Would Jesus Vote Republican or Democrat?
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How would Jesus vote on political issues today? It's an impossible question to answer, but how you answer the question probably depends on your own political ideology.
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I address right-wing Christians in my video "Is it possible to be a Right-Wing Atheist?"
A few examples of arguments I make are to show atheist nations or at least secular states that hold values that right-wingers have. For example, Japan being strict on immigration and a tough-on-crime law and order society, and Singapore being a strict law-and-order society. Or the Czech Republic and Estonia, which are strict on immigration, and have pretty permissive weapon laws by European standards, having shall-issue licenses to own semi-auto rifles, shotguns and pistols, and having shall-issue licenses to conceal-carry firearms. Czechia is also very permissive towards non-firearm weapons (other than maybe tasers), such as knives, police batons, and pepper spray.
I've also pointed out how recent age of consent laws are, and that until a few years ago actual child marriage was legal in many U.S. States.
I also have a complementary video aimed at fellow atheists on how to deal with right-wing Christians. One doesn't have to agree with their opponent's values to appeal to them.
A problem I see with religion in politics now is contrarianism. For example, right-wingers identifying as Christian and violating scripture such as wishing ill on their opponents. This has been talked about by Lauren Southern and a guy whose video I reuploaded.
Over all, I'm tired of sociopolitical echo chambers.
Hmm, since you have done this wonderfully clickbaited video on the concept of Projection, could we possibly get a video on more research done on how politics and religion effect each other with other religions beyond Christianity?
Before I even watch this I have to congratulate you are the perfect clickbait title to pull in USian viewers! I look forward to watching as I like your pretty unbiased approach to religious information and analysis.
Who would the Prophet Muhammad vote for? and who would Buddha vote for??
@@shzarmaihonestly, none of them could even conceive of a democratic vote.
Jesus would TOTALLY agree with everything I say and do...
Buddy Christ gives you a thumbs up
"Look, there's some Bible verses where Jesus says things that somewhat sound like my political ideology".
@@arnulfo267"and if there aren't, I'll point out to when he allegedly said that the old testament was valid as well and find something THERE that agrees with what I say, even if it conflicts with an explicit Jesus teaching".
"God told me this is my land so actually geno side is ok for me! Anyone who disagrees is a bigot"
Jesus' will is always what my will is.
He'd run as an independent and end up crucified by both parties
Funny you say that... because the same people responsible for Jesus' crucifixion are the same people sponsoring both parties.
@@divideby4billionthe Romans?
@@JosephWolfson heh heh, good guess; think to who was constantly badgering the romans to persecute Jesus. Think to what religious order they belonged to.
@@divideby4billion the high priests
@@divideby4billion also, bud, I’m Jewish, as was Jesus.
I think if you asked Jesus a question about today's modern politics, he would give you a response in the form of an elaborate side story which would make you question what were your motives for asking this question to him in the first place.
Yeah the man loved to answer questions without answers
Probably with a violent/controversial meaning, which cannot be said bluntly, because humans are drama queens 👸.
He loved his metaphors and allusions!
He's more concerned with killing a random tree than with whatever this "Mexico border" you're talking about is.
If you asked Jesus a question he probably wouldn’t understand you because he speaks Aramaic and English didn’t exist yet in that timeline. He probably wouldn’t be able to comprehend the level of technology we have now let alone our politics.
"My concern is not whether God is on our side, but whether we are on His"
- Abraham Lincoln
That's good one
Democrats want secularism. They are not on God's side.
Good quote but which God? Lots of Gods out there.
@@FleurPillager Lincoln called himself a Christian.
Well put.
As an illegal immigrant, he'd be unable to vote 😊
Best answer so far.
Even if he were here legally he can't vote if he is not a citizen and registered, and only humans can vote, not gods.
This is one of the issues with comparing timelines. Jesus was not a citizen of Rome so he couldn't vote, but he was a citizen of the Roman Empire. He is quoted as saying, "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's," which would be approval of the taxes that Judaea had to pay to the empire.
@@rawrsince718 there is another dimension to that parable: the coins were considered idols, so just carrying those coins in the temple could be seen as a blasphemy.
XD
the classic phenomenon of "famous person from long ago agrees with me completely, and therefore my opinion is more valid than yours"
Since I believe in Him, He agrees with my ideology.
Yes, the person from a completely alien society said this one thing which, I repeating out of context, will use to validate my point!
"God is a liberal, God is a Democrat, God wants you to vote Republican" -Aurelio Voltaire, "God Thinks"
I mean God agreeing with you is very important from what I know.
even better: "famous person I invented"
Anyone who says Jesus would support the death penalty doesn’t know anything about Jesus.
Like... The way he died (1st time)
@@Enden31 and the way he preached about mercy and turning the other cheek.
"Whoso sheddeth the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed" -Bible
@@FleurPillagerand how he literally saved that one prostitute from the death sentence
Same with abortion.
I think Jesus would find modern politics sinful because of all the corruption of lies told by various politicians
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Absolutely. He would not be able to relate to American Christianity. He was against the religious hierarchy of his day and the Roman state. He said things about the rich because they oppressed the poor. The collusion between the hierarchy of the Jewish institutional system and the Roman state is what murdered him. I think he positively agreed with separation of church and state.
The idea of what American Christianity has become would absolutely anger him.
@@garytorresani8846 exactly
"And Man said, Let us make God in our own image, after our likeness."
And there was much rejoicing
And let Him have dominion over those who disagree with me
Yep, Man said that.
@@carloswater7Was he stupid?
@@playdischord1791 Probably
Oh buddy the can of worms you’re about to open (I’m so excited)
Lol that was my first thought! Dipping his toes in some spicy water! 😋
Eh. The internet is a much bigger place these days. Anybody who would likely start a flame war is off in their own private channels, whispering sweet evil things about "them others peoples" there. TH-cam comment sections are more segragated now then in time past where any mention of Politics/Religion lead to muti-paragraphs flame wars.
WWJD
I, too, came straight to the comments before watching the video lol
Lol, first thought that popped in my head also. 😂
You see this a lot in art!!! How Christians have depicted Jesus artistically has never tried to be accurate, it’s always reflected the thoughts and feelings of the Christians in that society.
Except never in its entirety has Christian art reflected the society's thoughts and feelings, you can easily go from a cstholic church in western Europe to an orthodox one in Eastern Europe and would find very little difference.
What you might be talking about Is how many cultures depict Jesus as white. But can you give me some evidence that they have NEVER depicted Jesus accuratly?
Christian art has always been universally recognizable going from culture to culture, so what exactly do you mean by this statement of absolutes.
@@billdecompsa4705 no its not. Even in the same country, Christian arts differ a lot from the 11th century to the 15th century. And the Catholic and Orthodox churches are easy to tell a part, even from the outside of the building.
@@salaminedandco.588 I don't belive I said there was no change, or that there was no difference. I'm not an idiot, I've done my studying of medical art and history and while your correct in saying the overall style may have changed, the style was always dependent on who the artist was (as is always) and no on the church, what didn't change arguably to any major degree was the way art depicted the teachings of Christianity.
And I didn't say that orthodox and catholic curchs were the exact same, while saying there is little difference is an understatement, it is overall true that there are a significant amount of similarities going in between orthodox and catholic churches
And my main point still stands.
@billdecompsa4705 ok yeah I get you point that christianity across Europe may be similar but I just dont believe It is that similar. And once you look outside of Europe to the little christianity on Asia or Ethiopia you inmediatly notice how allmost everything is depicted differently. Christianity has some constant features but its still depends a lot on its location
@@salaminedandco.588 oh totally. And it's not something set in stone, don't get me wrong. I should sake that what I said was an observation.
I do find there are a lot of changes in christianity from culture to culture and event continent to continent. But I have found that there Is a huge amount that is surprisingly similar going in between these vastly different cultures. Of course you can't forget how the ccp right now is remaking christianity in China to fit their own imag, but that is another topic.
And honestly agree with you when it comes to absolutes, but there is so much that stays the same in art and culture between even the 11th and 15th centuries that I feel it's worth noting.
Oh and the outside of orthodox churchs look NOTHING like other Christian ones, they don't even look all that similar to mosques (surprising considering how much of orthodox architecture was inspired by the turks). I'm glad we seen to have come to a consensus.
Neither. He wouldn't participate in man's kingdom, he would be preparing for his father's kingdom.
exactly. God has no one above him, why would he choose who is above him.
If you asked him he'd probably tell you a parable about how neither side really helps the people and you're asking the wrong question. 😆
So are you disillusioned with both political parties?
I guess. Politically I'm more like Treebeard: I'm not altogether on anybody's side because nobody is altogether on my side.
@@eldritch3465 and/or familiar with Jesus' preference for parables
Anti-imperialist Jesus
I'd probably tell him that that's a major oversimplification. We're facing one of, if not the, hardest challenge humanity has ever seen in climate change, and one side staunchly refuses to even acknowledge its existence.
I'm here for the civil and well-articulated comments
I've got popcorn, want to share?
Haha, yes!
the long time viewers will be great and the people attracted just for the title will be monstrous lol
@@QuantumHistorian
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It's a worthwhile question, because Jesus would undoubtedly choose to live in Las Vegas to address the amount of sin that takes place there, and as a Nevada resident, he'd be voting in a swing state.
Vegas locals 🤝
I would think he’d probably live in Palestine or Israel considering that’s the land he’s from.
yall need to vote trump lol
@@AmericanIdiotPolitics Name checks out
@@bagthecadran If the question is whether he'd vote R or D, then he would have to be a US citizen.
If Jesus heard about American politics today, his first question would be "Sorry, what's America?"
He's watching and he's not happy with us.
Normally would stay far away from this content, but given the creator let's give it a go!
My thoughts exactly
Was just telling my mom, “no this guys a theology student, this’ll be good”
He is a Doctor, more than a Student!!!@@INXS1985
I think we can all agree that Jesus strongly would disapprove of the existence of Arbys.
What about their jamocha shake?
Not only jamocha shakes, but curly fries! He'd have to respect that
@@hive_indicator318 Transubstantiation through a curly fry... maybe I'd still be going to church if that was the body of Christ.
So would Pythagoras, who was what we today would call a raw-food vegan.
Edit: He would also isapprove of Arbys. In case it wasn't clear.
The real question would be his disapproval of Chick-Fillet
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Johnny Cash told us this ages ago “your own personal Jesus”
that's actually a Depech Mode cover, and the original writer wrote the song to mean you can be someone's personal jesus. not necessarily in a religious or sacrilegious way, but "someone who's there".
@@kingdavid7516there."
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Weird. In my social history class in highschool they asked us to present a research project on any social topic we would like. What I presented was basically this field of study applied to ancient cultures (mesopotamia, greek, rome, medieval catholicism). I even ended the presentation saying, "I would like you to ponder, do we shape our religions according to our society or is our society shaped by our religions?"
I was 15 at the time and didnt even knew that this was actually studied in academic research, but I was already huge religions nerd at the time. 😅
Neat!
I think it's fair to say that religion shapes society more than the other way around. Ie the Protestant Work Ethic created capitalism
@@azaria5419 I would say so too. Actually, Weber's book on Protestant Ethics and Capitalism one of the first academic books on religion that I read. It really helped me to see how religion was more than belief, and how it could change and affect society in such an intricate manner.
Great. Out of curiousity did you study the subject in college? Would feel great to know someone with formal education on the topic also agrees
@@azaria5419 you could say it's a feedback loop between environment and ideology. Environment creates rules for survival, these rules reinforce a worldview which then is no longer supported by the environment. I guess that's what the ban on pork was, it spoils too easy in the middle east, thus unfit. Also the Fremen on Dune show how environment influences ideology and ideology loops into itself.
He would say, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's."
so fascinating ! and your voice and energy in the dialogue makes this even better! thank you and keep doing these videos....it looks at these topics from a different lens -- -we need this!
Jesus wouldn't vote, but he would start lots of food sharing mutual aid centers, and show up to the presidential debates with a whip.
I think he would vote. Biblically speaking, he did teach about the importance of civic responsibility, at least insofar as taxes are concerned. Probably wouldn't be willing to volunteer who he voted for, though.
@@jameswheeler5260 I don't think there's really a basis for 'the importance of civic responsibility' as a virtue. Rather, it reads more as not incurring undue trouble with the structures that rule above you. In general, this fits better with the larger movement of apocalyptic Judaism that Jesus was most certainly a part of: the systems and structures of this world are temporary and worthless. They will soon be washed away and replaced by the eternal kingdom of god, the true kingdom to which we belong. But until then, we must simply endure in our foreign land, even if it means paying taxes to someone who is not our true ruler.
He might have viewed voting somewhat favorably as it is a means by which to lessen the present suffering of the faithful while waiting for the coming kingdom of god, but there would probably still be there general apocalyptic skepticism+apathy ('don't expect too much, the nations of this world are ruled by forces of evil' that sort of thing). And I definitely don't think it would be a matter of virtue or loyalty to the state.
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I think you’re just saying that to increase viewership of the presidential debates.
@@jameswheeler5260 do you think it's fair to say that the bigger context of the "render unto Caesar" passage is that Jesus was pro-civic duty? I read Mark 12:13-17 as a whole much more that the things of earth are insignificant in the greater context of eternity. And that He phrased verse 17 to outsmart the Pharisees who were trying to anger either the Roman occupation or the Jewish resistence.
When I saw the title I hoped, knowing the channel, that the given answer would be that we couldn't possibly know bc he lived in a different context, and that it'd be instead about how it's more a politically motivated question than a theological one - glad to see it was that and more!
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This is so sad. Living in a different context should not change your view on things. The only reason people think this is because the right is very reactionary. And since both the GOP and DNC are mostly right wing, people tend to ignore real leftism. Your politics should be based off of your morals and therefore should be very predictable. Which is why Jesus, in theory, would hold beliefs of kindness and love. In short, Jesus was a socialist.
Fantastic video as usual, thank you.
Wow great video I was just talking about this the other day! Thank you very much for making this video!!
So I suppose asking “What would Jesus do?” is a much more complex question than my bracelet I had in the 90e seemed to imply.
It certainly rules certain things out
i mean its pretty easy. God has noone above him. why would he choose a president, when he has no presdient
"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it." - Stephen Colbert
Or we can pretend that people are deliberately poor/homeless, and don't really want to be helped.
Jesus looking at 16 million+ unoccupied homes and 30-40% of all food brought to market being thrown out like "where did I put that whip..."
Stephen Colbert is not a valid source for how Jesus would act. Neither is my opinion or your opinion. If it's not from the Bible, it literally has no bearing on this question.
@@andrewnordstrom3565calm down the Bible isnt even from the lifetime of the Apostles, let alone Jesus. It took a few centuries and several councils of bishops to decide what books were officially confirmed or not, and it was entirely a man made decision not something Jesus passed down in any way
@@xunqianbaidu6917 This sounds like a capitalist version of a Hasbara take lol, it's ridiculous
Jesus wouldnt vote, he would be spreading the good word.
He'd probably not vote in protest against both parties and end up kidnapped by the CIA
Full honesty, I cracked up laughing when I saw the title to this video. Hoo boy is this going to get messy in the comments.
YUP
@@ReligionForBreakfast so just how many comments have you had to delete for absolute batshittery? You're braver than me for sure!
@@xxiloveitallxx I find this channel normally has very articulate and sensible comments. It's the reply to those comments where the nutjobs hang out.
Yeah I was so surprised to see this sort of video on this channel, but the content is totally on brand: balanced, academic, and well thought out.
@@QuantumHistorian That's definitely thanks to the moderation, let's be real.
Well, Jesus he knows me. And he knows I'm right. I've been talking to Jesus all my life! He's been telling me that everything is all right.
I wonder what's the origin of that way of thinking... I mean, it's etiology, it's beginning, it's gene--- oh! ;)
Yeah well HE's been telling me that everything is alt right
It's good to see people returning to Genesis.
This video has been one of my favorites I’ve seen in a while!
Great video as always RFB
I think he’d just be shocked that the world didn’t end yet
Don't worry. His minions are working hard to do just that.
"I think it's time to come back..."
Why would he be shocked?
@@ssesssusman9417 he thought it would end in his lifetime or at least the lifetime of his disciples
He knows when the world ends??? Why would he be suprised
This is like asking if he would have voted for the Romans or the Temple Priests.
Go priests!
YES THIS
What would be the plan to replace those entities had he been successful?
Who was in charge before rome conquered Judea?
Wouldn't they go back to that?
@@garydeforve5055 Herod the Great's family ruled Judea before the Romans conquered it from his son. Herod and his lot also wasn't really liked by the Jewish populace for not being an ethnic Jew (Herod later converted and rebuilt the temple to gain favor with the Jews but it wasn't successful), but an Edomite. If Judea came back fully under Herod's family's control, there probably still would have been many rebel groups like there was under the Romans. Even then, whoever was controlling Judea still would of been a client of Rome unless they wanted to be reconquered by the Romans. So pretty much the Romans would still have a hand in the affairs of Judea no matter what.
@@MaryamMaqdisi The temple leaders were deeply corrupt. Read Mark 11:15
Thanks this is exactly the video I was supposed to see.
very good video, I love your approach to the issue
I'm so glad you covered the causal direction issue. I was about to throw in a comment making the same point about 1 minute before you got to it in the video, but I decided to give you a chance, and you did not disappoint! That's one of the reasons I love your channel. You do an excellent job of covering opposing views. Keep up the great work!
Yeah it was an issue that came up several times in the study, so it was definitely on their mind.
Consider the political diversity of the men He called to be His apostles. On the one hand you have Matthew who is collecting taxes for the Roman government. On the other had you have Simon, a zealot who wanted to rebel and fight against the Romans. I'm sure Matthew and Simon had some interesting discussions.
If you wanna see some creative writing that does more than just quote the Bible and also doesn't go out of it's way to be blasphemous, might I recommend the Chosen?
There's a couple of scenes between Simon and Matthew I actually really enjoy, they get at the angle you're talking about a little bit.
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This was good. Thanks!
As a 1) political science major, 2) person from a Christian background, and 3) an amateur religious studies enthusiast, I love the concept of this video.
OMG! Is that a Lego Great Pyramid in your background? No, it's not my big takeaway, but it's still too cool.
It is indeed!
@@ReligionForBreakfast awesome! Great work on the video, too!
it's a cutaway half pyramid if you want to get one, if you want a full pyramid you need 2 sets and ikd if they still stock it
@@reddevved Good to know, but it's still awesome.
...This title is one of the most american sentences I've ever heard (or rather: read).
As a non-american, it always amazes me anew how often I say that...
Yep, we definitely do now how to drive internet engagement. The "likes and comments" cup on this one is going to overflow.
In my country (Germany) I don't recall anyone ever publicly posing the question "Would Jesus vote SPD, CDU/CSU, FDP, Greens, Linke, AfD, Volt, or die PARTEI?" in my lifetime.
@@lowenzahn3976hopefully anything but AfD, heh
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@@lowenzahn3976 Also from Germany, and that sounds hilarious. Have never heard this question either.
As always, very well presented and good scholarly reference. And, way to dance a fine line LOL
thats like asking, vote for the devil with sharp fangs or the devil with shap claws
Well put
Jesus said "render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's". He was the original separation of church and state guy.
Talk about extrapolation. All he said was that you should comply with laws so long as they don't also conflict with faith. The context of the passage is that the Pharisees are trying to trap him ideologically as either an enemy of Rome or an enemy of Judea by asking if you should pay taxes or donate to the Temple.
That can't be right, the local boomer told me that Jesus believes what he believes.
No that's not what that means. God demands people to submit to his righteous will. Jesus is a part of the God head so therefore he agrees.
The PREMISE of the video is a fantasy, it cannot be done. The extrapolation is really Jesus being in our time, country and facing a decision to vote.
He was equally against both
Jesus would vote for Vermin
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Christ was a Monarchist
As a retired person who was trained in the social sciences, I tend to believe that there are important elements of truth in both hypothesizes. We do tend to see our religion as reinforcing our own world views both personally and as a society; yet we also seek to go deeper to uncover the "true" meaning and wisdom of our religion. There causal relationships is very nuanced and goes in both directions.
He wouldn't vote. He would preach that the end is nigh and the world is ending and that doesn't matter. Still waiting 2000 years later for that nigh end.
The Jews waited long for the coming of the messiah. Christians are waiting long for Christ's second coming. Of course, as humans, 2000 years seems so long. But to God, it's hardly a blink of an eye.
@@chimeremnmaozioko17 "Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Unless you're trying to tell me that some of those dudes are still alive somewhere and can confirm all of this, I kinda think he was just wrong.
@@chimeremnmaozioko17 An omnipotent god would have better timing than a "blink of an eye".
@@Alverant many cultures are just coming to the knowledge of Christ. If Jesus had come again in the first century or maybe 11th century or even 16th century. So many people would not know him.
This is the correct answer
This has to be a late April fools video
Finally, about time someone started asking real questions
Would've skipped this one from any other channel, but you did not disappoint. I hope this video catches some momentum outside your subscriber base, since the kind of people who would click on these titles really need to hear what this video has to say.
OMG. Put on your asbestos suit, folks. These can comments are gonna be fire…. dumpster fire. 😅
People worship the image in the mirror and bend scripture to fit that image. That is why I stopped identifying myself as a Christian many years ago.
Who do you identify yourself as then?
@@bertrandaime4921 I am a follower of Jesus which means I take his teachings for what they are. I also have a degree in religion from a secular university and have studied and written papers on his teachings from an academic perspective.
@@bertrandaime4921 A follower of Jesus who is Christ. I have a degree in Religion and have studied his life and teachings from an academic as well as a spiritual perspective. I am confident I know who he is and his theology. Unfortunately, it does not look like the reflection in my mirror nearly as much as I would like.
@@mysticwanderer4787 thank you so much for the clarification. If I understood you well, you are a follower of Jesus Christ but not a Christian because when you look in the mirror, you do not reflect Jesus Christ as you would like?
If that is the case, it is challenging me also to think about who I call myself.
A very interesting take!
😮 Very interesting, thank you! 😃
I think part of the problem is that so many different people wrote so many different things about Jesus, there are things that support both arguments. For example, Paul and Peter and other followers might emphasize adherence to law, either strict belief in Jesus for salvation or adherence to Jewish law for salvation. If we look at something Jesus said himself from Matthew 25:31-46, we can see that Jesus seems to think that just being virtuous is enough for salvation, belief may not be required.
It's important to remember that Jesus was a jew, modern Christianity is the religion about Jesus, not the religion of Jesus. Scholars spend a lot of time trying to figure out exactly which quotes from the bible can be attributed to Jesus and which ones are probably later additions. I think it's fair to say that Jesus would be in favor of strong social welfare programs, judging by his supposed actions (healing, feeding the crowd, etc.) and his talks about giving up wealth for ascetism.
edit: I'm an atheist, not a Christian
Would The Holy Spirit be an FPS gamer or an RPG gamer?
Definitiv NPC!
Sims, for familiarities sake.
@@wes4736You have me laughing so hard man🤣🤣🤣
Probably mostly eroges. All about coming into people, you know.
Probably a demonic-style game where you control someone's actions with your own intentions rather than who you are allegedly playing as. Since the Holy Ghost controls his vessels virtually completely, including being able to speak his own words directly.
Like EU4 or CK3.
Basically any game where your intentions in game have nothing to do with what you are controlling wants to do.
I was hesitant when I saw the title. I'm glad I gave it a chance.
7:25 Makes sense. Most of us get our religious beliefs secondhand, from our parents/elders/society. So, God is often whatever it’s long been established to have been for usually centuries.
I don’t believe Jesus would be a fan of our current two party system. I don’t think that Jesus would like the idea of being loyal to one political party and the idea that you are expected to blindly agree with every decision your political affiliation makes. With that said he probably wouldn’t vote Republican lol
So do you agree with everything you just assigned to Jesus?
He'd probably be confused with the concept of political parties.
@@thorpeaaron1110 there weren't parties back then but there were people getting together for a common goal
Let me guess, you believe all of those things too.
@@bheemabachus5179 I do agree. Funnily enough that’s the point of the video lol
You clever Son Of A-click baiting me to watch a video about the concept of Projection and how it effects people and the way they process their political and religious beliefs based on recent research done by sociologists.
The best clickbait I've seen all week XD
Pretty sure Jesus would be a convicted felon for the money changers incident.
Seeing as Jesus's homeland is currently being bombed back to the stone age, he'd 100% be down to overthrowing the whole system entirely
Israel isn’t getting bombed, but his homeland has been hijacked by Hamas
Jesus was a Jew not an Arab
@@denverrsouthers5531Arabic peoples are MUCH ethnically closer to the ancient hebrews than what the ppl in Israel are, definitely. As a matter of fact, palestinians, and even moreso, palestinian christians who are also part arabized have FAR more ethnic ties to the region and ancient hebrews.
@@lyricofwise6894 why do you hate Jews?
As an atheist I'm pretty sure Jesus would vote third party.
But which third party? That’s the million dollar question.
Green lol
He would write in the guy who changed his name to "any other candidate"
@@lakrids-pibe Brilliant answer.
@@syndicalist-0That's the most atheist party 😂
Jesus was an apocalypticist that preached that the end of the world would come in the lifetimes of those who heard his words, so I don't think he'd of bothered with voting at all.
Did Jesus ever say that the people that heard him would see the apocalypse? He never did. The apocalypse was a vision another dude had.
@@easy8690 Arguably, yes, he did. At least in the Gospel accounts.
E.g. “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)
and
“Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. Even so, you too, when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place…“ (Mark 13:26-30)
and many more.
As with anything in those books (and any books apart from maybe technical manuals) there are multifarious potential readings. But there are enough recurring statements about an impending end to the world put in Jesus's mouth, and in the occasional writings of other NT (pseudo-)authors, that it was at the very least a frequently-used rhetorical device if not an explicitly prophecy.
@@easy8690 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
He didn't use the word "apocalypse", obviously. But he absolutely believed the world was about to end, or at least whoever wrote that did.
Agreed. Frankly I find Jesus a bit of a nut, I don’t really get what’s so great about him. I’d rather be a Jew than a Christian if I had to choose a religion
@Arraka, this is Matthew 16. And 6 days later in Matthew 17 you see the son of man coming in his kingdom.
Such a ridiculous premise for a video! So I def had to watch lol 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I have a question for you. Would Jesus prefer Fallout 4 or Fallout New Vegas? Personally, I think he'd like New Vegas more, he just gives off those vibes.
Isn't it common to find that most people's personal beliefs don't align with what the religion teaches anyway? I'm thinking of that Pew Research study that mentioned how like 70 % of Catholics don't believe in Catholic dogma. Like we all definitely shape our gods with our own biases but as long as there are sacred texts and authorities and dogma (which most religions have) there will be a level of tension between what the religion supposedly stands for and what I want to project onto it.
From a Catholic background I say yes
Humans use religion to justify their already existing morals 😇 and worldview 🌍👀.
They don't base their morals and worldview on their holy texts, unless they were previously neutral on the subject.
That people construct the ideology of authoritative figures (with unknown views) to match their own ideology must be the least surprising sociological result since that survey asking about the preferred defecation locations of the Ursus genus.
I really liked this episode and think it was a good meta discussion about the question itself and what our individual answers mean. That being said, I honestly do want to see framing from a textual lens. Maybe doing a political compass on “behalf” of Jesus with the rule that you have to have two red letter citations for every choice in the quiz.
I will start out by saying that I am conservative, but if we look at the writings of the sayings of Jesus, we find a person who is "personal" and not "political." Depending on the issue he might go one way or the other. A good example is the matter of divorce. While the mitzvahs allowed it under certain circumstances, he insisted that it was still wrong. Yet he never advocated a change, merely encouraged people to follow a higher law. In one sense he treated goverment like many people would treat the weather. It's important because at the time the average person had as much control over the government as they had over the weather, which is to say no power whatsoever.
Well we know one thing he definitely wasn't an American considering he would have had no knowledge of the existence of the North American continent or Senegal West Africa or Korea.
And yet he had blonde hair and blue eyes
@@joefilter2923 😄😄😄😄 yeah in some Victorian water painting.
@@joefilter2923Romans said he had blue eyes though
Fr lol
@@joefilter2923figuring out what color Jesus’s hair and eyes were would be dependent upon what race he was and determining his race would be as difficult as figuring out how he would vote. This is made harder be the fact that the near east was then and is still now one of the most ethnically diverse areas of the world.
Jesus: "What you mean democracy?😮"
"WTF kind of nonsense have you guys been getting up to? Anyway, time for monarchy!"
Then looking at our "democracy" He'd just be vexed
@@rainbowkrampusAnd who'll be the king, Jesus? Let me guess, you?
@@rainbowkrampus a like for the giggle that made me have this comment
@@chlorophyllphile I get a lot of weird responses. This is one of them.
Its blasphemous to use him as a political tool
Neither. He would look a good long look at both sides, break out a cigarette, take a few thoughtful puffs and give a small despairing nod before flicking the still-smocking bud away. Then he would walk back to the grave he had been interned in two millennia ago, roll back the huge stone to seal the entrance, but not before hanging a sign outside saying "BACK IN (ANOTHER) 2000 YEARS."
Hahaha he’d have a podcast where he called out all the politicians for their psychopathy and greeed
Almost guaranteed he’d be against the military industrial complex
He came not to bring peace but a sword tho 🤔
I suspect he would have approved of a powerful (i.e. Rome-defeating) Judean military-industrial complex that he thought could bring about a "Kingdom of God" - at least in his homeland, if not upon the world as a whole...
@@thescoobymike Yeah but what makes you think that Jesus' sword would point towards the same enemies as the American elites'?
@@thescoobymike
The question is who would Jesus cut down?
I don't think Jesus would be angry at any SJW.
@@mikeoveli1028 he would maybe cut down people who believe in the right to divorce. It’s okay to disagree with Jesus rather than make him in your image.
"Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. With great power the apostles gave their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need."
(Acts 4:32-35)
That sounds suspiciously similar to... COMMUNISM.
I feel like Jesus would want to get rid of the system all together
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Pfft. Everyone knows Jesus would think exactly like I do!!!
very thought provoking video , thanks as always
The problem is that everyone has their own definition of that Jesus would believe in and practice because Christianity is so fragmented. You've got the Roman Catholics, you've got the Orthodox Church, then the Lutherans, the Evangelicals, the Methodists, the Baptists, the Episcopals, the Anglicans--it's just so much. You can't have a consistent definition because the man's been dead for 2,000 years.
I would like to think he would throw the vast majority of politicians out of office, especially the ones most vocal about following him.
Can tell you without watching: neither!
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@@cabot100 says who, an ideological savant?
If you watched the video you would know.
@@cabot100but it’s true
@@Itsmerveille125 Do you not know Jesus?
Repent and seek salvation.
It’s only logical to assume that Jesus was radical for his time. If he was Conservative (= wanting to “conserve society” and have very little and slow change of the society) he wouldn’t have gotten all the attention he got!
However his ideas may have become the norm after 2000 years and by today’s standard they could be anything but radical.
So it would depend on if you consider actual political hard facts or a person’s state of mind when saying “liberal/left” (which is not at all considered the same except in the US 🙄) and “conservative/right”.
Very well articulated. I think a big part of why he wouldn't be a radical is that so many of our baselines of what's right and wrong have origins in his teachings. Not entirely of course, because we're far from a hardline Christian society and have been for decades at this point. But because it's been a relatively recent development, even many of the radicals either way have retained some cultural cues that if you squint and look back far enough have a touch of what he's said.
@@wes4736I'm not sure I agree. We humans tend to twist and bend to fit His teachings to us (those who believe) and we constantly reject him. He'd show us how wrong all of us are. Are we truly closer as a society to God now than 2000 years ago? Do we need Him less now?
I may be wrong, but I think He'd be forever radical no matter the human society we live under, because we'll always have flaws and so will any system we put in place.
Just to clarify: this is not a nihilist take, I do think that it matters to try to make this world better and to right wrongs and injustices at both personal and social levels, what I'm trying to say is that we'll get things wrong/or we'll get lost in the process and that's ok, that's what He came to do: to save us, redeem us, and point us in the right direction if we allow it.
@@BigBadWolframio - in some ways, yes, in some ways no. We sure would be properly admonished for how we run things, and in regards to our own sinfulness, we're still just as eternally distant, yet eternally closer with Christs sacrifice on the table.
I suppose what I mean to say when I say that he would be less radical is that others would SEE his words as less radical than how they were seen at the turn of the Common Era. I'm a bit of an ancient history buff, but really more of a nerd if anything, but when it comes to ideals of the BCs, they would be so foreign to someone living in most places today by how comparatively backwards it seems. If people think that God is a strict being in the Old Testament, we gotta look at what people were doing to see how radical God's been from the beginning.
Abram came from the City of Ur, so let's just say he was an ethnic Akkadian living either during the time of the Neo Sumerian Empire or soon thereafter for convenience and considering his Semitic name. Before the Neo Sumerian Empire, when the Akkadian Empire ruled over Sumer, its founder and the first emperor of the world (so long as we don't count Lugal Zagesi) and his successors would innovate on the art of subjugation. Whenever a city would rebel, punishments would become increasingly harsh until a cities population would eventually decimated of its inhabitants and replaced by loyal Akkadians, and previous Sumerian inhabitants would be grouped up, and sent into facilities where those very kings described the deliberate punishing work, withholding of food, and even became the first to ever record an exact tally of people who would die. Sargon of Akkad, the pinnacle of what a good King was until Cyrus the Great 1800 years later, if he did that in the 20th century would be castigated as a VERY specific kind of politic TH-cam does not like to see in comments.
The first Dynasty of Egypt had their court officials buried with their ruler, whether willingly or forced is unknown. This thankfully stopped by the 2nd Dynasty. The Sumerians of the city of Ur, the same city Abram came from, after Agade fell held a similar practice. The Canaanites, and by extension the Phoenicians (Canaanite trading colonies basically) their child sacrifices weren't only recorded by the Hebrew Bible. Later Greeks and Romans would also account these things entirely seperate from any Hebrew influence, and it's not as though Latins had clean hands either.
Before Jesus, domination was the norm, entire cultures and genetic populations being wiped out in mass slaughter was the norm and seen as the right of the conqueror as consequence for refusing submission. But since Jesus, this idea has now become an approach so radical only the worst of the worst of men could even consider it, let alone try to implement it. In that old world, loving thy neighbor, thy enemies, praying for your persecutors was unfathomable. Today we're simply too used to it to see the radical nature of those ideas.
@@wes4736 I get what you mean and agree, I just wanted to point out that, although his teachings have changed the world, I'm sure it would be radical in different ways.
Thank you for your response! ^^
I think it would be a bit more complicated, one element is that a lot of the stuff we associate with Jesus is stuff that comes from him being a Rabbi in the second temple period. So a lot of the elements of his teachings are a bit of a reach from what life is like for most people almost 2 millenia after the destruction of the Temple.
I think _slightly_ left of center is fair. He’s sort of the opposite of libertarian, Fiscally Liberal, Socially Conservative. [of course obligatory it-was-different-time-context-different blah blah blah obviously… it’s an exercise]. He was not anti-government by any means. He was also very pro charity, welfare, etc. Also probably more socially conservative.
So something like Paternalistic conservatism?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternalistic_conservatism
More importantly, why does a modern day civilized human refer to him for political guidance? There have been better thinkers before and after him that should be looked up to instead.
The fact that no one cares about them tells you how worthless they are
Mad spicy title. Was waiting for you to drop something and it is straight heat
Great video with excellent varying viewpoints. Your presentation is so well done, sir.
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Along a similar but different line, I would really love to get your take on Costly Signalling Theory. I've only just learned about it and have been reading up. Surprisingly, I learned about this from a TH-cam video titled, "How Dune Gets Religious Psychology Exactly Right", speaking about the new sci-fi series based on Dune. The video is from Genetically Modified Skeptic.
I've always enjoyed your videos. Between you and UsefulCharts, you're a great resource.
Cheers!
Jesus: "What is voting?"
Jesus would vote neither and have both parties vote for him.
Jesus for president 2024?
sigh ::goes to the comment section::
This should be fun
I think Jesus would shun modern political polarization first and foremost