about my music, I had a breakthrough, I started to create in the flow and a lot of new experimental ideas came to me🤗
~ Even tho, I can agree with most of the songs you mentioned, I can't agree with the beat of Sideline Story. He replayed the piano and used the guitar riff from a sample ( Rhythm - The World is a place) and yeah, the drums are pretty straight forward but it perfectly fits J.Cole's flow. My 2nd favorite song from him, the first is 4 your eyez only. But it's the beauty of making beats, we can't agree all the time as producers and I respect your opinion on the subject of this matter but still. Great beat imo ~ 🙏🏽🙏🏽
I definitely think he got better over time. And I think that’s most of what you’re talking about in this video. It’s just overall progression on his part and subjectivity on the listener’s part.
I love your videos. Best producer showcasing their talent on TH-cam imo. I know you’ve touched on it in other videos with songs like Pump It Up but I would love to see a video that goes more in depth on songs with odd time signatures like that. Or just unorthodox sample beats in general. And more Madlib/Alchemist stuff!
i feel like that first beat you made of his that you played on fl studio @1.55 was honestly dope af i wish you kept vibing with it and this video was about how nice that beat was. Love the content tho but that beat was remade really well. I wish i coule make a bassline that sounds like that!
Honestly maybe it’s the nostalgia but his first two albums weren’t that bad to me. But dear god that 3rd one ? Yea 2014 forest hills drive is easily my favorite album of all time. Right next to graduation
I heard work out recently and was legit shocked to learn it was a j cole song. Used to hear it on the radio all the time but I never would have made the connection knowing j now
Regardless how you see it, the entire objective of music is to make you feel something. Straight forward beats are literally the pinnacle of rap music, as the music is generally easily digested. What musician doesn't want the world to hear what they make? And when it comes to hello and sideline story, sideline story is the better song. At the end of the day vocals, soul and story make the music a package. Doesn't matter how complex or how simple.
EH sideline story sounded better than hello. I get the comparison but it missed the mark because each had the opposite effect that you were trying to demonstrate. At least to me, the he landed correctly and was matched well with the conservative song and missed the mark ith the risky one but he was def mismatched and Workout and matched well witrh tale of two cities
so he went from solid nice sounding beats to .... eh....we used to chill at a friends place and while we smoke and drink he be on the headphones making beats on FL and then after a while he was done and he put it on speakers and it was the most dysphoric pots and pans shit ever.. and we just try to hold in our laugh cause he had passion. Maybe my friend was a visionary... or a J cole producer...
it really isn't so much the beat in the case of j cole as it is his chorus and verses that go along with it. the beat may give him an idea of what subject matter to write about but we also overlook intangible things such as the environment that he is in at the time of hearing that could have influenced him to take it a certain direction. As well as other collaborators on the musical ideas. Personally I think he has gotten better along with the production that goes into his music. I do know he produces quite a bit but he isn't the only one. A common theme in catchy music is having a team behind the creation as the catchier it is to 10 people the more chances it has to be well received versus just one person thinking its hot.
Difference between him and other is he made it pretty much without jay cosigning on his songs like wayne did with drake for many records, he still made it through🔊🔊🔊
Usually I would agree with what you say in the majority of your videos but as a massive Cole fan I think his early production matched his style pretty well although it obviously wasn't as good
Fl is an extremely powerful daw people keep saying stuff like this downplaying the capabilities of it. It’s not about what you use honestly it’s about the person’s skills.
Hi, Navie. Big fan of your vids. Always be waiting for Tuesday. Btw I wanna ask for your opinion. What do you think about Kendrick Lamar's Rich Spirit? I find the beat very unique & catchy in a way but I can't really put it into words. Thanks in advance!
I dunno that first beat was like perfect imo , not too much & not too little. Just the right amount of everything. There could be some more unique sounds in it but it might change the entire feeling
Not enough people were listening to J Cole until Wet Dreamz. The real fans know him since Dreams. Sideline Story beat is better than Hello. Hello just has more energy due to the drum pacing. This sounds like you wanted him to be 1 dimensional. Forest Hill is #1 but Sideline Story is #2 or 3.
I don't think every well produced album needs to bring something new to the table Illmatic by nas is a great example The sample are pretty straight forward looped and the drums are not very special but the production was made near to prefection.
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I'm not gonna lie, I actually liked those "straight forward beats"
#yystle 🎉
same
Fr sideline story is one of my favorite songs by cole
I like his early beats. They don’t distract you from his lyrics which is the main reason I started listening to him.
J.Cole had some great beats on his early albums. Chaining Day is one of my favourite beats ever
Thank you bro, when you tell me his early on beats were all wack and his music was "boring", my mind heads directly to "Chaining day", especially how raw that hook is with that bridge 🔥🔥✊🏾
Yo I trust yo ears, can you please check out my project on my channel in playlists called "FINE$$A WILLIAM$ - BODIED"
I usually like letting people be surprised when they hear it, but I got Benny the butcher on there as well... 💪🏾Let me know what you think, it's all executive produced by me
Amazing beat!🙌🏾
villuminati is gas
Just because more instruments are added or risk are taken on a track doesn't mean it's better than the simple ones
Not taking risks can make music stale
@@coolboyfire5279 Yes but not always. Some music doesn't require risk taking. If it works, it works.
@@coolboyfire5279 yeah, 'cause after a while it's like, i can hear this same stuff from other artists, why would i listen to more of the same from a new artist?
J.Cole is a definition of an artist. Not many nowadays can compare to him.
Many in what? Mainstream?
@@wm1573lol
kanye
@@CoolidgeBEAR overrated
Like forreal he is
J. Cole also finds really incredible samples. Forest Hill Drive is one of my favourites from him for that reason 😎👍🏼
Fav song off the album?
@@NavieDWet Dreamz lowkey
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everyones favorite song from that album lol why? because it was a fresh idea that no one had spoke about yet, at least not openly on wax like cole did lol but he was literally speaking through my experiences as well personally i like his newer stuff better. crooked smile and workout was fire but pride is the devil is one of my favorites from him@@rREC
@@NavieDst. Tropez is a sleeper
Fans we’re extremely happy with his early music
His mixtapes or his commercial releases? I mention how fans liked his mixtapes, but not his actual albums initially
@@NavieD ALBUMS
I actually liked both still do. Them Any Given Sunday tapes were fire too. 😊
Mixtapes? Yea. Albums not so much. And neither was he
@@Scars_on_my_nosealbums were awful until 2014
I’m not gonna lie, I disagree with you about the Sideline story. You make out to be a 4 bar loop but the piano pattern changes pretty regularly and the bass line is actually pretty dope (especially the bass like scaling down to the chorus) the drums have more to be desired but the overall beat for the song is what it needs
I understand this guy train of thought because Cole's overall production has gotten better & improved but the Sideline Story joint vs Hello is a weird comparison. Sideline Story is a much better song both lyrically & beat wise
Was thinking the same thing
@@thearkhightekhello doesn’t do any justice in comparison wise. Sideline story is a awesome beat. Hello is actually weird af if u ask me. Too many experiments that just doesn’t hit.
Tale of two cities sample is legendary and it being fl keys is crazy and really shows that you don’t need all this crazy shxt to make bangers
Not gonna lie sideline story is one of my favourite songs from the album. It might be straightforward and uncomplicated but it still works
I agree about his debut album being off the mark for him. But he found his footing on Born Sinner and completely put it together by FHD. That being said...Bruh, what??? Sideline Story was a perfect song and probably the best one on that album
He’s definitely gotten better over time
I still like the beats on Born Sinner. It’s like trying to target maximalist production but missing the mark.
And that’s what I like
I feel like if you like Coles older ALBUMs you are also partly a fan of the generation it came in. That particular sound I personally loved Born sinner I feel like that one is where we could actually hear some of his greater qualities be show cased in the commercial realm
Cole has definitely improved a lot over the years. As far as production & rapping meshing together, The Off-Season is the perfect blend. He finally leaned into what made him popular in the first place with soul samples but also made sure to have the right trap drum grooves behind them to make his most accessible & fun listen yet
This is just confirmation bias. That sideline story beat sounds perfectly solid and there are plenty of beats that are way more simple and “straightforward” than that. Youve made beats that are just as simple as that😭 the bassline is pretty good too
In the morning is his best beat. That beat is so damn complex and amazing
Sideline story is by far my most favorite J Cole song. Simple beat maybe but his words give me chills til this day, and you can feel the emotion coming out of every word said. The talent this dude has is insane because listening to it I never really thought about how simple the beat is.
Bro you are like the hip hop / beatmaking professor thank you so much for these videos! You should have a PHD in this stuff
I deadass loved his early body of work.
Cole is my favorite rapper. He has excellent songs on all of his albums, but his beat decisions can certainly be questionable at times
He your favorite rapper? I remember talking to him on forum in 2003.
Nah sideline story is way better than hello. Sometimes simpler is better.
That was my issue with his first 2 albums frfr. His production was pretty bland and safe. Especially coming from Friday Night Lights which is in his top 3 craziest projects imo. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that
Keejay! I hope you have your assignment ready young one
@@NavieD Naaaavvvv. I got you this time. I should be on the stream too because I'm working Sundays now and can listen while I work
@@NavieDI love you navie!! I will join your course soon I've made my first album it will soon come out and I want to improve my production for the stuff i'll put on next
I loved Born Sinner. That’s my favorite album from Cole. Not sure if you’d heard both Truly Yours EP’s, you should give them a listen. Along with tracks like the cure and grew up fast. All love
Sideline story been my ringtone to this day
Sideline Story is my favorite Cole album.
Forest Hills Drive is phenomenal but the Warm Up is a classic
Sideline story is one of my fav songs because of how simple and intricate it is. Everything fits perfectly in the pocket. Especially when he comes in
hey navie, can i get a tutorial on how to get larger biceps? and some more Madlib videos:)
eat more sour cream. that's all i do
Runaway off of Born Sinner is a beautiful beat
Leave it up to people other than the artist to determine what their true sound is.
I've been a fan of Cole's work since his earlier mixtape days (i.e Friday Night Lights). That said, I would be lying if I said he hasn't improved over time. He's gone from a promising up and coming artist with occasional misses to a solidified goat of his time in the span of a decade
A lot of story telling rappers like Cole, Eminem, Kendrick, etc use low key “boring beats” so you pay more attention to the lyrics and story rather than the beat. The opposite is true when you want to make a club record/radio hit. Banging beat with a catchy hook. It’s a choice and I think some do it intentionally
nah kendrick beats are far from boring like em or early cole
I disagree, respectfully. Kanye West’s stuff for himself and to her artists like Common were far from boring
Good breakdown of J Cole's work. And yes, I agree about the last point, I had the same thing when I stopped worrying about what people would think about my music, I had a breakthrough, I started to create in the flow and a lot of new experimental ideas came to me🤗
Honestly born sinner is my favorite j cole album but 2014 forest hills is alot more popular (doesnt mean its bad cause i love it too)
Yo, just wanna send some love. Watched about 10 of your videos yesterday....couldn`t stop, too interesting.
~ Even tho, I can agree with most of the songs you mentioned, I can't agree with the beat of Sideline Story. He replayed the piano and used the guitar riff from a sample ( Rhythm - The World is a place) and yeah, the drums are pretty straight forward but it perfectly fits J.Cole's flow. My 2nd favorite song from him, the first is 4 your eyez only. But it's the beauty of making beats, we can't agree all the time as producers and I respect your opinion on the subject of this matter but still. Great beat imo ~ 🙏🏽🙏🏽
I definitely think he got better over time. And I think that’s most of what you’re talking about in this video. It’s just overall progression on his part and subjectivity on the listener’s part.
I respectfully disagree. I love everything cole is putting out there and infact, I encourage it
I love your videos. Best producer showcasing their talent on TH-cam imo. I know you’ve touched on it in other videos with songs like Pump It Up but I would love to see a video that goes more in depth on songs with odd time signatures like that. Or just unorthodox sample beats in general. And more Madlib/Alchemist stuff!
You trippin the sideline story beat is fire
I love j Cole’s earlier music specifically born sinner and the sideline
Do you think you can do a video about drumless samples in hip hop (Earl Sweatshirt,The Alchemist, MIKE, Navy Blue, etc.)
Thank you for doing 4 arrows in the bullseye, I woulda went crazy if it was 3🙏🏽
another great video. thank you, Karim Benzema!
Funny guy! You better have your assignment ready mr crab
ofc I will, haven't missed a single one since joining 👼
i feel like that first beat you made of his that you played on fl studio @1.55 was honestly dope af i wish you kept vibing with it and this video was about how nice that beat was. Love the content tho but that beat was remade really well. I wish i coule make a bassline that sounds like that!
Cole made music for niggas that was just tryna be themselves, the critics just couldn’t see the vision
Honestly maybe it’s the nostalgia but his first two albums weren’t that bad to me. But dear god that 3rd one ? Yea 2014 forest hills drive is easily my favorite album of all time. Right next to graduation
Great type of content
good take man. Cole's standout beat to me is always gonna be "throw it up"
I heard work out recently and was legit shocked to learn it was a j cole song. Used to hear it on the radio all the time but I never would have made the connection knowing j now
Would you ever be willing to do an analysis on Earl Sweatshirt? Either IDLSIDGO or Some Rap Songs?
Good points here man👏🏾 forest Hills was the first time I was like oh shx Cole in his mode here
Regardless how you see it, the entire objective of music is to make you feel something. Straight forward beats are literally the pinnacle of rap music, as the music is generally easily digested. What musician doesn't want the world to hear what they make? And when it comes to hello and sideline story, sideline story is the better song. At the end of the day vocals, soul and story make the music a package. Doesn't matter how complex or how simple.
I like that beat
The off-season is actually his best album and one of the best albums of all time in the rap history
That’s sideline story beat is pretty good. Average wise on the complexity side. Hello isnt more complex if you ask me lol
The beat of sideline story is way better than hello imo
He has gotten better overtime i love the beat he made on RNP by Cordae
Those boring beats started with 4 Your Eyez only because he wanted to do everything himself.
Honestly his best album production wise was 2014 forrest hill drive the albums that came after that just wasnt hitting beats wise for me
Born Sinner I believe?
4 Your Eyes Only has amazing production what
Another great upload.
another great comment :)
Huge fan
EH sideline story sounded better than hello. I get the comparison but it missed the mark because each had the opposite effect that you were trying to demonstrate. At least to me, the he landed correctly and was matched well with the conservative song and missed the mark ith the risky one but he was def mismatched and Workout and matched well witrh tale of two cities
I love Cole world and born sinner lol
Yeaf dont know what he’s saying
Did not know that Karim Benzema was making beat tutorials.
I knew it wasn't just me😂
rip jcole so sad
u mean
so he went from solid nice sounding beats to .... eh....we used to chill at a friends place and while we smoke and drink he be on the headphones making beats on FL and then after a while he was done and he put it on speakers and it was the most dysphoric pots and pans shit ever.. and we just try to hold in our laugh cause he had passion. Maybe my friend was a visionary... or a J cole producer...
I'm a big fan of J Cole's 2014 Foret Hill Dr album!!
it really isn't so much the beat in the case of j cole as it is his chorus and verses that go along with it. the beat may give him an idea of what subject matter to write about but we also overlook intangible things such as the environment that he is in at the time of hearing that could have influenced him to take it a certain direction. As well as other collaborators on the musical ideas. Personally I think he has gotten better along with the production that goes into his music. I do know he produces quite a bit but he isn't the only one. A common theme in catchy music is having a team behind the creation as the catchier it is to 10 people the more chances it has to be well received versus just one person thinking its hot.
That awkward moment when sideline story is your favorite J. Cole song 💀
Difference between him and other is he made it pretty much without jay cosigning on his songs like wayne did with drake for many records, he still made it through🔊🔊🔊
Usually I would agree with what you say in the majority of your videos but as a massive Cole fan I think his early production matched his style pretty well although it obviously wasn't as good
He's first album before he start getting money is what made him
Yes someone else finally said it I agree
Sideline story not so much but Born Sinner was fire
Sideline Story is an amazing song,
The beat is phenomenal!
Bad example 😭
Isn't this the guitar sample for the The Cru's"Tha Da Dirty 30"?
not seeing a beat formula but still a good video
Ok, this title makes more sense.
The fact “a tale of 2 cities” melody was made with FL keys blows my mind 🤯
Fl is an extremely powerful daw people keep saying stuff like this downplaying the capabilities of it. It’s not about what you use honestly it’s about the person’s skills.
Cole has really come into his own.
Hi, Navie. Big fan of your vids. Always be waiting for Tuesday. Btw I wanna ask for your opinion. What do you think about Kendrick Lamar's Rich Spirit? I find the beat very unique & catchy in a way but I can't really put it into words. Thanks in advance!
the keys on a tale of 2 citiez reminds me of wu tang ice cream. i thought it was that sample at first
I like the beat for sideline story
Born sinner had great production too
I dunno that first beat was like perfect imo , not too much & not too little. Just the right amount of everything. There could be some more unique sounds in it but it might change the entire feeling
please do a vid covering flylo production
How the hell you gonna judge somebody on how they make their beats....where's your album...that's what I wanna hear.
Im not sure how you gathered that fans were bored of j.cole as a new yorker all we played were his early records
the sideline story beat uses jazz progressions to break up the monotony
Not enough people were listening to J Cole until Wet Dreamz. The real fans know him since Dreams. Sideline Story beat is better than Hello. Hello just has more energy due to the drum pacing. This sounds like you wanted him to be 1 dimensional. Forest Hill is #1 but Sideline Story is #2 or 3.
Timbaland said what he said about using Logic
I don't think every well produced album needs to bring something new to the table Illmatic by nas is a great example The sample are pretty straight forward looped and the drums are not very special but the production was made near to prefection.
Nothing about the piano in Hello is straightforward im sorry, thats some weird ass rythm
I love the Born Sinner Album. KOD is the only Album dat dissapoints me from J. Cole
His beats are still mostly trash but sometimes he makes good beats
Hahah what is your fav of his?
Unpopular opinion if but Cole early music might be “simple” but I liked it more tbh
KARIM BENZEMA😶
Definitely he spits so much harder now you hear in the music much better artist now