Fast PC from 2000...Athlon 1100 & GeForce2 GTS
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- The transition from the year 1999 to the year 2000 was something unique!
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Beautiful 😍😍
Thanks Phil :) I would like a more exciting motherboard, this one looks a little...booring!
@@MidnightGeek99 VIA bringing the surprise instability, never a dull moment :)
@@philscomputerlab my first real life crysis was at 14, windows me + matsonic via kt266a mobo.
@@MidnightGeek99 😅
I felt like I am the only one that seems to have issues with stability in Windows 98 SE until watching this video. I swear if it you look at Windows 9x wrong, it will crash.
Most likely just bad drivers. Via boards or chipsets where not the most stable either.
You are not alone
=))))))))))) yeah, it's a correct statement, don't look at it!
One of the board's capacitors is swollen (behind the gameport), so that could be affecting stability. My Asus P2L97 recently had a capacitor fail (only 2 OG left now), and that caused stability issues with my Voodoo2 and prevented the board from turning off fully.
Yes, I see it...great :)
I remember being so excited when these first GHz CPUs were coming out, this is a fun revisit!
It was the 1 GHz race :)
I love your approach, very realistic. No rose-tinted glasses during the nostalgia.
Only eye glasses :)
Good editing, good dinosaur & classic orange sweatbands, i believe this might be the magic trio to get 98 to actually work
Hehe, 10x :D
I gotta say, I've been watching your videos for a while and have been enjoying them! This is also something I'm very interested in.
Appreciate the straightforwardness you put in the video as well. Keep it up!
Thanks a lot! I don't like beating around the bush :)
Check CPU corners, those athlons will chip off and causes freezes. This one did no look very fresh to me
i paused the video and can see chipping on the left side and right side corner bottoms. at 1:12
Hmm, thanks, I will look into it!
I love your channel and videos
10x a lot :)
I remember on some AMD processors you could unlock them by using a pencil to connect some traces on the surface of the cpu in order to unlock the cpu for overclocking.
Yes, you can do that for some CPUs, but I prefer the original versions, and I also don't want to break them.
Almost the same here, my Win98 machine is a Athlon 1.0Ghz 200FSB, 512Mb 133, Asus A7V-E, Asus V7700 32Mb (GeForce 2 GTS) and SB Live! CT4830. Great memories
Nice video card! I have an Asus V7xxxx, it's a GF2 MX :)
You just earned a subscriber 🎉👍🏽
10x :D
It is a VIA Chipset Driver and Soundblaster incompatibility. Eiter other Chipset or other Soundcard…
I was going to say that too. I'v never had a solid system on 98 with VIA chipsets.
Only the 686B southbridge had that problem. The 686A, as shown in the video, should be fine.
My guess is that the Geforce Drivers could be too new for the system.
Awesome, I love incompatibilities.
Awesome video as usual 👍 but .... a quick observation,.... your stability issues may be related to the bulging caps above/next to the CPU 🤔
YES!!!! That's it, thanks a lot...as always, I don't really check the components, this motherboard work like a charm 2-3 months ago.
My Athlon wouldn't act straight until i gave it some more voltage with the pencil trick.
You scared him into submission!
@@MidnightGeek99 haha yeah old tech you had to beat into submission
Awesome times!! 👏👏
3:04 Looks like you have two "pregnant" caps on your motherboard... be careful before they blow up your board or cpu!
Btw, it could also be the root cause of your stability issues. This board really needs a re-cap!
Unfortunately, yes :( those babies gave me a lot of issues!
My high(ish)-end 2000 rig is somewhat similar, with a Thunderbird 1ghz and a Radeon 7200. Really is a cool machine to mess around with
The Radeon 7200 was a nice card, I've never had a Radeon 7xxx card, except the "amazing" 7000!
I have a Windows 98 PC I used a ASRock K7VT4A PRO it has the VIA KT400A Chipset, with a Athlon XP3200+. I have a Nvida Geforce 6600, and of course a SundBlaster.
I got all the drives using SATA. To do this set the SATA in the BIOS to IDE then install Windows 98, When it is all done install the SATA drivers and reboot change the SATA from IDE to SATA 1 if possible. I have a PCI SATA card it has got the same chip set as the motherbord. I runs very nice. I had a lot of the parts from old PCs I had back in the day.
Very very fast PC for Windows 98...does the 6600 have any incompatibilities with 98 games?
My 1st PC I bought had a 1Ghz Athlon Thunderbird.
The first 1 GHz :D
What better a day to introduce a video with Y2K references!
lol...maybe there's more to this than meets the eye :D
My current retro setup is similar to this one. CPU is a bit more modern but the HDD is the same and I'm using a 64mb discrete Sis GPU, which is was really fine for win98 stuff
What SiS GPU?
@@MidnightGeek99 SiS 315
It so happens that I have the same CPU cooler with the same Deep Cool fan. But this build is truly awesome
It's a good cooler, not that noisy.
I was in kindergarten when this hardware was new.
:D
I love your videos too. Just wanted to say that. What I don't love, however, are the 266 Thunderbirds on KT133 boards... I've only had trouble with them.
Mine is a 100 Thunderbird :) And yes, KT133 are not the best, what is the best is KT266a!
My first Socket A motherboard. Rock solid. But now it needs some new caps :(
Mine too, it's because of some caps that I had those problems.
@@MidnightGeek99 oh nice. So all stable now?
I had problems when I used the last via 4in1 driver. I then took one from the same time of the old PC and it worked fine.
Thanks for the tip, I will try and use older drivers.
Not sure if you did, but i always install every single directx version separately for win 98 (se), from 6 to 9c. Did you install win 98 or second edition? Se is probably more stable. Also the creative sound blaster drivers can be buggy as hell. Best to check in device manager if there are no exclamation marks after driver install. One audigy 2 zs just installs fine but the other of mine only works if i install the drivers with card nr 1 plugged in. And after installing drivers switching it for card nr 2. They have the same model number and everything.
All DX versions, except 9, I hate DX 9 + Win 98. I blame VIA, or the capacitors!
@@MidnightGeek99 Yes could well be via chipset. I dont own via based boards. Also Geforce2 gts only supports upto dx 7. Works perfectly with Intel 865PE and Nvidia nForce2 Ultra 400 using geforce fx and radeon 9800 series though.
Hey, the Socket A/ 462, was a sweatmaker, because is you did not align the cooler pad on the CPU properly, you could crack the silicon crystal of the CPU and bye bye CPU. Intel was like that on Socket 7.
Yeah, not that good, and I'm still sweating while mounting the cooler :)
Dam, For all these years I thought it stood for Gran Turismo
Right? We've been living a lie!
get some duck tape for that tripod lol
lol
At some point I am planning a Y2K build myself. But it will be a 423 socket, with gen 1 pentium 4, RDRAM and an GF2 Ti(I wanted an ultra, but good luck finding that). And at a later date I wanted to make a Y2K battle of the platforms, 423 pentium 4 1.5 and RDRAM, VS 462 Athlon 1.2 and DDR.
So you want to use only expensive parts :) Good luck, let us know how that went.
@@MidnightGeek99 Fortunately I already have them. It took me literally years, but with patience and rigorous search, I got them for quite cheap. Both 423 and 462 boards I bought from the same person for 45 euros. The CPUs cost me a total of 35, the GF2 Ti, 25, and the RDRAM I got for 30 for 4x128mb and 2x64mb modules. Nothing was bought from Ebay
I remember using a lead pencil to bridge the laser cut L bridges on the cpu to make it into a higher tier cpu! Good times!
EDIT: And the one you got is from Malaysia, those were the best ones for clocking:)
Yes, you can do some nice stuff, but I'd rather keep it safe :)
I'm really curious as to which Quake 2 build that is. The explosions are not 3D but instead 2D sprites. As far as I remember there was a Beta build of Q2 that had these 2D sprites for explosions. iD Software moved to 3D explosions on the final version of Q2.
Awesome video
Yeah, it's a demo...I'm not sure about the version though.
@@MidnightGeek99 Oh, didn't know the demo uses Beta assets, I'm gonna install it in my retro PC and give it a spin - thanks for the info 👍
Love these vids, bring me back to the good old times where hw was so charming. The more advance things gets the less charming? something is up it is not me is it?
I still have my Thunderbird 1.4, but it has one corner chipped off, because of how many socket a cpus one had. Tbird was actually very good cpu, if u oced it to say 1533 or 1566 cant remember now it would actually be a tiny bit faster than the Athlon xp, think they were called Palomino or something, cant remember it now. The faster they got the lower ipc they got until we got the Bartons with the fat 512Kb cache.
Chipped Thunderbirds...what else is new? :)
On the brighside, once you fix the problem, you have a PC that should run everything till like games from 2003.
2002 :)
Bought at the time an MSI Mainboard with an Athlon 1800+, couldn't get it running with a Geforce2MX even after several weeks trying - i went crazy. Screen froze as soon i started a game.
It turned out it was just incompatible, needed to send it back and replaced it by a Elitegroup Mainboard with a kt266a-Chipset. Then everything ran fine.
This motherboard is compatible with this Athlon, so no problems here :)
My mainboard was not compatible with the grafics-card, it was confirmed in the MSI Q&A on the website.
Troubleshooting issues is half the fun with this hobby. Lol.
Yes, it is, unless you want to make a video and stuff won't work :))
The lemons are squeezey
And they feel breezy!
I use Intel platform. PIII -1Ghz + Gigabyte GA-6IEML i815E / RAM 256 pc133 / Live! CT4830 / 3dfx Voodoo 3 3000. The system is rock solid. No issue at all.
P3 with i815 and Voodoo, nice combo :D I don't have a Voodoo build, but I will do it, with a P3 Tualatin 1.4 and 2xVoodoo2 SLI.
How about the PSU? Is it really powerful enough on the 3.3V and 5V rails to supply the system?
Yes, it's a new (new as in 2020+) and mighty inter-tech, with 220 W on the 3.3 and 5V.
I am not brave enough to build me an Win98 Retro-PC.
Start with building a Win XP PC :)
Y2K was magical period...simpler times.
6:43
What version of Quake II is that those explosions does not look right, or is some mod replacement ?
Quake 2 Demo
@@MidnightGeek99
Haha yeah now i remember they changed explosion for full versio.
I overclocked my Athlon XP 2000+ (1.667GHz @ 133mHz FSB) to 2.275GHz @ 182mHz FSB
But it was released in 2002, so it is Windows XP era
You basically got an Athlon XP 3200+!
VIA KT133 with Creative Live are well known to be problematic together...
Yea...so it seems :)
I have a P3 500mhz in a Huge Full Tower I pulled from the Neighbors trash, Imma set that up this weekend with a few other Ideal Parts I've kept the past 20+ years and Build a Stupid Awesome Win9x / Win2k / Linux Box!
Nice! It's not stupid if it's awesome :)
Whoa, you're rich. at this time, i had a Duron :)
I did not have that CPU in 2000, I had an Athlon XP 1700+ in 2002 though :)
When I had issues with my windows 98 pc i just installed win xp😂 i would recommend IT for investigation to mąkę surę that komponenta are ok
:)) How to troubleshoot Windows 98: Install XP!
The FASTERFUL!
:O
On some motherboards you can disable the cpu cache for a amd duron thunderbird or later . You migh ask why this is imprtant ? Lets say you have a duron cpu and you mishandle it enough when putting on the cpucooler -Now the cache might be looose -Use a another cpu to disable cache and You sill can use that duron even thoui now its like a pentium 1 running at 600 -severe loss of performance
Yes, on this one that I have you can't :)
I know the issue you had with NFS Porsche Unleashed: apparently it's speed sensitive and doesn't run on systems much faster than 500 MHz. I tested this myself on one of my Windows 98 machines with a slot 1 440bx chipset. P2 350, runs fine, P3 500 runs fine, P3 1.13GHz, won't run.
Must be something else going on. Works fine on my 2 x 1.8 Ghz Core 2 XP machine. One thing that does break if you go above 2 Ghz is the car dashboard texture, but I believe even that can be addressed via a fan patch.
@@constantinescuadrian2758 Windows 98 vs. Windows XP...
I think that the Porsche does not run above 2 / 2.2 GHz.
@@MidnightGeek99 Nah.. it does run at 3 Ghz+ (tested it). But the dashboard textures get all messed up. There is a fan patch to fix that though, which also allows it to run at 1080p with correct aspect ratio, if you're into that.
Funny story about the dashboard textures. I used to play NFS Porsche around 2007-09 on an Athlon64 X2 4400+ (2.4 Ghz) with a Geforce card. It was already an old game by that point and I thought the muddy dashboard textures were part of the course. I then installed it on my then girlfried's computer which had a pentium dual core >2Ghz and an AMD card and was surprised to see really clear interior textures for the cars. I though that ATI/AMD simply made better drivers for their video cards :).
It was only recently when I bought my >2Ghz core 2 xp box that I realized what was actually happening.
My first PC had an Athlon Thunderbird 1400, 128Mo of SDRram (later replaced with 128 + 256 of DDR1) and a GeForce 2 MX 400 on an Asus A7A-266 motherboard (that had both SDRam and DDR1 slots) I think I had a 20GB WD hard drive, and I started with Windows Me (a piece of trash) before switching to XP
My first PC: Athlon XP 1700+, 512 SDR and GeForce2 MX 400, and I also started with Me, changed to 98 until XP.
@@MidnightGeek99 Me was such a catastrophe :D
Which version of the Nvidia drivers did you install ? The latest 81.xx drivers are TERRIBLE for both compatibility and stability with older cards, you probably want to downgrade them to a release much closer to the release date of your card. Performance and stability should increase dramatically :)
45.23 for these tests.
nice i have a 1.4Ghz Athlon but i have mine matched up with 3Dfx voodoo 5 5500
@@Mr_Meowingtons woow, now that's a nice video card! Enjoy it :)
Thunder Chicken!
lol
I think at the time or just after I went for the Athlon 1.4ghz cpu (Upgrade from AMD K6/2 500mhz). Can't remember the gpu I had at the time. I know I had a PCI voodoo3 2000 card. I think my first geforce was either a Geforce 265 or was it the Geforce 4 4200ti? Not sure which came first.
The GeForce 256 came first, in 1999, the ti 4200 in 2002.
Going from 500 MHz to Athlon 1.4 GHz would have been a huge update.
Try installing a stripped down version of Windows 2000, that should be a bit more stable than Windows 98 and maybe it will be faster
10x, I do want to give 2000 a chance.
Which driver version are you using? I genuinely don't recommend using anything newer than Detonator 30.82 with Windows 98.
45.23
@@MidnightGeek99 You have lost compatibility and performance. If you have time, I would recommend trying the 30.82.
@@Stermy57HW I would like to move to Windows 2000, to have the proper 2000 experience :)
@@MidnightGeek99 those components are meant to be stronger under Windows 98 however Windows 2000 is not a bad idea but you need to change CPU, at least a Palomino.. I have noticed in my benchmarks that socket 462 is stronger with the aforementioned OS compared to 98/ME or XP.
To be honest Windows 2000 SP4 is the GOAT.
i had the thunderbird with 1,4 ghz
Is that the fastest Athlon?
Maybe Windows 2000 will be the saviour. It's nice and stable unlike 98.
Yes, I think it's time to go for Win 2000, never had a build with it.
I've never seen Quake 2 with sprites for explosions instead of 3D models, is that a mod or something?
A demo version.
@@MidnightGeek99 Thanks!
how fast we come all connections are Analog it is only 20 years
It was a simpler time!
Ehhh.. Creative prroblems again for you :D ? I have 2 ct4830 and they work perfectly on drivers from 2003, there was a disk version of them. Just do not bother with VXD that rig is past DOS anyway. Just choose WDM. VXD gave me problem with SATA drives and games like: Summoner, Archangel, Fighting Force... I even tried Audigy2 drivers pack from PHILS website and sometimes I got weird sound glitches and bluescreens. So WDM is the way to go if no DOS or SB Emulation is needed.
Thanks for the tip! I've decided to renounce my ways and use only integrated for 98....or ISA sound cards.
What monitor model in thos video and what the best 4:3 or maybe 16:10 monitors for retro gaming?
I'm using an Eizo S2100, 4:3, 1600x1200, and it's amazing for older games, but not for shooters, because it has a lot of input lag for the mouse.
If you don't want a CRT, which would be the best choice for classic games, and you want a fast display, for shooters, you can get a 19" LCD, 5:4.
@@MidnightGeek99 which 5:4 monitor you can advise?
Still have my athlon 1.33 ghz from high school I used to over clock it all the way to 1.9 ghz😂
Wow, really nice that you still have it, the only thing I have from my first PC is the CRT.
@@MidnightGeek99 yeah I still have motherboard box still. 🤣 I wish I kept my CRT it’s worth good money now being it was a flat screen one.
I am very jealous
Don't be, it did not work properly :))
lol. Thermalpast wasn’t even invented yet
Yes, back then we had thermal mud!
I hate Creative sound cards for Win9x and even DOS. Yamaha is way better, IMO. The WinXP era Creative sound cards worked okay, but they became fairly useless in Vista+ anyway. Also, before anyone says it, EAX is super overrated and usually ruins the sound more than it helps.
Hehe, video dedicated to sound with and without EAX incoming? Maybe :)
i had that cpu back in the day 1.2ghz with a leadtek geforce 2 gts
Nice, that was a very fast system!
Maybe your Mainboard is not good sometimes Mainboard causes problems under Windows 98se use a better via driver 5.11 is OK imo.
Yeah, maybe I should try Millenium :)) I got the drivers from the theretroweb, and honestly I never bothered with versions, thank you for the idea.
but can it run windows 7?
Maybe...I did not try :)
P4 with RD-RAM was faster.
Maybe.
Draga tovarase, in anul 2000 aveai Pentium III de 1100, care batea la cur orice AMD. Procesoarele pe care le folosesti in video-ul asta erau sabotate de producator (cache dezactivat/anulat cu laserul litografic), nu aveau proba termica integrata si se ardeau random, erau extrem de instabile, de aia ai avut atatea probleme, nu ca ai fi facut ceva gresit, doar ca procesoarele alea efectiv nu executau corect instructiunile. Asta se intampla si in ziua de azi, vad PC-uri si laptop-uri cu AMD pe care Windows da bluescreen la instalare, nu poate progresa si este returnat in garantie. Nu pentru ca este Windows-ul corupt sau ceva, ci pentru ca este procesorul defect. AMD astia au mult curaj sa iti shipeze un procesor incapabil de a boota in Windows, sau cateodata chiar si in BIOS.
Sunt ok procesoarele de la AMD.
what's with that shitty ut performance? i had an atlhon 700@819mhz and a geforce 2 GTS and i'm 100% sure i got way higher fps than that. like in the 70~80s. in fact, my brother's pentium 2 400@533 is what ran more or less like this. maybe even a little better.
I don't know, it should play better...I'm using the GoG version.