DSM is very refined and well produced but the fact with the Ugreen ones after their initial wobble on the topic, you can totally run your own OS and they will honor the warranty on the basis of it not being caused by the OS does make it a very attractive option
Synology VM is trash I have a DS1621+ 6x18TB HDDs 2x 2TB Samsung 960 Pros for caching and 64GB of ram the BM has 32GB still can't break over 5fps in the VM.
@@shadowarez1337 You are really using 64GB RAM in a NAS that only manages 32GB maximum memory capacity according to the manufacturer? Don't complain about any issues you encounter. There is a reason for the restriction. And a NAS is not a cinematic device or what do you mean with 5fps?
@@stefang.2937 it sees the full 64gb of ram without issue. The 5 fps is only way I can describe how slow the VM interaction is like navigating around the os as in opening a browser takes 3-10 seconds or opening a explorer window takes roughly 5 seconds before it responds and actually opens the window. It works but it's just not smooth which is fine it's prob not meant to run VMs smoothly hence the moving to a custom built NAS while making this Synology a back up location only.
100% this is starting to feel like the Scalpacolypse of the Nvidia 3000 series it seemed Tech Tubers were the only ones getting these as consumers couldn't buy any unless you shopped eBay and spent 300% over MSRP.
Glad that you ID'd a reality in the NAS world, NAS units are increasingly multi-function devices. I am hoping Synology and QNAP up their hardware game in response.
Indeed. I guess they need to weight those more power user scenarios against the average power consumption which is a big deal in most countries. Possibly something like ARM might be a savior.
8:00 so fun fact, every synology nas comes with 2 to 4 surveillance station license built-in. If you are using more than 4 cameras yes you need to purchase additional licenses but those are also one time purchases and can be freely transferred from camera to camera.
Still boils down to nothing more than a money grab. There is no reason they should be charging for something like that. Let's be honest, they do it because they can for easy money. Period. What difference does it make if I use 2 cameras or I use 6 connected to their system? Answer: none. Same hardware that you bought and assume you own. Then again, other companies (Qnap) do this as well so you're stuck either way. This is just another scheme that manufacturers are using across every industry now to extort money out of people for things they already own because they paid for it.
@@Megamax-ms9xu One way of looking at it sure. But I need an NVR and I need a NAS. The license cost is worth it to not need 2 devices. Also, the added camera licenses can be salvaged and brought with you if you upgrade your NAS.
I got the Ugreen Nas 8800 for $900 so I’m very happy with it so far. Yes the software is no where near synology but I. Believe in the next year they will be right up there. I am using it for a media server so with basic storage and making a backup of drives off site. It will do well. Many people are complaining about the software and issues but as I been finding out it’s more user error. Still trying to get plex running and I am getting closer it’s always been my lack of knowledge on a Nas server. This is my first.
I also got my 8 bay from their kickstarter, I have it now, and am just waiting for all the upgrade parts I am going to install, 64GB of memory is the last thing I am waiting for, already have the 2 2TB Nvme drives, and the 8 20TB hard drives. I bought a 10GB router and the first thing I will do is connect the Qnap 8 Bay with it's two 4bay daughters into the router, and then plug this uGreen in as well. I will then transfer a lot of items off of the Qnap to free up space there. I have not decided whether or not to go with the uGreen OS or go to TrueNas. Only software for NAS I have ever used is the beginner version of the Qnap software, and even then I only use the fileserver features, don't need or use any of the other features / programs, it does not connect to the internet nor will the uGreen.
Awesome video - when I saw the title I was like "uh gosh, not another sponsored UGREEN NAS video" 😂 But thankfully my cynical POV was wrong - this sums things up really well IMO.
I got my UGREEN NAS 10 days ago and I feel exactly the same. I have the 4 bay Plus model and hardware wise it's a dime. But the software…uff. I love the look and general design of the UI. That's top notch, but feature wise and stability wise it's still a long way from perfect. I guess that's what the 40% Kickstarter discount was for and it should be fully usable by the end of the year (I'm getting updates almost every day so it seems like that should be the case). Because I only dabble in tech and building pc's and don't really know how to code, use the console or linux in general, I have to stick with what the OS offers me. And I hope they'll add most of the features that I want
UGREEN is based in Communist PRC, it has very poor quality and high malfunction rate, on top of that, it has multiple backdoors that connects to PRC that allows terrorists in PRC, Russia, Iran, N.Korea, Afghanistan, Palestine etc to use your data against you. Don't buy UGREEN NAS or any electronic device made in PRC if you care about your data safety. Synology is based in democratic Taiwan, it is also the home base of many famous tech companies such as TSMC, Asus, Acer etc. Many famous tech people such as Jensen Wang and Lisa Su are also from Taiwan.
@@TechWithNiccolo To keep the answer short, it got better and a lot more stable. No big new apps, but a lot of quality of life improvements to their exising apps and many bug fixes. The system has been very stable for the past 2-3 months and didn't crash on me anymore. Me and my gf mostly use the server for automatically backing up our phone libraries (I use a samsung and she has a iphone) and macbooks via timemachine and watching movies/series on the tv at home. For that use case everything works perfectly fine. I even managed to set up a virtual machine running a windows server for some discord bots a friend of mine developed and it runs very comfortably (had to upgrade to 16gb of ram though). Overall I am very happy with the updates and am actually quite confident that the few features that I am still missing will be added in a future update. Like a eBook reader app or being able to set the video-streaming bitrate for when streaming over mobile data e.g.
Ordered the Ugreen DXP8800 Pro with the i7 from China which is not available for backing in the kickstarter campaign. Excluding shipping, it costs 6599 Chinese Yuan which is around $910+. This is value considering I could install Truenas or Unraid onto it. Not to mention it supports up to 64GB DDR5 ram, two NVME slots, native 10Gbe, and Thunderbolt 4.0, on top of the 8-bay slots. It is as close as it gets to be a complete all-in-one NAS solution. I do get that Synology DSM is extremely easy to set up for those not savvy to install another OS but for homelabbers, the Ugreen cannot be beat with that hardware.
For that sort of cash you're getting into second hand real server territory. I don't remember exactly what I paid for my HP ML350 G10 but it was roughly a grand, little over, with a intel 4114 10 core CPU, 64Gb RAM, 8x2,5" bays, put a 4x3,5" bay module in it, space for one more module. Has 4 NIC's plus iLO, could stuff it to the gills with 10Gbe NICs if I was so inclined but I have a switch anyway. It can scale up to 50+ cores, 1.5Tb RAM, and I also have a ASUS Hyper M.2 for quad NVMe SSD. Thing also has hotswap PSU's of course. So the UGreen can be beat - and then some. Sure, my "homeserver" is perhaps a bit extreme, but it will most definitely curbstomp these sorts of machines, with one hand tied behind it's back. My config beats these things and it's an entry level config, if I max it out it will obviously be a LOT more expensive but at the same time it will have the compute power of a shipping container full of UGreen things. Ok, maybe not literally, but you get my point - it does SCALE UP.
@@noth606 You are confusing homelab with enterprise servers. The amount of power draw, and heat, from servers are way higher than these small NASes. They also take up more space and are much noisier. I get that there is limited expandability with only one PCIe slot in the UGreen NAS. I recently added a HBA to add more HDD beyond the 8 slots. So far I have increased the RAM to 64GB DDR5 along with 8 HDDs, 4 SSDs and 2 NVMEs for 3 VMs and the system has been really stable.
@@vidx9 I'm not confusing anything, but it seems others are when they go on about the specs of home NAS&homelab servers. Sure, my ML350 is bigger than these NASappliances, but not by that much. It's basically a big tower PC sort of size, just 50% longer, but what it is not is noisy. I expected it to be much louder since it is basically an enterprise rack server, but it is not bad at all - roughly like a couple of desktop systems. It has a LOT of fans in it but none of them spin quickly if you have it set to "normal fan profile" - there are 3 profiles or so if I recall correctly, one is "usual rack server" where it moves a lot of air through, one is "max", and one is "active monitor" or some such where it adjusts fanspeed according to temp sensors, and with that one selected it is very quiet except if under heavy load or rebooting. The rest depends on what you have in it, mine isn't built to be quiet since I have several 15k rpm SAS drives in it, but the 7200rpm storage isn't loud - to me anyway. By "it's not loud to me" I mean that I sit next to it when I'm using my normal PC, it doesn't bother me. As for power draw I haven't measured it, but it does have 2x800W PSU's in it so it can draw quite a bit if it needs to. Will likely be swapping them for 2x1400W soon since I'm going to upgrade CPU and RAM on it. Probably going for 2x Xeon Platinum 8173M 28 core with turbo up to 3,8GHz and likely 384Gb RAM, maybe more depending on deals. That is not something you can do on a small homeserver. Reason is to test some specific cluster deployed application architectures on windows server hosts, instead of having a rack full of servers I can run it on VM's in my HP and have the flexibility to reconfigure it anytime I want.
@@noth606 That's where you are confused. Home users need a NAS mainly for storage and/or to run it as a media server with some other home automation apps, set up and tuck it away in a corner, not a full blown compute powerhouse. I get that an enterprise server can do all these and much more, however, it is an overkill for 99% of homelabbers. I used to run a server too with 2x Xeon for 48 cores and 256GB RAM but have since "downgraded" to a NAS solution because it was drawing too much power running 24/7. Not economical for a home.
I've been using Synology for 10 years and initially loved their NAS systems. However, I'm now really frustrated with their recent changes. When I upgrade my hardware, I'm planning to switch to TrueNAS or maybe QNAP. Synology removed SMART monitoring, and you get errors if you’re not using Synology's own RAM or HDDs. Additionally, Active Backup for Business (ABB) isn’t compatible with the latest Linux Kernel. Also they removed NFS4.1 in some of their Systems with a software update. Their rackmount lineup is also problematic for small setups, as you can't add an M.2 cache and end up wasting two HDD slots for SSD caching. Plus, if you need more than 8 slots, it becomes quite expensive. Synology needs to lift these restrictions or at least provide an option to dismiss the warnings and acknowledge that they won't support systems using non-Synology hardware. On the hardware side, they should include M.2 and 10GbE support in their rackmount NAS, and introduce affordable 12-bay or 16-bay models. If you want a system that just works without needing to tinker or worry about it, Synology is a great choice.
Yeah Synology is in an increasingly commoditized market and they're trying to figure out new ways to make margin. When I see companies engage in these sorts of strategies (take stuff away, then charge more for returning it to you), it is a sign that maybe you should look elsewhere.
Great summation. I haven't even run into those problems, and I just find DSM limiting for what I want to do, as the version of Docker / Docker Compose they ship is friggin' ancient, I can't even use include in Docker Compose files.
I'm 100% with you. My business has done two 3-year hardware refreshes and each time it has been with Synology. Two 12-bay Synology NAS units at Head office and another 6 remote sites each with one. Since the changes, we have already decided that the 2025 refresh will go to another brand - hence I am shopping around now.
17:40 Gotta agree on your conclusion. I’m a compsci grad so I could build and run my own, but what’s the point if a good solution is available that saves me time so I can focus on my core business.
Would you not then be tempted to go for a 'real' solution rather than these dinky toys? Something like this is what I might suggest for my mom to use if she needed a NAS, I've got a HP ML350 with a 3,5" cage for bulk storage and a 2,5" for faster storage, mixed SSD and 15krpm drives. Right now it has a meh config, single 4110, 64Gb but I will be upgrading it soon, probably 30 to 50ish cores and 256Gb or more RAM. Have a few ideas to put that level of gear to use on. Main point is proper gear doesn't cost that much more, certified refurb, and you can run whatever level of CPU/RAM/Storage/IO you want pretty much, $$ allowing. Before I forget, just so this maybe makes more sense, I'm a retired software developer, worked on various enterprise level solutions - hence the gear picks - I want to tinker with stuff still.
There's also the point of software improvements over time. Ugreen software improved so much in the past year like you said, so what's it going to look next year? They already added a lot in the 3 months since the posting of this video.
I would recommend build your own however i have 2synology 8bays as my main nas and another as a backup to it across the world. They will last me a decade yes and they wont require maintenance etc but when they do fail im building my own. Synology has a place and for the convenience its worth the money. Here is hopping ugreen improves in the gen2.
Ordered via Kickstarter a DXP8800 Plus with 2x 10Gb network card and will run TrueNAS Scale on it - pricewise unbeatable. I suppose that UGREEN will not hold its $1,500 price tag for the device over time as the software is still kind of beta compared to Synology. In the end UGREEN offers a super attractive hardware that can be tailored to everbody's needs - willingness and knowledge regarding mods required.
I've been dealing with Synology for a bunch of years. I do like their software (DSM). I don't like the hardware failures I've seen and the difficulty getting replacement parts (power supplies and such). You did not talk about warranties? I do not know anything about UGREEN. Do they have serviceable hardware (such as replacing failed power supplies)? Very good and informative video overall! I appreciate you!
I run an older Synology NAS and it has been rock solid. My one issue is that there are a lot of work arounds to get things like Jellyfin working with transcoding and Sonarr etc. That said, I think I’m better off using the Syn as a storage and getting one of those mini HP computers to run dockers and do transcoding.
I plan on installing proxmox and inside of it a VM with Xpenology I'm also planning on installing a 2 bay nvme expansion card to get a total of 4 nvme drives
After being frustrated with synology for years, i ended up buildig my own. I cant believe i have never done that before... The best decision i have made instead of upgrading my synology nass
@@StunnerAlpha I ended up going with proxmox as the base os for virtualization and lxc containers, and unraid to manage the storage. Its unconventional but it was mainly because I couldn't afford to do zfs straight away. Proxmox is rock solid for virtualisation.
Great video comparison. I also believe in the software experience making up for lackluster hardware. I've been hoping Synology would be updating this year but nothing yet. For the longest time, I was eyeing the 5 bay solution, which is upgradeable for RAM, Network etc.; however, that made the device quite expensive. With the UGreen, I got the 4-bay Plus version earlier bird (so saved around 30%), bought 2, 2TB nvme's on sale during Prime Days, and will upgrade the RAM and then buy the 12 or 16 TB drives in a bit. I've also been holding off on tinkering with it for the software to improve. I mostly want a NAS for back-up for my YT videos, music, etc, and the UGreen KS offered a decent price alternative to Synology. Hopefully I won't regret my choice. :)
Synology not refreshing the hardware on their consumer NAS products is basically like giving the middle finger to their users. People have been begging for a couple of years now, almost every other company has upgraded hardware. Very disappointing and makes me not want to support them... However, they do have the best software and I think they know that which is the reason for not upgrading the hardware.
Unfortunately, I won't be switching away from Synology unless the other system get unbelievable good in the software department. DSM is what is keeping synology home user. Synology hardware is just a Joke at this point, shipping a new products with a 5 years old CPU (no one should get away with this). The older the CPU the less support it will get & the more bugs will be found at some points.
Their software is also touch and go. Their mobile apps are poorly designed and look antique, they don't even have a Synology notes app compatible with my sgs22 (if Google play is to be believed), their windows drive client is UI hell and stumbles periodically and unexplainably - doesn't hold a candle to Dropbox client. And now that they've clearly showed they don't value their Soho/small business customers, they're dead to me
Thanks for the DIY list. For me, it is still price. Synology or UGreen, these are so pricey and that's before buying drives. The hardest DIY part for me is trying to find a mid/full ATX case that has lots of bays (that are easy to access). The Fractal Design 5 looked great being mid size, but not at $180. The one in your DIY list gave me another option, but still looking for suggestions for ATX.
Totally agree. Synology software is great however virtualization is unusable if you're expecting something snappy due to the underpowered hardware (DS920).
Replacing my DS918+ next week with a new NAS. Whilst i'd obviously like to have better hardware, particularly not have to pay extra for 10GB, have hardware transcoding, more and faster RAM etc, etc, etc. But at the end of the day for me it came down to the Software, the OS reliability and features, and the packages I use on a daily basis. Synology got another sale, and it wasn't a particularly difficult decision when it comes to something that's going to be used for real workflows, storage and backups.
That's what I am running atm, cant decide if I should build a NAS with my old unused Coolermaster Cosmos II or buy another Synology or Qnap/UGreen units....
I don't think that you realize how advanced of an application Surveillance Station is. Not only does it present camera images, but it has masking and motion triggering areas, sound triggering, doors access control integration, point of sale integration, "guard tour", and many other features too numerous to mention. We are a commercial dairy farm and creamery, and paying a $50 license fee per camera is a mere drop in the bucket for a commercial quality surveillance application that you get for free. Most equivalent applications like this cost thousands of dollars. This is not consumer quality software. By the way, you do get two free licenses.
I mean I know it has all those features but if you have something like Reolink or Unifi you get a lot of that same stuff without paying per camera. But if it works for you then cool!
As a TOTAL noob when it comes to NAS, what would you recommend? I am quite good at building PCs and the software with Windows, but I really have no knowledge of Network Attached Storage.
Well, in my case UGREEN NAS wins as I am running TrueNAS Scale on it, so better hardware and upgradability (running easily upgraded 64GB RAM) was the determining factor as I wanted more than just a file server but the apps etc. that is easily available. Seamless installation of Paperless-Ngx was the biggest determining factor.
Great video. What's your take on Synology sending telemetry usage data back to home base? Is this a privacy concern in your eyes? If one was so inclined, would putting something like pihole in between network requests work to sufficiently mitigate this concern; or are privacy minded folks relegated to the UX unpleasantness of TrueNAS? Thanks in advance.
It's hard to argue against the Synology for an off the shelf solution, isn't it? I like the way you broke it down... 60, 20, 20. I'm a tinkerer, so I'll keep using castoff and ebay bits to build my servers, but Synology is the direction I steer anyone who has some other reason to consider a NAS.
I bought the 4800plus for $419 via the kickstarter so I'm thrilled with the hardware quality and value for the price. Just ordered 4 18tb drives that'll be here in a few days so I'm spending that time learning how I'm going to set it up and with what software. It's definitely going to be a media server and remote backup solution, not sure what else yet. Fingers crossed it runs a small minecraft server well.
I would get the ugreen one. Just becasue they allow you to use a different os like tru nas. I would like to have that ability to then be forced to stick with manufacture os. I will wait till ugreen matures. i feel they are using the kickstarter to get a feel of the market and what people think.
It's unfortunate, I would like to try out one of the UGreens for my first NAS, but they are only available in the US & Germany currently with no timeline to be available in Canada where I am. It's definitely a weird thing to only be available in one country in both North America and Europe.
You didn't mention what the most important thing for me is on these systems, RAID types. I love SHR on Synology, but I haven't yet tried QNAP, TerraMaster, and now UGREEN which offers something similar outside of standard RAID types.
The ugreens are basically using notebook hardware which draws more power. This was one of my points to get a synology… yes the hardware specs are inferior but it fits my needs.
Software can always be updated so I have a feeling UGREEN is setting it's self up for the future(Futureproof is what they call it). With already predetermined hardware, Synology is hard to upgrade following Software needs hardware.
I agree that the Synology software, for me, is the only reason I stay. It’s hard to beat. If another company can recreate the software ecosystem….then Synology will be way harder to justify the price tag in their stuff.
New to the world of NAS. Looking to add one to my arsenal as a Video Editor. What device would serve the best purpose for having clients access it to upload their own video clips?
In Btrfs you cannot make a snapshot of just any random folder. That folder has to be created as a subvolume first. And if it's that, then it doesn't get included into snapshots of any and all subvolumes above it in the directory tree.
What if I want to go from JBOD to NAS and use my existing harddrives... basically no chance I can use synology right... buy the unit is just the first cost then you have to buy very specific drives.. or am I wrong?
QUESTION: Which NAS would you recommend for 97% backing up photos/videos and 3% documents? So far, I've for (3) 8TB drives (copies of each other) that are maxed out. Thanks.
We used qnap at work… switching to Synology simply because software wins… buying extra software to do backups, etc., means qnap in the long run cost much more… is ugreen any better? Maybe not yet…
For me the out of box lack of anything not 1 GbE is a deal breaker for me in 2024. I have a truly ancient DS-1813+ still in service, but with just about everything in my house at 2.5 or 10 GbE, a Synology won't be it's replacement (which will be happening soon). It is a shame because I have been happy with Synology over the years.
How does the OEM software handel data integrity in raid? I know Truenas can compare files and serve only the good one, fixing the bad one, but can either do the same out of the box? I ask, because a NAS is not in itself backup, and if the NAS can't tell the raid data is corrupted....
With all of its bells and whistles, Synology is a slower NAS. I have both (Synology and Ugreen), and Ugreen always outperforms Synology regarding raw performance, which I initially wanted.
Synology bit gray area with ram (when it has 2 slots) generally most models that are using ddr4 they will work perfectly fine with 2x32gb (if it's ddr3 models most of the time 2x32gb but some will only work with 2x8gb assuming it has a 2 physical slots, very annoying when Synology installs stupid low 2gb onto the motherboard leaving you with 2gb non replaceable + 16gb or 32gb module
Yea I agree. UGREEN is promising for sure, but until they can more closely compete with Synology on the software side, I'm unlikely to give them a serious look. For me, I'm not going to buy an off the shelf NAS and put TrueNAS on it. You buy something like that mostly for the software. Thanks for the cool video!
Synology is going to, maybe, get some needed competition. The consumer will be the winner. Capitalism does have some nice benefits. Your presentation is well done and appreciated.
So this video struck me in a funny way. "This Synology just has too much software that I might not use." "But this TrueGreen is lacking important software that I find to be essential, but it has really awesome hardware. So I have this really awesome hardware that would be great if only it had the software I needed to make it awesome." OK, I'm not right in the head. But that's how I was hearing this. Before computers, people used to pour over spec sheets for stereo amplifiers. Is it class A? What is the distortion? This one has lower distortion. If you have really, really thick cables you'll lose less power going to your speakers (it actually makes no difference). Blah, blah, blah. And it was amazing when people would spend thousands upon thousands on audio equipment only to have someone with reliable mass market equipment have a stereo that sounded just awesome. We have now moved on to NAS specs. And it is the same damn thing. "Specs" don't always get you something better. They may not even get you what you want. Over-reliance on specs has resulted in so much disappointment over the years.
My conclusion as unhappy Qnap owner is Synalogy needs to up it's hardware specs across the board and U-Green needs to lower prices, especially on high end models. $1500 on the 8-bay model, jumping up by $500 from the 6-bay is ridiculous. and you like Truenas, just go and by TrueNAS Mini and while it's not cheap, you'd be supporting the developers directly and getting guaranteed best possible hardware config for running Truenas.
The winner is the vendor that does not lock down the hard drive choices through a scam certification, forcing you to buy from them... Synology sux. Does UGreen?
I don't understand why people spend this money on these machines. Where is that money going? You are better of buying any consumer hardware and installing truenas, unraid, casa OS, nextcloud or OMV. You get more cores, ram, your IO and OS of choice
I spent the money 10 years ago (and a 2nd unit 5 years ago) since my networking knowledge was nil. I was on a learning curve to set up the Synology. Now, I am ready to build/tinker with a 3rd unit. These units have functioned flawlessly for my simple uses for many years, so I don't regret buying Synology. However, the lack of attention to the home user/prosumer market and my gained experience is causing me to look elsewhere.
I am stuck between both brands, I would like to have either 6 or 8 bays. Maybe you can help. I will be primarily using it to store (~ 70+ tb) of music..... .mp3s & .mp4s (1080 p). Which one would you suggest after maxing out specs (10Gb port, Ram 64 gb, Ironwolf HHD 20 or 22 tb).
Just get the 8-bay and future proof yourself. Get recertified 22TB Iron Wolf Pros or Exos from Server Part Deals for a great price and warranty and run badblocks using bht on a Linux machine to burn them in and check for errors. This will take a couple of days especially for big drives but after passing it, the hard drives should be good for production use. Good luck! 👍
@@xellaz thats what I was thinking about doing, getting the 8 bay one. However the 1821+ seems to be a bit outdated and I'm worried that it may longer recieve the future updates. And for the HHDs I was thinking about buying the Ironwolf Pro renewed drives from Amazon.
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I am currently not sure if I should build my own nas or buy a Ugreen 6 bay nas. On one hand, it will be slightly cheaper and I will get a better CPU and more memory if I DIY it. On the other hand, there is basically no way that you will find a Nas case that is even half as decent as the enclosures of these of the shelf solutions. Metal, good looking, hot-swap bays. I also don't think that there is a itx mainboard that has 10Gbit/s without using an external network card, which is quite bad honestly. If you want to diy your nas, you also likely want to have the freedom to put a GPU for encoding in it, which you will lack again if you need to have a network card. M2 network cards are an option, but good luck bodging that inside your case. You could use an mATX mainboard, but that will again drastically increase power draw and you will need a significantly larger case.
I've been pleased so far with my Jansbo N3 I'm building in. I don't have 10GB Ethernet but I have an HBA with plans of running 8 separate HDDs. It'll have an i5-12500T so I'll encode with the onboard graphics all while at a low power draw.
The Kickstarter gave me the opportunity to get the 4800 plus for 400 USD. Putting it into perspective on the chart, value is too fucking good even with bad software - especially a x86 box like this as Linux is only a USB install away
Someone needs to make some decent matx / itx cases with sata backplanes and sleds at a reasonable price. I'd wager this is the reason most don't DIY their own NAS
NasCompares just showed a Jonbos N5 box with room for 12 drives all plugged into backplanes for data and power, has room for MULTI board sizes and also 8 PCI slot cutouts in the back of the box. I am getting one as soon as it is available in the US.
@@GrandizerGo Thats a nice case if the price is right and looking at what the N4 and N3 are going for on AliExpress I think it will be 👍 The lay out of the drives is strange, I'd have went either kept them all horizontal in a 4x3 arrangement or all vertical in 12x1 but still a nice case that doesn't cost almost as much as a prebuilt for a change
I initially pledged for the UGreen 8 bay with the intent of putting TrueNAS Scale on it, but I ended up canceling as I decide for ZFS I wanted ECC support. There's no real winning here, as for ECC support they basically have two choices: 1. Intel's W680 chipset, which would add $300-400 to the price, probably, but still gives QuickSync support 2. Go with AMD and lose QuickSync support I've got a Minisforum MS-01 and a DS918+ for QuickSync, so honestly I'd rather they have gone AMD. I'd likely have kept that pledge if it had ECC support. It's a shame, because during the Kickstarter, you could get the 8 bay for less than the 6 bay costs now.
UGreen NAS sells hardware (with free software) Synology sells software (with free hardware) 😌 UGreen hardware is excellent, software need more time for improvement Synology has outstanding software, but ancient time hardware
@@RaidOwl Yeah I think as a means of informing the community, that would be the best course to take, we need to know their software progress in like 6 months, a year, 2 years, as you say see how it evolves.
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DSM is very refined and well produced but the fact with the Ugreen ones after their initial wobble on the topic, you can totally run your own OS and they will honor the warranty on the basis of it not being caused by the OS does make it a very attractive option
Synology VM is trash I have a DS1621+ 6x18TB HDDs 2x 2TB Samsung 960 Pros for caching and 64GB of ram the BM has 32GB still can't break over 5fps in the VM.
Freedom is extremely valuable. I'd go with Ugreen hands down for that.
@@shadowarez1337 You are really using 64GB RAM in a NAS that only manages 32GB maximum memory capacity according to the manufacturer? Don't complain about any issues you encounter. There is a reason for the restriction. And a NAS is not a cinematic device or what do you mean with 5fps?
@@stefang.2937 it sees the full 64gb of ram without issue. The 5 fps is only way I can describe how slow the VM interaction is like navigating around the os as in opening a browser takes 3-10 seconds or opening a explorer window takes roughly 5 seconds before it responds and actually opens the window. It works but it's just not smooth which is fine it's prob not meant to run VMs smoothly hence the moving to a custom built NAS while making this Synology a back up location only.
The best NAS is the one I can actually get. UGreen might be cheaper, but I can’t order one.
100% this is starting to feel like the Scalpacolypse of the Nvidia 3000 series it seemed Tech Tubers were the only ones getting these as consumers couldn't buy any unless you shopped eBay and spent 300% over MSRP.
Are you American? Its listed on the US site, but not other countries...
@@T1kr3b3u sell to one country say FU to any other good business strategy like Disney's business model 🤣
Glad that you ID'd a reality in the NAS world, NAS units are increasingly multi-function devices. I am hoping Synology and QNAP up their hardware game in response.
Indeed. I guess they need to weight those more power user scenarios against the average power consumption which is a big deal in most countries. Possibly something like ARM might be a savior.
8:00 so fun fact, every synology nas comes with 2 to 4 surveillance station license built-in. If you are using more than 4 cameras yes you need to purchase additional licenses but those are also one time purchases and can be freely transferred from camera to camera.
Also synology cameras do not require a license.
@@drewbert83 So either pay synology for the cameras or pay synology for the licenses. Sounds like they win either way.
Still boils down to nothing more than a money grab. There is no reason they should be charging for something like that. Let's be honest, they do it because they can for easy money. Period. What difference does it make if I use 2 cameras or I use 6 connected to their system? Answer: none. Same hardware that you bought and assume you own. Then again, other companies (Qnap) do this as well so you're stuck either way. This is just another scheme that manufacturers are using across every industry now to extort money out of people for things they already own because they paid for it.
@@Megamax-ms9xu One way of looking at it sure. But I need an NVR and I need a NAS. The license cost is worth it to not need 2 devices. Also, the added camera licenses can be salvaged and brought with you if you upgrade your NAS.
I got the Ugreen Nas 8800 for $900 so I’m very happy with it so far. Yes the software is no where near synology but I. Believe in the next year they will be right up there. I am using it for a media server so with basic storage and making a backup of drives off site. It will do well. Many people are complaining about the software and issues but as I been finding out it’s more user error. Still trying to get plex running and I am getting closer it’s always been my lack of knowledge on a Nas server. This is my first.
I also got my 8 bay from their kickstarter, I have it now, and am just waiting for all the upgrade parts I am going to install, 64GB of memory is the last thing I am waiting for, already have the 2 2TB Nvme drives, and the 8 20TB hard drives. I bought a 10GB router and the first thing I will do is connect the Qnap 8 Bay with it's two 4bay daughters into the router, and then plug this uGreen in as well. I will then transfer a lot of items off of the Qnap to free up space there. I have not decided whether or not to go with the uGreen OS or go to TrueNas. Only software for NAS I have ever used is the beginner version of the Qnap software, and even then I only use the fileserver features, don't need or use any of the other features / programs, it does not connect to the internet nor will the uGreen.
Buying Ugreen and installing TrueNas or other stable system.
@@MagDag_ I got a Terra master and installed TrueNAS. Works great!
Awesome video - when I saw the title I was like "uh gosh, not another sponsored UGREEN NAS video" 😂 But thankfully my cynical POV was wrong - this sums things up really well IMO.
I’m not always a shill 👍🏼
I got my UGREEN NAS 10 days ago and I feel exactly the same. I have the 4 bay Plus model and hardware wise it's a dime. But the software…uff. I love the look and general design of the UI. That's top notch, but feature wise and stability wise it's still a long way from perfect. I guess that's what the 40% Kickstarter discount was for and it should be fully usable by the end of the year (I'm getting updates almost every day so it seems like that should be the case).
Because I only dabble in tech and building pc's and don't really know how to code, use the console or linux in general, I have to stick with what the OS offers me. And I hope they'll add most of the features that I want
UGREEN is based in Communist PRC, it has very poor quality and high malfunction rate, on top of that, it has multiple backdoors that connects to PRC that allows terrorists in PRC, Russia, Iran, N.Korea, Afghanistan, Palestine etc to use your data against you. Don't buy UGREEN NAS or any electronic device made in PRC if you care about your data safety.
Synology is based in democratic Taiwan, it is also the home base of many famous tech companies such as TSMC, Asus, Acer etc. Many famous tech people such as Jensen Wang and Lisa Su are also from Taiwan.
How is it nowadays (4 months down the line) - have updates made it better, or is it still pretty much at the same stage?
@@TechWithNiccolo To keep the answer short, it got better and a lot more stable. No big new apps, but a lot of quality of life improvements to their exising apps and many bug fixes. The system has been very stable for the past 2-3 months and didn't crash on me anymore.
Me and my gf mostly use the server for automatically backing up our phone libraries (I use a samsung and she has a iphone) and macbooks via timemachine and watching movies/series on the tv at home. For that use case everything works perfectly fine.
I even managed to set up a virtual machine running a windows server for some discord bots a friend of mine developed and it runs very comfortably (had to upgrade to 16gb of ram though).
Overall I am very happy with the updates and am actually quite confident that the few features that I am still missing will be added in a future update. Like a eBook reader app or being able to set the video-streaming bitrate for when streaming over mobile data e.g.
Colton vs Wolfgang please, please, please!!
Thanks for the like! Now what would be the comparison criteria?
How good they give massages
Who pays the most attention to performance per watt?
@@RaidOwlI just know Colton has soft hands
Ordered the Ugreen DXP8800 Pro with the i7 from China which is not available for backing in the kickstarter campaign. Excluding shipping, it costs 6599 Chinese Yuan which is around $910+. This is value considering I could install Truenas or Unraid onto it. Not to mention it supports up to 64GB DDR5 ram, two NVME slots, native 10Gbe, and Thunderbolt 4.0, on top of the 8-bay slots. It is as close as it gets to be a complete all-in-one NAS solution.
I do get that Synology DSM is extremely easy to set up for those not savvy to install another OS but for homelabbers, the Ugreen cannot be beat with that hardware.
Do you have a link for the DXP8800 Pro?
For that sort of cash you're getting into second hand real server territory. I don't remember exactly what I paid for my HP ML350 G10 but it was roughly a grand, little over, with a intel 4114 10 core CPU, 64Gb RAM, 8x2,5" bays, put a 4x3,5" bay module in it, space for one more module. Has 4 NIC's plus iLO, could stuff it to the gills with 10Gbe NICs if I was so inclined but I have a switch anyway. It can scale up to 50+ cores, 1.5Tb RAM, and I also have a ASUS Hyper M.2 for quad NVMe SSD. Thing also has hotswap PSU's of course.
So the UGreen can be beat - and then some. Sure, my "homeserver" is perhaps a bit extreme, but it will most definitely curbstomp these sorts of machines, with one hand tied behind it's back. My config beats these things and it's an entry level config, if I max it out it will obviously be a LOT more expensive but at the same time it will have the compute power of a shipping container full of UGreen things. Ok, maybe not literally, but you get my point - it does SCALE UP.
@@noth606 You are confusing homelab with enterprise servers. The amount of power draw, and heat, from servers are way higher than these small NASes. They also take up more space and are much noisier. I get that there is limited expandability with only one PCIe slot in the UGreen NAS. I recently added a HBA to add more HDD beyond the 8 slots. So far I have increased the RAM to 64GB DDR5 along with 8 HDDs, 4 SSDs and 2 NVMEs for 3 VMs and the system has been really stable.
@@vidx9 I'm not confusing anything, but it seems others are when they go on about the specs of home NAS&homelab servers. Sure, my ML350 is bigger than these NASappliances, but not by that much. It's basically a big tower PC sort of size, just 50% longer, but what it is not is noisy. I expected it to be much louder since it is basically an enterprise rack server, but it is not bad at all - roughly like a couple of desktop systems. It has a LOT of fans in it but none of them spin quickly if you have it set to "normal fan profile" - there are 3 profiles or so if I recall correctly, one is "usual rack server" where it moves a lot of air through, one is "max", and one is "active monitor" or some such where it adjusts fanspeed according to temp sensors, and with that one selected it is very quiet except if under heavy load or rebooting.
The rest depends on what you have in it, mine isn't built to be quiet since I have several 15k rpm SAS drives in it, but the 7200rpm storage isn't loud - to me anyway. By "it's not loud to me" I mean that I sit next to it when I'm using my normal PC, it doesn't bother me.
As for power draw I haven't measured it, but it does have 2x800W PSU's in it so it can draw quite a bit if it needs to. Will likely be swapping them for 2x1400W soon since I'm going to upgrade CPU and RAM on it. Probably going for 2x Xeon Platinum 8173M 28 core with turbo up to 3,8GHz and likely 384Gb RAM, maybe more depending on deals. That is not something you can do on a small homeserver. Reason is to test some specific cluster deployed application architectures on windows server hosts, instead of having a rack full of servers I can run it on VM's in my HP and have the flexibility to reconfigure it anytime I want.
@@noth606 That's where you are confused. Home users need a NAS mainly for storage and/or to run it as a media server with some other home automation apps, set up and tuck it away in a corner, not a full blown compute powerhouse. I get that an enterprise server can do all these and much more, however, it is an overkill for 99% of homelabbers.
I used to run a server too with 2x Xeon for 48 cores and 256GB RAM but have since "downgraded" to a NAS solution because it was drawing too much power running 24/7. Not economical for a home.
I've been using Synology for 10 years and initially loved their NAS systems. However, I'm now really frustrated with their recent changes. When I upgrade my hardware, I'm planning to switch to TrueNAS or maybe QNAP.
Synology removed SMART monitoring, and you get errors if you’re not using Synology's own RAM or HDDs. Additionally, Active Backup for Business (ABB) isn’t compatible with the latest Linux Kernel. Also they removed NFS4.1 in some of their Systems with a software update. Their rackmount lineup is also problematic for small setups, as you can't add an M.2 cache and end up wasting two HDD slots for SSD caching. Plus, if you need more than 8 slots, it becomes quite expensive.
Synology needs to lift these restrictions or at least provide an option to dismiss the warnings and acknowledge that they won't support systems using non-Synology hardware. On the hardware side, they should include M.2 and 10GbE support in their rackmount NAS, and introduce affordable 12-bay or 16-bay models.
If you want a system that just works without needing to tinker or worry about it, Synology is a great choice.
Yeah Synology is in an increasingly commoditized market and they're trying to figure out new ways to make margin. When I see companies engage in these sorts of strategies (take stuff away, then charge more for returning it to you), it is a sign that maybe you should look elsewhere.
Great summation. I haven't even run into those problems, and I just find DSM limiting for what I want to do, as the version of Docker / Docker Compose they ship is friggin' ancient, I can't even use include in Docker Compose files.
I'm 100% with you. My business has done two 3-year hardware refreshes and each time it has been with Synology. Two 12-bay Synology NAS units at Head office and another 6 remote sites each with one. Since the changes, we have already decided that the 2025 refresh will go to another brand - hence I am shopping around now.
17:40 Gotta agree on your conclusion. I’m a compsci grad so I could build and run my own, but what’s the point if a good solution is available that saves me time so I can focus on my core business.
Would you not then be tempted to go for a 'real' solution rather than these dinky toys? Something like this is what I might suggest for my mom to use if she needed a NAS, I've got a HP ML350 with a 3,5" cage for bulk storage and a 2,5" for faster storage, mixed SSD and 15krpm drives. Right now it has a meh config, single 4110, 64Gb but I will be upgrading it soon, probably 30 to 50ish cores and 256Gb or more RAM. Have a few ideas to put that level of gear to use on.
Main point is proper gear doesn't cost that much more, certified refurb, and you can run whatever level of CPU/RAM/Storage/IO you want pretty much, $$ allowing.
Before I forget, just so this maybe makes more sense, I'm a retired software developer, worked on various enterprise level solutions - hence the gear picks - I want to tinker with stuff still.
There's also the point of software improvements over time. Ugreen software improved so much in the past year like you said, so what's it going to look next year? They already added a lot in the 3 months since the posting of this video.
I would recommend build your own however i have 2synology 8bays as my main nas and another as a backup to it across the world. They will last me a decade yes and they wont require maintenance etc but when they do fail im building my own. Synology has a place and for the convenience its worth the money. Here is hopping ugreen improves in the gen2.
Ordered via Kickstarter a DXP8800 Plus with 2x 10Gb network card and will run TrueNAS Scale on it - pricewise unbeatable.
I suppose that UGREEN will not hold its $1,500 price tag for the device over time as the software is still kind of beta compared to Synology.
In the end UGREEN offers a super attractive hardware that can be tailored to everbody's needs - willingness and knowledge regarding mods required.
same here, i got the 4 bay and got truenas scale running on it, really good system for the price (at least the kickstarter price)
I've been dealing with Synology for a bunch of years. I do like their software (DSM). I don't like the hardware failures I've seen and the difficulty getting replacement parts (power supplies and such). You did not talk about warranties? I do not know anything about UGREEN. Do they have serviceable hardware (such as replacing failed power supplies)?
Very good and informative video overall! I appreciate you!
I run an older Synology NAS and it has been rock solid.
My one issue is that there are a lot of work arounds to get things like Jellyfin working with transcoding and Sonarr etc.
That said, I think I’m better off using the Syn as a storage and getting one of those mini HP computers to run dockers and do transcoding.
Agreed about Syno. The DSM and being able to extend its capabilities with add-ons makes it a good solution for lots of places.
Will buy Ugreen as my first nas, but will wait 6 months as by then their software will be top.
.... i get your point, but when you get the uGreen and install unRAID then it transforms waaaay better than any synology :D
UGREEN NAS with Synology DSM. I've to stop daydreaming, or maybe... ?
I would buy it instantly.
I plan on installing proxmox and inside of it a VM with Xpenology I'm also planning on installing a 2 bay nvme expansion card to get a total of 4 nvme drives
It exists already... :)
@@Epereira56 This is my thought exactly! When you do it, come back here and let us know your experience.
Xpenology, bro.
I think this is a pretty fair comparison.....kudos
Good video. This comparison should be re-done after the next major Ugreen software update.
After being frustrated with synology for years, i ended up buildig my own. I cant believe i have never done that before... The best decision i have made instead of upgrading my synology nass
How? What hardware/software did you end up using?
@@StunnerAlpha I ended up going with proxmox as the base os for virtualization and lxc containers, and unraid to manage the storage.
Its unconventional but it was mainly because I couldn't afford to do zfs straight away. Proxmox is rock solid for virtualisation.
You saying go make your own video made me like this video
Thanks, I agree with your conclusions.
Kickstarter PRICE made it a no brainer to get the DXP 6800 Pro
Great video comparison.
I also believe in the software experience making up for lackluster hardware. I've been hoping Synology would be updating this year but nothing yet. For the longest time, I was eyeing the 5 bay solution, which is upgradeable for RAM, Network etc.; however, that made the device quite expensive. With the UGreen, I got the 4-bay Plus version earlier bird (so saved around 30%), bought 2, 2TB nvme's on sale during Prime Days, and will upgrade the RAM and then buy the 12 or 16 TB drives in a bit. I've also been holding off on tinkering with it for the software to improve. I mostly want a NAS for back-up for my YT videos, music, etc, and the UGreen KS offered a decent price alternative to Synology. Hopefully I won't regret my choice. :)
Synology not refreshing the hardware on their consumer NAS products is basically like giving the middle finger to their users. People have been begging for a couple of years now, almost every other company has upgraded hardware. Very disappointing and makes me not want to support them... However, they do have the best software and I think they know that which is the reason for not upgrading the hardware.
Unfortunately, I won't be switching away from Synology unless the other system get unbelievable good in the software department. DSM is what is keeping synology home user. Synology hardware is just a Joke at this point, shipping a new products with a 5 years old CPU (no one should get away with this). The older the CPU the less support it will get & the more bugs will be found at some points.
Their software is also touch and go. Their mobile apps are poorly designed and look antique, they don't even have a Synology notes app compatible with my sgs22 (if Google play is to be believed), their windows drive client is UI hell and stumbles periodically and unexplainably - doesn't hold a candle to Dropbox client.
And now that they've clearly showed they don't value their Soho/small business customers, they're dead to me
Thanks for the DIY list. For me, it is still price. Synology or UGreen, these are so pricey and that's before buying drives. The hardest DIY part for me is trying to find a mid/full ATX case that has lots of bays (that are easy to access). The Fractal Design 5 looked great being mid size, but not at $180. The one in your DIY list gave me another option, but still looking for suggestions for ATX.
Check out IcyDock. They have some cool drive solutions that fit into 5.25” case slots.
Totally agree. Synology software is great however virtualization is unusable if you're expecting something snappy due to the underpowered hardware (DS920).
Replacing my DS918+ next week with a new NAS. Whilst i'd obviously like to have better hardware, particularly not have to pay extra for 10GB, have hardware transcoding, more and faster RAM etc, etc, etc. But at the end of the day for me it came down to the Software, the OS reliability and features, and the packages I use on a daily basis. Synology got another sale, and it wasn't a particularly difficult decision when it comes to something that's going to be used for real workflows, storage and backups.
That's what I am running atm, cant decide if I should build a NAS with my old unused Coolermaster Cosmos II or buy another Synology or Qnap/UGreen units....
I don't think that you realize how advanced of an application Surveillance Station is. Not only does it present camera images, but it has masking and motion triggering areas, sound triggering, doors access control integration, point of sale integration, "guard tour", and many other features too numerous to mention. We are a commercial dairy farm and creamery, and paying a $50 license fee per camera is a mere drop in the bucket for a commercial quality surveillance application that you get for free. Most equivalent applications like this cost thousands of dollars. This is not consumer quality software. By the way, you do get two free licenses.
I mean I know it has all those features but if you have something like Reolink or Unifi you get a lot of that same stuff without paying per camera. But if it works for you then cool!
@@RaidOwl I forgot to mention in my previous post that I really enjoyed your detailed comparison. Thanks.
what about RAID options? does the UGREEN have the ability to mix and match drive sizes like the Synology (SHR)? what about expandability?
Ugreen connectivity is awesome, Synology DSM is amazing.
Would love Synology to release nas boxes with 10gbe etc like ugreen
As a TOTAL noob when it comes to NAS, what would you recommend? I am quite good at building PCs and the software with Windows, but I really have no knowledge of Network Attached Storage.
Well, in my case UGREEN NAS wins as I am running TrueNAS Scale on it, so better hardware and upgradability (running easily upgraded 64GB RAM) was the determining factor as I wanted more than just a file server but the apps etc. that is easily available. Seamless installation of Paperless-Ngx was the biggest determining factor.
Great video. What's your take on Synology sending telemetry usage data back to home base? Is this a privacy concern in your eyes? If one was so inclined, would putting something like pihole in between network requests work to sufficiently mitigate this concern; or are privacy minded folks relegated to the UX unpleasantness of TrueNAS? Thanks in advance.
1:24, as a TH-camr, I feel this
17:27 you're completly wrong! MB can handle more than 5 SATA drives, why you want to compare it with 6-bay NAS (with 2 NVMe)?
In my openium is to chose if you want some custom os to install or a good patched close system. Both are good solutuions.
I would love if Synology got into the software business.
It's hard to argue against the Synology for an off the shelf solution, isn't it? I like the way you broke it down... 60, 20, 20. I'm a tinkerer, so I'll keep using castoff and ebay bits to build my servers, but Synology is the direction I steer anyone who has some other reason to consider a NAS.
I bought the 4800plus for $419 via the kickstarter so I'm thrilled with the hardware quality and value for the price. Just ordered 4 18tb drives that'll be here in a few days so I'm spending that time learning how I'm going to set it up and with what software. It's definitely going to be a media server and remote backup solution, not sure what else yet. Fingers crossed it runs a small minecraft server well.
I would get the ugreen one. Just becasue they allow you to use a different os like tru nas. I would like to have that ability to then be forced to stick with manufacture os. I will wait till ugreen matures. i feel they are using the kickstarter to get a feel of the market and what people think.
I know this is copium, but I would LOVE it if Ugreen kicked some Synology ass for some competition
It's unfortunate, I would like to try out one of the UGreens for my first NAS, but they are only available in the US & Germany currently with no timeline to be available in Canada where I am.
It's definitely a weird thing to only be available in one country in both North America and Europe.
You didn't mention what the most important thing for me is on these systems, RAID types. I love SHR on Synology, but I haven't yet tried QNAP, TerraMaster, and now UGREEN which offers something similar outside of standard RAID types.
How about the power usage?
Is the Ugreen beter?
The ugreens are basically using notebook hardware which draws more power. This was one of my points to get a synology… yes the hardware specs are inferior but it fits my needs.
I'm going with uGreen as im only using the NAS for plex, cell phone backups ans that's it. Not everyone is a super geek that buys a NAS.
Software can always be updated so I have a feeling UGREEN is setting it's self up for the future(Futureproof is what they call it). With already predetermined hardware, Synology is hard to upgrade following Software needs hardware.
Occasionally his head lines up with the pliers just right to look like devil's horns 😅
😈😈😈
UGREEN NAS will ahead of competition in few months on software side
Bret, let me assure you I, too, appreciate a solid, well-built chassis but I am very old-fashioned.
I agree that the Synology software, for me, is the only reason I stay. It’s hard to beat. If another company can recreate the software ecosystem….then Synology will be way harder to justify the price tag in their stuff.
New to the world of NAS. Looking to add one to my arsenal as a Video Editor. What device would serve the best purpose for having clients access it to upload their own video clips?
I use Synology for this and it works great
@@RaidOwl Can they upload videos from their iPhone or Android straight into a shared network folder?
In Btrfs you cannot make a snapshot of just any random folder. That folder has to be created as a subvolume first. And if it's that, then it doesn't get included into snapshots of any and all subvolumes above it in the directory tree.
Synology Photos, that's what home users want in a NAS. And they knock it out of the park.
Not easy to upgrade hardware, and will wind up in most cases replacing the entire system which is extra money. Software upgrades to Ugreen are free.
What if I want to go from JBOD to NAS and use my existing harddrives... basically no chance I can use synology right... buy the unit is just the first cost then you have to buy very specific drives.. or am I wrong?
QUESTION: Which NAS would you recommend for 97% backing up photos/videos and 3% documents? So far, I've for (3) 8TB drives (copies of each other) that are maxed out.
Thanks.
QNAP offers the best bang for the buck IMHO.
Wow - the Ioniq guy - nice.
We used qnap at work… switching to Synology simply because software wins… buying extra software to do backups, etc., means qnap in the long run cost much more… is ugreen any better? Maybe not yet…
For me the out of box lack of anything not 1 GbE is a deal breaker for me in 2024. I have a truly ancient DS-1813+ still in service, but with just about everything in my house at 2.5 or 10 GbE, a Synology won't be it's replacement (which will be happening soon). It is a shame because I have been happy with Synology over the years.
Honestly I just want something I can run TrueNAS Scale on. For that reason the UGreen wins.
How does the OEM software handel data integrity in raid?
I know Truenas can compare files and serve only the good one, fixing the bad one, but can either do the same out of the box?
I ask, because a NAS is not in itself backup, and if the NAS can't tell the raid data is corrupted....
Would love to see Omada vs. Unifi showdown....because for the average home lab user or the average plug and play user these two are very far apart.
Colton vs Wolfgang!!!
With all of its bells and whistles, Synology is a slower NAS. I have both (Synology and Ugreen), and Ugreen always outperforms Synology regarding raw performance, which I initially wanted.
Ugreen software sucks
I'm excited to see when Ugreen's OS matures and becomes more well-rounded. Synology needs more competition to keep them on their toes
I purchased the UGreen NAS for the hardware.
Synology bit gray area with ram (when it has 2 slots) generally most models that are using ddr4 they will work perfectly fine with 2x32gb (if it's ddr3 models most of the time 2x32gb but some will only work with 2x8gb
assuming it has a 2 physical slots, very annoying when Synology installs stupid low 2gb onto the motherboard leaving you with 2gb non replaceable + 16gb or 32gb module
You mentioned that the Ugreen had the ability to run other OS's. I wonder if it could run Xpenlogy?
Yea I agree. UGREEN is promising for sure, but until they can more closely compete with Synology on the software side, I'm unlikely to give them a serious look. For me, I'm not going to buy an off the shelf NAS and put TrueNAS on it. You buy something like that mostly for the software. Thanks for the cool video!
Synology is going to, maybe, get some needed competition. The consumer will be the winner. Capitalism does have some nice benefits. Your presentation is well done and appreciated.
What’s the video surveillance software you use? Nxwitness? Or something else?
Reolink
So this video struck me in a funny way.
"This Synology just has too much software that I might not use."
"But this TrueGreen is lacking important software that I find to be essential, but it has really awesome hardware. So I have this really awesome hardware that would be great if only it had the software I needed to make it awesome."
OK, I'm not right in the head. But that's how I was hearing this.
Before computers, people used to pour over spec sheets for stereo amplifiers. Is it class A? What is the distortion? This one has lower distortion. If you have really, really thick cables you'll lose less power going to your speakers (it actually makes no difference). Blah, blah, blah.
And it was amazing when people would spend thousands upon thousands on audio equipment only to have someone with reliable mass market equipment have a stereo that sounded just awesome.
We have now moved on to NAS specs. And it is the same damn thing. "Specs" don't always get you something better. They may not even get you what you want. Over-reliance on specs has resulted in so much disappointment over the years.
I am missing ECC Ram. Would like to build a TrueNas Box out of the ugreen, but not without the ECC ram…
I want a NVMe-only option from Synology, hopefully at a better price than UGREEN's.
And pigs fly
My conclusion as unhappy Qnap owner is Synalogy needs to up it's hardware specs across the board and U-Green needs to lower prices, especially on high end models. $1500 on the 8-bay model, jumping up by $500 from the 6-bay is ridiculous. and you like Truenas, just go and by TrueNAS Mini and while it's not cheap, you'd be supporting the developers directly and getting guaranteed best possible hardware config for running Truenas.
The winner is the vendor that does not lock down the hard drive choices through a scam certification, forcing you to buy from them... Synology sux. Does UGreen?
from thumbnail I mistook u for Eli the computer guy, orange t shirt and no hair plus beard …
really july 1st its selling retail?? but is ugreen ready for primetime??
I don't understand why people spend this money on these machines. Where is that money going? You are better of buying any consumer hardware and installing truenas, unraid, casa OS, nextcloud or OMV. You get more cores, ram, your IO and OS of choice
I spent the money 10 years ago (and a 2nd unit 5 years ago) since my networking knowledge was nil. I was on a learning curve to set up the Synology. Now, I am ready to build/tinker with a 3rd unit. These units have functioned flawlessly for my simple uses for many years, so I don't regret buying Synology. However, the lack of attention to the home user/prosumer market and my gained experience is causing me to look elsewhere.
Thks buts;
???How do I integrate my DS724+ with the rest of my computers (ex: heavy processing, extra storage, etc, etc)???
I am stuck between both brands, I would like to have either 6 or 8 bays. Maybe you can help. I will be primarily using it to store (~ 70+ tb) of music..... .mp3s & .mp4s (1080 p).
Which one would you suggest after maxing out specs (10Gb port, Ram 64 gb, Ironwolf HHD 20 or 22 tb).
Just get the 8-bay and future proof yourself. Get recertified 22TB Iron Wolf Pros or Exos from Server Part Deals for a great price and warranty and run badblocks using bht on a Linux machine to burn them in and check for errors. This will take a couple of days especially for big drives but after passing it, the hard drives should be good for production use. Good luck! 👍
@@xellaz thats what I was thinking about doing, getting the 8 bay one. However the 1821+ seems to be a bit outdated and I'm worried that it may longer recieve the future updates.
And for the HHDs I was thinking about buying the Ironwolf Pro renewed drives from Amazon.
I am currently not sure if I should build my own nas or buy a Ugreen 6 bay nas.
On one hand, it will be slightly cheaper and I will get a better CPU and more memory if I DIY it.
On the other hand, there is basically no way that you will find a Nas case that is even half as decent as the enclosures of these of the shelf solutions. Metal, good looking, hot-swap bays.
I also don't think that there is a itx mainboard that has 10Gbit/s without using an external network card, which is quite bad honestly. If you want to diy your nas, you also likely want to have the freedom to put a GPU for encoding in it, which you will lack again if you need to have a network card. M2 network cards are an option, but good luck bodging that inside your case.
You could use an mATX mainboard, but that will again drastically increase power draw and you will need a significantly larger case.
I've been pleased so far with my Jansbo N3 I'm building in. I don't have 10GB Ethernet but I have an HBA with plans of running 8 separate HDDs. It'll have an i5-12500T so I'll encode with the onboard graphics all while at a low power draw.
What on earth did you mean by “it doesn’t tickle my pickle”😦 8:13
The Kickstarter gave me the opportunity to get the 4800 plus for 400 USD. Putting it into perspective on the chart, value is too fucking good even with bad software - especially a x86 box like this as Linux is only a USB install away
Someone needs to make some decent matx / itx cases with sata backplanes and sleds at a reasonable price. I'd wager this is the reason most don't DIY their own NAS
NasCompares just showed a Jonbos N5 box with room for 12 drives all plugged into backplanes for data and power, has room for MULTI board sizes and also 8 PCI slot cutouts in the back of the box. I am getting one as soon as it is available in the US.
@@GrandizerGo Thats a nice case if the price is right and looking at what the N4 and N3 are going for on AliExpress I think it will be 👍
The lay out of the drives is strange, I'd have went either kept them all horizontal in a 4x3 arrangement or all vertical in 12x1 but still a nice case that doesn't cost almost as much as a prebuilt for a change
I initially pledged for the UGreen 8 bay with the intent of putting TrueNAS Scale on it, but I ended up canceling as I decide for ZFS I wanted ECC support. There's no real winning here, as for ECC support they basically have two choices:
1. Intel's W680 chipset, which would add $300-400 to the price, probably, but still gives QuickSync support
2. Go with AMD and lose QuickSync support
I've got a Minisforum MS-01 and a DS918+ for QuickSync, so honestly I'd rather they have gone AMD. I'd likely have kept that pledge if it had ECC support. It's a shame, because during the Kickstarter, you could get the 8 bay for less than the 6 bay costs now.
Totally off topic but where did you get that power button cover on your rackmount surge protector i have the same one.
Amazon
Software can improve, you're stuck with the hardware. UGreen for the win.
UGreen NAS sells hardware (with free software)
Synology sells software (with free hardware) 😌
UGreen hardware is excellent, software need more time for improvement
Synology has outstanding software, but ancient time hardware
i just buy a motherboard from aliexpress yesterday to build my own nas, buying a nas is to expensive, at least gonna making fun to build it
Are you going to keep the stock software or are you going to change it for your personal use?
Prob keep it to see how it evolves
@@RaidOwl Yeah I think as a means of informing the community, that would be the best course to take, we need to know their software progress in like 6 months, a year, 2 years, as you say see how it evolves.
Synology has compute power equivalent to a Raspberry Pi with Beverly Hills prices
I think that’s a bit dramatic
Only the best cube is the best NAS
Man he’s quick!