Another top quality production , thanks pal , this one & the Tenerife vid have meaning because I live in the canaries & have flown many times on binter into Tenerife , los rodeos airport ...take it easy ...
When will pilots learn to pull back the throttle and verify which engine before cutting fuel? I do like your presentation, not too loud or over dramatized. Keep up the good work.
Another crash happened here in almost the exact same place of this plane. 19 years prior, in 1982 a DC-10operated by Spantax overshot the then runway 14.
Okay I have the attention span of a gnat but I didn't notice any mention of landing gear being down? Could that have helped or not relevant? Or maybe that quick thinking pilot shut both engines and then went for the hat trick by retracting the gear?
I didn't either, but in a no engine approach keep gear up and flaps at a clean configuration, that will glide you much farther, in this instance he was so close, the gear down would have made the difference
I have been binge watching all your videos. The facts you present along with explanations on how systems work is amazing. I love your videos. keep up the great work,
Is there any further information as to why the F/O accidentally shutdown both engines? At first I thought that lack of training doesn't really explain that since I imagined the engine fire handles would be clearly marked and sufficiently spaced (like in Boeing planes, for example) to prevent the pilots from accidentally activating both of them, but when I looked at CN-235 cockpit pictures I couldn't find where the engine fire handles are. Could it be that their design/placement in the cockpit can be confusing for new pilots?
I flew that exact route and on that exact plane model (maybe even the same plane) about 21-22 years ago. It was quite a ride, with steep ascent and descent rates, lots of bumps in the fight... It felt very unsafe indeed, but I have to give that it has been my only flight in a smaller, propeller-powered plane.
Thanks for the interesting video. I don’t understand how two experienced pilots couldn’t tell if their engines were running. You’d think the silence would have given them a hint (as well as their instruments). And why didn’t the pilots simply look at the engines to look for smoke or fire? Strange accident that should never have happened.
"The airline was also blamed for the crash." The airline should have been the only one blamed. The fact that they stopped perations after the crash tells us all we need to know.
Eh, that rhetoric seems like a bit of reach, tbh. There are very good reasons to blame the airline. But the copilot is still also to blame, he didn’t follow procedure. He switched off an engine for no good reason.
@@DonalMountain Actually he has a point. What is more worrying is that Iberia, a huge state Airline, didn't make sure the flying and maintenance protocols were up to the standards of other European airlines. That it was closed down suggests there were more problems it didn't want to be discovered. Thats bad enough but then they buy it back and one wonders if they just carried on as before. This is supposition, of course , but it makes one wonder why they didn't just set everything right and then continue flying with a better regime in place.
Shutting down your good engine was brilliant. Black Mongoose 13 is correct the Airline is the only one to blame. No training??? Even McDonald's gives you a few weeks of training
Yay! I came down with the stomach crud last night 🤢 and this video just made my (exhausted) Saturday better. Thanks for two great videos this week! We appreciate you!
@@---------------------------z57 My city has a very very small airport, the landing strip is really short even for small planes. Is also a place where strong winds are common. It happened me twice that the pilot did not dare to land and we had to go back to Malaga.
@@emilioarroyomohamed Interesting, although it makes sense considering the borders of Mellila. Flying back to Malaga must've been very frustrating. I have flown in and out of Malaga airport a few times, good memories!
The captain was watching the runway. They were on short final, and that's what the pilot flying does. The first officer made a horrible mistake while handling the emergency. He hadn't received adequate training, but he also had a lapse of attention in an extremely high-stress situation - engine fire on short final. Any emergency at that point is incredibly stressful, and the workload is immense during a critical phase of flight. They weren't acting like clowns. The FO made a horrible mistake, and he has to live with that, along with the families of those who died.
The minute I saw the photograph of the crashed plane I knew that the passengers and the cabin crew must not have been notified of the pending crash. Since I doubted that there could be four fatalities just in the cockpit, and the rest of the plane looked totally survivable. The plane that Sully was piloting came very close to drowning passengers, because he two did not notify the cabin crew that he was ditching the plane in the water. Excuses were made for him and by him that there wasn’t time to notify the cabin crew, which is not true. It is one of the reasons that he and the copilot were held up in a hotel room for three days getting their story straight and leading there hero status grow before emerging to do a debriefing, which would normally be done within minutes of the crash, if the pilots had no injuries.
Iv'e said this on other channels ,, Why isn't there a camera on the tailplane so you can see stuff ,one each side looking back at the engines too ,,How hard could it be ??
That's being done now on some modern planes. Camera installations are modifications of the airframe, and they can't do that on existing passenger planes without extensive testing.
The engine fire lever both cuts out any fuel flow to the engine and starts the extinguishers in the engine. It's the fastest way to get an engine to extinguish. (on some aircraft, the extinguisher system is a separate switch. But on all planes, the fire lever always cuts off fuel flow)
Thank you so much for this video. I had no idea it had to do with Melilla as I just happened to click on it, but my family is from there so we used to travel each year to see my grandparents in the summer. I always remembered that before Air Nostrum was put in place by Iberia, we flew in the 90s with Iberia from Brussels on their A319/320/321 to Madrid or Malaga and then on an airline with a green logo (I have a photogenic memory) but for the life of me couldn't find the name of it. I now know it was this airline! Finally can put an end to this mistery I had since I was a little child! Also flying into Melilla is most of the times quite scary, as they use smaller turboprop planes and there's always a lot of turbulence. I can remember that on these planes the flight was horrible, it literally was like a rollercoaster ride. Later on with the Air Nostrum/Iberia ATR72-500 and 600 this issue was resolved and made the flight much more enjoyable, as the 600 is truly an enjoyable regional turboprop. Did you also know that they once had plans to fly the A318 from mainland europe to Melilla? It was cancelled last minute as studies showed that the final turn to align with the runway would cause a lot of noise related issues (from the beach you can literally throw something to the plane on final approach as they are that low).
No, not at all. Sim training is very expensive. Around 1990-91 it was $400-$600 per hour (probably double that now), and I don't know if that included the company instructor. I think that was just sim rental & sim techs operating it. Regional pilots could never afford it on their own.
Absolutely 💯 stupid! He had military experience, a c130 trainer. This was a small 2 engine turboprop passenger plane. All he would have to of done is look left or right at the engine as they are visible either side captain/Co-pilot.
ok, I was thinking it could have been the outside temperature compared to the inside temperature of the engine so I went and searched specs related to that and because they only had specs for the CN-235-300(not the CN-235-200) I had to use the CN-235-300 for the information. The ambient temperature the engine can withstand varies depending on situation, and since I don't understand these terms I will need someone to come and further explain these terms. ok the heat specs are as follows:in APR it can withstand up to an ambient temperature of 38.5 Celsius(I am not converting any of these FYI), during takeoff the engines can withstand an ambient temperature up to 38.5 Celsius, at maximum continuous flight the engines can withstand up to an ambient temperature of 41 Celsius, and during maximum cruise the engines can withstand an maximum ambient temperature of 15 Celsius. and considering the end location can reach into the 44 degrees Celsius, I can see it being the temperature difference. I will edit this comment after watching the video if I am wrong
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Another top quality production , thanks pal , this one & the Tenerife vid have meaning because I live in the canaries & have flown many times on binter into Tenerife , los rodeos airport ...take it easy ...
Thank you for presenting these in a non over dramatized manner!
Soberly.
I like your undramatic yet informative approach to your vids. If this were ACI, this episode would be something like "DEADLY false alarm"
Your videos are so high quality they deserve more views
Thank you for your kind comment :)
They really do!
Great Vids, I just Subscribed. Ty for these great videos, I thought I have seen them all, I don't know how you find these crashes, but keep it going
Agreed!!
Wild seeing the exact same field from the Spantax Flight 995 video in the opening of this one, very fascinating watch back to back.
Kinda suprise they didn't ask a crewmember to confirm if there's a fire. It would have been done very quickly with how small the aircraft is.
They didn't even inform the Flight Attendant of the situation so it seems that their communication was pretty much non-existent.
These are always extraordinarily well done. You really have a gift for education.
Thank you for your kind comment 😊
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I just found this today, so add 1 more to the list, he's going to get there with viewers like us
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Thank you for your presentation of this case, take care stay safe, we are all in this together
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When will pilots learn to pull back the throttle and verify which engine before cutting fuel? I do like your presentation, not too loud or over dramatized. Keep up the good work.
Another crash happened here in almost the exact same place of this plane. 19 years prior, in 1982 a DC-10operated by Spantax overshot the then runway 14.
There's already a video on it
I enjoy your content and presentation, thanks for not over dramatizing and keeping it clear and concise without annoying fast paced distracting music.
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Captain: Which handle did you pull.
First officer: Yes.
Ok, we have two engines, and two fire handles. One engine is on fire... time to pull both handles and then not lower the landing gear, obviously.
Another rocket scientist
Came back to re-watch this video after today’s video!
I looked down at your subscribers # expecting over a million.... Your work deserves more than this!!!! subscribed :)
Thank you
Okay I have the attention span of a gnat but I didn't notice any mention of landing gear being down? Could that have helped or not relevant? Or maybe that quick thinking pilot shut both engines and then went for the hat trick by retracting the gear?
I didn't either, but in a no engine approach keep gear up and flaps at a clean configuration, that will glide you much farther, in this instance he was so close, the gear down would have made the difference
Looking at the plane's pictures with the gear down, it does not look as it would have cushined the impact much...
on this plane the rear landing gear is basically always deployed. it's probably part of the reason this plane survived the crash as well as it did
Amazing work and quality. Thank you for these videos!
Thanks, I am thrilled you like them!
I have been binge watching all your videos. The facts you present along with explanations on how systems work is amazing. I love your videos. keep up the great work,
Is there any further information as to why the F/O accidentally shutdown both engines? At first I thought that lack of training doesn't really explain that since I imagined the engine fire handles would be clearly marked and sufficiently spaced (like in Boeing planes, for example) to prevent the pilots from accidentally activating both of them, but when I looked at CN-235 cockpit pictures I couldn't find where the engine fire handles are. Could it be that their design/placement in the cockpit can be confusing for new pilots?
I flew that exact route and on that exact plane model (maybe even the same plane) about 21-22 years ago. It was quite a ride, with steep ascent and descent rates, lots of bumps in the fight... It felt very unsafe indeed, but I have to give that it has been my only flight in a smaller, propeller-powered plane.
God bless ❤ all involved. Great video thank you
Thank you for calling the civilians who got their to render aid first, the first respondents
Such in depth quality videos
Thank you for the awesome content!
Your voice is wonderful and explanations are so clear.
Thanks for the interesting video. I don’t understand how two experienced pilots couldn’t tell if their engines were running. You’d think the silence would have given them a hint (as well as their instruments). And why didn’t the pilots simply look at the engines to look for smoke or fire? Strange accident that should never have happened.
Wow, this is really good stuff! First time I've seen tasteful and good sim represen of the accidents. Definitely subbing!
"The airline was also blamed for the crash." The airline should have been the only one blamed.
The fact that they stopped perations after the crash tells us all we need to know.
Eh, that rhetoric seems like a bit of reach, tbh. There are very good reasons to blame the airline. But the copilot is still also to blame, he didn’t follow procedure. He switched off an engine for no good reason.
@@DonalMountain Actually he has a point. What is more worrying is that Iberia, a huge state Airline, didn't make sure the flying and maintenance protocols were up to the standards of other European airlines. That it was closed down suggests there were more problems it didn't want to be discovered. Thats bad enough but then they buy it back and one wonders if they just carried on as before. This is supposition, of course , but it makes one wonder why they didn't just set everything right and then continue flying with a better regime in place.
Shutting down your good engine was brilliant. Black Mongoose 13 is correct the Airline is the only one to blame. No training??? Even McDonald's gives you a few weeks of training
@@jasoncentore1830 true
There's a CN 235 crash before Binter and Turkey airforce, Indonesia CN 235 hit mountain because of fog and wind
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Yay! I came down with the stomach crud last night 🤢 and this video just made my (exhausted) Saturday better. Thanks for two great videos this week! We appreciate you!
Woohoo! Two videos in one week! Keep up the great work.
never heard of this story! great content as usual 😁
Thanks, glad you liked it! Yeah doing a bit more digging to find stuff this week :)
my new favorite channel
Same
Great quality video, thanks! Lots of ads.
You,Air crash investigation and mentour pilot are the holy trinity of aviation 🎉
Excelent video...
These days a flightcrew without simulator training ? is that even possible ?
Continuing quality content, an incident I personally HADN`T heard of, thanks for the illumination!
Thank you I haven't heard of this one before
Underrated channel! 🙄❤️
That was excellent. I used to live not far from there. Did you use FS2020 or X-plane for the graphics, please?
Def X-Plane
@@AmauryChihuahua Yeah, she's told others she used X-plane in this period. I think she's updated since.
Way better than air crash investigations on TV
I am from Melilla, the route between Malaga and Melilla is the one with the most accidents in Spain
How come?
@@---------------------------z57 My city has a very very small airport, the landing strip is really short even for small planes. Is also a place where strong winds are common. It happened me twice that the pilot did not dare to land and we had to go back to Malaga.
@@emilioarroyomohamed Interesting, although it makes sense considering the borders of Mellila. Flying back to Malaga must've been very frustrating. I have flown in and out of Malaga airport a few times, good memories!
you are killing it
Interesting. Maybe you can do a video about: Valujet flight 592 ?
Your videos are really top quality! Kudos!!
I don't know what you used for the simulation, bug I gotta say: Once I saw IKEA I knew it was accurate
How does the CAPTAIN not realize the FIRST OFFICER turned off the wrong engine!!! How do you let 2 complete clowns fly with passengers??!!!
The captain was watching the runway. They were on short final, and that's what the pilot flying does. The first officer made a horrible mistake while handling the emergency. He hadn't received adequate training, but he also had a lapse of attention in an extremely high-stress situation - engine fire on short final. Any emergency at that point is incredibly stressful, and the workload is immense during a critical phase of flight. They weren't acting like clowns. The FO made a horrible mistake, and he has to live with that, along with the families of those who died.
Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏼
The minute I saw the photograph of the crashed plane I knew that the passengers and the cabin crew must not have been notified of the pending crash. Since I doubted that there could be four fatalities just in the cockpit, and the rest of the plane looked totally survivable. The plane that Sully was piloting came very close to drowning passengers, because he two did not notify the cabin crew that he was ditching the plane in the water. Excuses were made for him and by him that there wasn’t time to notify the cabin crew, which is not true. It is one of the reasons that he and the copilot were held up in a hotel room for three days getting their story straight and leading there hero status grow before emerging to do a debriefing, which would normally be done within minutes of the crash, if the pilots had no injuries.
I love this channel.
Can you do Aero Trasporti Italiani Flight 460?
Crazy how BM 8261 and SPANTAX 995 crashed at nearly the same spot
Why did the FO pull BOTH fire handles though? That makes no sense.
Iv'e said this on other channels ,,
Why isn't there a camera on the tailplane so you can see stuff ,one each side looking back at the engines too ,,How hard could it be ??
That's being done now on some modern planes. Camera installations are modifications of the airframe, and they can't do that on existing passenger planes without extensive testing.
Another Great Vid! Liked an Subbed!
"The airline ceased operations the very day of the crash". So they were already going out of business and probably skimping on maintenance?!
Just going through Chloes back catalogue ,,Havn't heard of this one,,
catcha on the next previous one..
Me too. It helps pass the time between new releases.
But why did the engine say fire if there was no fire?
sounds like they pulled the Death Lever. But why did the plane have that feature available?
The engine fire lever both cuts out any fuel flow to the engine and starts the extinguishers in the engine. It's the fastest way to get an engine to extinguish. (on some aircraft, the extinguisher system is a separate switch. But on all planes, the fire lever always cuts off fuel flow)
Is it possible to contribute to your Patreon and NOT be acknowledged? Remain anonymous, as it were?
The CN235 is build by Spain and Indonesia
Anyone know the name of the first song used in the video?
This is so frustrating. No training. FO freaked out and killed both engines. 🤬
9:54 why it says "Saudia"?
I assume it was on military service on Saudi Arabia maybe?
Ot it just ment "exit" in Spanish
Awesome work! TheFlightChannel looks pale in comparison...
Thank you so much for this video. I had no idea it had to do with Melilla as I just happened to click on it, but my family is from there so we used to travel each year to see my grandparents in the summer. I always remembered that before Air Nostrum was put in place by Iberia, we flew in the 90s with Iberia from Brussels on their A319/320/321 to Madrid or Malaga and then on an airline with a green logo (I have a photogenic memory) but for the life of me couldn't find the name of it. I now know it was this airline! Finally can put an end to this mistery I had since I was a little child!
Also flying into Melilla is most of the times quite scary, as they use smaller turboprop planes and there's always a lot of turbulence. I can remember that on these planes the flight was horrible, it literally was like a rollercoaster ride. Later on with the Air Nostrum/Iberia ATR72-500 and 600 this issue was resolved and made the flight much more enjoyable, as the 600 is truly an enjoyable regional turboprop.
Did you also know that they once had plans to fly the A318 from mainland europe to Melilla? It was cancelled last minute as studies showed that the final turn to align with the runway would cause a lot of noise related issues (from the beach you can literally throw something to the plane on final approach as they are that low).
That plane looks so cool
Why not checking it physically?
How? They were on short final.
W8 they didnt even tuell the passengers to put on seatbelts and go into bracing position?
Ah the CASA. The Australian “Civil Aviation Safety Authority”. The ironic link of the abbreviated name
How did the pilot die, the cockpit seemed to be in tact.
Hard head impact on the yoke
@@titan9259 that's not funny
@@dontspikemydrink9382 Are you actually joking?
Please do the Capitol Airways flight that crashed in Anchorage Alaska. 1979 I believe. I think you could make it vety intetesting...
hello
Hi
Can pilots take initiative and get flight simulator training on emergency on there own???
No, not at all. Sim training is very expensive. Around 1990-91 it was $400-$600 per hour (probably double that now), and I don't know if that included the company instructor. I think that was just sim rental & sim techs operating it. Regional pilots could never afford it on their own.
@@beenaplumber8379 thank you very much for telling me or teaching me.
I've flown Binter, from Tenerife to El Hierro
Unprofessional in the cockpit. Rip Amen 🙏 .
Absolutely 💯 stupid!
He had military experience, a c130 trainer.
This was a small 2 engine turboprop passenger plane.
All he would have to of done is look left or right at the engine as they are visible either side captain/Co-pilot.
Oh? They are visible from the cockpit? Trailing smoke and flames? That doesn't usually shoot out of the front of turboprop engines.
ok, I was thinking it could have been the outside temperature compared to the inside temperature of the engine so I went and searched specs related to that and because they only had specs for the CN-235-300(not the CN-235-200) I had to use the CN-235-300 for the information. The ambient temperature the engine can withstand varies depending on situation, and since I don't understand these terms I will need someone to come and further explain these terms. ok the heat specs are as follows:in APR it can withstand up to an ambient temperature of 38.5 Celsius(I am not converting any of these FYI), during takeoff the engines can withstand an ambient temperature up to 38.5 Celsius, at maximum continuous flight the engines can withstand up to an ambient temperature of 41 Celsius, and during maximum cruise the engines can withstand an maximum ambient temperature of 15 Celsius. and considering the end location can reach into the 44 degrees Celsius, I can see it being the temperature difference. I will edit this comment after watching the video if I am wrong
I am not a pilot, but even I know that shutting down all the engines on a plane is a bad idea
The problem is that the First Officer had NO idea. And the Captain paid with his life for trusting a panicked dummy.
@@gerardpully762 - and that sorry SOB has to carry that with him for the rest of his life.
Sad
4:31 "Numerous" would be better than "countless". Every flight is documented.
What an ugly aircraft....Having said that, there must be a way to place cameras/ mirrors somewhere that pilots can see their engines/wings?
Binter
please do time lines
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Edit: What a shmit show! To my mind the airline is primarily responsible.
Turkish Military? (2.56)
Turkey did use them
The most important lesson that I have learned from all these videos is to never fly on a Spanish airline
As a Spanish person, this kind of offends me, but if you’d don’t want to go to any Spanish airline, that’s fine
é Power-Phull
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Siempre que se muere, la culpa es del Capitán
CN 235 is Jointly manufactured by CASA and The Indonesian Aerospace (IPTN, PT. Dirgantara Indonesia now)
It's unfortunate that the crash happened on my birthday. May their souls rest in peace
I stay away from any airline that fly's roots because they are under ground!
I seen this one!💰
Another device don't bother too many commercial break
A plane that doesn't look good won't fly well....