I feel like over time they hid in caves possibly in some mountains far away from civilization and became creatures that only resided in them and became wild like and extremely rare later in the fourth age. You basically mentioned that i definitely agree
And them it doesnt help any that the people of the Fourth Age knew that the Orcs were evil, and possibly irredeemably so, and this could give them the freedom to just wantonly butcher the Orcs, wherever they found them. I can't remember the name of the particular zombie movie, but it basically ends with the main character coming out of their farm bunker, to find that some other people eventually rolled in, and were able to round up, and contain the zombies, and at that point, they were celebrating their "victory" by basically gregariously shooting them, and burning them, without any thought of what living person victims they might've been, mere days prior, and kind of just showing some of the worst traits of man victorious. She finally sees that one of her close friends, who had gotten bitten by another's infected child, had turned, and so they destroyed him, too, and then the movie's big a-hole pops out, because of course he survived, and as he rants about something, she just shoots him, and when people look for a moment, she says "he twitched", and then they go back to their own wanton, joyful exacting of cruelty. The Orcs are likely much the same. While I wouldn't expect Aragorn, or his son, to suddenly drop all pretenses thar the Orcs were the bad guys, and had done much evil, I assume that many stalked them across the lands, even into the far east, where even Tolkien's depictions fear to tread, while maybe not happily, still stalwartly ended EVERY Orc they could,without concern of where that soul might go, if Orcs even had those now, or what it might say about themselves, now that they were in the superior position, and the Orcs in decline. And it's funny I say this, because as a D&D player for some 20 years, and a fan of 80s Saturday morning cartoons, back in the day, I can totally appreciate a convenient "group of enemies", who are simply bad because that's what they are, and don't always need the deep complexity of individual motivation for their fall into darkness, and how they justify their way as right, st least to themselves. Several fantasy groups today have vocal supporters demanding their reconstruction, into a form less "inherently" evil, or bad, for whatever reasons, despite the "world-building" they have been, and the convenience of having ready villains. I don't personally like this change, as I prefer the RP opportunities that can come from choosing the bad guys as your avatar, which you now have to grapple with, while various tables can always internally elect to use different lore, but I can see why some people have their opinions, even ignoring some racial, religious, or gender overtones they add to this, and while Tolkien Orcs lack some of that, I think it could speak ill of the victorious Men that their next move was a merciless slaughter that didn't even carry guilt, because these weren't people; they were "monsters", and all they would ever be was a lurking potential problem that NEEDED to be eliminated, like pests in your home, that could otherwise contaminate food, or bring the whole structure down. I know Tolkien was working on it, and even at tbe end, he didn't necessarily see himself as done with it, so we ca never know what he would have done regarding where are Orcs REALLY from? Did they have souls, or were they just animate bodies, controlled by outside evil, and if they had souls, where did they go after death, but it might've helped them to have had one if those last moments of magic in the world, where maybe even one of the kinder Valar descended upon the Orcs, and showed them affection, as Children of Illuvatar, abd then led them, as others led the early Elves, to a place where they could be safe, and out from under evil beyond their ken, to explain "where the Orcs went", after the War of the Ring, instead of leaving it to knowing grim, or even cheerful, winners of the war stalked them across every land, and only ceased when no Orcs were left, and wouldn't be missed, in our world that seemingly doesn't still have them, today.
Tolkien wrote in a letter about the idea that the elvish souls were imprisoned in the body and having no control over what the creature they where twisted into did. Maybe Eru could bring them salvation, otherwise killing them is the only option. (The souls should go the the halls of Mandos anyways)
I feel like over time they hid in caves possibly in some mountains far away from civilization and became creatures that only resided in them and became wild like and extremely rare later in the fourth age. You basically mentioned that i definitely agree
The orcs ended up fleeing tothe caves and live into modern time known as Rakes
Based
And them it doesnt help any that the people of the Fourth Age knew that the Orcs were evil, and possibly irredeemably so, and this could give them the freedom to just wantonly butcher the Orcs, wherever they found them. I can't remember the name of the particular zombie movie, but it basically ends with the main character coming out of their farm bunker, to find that some other people eventually rolled in, and were able to round up, and contain the zombies, and at that point, they were celebrating their "victory" by basically gregariously shooting them, and burning them, without any thought of what living person victims they might've been, mere days prior, and kind of just showing some of the worst traits of man victorious. She finally sees that one of her close friends, who had gotten bitten by another's infected child, had turned, and so they destroyed him, too, and then the movie's big a-hole pops out, because of course he survived, and as he rants about something, she just shoots him, and when people look for a moment, she says "he twitched", and then they go back to their own wanton, joyful exacting of cruelty.
The Orcs are likely much the same. While I wouldn't expect Aragorn, or his son, to suddenly drop all pretenses thar the Orcs were the bad guys, and had done much evil, I assume that many stalked them across the lands, even into the far east, where even Tolkien's depictions fear to tread, while maybe not happily, still stalwartly ended EVERY Orc they could,without concern of where that soul might go, if Orcs even had those now, or what it might say about themselves, now that they were in the superior position, and the Orcs in decline.
And it's funny I say this, because as a D&D player for some 20 years, and a fan of 80s Saturday morning cartoons, back in the day, I can totally appreciate a convenient "group of enemies", who are simply bad because that's what they are, and don't always need the deep complexity of individual motivation for their fall into darkness, and how they justify their way as right, st least to themselves. Several fantasy groups today have vocal supporters demanding their reconstruction, into a form less "inherently" evil, or bad, for whatever reasons, despite the "world-building" they have been, and the convenience of having ready villains. I don't personally like this change, as I prefer the RP opportunities that can come from choosing the bad guys as your avatar, which you now have to grapple with, while various tables can always internally elect to use different lore, but I can see why some people have their opinions, even ignoring some racial, religious, or gender overtones they add to this, and while Tolkien Orcs lack some of that, I think it could speak ill of the victorious Men that their next move was a merciless slaughter that didn't even carry guilt, because these weren't people; they were "monsters", and all they would ever be was a lurking potential problem that NEEDED to be eliminated, like pests in your home, that could otherwise contaminate food, or bring the whole structure down.
I know Tolkien was working on it, and even at tbe end, he didn't necessarily see himself as done with it, so we ca never know what he would have done regarding where are Orcs REALLY from? Did they have souls, or were they just animate bodies, controlled by outside evil, and if they had souls, where did they go after death, but it might've helped them to have had one if those last moments of magic in the world, where maybe even one of the kinder Valar descended upon the Orcs, and showed them affection, as Children of Illuvatar, abd then led them, as others led the early Elves, to a place where they could be safe, and out from under evil beyond their ken, to explain "where the Orcs went", after the War of the Ring, instead of leaving it to knowing grim, or even cheerful, winners of the war stalked them across every land, and only ceased when no Orcs were left, and wouldn't be missed, in our world that seemingly doesn't still have them, today.
that was the remake of the night of the living dead directed by fx genius tom savini.
Tolkien wrote in a letter about the idea that the elvish souls were imprisoned in the body and having no control over what the creature they where twisted into did. Maybe Eru could bring them salvation, otherwise killing them is the only option. (The souls should go the the halls of Mandos anyways)
They should make books of newer ages where the roles are reversed
You do realize the author Is dead right?😂
Why ruin his works?
Write your own trash 🗑