Plane Crash On The Motorway (British Midland Flight 92) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN
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British Midland Flight 92 Crashed after both engines had supposedly failed. The pilots had to glide their plane to safety however the runway was just too far away and the plane came to a rest on the side of a busy motorway. The pilots had shut down the wrong engine which had failed.
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Nicely done. Just a quick note that the old style gauges were not actually steam powered but were just called steam gauges because they resembled the style on old steam engines.
Can you do a Germanwings 9525 video
I can wait 48 hours
hmm looks like someone took footage from the A1 near Hamburg and mirrored it to make it look like the British M1 10:17 :)
@@michaelsanger8327 Sometimes you've got to get a little creative when your provider doesn't have any footage of a British Road :)
The real reason for the confusion in shutting down the wrong engine was that the 737/400's air conditioning was powered by the number 1 engine which was never relayed to new pilots. This was different from previous 737 models which powered the air conditioning from the number 2 engine. Thus the cockpit crew thinking number 2 engine was the damaged engine because of the smoke.
I just got done explaining this in another comment actually. I’m glad to see someone else knows their stuff. I’ve watched other more in depth videos on this crash.
You mean its powered by both engines
@@Alb410 How do you interpret this?
Air crash investigation is the programme you wanna watch if you haven't already, that covers EVERYTHING and the re-enactments are pretty entertaining.
Looks like Boeing has a history in changing vital things on their 737 and not telling someone about it.
Great video! You mentioned that the pilots assumed it was the right engine because of smoke in the cabin, which they connected to the air conditioning. What I didn’t hear clearly stated was that this assumption was based on their knowledge that the right engine fed the AC, which was true on previous 737 models but which they were not aware had been changed on the 737-400. Apologies if I missed you saying this.
Nah he missed that out, well spotted. A rather important factor if you ask me.
Another important detail missed in the video is the reason why the shutting down engine number 2 initially seemed to work. By moving the trust levers, the aircraft's auto-throttle had been disengaged which up to that point had been trying to compensate for the decreased thrust from engine number 1 by giving it more fuel. Once the auto-throttle had been disabled, the fuel flow reduced and thus caused the vibrations and smoke to cease, making the pilots think they solved the problem. However, when thrust was increased on final approach, engine number 1 failed completely and the pilots now believed they suffered a double engine failure.
Captain: "I've shut down the right engine" Passengers; "No. you've shut down the wrong engine"
Visual Visual Visual.
Can't see? Captain should have asked cabin crew to LOOK OUTSIDE or he himself go look.
That's the wrong engine
Took me a second to catch that.
@@sabrecruz6721I agree, but I can't help but empathise, they're in an unfamiliar plane, experiencing an issue unlike anything they were taught or prepared to handle. They have to worry about causing panic for both safety, as well as their, and their compapanies, reputation. The thing that annoys me is that it wasn't fully tested.
Some gentle comedy
Wow, from what I understood (and read), is that the pilot survived. That must have been rough for him, normally, the captain goes down with the ship, but in this case, 47 people died and the pilot lived. That must have been traumatizing for him.
It was. Especially after it turned out he made a mistake. And he did go down with the ship. He was in there he could have died too he just didn't.
Am I the only one who thinks the pilot, given the extremely difficult and confusing circumstances (not knowing which engine was failing), actually made a superb effort in trying to make the runway in a crash landing, and damn near almost made it too. It's obviously a horrible tragedy that so many died when the plane broke up, but it's thanks to the pilot that anybody walked away from this one at all.
They did shut down the right engine, it just wasn't the right engine.
Lol 😂!! When right is wrong!!
Jeeze come on! 😫
I’m so glad you’ve finally done this!
I don’t live far from EMA and I go past Kegworth and the crash site all the time. It’s sad to think what had happened one day there.
No problem, I too have driven past the airport and Kegworth before. The site looks totally normal with no trace there was ever a plane crash there, its crazy.
Great video but just one critique.... aircraft steam guages do not actually run on steam. They are called steam guages because they resemble the old guages that used to be on boilers such as the type that were used on ships and locomotives.
Thanks. Yeah, that was a very silly mistake on my part.
@@DisasterBreakdown Keep up the great videos! Looking forward to the next one!
I remember my parents talking about this, they lived only a few minuets away from the motor way and they remember ambulances and fire engines coming past after hearing what sounded like a plane very low.
Underrated channel. Been casually binge watching your videos :)
Thank you. I am happy you like them
I drove up the M1 a few days after this tragedy ..it was obvious where the plane had impacted .. RIP .
Why didn't one of the pilots actually go check which engine failed or ask the flight attendant to check instead of guessing ??
Also as there was no fire alarm they didn’t expect that there be a flame out to see from the cabin. Also one part that was left out of the video that i belive to be import is that when they suspected that it was the A/C that caused the smoke they shut off engine number two because in previous designs the A/C was powered by that engine. However it was switched to the engine one in this design. The pilots were unaware of this.
Because the pilots thought they are hero’s and can do it on there own
@Chaz Elechia I was thinking this exact same thing.
@Chaz Elechia I was thinking this exact same thing.
@Chaz Elechia exactly. this problem of the pilots not using something just because they think it’s broken is also what happened in the TAM flight 3054 overrun incident.
My granddad was a firefighter not far from retirement in keyworth not too far from here and he attended the scene but he has never spoken about it to me or my mother. It must have been awful.
The second 'A' in FAA stands for "Administration", not "Authority".
Thanks for this, you are right. Honestly a silly mistake on my part. I had confused it with the CAA in my country (Civil Aviation Authority).
And General Electric not General Electronics...
@@markiangooley Did they make the steam engines which powered the plane's avionics?
Such an informative channel. Thank you for all your hard work in making these uploads x
Thank you for your comment
Dude,your so underrated you should have more subs
Under subbed perhaps, but certainly not underrated
I will never forget that night, I had passed the crash site on my way back from Luton where I'd been fixing snags on a Vanguard, dropped my gear off in the hangar at EMA and went for a beer at the pub in Diseworth, the place was packed as usual until pagers started going off and very quickly the place almost emptied, we all went back to the airport to help if needed but there was nothing to be done, a sad night all round.
Another main cause of the incident was the wrong knowledge of this version where the A/C was powered by the wrong engine than the previous model type..that’s another reason y engine two was powered down as there was smoke in cabinet!!
I love your hard work more than video bruh 😎 because there are a lots of other channels who uploaded videos but they only show pictures but you put some animation, that takes video to another level ❤️ 👍🏻
Thank you. I'm thrilled you like my videos
I still remember seeing those 737's from British Midland at Schiphol. But I never knew the story behind this crash.
This was in my last few months in the RAF and I had spent a week up in Carlisle for Lockerbie and had got back to my base late Friday night, only to be called out to there early Monday morning. One of the strange aspects of the crash was the British Midlands headquarters was less than a mile away at Donington Hall
GE stands for General Electric, not “Electronics”...
Rest In Peace to all who died. Critical reminder for pilots to always confirm the correct engine and when in doubt keep both running.
Yep. Let them run if you can't tell which is failing. The engine with problems will stop itself eventually, and the remaining engines might get you all the way to the airport... Or the scene of the crash. Either way, at least you didn't cut your good engine.
Better yet, reduce speed on both engines to tame vibration first. When vibration is no longer an urgent issue, then take time to diagnose the engines.
Yeah run them both until flame starts on the faulty engine and consume the entire plane. Genius.
@@OchaFauzan01 Would you rather risk stalling and crashing? If I was a pilot. I'd use both engine faulty or not to atleast make sure I'm not in stalling speed before doing checks on the engines.
@@arpsichord7474 that's why you're not a pilot
Omg 😱 how would you cope knowing as the pilot that you was responsible for 48 deaths
If you knew the reason for the pilots actions, you'd know that's a comment air midland should have addressed.
You always have such great videos! I love supporting great channels. Fingers crossed we get a video on the Air New Zealand Mount Erebus crash. i recently found that there are pictures inadvertently taken during and immediately after the crash by one of the passengers.
That one has been requested a few times and is on the list. If I can find those pictures though, that could make for an interesting video. Thanks for your support as always.
I remember going past the crash site about a month after the crash. The banking had a huge black mark where the plane had crashed.
I think you have met your calling. I could listen to you talk all day. Very clear and articulate! I also think you present the information in a straight forward manner, very factual. Glad I found your channel.🙂
Recommendation 4.13 of the AAIB report is that pilots who hadn't seen these electronic flight displays before should have a familiarisation in the simulator before flying public transport aircraft with them. In other words, reading a book doesn't qualify you to jump from 737-200 to 737-400. A lesson that was apparently forgotten when 737-7/800 pilots were handed an iPad and told to go read about the new 737 MAX.
Many thanks for doing the investigation into this crash. i always wondered exactly what went wrong.
No problem, I'm happy you liked the video.
I actually flew BMI back in 2003 when my family moved to Sunderland. I can’t remember the flight much but I looked it up years later. We flew on an Airbus A330.
A friend of my parents was a passenger on the plane, he was one of the survivors
My dad has been a frequent motorcycle racer at Donington park over the years, I remember when I was younger him telling me about the accident when we’ve driven along the road, the planes take off right over the circuit and it’s always amazing to watch them
Being from Nottingham and alive when this happened, this video brings back memories wow
The music was so lovely in this video. It is a very nice calming element when listening to accident reports. Cat on my chest, cookies on hand, summer rain outside… and your voice makes me feel very safe. Great channel. What are your pronouns, if you don’t mind me asking?
Hi, thanks :) My Pronouns are she/her
I am Trans.
It makes me tired
What’s baffling is that they didn’t bother leaving the cockpit to double-check which engine was on fire. Or why none of the flight attendants relayed the information…
This is ridiculous! Why on Earth didn’t anyone listen to the passengers reporting left hand engine failure. My god
It seems as ridiculous to me as it does to you, but the fact is that the training of cabin crew at the time didn't encourage them to speak up the way they would now. As for the passengers, there was a general attitude of "the pilots must know what they're doing." It seems crazy that nobody was banging on the door screaming at the pilots about the engine situation.
Cant we have cameras so that pilots can actually see whats going on with the engines?
Bit of feedback - what would really make these videos perfect is if you add in the cockpit voice recording too.
Thank you for your videos. I love them! Super informative and interesting
Thank you so much for your nice comment
You do know the gauges aren't actually steam powered right?
Now, this is one that’s very close to my heart
I still don’t understand why pilots need to guess what might be going on with their plane when passengers can clearly tell. That lack of communication between the flight deck and the cabin seems strange.
Love this channel. Wonderful job on this one !
Thank you, I'm happy you like it
What I never understood was you have all this tech but no camera with a screen that shows the pilots what the engines look like? They always have to go back into the cabin to look out the windows… seems like slot of these shutting wrong engine stuff could be prevented with an engine cam
Or even just mirrors like on a car.
I don't understand why commercial airliners don't have external cameras at key points. Looking at a lot of AC disaster investigations, it would have been resolved by the flight crew having an external camera view,
This happened only 10 miles from my house, I go past the crash site all the time
Wow 😨😰😓
I hope that an engine failure is far easier to identify now.
I worked on this aircraft as an engineer for BMI, the new engine instrument display panel was very compact. The engine vibration indicator was only about 15mm in diameter. The pointers were only a few LEDs moving around the indicator, as mentioned, so not easily viewed. The previous analogue instruments were much easier to view. Unfortunately, this contributed to the accident.
This accident sounds soooo stupid. On one hand aren't pilots suppose to double check the faulty engine to confirm? And what were the cabin crew members doing? I imagine the passengers would have obviously told them the left engine was the one on fire, smdh
It boggles my mind that it traveled this far on a bad engine. But no one. Passengers, flight crew, no one. Called out that the active engine is on fire. And tell them to restart engine 2.
Great video! Always love your vids!
Thank you
No problem!
I flew with them from Teesside Airport to Heathrow in 1973 as they acted as a feeder to South African Airways.I can't remember what type of plane BM used but it was like a little VC 10.SAA used a 747 London to Johannesburg via Las Palmas and Salisbury now called Harare.East Midlands Airport is near 3 cities; Nottingham, Leicester and Derby.Lincoln is the other city in the East Midlands but it's not near that airport some people might put Peterborough in the EM too but I'd say it's the south .
100% fault of the PIC. Even if he or she couldn't exit the cockpit, before shutting down an engine, it seems ludicrous that they wouldn't ask a crew member to look out the window.
Hint. The Captains name was Kevin Hunt. How many girls do you know who are called Kevin? What would you expect to see looking out of the window? It’s a Jet Engine, which the vast majority of is obscured by the wing, there was No Engine Fire Warning in the cockpit, because there was no fire in the engine at that stage! Merely high vibration due to a failing Fan Blade. The fire that was seen from the cabin was at the outlet stage of the engine, called the Tail Pipe, there is no fire warning loop there for obvious reasons. And it’s night! Which is left and which is right? Depends which way you are looking! The real problem was poor communication between the cabin crew and the flight deck crew, this would later prove disastrous! There were several other factors involved, but I’m not going into that here! Several passengers seated near the tail, told the cabin crew that they saw flames coming from the left engine, on their side facing forward. Which is left and right again? depends which way you are pointing yes! Despite all this, none, or very little of this vital information ever reached the flight deck crew! The vibration stopped when the number one engine was idled for descent, it was only when power was applied to it again for the approach that it exploded! I flew the Boeing 737-300/400 and 500 for BMA from 1994-1999.
@@pikachu6031 Dear Mr. Hunt. Still your fault.
@@kcgunesq It’s “Captain” Hunt! You retain your Rank, after you retire. For ignorant people like yourself, quick to pass judgment on others so quickly and easily, without all the relevant facts! yes, legally the Captain of a U.K. Registered Aeroplane.....Cannot make a mistake, However, there are usually mitigating circumstances, especially in this case. Try reading what I have written again for a start. I recommend you read the full Accident Report, which is available online. Luckily, I never had any I’m my career! Also, for your information. A girl that I went to Primary and Secondary School with, who lived across the road from me, her elder Sister was tragically killed on BMA Flight 93. Our Crew Check-In, at LHR was managed by a former Cabin Crew member, who was on Flight 93. He ended up hanging upside down in his harness, in the inverted tail section of theB737-400! So traumatised, he never flew again! Told me everything about it though, things the public will never get to hear!!
@@pikachu6031 Yeah, I got to the point when you referred to a job title as a "rank". Otherwise, TL:DR.
@@kcgunesq Airline Captain is a Rank. My late father was a retired Airline Pilot. As he had attained the rank of Captain, he kept his title. He was always known as Captain Phillips, not Mr. The Airline industry is not referred to a a job, but rather a career. The amount of training and knowledge required is enormous. I was a Captain but only single Pilot, that’s why I don’t use it. I retired as a Senior First Officer. Second in command. You should read all. I always do!
This is great work that you do
Damn love this channel but as of the last year East Midlands is my local airport and Belfast was always home before, thought this stuff was only supposed to happen in places far away!
I love your videos! Thank you so much for creating these. Have a lovely day!
Thanks for your comment
this channel is so cool. love your voice man, no homo lol
They should have relayed the information to the pilots regarding the engine flaming.. Omg. This is crazy
I was 10 years old and I remember this on the news.
My stepdad worked at the local hospital at the time of the accident. He was a porter so took a lot of bodies to the morgue 😢 he told me that he was at home when the crash happened and was called into work
It very cool that you upload again
I'm surprised that anyone survived that.
Sidebar - actually had to read-up on those "steam gauges" you mentioned 🤤 not quite what I was imagining but that's a good thing 🤣
What is this Port Blue mixed with Xenoblade Chronicles 2 music?
I like it.
at 1:52 you said general electronic; GE stands for General Electric
We know
I love how they fixed everything except the rudder
The music at 2:37 is haunting but I like it
Double check when in doubt.
I was a military passenger on this flight sitting in 17A and as a long term consequence lost my wife to suicide from the emotion caused by this disaster...I also want to add it wasn't 47 that died but 53 and I say no more on that subject...
So far in the UK, there has never been a crash since
There have.
so they could not look out the window and see it was the left one?
Awesome video, thank you!
Crazy how this happened less than 5 miles from my house.
has anyone done a in depth video like this on the forgotten british airways flight 411 that crashed in to a house in wythenshawe manchester i can find no videos on that now i know why they call it the forgotten flight
name of the soundtrack please? sounds so comforting
And nobody thought to make a visual inspection?
OK, that is not entirely fair on Boeing. You state it is a design flaw in the 737. This is incorrect. The design flaw is in the engine, which Boeing had no hand in. Your statement that it is a design flaw of the 737 is pretty misleading.
I know it's easy the bash Boeing, but doing so just damages the veracity of your videos.
Boeing designed the instrumentation layout which was a contributing factor.
What a terrible mistake
I'm from this area and remember this happening when I was a teenager - one evening I looked out of my bedroom and saw what looked like hundreds of flashing blue lights in the distance. I told my mum and dad and we later found out what had happened. Obviously I didn't see anything, we are on the other side of the valley and we can look across to the M1 motorway and the airport. The thing I remember most was hearing that there were so many onlookers, the emergency services could not reach the scene of the accident and that really scared me for those people. A few years later I flew with British Midland, I was terrified of flying at the time (that accident didn't help my fears!) and I told one of the cabin crew. During the flight, the pilots invited me into the cockpit (pre 9-11 of course) - they explained a lot of things to me and after that I began to educate myself and now I love to fly. This was a terrible event and I still think about all of the people involved.
What would be wrong with installing cameras showing engines up close and a small display that pilots can switch on or access to veiw engine
Conditions
If the usefulness of something like this would outweigh the cost and maintenance problems, they would probably have already done it.
I can't believe that there still isn't cameras on the fuselage pointed towards each engine! Even a automotive backup camera for $30 bucks or something would help! I've watched so many videos about pilots not being able to determine what's going on with their wings/engines and later end up wasting valuable time in these situations.
I can’t believe that you don’t know that new planes have them.
Why do you refuse to say England?
Why does he need to say England.
I love these videos!! 😍
wow i’ve flown from ema a lot and never heard about this
May you do a video about US Airways 1549
My grandfather was in that crash
Cool !
dude you need more subscribers
General Electric not Electronic.
It was criminally irresponsible not to flight test a brand new passenger jet engine design
I guess the flames coming out of the #1 wasn't a giveaway
You should do the Shoreham Airshow Crash!
1:28 boeing removed steam powered analog display😂😂
General Electric and at the time SNECMA, not General Electronic or Safran.
Lol routine emergency approach is an oxymoron
Do any passenger jets - Boeing or Airbus - have any cameras that can show the crew the outside of the plane? Is this possible or would it cause too much drag or...?
How can complete and proper engine tests not be done on these new engines!?
Fancy not having cameras on the engines...
I wonder why the fire alarm didn't sound sooner.
I feel like there should be at least one pilot with a minimum of 1000 hours on a plane type that carries passengers. I’ve watched so many air disasters episodes where low hours of experience on a plane type is a factor. This isn’t first accident pilots have shut down the wrong engine either, I’ve always thought that a copilot should go look themselves in situations like this when time allows because even the passengers knew which engine was out.
it would have been hard for them to do that on this flight, as it was a new plane.
@@isthatrubble that’s a good point I totally forgot that part thanks. It was kind of the same as the previous version though? Maybe more simulator training or check rides would have been better if good simulators even existed back then. It was kind of harrowing how few hours this team had imo lol both under 50 I think.