UNMARKED Speed Vans Spotted. (How ironic)
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Exceeding speed limit by 2Mph is far less an offence than tailgating and intimidating.
In my 30 years driving experience, the police are by far, the worst tailgaters and generally bad, lazy drivers, my defence is to slow down for all tailgaters, especially the police.
See how well that goes in court, "He slowed down, your honour, to avoid an accident!"
This happened to me on new years eve, I'm sure they were fishing and it came to nothing but it doesn't aid my cynicism
(Leicestershire)
I must admit I would have thought the same as the driver..
@@IvyMike. I had a marked police car pull out in front of me at our local garage. I had to brake to avoid hitting them. This garage is where they go to stock up on all the healthy stuff like pies, chocky bars, etc during their shift.
They knew exactly what they were doing. Intimidated the driver in front to speed up, then pulled them over. Who in their right mind is going to stop and call the Police, when they are already feeling threatened by a following vehicle? Also, if the area is known for crime, that makes it even worse.
Dialing 999 in an emergency where you don't feel it is safe to stop (as I understand it) is permitted as an exception to the no-phones rule. I would definitely keep moving and dial 999 if I were being clearly and persistently followed by a stranger, too...
If the cops can get revenue from doing fuck all then they will;, if it takes more than a slight effort to catch a real criminal then they won’t bother….it’s getting like America in the 50’s …
@@user-mv5zt8qd9l Probably do them for that as well.
blatantly mimicking the behavior/technique of car jackers.
If this the case, they will get found out as so many motorists have dash cams front and rear these days.
I've had an unmarked car try and intimidate me into speeding. Was quite a few years ago, road between Skipton and Kendal. I knew he was an unmarked car as I had just passed him finishing up with another biker, lights on etc. He caught up with me after a village and sat on my back tyre for miles, trying to push me into speeding.
Because I knew he was an unmarked, I stubbornly stuck to the speed limit. He was following me through overtakes, I thought quite dangerously.
They're dangerous and a law unto themselves.
Not to mention total hypocrites.
You should have made one of your overtakes neatly and tucked in so there was no space for him to pull in behind you , or slowed down until an oncoming car made it impossible for him to continue and then neatly finished your overtake in front of the other vehicle .
I had an unmarked car goad me into speeding. Got me up to 90+ mph in a 60.
Pulled me over when I slowed to let him overtake & said I was driving very well but ought to slow down a bit.
He knew he was goading me & I think just wanted to play. Let me off with a smile.
There are some good ones out there...
I think the word you're looking for is "wankers"!
@@peterthomas5792 But he wasn't one of them.
@@BillDavies-ej6yeyeah does that make hurting someone ok as long as you smile
The camera vans here in Northamptonshire have a full grey vinyl wrap applied but if you check the registration they come back from the DVLA as white on the log book. The grey colour is clearly there to help them blend in. See what happens if you drive around with a car where the colour doesn't match the log book...
it is an offence to change the colour of a vehicle and not record the change of colour .
Ka-ching !
You do not need to notify the DVLA about a wrap as the colour change isn’t permanent.
As he says^. If the change isn't permanent i.e. paint, then it doesn't need to be recorded. Insane, but there you go.
I think that it's illegal not too change the registered colour when you wrap a vehicle - I had to when I painted my first car a different colour
(Canary yellow, since you ask)
Just read on a wrapping company's website a colour change wrap has to be registered with DVLA since 2017
I had this once. I was traveling home and was tailgated by what I could make out as a Vauxhall nova. A typical "boy racer" car at the time. I was used to boys"challenging" me because at the time I drove a Renault 5 GT Turbo. The car behind had many chances to overtake but didn't, so to put some distance between us, I used the car's acceleration and handling to shoot around an S bend and left the nova for dust. Next thing the lights come on and I get pulled over and breathalysed. I don't have the habit of answering police back, but I called his driving abysmal and I feared for my safety the way he was driving. He said I said lucky he was not a traffic car otherwise I'd have been booked for speeding. I replied I would hope a traffic officer wouldn't have behaved the way he did.
5s are shit slow
1.4 turbo? a nova Sr would be able to keep up and maybe beat u ... typical boy racer? what u think a reggie 5 is?? mate dont chat crap u was speeding end of and dont act like your hot hatch is any different to a Nova ... i owned a mk2 5 turbo and a nova sr a 205 gti etc and if u was in that era u was a boy racer... now i am off to read my max power!.
trying to shame another hot hatch driver is all kinds of f up
Exactly how I got my first ticket.Very noticeable the culture when I venture into neighbouring North Yorkshire
i had exactly the same happen on the M5, late night, i was in the middle lane overtaking a bunch of cars, tailgated at 80 even though the outside lane was clear, blue lights came on at 100. averaged 92.7 so only got 3 points.
I was repeatedly and unfairly targeted in my R5 GT Turbo back in the 90s by the police.... the car was a magnet for trouble and police attention which ultimately led me to selling it and buying a 1.0 fiesta
I was a postman for most of my life. When we started really early in the morning I had to be driving to work at 3.30am. I lost count of how many times unmarked police cars came racing up behind me. Essentially bumper to bumper. Revving their engines, trying to intimidate me to accelerate away for my own safety. Occasionally I'd pull over to let them pass. That's when they pull up, get out, and confidently swagger over to my car. They were always so deflated seeing my uniform and realising I was on my way to work. Didn't stop them warning me that I didn't signal at a junction, or slow down enough etc etc. They always need their little power trips. We all suffered this over the years. Especially early on a Saturday morning.
It's what happens when you give an idiot a high viz vest at the very least..
Imagine giving them a badge too. 🥔!
Goading? I've heard how sly tactics are used to create crimes. I think there was a story about undercover police driving on motorways and watching business vehicles. They would call the company number on the side of the vehicle and watch the driver answer their mobile, then they would pull them over.
As one of these myself it’s a shame some left such a poor impression, however doesn’t mean that we all do it so I do wish people would stop generalising. The few bad apples don’t mean we are all arses, same in any industry
@@mattcatlow47 My daddy says the police can't be everywhere. So, I say we need to find a sure fire and simplified way to ensure safety.
I am sick of seeing people not slowing back down to 30 when coming to a roundabout at a dual carriageway to go straight over.
I have lost count of the vehicles I seen this week with numberplates so filthy they are unreadable!
One such vehicle nearly collided with me as they drove on the pavement around a vehicle with flashing beacons not considering people wearing hi-vis working there. A builder witnessed it.
I know many police cars are up and down those roads but see nothing and have not thought to utilise their social media to put out a warning on dirty plates. 3 incidents I have had in the last 3 weeks in the same area. Am I just unlucky?
@@hannahjames3180 On a similar note. We have a whole stretch of road outside where we live that has double yellow lines with curb blips. That means no dropping off, no picking up, no waiting, no stopping. However there is a Macdonalds here too. So cars park up all the time, half on the pavement, to go in for their burger.. Including police cars. They just don't care.
For a couple of years between engineering jobs, I did some delivery work that involved transporting known air freight. For those who don't know, known freight is made up of items that have been cleared as safe to go on an aircraft but still need to be transported by road to the airport.
During one such delivery in the early hours of the morning, I noticed I was being followed by a pair or headlights. I was doing the speed limit and they just sat behind me for about 20 miles, following me past every junction. I slowed to about 40mph (there was no other traffic around) they stayed behind instead of overtaking. I sped back up to the speed limit and they still stayed behind.
Then a pair of blue lights started flashing between the headlights.
Instead of pulling over straight away, I called 999 and told the operator that someone was attempting to pull me over with blue lights, can you verify who they are please. She was more than happy to help and asked me a bit more about what was going on. She said there were no police vehicles active at the locations I was giving as I was going along.
She asked for a description of my vehicle and the one following and because I was driving a commercial vehicle, asked if I was carrying a load if so, the nature of that load.
As soon as I said "known air freight" her tone changed followed by noticeably louder and furious keyboard typing. She then said "Stay on the phone, Do not stop, help is coming" and within what seemed like minutes, a pair of armed response BMWs dropped out of hyperspace behind me and pulled both of us over. Traffic officers were bringing up the rear blocking all 4 lanes of the motorway.
I was back on my way after about 20 minutes or so.
It turned out that the 2 arrested were part of a small gang that were using blue lights to pull over trucks and vans to steal high value cargo and in a couple of cases, giving the drivers a right good kicking if they didn't cooperate.
Something to take away from this is that if you are being followed and feel something isn't right, call the police but whatever you do, DO NOT STOP.
Even if the vehicle behind is a genuine police car, not stopping while you try to determine wether it's genuine or not will not land you in trouble. In most cases the call operator will put you in direct contact with the officer behind you to remove all doubt. If you still don't stop though, you will have a hard time convincing anyone you were in fear for your safety.
This is exactly the advice from Police Scotland . If you cannot telephone for help , drive directly to the nearest police station , do not leave your car , sound your horn until officers come out .
Yeah I always wanted to live in a police state where there's a camera on every street and secret vans ensuring that I can't ever do anything that the government doesn't allow. Really makes life feel like it's worth living.
I also HATE that they never seem to do a damn thing about tailgating.
I remember reading about a car that kept speeding past one of these camera vans, the police couldn't understand why he was doing this to himself until they checked the number plate and it turned out to be theirs
Think it was in Norway, the lads distracted the cop driver while their mate stole the camera van's rear reg plate and put it on their own car, before driving past it at speed dozens of times.
That is hilarious.
@@sidwills Cabbage someone else has already replied confirming it you sad plank. Troll blocked
Police vehicles do not show up on speed cameras
Police vehicles do not show up on speed cameras
Similar thing happened to me on the motorway, tailgated by a unmarked BMW in the 3rd lane, not easy to pull over due traffic so increased speed slightly. Got picture NIP through post to which I sent back my rear facing camera footage …
… strangely the case did not progress to a prosecution!
Andy x well done to you
Well done sir👍. You should have also made a complaint to the Chief Constable. Pretty sure he or she would not be too impressed with their officers driving like that.
Should have kept the footage for court... never give them a heads up, especially if you have proof, let them lose face in court!
@@thefreephilosopher7398 It probably depends on local conditions, but generally speaking, what you describe is the best approach when you are prepared to risk getting an unfair penalty (or a long drawn-out and costly legal battle) in exchange for doing a public service. Putting your cards on the table immediately is best when you can't afford to fight and just want to avoid paying an unfair penalty.
On a newly built piece of road that I use on my way to work I saw a transit van parked. It looked wrong somehow. One window in the back, no markings. As I pulled in behind it (thinking I would take a closer look) it pulled out. I then followed it and it pulled into the local police station. Be careful guys.
The first part of this reminds me of when I got accused of trying to evade and outrun the police after I had pulled into the Police station car park and was walking up the steps to the entrance.
The story started after I had driven past some thieves busy emptying a shop at 4 in the morning and they threw something at the car, hitting the back. Not wanting to hand around as 2 large guys jumped into a car, so floored it and ended up driving through a pedestrian zone (Before cameras) and shook them off. OK I was speeding slightly afterwards, but as I didn't have a phone and the police station was about a mile away, I though it better to get there quickly and the Police might have a chance to catch the thieves. Roughly 300 yards before the station a car pulls up right on my rear bumper and stays there. Thinking it may be the thieves I floored the throttle, turned hard into the station and ran for the entrance.
Turns out the car was a patrol car and the policeman dragged me back to the car and pointed out the broken rear light. He was more interest in this and my speed than the break in. So after he finish his tirade I calmly walked into the station, followed by him and asked for one of a list of inspectors that I knew. His face was an absolute picture as a shout then went out as someone else had just reported the shop being broken into.
A short conversation with the Inspector has the ticket torn up and the PC told to go out and not come back until he found the thieves.
I bet hes still looking - on full pay and all perks as his instuctions were "dont come back til you find the thieves" - any excuse not to do any real policing you now the stuff that catches thieves vagabonds pedos drug smugglers etc
surely tailgating aggressively is itself illegal
tailgating is illegal, aggressive or not.
@@tony_w839 aggressively, as in, conspicuously following
Yes, it is. Unfortunately you need a rearward facing camera to be able to prove it. If you have the evidence, I think a letter to the Chief Constable might be in order.
@@waltersobchak1719 That's why the whole story seems sketchy to me, he literally said in the story they have footage of them speeding which would have obviously shown them tailgating and following the car. Their evidence for prosecution is also your evidence for defence.
@@Gruxxan tailgating, regardless of manner or intention, is illegal
This happened to a friend of mine in the 80’s.
He owned a Lotus Esprit and was driving down to Devon. A car tailgated him and was trying to race him. It escalated to, what he thought, was road rage and when he got to a straight road, accelerated away.
At the next village, there was a police road block.
The tailgater was an unmarked police car.
He had a very good legal team. 😉
My father was driving his Vauxhall Cresta west along the A30 when a Merck gave him trouble so my Dad accelerated but then let the Merck over-take just before Fenny Bridges. The Merck hit the crown of the bridge and put air under all four wheels. Its safety system actuated, and ejected the petrol tank!
@@colinosborne3877 wow 😮
Scary at the time, I bet, but sounds funny now.
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lol thats just stupid
Sounds like that constitutes entrapment without a shadow of a doubt, what was the outcome of the case?
There certainly used to be a document which I believe was issued by ACPO that stated that all "speed vans" had to be marked. This was so that the public understood that it was not a revenue collecting exercise but for accident prevention. During the early 2000s, Nottingham Constabulary (and/or their civilian contrator) started using unmarked vans, particularly in the Markham Moor area. One staff member received a fixed penalty notice and contacted me with dashcam footage showing that no temporary signs had been laid out and that the van was unmarked. They denied that this was the case but fell silent when I told them that I had dashcam footage to prove this.
The driver received a subsequent letter stating that no further action was going to be taken.
I am presuming that these guidelines are no longer relevant?
I believe its guidance however in law nothing says they have to be marked, or even have signs. It's mostly just something people expect. A court likely wouldn't throw it out as the offence still occurred and shouldn't have done regardless of a marked van or not. As long as the police have evidence it occurred.
Different counties/ police forces have different standards.
@@pedclarkemobile That's local policy. Doesn't mean they're legally required.
@@alexr8996 my reply does not mention law or requirements.
@@pedclarkemobile I know it doesn't.....
We have absolutely had police unmarked motorbikes baiting us into a race, repeated high speed (way over the speed limit) passes and then pulled over waiting for us to pass, then the same process three or four times.
I'm so glad they've caught all the murderers, thieves, sex offenders etc and have the time and resources to go out and find groups of people having a bit of fun on empty roads at 6am on Sunday. No doubt they'll get the helicopter out if they can't keep up.
Well done.
And they wonder why the public aren't on their side.
And the police wonder why a lot of people don’t respect them anymore… it should be the police being investigated not the driver
maybe 10 years or much longer ago prob 15 year i might step in to help if an officer was in trouble these days i be tempted to join in as its what they deserve i sure would not help
Apparently speed cameras were there to be highly visible to slow traffic down in accident hotspots and make the roads safer, whereas now they seem to be there to catch drivers speeding and fine them as a revenue stream rather than trying to slow the traffic down.
That's all they ever were. Most motorists speed, and they know this is a revenue stream. Also helps the insurers out being being able to charge more when you get 3 points.
Putting Police High-viz Livery on them was their hand being forced by various campaign groups to follow their own 'logic' when they tried to deny they were revenue cameras. I guess they are empowered now and don't need to maintain the lie any more.
The police and authorities actually WANT you to speed so they can then extract your money.
Should be both a deterrent and a revenue stream.
Have enough unmarked ones with no fixed locations like parked vans and drivers who might speed will either be fined a tonne (which is a good thing) or stop speeding anywhere (which is a good thing).
Don't speed and you won't get fined, and it's safer for everyone, very simple.
Also make fines means tested as a % of income, and have it scale based on how many times you have been fined in the last 12 months.
This particular case with the police van "tailgating" is super dangerous in itself though, so definitely shouldn't happen.
You only get caught speeding if you actually speed.
Council's broke, grasping at straws now.
Pulling over is the absolutely worse thing to do. A buddy of mine was being followed by an unmarked police car in Northern Ireland (during the troubles), his response was to speed off until he found a marked police car, at which point he was pulled over and stopped. He was a solider and feared he was being followed by terrorists.
The banning of hands free use of phones is crazy. Many jobs require the use of communication devices whilst performing others tasks, just look at pilots.
Ive experienced this dirty trick by West Midlands police myself. Driving at the speed limit late at night, suddenly finding a car driving 2 inches from my tailgate. I was alone and feeling threatened and intimidated, i sped up and pulled into a petrol station down the road. The BMW follows me onto the forecourt. Pulled his window down asking me why i feel it necessary to drive over the limit. I said dont you think driving aggressively 2 inches from the back of my car, might cause me distress, alarm and fear for my life. He just nodded , and drove off, i was left shaking. But without a ticket
It is interesting to note that it is acceptable to use a mobile phone to call 999 when driving. Perhaps when faced with this situation, people should dial 999 and report the car as driving dangerously. No doubt they will then try to pull you over for using a mobile device, but too late, you've already got in a report of them creating the dangerous situation. "Do you know why I've pulled you over sir?" "As it happens I am on the phone to 999 reporting you for dangerous driving".
*and it’s unsafe or impractical to stop
just pull over so the BMW can block you in so the occupants can get out and assault your car
@@hens0w I thought more about this and I would probably first try my standard response for tailgaters - washing my windscreen. If they are close behind they cop a load of soapy water on their windscreen and this normally makes people instinctively back off. If they didn't, then I would probably just start slowing down to well below the speed limit and if they still sat there, I would be on my phone calling 999.
You'd be arrested, your 999 report would disappear along with any footage that prooves your point. In theory you have certain rights but in reality police just ignore them and are totally above the law themselves.
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 Possibly, but I'd have a record of the 999 call in my phone history so the police would have some explaining to do if the call recording went missing.
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 Given how many occasions (9 times) the Police had to stop Met Police officer David Carrick and didn't punish him at all for his wrong doing, it seems highly probable any complaint made about a fellow servicing police officer would, as you suggest, disappear and not be actioned. They look after their own, that much is highly obvious.
The only thing that might stop the complaint disappearing is the IT system could potentially block the police from deleting the 999 incident record. The complaint would have been entered into the system and the police didn't identify until a little later that the perpetrator was serving police officer and the complaint has already been recorded. So then the police officers operating the system are at the mercy of the functionality that is provided by the system.
These systems tend to have good auditing functionality - changes made are logged in a permanent record, so if a police officer tried to change the details in the complaint in order to make it appear it is not worth investigating then that change should be picked up.
I think any reasonable person, driving thru Newtown, and having a car behind you do that, woudl react exactly the same way, regardless of time of day
Newtown was grim in the late 1970's early 1980's, God knows what it like now that the true Brummies have got out of the area.
@@brianlopez8855 Yup it was a mess then, If its got worse, were doomed!
If this had been recent, there would have been a good chance of a rear camera on the victims cars, which would have been so sweet to reveal at court.
Quite a few years ago a police car followed me through country lanes as drove to my friend's home (designated driver). I kept to the speed limit until I turned into his drive way - farm track nearly 1/2 mile long when I floored it. Double gates clearly marked with private property signs but we had left one open to go to the pub . They tried following me but not knowing the track put their car onto its side in a ditch. Nobody seriously hurt but the car was a mess. A couple of officers came back the next day and tried to tell us that we were breaking the law by racing cars on his fields and farm tracks - a bit funny them trying to tell us off through the now locked gates
No speed limit on a private road , but in England a charge of trespass is possible .
I live in a rural market time and some time ago it was reported in our local rag that police were hiding on the side of rural roads in horse boxes and tractors whilst checking motorists speeds. When questioned about this, what people felt was underhand, practice a senior officer replied " there are camera warning signs on these roads and the police are not obliged to be in marked vehicles". After a huge ruckus in the local media it was reported that they had ceased this practice. One money making job shut down.
Money making job? You do realise that neither the police or local governments actually get any of this money from fines. The money goes into the UK government funds. Why would the police have any incentive to do this purely for monetary purpose?
Back in the 1980's, I was harassed by an unmarked police car in the same way. I was riding my motorbike in north London on a wide open road with no further traffic, but this unmarked car persisted in driving dangerously close behind me. Being on a motorbike, I was acutely aware of my vulnerability to being hit from behind. I sped up marginally, but the car was still hogging me dangerously. Unnerving is the word. After a distance, the police used their siren and pulled me over for speeding. Because I was only a few miles over, the charge was later dropped and without me intervening.
The problem is that this is worse than entrapment: it is harassment and reckless endangerment, which are criminal offences. However, with no further witnesses, what can one do against the word of two police officers.
Happened in my car too.... big X5. This is back when dashcams weren't common... but me being a tech wiz, managed to have one... all capture on camera. Chief Superintendent had to get in touch as it was a dark wet road, yet tailgating at less than half a car length!
This exact thing happened to me on a motorcycle in South London
Why not pull over and slow down and let the car pass? If it doesn't pass you you can either slow down some more or wait until they get bored enough and decide to overtake you. There is never an excuse to exceed the speed limit.
@@mal6232 Really? Would you stop when some people in a large car are threatening you??? Nobody else around, no witnesses??? No one to call for help, should these guys have criminal intent???
@@alexugurie This question has me wondering if an assault is taking place.
A parking offence is very different from an assault but I wonder if some of these secondary offences could taint a casethes. I see many vans of this general class with high-vis markings, stopped for a few minutes for a delivery or for a few hours. They all have to be parked safely, that doesn't demand the markings, but it seems to be part of the usual package we see.
I do see similar vans with very prominent "Police" markings. So why the opposite extreme in this particular place? Could it be the manufacturer testing sensors?
Rear view dash cam would have been useful in the case of the car being followed by what turned out to be an unmarked police car. Their abuse of their position would have been evident.
Didn't really need a rear view dashcam, the police were nice enough to record the whole incident for you, and that could have been shown to the court.
@@gordon861 more than likely, that it would have not been available in court.... As in due to human error deleted!!!!!!
@@gordon861 And that video would accidentally be deleted/lost.
@@TheJon2442 Thot the very same
* Pro tip: the break pedal can be used to collect forensic evidence on the back of your car.
A very informative video, thank you. I was charged with a criminal offence in the 1980s and my Barrister tried to apply for an abuse of process. However, he was unsuccessful, as it is usually an uphill battle to prove abuse of process by the police or C P S. Ultimately, I was found not guilty and since that time I have never been on the wrong end of the police or justice systems. Best advice for speeders is to simply not speed. I really enjoy your videos; great insight!
wow this happened to me when 17 on my motorbike,forced you into speeding then giving you a ticket...well done exposing this
if it's about safety.. then remove the cash part of the fine.....
Exactly. I have no idea how receiving an NIP in the post two weeks later makes the roads safer🤷♂️
@@waltersobchak1719 it's a revenue generator, always has been
But there’s inherent issues with that. If you’re eligible for a course, it’s an external company and that costs money to run (at a profit of course). The pay-off being is that you don’t get fined and points and avoid the higher insurance premiums. You go to court and get found guilty, you get fined+points+court costs+insurance goes up.
If the court decided not to fine and add court costs, you can bet your last bread crumb the insurance companies would bleed you.
They are no longer called " fines " but rather penalties...
Go Learn why this was changed and you will educate yourself some what legally for the future..
For the love of God don't type it into Google..
Definitely still called fines in the UK, whether it’s criminal or motoring. The ‘penalty’ for motoring offences is points+fine or just a fine.
This is the sort of thing that makes people dislike and mistrust the police. This happened to me recently with a marked police car cruising too close behind me in a 20mph zone. I hesitantly went up to 25 because I thought the police wanted to go faster and I was holding them up and annoying them. I didn't really know what to do but eventually, they turned off into a side rd.
Always go slower.
It used to be thought that speed traps didn't operate in rain conditions. I came across one a few weeks ago seeing the operator peering into the camera towards me during a downpour. It seems that the trend nowadays is to chase and enforce trivial offences rather than investigate serious crime.
Not to mention how they acted during the lockdowns
@@kenstevens5065 The motorist is always easy meat !
If a marked car 'appears' to be tailing me I just drive slower and slower and more deliberately. They get bored and move on eventually.
When I was taught to drive my instructor taught 'defensive' driving - he always instructed us to assume that the vehicle in front or behind was a Police vehicle. Now there are cameras everywhere so I would add 'always assume there is a camera', and know the law. That is what your channel does - brilliant.
It’s interesting and educational and helpful to hear you go into the finer details and lawyer speak.
Thanks.
A friend had exactly the same situation many years ago (MK4 Cortina for clarity). Same MO; his wife was driving late at night and car came up behind and started tailgating them. My friend told her to keep calm and pull off at the next next junction and stop. She did just that, pulled off and hit the brakes. Police were so close, they rear ended the Cortina. Wrote both cars off and caused whiplash injuries to my friend and his wife. This was well before dash cams, so it was their word against the police. They did eventually get compensation and the police driver was charged, but I can't remember what with. Ultimately I think it came down to they were to close so it was deemed the police at fault. At the time of the accident they were subject to a lot of intimidation by the police at the scene.
this shows they aint changed even with camaras dont scare me police but most aint like me its law if you hit some one up the arse yer waz 2 close ive done it buy i ride a motercyle the police are more dodgy than teeths least they only want yer money ploice want money and yer freedom know yer rights an video every 2 weeks ago got pulled over wouldent let the serch my inside pockets let em pat me down but have pull me in to do a proper serch soon as they found out i would be awkward and not bet come sit in car yer dont have to its not law in the end after them fishing an me takeing the piss by giveing stoopid answers going round an round they got a call an jus went of i made sure i giveem the walk of shame care more about revenue than us who pay them it waz coz he waz in a bmw bet he wernt white
My point precisely
Surely a rear end collision is a strict liability offence and by definition the fault of the following vehicle?
Common scam by Rats in USA
@@casinodelonge wot I thought that as well mean yer to near insurance won't pay out
Some years ago I was travelling late at night/early hours from my parents house in south Lincs to my house in south Cambs. As I left Chatteris on the A141 towards Huntingdon a car caught me up. I could tell it was a 4x4, it was also close. This car tailed me for 14 to 15 miles. I was driving a BMW, I felt quite threatened. He/they had plenty of opportunities to pass as their was nothing else on the road. I drove at 60 but even when I dropped my speed to 50 they still didn't pass. My thought was to head either to a 24 hour Tesco or the police station in Huntingdon. About half a mile from Huntingdon he pulled out and passed. It was a police 4x4 that had tailed me. I have wondered if I was being goaded to speed or did he see I was a loan female driver? Either way it wasn't a good experience.
to catch up to you they would of had to break ye speed-limit thus breaking their own laws to try and entrap you
They do this more often than is acknowledged. Many drivers, my son included, leave motorways in order to escape from filth tailgating them, often dangerously.
@@evaflowervines9520 With hindsight I think I should have reported it at the police station.
I had the same experience on the A141 with a marked traffic car though in the late evening. I was a youngish lad then and driving a low powered bog standard BMW and they sat literally on my bumper the whole way from Chatteris until I turned off for the A47. It was threatening enough with a marked car let alone a unmarked one. It feels like they're trying to pressure you in to speeding up. Not on.
Most police stations are shut now, and only operate during shop hours. This used to be standard advice, but since we don’t need Police anymore, an NHS, roads, schools, housing, only antagonising nuclear powers, it’s a waste of time.
I experienced exactly this in Oxford, about 30 years ago, at night. I was already aware that the tactic was in play, by rumour, so others must have been caught that way.
I passed an unmarked car that had pulled over another car at the bottom of the Cowley Road. One of the cops looked right at me. Sure enough, by the time I got to where the old hospital used to be, a car steamed up behind me, full beam, really close. Being aware and forewarned, I dipped the rear view mirror and continued at 29mph. The car pulled in to Cowley Road police station, having followed me 5m - 10m behind all the way, often drifting back about 25 metres and then rushing forward. What I kinda wished I had done is brake really hard, but who wants to deliberately damage their own car?
I experienced exactly the same scenario many years ago when an unmarked police car pushed me into going over the limit on the A40 past Northolt aerodrome. A few seconds after I had gone over the limit, the blues and twos came on, and I pulled over. I was breathalysed, (passed that) given a warning and told to go on my way.
I don’t think the government can both allow the sale of new vehicles with what amounts to an iPad bolted to the dashboard, then make hands-free illegal. There needs to be a consistent approach.
Spot on, no going back to speedo and oil pressure gauge
These new cars should be illegal because putting all controls on a screen makes you take eyes off the road.
@@dougsaunders8109 … most people wouldn’t know the purpose of an oil pressure gauge nowadays...
… Better to let the ‘computer’ look after everything and stop the vehicle and pop up a red light when it goes wrong!
Just like how the government gave road tax incentives for people to buy eco-engines, then just moved the requirements for people to get into certain brackets. Or how for decades, it was 'petrol=bad' so we bought diesels, now diesel's are bad and petrols aren't.
@@thewaywardgrape3838 even EV's are bad now. (IE, loss of tax revenue)
Delighted that Old Bill had clearly got all the rest of the crime sorted out, particularly that in Rotherham and Rochdale. Well done chaps.
While I understand your frustration, direct it towards the right area of policing otherwise you’re in danger of sounding like just another gurning mouth breather. It’s like blaming the Prime Minister for your bins not being collected. Rotherham and Rochdale would be down to a specific dept and very specific police role dealing with those offences. Traffic cops deal with traffic/motoring offences….which don’t often carry crime numbers, which Rotherham and Rochdale did, and speed camera vans with ‘police’ on them are usually staffed by local authority civilian staff.
@@yammyyam9382 Policing is policing, John's allowed his opinion the same as you, his points are valid ones, in short - lots of police energy on one matter, not so much IF ANY energy on another matter, some things don't make sense, even more so for some strange reason when it involves abused children and the lack of interest by the police.
@@yammyyam9382
It's every police officers duty to arrest people stealing the country.
@@yammyyam9382 Yes there are different branches of police (I am aware because I was a police officer) but it isn't about so called 'safety' it's a money making exercise which has actually been acknowledged. Police officers are not always honest and fair.
@@richardgallagher4880 Yes if a stop by traffic police results in evidence of theft then they must deal with it and they do.
I only have a problem with the speed vans that park right under the speed restriction sign going out of the restricted area, where is is perfectly normal to increase your speed slightly, when there is no danger. This is usually in rural country areas and the end of a village, normally going down a hill.
i was driving through a 20mph a few years back and was tailgated by some coppers flashing his headlights at me to hurry up , i just pulled over and the pair of them just gave me a dirty look. no wonder people have so much antagonism towards the law
Several Years Back I was coming back from having a Drink , my Friend was duty Driver , a non drinker . He started to slow down , a Car had come on us fast , Headlights on full beam , mpossible to see properly , Car was lit up like a Lighthouse . Next thing , Blue flashing Lights . Copper came up and said '' Do you know why you have been stopped ? , because you slowed down '' ... much like the Highway Codes exhorts you do do when you cannot see ......
Good mess do though?
If it becomes illegal to talk handsfree on the phone in the car, then will it also be illegal to talk to your guests in your car?
Yes, I was thinking this myself, talking "hands free" is no different to talking to a passenger, or as I often do, sing along to the cd which is playing. Where will it all end?
If anything talking to passengers inside your car is more of a distraction than the hands free as you're tempted to look at them every now and again during the conversation. Eventually loads of people should just get the same radios the police use while they're driving just to prove how hypocritical it is.
No. because the passenger is part of the situation. They are aware of the situation.
Of cours, if you do a movie chat turning your heads to look at each other, that is another story completely.
As for the singing along, if you are playing loudly and headbanging, to the detriment of your attention to the environment, you are of course guilty of driving unsafely.
@@57thorns So what youre actually saying here is looking ahead and talking isnt the same as looking ahead and talking. Well done 🤣
As an example would police leaving an unlocked bike and waiting for someone to steal the bike before arresting them be classed as entrapment?
If not I don't know why this is not used more to catch or even identify petty thieves.
Police advice on this situation , where you are followed by an unmarked car , even if it activates blue lights is , if possible phone 999 and tell the operator what is happening , also do not stop - drive to the nearest police station .
In this situation , the police driver should be disciplined for dangerous driving ( too close ) and also for placing the victim in a state of fear and alarm . I hope this went to court .
That's what should happen in an ideal world but would the police play along once they see that you are trying to police the police? I suspect not. I'm pretty sure they're going to escalate it and find some fabricated reason to ram your car as you were driving "suspiciously and failing to respond to their instructions to pull over". Just managing your stress levels under these circumstances with all the thoughts and possibilities and scenarios running through your head is next to impossible. So yes, your suggestions are nice in theory but utterly impossible in practice. PS don't dismiss the ram comments I made. I spoke to a traffic cop once and they actually enjoy that part of the job.
i had this years ago while riding my motorcycle but was an off duty police officer in his personal car about 2ft from my back wheel. i only got away with it due to the fact i had a camera and he was off duty. i pressed charges and he lost his job this was blackpool area
D-B well done serves the bar steward right
Excellent. More people like you needed.
Excellent!
Nice.
The police chasing that car at night in a dangerous area of the city shouldn't just remove the fine, they should be sued for intentional infliction of emotional distress.
I find this hilarious and yet sad at the same time. When they started the speed camera campaign, the argument is that these vans are clearly marked, so there is no excuse to speed. As I always suspected, it would only be a matter of time before they switched to unmarked one as they will say that nobody should be speeding and that it shouldn't matter if the van is marked or not.
The only thing shocking is that they didn't do this much sooner.
It's a culture shift. It was all about crime prevention once. The very presence of the police, or camera should have been enough of a deterrent to stop the crime from happening in the first place and thus making the country safer.
These days it's all just pure capitalism. Any law can be broken as long as you pay the going rate. Hiding law enforcement away means you can catch the fare dodgers. Those people who would be driving safer had they seen the speed camera. The country isn't any safer, but it sure does help the balance of payments.
I saw one the other day by Litchfield on the A38, it was an unmarked van next to roadworks with amber flashing lights on top to make it look like a workers vehicle. However when I got closer you could blatantly see the camera sticking out of the back. It’s a good job in an average speed zone that I either set the cruise control or the speed limiter.
If only the man had of had a rear facing DVR and caught this dangerous clown tailgating him he'd of had a very good argument for the cop to be the collecting points and a desk job.
You've got more chance of getting away with 'grooming' than speeding ..... And I know Newtown well , a typical low-life area !
Actual police work would be required to deal with grooming....
@@ForgottenMan2009 it would be racist of course, they can't be solving any of that sort of thing
Tailgating seems to be a regular police tactic these days - especially at night when all you can see behind you is a pair of headlights.
Back before speed cameras were required to be painted yellow and not obscured in hedgerows etc I was driving towards a local village that had a grey camera that was hidden among the branches of a tree, and I recognised the car behind me as being that of a police inspector who lived in the village, so as we entered the village speed limit sign I slowed to 5 mph. He followed me through the village instead of turning off towards his house and pulled me over at the bus stop at the southern end of the road for driving too slow.
It didn't go to court and a few weeks after I was stopped the camera was moved away from the trees and painted bright yellow.
There is no minimum speed limit in a 30 mph restricted area ; however the minimum speed limit on a motorway , excepting circumstances such as traffic congestion , is 20 mph .
I've had EXACTLY the same scenario happen to me a few years ago. Only difference was the police car was a fully marked white BMW and it was on Leeds outer ring road not a shady area of Birmingham. They were tailgating me so close I couldn't see the headlights of the car in any or my mirrors! They persisted in doing this for several minutes and I must admit it was extremely intimidating, but it was obvious they were trying to goad me so I stuck to the speed limit like a nun despit the fact they were less than 6ft away from my rear bumper.
I'm amazed the Police think they can get away with this (dangerous and obviously provocative) behaviour, not only does it undermine public trust in the police, it is a total abuse of power and shows that they themselves drive badly (when they think they can get away with it). If ever there was a good reason to have front and rear dash cam in you car, this is it! No way should the driver in this case have to accept points on their license that so unjust!
Keep washing your windscreen (and theirs!).
If you have a sunroof keep a stash of pennies
That do it because they can and do get away with it
@@ixlph1020 top tip my amigo lol 😂 😂
If you are speeding to get away, the police's own camera will show if they are tailgating, bearing in mind that these cameras are wide angle and so the distance will look greater.Ask to see it. I was shown a video by the police some years ago in which they had zoomed in on supposed tailgating on the M1, which of course showed that the alleged tailgating car was much closer than it would have appeared in reality. The camera never lies. Yes it can.
This ties in nicely with my comment on another of your videos.
Tailgating and intimidation seems now to be a regular tactic, of which I had 5 instances just this past year; each of which turned out to be unmarked police vehicles.
I now assume that anyone driving too close or in an erratic manner is likely to be police, and not to be trusted
I heard of a case where a woman driver was tailgated over a stretch of country road. She got the number and drove to the police station and reported it.
"Ah yes, we've had a number of complaints but now we can send out a message to our cars to find him.''
Well, if you are adjusting the AC you are distracted from the road, if you change a radio station you are distracted from the road, having a conversation with passenger you are distracted from the road… are they going to ban all of these too … 2-3 mph over the speed limit is a bit petty 0100 -0200 in the morning…. Assuming there was no other road users or pedestrians its boarder line ridiculous…🤬
Apparently according to psychologists one of the favourite careers for psychopaths is the police service.... Surely they can be screened out ?
This story has a horrible association for me. I was driving through Handsworth (very close to Newtown) in early 1986 at about 1:30 in the morning, returning from my girlfriend's student flat in Handsworth Wood. I was followed off Soho Road into Boulton Road (where I was living in student accommodation). The vehicle, a dark blue Ford Sierra, overtook me and pulled across my path to [try to] block my route.
The driver and front passenger (both male) got out and approached my car, the driver holding something black in his hand. There were two girls in the back of the Sierra seemingly cheering them on, I locked my driver's door (the others were locked anyway) and waited to see what would happen. The driver took hold of my door to open it. I hadn't switched my engine off, so when I noticed that there was a gap in front of the Sierra, I accelerated hard (spinning my wheels), drove onto the right-hand side pavement and away at about 30mph.
The driver rapidly got back into his car and pursued me at speed. To get away from him, I accelerated above 30mph and headed into town towards the Steelhouse Lane Police Station. I was deliberately speeding in order to attract attention from any passing police. I know I exceeded 70 mph at one stage, still with the Sierra pursuing. As I approached the area of the Police Station, the Sierra made off in a different direction.
I waited outside the Police Station for 10 or 15 minutes to recover, and then made my way home without seeing either any police nor, fortunately, the Ford Sierra. I was badly shaken up and extremely disappointed not to have encountered any police throughout the experience. Since I didn't take note of the Sierra's registration number (!) and now felt incredibly tired, I didn't feel reporting the event would be a valuable use of my time. CCT cameras were not common then so the events were unlikely to have been recorded.
On that basis, I have a great deal of sympathy with the experience of the driver you described. I have no idea what my legal position would have been had I encountered any police, but I am sure my physical position would have been very different had the Sierra driver caught up with me, which was my personal priority at that point. My car was a Fiat 131 Mirafiori, and it certainly performed very well for me that day!
I have had the same thing happen to me on the motorway with an unmarked police car about 20 years ago.
It was very early and no othere trafic on the motorway.
I was in the left lane travelling at the speed limit and a car came into view from behind and aproched quite rapidly. As it came up behind me it closed in on the rear of my car to the point that considered it to be dangerously close, because it was close enough that I could no longer see the head lamps of the car in my rear view mirror. Then continued to edge closer.
I was very concerned about what was happening. It was just me and this car on the motorway and I couldn't understand why someone who was travelling above the speed limit would drive up behind me like this and not just overtake. I reduced my speed slightly in the hope that this would prompt the driver to overtake.
Instead the car continued to tailgate me for a further 8 miles. It was when I turned off into a services to take refuge that the car finaly passed me. It was at this point I could see that it was two uniformed police officers in the dark unmarked car and the un-lit blue strobes in the rear window.
To this day I am still left feeling that they were trying to pressure me into speeding.
theres a reason they have the nickname, of "the filth" and "the scum"
This has happened to me.
I’m an insomniac.
I USED to go for a drive late at night, early mornings, to alleviate the boredom of not being able to sleep.
I did the same with my children when they were babies and couldn’t sleep.
The amount of times I got pulled over for just being out at that time.
Even though I was breathalysed, for no good reason, except I wasn’t asleep, and I was obviously never drunk.
Without doubt, they’re bored and trying to intimidate people, like they own the roads after 11pm at night!
My tailgaters followed me home, at 3am, THEN put the blue lights on!
My "crime"? Driving steadily at 30mph, in a 30mph zone!
They asked "If I'd had a drink?"
(me thinking, well I had a coffee at 3pm, I think the caffeine has worn off by now.
It never occurred to me that they meant alcohol!)
No. Why?
"Nobody drives at 30 at night."!
Quite a few years ago North Wales police used to have a horse box that had speed camera equipment installed in it and of course, sited in a position where there was a good chance of catching anyone speeding, I happened to be on a Humberside police speed awareness course and I brought this up and one of the officers proudly stated that they too have something similar which he stated looked like a builders van complete with ladder on the roof and even a GB sticker on the back, whether both of these was legal at the time I do not know.
This happened to me on the A4 heading west between Newbury and Hungerford around 11pm, with no one about. Huxley following me would not overtake, and kept getting closer. It had one headlight slightly out of alignment, which proved to be my salvation. I turned off the A4 onto a B road and the vehicle followed me, eventually switching on its blue lamp and pulling me over. I said I’d sped up to get away from what I took to be a potential attack. My details were taken, however the next day I reported the incident to the Chief Constable of Berkshire and mentioned the defective headlight on the pursuing vehicle. I received an apology, and was told that the officers had been asked NOT to use such tactics.
Always sue, NEVER accept an apology
When was this?
Asked. They should of been ordered not to do it!!!
@@teresaspensley5640 my sentiment too
How long ago was this Lee? Berkshire hasn’t had a Chief Constable since 1968! You clearly have a fantastic memory.
The first fixed speed cameras in the UK were often difficult to see and sometimes specifically hidden, for instance behind bushes, but someone won a landmark case in court and after that all speed cameras had to be easily visible to be used as evidence and yellow markings where added at a huge expense. It was a long time ago in the 1990s and I can't find details of the case, but I'd be interested if you know more and your views. Also I notice that there has to be signs warning drivers of speed cameras, although in the early days before sat navs were common you'd often see such signs over long stretches, sometimes without any cameras making it much more difficult to know where they truly were.
Yes I remember that too. It was in all the UK newspapers. The issue was that cameras were placed a few feet after going under a flyover, so that it was impossible to see them until you were alongside them & looking out of the near side window as the structure of the flyover obviously obscured any view of the camera. All cameras from then on had to be signposted in advance, marked with reflective tape & also be in a prominent area where they could be spotted. I seem to remember that they also could only place a camera in locations that had a history of accidents or were notorious for speeding. Many speed cameras were then relocated to visible positions & the hidden ones were removed.
It seems like this is now being ignored, which is typical. I can't remember the case though, but do clearly remember it in the newspapers.
As I recall there is no law that reqiures cameras to be visible but after claims that the cameras were there to raise revenue the government did require that for councils to get cash to install speed cameras they had to make them yellow.
There was a Secy of State for Transport, possibly Nicolas Ridley, who said cameras were for deterrence therefore told the civil servants that cameras should be signposted and highly visible. We owe him a lot.
@@phoenixxavier9615 as i remember it a speed trap sorry camera has to be hi vis for the operating ( ex police chief and his mates) partnership to claim money from the speeding fine if not the money goes strait to refugees sorry again government to spend/waste . also there needs to be signs up warning you .when first vans arrived they put out small movable ones but quickly realised that fixing them to posts and having them permanent meant people got complacent and they could make more money o there i go again sorry catch more people breaking the law . did you know if everyone who buys there way out of a speeding fine took the points the partnerships would go broke ( read it in a bike magazine some time ago ) wont belong till there are no cars on the road anyway
@@_chrisr_ Councils don't install speed cameras
I'll be honest, I listened to a couple minutes of your presentation and thought I would post with regards to speeding in Australia. In NSW at least, the primary goal of police is to slow traffic down. To that end, all traffic cameras that photograph speeding cars are clearly marked. In addition, radio stations during morning and afternoon rush hours actually report police radar sites over the air. The premise to allowing this is they want traffic to slow down and the activity is effective. So police set up at strategic points, other spots are covered by speed cameras and the traffic flow is reduced to the appropriate speed reducing accidents. If UK police are simply using unmarked vehicle to catch speeders then it is a revenue pitch not a safety one.
In Victoria the primary goal is MONEY so the whole idea is to secretly catch people out. The cars are always unmarked. There's no such thing as warning signs. They love places like the bottom of hills. 3km over means a fine. Usually on a road they've already lowered the speed limit to a severe crawl.
Had similar once coming of a night shift at 5am on a Sunday morning outside Romsey. I came to a roundabout with the unmarked following on my tail so I went round twice pulled of safe quick to verge ! After spotting the driver. They had followed I for several miles ! Turns out I had brake light out. Would of preferred they just pulled me over to inform! I said thank you but also told them I thought they were of less repute !
Had this happen to me twice, both unmarked police cars.
I slowed down by simply removing my foot from the throttle. Reason being the tailgating car has removed its safety buffer in case I needed to do any emergency stop so I need to increase mine to compensate.
They get bored after a few miles
I'd be extremely curious to know what would happened if the driver in front had had to make an emergency stop, and the unmarked car behind them had rear-ended the car in front as a result of driving too close?
I've always been told if you were rearended not matter if the driver braked for no reason except to convey a message then the car hitting you was at fault.
We all know what would happen . He would have been charged with dangerious driveing . The police are above the law ,and who investagets the police ? .The police do of course .
It is generally accepted that if the car behinds you runs into the back of you, they are at fault. As you are supposed to leave a big enough gap between you and the car in front.
In the case of performing an emergency stop for a genuine reason then certainly the car behind you is at fault if they hit you.
However, if you are brake checking, hitting the brakes to cause annoyance or sending some kind of message to the driver behind you that is tail gating you, and they run into you, then you that brake checked could be prosecuted for either driving without due care and attention or dangerous driving.
@@deang5622just say a cat ran out is enough
black dog ran out @@Banglish123
I have a brother who now works for the Scottish Ambulance Service but used to work for Police Scotland and before that D&G Constabulary.
He often used to say that you are in actual fact allowed to drive over the speed limit as long as you aren't doing anymore than about a tenth of the limit more than.
In otherwords if you are in a 60 mph road you can usually get away with doing 63 or 64 mph as long as you are driving relatively safely and are in complete control of your vehicle.
analogy: plain clothes officer aggressively and conspicuously follows a lone woman at night, woman turns and kicks the plain clothes officer in the gonads, woman gets done for assault. would this be fair?
no 100% the police clearly had a false impression of 'what sort of girl' she was
Absolutely it would be an assault - that's the law - she would have to argue mitigating circumstances in the Court.
Speed limit was always set for the road. So if built up 30, 40 more open road and so on. The issue I have with speed limits is the new 20 limits across some London Boroughs. There is one example I know well where you travel out of Bromley into Lewisham. The Bromley part of the road is round a-bouts and side turnings and not a wide road. As you travel into Lewisham the road opens up wide footways no parked cars or houses and arrow straight, giving great sight lines, is a 20. Makes no sense.
What part of driving in London does make sense these days... TFL Tax Fine Litigate
@@glenn7245 true, I use public transport to travel into central London. I live right on the edge where there is no public transport. 3/4ers of a mile to my closest bus stop, no footpath. Mayor and his 1000 monkeys would never write the classic given 10,000 years
I drove through Nottingham City centre one evening before Christmas. I've not driven through for years and noticed long stretches of 20mph speed limits. Keeping to 20mph was really difficult with a line of cars tailgating you. It did seem awfully slow especially on some of the wider stretches of straight road leaving the city
I had this too. Driving at 70 and an unmarked car came right up my bumper. About 4 feet away for a few minutes. I accelerated to get into the middle lane at which point the blue lights went on.
In New Zealand, the speed sensors are under the road surface with cameras hidden by trees etc. For second offence double fine, third offence treble etc. No wonder the country acts as if its still in the 1950's
I thought some guidance was issued that stipulated speed camera vans carry specific and identifiable markings?
In recent road works on the M6 in Lancashire,there was what looked like a highways work van parked inside the cones only when you were passing it did you see the rear camera window ,no markings saying camera van and around Sunderland there's one complete with orange flashing lights just like the council vans have.
Consider that speed cameras need to have warning signs of their existence ahead, be painted yellow and not be hidden, then mobile speed cameras also need warnings posted, although the vehicles used for this do not need to be obvious. As for the tailgating police vehicle this is a good reason to have both front and rear cameras fitted to your vehicle.
Nothing in law saying they need to warn you they’re there
@@ulysseskruger6095 Certainly, there were ACPO guidelines to that effect. I was involved with a case where we proved with dashcam footage that the van was unmarked and advanced warning signs had not been erected.
The requirement for warning signs was withdrawn in 2007 and only applied to partnership operations.
I had exactly the same a few years ago near Melksham in Wiltshire. I wasnt prosecuted but was warned. In this instance the unmarked polic car was in front of me in lane two of a dual carriageway and driving slowly. I waited behind for a couple of miles but he just slowed down. In frustration I overtook on an inside lane and was stopped.
As a company we stopped employees using phones whilst driving including hands free because, we believed it could lead to an accident and the company could be considered jointly liable. So we introduced a system for employees to stop regularly maybe have a tea/coffee and call in to the office or other business contacts. It worked for everyone and business journeys we believe were safer.👍
I would have thought the police in the BMW would have been filming what they were doing?
Surely tailgating is driving without due care and attention and a complaint should have been made.
It's a sad state of affairs that a force that was set up to protect the public has morphed into one that works hard to prosecute and intimidate the same public.
I would've taken it to court & produced my rear camera footage to show the muppet in the BMW driving without due care. Take note muppets!
I was followed by a grey Peugeot 405 late at night to my workshop , which was down a single track farm road . Fearing this was a robbery attempt of my tools or something I blocked them at the narrowest point , jumped out and ran to the workshop , dived in through the single door I had forgot to double lock with the padlock (hence my journey at 1am) got my FAC air rifle with its scope sights and went back outside shouting warnings I was armed and ready to fire at the intruders . Who turned out to be plain clothes police ,
After a tense few minutes they agreed to back away and allow me to phone in for confirmation of their ID .
It was all very stressful and they did not feel tailgating a car , then following it with the set high dipbeams to partially blind the driver in front , in to a secluded area was in any way wrong or something. I think they are idiots sometimes.
Great coverage. You should cover your thoughts on people who intentionally frustrate other road users by doing below the speed limit in order to agrovate the person behind. Recently, there was someone from the North East who caused a driver to undertake, resulting in a cyclist being killed. The driver in the vehicle in front causing the agrovation also received the same length jail sentance as the driver who undertook.
How slow were they going? Do you have a little link for the article? People should be able to drive at (or around) the speed limit without being intimidated however. If someone is tailgating me, I always stick exactly to the speed limit and resist any urge to be intimidated to speed up. I am assuming in the case you were speaking about they were going significantly slower than they should have been?
If this is true about an unmarked speed camera van , then as this is a commercial vehicle someone may want to ask the police why they are ignoring this and have they specifically mentioned to their insurer that the vehicle is in contravention of Section 05.2.3 of Chapter 8 part 2 of the Traffic Signs Manual specifies that vehicles stopping on roads should use the following specifications for chapter 8 Markings to ensure that it is safe and visible
Rear reflective markings on cars and vans should be upward facing chevrons in alternating red and yellow stripes.
Each chevron stripe should be no less than 150mm in width and angled upwards between 45 and 60 degrees
The red stripes are to provide maximum night visibility and therefore must be of retro-reflective material
The yellow stripes should be non-reflective and fluorescent, contrasting with the red to provide sufficient daytime and dusk visibility.
Without obscuring windows, lighting and reg plates, the chevrons should cover as much of the rear as possible.
go for it!
The PSNI have unmarked Golf GTIs and bait boy racers on the M3/M5. Seen them in action, blasting it down the fast lane over 80mph, a boy racer pulls out behind them and floors it. Then the blue lights come on.
ON THIS EXAMPLE I SUPPORT THE POLICE 100%. The boy racer gets "behind" the car and floors it. This is done to normies as well. They are scum who tailgate and should have their licence removed!
@@dogmadogma5398 You're one of the problems with this country. The cops that break the law - especially dangerously by going at 80 - have no moral right to enforce it. Cops have violently attacked innocent people, murdered people, covered things up, threatened to make false arrests, and broken just about every law in the UK - and you still support them?
@@kpopfan674 SOOOO. You like to live in society with no cops? Good luck my buddy
I had this done to me, early hours of new years day many many years ago in Doncaster, it was dark and a vehicle started to follow me with it's lights off, at the time I was working extra on weekends as a door supervisor and we very regularly had a lot of trouble, including some with lads from the travellers community, in my mind it was either a drunk driver or trouble, either way I wanted to maintain distance, i was then pulled for exceeding the speed limit. I did not challenge as I was worried about an increase in fine and points.
I came to a small roundabout in Andover many years ago and as I stopped a white car came up behind so close I couldn’t even see ‘police’ on the bonnet sticker. I gave them a hard stare in the rear view mirror and then spotted the uniforms. Busted, they stuck close only for another 100 yards then peeled off in search of unsuspecting prey.
Had this done to me as young man. Dark country road, we had driven to a nearby village to get fish and chip and were driving home, and suddenly we were being tailgate by a car with full beam lights on dazzling me in the mirror. This is in the days before mobile phones. I slowed right down to let him pass... he slowed right down and stayed there mere feet behind. I indicated left to let him know I was letting him pass... nothing happened. All we could see was the full beam lights blinding us if we looked back. So I sped up... he sped up. Whatever speed I did he did. This went on for several miles and we became really concerned. Was it some psycho? In the end I turned up a single track side road to try and let him on his way... but he followed us. We were now seriously concerned. ... Then on go the blue.lights behind us! I stop and sure enough its a cop. Asking where we were going and who we were. Being young and innocent I told him (now I would not amd would be hugely angry at his behaviour) and he asked why we had turned up this minor lane. I told him he had scared us amd we had hoped whoever it was would not follow. He just laughed and got back in his car. With age I now suspect he saw a young driver at the fish and chip shop and was trying to goad me into speeding to get a chalk.
Intentional harassment, alarm or distress, A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he: (a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or. (b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting. thats how i see it police causing alarm and distress, public order offence if im right - an act that involves the use of violence and/or intimidation by individuals or groups.
Snap!
My tailgaters followed me home, at 3am, THEN put the blue lights on!
Plod should try growing a pair and chasing some proper villains instead of hassling drivers.
I'd always assumed that the police could only issie a speeding ticket, or that it could only be upheld in court, from the evidence of a speed camera, not simply a police officer saying "I was speeding behind you and didn't hit you so you must have been speeding too."
They have to follow you for 3/10 of a mile and maintain a constant distance behind you , referencing to their calibrated speedometer , as long as there is a second officer to corroborate the observation the offence is complete .
I used to respect the police in the UK. Now I have no time for them whatsoever. I’d walk past if one was in trouble.
So they do not have time to pick up stolen cars and phones when tracked by the owner but has plenty of time to drive around and catch people travelling 2 to 3 miles an hour over the limit. Perhaps the Police have become part of HM Revenue and Customs. I have never learnt to drive I am now in my 60s so have no direct interest.
Aa Clarkson points out. Speed doesn't kill or planes wouldn't be the safest form of transport. It's stopping suddenly that is the problem 🤣
Infotainment units, radios, eating and drinking, passengers (especially children), pets etc. may all be considered as 'distractions' and 'banned'. There's plenty of laws enforceable for not driving with 'due care and attention' rather than specifically banning items.
It would be interesting whether the audio of the coppers laughing and egging each other on would have been 'unfortunately lost' from the police camera footage if this went to court.
how about intimidating behaviour on the part of the police in the BMW
Unmarked vehicles and numberless officers are a sign of things to come.
North Wales used a horse box with a speed camera inside, the video from motorcycle news is on here. They also used old builders vans.
I had exactly the same issue after joining a dual carriageway at night, I was at 70mph but a car very quickly caught up with me and kept speeding up to my rear bumper then backing off, I refused to speed up to keep distance and after almost 2 miles it overtook me and turned out to be a marked police car, I knew then that he'd been trying to push me into speeding.
did you have a dashcam? Sending that footage in to the chief constable, even if it was just them passing you at more than 70 would have been unpleasant for them.
A very similar thing happened to me riding a motorbike last year. As I was riding , a dark grey bmw was following really closely behind me and whichever roads I turned they were right behind me. I didn't know if they wanted to rob me or were just being stupid by following so closely to me so a temporary traffic light was up ahead, It was amber and about to go red And I Accelerated quickly towards it until the blue lights came on. I pulled over straight away but I was furious at them for making me feel intimidated on the road. They checked my details and let me go. If they had wanted to pursue that I would have gone to court and asked to see the footage of how dangerously they were driving behind me.
Police in Birmingham play a game (bingo), where the colour of a car is worth a number of points, with certain rarer colours being worth more points. I suspect that the officers needed a few points to take the lead in that station & the unfortunate drive happened to own the wrong colour of car.
I have great dash cam with excellent rear recording , i would absolutely have used it and do use it for anything I regards as intimidation, well said and regards
Had it happen to me before on a 50 mph road I'm at the limit car comes up a tailgate me, well as in enjoy antagonising drivers who tailgate I slowed down to 45 they got closer so I slowed to 40 eventually I got down to 35 then they overtook me and to my surprise there were two police officers in the vehicle so they got a wave and a smug Clarkson grin as they passed me,
I had exactly this on the dual carriageway A30 west of Honiton in 2016 at 10.30pm. I became aware of a dark vehicle (sporty looking Volvo) close behind me who had joined on a slip road and accelerated to catch up. After a couple of minutes I indicated on the left as a gesture for the car to overtake rather than tailgate. It didn't and followed me for at least 5 minutes making me very intimidated and nervous. It mimicked every move I made. Now I drive a car known for the ability to reach high speeds but stuck to 70 - 72mph. 4 miles from Exeter my speed increased simply by virtue of a downhill stretch that would seem ridiculous to apply the brakes on a clear dual carriageway with little traffic and good forward visibility. Moments later... I was bombarded with all manor of bright flashing blue and white lights from behind. I pulled over to be stopped by 2 female police officers for speeding claiming I had reached 76mph. They were surprised to see a 72 year old man with a base ball hat (i have skin cancer on my head) driving a 6 month old BMW M3 with a blemish free licence and a 55 year no claims insurance record rather than a 28 year old lad with a chequered driving history they proably expected. 3 penalty points and £100 for speeding.. Bit**es... go hound criminals not old men not harming anyone.
What happened to the 10% plus 2 guidelines?
@@ernesthogan681 it's just a guideline unfortunately. Each force has its own rules, some are zero tolerance, some will give you the full allowance.