My Thoughts on Star Trek: Strange New Worlds
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I can imagine Paris talking that way to Janeway. However I can also imagine, and think I've seen Paris spending several subsequent episodes in the brig on a bread and water diet brooding on what a mistake he made.
Remember when Worf disrespected Data with his frustrated "Finally" comment and then swiftly got a dressing down in the ready room.
I think Paris did speak to Janeway like that once… but his new wife had just collapsed into a silver blood puddle in sickbay so…
@@igg3937 the scene in the ready room was peak writing: two professionals/friends resolve a difficult situation in an exemplary conversation.
Meanwhile on Strange New Worlds: insubordination is welcome.
@@igg3937 And Worfs defense was that he was only acting the same with Data than he was with Picard. Data had to remind him that what was acceptable as a tactical officer was not acceptable as an acting XO.
Yeah, Paris always talked shit from the conn. Dunno what Cullen is talking about.
Chato said Discovery was like being locked in a cage, starved and beaten daily. SNW was like being rescued, locked in a room, and having meals and a mattress and only getting beaten occasionally. You're still getting beaten but you're grateful for the change anyway.
Only if you accept that you have to indulge the beating at all. Not being into S&M I choose to avoid even light (psychological) torture.
😂😂😂😂
Gee, now I really wish I watched it. lol Nah. Star Trek ended 20 years ago for me.
Dave, I think what SNW is proof positive of is that legacy characters should NEVER be recast or if they are, as you said, it should be established it is set in a Universe that is part of an infinite MULTIVERSE. I really wouldn't shed a tear, though if Season 3 proves to be SNW's last and it's replaced by PRIME Universe Star Trek: Legacy with Captain Seven of Nine and her crew of the Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-G.
exactly
Regarding the lack military discipline on the show and on the Enterprise, most of the people that wrote on the original Star Trek were military veterans, serving in uniform for a time or during World War II or Korea. You may come across one or two veterans on writing staffs nowadays but most have grown up watching shows like the Office which subverts authority.
To play demon's advocate. Starfleet is a non military organization even tho it defends the Federation.
@@ace9848 Subordination is not tolerated even on modern freight ships
@@vola-2899 I think you mean insubordination. In most businesses open insubordination = dismissal.
@@tritonlandscaping1505 That is correct, apologies. English is my second language
@@ace9848I’ve only been watching the original Star Trek for a few weeks and I’m only half way through season 1, and I’ve already seen how the chain of command was respected. When it wasn’t, a crew member was kicked off the bridge.
I've worked in IT Support for 25 Years for Giant Global Corporations and in my career I felt it was always important to be professional, punctual and well presented at all times. What put me off Strange New Worlds is the lack of Professionalism in the characters. If Strange New World was real; the behaviour and insubordination of the crew would eventually get everyone killed. I have a feeling the Writers have never had a real job or responsibility.🤔
Indeed. Coddled college kids just out with a gender studies degree.
@@ChristerHolmMusic I hate to say it but this isn't just a 40 something moaning. Someone said to me the situation is so bad it will come to people from the 50 plus generation rebuilding society the way they were brought up. Woke Generations aren't up to it. We're in trouble.
@@DanAdlingtonOnline , what pisses ME off is the eye-watering salaries they are likely pocketing to WRITE this garbage? 🙄
@@2271graham As a writer myself I totally agree.
@@2271graham and they're demanding more and using the strike for their bullshit
Remember when Starfleet personnel would act professionally flying state of the art space craft exploring space? Now it's like a group of college friends and someone's cool older uncle going on a little road trips and having a blast and doing cookouts at his absurdly large restaurant/living quarters.
Perfect summary
These female characters are written exactly like the insufferable activist feminist writers. This is just bad writing, and pure crap from pig headed far left feminist lunatics. They write the female characters this way for a reason. It is propaganda.
This. What happened to rank and respecting it
Well said!
People write from experience. Some of the scifi writers of earlier Star Trek were actual soldiers who fought in places like Vietnam, North Korea and WWII. They drew on those experiences for their stories. Not sure why, but there are few Veterans of the Middle Eastern wars in the writing rooms of modern Hollywood.
Yes. Making flippant backhanded remarks to a superior is incredibly unprofessional and in the real world would get you a reprimand or worse. Even in civilian companies it wouldn't fly. It is part of my job to take direction from my lead. I can at times suggest something different; or a modification to the instruction. But at the end of the day it's my duty to follow instructions to the best of my ability.
When I was in the Royal Navy we sometimes had to deal with inexperienced young officers if they had a bad idea we would say something along the lines of that's a good idea sir but how about this? It was expected that we would share our experience in a respected manner not be rude and unprofessional
It's like most of the characters are a bunch of teenagers and Pike is the "cool" father figure. The younger ones act like they know it all and like to put those stupid adults in their place. I think the reason so many Trek fans love this show is because it is better than the garbage that is DISCO. That isn't saying much since SNW is only a marginal improvement, IMO.
"But at the end of the day it's my duty to follow instructions to the best of my ability." - and thats exactly what Ortegas does in the end, though Dave doesn't show that part. After answering Spocks question with "now you are being offensive" Spocks simply says "Then do it" and Ortegas does what she is told. She has made her position clear and so has Spock. She gives no further backtalk nor does Spock need to emphasize his authority, e.g. "This is an order". We may not like her snarky choice of words but I see no disrespect towards a superior officer here.
@gildor8866 , REALLY??? I remember the episode of TNG when Data took command of the USS Sutherland and threatened to relieve his Androidphobic First Officer Commander Hobson of duty if he refused to carry out his orders. Again, none of these actors can hold a CANDLE to Hunter, Shatner, Nimoy, Barrett, and Nichols when it comes to portraying these cherished legacy characters, and that is why no attempt should EVER have been made to do so.
@@gildor8866 Is this an argument?
The irony of it all is that old Trek, up until Enterprise, was about showing an ‘idealized’ future different from our reality, but modern Trek is all about scrapping that and translating all modern grievances and attitudes to the series’ future.
It’s distilled post modernism.
@@VRM885 That’s a pretty decent straw-man argument! Or perhaps you’re simply conflating issues and missing the point.
Sci-fi exists solely as social commentary. Seriously. Any great sci-fi and any bad sci-fi is social commentary about the condition of humanity. The difference between old Trek and modern trek is the core philosophy. Old trek was firmly founded on classical liberalism(American Values once upon a time)
Modern Trek is founded on Postmodernism mainly. It honestly has an identity crisis. Postmodern thought clashing with Marxist doctrine. It’s the antithesis of old Trek. It stabs at the very heart of what made Star Trek great. Star Trek could have an episode tackling a once modern issue with an unhappy ending or a happy ending. In that story they would present BOTH sides of the argument with respect and education.
Modern Trek choose to indoctrinate the viewer by not so subtly shoe horning in modern dialogue and almost directly calling the view out and demand they believe the same. There is no room for interpretation, storytelling, emotional connection, or imagination. Not to mention the absolute disrespect to the “other” side of the argument.
Old Trek could bring a conservative, a libertarian, a liberal, an atheist, a Muslim, and a Jew together because of the shared values and that ideal future where we are all respected and have a place in that federation.
New Trek demands that those fore mentioned group conform to the leftist ideologies or else. Modern trek in the world that the androgynous aliens were from: if you disagree, we will make you agree.
Judging from the recent episodes, SNW is intended to overwrite TOS. No fucking way the show will line up with the Prime timeline. Better to just go redo it all! No need to respect continuity! The Gorn are NOT xenomorphs, you say? No matter! We're changing that! Eugenics War? Never happens! Kirk oozes charisma? Not this one. And the characters will all talk like they're from 2023! What fun!
Why respect TOS when it's much easier to replace it?!
Even TOS put problems of the real world at that time into story's for the show.
@@DylanWOWilliams You're right. Although Star Trek was pretty much always more left wing leaning; it still respected different viewpoints. This sjw version of Star Trek is all about forcing people to conform to extremist leftist ideology.
I think the tempo of the Bridge crews respect of the other Trek's was usually set by the first officers of that series. This was especially apparent with Riker and Chakotay with their "is there a problem?" The Captains command the leadership but the subordination of the crew, in my opinion, was usually a first officers role in Trek.
In the Navy, the XO is the Enforcer and sets the tone for discipline and allows the Captain focused on the mission
The example he used was a bridge officer talking back to Spock, the new 3rd officer. They didn't talk to Pike or Riley that way. Comparing that interaction to someone talking back to Janeway, Picard or Sisko isn't an honest one.
We seen similarities in past trek shows as well. An example is when Worf was consistently back talking and second guessing Data when he was acting captain. Data eventually confronted him and put him in his place. Another example is the random lieutenant second guessing and back talking Beverly when she was acting captain. I'm sure there are other examples I can find if I looked. I think Tom has done it to Chakotay as well.
@@Bitchslapper316 Yes, there were those situations of insubordination; although, usually there was some justification to balance it. I guess with my Riker and Chakotay examples the point is some first officers didn't deal with as much back talk because they commanded fear as much as respect.
@@cannagli Yeah. I guess my point was they were both 1st officers and had command experience and experience with the crew. Spock was the third officer at this time and didn't have much. A better comparison to Spock's situation would have been a young Data as acting captain. The enterprise crew didn't second guess Pike or Riley either.
@@Bitchslapper316 Oh Ok, I understand your point now.
My father served in the US Marine Corps in the early 1950s. He told me stories about boot camp and his time in the service. If anyone then had dared spoken to a superior officer in such a disrespectful & casual manner they would’ve been severely disciplined, as in “you wish you could die” disciplined. The fact that she doesn’t start with “Sir” before speaking tells me none of the writers know anything about the military, the chain of command as well as the expectations of subordinates & superior officers. This is not to say someone of lower rank can’t give input or question an order. Captain Decker from the first Star Trek movie (Original Cast) argued with Admiral Kirk on several occasions but he did it in a respectful appropriate manner. He always said Sir, then pointed out the flaw in Kirk’s idea saying it was his duty as second in command to point out alternatives. The only time he openly defied Kirk’s order was when they were in the wormhole about to smash into an Asteroid that got caught in the worm hole. Kirk ordered phasers, Decker yelled “no belay that phaser order” and ordered photon torpedoes. Deck didn’t do this to show up or disrespect Kirk. He did it to save all of their lives. And when Kirk went to reprimand him afterward Kirk took him into his office to do it privately rather than do it in front of the crew. Once Decker explained himself Kirk knew Decker was correct & he was wrong & admitted it. Mutual respect.
As far as I’m concerned Star Trek canon stopped after TNG & all the contemporary spin offs. The Picard series, the Reboot, aren’t TREK canon.
Well said.
As you may have noticed Starfleet is not like the military when it comes to things like drill and it never was. Yes, Starfleet is also the military, Kirk once said "I am a soldier not a diplomat" (though I can't see Picard making that statement), but it was never of the "Sir, yes, Sir"-type. Also a lot depends on the captain, when Jellicoe took over command of the Enterprise-D in "Chains of Command" he had a quite different command-style than Picard. From what I've been told Jellicoes style is the one that is closest to a present day military commander.
Now I dislike Ortegas snarkiness as much as most people but I never get the impression that she is being disrespectful. Basically she states her objections, Spock ask wether she can do it and when he says "Then do it" she just does it without further comment.
@@gildor8866 -Kirk tells people to "stand at attention" in Shore Leave, and in Trouble With Tribbles and there are bells and (literal) Naval whistles all the time in the original (best) Trek.
That's "drill".
The original (have I mentioned its the best?) Trek was part battleship/part submarine destroyer..but all military...The idea that our exploration of space would NOT be militarized, and that it would not BE the military that performed it hardly occurred to Roddenberry, et al.
They did their best to make it look more relaxed however, they had tremendous foresight to know that this was going to be a "future" military without the brutalism the writers and other creators had themselves recently had actually lived through.
Yeah because we should be our standards on the 1950s USMC? HELL NO. There's a reason they don't act like that anymore.
Reminds me of Private Pile in Full Metal Jacket.
@@JB-1138 -The Russian ad makes me want to join the Russian Army.
The Chinese ad makes me want to join the Chinese Army.
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The American ad makes me want to join the Russian, or Chinese Army.
SNW is better than the average modern Trek, but that isn't saying much.
Do you like Tom Petty?
That doesn't make it good.
Prodigy is actually quite good too but all the rest of NU Trek is rubbish
Indeed - a polished turd is still a turd.
You're way too generous. SNW is as awful as the first season of Next Generation. SNW has (of course) better production value.
Good thoughts. The writer's room needs more people with actual military experience. Lots of great work in art direction, VFX, acting... being wasted on bland scripts and painful dialog.
Fuck military experience....I could write 8 scripts better than this garbage on my own.
And every character is a warrior, especially the women. A doctor, on Star Trek, used to be a doctor. The first few series the doctors were not soldiers. Even in battle, they were not the go to for gun fights. Too many of the characters are interchangeable. I can't believe it actually makes me prefer Discovery, which made me prefer any other Star Trek series.
Or at least watch some of the best military movies, tv shows. To understand what it means to be in military organization such as Starfleet.
Wait, did we watch the same Star Trek?! The entire show was anti military and anti capitalist with a really shitty military system that didn'tin work in universe half the time. The Enterprise D was basically an oversized Holiday Inn with half the ship being civilians having sex in the holodecks. Not to mention Star Fleet HQ being infiltrated every week because nobody did any checks.
I really like Strange New Worlds overall. I look forward to it every week since it came back. I do agree that the writing is lacking at times and is a bit too much of a stretch. I’m willing to overlook the fact that the Enterprise is much more advanced looking now, but I wish they’d at least brighten up the color scheme on the bridge so it at least calls back to TOS, and probably they should make it a little smaller and less cavernous.
I certainly don’t think the show is bad by any means. It’s trying to stick to cannon for the most part, but we’re reaching a point where after 60 years of this stuff, cannon starts to hold writers back or otherwise becomes too difficult to navigate while not sacrificing the story. So I give this series a lot of leeway in that respect. Unlike Discovery, it’s at least trying. I think that’s the right approach.
It's still way brighter than Picard...
The musical episode was awful.
@@davidspendlove5900 I agree with that. That episode sucked and there were a few others I didn't care for. There are also TNG (I'm looking at you ghost) and older trek shows that had horrible episodes to. Overall I think SNW is pretty good. The writers are clever and self aware for the most part. Even in episodes people complain are woke have bits making fun of woke culture as well.
@@davidspendlove5900 yeah that I will agree with
Dave you are so right. Spock is one of the oldest and smartest people on that ship. He’s treated especially by the buzzed cut helmsman/woman/person like he’s a 20 year old newbie human. I’m currently watching season 1 and hopefully unlike Star Trek Discovery I don’t check out after the second season and rewatch Star Trek Enterprise.
You will check out, the writing is too insulting. The only thing that could help this show is repeated brig sentence for helmsperson or securityperson.
The writers, many of whom are twenty and thirty somethings, are reflecting OUR world as is.
We overcorrected on personal mistreatment and mental health so much with gen z and millennials that they've grown up without anyone disciplining them or saying no or dressing them down.
So the normal 'i know everything ' arrogance of youth has gone into overdrive with no restraint....so you get these 23 year old kids telling people with way more life experience and work experience they're wrong all the time and because they communicate as much on the internet (even with friends) as they do in the real world so they e got stunted interpersonal skills and not only give sh1t to more experienced people but do it in a smarmy snotty sarcastic tone.
@@ryancarroll3957 These female characters are written exactly like the insufferable activist feminist writers. This is just bad writing, and pure crap from pig headed far left feminist lunatics. They write the female characters this way for a reason. It is propaganda.
@@ryancarroll3957 I agree. Thankfully, these terrible writers are on strike now and I hope they will leave the industry for good.
I got to be honest and I pushed hard for this show ( due to Anson Mount)...it gets worse...I had to check out finally after ep3 and will not renew after this month which I only paid to support Picard Season 3
Star Trek uses time travel too much. In Star Trek Online the game, they use time travel because it allows the writers to do what they like, I think the same approach is used for the TV series of anything Star Trek.
I can certainly see why you’d say that but I and many people love time travel episodes eg TOS guardian of Forever (Let’s get the hell out of here), SNW last episode S1 was brilliant (and explained why Spock would do anything for Pike), Voyager (time travel gives me a headache), Stargate SG1 (fruit loops and best time loop in all of SF), etc.
They also NEVER go outside north America it's so dull and repetitive...the USA is 4% of humanity ffsake can we explore the rest of earth in the past or future??? Or the other federation planets?? Enterprise gets crap but at least the explored Andor and Vulcan...nu trek made up like 100 new species shown on screen without exploring the ones we have already.
@@Scottlp2 Remember when every ST final episode since TNG except DS9 ended with kind of a time travel?
STO is a terrible game and I hate cryptic studio.
In my mind and noting will ever change my opinion, TOS to ENT is cannon and when new trek violates lore and cannon it automatically gets spilt into a different universe. just take Seven of 9 for example, She murdered all those people needlessly, she beamed out and was safe, how is she not facing prison from Starfleet? matter of fact they make her a commander then captain? nope. not in the same universe, it is it's own thing. that Captain Shaw guy is completely unstable and a drunk, a captain doesn't act that way.
Can't recall seeing Sisko on the DEFIANT with anyone answering his commands with SARCASM
With you on the casting of Kirk. The only person I have ever seen get it pretty much spot on is Vince Mignogna in the fan series, Star Trek continues. He has the tics and deliveries that William Shatner gave in TOS down to a tee
Exactly, Vic plays his version of Kirk very Shatneresque as a tribute to Bill.
That fan show was so damn good and made with obvious love and reverence for the original series. It beats the pants off of anything "official" that's been made in recent years.
@@VRM885 I don't get why Kirk is even in it. he is the captain of another ship, why have him hang around at all?
@@lesigh1749 He's not a captain as this point IIRC. He's a lieutenant.
I always found time travel a problem with any franchise that's not based on time "Dr Who or Twelve monkeys".
This is going off memory of MANY years ago, but in the first time travel episode in TOS I recall Spock saying Vulcan's believed time travel is impossible; yet every series (including Enterprise and Disco) are filled with it.
@CoreIreland , it was T'Pol who said it in an episode of "Enterprise."
Thank you for mentioning Twelve Monkeys. If you hadn't, I would. 👍
IDK...it was done well in Stargate
What about Trancers? Now that's timetravel done right. ;) Classic Dr. Who of course as well.
Ever since Feminist hack writers took over, Comedy, Sci-Fi and the Arts in general have gone to Hell. Entertainment is no longer entertaining, and I refuse to go back to the same store that has been serving this crap...CONSISTANTLY...for years now.
Entertainment went from being entertaining to being straight up social propaganda.
It is all deliberate and angering. A few years ago I looked at a few of the Arizona (my state) Universities Gender Studies programs. They proudly boast that their programs create exactly these types of activists. Society has been funding Marxist Communists through the University system to intentionally destroy everything cultural. No only should we not watch it, we need to destroy the source of this toxic garbage: destroy Gender Studies and all other Critical Theory programs.
🙌🙌🙌🙌👍
The F men movement has certainly obliterated Star Wars, Terminator, Willow, The Rings of Power and just about everything else. I refuse to watch or spend one dime on these corporate hacks and virtue signaling companies. Boycott them all.
@@ml5955Don’t forget Bond.
"But it has so much potential!" is the death knell for anything creative. It basically means that you can easily imagine something much better than what you are engaging. Since this can be true without regard to how mediocre or poor the product is, it makes for an easy thread by which creatives can squeeze by just doing what they are already doing. Sure, there is such a thing as not letting Perfect be the enemy of Good, especially when NO ONE has ever done better than Good in that area. But THESE producers and creatives have EARNED our deepest distrust. There's five series of Trek to rewatch. I'd rather do that again and enjoy myself than be strung along hoping against hope to find something, anything that lives up to its potential among the pretenders.
To go along with how insubordinate the helmsman was toward Spock, remember the trust the crew used to have in their commanders? Kirk's crew trusted him, as did Picard and Riker, and Janeway...
They don't want to say this show is in a different timeline, they want to say their show is in the real timeline. Just another way for them to degrade true trek.
Everything has to be 20 something % different for licensing, woke is just the cover to make $, sunken fallacy will keep it going for a while, especially if people keep watching
They expect the whole audience of legitimate Trek to accept their stupid ideology.
I've been arguing with idiots on another forum about that, who still insist it's canon Trek even though the Captain's quarters on the RETRO Enterprise are almost as big as the Enterprise-D's Ten Forward lounge.
In my mind and noting will ever change my opinion, TOS to ENT is cannon and when new trek violates lore and cannon it automatically gets spilt into a different universe. just take Seven of 9 for example, She murdered all those people needlessly, she beamed out and was safe, how is she not facing prison from Starfleet? matter of fact they make her a commander then captain? nope. not in the same universe, it is it's own thing. that Captain Shaw guy is completely unstable and a drunk, a captain doesn't act that way.
Degrade how, with this specifically?
One of the things that original trek took was Roddenberrys time in the military
I get the impression that a LOT of writers have never seen the content they're writing for. That's why it doesn't begin to match cannon. Sure they could go watch that stuff to catch up but then they'd rather write what they want to write and be lazy and they can't be bothered. I've long gotten the impression these days writers are hired for franchises or series or sagas that they've never even seen before and really don't care to. And it results in very a very sloppy cannon that goes all over the place.
There is no way in HELL Ortega would've been allowed to graduate from the Academy with her mouth let alone on any ship handling the helm. She would've been destroyed by her instructors and in the private sector; fired. She would've been either be demoted from helmsman to janitor cleaning up everything or get dishonorably discharged for her refusal to become disciplined. Either way, she would never be on a starship, let alone the Enterprise.
I didn't like the JJ movies but at least they had the sense to make it a separate timeline
Those movies were all special effects. Story sucked. If there was a way to make the OS movies with those effects, it would have been great. Too bad. The last one with Kirk on a motor cycle was childish and stupid.
As far as I'm concerned, all of this isn't so much alternate TIMELINE, but as Dave so rightly said, alternate UNIVERSE.
In my mind and noting will ever change my opinion, TOS to ENT is cannon and when new trek violates lore and cannon it automatically gets spilt into a different universe. just take Seven of 9 for example, She murdered all those people needlessly, she beamed out and was safe, how is she not facing prison from Starfleet? matter of fact they make her a commander then captain? nope. not in the same universe, it is it's own thing. that Captain Shaw guy is completely unstable and a drunk, a captain doesn't act that way.
Can you imagine a male subordinate of Una Chin-Riley talking to her like this on the show? You'd have to imagine it, since I'm not sure there are any on the ship.
What I appreciated most about Enterprise is it didn't contradict the original series that much. Even when they got some weird time travel action and an original series era ship came back to Enterprise timeline in the mirror universe - it was still the same weird analog system with the rectangular punch cards (which is what the 80s thought the future would look like before digital technology)
I agree a lot with what your saying, its a sophomoric way of approaching the new Star Trek audiences ... plus we are past a generation or 4 of audiences. I'm 60 yrs old, have watched all these new iterations of Trek. Terry Matalas has hit the mark with respecting as much of Next Gen. Paramount would allow. I know these young actors are taking on the Legacy characters trying to make it new and fresh. While us older fans remember a more reserved nurse Chapel and Spock, but its all entertainment in the long run. Wil Wheaton does his best to bridge the gap with the audiences ... May it all live and prosper unto everyones liking 🖖or not .... ?
Terry Matalas is Star Trek's best hope.
The problem is that they are woke. Depicting the female characters as perfect and belittling the male characters. Or having Spock speak like a 4 year old child. I want the ship to go..now. Are you kidding me. Spock knows the proper terminology it’s just that they want to belittle another character portrayed by a white man.
@@williamsweeney3215 , exactly, Leonard Nimoy's Spock in "The Cage" was assertive if you remember the scene where he takes command of the Enterprise after Pike, Number One and Yeoman Colt are trapped on the planet announcing: "This is the ACTING Captain, we're LEAVING". Ethan Pecke's cringing performance as Spock is an INSULT to Leonard Nimoy.
Anyone who was that disrespectful to a coworker even in a modern corporate office would find themselves in front of their manager or HR. No professionals behave that way. Maybe they do in Hollywood, but not anywhere else.
No, see, she is a strong stunning brave woman, so she can do it. Spock is a toxic man, and he needs to be emasculated by these queens. It's all the feminist BS propaganda on display.
Exactly if I spoke to my IT manager like that I would be in hot seat 😂this show is written like a joke
Not when the one disrespecting is a woman or a minority.
@@Vilfy Hence the Marxist approach to writing.
Try working with HS students or recent university graduates. They act much like New Trek characters.
Strange New Worlds lost me for good when the bridge crew were giving the captain backchat.
Edit 05:25 Dave smacked it out the park.
I'm glad I saw that. Ridiculous. Saves me time giving this show a chance .
I agree, Ortegas will not shut up. There was one particular Season 1 episode where she would just constantly quip the entire time like a peanut gallery because apparently the “writers” don’t really know what to do with her. I kept screaming “bitch, shut up!” each time she piped up.
@@TerribleEnglish I was thinking the same idea as yourself. I'm glad also that was pointed out. I'm not going to bother with Strange New Worlds either.
the first season had about 2 decent eps. but overall its a very boring stale series rehashing ideas. i still dont get what people see in pike, hes just a neutered tame version of a starfleet captain
@@MichaelAarons1701 LOL nice one Michael.
If had gotten that "mouthy" with a superior officer.......I would have been given the opportunity to memorise every square inch of the floor, close up memorisation,
All can say is this show is special...needs.
30 years ago while I was in the US Navy, I actually was a helmsman (among other bridge duties). When givin an order by the Conning Officer the helmsman does not argue, debate or ridicule the order, he follows it or he will be relieved and face discipline.
Missus and me are watching Voyager for the FIRST TIME as back in the day I was already suffering from TMTF (Too Much Trek Fatigue).
We are absolutely loving it!
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Upon rewatching (decades ago), I found earlier seasons of Voyager to be better than I remembered. They took a lot of risks with the storytelling. It probably looks like pure genius now.
You might find it gets even better after Seven of Nine makes her entrance. Enjoy the Golden Age of ST!
@@Bravehorizon1 fantastic character and actor.....already halfway through season 6😪
Paul Wesley looks like he's imitating Jim Carrey imitating William Shatner.
Uhura was infuriating in that first episode. "AND I HAVE A JOB TO DO."
Right, cause the guy was there to play videogames using the comms station.
Oh wait, no. He was *also* there to do his job ... which was to install a *security* patch.
S1 had its moments of being watchable but what ive seen of S2 so far had crushed any hope of this becoming a show im going to enjoy (and will be continuing to watch).
oh even more so after the end of S2. What they've done to Spock makes me cry. It's just sooo awful. I can't bear to watch anymore. I honestly hope the actors strike kills this show. What a shame.
Exactly. I was so wanting season 2 to be good so I can give new trek credit. Unfortunately it was a disaster. Too bad because I loved the first season. And season 3 got canceled because of the strikes, so I say good riddance.
@@Patricia599 see my comment about the show being cancelled because of the strikes 😉
It’s almost as if the people writing/producing this crap think they are making a historical documentary, not science fiction.
Many od the new writers a Marxists too, the believe utopia can be achieved. Of course, young, inexperienced writers don't understand military hierarchy. It's not harsh mate, it breaks immersion.
@@psychosociety7910 Yup, you get it!
Maybe they took Galaxy Quest literally? lol
@@Winterascent S0o hire Tim Alleen and let him write the new episodes. It would be a massive improvement.
In my mind and noting will ever change my opinion, TOS to ENT is cannon and when new trek violates lore and cannon it automatically gets spilt into a different universe. just take Seven of 9 for example, She murdered all those people needlessly, she beamed out and was safe, how is she not facing prison from Starfleet? matter of fact they make her a commander then captain? nope. not in the same universe, it is it's own thing. that Captain Shaw guy is completely unstable and a drunk, a captain doesn't act that way.
Star trek ended after Enterprise was canceled. RIP Star Trek
It's been resurrected with Season 3 of Star Trek: Picard with life-long Trek fan Terry Matalas as Showrunner. The Enterprises NX-01, NCC-1701-A, and D are back. The Enterprise-D BRIDGE is back, and Kirk's body still exists, preserved in stasis on board Section 31's Daystrom Station. Give it a try, trust me, you WON'T regret it.
Picard season 3 is not canon to TNG.
@@2271graham I’m afraid your massively overselling it. It has a few passable scenes (not even a whole episode of good) but is otherwise memberberries sprinkled into dross.
Agreed. The first 5 series were Trek and the TOS and TNG movies
I put the blame on Les Moonves, on causing this Bad Robot and Kurtzman monstrosity. Les cancelled Enterprise when it was just getting its bearings.
It's not necessarily the comments but how they are handled by the superior officer that's the problem. I remember Data commanding a ship and his 1st officer gave him lots of back chat. But he handled the situation like a G. Also, Worf was know to give both Riker and Picard backchat and show dissent. he also did it with Data in an episode, but they all knew how to put him in his place when necessary. Maybe the culture on this ship is supposed to be a little different. Pike said himself he doesn't mind dissent. He set the tone of the ship.
When word did back chat Picard would say those are my orders and word would say yes sir. Here it’s a lack of respect for his superior rank. Also Spock would never speak like this, “I want the ship to go…now” Are you kidding me? Sounds like a child.
@@williamsweeney3215 It's creative license and trying new things. That's how creativity is done and it won't always be a masterpiece. Learn to appreciate the good things. If TNG was aired at a time like this, it may not have made it past season 2. Yet here we are today, and its seen as a masterclass in Trek culture.
Decent? You mean "dissent?"
@@peterluna I did. Thanks for the correction.
There was that episode where Data was acting captain of the enterprise and Worf kept back talking and criticizing him on the bridge in front of the crew. Data eventually called him out and put him in his place.
There was also the episode when Beverly was acting captain and that random lieutenant kept back talking and questioning her.
I just think it's a respect thing.
She wouldn't question Pike or Riley that way and Spock hasn't earned a command reputation yet.
I was wondering how to really put into words how I felt about SNW and that Burnett rant really hit the nail on the head. It’s just YA trek, dedicated to scavenging and recycling stuff we’ve seen before and seen performed better.
Utterly shameful too how the novel Vulcans Glory was pillaged for Number Ones characterization. I’m not aware if Dorothy Fontana was given any credit at all for making Number One a genetically engineered Illyrian but- that was her idea in 1989.
@@VRM885what does YA mean?
@@VRM885 ah ok thanks
5:35 There was an entire, dramatic scene between Data and Worf about this exact kind of insubordination in TNG. Way to undermine it completely.
Maybe Worf was on the Holodeck watching Strange New Worlds and was getting ideas
@@Uhohoreo Worf would never dishonour his eyeballs watching that tripe.
@@adamweisshaup I don't think Kurtzman-verse writers are capable of uttering the sentence "I am sorry of this has ended our friendship," or "Sir, it is I who has endangered our friendship," for that matter.
@@VRM885 If your suspension of disbelief is more willing than mine that's one thing, but surely you could understand the basis for the complaint. The moral established in TNG was thrown out the window completely.
@@SaltpeterTaffy playing devils advocate. We do know that even amongst TNG and VOY era starfleet. They found the TOS era to be a much wilder and cowboy era of Starfleet. I distinctly remember Janeway and Ensign Kim mulling over what it was like back in TOS time. So it could just as easily be explained like that. This is a more rough and gruff Starfleet
are we ever going to get to see Pike actually on the bridge, you know BEING THE CAPTAIN!
No, he's everyone's cool older uncle who throws weekly dinner parties.
Did you...watch the series?
The episode does basically say though that Disco and SNW are an alternate timeline.
The timeline has been changed from how it was in Prime, thus alternate timeline.
On insubordination in Federation.
1. Dressed down by a superior officer.
2. Relived of post.
3. Disaplined.
4. Reduction in rank.
Insubordination in the Terran Empire
1. Releaved of post.
2. Ensign your agonizer.
3. The brig.
4. Summary execution.
5. Having your whole home planet destroyed.
In my opinion, it seems that the newer versions of the original production tend to prioritize realism and a darker tone, resulting in a different look. The original Star Trek had a brighter aesthetic, which now appears somewhat different from the futuristic style depicted in modern TV shows and movies with advanced effects.
In my mind and noting will ever change my opinion, TOS to ENT is cannon and when new trek violates lore and cannon it automatically gets spilt into a different universe. just take Seven of 9 for example, She murdered all those people needlessly, she beamed out and was safe, how is she not facing prison from Starfleet? matter of fact they make her a commander then captain? nope. not in the same universe, it is it's own thing. that Captain Shaw guy is completely unstable and a drunk, a captain doesn't act that way.
@@likeaboss1104 Some captains do act that way. Some doctors leave scissors inside of patients. I liked that they portrayed Shaw as a bit of an egotictical a-hole using "by-the-book" to hide that he was way out of his depth in deep space dealing with weird stuff. It also showed just how rediculous the antics of our heroes often are and just kind of go along with it because story. It wasn't all good but there was more good than bad - at least I thought so.
I don’t get why people are so mad that the enterprise got a visual change. Do you really want them to walk around in plywood interiors and for the ship look like a piece of plastic?
The Captain's quarters is obscenely large, and to further tone down Starfleet seriousness he's serving continental breakfast to the crew(while having Spock do dishes) Quarters that big only seem appropriate for the arrogant Imperial commanders of Star Wars. Sometimes it feels like they're a team of private explorers rather than Starfleet. Aside from some of the silliness there HAVE been some eps that have captured my attention. As you say the potential is there, just not fully tapped. Also, regarding this as a different timeline helps.
As someone who was in the Army my family gives me the side eye when I point out inconsistencies in who the military is portrayed in entertainment so I’m glad someone else feels my pain👍🏽
At last. Someone who shares my misery :)
It's future military! And technically, Starfleet isn't military, they're explorers, military adjacent because they have defense weapons and some loose military training.
Also, the people writing NuTrek hate you guys and america in general, fukk them.
I don’t think non-military viewers would except the characters not acknowledging what’s going on. Not giving “talk back “. I don’t think viewers would except our characters being told to do things, and then just saying yes. I understand that the military is very different. But not everyone does.
@@lindaschulman1789 I hear you but what immediately popped into my head was: “We follow orders son! We follow orders or people die!” 😂
Except Star Fleet isn't an Army and based on much more values than any army of any country.
oh god, I already get a bad feeling when I see Carol Kane
It is one of the really frustrating things about the series, the back talking among on duty bridge crew. Hard to imagine this conduct on any vessel, let alone a military one that is suppose to be the flagship of the federation. Feels like the writers watched reruns of Deadliest Catch to learn how to write dialog for this show. You are right Mr. Cullen, Kurtzman and his band of court jesters could have helped themselves and their target audience. If all the way back in Discovery they had announced that his shows were being set in an alternative Star Trek universe. Might have made those new Klingons of his more palatable. Then again maybe not.
Court Jesters. 😂😂😂👏👏👏
The Enterprise is not the flag ship at least it isn't supposed to be. In TOS the enterprise was just another ship on a mission of exploration one of dozens of constitution class ships out there
@@VRM885 Yes.
Ah yes everyone should act like a robot, that'll make good television!
Shaved head pro-noun is a must for any new show
DAVE CULLEN!!!! I hope you see this, can you do a direct back to back scene comparison with Spock and the lower officer with the scene from NEXT GENERATION with Worf sarcasm to Data when Data was Commander!!! This would be an awesome video idea with comparisons in terms of how rank works and orders!
What bothers me most about the new sets are how big they are? I guess with the budget available in the 60's, the sets had to be small. The small size makes sense though, especially with the crew quarters. It is a space ship, size should be a design limitation on a real ship. Captain Pike's quarters are unbelievably huge. Even the regular crew quarters. All of the hallways are so wide also. Yes, Engineering looked a little small in TOS, but the rest of the sets looked the right size to me.
Pike's quarters are bigger than Picard's and JANEWAY's on the Enterprise-D and E and on Voyager, which sums up this farce.
it should have that Retro look to it but it doesnt! when new trek violates lore and cannon it automatically gets spilt into a different universe in my mind! thats why paramount is in the hole and will go bankrupt! hopefully after that there wont be any more of this trash trek
TOS was made on a shoe-string budget. I remember reading they had to use sound effect to cover of the sounds of the creaking floors as the actors walked on them. There are some books that describe how little money they had to work with. The actors were sometimes sews into the uniforms because the cheap zippers failed.
@@likeaboss1104 , we live in HOPE.
What about the shuttles? They are huge inside. Apparently in the future life support and breathable air are easy to come by in a vacuum for Starfleet since most of the federation ships seem to have a lot of area on the interiors as compared to the Klingon and Romulan interiors I have seen for the most part.
Bringing the eugenics wars closer to the future makes it closer to their time and make it easier to beat us over the head with THE MESSAGE!
Been waiting for you to talk about this. Cheers Dave!
This could have been a great show. I was originally excited for casting Anson Mount but he is a diamond in a turd sandwich.
Exactly right. He is the best but supported by crap writing and a poor cast. Too bad, I had high hopes for it when it started but dropped out after 2 episodes of season 1.
The reason the producers work so hard to tie it to original canon is to change what came before and destroy / taint it. We can’t have our original heroes. The ideology won’t allow it.
and JJ tek was not working
not purposely. dont mistake arrogance and mismanagement for malevolence. modern hollywood thinks theyre on the winning side and that theyre righteous in their idealogy.
In my mind and noting will ever change my opinion, TOS to ENT is cannon and when new trek violates lore and cannon it automatically gets spilt into a different universe. just take Seven of 9 for example, She murdered all those people needlessly, she beamed out and was safe, how is she not facing prison from Starfleet? matter of fact they make her a commander then captain? nope. not in the same universe, it is it's own thing. that Captain Shaw guy is completely unstable and a drunk, a captain doesn't act that way.
Destroy? How does this destroy it? And not just pointlessly change it? Because this doesn't take away any of the original heroes. I feel like you may be looking for an issue in this case, if so.
@@Dagenspear He speaks the truth. The show is confined to a progressive political ideology. It's cringeworthy and it will eventually end up in a petrol station bargain bin along with Discovery and New Doctor Who.
Enjoyed your balanced and upfront take. I've taken a break after S2 Ep1. Maybe I'll push ahead now with lower expectations. At first I found the crew refreshing when first introduced on Discovery, but overall I've been disheartened by what's happened to both ST and SW the last decade.
Einstein’s Theory Of Relative Continuity: The Eugenics Wars are always 30 years in the future.
What I dont like about modern trek are the sets, particularly the lighting. Why is it always so dark? I assume they need to see to pilot extremely advanced and technical spacecrafts? It reminds me of when the First Doctor complained to Twelve about how dark his TARDIS was. He likened it to a "French Restaurant" I believe lol
I decided that I'd watch all the new studio Treks similar to how you say, each with its own context, my 'favourite' newer ST series was the independent 'Star Trek Continues'.
That's because Vic Mignogna is an actual Star Trek fan and cares about things like consistency and continuity, which is more than can be said about NuTrek writers.
@DjentleBen1105 , exactly Vic Mignogna, Terry Matalas, Manny Coto, AND James Cawley are all TRUE Star Trek fans as is Star Trek: First Frontier's creator Kenny Smith who built a 20 foot model of the Enterprise as it looked in the first two pilot episodes and also recreated the Bridge from "The Cage" in painstaking detail.
The timeline change works for me from a few different standpoints, either the genetics war always took place in the 90s but changes to the timeline shifted it, like we saw in strange new worlds and voyager…Voyager was the one that really messed up the genetic war timeline when they had that time travel episode with Sarah silwerman. Or the genetics war never took place in the 90s but because of records being destroyed/distorted during ww3 the people in the original Star Trek series estimated it took place during the 90s and khan, having read up on a ton of their history didn’t want to correct them.
I love the intellect and insight of your reviews and I agree like 99.9% with your thoughts. Thank you! the 0.1% though is that I really like Wesley as Kirk - maybe consider embracing this is an alternative timeline and he might grow on you!
DS9 actually moved the Eugenics Wars to the late 21st century first in the episode “Doctor Bashir, I Presume?”
Even back then I thought that was a mistake.
VOY missed an excellent moral storytelling opportunity when they went back to the 1990's in Future's End. The crew should have expected to be in the middle of the Eugenics War and WWIII, but everything is lively and peaceful. They find out that it's because the guy changed the past by introducing the new tech and then must decide to correct history and the killing of millions, or let the changed past continue, possibly destroying the future with the Federation.
It was, anything that changes anything the original series set up is non-canon. The original series is sacrosanct. Our modern times is not part of Star Trek canon. Star Trek always had a different history internally. Eugenics War in the early 1990s, and we had advanced space travel by 2018. (see episode Space Seed. We also had made it to Saturn, as in Tomorrow is Yesterday. We were looking at space weapon's platforms in the late 1960s.
Actually the Eugenics Wars were not pushed back to the 21st century in the episode. Ronald D. Moore even confirmed it. He was thinking of Khan's speech from TWOK "On Earth 200 years ago I was prince... while in fact it should have been 300 hundred years and the number stuck in his head so that's what the Admiral said but he confirmed the Eugenics Wars still happened in 1996. It was just a general number given to indicate it happened a long time ago. He even said how it would have been a real mess to try to explain why the dates had changed.
It wouldve made more sence to make a series in the 25th century with all this advanced tech and not keep going back and altering the original canon but here we are.
I'd like to see a next Next Generation. Jump ahead a few decades like TNG did to TOS and go from there.
In my mind and noting will ever change my opinion, TOS to ENT is cannon and when new trek violates lore and cannon it automatically gets spilt into a different universe. just take Seven of 9 for example, She murdered all those people needlessly, she beamed out and was safe, how is she not facing prison from Starfleet? matter of fact they make her a commander then captain? nope. not in the same universe, it is it's own thing. that Captain Shaw guy is completely unstable and a drunk, a captain doesn't act that way.
@@likeaboss1104 As Rich from Red Letter Media said "It's great that Seven's search for her humanity ended with her becoming a psychotic vigilante".
When a Klingon gives up information because of a beat down, that's where I had to say 'what?'
Remember when Spock interrogated/forcibly mind-melded his subordinate, on the bridge, in front of everybody, in STVI - now he's like the bridge crew's whipping boy...
I agree that Paul Wesley is miscast as Kirk. Kirk is larger than life. He's someone that you can't ignore on screen. Ed Speleers on the 3rd season of Picard was much closer to Kirk than Paul Wesley could ever be, but now we're stuck with him for the foreseeable future.
Ed Speleers is terrific as Jack Crusher and one of the major reasons Season 3 of Picard was so successful. You're spot-on about Paul Wesley as Kirk, but then ALL of them are poor substitutes for the original actors they have replaced. Sooner this farce of a series ends the BETTER. If Pike, Kirk, Spock, Uhura, and Chapel are going to return to the Star Trek Universe, then it should be done with Deepfake CGI-RECREATED images of Jeffrey Hunter, William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett. Star WARS had a full episode of "The Book of Boba Fett" that featured a Deepfake de-aged Mark Hamill as a young Luke Skywalker, thanks to the Deepfake artist Shamook. The Roddenberry Archives have also teamed up with the CGI Company Otoy to recreate Leonard Nimoy's image of Spock visiting Kirk's grave on Veridian III. Time Star Trek took a leaf out of Star WARS' book and ceased the practice of recasting legacy characters as it's an insult more than anything else to the original actors alive or deceased who played them.
Star Trek Deep Space Nine was the pinnacle of Star Trek writing.
Change my mind.
That is illogical captain
I didn't like it until the Klingons came in and then everyone went to war
Well, ya in a sense, but this wasn’t supposed to be that. This was supposed to be like TOS and it has humor that works, likable characters (VS STD), pretty good plots, humor and dark moments.
I can't change your mind, nor would I. DS9 is Gen-X Star Trek, and it is awesome.
TNG is the best ! Captain Picard trumps all of the Federation!
LMFAO Wesly Crusher saying that to Picard... Holy fuck... "Would you like to be tossed out an airlock? Or should I just beam you directly into space?"
Love your content, Dave, but, as an American, I got crack out the VPN segment..."rooter" LOL Keep up the great stuff!
When the Gorn show up YEARS before “Arena” and are a known faction that Starfleet has experience with I knew this show was again not even trying to be cannon. All new Trek, 2009 on is non-cannon.
Cannon--a mounted gun for firing heavy projectiles; a gun, howitzer, or mortar.
Canon--a general rule or standard, as of judgment, morals, etc.
Some people just can’t figure out why everyone hates them.
I agree that Kirk has been miscast but.... I did feel he was more like the Kirk we all know in the time travel episode. Maybe because he was from yet another universe. lol
I sorta feel the same. As an SNW fan and someone who rates Paul Wesley as an actor, I do feel like he's miscast. However, he doesn't manage to have the classic 60s swashbuckling feel of Shatner. That being said, Shatner's Kirk and performance was a product of its time. It was never the strongest and in today's age, would be laughed at as amateurish.
Correct about this being from another Universe.
I sooo agree with you on this review. SNW has some great potential, but writers just don't know how to write Trek. Like the other new Treks, it tends to cram in characters and events from the original - rather than being original. And all the original characters are written in ways that just totally out of....character.
Stop an attack in Toronto? Lol, that footage from the clip you show is about a 20 minute walk down the street from me! I'll have to watch it just for the 4th wall-breaking scenes from my home city! Also, we have Toronto City Hall, which appeared in the Stargate in one of the TNG episodes as one of the places that you could jump in and teleport to. I assumed it was just a similar looking building for years before finding out that it was indeed Toronto City Hall, the building here that kind of looks like a flying saucer about to take off from an opening silo.
I like the Dr M'benga character. The actor is top notch & his portrayal exudes wisdom.
I wasn't too keen on him at first but his portrayal won me over especially once they ended the sick daughter arc and he got to come into his own more.
Yeah I like the doctor as well. Pike too. The Chief engineer that died in the first season.
All the other characters I personally find insufferable.
@@bjrnhalfhand2258 Same
Contrary to Discover in its entirety (which is a big word for such a vacuum) or Picard 1 & 2, this series has the potential to be very good. Maybe if Terry Matalas or another Trekkie (or Trekker) is at the helm and make it so! Thanks.
Al Terry did for Picard 3 was frantic fan service. He is not proven yet.
That would be a fantastic idea. He knows how to write respectful and mature crew members, which will be invaluable.
@@RoodeMenon I agree. He's yet to forge his bat'leth the proper way. But he's doing well with the characters and cast.
@@Melkur1981 He has this skill, indeed.
@RoodeMenon , are you KIDDING??? Picard was TOILING when Terry Matalas took over as Showrunner, and he's reinvigorated the franchise. Season 3 viewing figures were through the roof, but I guess there's just no pleasing some people? 🙄 As for RETRO Trek, Discovery/Strange New Worlds, I don't believe Terry would touch it with a shitty STICK as being a REAL Star Trek fan, he sees no other than Jeffrey Hunter as Pike, William Shatner as Kirk, Leonard Nimoy as Spock, Nichelle Nichols as Uhura and Majel Barrett as Number One and Nurse Chapel.
I'm wondering if the 3rd episode of S2 actually did just establish that Discovery and SNW take place in an alternate timeline. If the date of Khan/Eugenics Wars got pushed into the 2020s by the Temporal Cold War, yet we saw that it was in the 1990s in TOS, then Discovery and SNW are in a branched timeline off of Enterprise. So in TOS, Laan probably never existed and much of Pike's adventures were different. Discovery was also probably different or never existed.
Although I guess Picard S2 also hinted at Khan... so maybe this is all the result of First Contact? Originally Cochrane and Lily Sloane flew the Phoenix (in the TOS thru Generations timeline, perhaps with Enterprise launching without the Temporal Cold War interference), but then the Borg and Enterprise-E got involved and altered the timeline, leading to Enterprise as we saw it (confirmed in Regeneration). So when the Enterprise-E returned to the 24th century it actually returned to a new timeline they helped create. I think the point being that Discovery and SNW can't be set as a prequel to TOS as we saw it; it's an alternate timeline just like the JJ movies.
The crap timeline. 😂
I think the producers loved that one skit in an episode of "In Livin Color" where Jim Carrey plays Kirk so they thought they can get an actor who resembles Carrey and recreate that experience!
My dad said something along those lines.😂
My own headcanon that I've adopted is that there are three timelines: Original, Kelvin, and Prime. Prime actually starts with Star Trek: Enterprise and continues on from there into Discovery, Strange New Worlds, and Picard. Lower Decks and Prodigy are in a sort of pseudo-limbo where they might be Original and might be Prime. But Original is TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, the movies through Nemesis (though First Contact is a crossove/the progenitor of the Prime timeline), and at least some of Voyager? Voyager had a bit too much timey-wimey, wibbly-wobbly going on for me to be sure it's all part of the Original timeline.
You are attempting to tie ST:Picard in with RETRO Trek. Are you SERIOUS??? Are you forgetting that the Constitution Class USS New Jersey in the Fleet Museum is a TOS design? The Enterprise-A is also there, as is Kirk's commandeered Klingon Bird of Prey The Bounty, Gorkon's Quonos 1, and Archer's NX-01. Oh, and are you forgetting the rebuilt Enterprise-D??? Get this into your head, my friend, RETRO Trek is a totally DIFFERENT Universe from the one Robert Pralgo's Captain April, Jeffrey Hunter's Captain Pike, William Shatner's Captain Kirk, Leonard Nimoy's Captain Spock and Patrick Stewart's Captain Picard exist in. How CAN it be the same Universe when the RETRO Enterprise is more advanced than Picard's Enterprises D and E and Janeway's Voyager???
ENT isn't bad at all, it took a few seasons to get going but in season 3 and specially 4 it gets really awesome with the orion slave girls showing up and telling us why Klingons look the way they do.
You know, with the temporal fuckery part of pushing up the eugenics wars, the easy one would be to take it as a tie in to the Voyager 2 parter with Chronoworks due to the Aeon's crash. I'm pretty sure that Starling going through things would be very interested in not having the eugenics wars and WW3...
Yeah, I always thought that introducing all the Time Travel BS completely RUINED Enterprise... The show could have expanded on exploring the human's first interactions with Klingons in more detail, and showing the crew dealing with far more 'primitive' Starship technology. Though instead they introduced all that Temporal Agency BS and the conflict with some stupid new invisible alien species...
@@StreetPreacherr , or even the beginning of The Romulan Wars as Manny Coto intended to do if "Enterprise" had got a fifth season.
When it comes to character writing, I would love to hear your thoughts on the documentary CHRIS CLAREMONT'S X-MEN, which is easy to find streaming. I've made a habit of referencing it since my own viewing, and I think it's a worthwhile look into what good character writing is like.
Nailed it. The heart of the matter. I admire your passion for Trek and common sense. Nice to know there's a channel for the sane scifi audience
I was in the army also and we both know back talk to someone who's in command will get you in a stew. LOL. Spock is the EX and had a crew member tell him his order was a bad ideal,I also spit out th soda I was drinking !!!! LOL.
I gave up on Discovery in season 3 as it was just like torturing myself in the hope it might one day improve. SNW's season 1 started with promise, not great but good enough to keep watching then dipped hard midway through S1 before recovering with a semi decent finale. So far season 2 has been closer in quality to Discovery. It's not the cast at fault, with the exception of Erica's character (who I find insufferable), but the writing throughout series 1 & 2 has wildly varied in quality and consistency and whatever has changed in the writing room for season 2 hasn't helped matters. I want to like SNW more than I do, there's promise here but the writing is consistently the weak link.
Possibly the Discovery writers, now that Discovery has been cancelled, are infiltrating the SNW writers room. BTW, I gave up on Discovery mid way through season 3 too, too much crying and feelings right in the middle of life and death situations.
When we now have our REAL Star Trek back with Terry Matalas' Superb Season 3 of Picard and hopefully a new Legacy series on the way, I just want this RETRO Trek garbage to END. Let's get back to PRIME Universe Trek and enjoy the adventures of Captain Seven of Nine and her crew of the Enterprise NCC-1701-G.
In my mind and noting will ever change my opinion, TOS to ENT is cannon and when new trek violates lore and cannon it automatically gets spilt into a different universe. just take Seven of 9 for example, She murdered all those people needlessly, she beamed out and was safe, how is she not facing prison from Starfleet? matter of fact they make her a commander then captain? nope. not in the same universe, it is it's own thing. that Captain Shaw guy is completely unstable and a drunk, a captain doesn't act that way.
The interaction between Spock and the androgynous pilot of the ship is, sadly, a reflection of the way modern workplace interactions have devolved. I am increasingly seeing young people come into my workplace and disrespecting their immediate supervisor with a lot of snarky back talk and belittling comments. The worst part is that many people in positions of authority allow this behavior, resigning themselves to the fact this is just part of this newer generation's culture.
She ruins the show for me. She's so out of place in Trek and always has some sort or snarky comeback to everything. I just want the character to shut up and do her job.
REALLY ??? But,I guess if upper management doesn't support your position by being a supervisor that will happen.But,on the bridge of a starship this BS can't be allowed to happen.What'll happen when you give an order while you're being attacked by 3 Klingon Bird's of Prey and your helms man tells you that's a terrible ideal,the next instant your ship is space debris. LOL. If you allow a subordinate to counter you during a routine matter,when it comes to a critical situation,you're done.
I'm in my late 30s and see this as well. People in HS or right out of university talk back to people with 10+ years of experience like we're equals. Also, the use of informal terms of bro and public profanity is on the rise. I don't always agree with my bosses or coworkers but I don't back talk them and consider that they've got skills/experience I lack. Talk however you want off the clock, on the clock be professional.
People gripe about this new generation having abysmal attitudes but I ask you, who PARENTED these brats, and who parented their parents...?
@@briancolwill3071 Agreed. Fundamentally, the poor behavior exemplified by this generation rests squarely on the generation that raised them. It is my generation's permissiveness that led to this. Hence, my critique is more levied at my generation than the current one. That is why I concluded my initial comment by highlighting the managerial class, most of who are from my generation, emphasizing their complicity in these matters.
Would to see an episode with captain Jellico in charge and see how fast the bridge crew changes thier tune lol
its the closest to what we define as good star trek that has been released lately(picard series reunion scenes excluded), but as you say its not must watch tv, "ill watch it at some point, when more has come out" kind of star trek, but miles ahead of previous attempts, bring back the family, bring back the point of star trek.
this is where i have issues with TV shows based on old cannon. It was the issue, not th eonly one, that Discovery had until they wen't forward in time.
I just wish that shows like this would just move forward in time and that way they aren't relying on being so close to the original shows time frame. if that makes sense
In a way it was good that the "eugenics wars" was delayed into the 21st century considering that we still didn't have the technology to create something like augments even now, let alone back in the 90's.
Hey, remember when RMB marched lockstep with the critics on Shang-Chi and everyone just kind of ignored it because he's on "our side"? I remember.
I find the writing in SNW to be bizarre. I agree, it has a lot of potential as a series but the god awful writing really hinders the great cast, set and effects. My biggest gripe with the show is what they have done to Spock. It is so weird to see a beloved, well documented character such as Spock be rewritten as an angsty teenager.
Imagine if such drivel is almost watchable, the massive enthusiasm a show featuring merit, honor, dedication, respect, competency, and unity would ignite among Trekkies.
Another woke propaganda show. Women are portrayed as strong minded, intelligent and wise. Whereas, the men are weak, clumsy and stupid. It reminds me of Doctor Who. It's painful to watch CBS butchering a legendry show. If Gene Roddenberry's is looking down, he must be furious.
Its called "Dune"
@@Brismo7 the new one or the original?
Ortegas was also correct to observe it was a bad idea. Spock had been affected by the radiation, which is the major plot point of the episode. If Spock had not been in an impaired state he would have not advised them to hide amongst the source of the radiation. The source of the radiation was discovered by the crew on the Enterprise, it’s revealed to Pike on the planet’s surface where there is an asteroid impacted on the surface that’s been there for a thousand years. Pike clearly takes advantage of the ore of the palace to get things back in order on the Enterpise, the crew doesn’t figure it out through the asteroids they’re surrounded by in space because they’re all impaired by their radiation.
This all being said, Ortegas IS normally a back talker and in many past episodes is also wrong, and she’s easily the most underdeveloped character on the show. Wesley did have times where he talked back to Picard and Riker. That’s where “shut up Wesley” came from.
Ortegas's observation may have been valid, but her addressal of it wasn't. Back talk is unprofessional and Starfleet should've disciplined her against it. Given that they failed, the command should've tackled it next. I agree with Dave's assessment: the work environment is all wrong for a pseudomilitary organization.
@@r0bw00d Empahsis on Psuedo.
Spot on as usual thank you.
I think its the second best live action thing to come out of NuTrek (since 2009). We need to support it and Picard S3 to encourage the powers that be to produce better Trek.
For an in-universe explanation, Ortegas being disrespectful could be due to the mind-altering radiation that the crew is suffering from.
I agree with you on the writing of casual insubordination. It's a problem throughout TV writing now where it feels like every show, no matter the world it inhabits, talks as if they're all working at a startup tech company in San Jose California.
That aside, I do believe that canon is important in the details. Modernizing the look and feel is necessary because it's simply appearances--a new stage production if you will. But you cannot mess with something as immutable as the year in which something occurred. As you say, it's just science fiction: we can change appearances. But you have to stick to the lore and its logic.
I love this show, LOVE it, aside from the occasionally flippant dialogue. Might be the best cast of characters/actors since TNG. And the writing of plot, action and character interactions is very good.
You're saying "I don't buy it" without explaining why. I buy it and am having a great time watching it. I will say... the recent "Lost in Translation" episode was the first time I "didn't buy it." Kirk and Pike believing Uhura based on her feeling....? This is the first time the show has slipped for me. They did it because it's Uhura... but in the logic of the show, she's just an ensign. Go find evidence, do some homework, prove it to Kirk, prove it to Pike. Don't say, "fire torpedos," without evidence.
Hi Dave, I never watched Star Trek, do you think it is a good idea starting with Strange New Worlds? Cheers
I am really turned off by how the Gorn were made Xenonorph knockoffs. That goes too far into scifi horror for me.
What? If the Gorns were Xenonorphs then Classic Kirk would have been toast within minutes in Arena.
Nu Trek ripped off the ending of Return of the Jedi for Picard season 3s finale. Strange New World's action scenes look straight out of JJ Abrams Star Wars trilogy with similar "funny quips" like Marvel movies can't...stop...doing... It's like Trek lost all it's professionalism and science and replaced it with literally what every other sci-fi like franchises have already been doing and there's very little that separates Trek from anything else anymore.
Star Trek, like Star Wars and Dr. Who, has become a shell of it's former self. It is simply a means to spread "The Message" written by people who have no real experience with anything outside of their echo chamber. Thanks for the video Dave. Cheers.
That has little to do with what this video is really about.
You can tell they are all diversity hires because the quality sucks.