Only been playing about three months, first MMO. I really had absolutely no idea how to play the game until I started watching videos like this. Y'all battle hardend vets remember us noobs are still starting up every day. Your videos are soooo helpful and make the gaming experience that much better. Thanks!!
That is how everybody has to start. For that these videos exist. As a vet player we will point you in the right direction, the learning and further research is your own task.
@@aaronoutdoors7556 Just started the game and wondering the same thing, I can't understand where I should go to list my thing. Do I HAVE to join a guild for that? That's such a dumb system
great video man, i started playing today and i was so freaking confused about the trading system of the game but u just made it easier for me! thanks a lot! Now i have to start looking for a guild that accepts a poor noobie guy! hahaha!
There was a player asking something like the following in chat earlier tonight: "Please all of you, answer this question. Do you use the guild trader system? Yes or no - if no, specify why" I counted 23 answers, only 3 were "yes". And almost all who answered no, said either "I don't understand it", "I don't know what that is", or "too complicated". We REALLY need an auction house!
Thanks for the video! Newer player but trading in any MMO has always been an activity I love. The lack of a universal marketplace hub, or game-wide markets tying to a universal auction house is indeed wonky. Even the 'best trade guilds' seem like their outside revenue will always be randomized to who visits their trader vs. the othrr guild store traders in any gi en marketplace. Its...odd. Makes you wonder then how one trade guild can be betrer than another sans plug ins, like console for instance. Anyhow, thanks for the video!
I think they prefer this "system" because 0 : it plays and feels more "realistic" in a Roleplaying way 1 : It is easier to maintain for zenimax, no massive trade front to maintain 2 : In game economy is not transparent, hence most players wont notice balance issues 3 : it makes "playing the Trading Post" (flipping, etc) playstyle harder, forcing many players into giving up that idea. Hence making the game not succumb into that. (many other MMOs have that problem) 4 : By dividing up the supply via available locations, it is easier to keep the value of items in higher then they actually are. This is actually a very important point let me explain, if everybody contributes to a central supply of an item (like in GW2) and this is very transparent in the TP (like in GW2), prices will drop massively. Because in ESO you only have access to (theoratically, unless you WP around which is a burden) what nearby Traders offer, that is why you are more inclined to commit "casual" transactions without checking the global price. Which keeps the economy running. 5 : Keeps low-value(high supply) items actually valuable and adds value to low-level content. This is also massive since I think this is the main reason of zenimax. Think abou this that way, balancing economy is extremely hard. Like no one would Harvest Iron if it is not used in any meaningful End-Game recipe, and suddenly you just made Iron nodes compoletely Obsolete. Since Zenimax do not or cannot balance the game in such a way that low level items keep value, they create an economy in which it is very hard to see how useless that item actually is. And so they keep the low-level content actually somewhat viable. I mean it is harder to find a fucking Trader nearby who sells that one Wood, instead of going out and finding a node to harvest. Since it is so frustratingly hard to get access to a meaningful trade, you instead choose to "play the game for it". Take a look at Gw2, which is a superior game than ESO in almost any aspects. The perfect centralized TP there is extremely easy to use and access. Hence the GW2 developers need to actually keep the economy in constant control to maintain game balance. Zenimax basically made it hard to trade, so they dont need to balance the economy that much. That is the real reason IMHO.
Like think about this, In Gw2 if someone buys all the iron, immediately prices go up, that makes the players go and make PvE runs for metal items, which deconstruct into metal so they make money. Then you release new content in which in a zone Mobs drop metal weapons, players will farm it, and the prices fall etc. You get a game which is connected and formed by the economy, like IRL. With turns the game into a Real Life simulator where people will organize themselves in a wealth pyramid, where the goals of the game become obtaining money so you can buy the stuff "rich" players want to be "important" it is crazy how real life like game feels at that point. It is extremely annyoing and hard to keep such a game running for long becasue it is impossible to keep people on the low side of the pyramid interested in a game which is basically a Real life economy simulator. It is not about content anymore, but only about releasing items which can be added to the economy carousel. THIS HAPPENS TO EVERY MMO or Looter Shooter, examples : GW2, Path of Exile etc... There are actually many games outside whic WANTS this so you can monetize this shit. There are methods you can defend your game against this ultimate hell: 1 : You can forbid trading altogether, result : impossible to keep long-term motivation for high nubmers of players. Hence game dies. 2 : You can make most of the items not tradeable (soul-bound) result : same as above. 3 : You can try to balance the economy in which you carafully adjust the availability of items to alter trading prices, result : extremely hard and too much work to do. 4 : You can try to make items easier to obtain in game than in Trading Post, hence circumventing the problem There are problably more methods. but I think the number 4 is the way Zenimax tries to solve this, It HAS a Trading system to keep an illusion of end game goal for hardcore players, and at the same time makes it so hard to take part in it that it is actually easier to play the game. That way Zenimax can keep the focus on what really matters. Content, Gameplay and Story, not a Wall street simulator.
Could you ever do a video a little more advanced for trading, like what sells well or is best to farm or flip? I'm on console and see a lot of people in zone chat bulk buying or selling. What's an expensive item that I could buy low and sell high or what should i be searching for at guild traders?
Maybe in the future I could delve into it, as I said in the video I don't usually cover this kind of stuff. In the meantime check out JHartEllis, he always does gold making tip streams.
these are all locked for me or the when the page opens, it's all empty (there is nothing under "ALL" ). I am having difficulty with this game. I am looking at these guides too early perhaps. I am lvl 50 CP 20ish and I cant trade. I mostly want to just buy food/drink because there is no way in hell I am going to pay over $100 a year to play a $30 game...It's a fun game for sure despite all the deliberate annoyances put in my path (like the fences in the hubs that you have to go around because it's faster than to jump over etc. but there is just too many unexplained elements. I still h ave no clue what a lot of the things mean. Like, minor this major that, I have no clue why I want those or what those do and game made 0 effort to tell me. Hell, hovering over those when they are active pop up the tooltip saying "yup, this is minor/major blah blah buff / " no word on what they actually do...
The whole bidding on a guild trader is what made me quit the game and play FF XIV instead. ESO should have made selling items easy, not this expensive and complicated mechanic.
7:58 What's the point in having that extra 3.5% gold go nowhere? I mean, it doesn't go to any player or guild, and it doesn't go to Zenimax Media Corporation. so what the fudge?
Hermaeus Mora what makes you think the money in your bank account is real? Or even physical paper currency? The paper isn’t valuable. It holds value because we all agree it should have practical buying power. Gold in eso is real currency that we use to judge the value of in game items. The more gold there is in circulation, the less each piece of gold is worth. Currency inflation is a huge problem in a lot of mmos actually. Eso has done a pretty good job at maintaining the value of in game gold by regulating the volume of gold available using tools like taxes, bag upgrades, in game housing, and more.
Hermaeus Mora because in a single player game, you’re the only person real person in the economy. NPCs are not rational agents, and won’t start charging more for their goods because there is more gold in the system, but that is exactly what real people do.
I don't really trade tbh it's just too confusing for me gives me a headache and that i've traded in other games and they are so easy and not confusing great guide though 👍🏾
I hate Guild trade in this game and every other MMO game i ever played you could sell your loot easy,but i detroy all my epic items because i play solo and so do not understand how crap it is to rely on a Guild to sell and make gold,and if you can not sell and want to later upgrade Purple items you need to spend losts of gold for more Bank space.
Ok as a new player I'm just confused. My inventory is full from random materials and such. I've tried to go to what I thought were merchants to sell things, but it just asks me to type in the name of items and search for them. Not sure what I was doing. So as a new player, its not possible to just go to a store, and sell my items to an NPC?
You can sell most items to any 'merchant' NPC, but be aware a lot of items will be worth nothing to them (they'll still 'take' them, you just won't get any gold), and for anything worth selling you'll probably get more gold selling to players. For gear that doesn't sell well, deconstruct it and sell the materials. Materials always sell, though not for a lot of gold. Of course, you'll need to level all your crafting skills to get the most returns from deconstruction.
What a bs trading system. My conundrum is this. I need a decent build for battlegrounds/pvp. In order to get this gear, I need to craft and upgrade the items to legendary. The mats needed for this are so expensive on guild store. So what's the solution? Farm your ass off and sell items for gold to buy the mats. SO I look up best gold making methods, and most of them say you need to farm nodes and then sell them on guild store. So then I look up how to join a trading guild. I still cannot find one and now I find out that trading guilds do not have a 24/7 operation, that only every now and then based on some randomized raffling system, are they able to actually trade? On top of that, there are prerequisites within these guilds to actually trade? FML. I just want to farm stuff and sell and make gold. Not everyone lives in ESO, some of us have real lives where we have limited time to play. In GWARS2. you run to TP and sell. No mess no fuss. All this stuff about economy balance in ESO is just stupid. Supply and demand is a real thing, and it work just fine in GWARS2. Why they try and get around this in ESO has just made things extremely frustrating for more casual players.
When you sell items to your guild do you get the gold immediately, or only when the items actually sell? How much of a cut should the guild be taking, and is that up front?
Supposed to be a funny game but this is designed to be a pain in the *** I have played other games like this one and this is the most confusing and tedious system.
Thumbs up for the video but disappointed. I played this game a month or two after launch and this guild shop nonsense is the reason I could not stand the game. Greymore was looking interesting so I was hoping to see them finally instituting a real auction house, but no. I don’t care how many new cool looking content they pump out if the core of the player economy will be shackled to this guild shop nonsense.
The "bidding" system isn't even really a bid. Because you can't see anyone else's bid you're basically you're throwing your money down and praying that you bid high enough. Zos only really does this to make it harder to hold down a trader. There's really no other reason. Kind of bs.
Only been playing about three months, first MMO. I really had absolutely no idea how to play the game until I started watching videos like this. Y'all battle hardend vets remember us noobs are still starting up every day. Your videos are soooo helpful and make the gaming experience that much better. Thanks!!
That is how everybody has to start. For that these videos exist. As a vet player we will point you in the right direction, the learning and further research is your own task.
If they were trying to over complicate an Auction House they sure as hell did just that.
...I am still trying to find any place where I can buy something listed by players. I am probably stupid right? 250+ hours in...
@@Ludak021 you can't find a guild merchant?
I watched this video and still have no idea how this system works. Guess it’s vendor everything.
@@aaronoutdoors7556 Just started the game and wondering the same thing, I can't understand where I should go to list my thing. Do I HAVE to join a guild for that? That's such a dumb system
Global. I want Global. It's a shame. Btw. AMAZING TUTORIAL. Love the old-school music.
great video man, i started playing today and i was so freaking confused about the trading system of the game but u just made it easier for me! thanks a lot!
Now i have to start looking for a guild that accepts a poor noobie guy! hahaha!
Sooo. As a beginner I was hoping you would tell me how to find the guild menu in the first place. This is complex for me.
Press G ingame if you’re on PC.
@@NefasQS I can't find that key on my mouse.
;)
How do u double jump
@@LoopyLongplays lmao
There was a player asking something like the following in chat earlier tonight:
"Please all of you, answer this question. Do you use the guild trader system? Yes or no - if no, specify why"
I counted 23 answers, only 3 were "yes". And almost all who answered no, said either "I don't understand it", "I don't know what that is", or "too complicated".
We REALLY need an auction house!
Thanks for the video! Newer player but trading in any MMO has always been an activity I love. The lack of a universal marketplace hub, or game-wide markets tying to a universal auction house is indeed wonky.
Even the 'best trade guilds' seem like their outside revenue will always be randomized to who visits their trader vs. the othrr guild store traders in any gi en marketplace. Its...odd. Makes you wonder then how one trade guild can be betrer than another sans plug ins, like console for instance.
Anyhow, thanks for the video!
I think they prefer this "system" because
0 : it plays and feels more "realistic" in a Roleplaying way
1 : It is easier to maintain for zenimax, no massive trade front to maintain
2 : In game economy is not transparent, hence most players wont notice balance issues
3 : it makes "playing the Trading Post" (flipping, etc) playstyle harder, forcing many players into giving up that idea. Hence making the game not succumb into that. (many other MMOs have that problem)
4 : By dividing up the supply via available locations, it is easier to keep the value of items in higher then they actually are.
This is actually a very important point let me explain, if everybody contributes to a central supply of an item (like in GW2) and this is very transparent in the TP (like in GW2), prices will drop massively. Because in ESO you only have access to (theoratically, unless you WP around which is a burden) what nearby Traders offer, that is why you are more inclined to commit "casual" transactions without checking the global price. Which keeps the economy running.
5 : Keeps low-value(high supply) items actually valuable and adds value to low-level content.
This is also massive since I think this is the main reason of zenimax. Think abou this that way, balancing economy is extremely hard. Like no one would Harvest Iron if it is not used in any meaningful End-Game recipe, and suddenly you just made Iron nodes compoletely Obsolete. Since Zenimax do not or cannot balance the game in such a way that low level items keep value, they create an economy in which it is very hard to see how useless that item actually is. And so they keep the low-level content actually somewhat viable.
I mean it is harder to find a fucking Trader nearby who sells that one Wood, instead of going out and finding a node to harvest.
Since it is so frustratingly hard to get access to a meaningful trade, you instead choose to "play the game for it".
Take a look at Gw2, which is a superior game than ESO in almost any aspects. The perfect centralized TP there is extremely easy to use and access. Hence the GW2 developers need to actually keep the economy in constant control to maintain game balance.
Zenimax basically made it hard to trade, so they dont need to balance the economy that much.
That is the real reason IMHO.
Like think about this,
In Gw2 if someone buys all the iron, immediately prices go up, that makes the players go and make PvE runs for metal items, which deconstruct into metal so they make money.
Then you release new content in which in a zone Mobs drop metal weapons, players will farm it, and the prices fall etc.
You get a game which is connected and formed by the economy, like IRL. With turns the game into a Real Life simulator where people will organize themselves in a wealth pyramid, where the goals of the game become obtaining money so you can buy the stuff "rich" players want to be "important" it is crazy how real life like game feels at that point.
It is extremely annyoing and hard to keep such a game running for long becasue it is impossible to keep people on the low side of the pyramid interested in a game which is basically a Real life economy simulator. It is not about content anymore, but only about releasing items which can be added to the economy carousel. THIS HAPPENS TO EVERY MMO or Looter Shooter, examples : GW2, Path of Exile etc... There are actually many games outside whic WANTS this so you can monetize this shit.
There are methods you can defend your game against this ultimate hell:
1 : You can forbid trading altogether, result : impossible to keep long-term motivation for high nubmers of players. Hence game dies.
2 : You can make most of the items not tradeable (soul-bound) result : same as above.
3 : You can try to balance the economy in which you carafully adjust the availability of items to alter trading prices, result : extremely hard and too much work to do.
4 : You can try to make items easier to obtain in game than in Trading Post, hence circumventing the problem
There are problably more methods. but I think the number 4 is the way Zenimax tries to solve this, It HAS a Trading system to keep an illusion of end game goal for hardcore players,
and at the same time makes it so hard to take part in it that it is actually easier to play the game. That way Zenimax can keep the focus on what really matters. Content, Gameplay and Story, not a Wall street simulator.
Nice
@@ArseneGray agreed, well explained
Could you ever do a video a little more advanced for trading, like what sells well or is best to farm or flip? I'm on console and see a lot of people in zone chat bulk buying or selling. What's an expensive item that I could buy low and sell high or what should i be searching for at guild traders?
Maybe in the future I could delve into it, as I said in the video I don't usually cover this kind of stuff. In the meantime check out JHartEllis, he always does gold making tip streams.
This is the information i wanted, thank you so much.
Thanks i have $1543.46 worth of gold now i can sell it for real cash
Probably a bit late, but that's against the Tos
Maple - Max It’s only against the ToS if he gets caught
So I have to be in a guild to sell stuff for auction? Otherwise I can only sell it to a merchant?
Background music is a bit loud.
Wow
Man I remember the days when making 1k gold was almost imposible for me. Now I make 1k for only doing a mission. Lol
You are not on ps4 lol
Is it me or is there some weird audio blips throughout the video? One instance is at 7:53 ish
Tacoo From Line A render issue unfortunately.
I see why they left this part of the game out of the trailers. Who thought this was a good idea..
these are all locked for me or the when the page opens, it's all empty (there is nothing under "ALL" ). I am having difficulty with this game. I am looking at these guides too early perhaps. I am lvl 50 CP 20ish and I cant trade. I mostly want to just buy food/drink because there is no way in hell I am going to pay over $100 a year to play a $30 game...It's a fun game for sure despite all the deliberate annoyances put in my path (like the fences in the hubs that you have to go around because it's faster than to jump over etc. but there is just too many unexplained elements. I still h ave no clue what a lot of the things mean. Like, minor this major that, I have no clue why I want those or what those do and game made 0 effort to tell me. Hell, hovering over those when they are active pop up the tooltip saying "yup, this is minor/major blah blah buff / " no word on what they actually do...
The whole bidding on a guild trader is what made me quit the game and play FF XIV instead. ESO should have made selling items easy, not this expensive and complicated mechanic.
Prices everywhere is just way to high.
I know right
Hi, what give you this graph when you mouse over an item ?
7:58 What's the point in having that extra 3.5% gold go nowhere? I mean, it doesn't go to any player or guild, and it doesn't go to Zenimax Media Corporation. so what the fudge?
The point is to mitigate inflation since gold is basically 'printed' every time you kill a mob.
@@Grimhallow Yeah, but the gold isn't real? How would it lose any value if say, we had, trillions of gold coins in ESO?
Hermaeus Mora what makes you think the money in your bank account is real? Or even physical paper currency? The paper isn’t valuable. It holds value because we all agree it should have practical buying power. Gold in eso is real currency that we use to judge the value of in game items. The more gold there is in circulation, the less each piece of gold is worth.
Currency inflation is a huge problem in a lot of mmos actually. Eso has done a pretty good job at maintaining the value of in game gold by regulating the volume of gold available using tools like taxes, bag upgrades, in game housing, and more.
@@Grimhallow So why is currency inflation not a problem in single player games like Skyrim? Say if I mod myself to have a trillion gold, for example.
Hermaeus Mora because in a single player game, you’re the only person real person in the economy. NPCs are not rational agents, and won’t start charging more for their goods because there is more gold in the system, but that is exactly what real people do.
your UI there looks so much different than mine for the guild listing and store
I don't really trade tbh it's just too confusing for me gives me a headache and that i've traded in other games and they are so easy and not confusing great guide though 👍🏾
I hate Guild trade in this game and every other MMO game i ever played you could sell your loot easy,but i detroy all my epic items because i play solo and so do not understand how crap it is to rely on a Guild to sell and make gold,and if you can not sell and want to later upgrade Purple items you need to spend losts of gold for more Bank space.
Me too, I have a load of sought after gear but nowhere to sell it. Not even to other players.
whats the health bar option?
Which guild sells the best stuff for a newbie on PC NA?
No definitive answer. Look around the Traders or check TTC.
You can’t actually sale the crown items you get to another player can you?? Like the fortifying meals, experience scrolls etc... (any crown items)
You can yes, the player tells you why they want and you sell it to them on an agreed rate of Crowns:Gold.
I cannot get anything to sell. It’s impossible to know how much to sell stuff. It’s the worst part of the game.
How do you know how to price something?
You either ask for a price check in guild chat or hit up TamrielTradeCentre dot com or have the MaterMerchant/TTC addons
Ok as a new player I'm just confused. My inventory is full from random materials and such. I've tried to go to what I thought were merchants to sell things, but it just asks me to type in the name of items and search for them. Not sure what I was doing.
So as a new player, its not possible to just go to a store, and sell my items to an NPC?
You can sell most items to any 'merchant' NPC, but be aware a lot of items will be worth nothing to them (they'll still 'take' them, you just won't get any gold), and for anything worth selling you'll probably get more gold selling to players. For gear that doesn't sell well, deconstruct it and sell the materials. Materials always sell, though not for a lot of gold. Of course, you'll need to level all your crafting skills to get the most returns from deconstruction.
What a bs trading system. My conundrum is this. I need a decent build for battlegrounds/pvp. In order to get this gear, I need to craft and upgrade the items to legendary. The mats needed for this are so expensive on guild store. So what's the solution? Farm your ass off and sell items for gold to buy the mats. SO I look up best gold making methods, and most of them say you need to farm nodes and then sell them on guild store. So then I look up how to join a trading guild. I still cannot find one and now I find out that trading guilds do not have a 24/7 operation, that only every now and then based on some randomized raffling system, are they able to actually trade? On top of that, there are prerequisites within these guilds to actually trade? FML. I just want to farm stuff and sell and make gold. Not everyone lives in ESO, some of us have real lives where we have limited time to play. In GWARS2. you run to TP and sell. No mess no fuss. All this stuff about economy balance in ESO is just stupid. Supply and demand is a real thing, and it work just fine in GWARS2. Why they try and get around this in ESO has just made things extremely frustrating for more casual players.
i bought some stuff in the guild store but it doesnt appear in my invertory. what do i do ?
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Love this game rn but let’s be honest RuneScape did better with global trading in 2008
Another thumbs-up on this video for its content.
What happens if nobody buys my stuff and the month ends?, do they just get deleted?
You get it all back to relist.
@@NefasQS oh ok I was worried I'd lose everything
When you sell items to your guild do you get the gold immediately, or only when the items actually sell? How much of a cut should the guild be taking, and is that up front?
When the items actually sell. 3.5%
@@NefasQS Thanks, I joined a guild and am finding it pretty easy to make good money.
Supposed to be a funny game but this is designed to be a pain in the *** I have played other games like this one and this is the most confusing and tedious system.
Thumbs up for the video but disappointed. I played this game a month or two after launch and this guild shop nonsense is the reason I could not stand the game. Greymore was looking interesting so I was hoping to see them finally instituting a real auction house, but no.
I don’t care how many new cool looking content they pump out if the core of the player economy will be shackled to this guild shop nonsense.
Great video man
Not sure why ESO makes it sooooo complicated! Just mimic the store at World of Warcraft and keep it simple.
Good vid but the ESO trading system is terrible. It's so convoluted, Guild Wars' trade hub system is so much better.
Addons is 10 minutes in, your welcome.
The "bidding" system isn't even really a bid. Because you can't see anyone else's bid you're basically you're throwing your money down and praying that you bid high enough. Zos only really does this to make it harder to hold down a trader. There's really no other reason. Kind of bs.
is this outdated?
Great, something else I learned that makes the game less fun to play
How to make gold in ESO
Step 1: Be part of a guild
ridiculous....has to be a better way to introduce new players to this
Coming from WoW, this is pretty fucking confusing
The music on this video is so bad.
Are there any billionaires in ESO?
Some yes
Mmm...sounds like you need a masters degree to figure all this out
Udder........
Worst fucking system ever
the guilds are a great way to ruin a game
How do you sale in zone chat?