24:51 I think it’s important to note Touhou has a large amount of fan content (and characters as stated in the video) Because fan created content is the backbone of mugen it was inevitable an overlap would have happened.
There's actually a darker history of the original mugen devs. they did a kickstarter type fund raiser, and it was for mugen to be a side scroller shooter game. however, it functioned better as a 2d fighter. gained a large following, and many people donated to the cause. The devs launched the engine for dos initially. then built a solid linux version, but was hard to create characters due to the major fan base being on windows systems. so they teased everyone with a working beta of the "mugen for windows". and asked for more money from the fans, to finish making the windows version stable. This is the dark part. After receiving a LOT of money from investors/fans. they just vanished. Took the money and ran. it was at least 6 months before someone reversed engineered the windows beta, and released the now, hacked open source code. after hundreds of characters were created, many game version compilations built, and the mugen scene blowing up, they was still no word from any dev. after about a year, people started making characters for their own custom build, and made them more stable and high frame rate than even the AAA titles of the era. They wanted to charge fans for these builds, on a "stolen" engine. THAT'S when the original mugen devs finally came back, and made a big stink about what happened to the windows engine. After fans fixed their windows beta, and made it a polished, finished game engine, ready to code easily by even average pc users. They wanted to sue everyone for the work everyone else did for them, and make everyone that used the engine, pay for the games they compiled. The mugen scene took a huge nose dive during this time. MANY great creators quit. which made Fake creators pop up everywhere. Stealing the works, and changing the credits to their names. MANY of the characters used today, that were ripped from REAL fighting games, are just stolen sprites from the original creators. stolen sprites became so bad, even the devs backed off, because they must've realized the case was pointless among so many cheaters. The devs got what they deserved, for stealing the donations from fans to finish the windows version to be stable, and bailing on them. I was there from the start of mugen. from the 3d side scroller idea/demo, to the downfall of the community. the number 1 site for all thing mugen, used to be "The Mugen Fighter Guild" which had countless creator pages, hundreds of characters from all over the world, to a meer shell of what once was. mugenguild.com. I myself quit, when this crap all went down. I used to compile full games for people. Became too much headache with removing the stolen sprite credits, and restoring the original creator's names back into their works
holy shit! im new to the mugen community, found out about it when i was 6 years old, im now 15, almost 16 and im glad that people still have passion in this community, but i wish i was there to see when mugen was at its peak, or maybe i dont, maybe its for the best at the current state it is now
I'm a sucker for Trivia and videogame knowledge! Great video, M.U.G.E.N was something that interested me as a kid but I never really got down the rabbit hole!
7:46 I know it’s given how insane crossovers can be but wtf is that a fucking Hylics stage with Guts berserk and Utsuho touhou fighting?! good god Edit: LOL no way there’s an entire chapter/section on Touhou
Good video. I appreciate the youtube chapters/timestamps I like the random cut-ins especially since they feel necessary. Also I find whenever you can’t hold back your laughter when presenting the next topic is pretty funny
Hey there! I made those Saul and Huell edits you showcased at the beginning of the video. Its great to see my characters are bringing people enjoyment haha ❤ Great Iceberg im suprised I only just got recommended it now. Keep up the awesome work on your videos.
literally my favorite icebergs are the mugen ones, along ofc with a few theory ones and ones based on my favorite things like horror n stuff. but yea nice video dude keep up the good work.
as a person who loves M.U.G.E.N. (in theory) but can't be asked to download a bunch of shit to make it entertaining, i love this video also the OFF music...
@@sungazercyan looking forward to it! always a fan of these iceberg videos -especially when it's one with my dragon chars on it- . nice way to spend an hour or two tbh
Tecnically M.U.G.E.N isn't open source. It is abondonware, and there is Ikeman-GO as a fully MIT-licenced version of M.U.G.E.N if you want to play a heavily updated version of M.U.G.E.N
Why do you pronounce it as mew-jin instead of moo-gen? Anyways, nice video. I.K.E.M.E.N is also a nice alternative option. A dev is currently in the works of adding rollback to the engine itself. Also, check out some actual games made with it if you haven't already. I could give you more info if you would like.
Next part I cover more of the full games in depth like The Black Heart and Hyper DBZ and I think there's more in the next few tiers after that as well. Lots of really interesting stuff especially as far as IKEMEN is concerned. As for pronunciation it's just how I've said it since like 2008, I know the Japanese word is moo-gen but I've just never said m.u.g.e.n. that way.
@Sungazer certain characters can do more than just the normal 12 palettes, something the POTS color select code works or something similar. I'm working on a game myself actually.
Are hi res sprites supported? Eg. The sprites from streets of rage 4? I’ve only seen retro pixel sprites used. That white thing at the 11:27 mark is the most detailed one I’ve seen in MUGEN.
I mean any sprites are supported but since the game officially only runs at a maximum of 1280x720 you can only get so detailed with them (so not true HD in this case). There are a ton of characters that are made from hi-res sprites, ripped 3d models and higher quality original art you just have to work around the limitation of the engine, no matter how high res the sprites are it's always gonna be squashed down to 720p
It took me a hot minute to find it again it’s Cyberpunk 2077 Night City 3D by tigregoods. That transition isn’t from the stage though that’s a mechanic The Melancholy has (which I think itself is pulled from Guilty Gear Strive)
I think it’s more so the fact that it’s the one singular Donald that’s constantly edited. There’s probably more Ryus and Ioris but there’s so many different versions of them from different games and series I wouldn’t count them as the same kind of edits
I'm looking to get into Mugen, but I have a few questions for those who have used it. I know it's not for commercial use, but is it possible to export entire games and make a completely original fighting game to call your own? Or is it a platform that characters are added to online?
So outside of commercial selling of full games you can totally make original games you just have to release them for free. That's what a lot of the fangames are; just prepacked MUGEN installations. The next part covers some more original outings like Battle Craze and Babel Sword. A lot of these games end up being made in IKEMEN however, due to more features, a most consistent engine and the option to release them with intent of monetization
It's disappointing that nobody has made a game with a few hundred QUALITY characters and removed infinites/adjusted damage to balance it hosted a tourney. I picture a big community all voting on what to nerf/buff till it's as balanced as you can get it. The characters must also be quality and not look out of place, a bunch of neogeo/capcom characters. Then start playing online tourneys. It has the potential to be the greatest competitive fighting game of all time, but all i've seen in tourneys is jank. So much wasted potential.
It really wouldn’t be M.U.G.E.N, then, it would just be…Generic Smash Bros Clone #85. I get the idea, but MUGEN is SUPPOSED to be random and unbalanced. Not all MUGENs are, obviously, but the charm of it comes from its chaotic nature. Take that away and you have a generic crossover fighter.
@@SenatorArmstrong2018 For me that's not what mugen is at all, for me it's about match ups that don't exist in an official release, like Shermie 98 vs Street fighter 3 Hugo, Kof Vanessa or Heavy D vs Balrog/Dudley. Samurai Shodown vs Last Blade, etc. Mugen doesn't exist just to have terrible broken matches. It was made to have dream matches that weren't otherwise possible. With balanced characters it's no different than capcom vs snk 2 which has several different fighting game mechanics you can choose for each seperate character. Yeah it's funny to see Tom Hanks one shot every thing a few times, but people don't painstakingly recreate characters with all their frame data the same just so they can be 1 shot by omega giga sonic pikachu #23415. My friends and I played marvel capcom 2, then we made our own in mugen and balanced it, it was way more fun than any other fighter especially with 2vs2. Think of it like a bunch of legos, it's like having a bunch of tools like paint brushes, paints, canvases, etc, and then choosing the throw them at each other because it's funny instead of making something that's worthwhile and will last a long time. You don't have to follow the rules in chess or checkers, but that would entirely defeat the purpose and fun of the game.
Elecbyte’s download page is still up for the straight up executables with full game screenpacks available on warehousing sites like the Archive or FFA. Otherwise don’t worry too much about safety as far as characters and stages go; anything containing malware is a) exceedingly rare and b) mostly only for winmugen. As long as you’re getting your source .exes from legitimate places then you’ll be fine.
Well just got a probation after waiting 24hrs when I logged in for unusual traffic (didn’t use VPN either) any other place I can look for the game download I can’t find the download in the Elecbyte page
Nah the band came first, I found that out like six months after I started using this name lmao. There’s also a species of lizard called the sungazer lizard I only found out about that like a month ago
That’s actually a great idea. I think I’ll still leave the cheapies in this video but doing a whole video about them sounds super interesting. I’ll keep it brief in the iceberg though just some basic information
Seems like a good video but I couldn’t watch. You kept saying it wrong. It’s pronounced moo-gen, I know it’s spelt mugen but that’s how it’s supposed to sound like.
Its unfortunate that you have made a whole video about mugen but there is no mention of the Kingdom of NEGUM ... The Land of The Strongest Mugen Players In The Existence of Mugen and The NEGUM Library ... The Largest free Character Library That Is Close To Surpassing The Mugen Archive In The Next Few months ... if You Don't Know About the Kingdom of NEGUM Your Research Into Mugen Is Lacking
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24:51 I think it’s important to note Touhou has a large amount of fan content (and characters as stated in the video) Because fan created content is the backbone of mugen it was inevitable an overlap would have happened.
I hope MUGEN archive's history of being a terrible site is on this iceberg
Why is that?
@@IKugelBlitz_V MUGEN Archive has a long history of being terrible to newbies and other minor/major reasons.
@@dinosaurnerdbut we can't say it doesnt do a good work at preservation and being a very good catalog
@@tahaessonnoun9583 Of course, it has a LOT of characters and stages.
I registered last year
Still waiting for mods to approve it
There's actually a darker history of the original mugen devs. they did a kickstarter type fund raiser, and it was for mugen to be a side scroller shooter game.
however, it functioned better as a 2d fighter. gained a large following, and many people donated to the cause. The devs launched the engine for dos initially. then built a solid linux version, but was hard to create characters due to the major fan base being on windows systems. so they teased everyone with a working beta of the "mugen for windows". and asked for more money from the fans, to finish making the windows version stable. This is the dark part.
After receiving a LOT of money from investors/fans. they just vanished. Took the money and ran. it was at least 6 months before someone reversed engineered the windows beta, and released the now, hacked open source code. after hundreds of characters were created, many game version compilations built, and the mugen scene blowing up, they was still no word from any dev.
after about a year, people started making characters for their own custom build, and made them more stable and high frame rate than even the AAA titles of the era. They wanted to charge fans for these builds, on a "stolen" engine. THAT'S when the original mugen devs finally came back, and made a big stink about what happened to the windows engine. After fans fixed their windows beta, and made it a polished, finished game engine, ready to code easily by even average pc users. They wanted to sue everyone for the work everyone else did for them, and make everyone that used the engine, pay for the games they compiled. The mugen scene took a huge nose dive during this time. MANY great creators quit. which made Fake creators pop up everywhere. Stealing the works, and changing the credits to their names. MANY of the characters used today, that were ripped from REAL fighting games, are just stolen sprites from the original creators. stolen sprites became so bad, even the devs backed off, because they must've realized the case was pointless among so many cheaters. The devs got what they deserved, for stealing the donations from fans to finish the windows version to be stable, and bailing on them.
I was there from the start of mugen. from the 3d side scroller idea/demo, to the downfall of the community.
the number 1 site for all thing mugen, used to be "The Mugen Fighter Guild" which had countless creator pages, hundreds of characters from all over the world, to a meer shell of what once was. mugenguild.com.
I myself quit, when this crap all went down. I used to compile full games for people. Became too much headache with removing the stolen sprite credits, and restoring the original creator's names back into their works
holy shit! im new to the mugen community, found out about it when i was 6 years old, im now 15, almost 16 and im glad that people still have passion in this community, but i wish i was there to see when mugen was at its peak, or maybe i dont, maybe its for the best at the current state it is now
this is a pretty good video, i've been doing mugen content for a long time and seeing people who share this interest with this game makes me smile ngl
I'm a sucker for Trivia and videogame knowledge!
Great video, M.U.G.E.N was something that interested me as a kid but I never really got down the rabbit hole!
This is THE mugen iceberg video series, you are pretty talented and wish the algorithm to be nice to you.
7:46 I know it’s given how insane crossovers can be but wtf
is that a fucking Hylics stage with Guts berserk and Utsuho touhou fighting?! good god
Edit: LOL no way there’s an entire chapter/section on Touhou
Good video. I appreciate the youtube chapters/timestamps
I like the random cut-ins especially since they feel necessary. Also I find whenever you can’t hold back your laughter when presenting the next topic is pretty funny
Very good video :) I only knew that mugen was the ultimate crossover fighting game, but this video explained so much to me! Congrats
Touhou is like Warhammer. There's subtle and overt references everywhere, but you never think about them until you get into it.
Oh god that’s so real
Hey there! I made those Saul and Huell edits you showcased at the beginning of the video. Its great to see my characters are bringing people enjoyment haha ❤ Great Iceberg im suprised I only just got recommended it now. Keep up the awesome work on your videos.
Honestly those are some sick characters thank you for making them
@@sungazercyan It was my pleasure Mugen has a severe lack of BB/BCS Characters 😂
As someone who has mugened all over the place, I approve of your message
literally my favorite icebergs are the mugen ones, along ofc with a few theory ones and ones based on my favorite things like horror n stuff. but yea nice video dude keep up the good work.
ayy, my BBD-R JUS is in here!
thanks for using it!!
That is so sick, thank you for making it
This is surprisingly interesting and well-made.
Damn even you here sheeeeeeeesh
@@someguywithalowbudget1320 I'm everywhere 😄
@@Proidysweet bro thinks he's Christopher moon💀💀💀
This was really enjoyable, i can't wait for the next part. consider me your 20th subscriber and 20th liker (liker, is that even a word?)
as a person who loves M.U.G.E.N. (in theory) but can't be asked to download a bunch of shit to make it entertaining, i love this video
also the OFF music...
the most amazing thing i find about mugen is that you can put anyone and anything!
Saltybet is how i pass the time when I'm depressed lol
Fun video, and good production quality! Looking forwards to watching the next one. :))
Man this video was really good I can’t wait for part 2
Thank you very much, part 2 should hopefully be out soon
@@sungazercyan looking forward to it! always a fan of these iceberg videos -especially when it's one with my dragon chars on it- . nice way to spend an hour or two tbh
whoa no crappy mic or bad writing and narration????? sick vid/channel! u earned a sub :)
I used to play this back in the 2000s with my cousin, good times :)
This guy probably knows the most out of all iceberg people what he's doing but somehow this only got 26k views
Subscribed because I also like m.u.g.e.n. as well!
Tecnically M.U.G.E.N isn't open source. It is abondonware, and there is Ikeman-GO as a fully MIT-licenced version of M.U.G.E.N if you want to play a heavily updated version of M.U.G.E.N
A voiced M.U.G.E.N. Iceberg? Let's get it.
Why do you pronounce it as mew-jin instead of moo-gen? Anyways, nice video. I.K.E.M.E.N is also a nice alternative option. A dev is currently in the works of adding rollback to the engine itself. Also, check out some actual games made with it if you haven't already. I could give you more info if you would like.
Next part I cover more of the full games in depth like The Black Heart and Hyper DBZ and I think there's more in the next few tiers after that as well. Lots of really interesting stuff especially as far as IKEMEN is concerned. As for pronunciation it's just how I've said it since like 2008, I know the Japanese word is moo-gen but I've just never said m.u.g.e.n. that way.
@Sungazer certain characters can do more than just the normal 12 palettes, something the POTS color select code works or something similar. I'm working on a game myself actually.
Dude mugen is pronounced with a hard G as in “golf”
Me: "can I still add characters I created myself?"
Oh lord my OC roster is chaos if they are in M.U.G.E.N oh shhhhiet
is that fucking worms ultimate mayhem music i hear in the background? UNIMAGINABLY based.....
That Dark Souls parry sound effect for the transition really scratches my brain.
Awesome video, btw do you know what the name of the stage at 4:35 is?
Are hi res sprites supported? Eg. The sprites from streets of rage 4? I’ve only seen retro pixel sprites used. That white thing at the 11:27 mark is the most detailed one I’ve seen in MUGEN.
I mean any sprites are supported but since the game officially only runs at a maximum of 1280x720 you can only get so detailed with them (so not true HD in this case). There are a ton of characters that are made from hi-res sprites, ripped 3d models and higher quality original art you just have to work around the limitation of the engine, no matter how high res the sprites are it's always gonna be squashed down to 720p
@@sungazercyan thanks for answering!
OH NAH WHAT is that stage at 4:36? that stage transition is so cool wtf
It took me a hot minute to find it again it’s Cyberpunk 2077 Night City 3D by tigregoods. That transition isn’t from the stage though that’s a mechanic The Melancholy has (which I think itself is pulled from Guilty Gear Strive)
@@sungazercyan Holy crap I didn't expect you to back to me in record time like that. thank you!
What can I say, I work for the people
Thank you so much for this dawg ❤️✊🏽
Amazing vid! Perfect passionate content i was looking for!
28:38 = Kula, K’, Kyo, Iori, Oswald, Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Orochi, Mizuchi and the Super Mario Bros: Are we a joke to you?
I think it’s more so the fact that it’s the one singular Donald that’s constantly edited. There’s probably more Ryus and Ioris but there’s so many different versions of them from different games and series I wouldn’t count them as the same kind of edits
I'm looking to get into Mugen, but I have a few questions for those who have used it.
I know it's not for commercial use, but is it possible to export entire games and make a completely original fighting game to call your own? Or is it a platform that characters are added to online?
So outside of commercial selling of full games you can totally make original games you just have to release them for free. That's what a lot of the fangames are; just prepacked MUGEN installations. The next part covers some more original outings like Battle Craze and Babel Sword. A lot of these games end up being made in IKEMEN however, due to more features, a most consistent engine and the option to release them with intent of monetization
Крутое видео, Молодец!
It's disappointing that nobody has made a game with a few hundred QUALITY characters and removed infinites/adjusted damage to balance it hosted a tourney. I picture a big community all voting on what to nerf/buff till it's as balanced as you can get it. The characters must also be quality and not look out of place, a bunch of neogeo/capcom characters. Then start playing online tourneys. It has the potential to be the greatest competitive fighting game of all time, but all i've seen in tourneys is jank. So much wasted potential.
It really wouldn’t be M.U.G.E.N, then, it would just be…Generic Smash Bros Clone #85.
I get the idea, but MUGEN is SUPPOSED to be random and unbalanced. Not all MUGENs are, obviously, but the charm of it comes from its chaotic nature.
Take that away and you have a generic crossover fighter.
@@SenatorArmstrong2018 For me that's not what mugen is at all, for me it's about match ups that don't exist in an official release, like Shermie 98 vs Street fighter 3 Hugo, Kof Vanessa or Heavy D vs Balrog/Dudley. Samurai Shodown vs Last Blade, etc. Mugen doesn't exist just to have terrible broken matches. It was made to have dream matches that weren't otherwise possible. With balanced characters it's no different than capcom vs snk 2 which has several different fighting game mechanics you can choose for each seperate character.
Yeah it's funny to see Tom Hanks one shot every thing a few times, but people don't painstakingly recreate characters with all their frame data the same just so they can be 1 shot by omega giga sonic pikachu #23415. My friends and I played marvel capcom 2, then we made our own in mugen and balanced it, it was way more fun than any other fighter especially with 2vs2.
Think of it like a bunch of legos, it's like having a bunch of tools like paint brushes, paints, canvases, etc, and then choosing the throw them at each other because it's funny instead of making something that's worthwhile and will last a long time. You don't have to follow the rules in chess or checkers, but that would entirely defeat the purpose and fun of the game.
how tf so I dl mogen I tried yesterday and was having a hard time bunch of errors all types of stuff I want the ultimate edition
2:51 Huh, I think that's the TFGAF Baldi character I made years ago. Surprised to see it here.
I want to get into this but I’m not sure where to download, any advice on what places are safe to get it?
Elecbyte’s download page is still up for the straight up executables with full game screenpacks available on warehousing sites like the Archive or FFA. Otherwise don’t worry too much about safety as far as characters and stages go; anything containing malware is a) exceedingly rare and b) mostly only for winmugen. As long as you’re getting your source .exes from legitimate places then you’ll be fine.
Thanks currently waiting for the day verification for mugen archive can’t wait to use it
Well just got a probation after waiting 24hrs when I logged in for unusual traffic (didn’t use VPN either) any other place I can look for the game download I can’t find the download in the Elecbyte page
Mugen archive IP banned me for no reason is there any other place that’s a good place to download from?
Hey did you know there’s a band named after you?
And they made this really sick song called “threshold”?
Nah the band came first, I found that out like six months after I started using this name lmao.
There’s also a species of lizard called the sungazer lizard I only found out about that like a month ago
@@sungazercyan yeeaaah I know the band came first. I was just messin’ with ya
It would be worth to make a whole video about cheapies and then leave them out. The rest of the engine history is faaaar more interesting than that.
That’s actually a great idea. I think I’ll still leave the cheapies in this video but doing a whole video about them sounds super interesting. I’ll keep it brief in the iceberg though just some basic information
Aah, A-Bomb, my beloved
7:00 another good example is omni man in mk1
The Melancholy looks dope
BRO THE FIRST FEW MILLISECONDS BEING ROBO KY GOT ME HOOKED LMAO 🤖🤖🤖‼️‼️‼️🔥🔥🔥
3:43
yo whats that stage
26:26 probably unintentional but still funny
16:16 what's
the name of this screen pack?
It’s MUGEN Megamix HD
@@sungazercyan i think that's the wrong one
omg x vs zero spotted
Absolute banger track
What's the intro song?
Hello Kprojects from past, it's X vs Zero - Megaman X5
YES! MUGEN! PLAY BATTLE CRAZE!
I don't know any games called mujen
Elecbyte was the NSA.
I hate the way you pronounce it but respect your right to say it wrong.
Saul Goodman
Sup second or thrid watch, I wont promise a sub, because I am strongly for honesty, we'll see
why mujen bruh its mugen
Is it pronounced Moo-gen or Mooge-en?
its not mujen its mugen just like it sounds
Off ost detected.
its not pronounced mujen
I could not find snoop dogg or kanye west
i was expecting mugen the roblox game but i shouldve expected this with the thumbnail
That's My mom birthdays release it.
Seems like a good video but I couldn’t watch. You kept saying it wrong. It’s pronounced moo-gen, I know it’s spelt mugen but that’s how it’s supposed to sound like.
L roblox avatar fr, but W video. Also, it's pronounced Mugen, not Mujin.
Its unfortunate that you have made a whole video about mugen but there is no mention of the Kingdom of NEGUM ... The Land of The Strongest Mugen Players In The Existence of Mugen and The NEGUM Library ... The Largest free Character Library That Is Close To Surpassing The Mugen Archive In The Next Few months ... if You Don't Know About the Kingdom of NEGUM Your Research Into Mugen Is Lacking
"mujen" wtf