had a das configured in RAID - striped across all disks - lost two disks before I could replace the initial failed drive and LOST THE ENTIRE ARRAY !! I now use JBOD WITH NIGHTLY MIRRORING ACROSS THREE DRIVES ARRAYS AND BACKBLAZE FOR ALL DRIVES.
Should have used better HDDs! I've been running 4 enterprise grade HDDs in RAID 5 for over 10 years before I had 1 HDD fail. I have 2 drives sitting, ready to replace failed drives since the other drives will fail sooner or later. I'm also looking to build out a new NAS or DAS using RAID 6 for extra redundancy. If your setup works, fantastic! I still prefer RAID.
Even if you don't go the NAS route (which is not for everyone, especially those who shoot for fun/hobby/pleasure) at least get two hard drives for backups (and keep one off-site somewhere, and the other one can be on-site or offsite). But you want at least one copy off site and ideally ,two backups of some sort. (The 3-2-1 plan is best but at least a backup offsite is a start to no backup at all). I mean you can get 4TB external HDDs for $100. It's a small "investment" in protecting your priceless photos.
I have lost data in the past even when using a NAS, the main issue i have with these raid solutions is the file format, trying to recover from a hardware failure such as the NAS box dieing, if you have large amounts of data cloud services are great until you need to get that data back, very slow process unless they can send you a disk of your data. I opt for a simple solution now, i have an old pc that i have 3 drives installed, 1 is the OS drive, 2nd drive is my data drive, 3rd is the backup drive, each night windows runs a batch file that transfers data from data drive to backup drive, yes i have no versioning, maybe i could solve this with soft software, i could run an online service also, or maybe an additional drive that i disconnect from the system and store elsewhere. For me this mirror back up works well, if a drive fails i simply replace it, no configuring software or issues with a raid array.
Thank you for this video. This storage is what I am looking at now, trying to figure how to go about it and what may be the best option for me. This video and all the information it provides is quite helpful. Again, thank you.
Please, please stop believing that raid allows you to replace a drive and it will magically rebuild with no data loss. I theory it should work that way, but in reality it rarely does. Most drive failures is due to age and the process of rebuilding a new drive puts so much stress on the remaining drives that some of them very commonly fails too, leaving you stranded.
So, what is the solution? Checking for drive health constantly? Drives can fail out of nowhere, even though the drive health technically shows no issues.
So in theory, could you Just preemptively, replace, like two of your hard drives with newer hard drives like a year into having it or something and then even if everything hits the fan, you have two solid hard drives to fall back on that or less old than the others
@@maddogtank8425facts i used to think backups was just silly cause I never had a drive die For the first time this year I started losing files for no reason, I no longer think backups is a waste
@@cmoneytheman Yup Me personally, the way that I go about it is because I don't run a Nas Currently, it's simple. All of my ssds are getting replaced every 4 years. I understand that you can keep them for longer. And that they should keep working for longer, but seeing what ssd companies or having happened to some of their older drives right now, I don't think I'm going to trust that So I have backups to backups to backups plus online backups, because the worst possible thing is, i'm in the middle of a project client calls me up.Asks me for a specific file.I go to retrieve, said specific file.And it's magically gone off into the ether
Here's the problem with these boxes, what if the box fails? if i use raid 1 and just do a mirror can I take a drive, plug it directly into my computer and get the files? I don't think I can. are there any options that actually allow for that? I just want redundancy, and part of that is not relying on ONE box, and i shouldn't have to get more than 1 box just to make that happen...
What the best solution for lots of movies and TV shows. I both download from Apple and rip some. I have had them all on externals but I do kind of keep running out of room, I now have a 16 TB external from a 5 TB external, not sure if I really need anything more. My last one started to fail after 10 years so I had to re rip everything.
Can you upgrade the internal drives to larger capacity drives (ie buying the 48tb g-raid shuttle 8 and swapping 1 or more drives for 12tb or bigger drives)?
We have four 18 TB HDD in desktop PC that we mirror copy. Offers 36 TB of true storage and 36 TB backup for about $1000. Have another copy in safe just incase. Haven't found a less expensive option for 100+ TB. So you know Backblaze can't offer unlimited FREE cloud storage unless selling your data.
The enclosures in this video are USB-C and thunderbolt. We compare DAS to NAS in our follow up video on NAS solutions that's coming shortly. DAS is generally faster because it's directly attached to the computer whereas NAS is connected to the local network. - Matt
I was recently told that the 4TB Sandisk drive I bought for backing up is a BAD choice because SSD drives need to be powered on a regular basis to work. If you disconnect them and store them unpowered, they will fail. Can you please comment on this?
According to my own studies, data is stored in the chip in some sort of electron form. Hence, if you're storing your data in Ur SSD (assuming you're placing your SSD in a hot room) without powering it on for a long time, the electron may somehow become unstable and that's when your data is going.
Backing up "to the cloud" is not a reasonable option for some. Cloud storage at present is prohibitive for 100TBs of data. Not only would it take months to upload, but the storage cost is astronomical. By 2030, that might be a viable option, but not 2023.
Any of the enclosures mentioned in this video are capable of JBOD so it really depends on how many drives you need and storage requirements. Here are some more JBOD capable enclosures: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?q=hard%20drive%20enclosures&filters=fct_category%3Ahard_drive_enclosures_8413%2Cfct_raid_1233%3Ajbod
Using RAID for parity isn't going to directly affect coding work other than as a matter of redundancy, which can be helpful should you wish to ensure that your files have backups.
had a das configured in RAID - striped across all disks - lost two disks before I could replace the initial failed drive and LOST THE ENTIRE ARRAY !! I now use JBOD WITH NIGHTLY MIRRORING ACROSS THREE DRIVES ARRAYS AND BACKBLAZE FOR ALL DRIVES.
What RAID configuration were you using before? I'm also wondering what software you use for nightly mirroring.
Should have used better HDDs!
I've been running 4 enterprise grade HDDs in RAID 5 for over 10 years before I had 1 HDD fail. I have 2 drives sitting, ready to replace failed drives since the other drives will fail sooner or later.
I'm also looking to build out a new NAS or DAS using RAID 6 for extra redundancy. If your setup works, fantastic!
I still prefer RAID.
Even if you don't go the NAS route (which is not for everyone, especially those who shoot for fun/hobby/pleasure) at least get two hard drives for backups (and keep one off-site somewhere, and the other one can be on-site or offsite). But you want at least one copy off site and ideally ,two backups of some sort. (The 3-2-1 plan is best but at least a backup offsite is a start to no backup at all). I mean you can get 4TB external HDDs for $100. It's a small "investment" in protecting your priceless photos.
I have lost data in the past even when using a NAS, the main issue i have with these raid solutions is the file format, trying to recover from a hardware failure such as the NAS box dieing, if you have large amounts of data cloud services are great until you need to get that data back, very slow process unless they can send you a disk of your data.
I opt for a simple solution now, i have an old pc that i have 3 drives installed, 1 is the OS drive, 2nd drive is my data drive, 3rd is the backup drive, each night windows runs a batch file that transfers data from data drive to backup drive, yes i have no versioning, maybe i could solve this with soft software, i could run an online service also, or maybe an additional drive that i disconnect from the system and store elsewhere.
For me this mirror back up works well, if a drive fails i simply replace it, no configuring software or issues with a raid array.
Thank you for this video. This storage is what I am looking at now, trying to figure how to go about it and what may be the best option for me. This video and all the information it provides is quite helpful. Again, thank you.
Please, please stop believing that raid allows you to replace a drive and it will magically rebuild with no data loss. I theory it should work that way, but in reality it rarely does. Most drive failures is due to age and the process of rebuilding a new drive puts so much stress on the remaining drives that some of them very commonly fails too, leaving you stranded.
So, what is the solution? Checking for drive health constantly? Drives can fail out of nowhere, even though the drive health technically shows no issues.
So in theory, could you Just preemptively, replace, like two of your hard drives with newer hard drives like a year into having it or something and then even if everything hits the fan, you have two solid hard drives to fall back on that or less old than the others
It worked well for me when I lost 1 of my 3 drives in my Mac Pro. Popped the new drive in and it rebuilt itself.
@@maddogtank8425facts i used to think backups was just silly cause I never had a drive die
For the first time this year I started losing files for no reason, I no longer think backups is a waste
@@cmoneytheman Yup Me personally, the way that I go about it is because I don't run a Nas Currently, it's simple. All of my ssds are getting replaced every 4 years. I understand that you can keep them for longer. And that they should keep working for longer, but seeing what ssd companies or having happened to some of their older drives right now, I don't think I'm going to trust that So I have backups to backups to backups plus online backups, because the worst possible thing is, i'm in the middle of a project client calls me up.Asks me for a specific file.I go to retrieve, said specific file.And it's magically gone off into the ether
Here's the problem with these boxes, what if the box fails? if i use raid 1 and just do a mirror can I take a drive, plug it directly into my computer and get the files? I don't think I can. are there any options that actually allow for that? I just want redundancy, and part of that is not relying on ONE box, and i shouldn't have to get more than 1 box just to make that happen...
I'm so in love with Backblaze. I have backed up 20TB for only $7/mo. The backup runs automatically in the background
it's 6$ per 1TB
I use a 16TB external x 2 for time machines AND BACKBLAZE!
What the best solution for lots of movies and TV shows. I both download from Apple and rip some. I have had them all on externals but I do kind of keep running out of room, I now have a 16 TB external from a 5 TB external, not sure if I really need anything more. My last one started to fail after 10 years so I had to re rip everything.
Can you upgrade the internal drives to larger capacity drives (ie buying the 48tb g-raid shuttle 8 and swapping 1 or more drives for 12tb or bigger drives)?
Awesome & Thanks :)
We have four 18 TB HDD in desktop PC that we mirror copy. Offers 36 TB of true storage and 36 TB backup for about $1000. Have another copy in safe just incase. Haven't found a less expensive option for 100+ TB. So you know Backblaze can't offer unlimited FREE cloud storage unless selling your data.
Do you use the desktop just for storage of the drive or for all other tasks?
All over my head.
So how do these actually connect to the computer? USB? Thunderbolt? Usb-c? Speed/advantages/disadvantages vs NAS?
The enclosures in this video are USB-C and thunderbolt. We compare DAS to NAS in our follow up video on NAS solutions that's coming shortly. DAS is generally faster because it's directly attached to the computer whereas NAS is connected to the local network. - Matt
@@BandH Thank you! Follow up video makes perfect sense.
I got a new qnap 8 drive nas from BH. I love it. If you have years and years of work it is a good way to go
I don't get all this! Wish someone could help me set up some sort of backup that is easy to understand.
Woah woah woah! What monitor is that at 1:48!?
Awesome, thank you sir :)
I was recently told that the 4TB Sandisk drive I bought for backing up is a BAD choice because SSD drives need to be powered on a regular basis to work. If you disconnect them and store them unpowered, they will fail. Can you please comment on this?
According to my own studies, data is stored in the chip in some sort of electron form. Hence, if you're storing your data in Ur SSD (assuming you're placing your SSD in a hot room) without powering it on for a long time, the electron may somehow become unstable and that's when your data is going.
So this is DAS, and not NAS? Seems similar though. Sorry, beginner here. Thank you!
Backing up "to the cloud" is not a reasonable option for some. Cloud storage at present is prohibitive for 100TBs of data. Not only would it take months to upload, but the storage cost is astronomical. By 2030, that might be a viable option, but not 2023.
Going with Backblaze’s “Unlimited plan” would work. And then have a fast fiber internet connection.
Is there an enclosure you recommend for JBOD?
Any of the enclosures mentioned in this video are capable of JBOD so it really depends on how many drives you need and storage requirements. Here are some more JBOD capable enclosures: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?q=hard%20drive%20enclosures&filters=fct_category%3Ahard_drive_enclosures_8413%2Cfct_raid_1233%3Ajbod
@@BandH Thank you
I have a rookie question, is the RAID version that provides a parity function helpful if one is learning to code or working as a programmer?
Using RAID for parity isn't going to directly affect coding work other than as a matter of redundancy, which can be helpful should you wish to ensure that your files have backups.
@@BandH 👍thanks
I only mirror.
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A NAS is not a backup dummy.