I 100% agree with you on that! The tech that's being developed from it is very impressive and seems way less limiting than traditional AF systems. BMD should go that route
@@dwightrawson6523 yes to me this is the all time biggest sales bungle, I can do without that camera but the focus module to me is the best part of that system. Tying it to the 4D is cash they're leaving on the floor.
Lidar can’t do eye detect more like nose detect, has issues if angled and not on flat tilt, and requires calibration that doesn’t seem to always work. Those are just a few problems I have with the ronin 3D focus. Tech has a long way to go and likely won’t reach Sony or canons AF system. A hybrid of ai with lidar may be beneficial for extremely dark night shots which is the only area lidar makes sense over contrast based.
@@russellmceacharn7750 Yes, but what we're discussing lens agnostic solutions. Of course that comes with compromises, but the benefit we're looking for is a solution not tied to a brand.
We always need to keep in mind that Blackmagic has its roots in live broadcast video, where focus hunting is a mortal sin, and the camera op has a producer chirping in his or her ear calling shots that have to be dialed in quickly and with precision. And on film sets with serious budgets on the line, it’s inexcusable to lose takes because the autofocus decided to drift to a background object. Until you can talk with autofocus, describe the shot in human movement terms, and have it pull perfectly every time, autofocus will not become a meaningful selling point to a lot of camera ops.
Very true! That's why I really think LiDar autofocus is the only really option in the future. Because it doesn't focus hunt, can focus on low light settings, and has a lot more control for the operators. Now that's for film and broadcast, plenty of others would use autofocus in single person shoots. I think that's really the segment that needs it the most
Its hard to believe how consistent this guy is at us 10k subs. Im sure after 6months of posting this comment he will be easily at 85k+. Thanks for making these amazing videos!
I appreciate that! Love making these videos and interacting with all of you guys! Hoping to start being a bit more consistent on the 3 videos a week haha
Totally agree this guy is my new favorite. Knowledgeable, articulate to the point, good insight. Does not come off like a douche bag like some other guys who have millions more subs. For the the love of all things please don’t ever say the word Dope. Keep up the excellent work.
I've been using Komodo's auto focus for talking head shots and some gimbal work lately. Sure, it's no face only/eye detect Sony/Canon autofocus, but it's surprisingly smooth and 100% usable as long as your detection zone/point is setup appropriately for the shot. I think everyone has been surprised about how good REDs first try at continuous autofocus turned out, especially since they had to figure out the RF stuff. I see no reason Blackmagic couldn't do the same.
I like autofocus lenses when I use autofocus. Unfortunately, manual focusing on automatic lenses just doesn't have the nice feeling. Maybe it's just Canon and EF lenses that suck 🤷🏼♂️ Disclaimer: I haven't made a penny from photos or video for over a decade. I just like to play with my toys.
It's not just canon and EF lenses that suck...it's any stills lens being used as a cine lens, unfortunately. Full disclosure, I prefer stills lenses usually BECAUSE they have autofocus, which can be useful, but the same feel they are not. It makes me cringe every time I see a youtube reviewer talking about how awesome the manual focus ring feels on a focus by wire stills lens. I mean, I don't know if they're intentionally spouting BS, or if they're just ignorant to how much better the long, smooth throw of a lens that's also free from breathing is.
@@loudandclearmedia Oh, for sure! I think that's why LiDar focus is the future because you can use it with cine lenses. Focus breathing is super annoying on non-cine for sure. Though I am intrigued by the magnet lens focus tech that Nikon has been playing with. I wonder if it solves some of the focus by wire issues
I use lidar for 3d mapping with drones, which is a huge industry. It is definitely the future coupled with AI processing for object detection and tracking. It's not "shooting a laser at the subject." It's shooting hundreds or thousands of lasers and getting individual depth data from everything. It's basically like a cmos sensor except instead of individual pixels it's individual lasers reading depth data instead of color and luminosity data. The stuff being used for the camera world is still a gimicky afterthought, more of a proof of concept, but eventually someone from the 3d world will mate with someone from the camera world and have an amazing baby.
Good evening gentleman, I have a question. I bought a blackmagic 6k full frame to stream, however to my surprise and ignorance, when I move away from the camera it does not focus on me, I have to do it with a separate device that turns if I want it to focus on me when I get closer or further away. .. it is very difficult to stream if to zoom out or zoom in, I have to do it manually.... what can I do to solve it, or automate it?
There are a dozen cinema lens companies out there. BMD does not need to, and probable does not want to, enter that crowded arena. There is the "touch once only" on the camera displays, so that is a concession for new users. There are a lot of new users because BMD sells several types of cameras, some budget priced. They have a huge catalogue of rack mount and modules for studio/live use that no one else caters for. Their quality and performance is in the top 5.
No autofocus I can totally live with, but what I really wish they’d give us already is the ability to record the gyroscope data for stabilization… *Update: and we just got it!
@@colmh8855 Go for it, you won't be disappointed! They actually JUST added gyro stabilisation! With the release of the 6KG2, I think you can be safe in the assumption it will be a little bit before there's a 6K Pro G2 or the like.
I love the auto focus on the Sony with face priority. Works super and is always on. So many people don’t focus good and this auto focus ensures me I always get the good focus, even when less experienced people are filming
I respect your opinion on it and glad you can respect others that do want it! Kind of with you on it, I'd use it here and there but I like manual focus too much 😂
Ay! White Monster spotting. I’m not typically a monster dude but those things slap. I told myself I would stop drinking energy drinks by the end of 2023 tho so pour one out for me.
honestly, if they just added autofocus similar to the red komod I would be happy. don't need great af, just enough for a simple tracking shot would be nice
BM getting autofocus, or Sony auto focus cameras getting the look of BM, or more filmic look. Either is an upgrade buy for me. Even today, my new follow focus was sliding off from the plastic ring (I put) around the lens. Light weight, and autofocus duo make it easier.
I don't see the need for autofocus and as long as Arri doesn't have it I don't believe they will. Also cameras in their price range that do have auto focus is pretty clunky and bad from what I read. I don't think they'd waste money on a feature that wouldn't yield real world usability. The 4K and 6K are in their own right great cameras but they are missing some basic things like weather sealng. If they're willing to cut corners on things like that I don't see auto focus in the foreseeable future
Good evening gentleman, I have a question. I bought a blackmagic 6k full frame to stream, however to my surprise and ignorance, when I move away from the camera it does not focus on me, I have to do it with a separate device that turns if I want it to focus on me when I get closer or further away. .. it is very difficult to stream if to zoom out or zoom in, I have to do it manually.... what can I do to solve it, or automate it?
As much as I dislike autofocus, I have the 3D focus system with my RS2 gimbal and it works amazingly well, you turn it on when you want it and off when you don't, simple, unlike traditional autofocus lenses that usually work with focus-by-wire (which is flat out dumb), so no I don't agree with autofocus in-camera.
6:38 ..... lol yeah no, that's the only reason I have stayed clear of blackmagic cameras (that and horrible low light performance) Black magic seriously needs to invest in autofocus.
I bought my P4K to make narrative based films in semi controlled environments but my freaking parents are making me use it to film events and travel videos AND ITS SUCH A BITCH TO USE WITHOUT A CREW AND I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY AN FX3 OR A CANON R5. I ALSO DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY THE CHEAPEST TERADEK SO I CAN HAVE A WIRELESS AC. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
There are ways to pair it down a bit to make it easier for filming events and travel videos. I actually use all of mine for travel a lot, but some of it's experimenting with how to work with it in those environments. But I get the struggle! haha
unpopular opinion but Nikon and BM kinda have good relation. Nikon was first to use B-Raw in their Mirrorless cameras and Blackmagic is first to support N-Raw. on Reddit there was a discussion going on about BM and Nikon relation and what they can do. recent news about Nikon future road map suggest Nikon also want to focus on video and with having its own N-Raw codec we can say they are kinda serious and maybe even following BM in this case. BM and Nikon can take their relation to next level and have collaboration to help each other to improve their cameras. Nikon can take some help from BM for Video/Cinema Mirrorless cameras and it can help BM for Video AF and even IBIS. and BM doesn't need to develop and manufacture their own lens mount and lenses they can partner with Nikon to use Z mount. both companies can help eachother in many ways to take own more shares of Mirrorless and Cinema camera market. its upto BM what direction they wanted to go. but i think its possible for them to partner with Nikon if they wan to. and DJI 4D infrared based focus pulling system will be cool. i think they are even planning to sell it separately.
That's an interesting thought for sure! Yeah, them announcing the N-RAW ability in Resolve here recently was interesting. I wonder if that's a question I could ask at NAB.
@@FrameVoyager it you got the chance to ask them questions then it will be interesting to ask them about this interesting friendly relation with Nikon. and what possibilities are there. even if we say there is no possibility for them to have a partnership to develop AF system or that kinda high level tech but still it should not be hard for Nikon to let Z mount use on BM cameras. Z mount have largest diameter and minimum flange distance so you can literally adapt any lens on it. so it will be interesting to ask BM if there is any possibility for them to use lens mount with only 16mm diameter flange distance. using Z mount is more realistic.
@@JaspreetSinghArtist I've got an interview with them at NAB all lined up. I'll have to check and make sure that's within the guidelines but fascinating question fo sure
@@FrameVoyager i don't know much about this kind of interviews but i think it should be okay to ask them about Z mount. even for technical point of views its a flexible mount because of minimum flange distance compared to Sony and Canon mount. you can literally adapt those lenses on Z mount.
Blackmagic Cameras do have autofocus, just not continuous auto focus. I have heard from sources where Blackmagic Design refuse to add continuous autofocus feature because it will take jobs from Camera Assistants.
Which makes sense. Camera assistants can't blame Blackmagic if they are out of work! I can understand that it's not Blackmagic priority to offer image stabilisation and continuous autofocus. Nowadays people can use a gimbal or hire a Steadicam operator and camera assistant for focusing. However people can still argue that low budget independent projects can't afford these sorts of crews. Then again, I doubt the Blackmagic Cameras price would be as low as it is if the camera does offer what other camera manufacturers offer. It's the debate of spending more money on camera to do everything or spend it on collaboration with other people. I currently own the Ursa Min Pro, Pocket 4K and recently bought the gh6. For small gigs that really have no budget, gh6 would be my go to camera because it's relatively cheaper, packs with features and similar colour science to Blackmagic. So I understand why people want to buy a camera that does everything, because it's convenient!
Bmd would have to more so make their own mounts and getting lense uptake would be ehhhhhhh, something to note tho bmd began developing cameras in 2012 just about when ef/pl/m43 would be out of patent -note most camera mounts aren't actually patented to keep trade secrets- it's why they made the focus & zoom demands but ya if bmd wants to do it will probably be lidar or eventually sensor manufacturers/bmd engineers will figure it out 😉
Well, for now. I'm sure we're going to get a BMD release at somepoint here soon. There is another conference coming up in may or June that might make sense as well 🤷♂️
Now here's a question that has formed over the course of the video: Who is the target audience of Blackmagicdesign? In my opinion it certainly isn't the broad consumer market. Imagine seeing an EOS 2000D and a Pocket 4k next to each other. I know that that isn't really a compareable pricebracket, but that speaks all the more for another target: prosumers/indie-filmmakers. For homevideo and youtube-vlogs autofocus is really helpful, but if you go deeper than that, manual focus is definitely the way to go. You have much much more control over the images you create, but you need to be able to use it correctly. People invested in filmmaking are (most probably) willing to learn how to focus manually, but you cannot expect the same from anyone else, really. So in my personal opinion, I think that Blackmagic should ditch internal autofocus completely and provide it for example through an external lidar-system. People who buy Blackmagic cameras have a tendency to rig (the shit out of) their cameras, so "one more module shouldn't hurt". Provided they want autofocus in the first place. Also: Switching off autofocus on an electronically controlled lens isn't comparible to a fully manual lens, I think. Vintage lenses (for example), that are only glass and metal, are SO much more responsive than anything with internal focusingmotors. There is always this lag to you rotating the focuswheel and the camera responding. ew, just ew. So to conclude: No, I don't want autofocus on Blackmagic cameras. Those "wasted" resources could be used to work on other things. Rather than having a shitty autofocus system, I'd MUCH rather hand of the focuspulling to a green 1st AC, than being frustrated by the "wonders of modern technology". Of course you don't alyways have a 1st AC on hand, but in that case, pulling focus yourself is (probably) the best option.
Why do you need autofocus on BM cameras? They are meant to be manual Try Sony or Canon. We dont need Blackmagic to follow hype, BM is great what it does,
You don't? But some people have asked about it. I think AF in BMD is only going to come from something like LIDAR anyways. But honestly better to get used to filming manual at some point anyways
@@FrameVoyager Some cameras are made for movies, others for blogs, others for television. Each standard is determined not only by the codec and picture quality, but above all by the operating conditions. The greatest misconception of novice videomakers is the pursuit of a universal camera that is suitable for shooting movies, youtube videos and television. A cameraman doesn't need autofocus, or a flip out screen, or sensor stabilization, or any unnecessary tab in the menu at all. Ask the cinematographer about focus. Just like a blogger doesn't need a RAW codec. A TV cameraman needs a reliable device with good sound, a strong battery, and preferably one monolithic piece. Shooting movies is a long and painstaking process, involving many people, that is usually well thought out in advance. Automatic focus is needed when there is no time or an experienced cameraman, or to shoot special shots. If you need autofocus, look to other brands that specialize in replacing human involvement in video shooting. If you're uncomfortable with manual focus, you're probably not shooting movies. If you imagine automatic Alexa, I assure you, the material from such a camera will be very similar to the material shot on the CANON RC5 or something like that. It is in the "manual gear" that the essence of the concept of "cinematic" is found.
@@blogpolyarnika For sure! And I'm not arguing for Autofocus in cameras because I never use AF myself. But even in cinema, automated gear is slowly being worked into productions. With a LOT more care on when exactly to implement it for sure, but without some advances in automation certain movies would be impossible. When I talk about LIDAR autofocus as well, I almost see it more as an assistant to a focus puller where you could have a fully automatic setup if you wanted but you could also bring it down and have it as more of an assistant or something used in tricky filming environments. The nice thing with Lidar tech is you could automate an Alexa, but you wouldn't change anything internally on an Alexa so it wouldn't end up being like a cannon RC5. Lidar tech also removes focus hunting and doesn't have issues staying focused in lowlight conditions and it works with any lens. In all this not saying everything should always be automated. But I think there are situations where you could utilize automated tech to help you get things not possible through manual means. Not for every shot or the majority of a film. I'm always for more options in the creative process if it helps me achieve the goal rather than being stuck in some kind of box of what is considered "The way" things are supposed to be done. But I agree on the sentiment of a universal camera. You buy the tools that help you accomplish what you're trying to do!
@@FrameVoyager, thanks for the great conversation and reason to talk about important things ;). I totally agree! When a creative idea or technical conditions require automation, it is certainly not necessary to shy away from new technological solutions. But these will always be rather unique cases that are uniquely solved by the intelligence and capabilities of the engineers on the set. This is why the film device does not have to be perfect. Because perfect is subjective. My perfect rig won't be perfect for you. The rig I use to shoot one movie won't be perfect for my other movie. That's why BM products are masterpieces. They give you the foundation, they inspire you to search and experiment, they give you the most important things: a great picture, a unique сodak and the best user interface on Earth for the affordable price. The rest: focusing devices, batteries, stabilizers, lenses - that's the creative choice of the cinematographer. Choices that some brands (looking to sell their vision of the perfect rig) take away from the creators.
@@blogpolyarnika no problem! I actually love getting to have these conversations even if I don't agree 💯 with everyone. Usually you have convos like this and people just start calling you unprofessional 😂 but totally agree with everything you just said! I've always been big into learning film basics and then building and experimenting after you've grounded yourself in tried and true methods.
I'm not sure it's accurate to say that lack of autofocus hasn't stopped people from buying their cameras. It's stopped me and I know a lot of people who didnt go with black magic because of lack of AF. They would sell a lot more cameras if they had it.
Well right, I mean more of who their target market was with these cameras to start with. I think that's grown more so then they could have hoped for. As a result, more people want autofocus in the cameras!
@@floreamariussorin8652 while I agree whole heatedly that manual for films makes total sense especially for storytellers. I think there is always a problem when people will just laugh or make fun of creatives trying something new out. If the tool works and you can get it to do what it needs to do and it makes your job easier? 🤷♂️ But I agree, AF not where it needs to be yet. But I think LiDar could fix a lot of issues you're talking about. Think about ai presets that could mimic human manual focus. I think that's where we're headed
@@floreamariussorin8652 you’re comparing apples to oranges here. Big budget films with large crews vs black magic users. Black magic users are usually doing lower budget small crew films or documentary work where it would absolutely be handy to have the camera pull focus for you. Autofocus is NOT just for vloggers. Wedding film makers, commercial work and gimbal use can all benefit from it and no ones going to laugh at them for using it. No one cares as long as you’re getting great shots.
@@FrameVoyager studio monitors, no sub. Just found your channel and love the content. Having to listen softly to not wake anyone as it early in the morning. Could be the proximity effect, being so close to your mic. Xo
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Hell yeah! Not having it has prevented me from buying a BM Studio Camera 4k Pro.
LiDar is the only one that makes sense, it's already used to tell focus pullers how far away objects are in more advanced focus-pulling systems.
I 100% agree with you on that! The tech that's being developed from it is very impressive and seems way less limiting than traditional AF systems. BMD should go that route
DJI have done this with the ronin 4d right. I just want that module that I can put on any camera. Pls
@@dwightrawson6523 yes to me this is the all time biggest sales bungle, I can do without that camera but the focus module to me is the best part of that system. Tying it to the 4D is cash they're leaving on the floor.
Lidar can’t do eye detect more like nose detect, has issues if angled and not on flat tilt, and requires calibration that doesn’t seem to always work. Those are just a few problems I have with the ronin 3D focus. Tech has a long way to go and likely won’t reach Sony or canons AF system. A hybrid of ai with lidar may be beneficial for extremely dark night shots which is the only area lidar makes sense over contrast based.
@@russellmceacharn7750 Yes, but what we're discussing lens agnostic solutions. Of course that comes with compromises, but the benefit we're looking for is a solution not tied to a brand.
We always need to keep in mind that Blackmagic has its roots in live broadcast video, where focus hunting is a mortal sin, and the camera op has a producer chirping in his or her ear calling shots that have to be dialed in quickly and with precision. And on film sets with serious budgets on the line, it’s inexcusable to lose takes because the autofocus decided to drift to a background object. Until you can talk with autofocus, describe the shot in human movement terms, and have it pull perfectly every time, autofocus will not become a meaningful selling point to a lot of camera ops.
Very true! That's why I really think LiDar autofocus is the only really option in the future. Because it doesn't focus hunt, can focus on low light settings, and has a lot more control for the operators. Now that's for film and broadcast, plenty of others would use autofocus in single person shoots. I think that's really the segment that needs it the most
@@FrameVoyager😂😂
Its hard to believe how consistent this guy is at us 10k subs. Im sure after 6months of posting this comment he will be easily at 85k+. Thanks for making these amazing videos!
I appreciate that! Love making these videos and interacting with all of you guys! Hoping to start being a bit more consistent on the 3 videos a week haha
Totally agree this guy is my new favorite. Knowledgeable, articulate to the point, good insight. Does not come off like a douche bag like some other guys who have millions more subs. For the the love of all things please don’t ever say the word Dope. Keep up the excellent work.
@BluesTv If I said that word it would be absolute dripping sarcasm
@@FrameVoyager lol XD, i think you arnt alone, do you have other people in your team to create content?
Nice logo 😉
CONGRATS ON THE 10K!! Keep up the hustle and good work we love your videos!
also never forget me and my sarcasm even if you once get to 1Million subs and 1,300 Comments! 😘🙌🏻😎
Appreciate it! And I won't forget! I remember all the people here at the beginning!
I've been using Komodo's auto focus for talking head shots and some gimbal work lately. Sure, it's no face only/eye detect Sony/Canon autofocus, but it's surprisingly smooth and 100% usable as long as your detection zone/point is setup appropriately for the shot. I think everyone has been surprised about how good REDs first try at continuous autofocus turned out, especially since they had to figure out the RF stuff. I see no reason Blackmagic couldn't do the same.
Same! It's not bad at all with the RF lenses.
I like autofocus lenses when I use autofocus. Unfortunately, manual focusing on automatic lenses just doesn't have the nice feeling. Maybe it's just Canon and EF lenses that suck 🤷🏼♂️
Disclaimer: I haven't made a penny from photos or video for over a decade. I just like to play with my toys.
haha these are pretty fun toys!
It's not just canon and EF lenses that suck...it's any stills lens being used as a cine lens, unfortunately. Full disclosure, I prefer stills lenses usually BECAUSE they have autofocus, which can be useful, but the same feel they are not. It makes me cringe every time I see a youtube reviewer talking about how awesome the manual focus ring feels on a focus by wire stills lens. I mean, I don't know if they're intentionally spouting BS, or if they're just ignorant to how much better the long, smooth throw of a lens that's also free from breathing is.
@@loudandclearmedia Oh, for sure! I think that's why LiDar focus is the future because you can use it with cine lenses. Focus breathing is super annoying on non-cine for sure. Though I am intrigued by the magnet lens focus tech that Nikon has been playing with. I wonder if it solves some of the focus by wire issues
I use lidar for 3d mapping with drones, which is a huge industry. It is definitely the future coupled with AI processing for object detection and tracking. It's not "shooting a laser at the subject." It's shooting hundreds or thousands of lasers and getting individual depth data from everything. It's basically like a cmos sensor except instead of individual pixels it's individual lasers reading depth data instead of color and luminosity data. The stuff being used for the camera world is still a gimicky afterthought, more of a proof of concept, but eventually someone from the 3d world will mate with someone from the camera world and have an amazing baby.
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Good evening gentleman, I have a question.
I bought a blackmagic 6k full frame to stream, however to my surprise and ignorance, when I move away from the camera it does not focus on me, I have to do it with a separate device that turns if I want it to focus on me when I get closer or further away. .. it is very difficult to stream if to zoom out or zoom in, I have to do it manually.... what can I do to solve it, or automate it?
I want just a generic autofocus like the Komodo that helps me out because I'm a single shooter without the funds for a follow focus system.
Makes sense! I think they could develop that here soon, but I feel like LiDar might be where everything is heading
The 6K Pro and some older pockets have autofocus. th-cam.com/video/rl_BhjRWTQI/w-d-xo.html
There are a dozen cinema lens companies out there. BMD does not need to, and probable does not want to, enter that crowded arena. There is the "touch once only" on the camera displays, so that is a concession for new users. There are a lot of new users because BMD sells several types of cameras, some budget priced. They have a huge catalogue of rack mount and modules for studio/live use that no one else caters for. Their quality and performance is in the top 5.
No autofocus I can totally live with, but what I really wish they’d give us already is the ability to record the gyroscope data for stabilization…
*Update: and we just got it!
Same! 😩
I'm nearly about to buy my first bm camera. Might go for 6kpro. But i feel like when I buy one there's gonna be some new release straight away haha
@@colmh8855 Go for it, you won't be disappointed! They actually JUST added gyro stabilisation!
With the release of the 6KG2, I think you can be safe in the assumption it will be a little bit before there's a 6K Pro G2 or the like.
@@FrameVoyager And now we have it!
Was literally jumping up and down when Grant announced it during the stream 😂
@@joelmulder wait what!!! They just released a new camera
I love the auto focus on the Sony with face priority. Works super and is always on. So many people don’t focus good and this auto focus ensures me I always get the good focus, even when less experienced people are filming
I dream of a sigma x blackmagic collab
That would be sick!
I’m totally fine without it. I’m not opposed, It just doesn’t matter to me.
I respect your opinion on it and glad you can respect others that do want it! Kind of with you on it, I'd use it here and there but I like manual focus too much 😂
I agree, while I love pulling focus once in a while it might come in handy and it would be nice to have for such moments.
Ay! White Monster spotting. I’m not typically a monster dude but those things slap. I told myself I would stop drinking energy drinks by the end of 2023 tho so pour one out for me.
I wonder if it would be possible to put an eye tracker on an external monitor and then pull focus based on that
Hmmmm... That would be interesting if they could figure that out. Maybe LiDar?
honestly, if they just added autofocus similar to the red komod I would be happy. don't need great af, just enough for a simple tracking shot would be nice
From what I gathered at NAB, they're content to let others figure out external AF for their cameras. LIDAR seems to be the best bet for us
BM getting autofocus, or Sony auto focus cameras getting the look of BM, or more filmic look. Either is an upgrade buy for me. Even today, my new follow focus was sliding off from the plastic ring (I put) around the lens. Light weight, and autofocus duo make it easier.
I don't see the need for autofocus and as long as Arri doesn't have it I don't believe they will. Also cameras in their price range that do have auto focus is pretty clunky and bad from what I read. I don't think they'd waste money on a feature that wouldn't yield real world usability. The 4K and 6K are in their own right great cameras but they are missing some basic things like weather sealng. If they're willing to cut corners on things like that I don't see auto focus in the foreseeable future
Good evening gentleman, I have a question.
I bought a blackmagic 6k full frame to stream, however to my surprise and ignorance, when I move away from the camera it does not focus on me, I have to do it with a separate device that turns if I want it to focus on me when I get closer or further away. .. it is very difficult to stream if to zoom out or zoom in, I have to do it manually.... what can I do to solve it, or automate it?
Lidar. Black Magic - we are waiting for this!
As much as I dislike autofocus, I have the 3D focus system with my RS2 gimbal and it works amazingly well, you turn it on when you want it and off when you don't, simple, unlike traditional autofocus lenses that usually work with focus-by-wire (which is flat out dumb), so no I don't agree with autofocus in-camera.
6:38 ..... lol yeah no, that's the only reason I have stayed clear of blackmagic cameras (that and horrible low light performance)
Black magic seriously needs to invest in autofocus.
I bought my P4K to make narrative based films in semi controlled environments but my freaking parents are making me use it to film events and travel videos AND ITS SUCH A BITCH TO USE WITHOUT A CREW AND I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY AN FX3 OR A CANON R5. I ALSO DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY THE CHEAPEST TERADEK SO I CAN HAVE A WIRELESS AC. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
There are ways to pair it down a bit to make it easier for filming events and travel videos. I actually use all of mine for travel a lot, but some of it's experimenting with how to work with it in those environments. But I get the struggle! haha
where’s the new blackmagic camera dude?
😂😂 don't know, they decided to release davinci resolve 18 on Monday instead I guess haha
My 6k pro has autofocus
howw plz
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Granted, its not as awesome as the autofocus on my A7Siii but it still exists and works pretty well.
Technically yes haha, in the video I talk of "good" autofocus haha
I honestly prefer to be in control manually so this lack of feature doesn’t bother me a single bit
Ooooo Black Magic acquiring Sigma would be hot
Right? 👀
unpopular opinion but Nikon and BM kinda have good relation. Nikon was first to use B-Raw in their Mirrorless cameras and Blackmagic is first to support N-Raw. on Reddit there was a discussion going on about BM and Nikon relation and what they can do. recent news about Nikon future road map suggest Nikon also want to focus on video and with having its own N-Raw codec we can say they are kinda serious and maybe even following BM in this case. BM and Nikon can take their relation to next level and have collaboration to help each other to improve their cameras. Nikon can take some help from BM for Video/Cinema Mirrorless cameras and it can help BM for Video AF and even IBIS. and BM doesn't need to develop and manufacture their own lens mount and lenses they can partner with Nikon to use Z mount. both companies can help eachother in many ways to take own more shares of Mirrorless and Cinema camera market. its upto BM what direction they wanted to go. but i think its possible for them to partner with Nikon if they wan to.
and DJI 4D infrared based focus pulling system will be cool. i think they are even planning to sell it separately.
That's an interesting thought for sure! Yeah, them announcing the N-RAW ability in Resolve here recently was interesting. I wonder if that's a question I could ask at NAB.
@@FrameVoyager it you got the chance to ask them questions then it will be interesting to ask them about this interesting friendly relation with Nikon. and what possibilities are there. even if we say there is no possibility for them to have a partnership to develop AF system or that kinda high level tech but still it should not be hard for Nikon to let Z mount use on BM cameras. Z mount have largest diameter and minimum flange distance so you can literally adapt any lens on it. so it will be interesting to ask BM if there is any possibility for them to use lens mount with only 16mm diameter flange distance. using Z mount is more realistic.
@@JaspreetSinghArtist I've got an interview with them at NAB all lined up. I'll have to check and make sure that's within the guidelines but fascinating question fo sure
@@FrameVoyager i don't know much about this kind of interviews but i think it should be okay to ask them about Z mount. even for technical point of views its a flexible mount because of minimum flange distance compared to Sony and Canon mount. you can literally adapt those lenses on Z mount.
Lidar!!!
Absolutely! The future of autofocus!
0:44 - but....but that's stabilisation switch
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Blackmagic Cameras do have autofocus, just not continuous auto focus. I have heard from sources where Blackmagic Design refuse to add continuous autofocus feature because it will take jobs from Camera Assistants.
Hmmmm... When I asked them about it at NAB they seemed like they just wanted to let other people design AF. Especially LiDar.
Which makes sense. Camera assistants can't blame Blackmagic if they are out of work! I can understand that it's not Blackmagic priority to offer image stabilisation and continuous autofocus. Nowadays people can use a gimbal or hire a Steadicam operator and camera assistant for focusing. However people can still argue that low budget independent projects can't afford these sorts of crews. Then again, I doubt the Blackmagic Cameras price would be as low as it is if the camera does offer what other camera manufacturers offer. It's the debate of spending more money on camera to do everything or spend it on collaboration with other people. I currently own the Ursa Min Pro, Pocket 4K and recently bought the gh6. For small gigs that really have no budget, gh6 would be my go to camera because it's relatively cheaper, packs with features and similar colour science to Blackmagic. So I understand why people want to buy a camera that does everything, because it's convenient!
World-renowned dops looking for the on/off switch on all the cinema lenses be like "the f is this guy talking about?"
😂😂😂 it's a very multi layered joke haha
The Company is called DJI not DGI. 😕
😅 I know, didn't catch myself there
Bmd would have to more so make their own mounts and getting lense uptake would be ehhhhhhh, something to note tho bmd began developing cameras in 2012 just about when ef/pl/m43 would be out of patent -note most camera mounts aren't actually patented to keep trade secrets- it's why they made the focus & zoom demands but ya if bmd wants to do it will probably be lidar or eventually sensor manufacturers/bmd engineers will figure it out 😉
Looks like no cameras are coming auto focus or not
Well, for now. I'm sure we're going to get a BMD release at somepoint here soon. There is another conference coming up in may or June that might make sense as well 🤷♂️
@@FrameVoyager I hope you’re right! Gimme that box camera.
Now here's a question that has formed over the course of the video: Who is the target audience of Blackmagicdesign? In my opinion it certainly isn't the broad consumer market. Imagine seeing an EOS 2000D and a Pocket 4k next to each other. I know that that isn't really a compareable pricebracket, but that speaks all the more for another target: prosumers/indie-filmmakers.
For homevideo and youtube-vlogs autofocus is really helpful, but if you go deeper than that, manual focus is definitely the way to go. You have much much more control over the images you create, but you need to be able to use it correctly. People invested in filmmaking are (most probably) willing to learn how to focus manually, but you cannot expect the same from anyone else, really.
So in my personal opinion, I think that Blackmagic should ditch internal autofocus completely and provide it for example through an external lidar-system.
People who buy Blackmagic cameras have a tendency to rig (the shit out of) their cameras, so "one more module shouldn't hurt". Provided they want autofocus in the first place.
Also: Switching off autofocus on an electronically controlled lens isn't comparible to a fully manual lens, I think.
Vintage lenses (for example), that are only glass and metal, are SO much more responsive than anything with internal focusingmotors.
There is always this lag to you rotating the focuswheel and the camera responding. ew, just ew.
So to conclude:
No, I don't want autofocus on Blackmagic cameras. Those "wasted" resources could be used to work on other things.
Rather than having a shitty autofocus system, I'd MUCH rather hand of the focuspulling to a green 1st AC, than being frustrated by the "wonders of modern technology".
Of course you don't alyways have a 1st AC on hand, but in that case, pulling focus yourself is (probably) the best option.
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Why do you need autofocus on BM cameras? They are meant to be manual
Try Sony or Canon. We dont need Blackmagic to follow hype, BM is great what it does,
You don't? But some people have asked about it. I think AF in BMD is only going to come from something like LIDAR anyways. But honestly better to get used to filming manual at some point anyways
@@FrameVoyager Some cameras are made for movies, others for blogs, others for television. Each standard is determined not only by the codec and picture quality, but above all by the operating conditions. The greatest misconception of novice videomakers is the pursuit of a universal camera that is suitable for shooting movies, youtube videos and television. A cameraman doesn't need autofocus, or a flip out screen, or sensor stabilization, or any unnecessary tab in the menu at all. Ask the cinematographer about focus. Just like a blogger doesn't need a RAW codec. A TV cameraman needs a reliable device with good sound, a strong battery, and preferably one monolithic piece.
Shooting movies is a long and painstaking process, involving many people, that is usually well thought out in advance. Automatic focus is needed when there is no time or an experienced cameraman, or to shoot special shots. If you need autofocus, look to other brands that specialize in replacing human involvement in video shooting. If you're uncomfortable with manual focus, you're probably not shooting movies.
If you imagine automatic Alexa, I assure you, the material from such a camera will be very similar to the material shot on the CANON RC5 or something like that. It is in the "manual gear" that the essence of the concept of "cinematic" is found.
@@blogpolyarnika For sure! And I'm not arguing for Autofocus in cameras because I never use AF myself. But even in cinema, automated gear is slowly being worked into productions. With a LOT more care on when exactly to implement it for sure, but without some advances in automation certain movies would be impossible.
When I talk about LIDAR autofocus as well, I almost see it more as an assistant to a focus puller where you could have a fully automatic setup if you wanted but you could also bring it down and have it as more of an assistant or something used in tricky filming environments. The nice thing with Lidar tech is you could automate an Alexa, but you wouldn't change anything internally on an Alexa so it wouldn't end up being like a cannon RC5. Lidar tech also removes focus hunting and doesn't have issues staying focused in lowlight conditions and it works with any lens.
In all this not saying everything should always be automated. But I think there are situations where you could utilize automated tech to help you get things not possible through manual means. Not for every shot or the majority of a film. I'm always for more options in the creative process if it helps me achieve the goal rather than being stuck in some kind of box of what is considered "The way" things are supposed to be done.
But I agree on the sentiment of a universal camera. You buy the tools that help you accomplish what you're trying to do!
@@FrameVoyager, thanks for the great conversation and reason to talk about important things ;).
I totally agree! When a creative idea or technical conditions require automation, it is certainly not necessary to shy away from new technological solutions. But these will always be rather unique cases that are uniquely solved by the intelligence and capabilities of the engineers on the set. This is why the film device does not have to be perfect. Because perfect is subjective. My perfect rig won't be perfect for you. The rig I use to shoot one movie won't be perfect for my other movie.
That's why BM products are masterpieces. They give you the foundation, they inspire you to search and experiment, they give you the most important things: a great picture, a unique сodak and the best user interface on Earth for the affordable price. The rest: focusing devices, batteries, stabilizers, lenses - that's the creative choice of the cinematographer. Choices that some brands (looking to sell their vision of the perfect rig) take away from the creators.
@@blogpolyarnika no problem! I actually love getting to have these conversations even if I don't agree 💯 with everyone.
Usually you have convos like this and people just start calling you unprofessional 😂 but totally agree with everything you just said! I've always been big into learning film basics and then building and experimenting after you've grounded yourself in tried and true methods.
I'm not sure it's accurate to say that lack of autofocus hasn't stopped people from buying their cameras. It's stopped me and I know a lot of people who didnt go with black magic because of lack of AF. They would sell a lot more cameras if they had it.
Well right, I mean more of who their target market was with these cameras to start with. I think that's grown more so then they could have hoped for. As a result, more people want autofocus in the cameras!
@@floreamariussorin8652 while I agree whole heatedly that manual for films makes total sense especially for storytellers. I think there is always a problem when people will just laugh or make fun of creatives trying something new out. If the tool works and you can get it to do what it needs to do and it makes your job easier? 🤷♂️
But I agree, AF not where it needs to be yet. But I think LiDar could fix a lot of issues you're talking about. Think about ai presets that could mimic human manual focus. I think that's where we're headed
@@floreamariussorin8652 you’re comparing apples to oranges here. Big budget films with large crews vs black magic users. Black magic users are usually doing lower budget small crew films or documentary work where it would absolutely be handy to have the camera pull focus for you. Autofocus is NOT just for vloggers. Wedding film makers, commercial work and gimbal use can all benefit from it and no ones going to laugh at them for using it. No one cares as long as you’re getting great shots.
Dude, this type of microphone was literally designed to be put out of a frame. Get your sh*t together
Tell that to the people that make them 😂😂😂
@@FrameVoyager what seems to be the problem? Your mic is not performing well enough?
😂 no they use them the same way I do
ease off the bass on your voice plz. Incredibly muddy at low volume
Huh 🤔 watching it on a phone? Generally interested as I try to mix for whatever device in general is used
@@FrameVoyager studio monitors, no sub. Just found your channel and love the content. Having to listen softly to not wake anyone as it early in the morning. Could be the proximity effect, being so close to your mic. Xo
🤔 maybe I'll add a bit of extra roll off. Could be just the low volume but I'll see if it's peaking in that. Could have been that video
WTF are you talking about. Their cameras DO have AF.