Shot my first deer ever this past year with a fixed blade. Less than 10 yd shot and the animal didn't run more than 20 yds before it died. No tracking needed lol. I've made a lot of mistakes especially on that hunt and I am by no means an expert. My expertise was in the fine dining. I apprenticed under a chef for 2 years. I then worked as a chef for over a decade. I had plenty experience cutting meat with sharp knives and dull knives. I'll take a properly placed sharp blade over a weak steel dull blade in the wrong place any day. The type of Steel your blade is made out of matters. It dictates how long that blade will hold an edge and how hard or easy it is to maintain that edge. Do expandable companies even disclose the steel their blades are made out of? Kool-Aid? Hardly. Difference in opinions? Sure.
@chilloutdude3617 I've shot deer with fixed blade and also mechanics..Probably hundreds..I've had them drop on the spot and also run 100 yds with the exact same spot..Every deer have a different result..If you hit your mark the deer will die every time.If you miss your mark a big cut mechanical is your best freind..
@@HUNTRPOD for sure, but that’s because most people don’t want to take the time and tune their bow/ arrows properly. Your average joe, pulls their bow out a week before the season. Goes to the store buys a pack of rage broad heads & thinks they’re good to go.
One of the first deer I ever shot with a mechanical it went in about 8 inches and I never found that doe. So I switched for fixed, all the deer I’ve shot with fixed I’ve recovered about 90% without any help.
The fixed vs. expandables argument can be boiled down to a few simple questions: what are you shooting it out of, what are you shooting it at, and how far does it need to travel? I'm not gonna shoot an expandable out of my 45# longbow at a feral hog but I do out of my 70# compound at a whitetail. Just like bullets, the projectile has to match the specific job its expected to perform.
I’ve shot expandable for 10+ years. I shoot the rages with the shock collars and never had any blades not deployed. Over 15 + deers harvested. I only hunt with my bow and never once had to use fixed broad heads.
@@C_H_U_ Was everyone a complete pass through? Are you sure they deployed 100%? Did a bone deflect the arrow or damage the broad head? Then there was failures then hindered your chance of retrieving that deer. Plan failed successfully.
@@C_H_U_ The main take away is the mechanical broadheads will fail eventually. They use low quality metal and cheap springs/collars/plastic. You can also have the mechanical broadhead fail, yet still get the deer.
Not to mention, earlier man used knapped-stone broadheads. Become proficient with your equipment, and take the highest % shot possible. And, don't blame your equipment for poor shooting.
It's a short conversation for him for two reasons. 1. There wasn't enough thought behind what he was about to say. 2. He is about to start selling his own mechanical. A well tuned bow/setup that you are 100% confident in and taking shots within your abilities is what matters most. Broadhead choice is all your own at that point and your experiences will guide you from there. Also, one thing that fixed blades will always have over mechanicals. With a well tuned bow, a fixed blade can work for any hunter, at any skill level, with any setup. You can't say the same for a mechanical.
Lost some deer due to lack of penetration on mechanicals, went to a cut on contact fixed blade (that I sharpen) and a 450g arrow and have had awesome penetration. Had a quartering away shot last year hit by the last rib and exited the front of the chest cavity. No blades broke off, blades were able to be resharpened and used to take a doe late season. Two holes will leave more blood than one, my mechanicals now go for turkey hunting.
For sure a good arrow build! I don’t think anyone is doubting the kill ability, but the accuracy or amount of tuning necessary is shocking to most people in order for that to shoot like your practice points did
I was surprised on the accuracy of the fixed blades. For years I thought they’d fly terrible and then I started making sure my bow was tuned, plus learned I was over gripping the bow. Changed those two factors and they fly great.
Went to 520 grain arrows and Buzz cut broadheads and will shoot a deer head on as long as he is 20 yards or closer where I can pin point my shot it has been deadly
@@HUNTRPODso your saying be lazy and dont tune your bow to your broadheads? Thats not good advice. Lol people should be practicing as much as possible. If your out there practicing than you should be able to tune your bow to your fixed blades pretty quickly. It's not rocket science, bro.
I am a certified licensed tracker with my dog and yes you are 100% correct we do find more deer that was shot qith a expandable broadhead. But heres the thing we also track alot more deer that was shot with expandable heads then fixed blades. Alot of the time during the initial hunter interview i am told nearly the same thing over and over. It wasnt the perfect shot but he was huge. People take more marginal shots with mechanical then they do with fixed heads why? Because they think the broadhead works miracles and no matter where they hit it the deer will die.
Trackers will tell you that getting a pass thru exponentially increases chance of recovery. And penetration is the goal on less than perfect shots. Ashbys 12 factors of penetration are gold .
@@Rbunton1987 appreciate your comment. What’s your authority on this topic? I’m assuming you’ve done something similar to Ashby and dedicated your life to this topic? Where can we check out your research and results ?
@@Rbunton1987 do you know the 12 penetration factors? Or are you just regurgitating something you heard on TH-cam? One of them is arrow flight. So it’s ok for arrows to be flying sideways? I think you meant to say modern. You do realize his tests included compound bows too not just trad, right? I’m wondering you’ve actually read his work. Let’s get educated and informed first.
@@paulwakefield1015 I am familiar with them. I would hope proper arrow flight would be a step in anyone’s process. My authority comes from shooting deer and hogs with middle weight arrows and mechanicals. Mr Ashby did a great job on building arrows for dangerous game. Deer are thin skinned and small and trajectory matters. What testing have you done? Sounds like you could be blindly following TH-cam knowledge.
@@Rbunton1987 arrow flight is one of the 12 factors of arrow and broadhead penetration. We aren’t following either of our research on the topic. Sure you and I have 20-30 years of hunting experience , but that’s just anecdotal. Luckily we have someone like Ed Ashby who has dedicated his life to researching the topic. Your comments are like if you knew you needed brain surgery but said “screw the brain doctor. I’d rather my family doctor take a look.” Let’s trust people who have authority and expertise on the issue. And that’s not just limited to arrow and broadhead flight but in all walks of life
Most trackers will tell you two holes are better than one. Deer can be lost with either head but you’re always going to have better penetration with fixed. Also you don’t have to worry about a fixed head failing to open or falling apart because it hit something less than ideal.
Spoken like a true whitetail hunter. Elk, moose, mule deer, caribou, etc are better off shot with fixed blades. I know he's killed all kinds of things, but not near to the level of born and raised western hunters. Fixed blades are better if you hit too far forward. Expandables are better if it's too far back. Ribs will ruin your day with Expandables. I've shot both a lot and killed a lot with both. I only shoot fixed blades now.
I bought a few of those and the G3 broadheads with the BMP target points to try out. I've always used Zwickey broadheads and gone heavy but I liked the design and the additional blade so I figured I'd give them a shot, pun fully intended.
Shoot a fixed blade and a mechanical into a shoulder blade of a whitetail and see which has better penetration. And before anyone says other wise not everyone is a Robin Hood. If you bow hunt long enough you’ll hit that shoulder sometime or another and if it’s with a mechanical broad head you’ll be wishing you shot a fixed blade
This is wrong. Coming from a guy with a blood dog the highest percentage of deer we finding are ones with a complete pass through. Mechanicals lack in that area.
@@HUNTRPOD yea it wouldn't have anything to do with people thinking they can shoot a deer anywhere behind the shoulder and kill it because they are shooting a 2 inch cutting broadhead.
“At the end of the day, we don’t put broad-heads on the end of our arrows for the perfect shot.” The dude fixed this issue and created the best mechanical field point accuracy broadhead on the market, freaking amazing dude!
Watch any hunting video that has a hit with a mechanical and the arrow is sticking more than halfway out of the deer. Ive never not had a pass through with my apparently peasant "small fixed blade". And none of my shots required any tracking at all, deer were clearly visible from where i shot them. Tooth of the arrow S series 1" 100 grain.
I get the blood loss and maybe an expandable is better than a standard fixed blade but a large 2 blade cut on contact far exceeds both imo, especially a single bevel. They will still kill on a forward shot where an expandable will not penetrate. Plus they open up the options on shot placement. Shoot the deer in the right spot with a large 2 blade and it will drop just as fast as with an expandable or faster with better penetration.
I am a tracker and I track deer shot with everything from bows to rifles and what I find is that we'll hit deer shot with either fixed blade or mechanical are found with no problem. The area and terrain pose more problems than what the deer was shot with. Main reason for losing the animal is bad shot placement
Gonna have to disagree with the animal bleeding more with expandable broadheads..I've shot deer with both in the same spots and I've had a 3 blade muzzy make a deer just dump buckets of blood versus a 2 blade rage barely getting any blood, all bout personal preference...give me a fixed blade muzzy or ramcat any day
Madness. I haven’t lost a deer since I switched to fixed and have never not had a pass thru. I shoot 70lbs and have had mechanicals stop after 8” of penetration. Next time you come over Jared bring some of those hot trash rages and we will run em thru the gauntlet. I got 100$ that says I have 5 different fixed heads that will out perform any mechanical.
@kanyewest1365 they absolutly do that if you hit a rib or the scapula and they fully stop on the humerus especially cause you generally have a very light arrow when using expandables
so if the expandable broadhead fails to open fully or backs out and closes like a schwacker or jak hammers will how is that better than a 2 blade like a magnus, kuduu, SIK, iron will or grizzly stik that will cut on contact and continue to cut until i falls out especially with bleeders
I tried the expandable game years ago. I’ve seen too many things go wrong. I have personally witnessed arrows make a 90° turn and never make it in to the vital cavity on quartering shots. These only seem to work consistently broadside hits. I have absolutely zero issues with fixed broadheads. Most people shoot an expandable because their bows are not tuned correctly and cannot get a fixed Broadhead’s to fly like a field point.
And this conversation is why hybrids are slowly becoming more popular! Why not have the best of both world? Two blades that never move and ensure penetration, and two blades that are supposed to pop out way wider on impact but would struggle to make it through bone on their own
I have been bow hunting long enough to remember when the punchcutter came out. First mechanical broad head that my family ever heard of.yiu could buy one just to try it. It came in a plastic tube. Those were the days when the NAP razorback 5 was king! FYI that punchcutter wasn't worth the package it came in but mechanicals have come a long way. I have taken deer with both and prefer the fixed blade cut on contact. But it really all come down to shot placement.
Un-popular opinion. Bowmar is like 6’3” dude with a long draw length pulling well over 70 lbs draw weight. Of course he can get away with using most any expandable. Expandables are for people who have the KE out their bow, and either don’t know how or are too lazy to broadhead tune their bow. Fixed blades will always have greater penetration. It’s shot placement and pass throughs that kill. Fixed blades are less likely to deflect on impact than a large diameter expandable.
A dog tracker will tell you most of the deer they don’t find are shot by an expandable. The run for error with an expandable is not good and fixed leave small holes with less blood. Hence the reason no one can agree
Switched to fixed blades two years ago and notice my deer run atleast half the distance... and I think the reason is, because they don't even know they're hit so they're trotting for let's say "5 seconds" instead of running full speed for "5 seconds" I think they feel the mechanicals hit them way more and run way faster... even if it takes the same amount of time for them to Expire...
I think if you have a high powered setup (70-80lbs and or long DL) expandables are the way to go. Especially the better stuff like sevrs. If you have a very short DL or shoot under 65 lbs then a high quality, well sharpened fixed blade may suit you better. It's more important imo to have a well tuned bow and a high quality BH with very sharp blades.
It really comes down to shot placement and draw weight in my opinion, lighter draw fix blade. Heavier deaw mechanical. The biggest problem or issue is always shot placement, correct shot placement and it’s over, that’s all their is to it.
I've lost 2 deer in my life with a bow. Both were hit in the shoulder blade. Ill own i was too close the leg. One was with a 3 blade chisel tip Rage, a doe. The other was last fall with a NAP Killzone, biggest buck I've seen while on stand. Got pictures of him a week later doing just fine. Both right at 30 yards, neither got any penatration. I just feel that had i been shooting my normal Montec or Muzzy both of them would have been on the ground.
I’m 73 ; started bow hunting at 9. I’ve gotten multiple bear, elk , moose , caribou and. so many deer with fixed blades . Most with my 53 lb draw recurve . No sights no wheeelz no triggers. I do wear gloves. Should have 4 or 5 more years to hunt
I guided in Montana and Wyoming for 10+ years. We lost waaaay more deer from expandable broadheads. Main reason was the lack of an exit hole (we would occasionally find deer a week or so later on another hunt). Seeing is believing. Expandable are great for turkeys!
United blood tracker info says differently. 5% points higher in recovery rate with fixed blades. A lot higher % rate with pass throughs for fixed. This was 2020.
Actually they say the broadhead that makes an entrance and exit hole has the highest success rate in tracking dog recovery. And fixed blades have better pass through rates. I shoot expandsbles tho
Mechanical broadheads should be outlawed. They canilbalise part of the kinetic energy to flail the blades open when they make contact thus reducing penetration.
I have had some good success with a mid 400s grain arrow and a fixed blade. I feel if I have a less than ideal shot it will give me the best chance for success. I do recognize that fixed can be more difficult to get to fly good. I do wonder if the average guy would be better taking a mechanical since they fly closer to field points
More people shoot mechanicals than fixed so naturally you’re going to recover more deer shot with mechanicals. He threw out a statistic without truly prefacing all the info. So it’s misleading. Fixed all the way.
Actually they have found through research (I also recommend watching Shane Simpson and his dog callie) that pass through are huge for recovery. Not only that but the damage a lot of mechanicals experience in the animal leads to longer tracks and animals dying slowly. Idk what research he's been doing but the trackers association has tons of info.
If mechanicals are the best why did he use a fixed blade for cape buffalo..... penetration that's why. Mechanicals are 95% thin steel only a couple of them are actually decent I had a shwacker bounce out of a deer at 25 yards. Also had a rage completely rip one blade off just from hitting a rib. It sucks when sponsorships dictate what a professional hunter has to say when discussing these important topics
We’ve shot them all. I grew up shoot muzzy it’s all I knew, I really liked Ramcat (RIP Brett Fulton), and I’ve killed a ton of deer with Rage. I would never sacrifice ethical kills for dollars. Frankly if Schwacker offered us money I couldn’t do it. I don’t believe in their design. Rage may not be flawless by any means but with my setup on Whitetails or Muleys the Trypan 100 is deadly. But we are always open to new and better options
I think it depends on set up. Expandables need a certain amount of kenetic energy to deploy and penetrate properly. If your set up has it then go for it. If its a youth or slower less energy set up then id go fixed blade just to make sure we get penetration. Also i will throw traditional archery in the mix. Mechanicals are a huge no no there for the same reasons.
Which ones break more, which ones fail to open, which ones deflect more often, which ones penetrate more. I mean, you do you, but I'll stick to my fixed blades.
correct. if u hit it perfect then a field point will kill it. If you want to shoot brisket shots or hard quartering to then use fixed bc of all that thick bone. BUT if ur patient and wait for the right shot an expandable like my Grim Reapers are going to paint the woods red!
I think it’s equal risk when ya get a bad hit. The expandable will make a bigger cut and better chance of veins on bad body shot, meaning too far back to high etc only going through ribs. sure prob better blood too. My choice for fixed is the muzzy with the chisel because if it’s a bone hit there’s a better chance to penetrate and get through. it’s easy to hit the shoulder blades and sockets and big bones shooting at the shoulder. I’ve used both. In a spine shot the fixed is going to have a better chance of a break. Any sharp head will kill a deer in the boiler room.
I have had cheap fixed blades fail as well as high dollar expandables... we have had 3 instances here on our property where expandable didn't open or only one blade expanded...... a 4 inch channel wound replaces practice and waiting for a good shot for alot of hunters
I've hit deer with expandables and the expandable fail. Never had a fixed blade fail. Only reason to use an expandable is if you can't get a fixed blade to tune properly
I shoot both but Shane Simpson tracks deer with a dog & he says just the opposite of Bomar on which they find the most of. He does give credit to Sevr as being the best if you’re going expandable
I've been testing both mostly use fix but who wants to broadhead tune and sight it all in to get them to fly straight when I can buy some rages or swackers that haven't failed make a massive whole with lots of blood and there deadly accurate idk tho for my 52 pounds
I use what works best for me. Im not taking 50 yard shots and im not even shooting 70 pounds. Ill take the fix blade with my 65# bow and 20 yard shots or less.
I ALWAYS tell this to people. The last part of hunting is recovery and mechanicals always make an easier recovery. I’ve only had one mechanical not pass through but the size of the cut put that deer down less than 200 yards. I’ve never lost a deer on mechanicals but I have lost deer on fixed blades multiple times.
Used muzzy 100gr fixed broadhead a for over 25 years have shot a buck all but maybe 3 of those and numerous does. Only ever lost two and both were because of arrow deflections. I never shoot more than 30 yards. Never had a reason to. Expanding broadheads sucked when they first came out that’s why I stick with fixed blades. Obviously technology is way better but if it isn’t broke why fix it
Its hilarious that the point hes making about how expandables give you a better chance to kill deer with a bad shot is completely backwards cause they are only around a 1/4" bigger usually and they will stop/fail/break when they hit a bone so unless hes hunting shit with no bones fixed blades mean it will work much better for different shot angles and placements
The reason trackers find more deer shot with the expandable is because the guys with fixed blades don’t need dogs
lmao..Keep drinking the koolaid my freind
Shot my first deer ever this past year with a fixed blade. Less than 10 yd shot and the animal didn't run more than 20 yds before it died. No tracking needed lol. I've made a lot of mistakes especially on that hunt and I am by no means an expert. My expertise was in the fine dining. I apprenticed under a chef for 2 years. I then worked as a chef for over a decade. I had plenty experience cutting meat with sharp knives and dull knives. I'll take a properly placed sharp blade over a weak steel dull blade in the wrong place any day. The type of Steel your blade is made out of matters. It dictates how long that blade will hold an edge and how hard or easy it is to maintain that edge. Do expandable companies even disclose the steel their blades are made out of? Kool-Aid? Hardly. Difference in opinions? Sure.
@chilloutdude3617 I've shot deer with fixed blade and also mechanics..Probably hundreds..I've had them drop on the spot and also run 100 yds with the exact same spot..Every deer have a different result..If you hit your mark the deer will die every time.If you miss your mark a big cut mechanical is your best freind..
@@timwozniak7574 You've shot *hundreds* of deer?
@@chilloutdude3617 with a bow yes.probally another 50 or so with firearms.
Dog tracker told me last year that 90% of the deer they track & can’t find are shot with mechanical heads. And also no pass throughs with them either.
I think it’s the popularity of them as well. I bet expandables outsell fixed broadheads dramatically
@@HUNTRPOD for sure, but that’s because most people don’t want to take the time and tune their bow/ arrows properly. Your average joe, pulls their bow out a week before the season. Goes to the store buys a pack of rage broad heads & thinks they’re good to go.
@@WobblyRoosterHmmm! Interesting opinion. 🤦🏻
One of the first deer I ever shot with a mechanical it went in about 8 inches and I never found that doe. So I switched for fixed, all the deer I’ve shot with fixed I’ve recovered about 90% without any help.
Exactly same thing they told me
Which specific trackers is he referring to?
No names were given🤷♂️😜
@@HUNTRPODyeah no names were given because no tracker with experience will say what he said
foolish, this is awful
Lol this dude lost me somewhere between poaching/tresspass and roid rage.
Dudes a straight up clown and I don't care what anyone says should be labeled a poacher
The fixed vs. expandables argument can be boiled down to a few simple questions: what are you shooting it out of, what are you shooting it at, and how far does it need to travel? I'm not gonna shoot an expandable out of my 45# longbow at a feral hog but I do out of my 70# compound at a whitetail. Just like bullets, the projectile has to match the specific job its expected to perform.
Off topic, but why does it matter what head you use, when the outfitter you book finishes em off with rifles?!
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I wouldn't take advice from someone who thinks using a leaf blower on their truck fire is going to put it out 😂
Hahahahaha never forget that shit
Good thing when we’re fighting wildfires we use leaf blowers all the time
More importantly is the fact that he lit his truck on fire for internet clout.
Yet he still has more deer down than you ever will.
@@blakebeverly84it was a business expense, anyway.
There's two important pieces of information you're intentionally ignoring. IF the expandable opens AND IF it can penetrat everything it hits.
I’ve shot expandable for 10+ years. I shoot the rages with the shock collars and never had any blades not deployed. Over 15 + deers harvested. I only hunt with my bow and never once had to use fixed broad heads.
@@C_H_U_ Was everyone a complete pass through? Are you sure they deployed 100%? Did a bone deflect the arrow or damage the broad head? Then there was failures then hindered your chance of retrieving that deer. Plan failed successfully.
@@rlcnotouch1984 I tried reading what you said and it literally made no sense.
@@C_H_U_ The main take away is the mechanical broadheads will fail eventually. They use low quality metal and cheap springs/collars/plastic. You can also have the mechanical broadhead fail, yet still get the deer.
@Chulo905 your 15+ deer are an extremely small sample size.
Art, pope, Howard, and Fred bear all used fixed with out the use of modern inventions like range finders. Point is we are over thinking it.
Not to mention, earlier man used knapped-stone broadheads.
Become proficient with your equipment, and take the highest % shot possible.
And, don't blame your equipment for poor shooting.
It's a short conversation for him for two reasons.
1. There wasn't enough thought behind what he was about to say.
2. He is about to start selling his own mechanical.
A well tuned bow/setup that you are 100% confident in and taking shots within your abilities is what matters most. Broadhead choice is all your own at that point and your experiences will guide you from there.
Also, one thing that fixed blades will always have over mechanicals. With a well tuned bow, a fixed blade can work for any hunter, at any skill level, with any setup. You can't say the same for a mechanical.
@sheyanderson4371 The last paragraph of your reply is spot on 👍
Let's talk about poaching, and $75k fines.
Big facts fuck bowmar
Lost some deer due to lack of penetration on mechanicals, went to a cut on contact fixed blade (that I sharpen) and a 450g arrow and have had awesome penetration. Had a quartering away shot last year hit by the last rib and exited the front of the chest cavity. No blades broke off, blades were able to be resharpened and used to take a doe late season. Two holes will leave more blood than one, my mechanicals now go for turkey hunting.
For sure a good arrow build! I don’t think anyone is doubting the kill ability, but the accuracy or amount of tuning necessary is shocking to most people in order for that to shoot like your practice points did
I was surprised on the accuracy of the fixed blades. For years I thought they’d fly terrible and then I started making sure my bow was tuned, plus learned I was over gripping the bow. Changed those two factors and they fly great.
Went to 520 grain arrows and Buzz cut broadheads and will shoot a deer head on as long as he is 20 yards or closer where I can pin point my shot it has been deadly
@@HUNTRPOD be responsible and get your bow tuned. Not rocket science.
@@HUNTRPODso your saying be lazy and dont tune your bow to your broadheads? Thats not good advice. Lol people should be practicing as much as possible. If your out there practicing than you should be able to tune your bow to your fixed blades pretty quickly. It's not rocket science, bro.
Oh i also enjoyed watching a very smart guy who tried to put out a fire by useing a leaf blower , fire loves air partner !
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All I’m going to say, you don’t have to worry about something not opening.. WHEN ITS ALREADY OPEN. Fixed blade for the win
Expandables are great for deer but everyone I know runs fixed for Elk..Never have to worry about a fixed blade not opening up on impact..
I am a certified licensed tracker with my dog and yes you are 100% correct we do find more deer that was shot qith a expandable broadhead. But heres the thing we also track alot more deer that was shot with expandable heads then fixed blades. Alot of the time during the initial hunter interview i am told nearly the same thing over and over. It wasnt the perfect shot but he was huge. People take more marginal shots with mechanical then they do with fixed heads why? Because they think the broadhead works miracles and no matter where they hit it the deer will die.
… and Sir Issac Newton is now rolling in his grave, guy just destroyed modern physics in a few seconds.😂😂
I’m more likely to hit a bone so I shoot fixed. I’ve shot both and lost good bucks due to lack of penetration with mechanical
Trackers will tell you that getting a pass thru exponentially increases chance of recovery. And penetration is the goal on less than perfect shots. Ashbys 12 factors of penetration are gold .
Ashbys finds can be thrown out the window for deer and no seen bows.
@@Rbunton1987 appreciate your comment. What’s your authority on this topic? I’m assuming you’ve done something similar to Ashby and dedicated your life to this topic? Where can we check out your research and results ?
@@Rbunton1987 do you know the 12 penetration factors? Or are you just regurgitating something you heard on TH-cam? One of them is arrow flight. So it’s ok for arrows to be flying sideways? I think you meant to say modern. You do realize his tests included compound bows too not just trad, right? I’m wondering you’ve actually read his work. Let’s get educated and informed first.
@@paulwakefield1015 I am familiar with them. I would hope proper arrow flight would be a step in anyone’s process. My authority comes from shooting deer and hogs with middle weight arrows and mechanicals. Mr Ashby did a great job on building arrows for dangerous game. Deer are thin skinned and small and trajectory matters. What testing have you done? Sounds like you could be blindly following TH-cam knowledge.
@@Rbunton1987 arrow flight is one of the 12 factors of arrow and broadhead penetration. We aren’t following either of our research on the topic. Sure you and I have 20-30 years of hunting experience , but that’s just anecdotal. Luckily we have someone like Ed Ashby who has dedicated his life to researching the topic. Your comments are like if you knew you needed brain surgery but said “screw the brain doctor. I’d rather my family doctor take a look.” Let’s trust people who have authority and expertise on the issue. And that’s not just limited to arrow and broadhead flight but in all walks of life
"We don't put broadheads on the tip of our arrows for the perfect shot..." 😅 biggest hole possible, nothing else matters. GOT IT 👌
Probably uses a 300wm also because bigger hole means more room for error, that's all I heard here 😆
So what you’re saying is, more mechanical scenarios need tracked…
Yea, right before he puts his name on his new expandable head.
Gotta account for hunters using mechanicals 2-1 over fixed
I don’t believe a word this guy says.
Most trackers will tell you two holes are better than one. Deer can be lost with either head but you’re always going to have better penetration with fixed. Also you don’t have to worry about a fixed head failing to open or falling apart because it hit something less than ideal.
Spoken like a true whitetail hunter. Elk, moose, mule deer, caribou, etc are better off shot with fixed blades. I know he's killed all kinds of things, but not near to the level of born and raised western hunters. Fixed blades are better if you hit too far forward. Expandables are better if it's too far back. Ribs will ruin your day with Expandables. I've shot both a lot and killed a lot with both. I only shoot fixed blades now.
Very good statement! Appreciate it!
Dude… fixed blades, expandables, blah blah blah. Ranch fairy look him up. Big boy broadheads on adult arrows work the best, 110% of the time
What broadheads do they use on the largest game in Africa? Fixed heads.
2 holes are better than 1 hole with little penetration. Been using montec g5 heads.
Montec and toxic are the best!
I bought a few of those and the G3 broadheads with the BMP target points to try out. I've always used Zwickey broadheads and gone heavy but I liked the design and the additional blade so I figured I'd give them a shot, pun fully intended.
When you are poaching and need to get out quick take his word for it 😂 just kidding
“Small” “tiny” fixed blade are the key words here. Thats why you shoot large fixed blades and never have to worry
I've always used Zwickey Cliffs or Eskimos and never regretted it lol
Simmons Sharks work great
Shoot a fixed blade and a mechanical into a shoulder blade of a whitetail and see which has better penetration. And before anyone says other wise not everyone is a Robin Hood. If you bow hunt long enough you’ll hit that shoulder sometime or another and if it’s with a mechanical broad head you’ll be wishing you shot a fixed blade
This is wrong. Coming from a guy with a blood dog the highest percentage of deer we finding are ones with a complete pass through. Mechanicals lack in that area.
Ask Tracker John,one of if not the most well known and respected trackers.most of the tracks he does is from hunters using mechanical braodheads
I think it’s because more people shoot them, simple deduction that they’d track more
@@HUNTRPOD yea it wouldn't have anything to do with people thinking they can shoot a deer anywhere behind the shoulder and kill it because they are shooting a 2 inch cutting broadhead.
@@bucksniper65nope couldn't be that at all LOL. Ignore physics, shoot expandable, and the Earth is flat.
“At the end of the day, we don’t put broad-heads on the end of our arrows for the perfect shot.” The dude fixed this issue and created the best mechanical field point accuracy broadhead on the market, freaking amazing dude!
Damn, I almost drown from tears coming out of this post. Sound's like a bunch of fawns on here, bawling. "He's a poacher, "My tracker said"..
Watch any hunting video that has a hit with a mechanical and the arrow is sticking more than halfway out of the deer. Ive never not had a pass through with my apparently peasant "small fixed blade". And none of my shots required any tracking at all, deer were clearly visible from where i shot them. Tooth of the arrow S series 1" 100 grain.
I get the blood loss and maybe an expandable is better than a standard fixed blade but a large 2 blade cut on contact far exceeds both imo, especially a single bevel. They will still kill on a forward shot where an expandable will not penetrate. Plus they open up the options on shot placement. Shoot the deer in the right spot with a large 2 blade and it will drop just as fast as with an expandable or faster with better penetration.
What is the best blade for poaching?
I am a tracker and I track deer shot with everything from bows to rifles and what I find is that we'll hit deer shot with either fixed blade or mechanical are found with no problem. The area and terrain pose more problems than what the deer was shot with. Main reason for losing the animal is bad shot placement
I've watched two clips from this channel and im hooked....hooked on going to the comments to see people call these whiney clowns out.
Which one works best for poaching?
Gonna have to disagree with the animal bleeding more with expandable broadheads..I've shot deer with both in the same spots and I've had a 3 blade muzzy make a deer just dump buckets of blood versus a 2 blade rage barely getting any blood, all bout personal preference...give me a fixed blade muzzy or ramcat any day
Madness. I haven’t lost a deer since I switched to fixed and have never not had a pass thru. I shoot 70lbs and have had mechanicals stop after 8” of penetration. Next time you come over Jared bring some of those hot trash rages and we will run em thru the gauntlet. I got 100$ that says I have 5 different fixed heads that will out perform any mechanical.
You're on
I shot rage’s and had 2 of them not open.
We're you shooting these deer from your couch while watching TH-cam? Only time they are going 8" and stopping is in ballistic gel 😂.
@kanyewest1365 they absolutly do that if you hit a rib or the scapula and they fully stop on the humerus especially cause you generally have a very light arrow when using expandables
Which ones are best for poaching?
so if the expandable broadhead fails to open fully or backs out and closes like a schwacker or jak hammers will how is that better than a 2 blade like a magnus, kuduu, SIK, iron will or grizzly stik that will cut on contact and continue to cut until i falls out especially with bleeders
I've seen expandables bounce off shoulder blades. I've never used mechanicals but I've also never lost a deer from a single blade.
I tried the expandable game years ago. I’ve seen too many things go wrong. I have personally witnessed arrows make a 90° turn and never make it in to the vital cavity on quartering shots. These only seem to work consistently broadside hits.
I have absolutely zero issues with fixed broadheads.
Most people shoot an expandable because their bows are not tuned correctly and cannot get a fixed Broadhead’s to fly like a field point.
And this conversation is why hybrids are slowly becoming more popular! Why not have the best of both world? Two blades that never move and ensure penetration, and two blades that are supposed to pop out way wider on impact but would struggle to make it through bone on their own
Guys I'd listen to him... He uses expandables for every animal he poaches and only got caught the one time. 😂
😂😂😂😂
I have been bow hunting long enough to remember when the punchcutter came out. First mechanical broad head that my family ever heard of.yiu could buy one just to try it. It came in a plastic tube. Those were the days when the NAP razorback 5 was king! FYI that punchcutter wasn't worth the package it came in but mechanicals have come a long way. I have taken deer with both and prefer the fixed blade cut on contact. But it really all come down to shot placement.
I still have one brand new in the package my dad gave me, they’re hilarious!
Un-popular opinion. Bowmar is like 6’3” dude with a long draw length pulling well over 70 lbs draw weight. Of course he can get away with using most any expandable. Expandables are for people who have the KE out their bow, and either don’t know how or are too lazy to broadhead tune their bow. Fixed blades will always have greater penetration. It’s shot placement and pass throughs that kill. Fixed blades are less likely to deflect on impact than a large diameter expandable.
So which expandable broad head company does this guy work for???
His own…but built after a lot of thought into what is a lethal broadhead
Sevr
@@HUNTRPODdoes he own sevr or did he start his own?
Oh this is a world class poacher telling us what broadhead to use…..do they come in bait flavoured ?
A dog tracker will tell you most of the deer they don’t find are shot by an expandable. The run for error with an expandable is not good and fixed leave small holes with less blood. Hence the reason no one can agree
The trackers I’ve heard from say mechanical shots are the majority of ones not recovered. That being said it’s all about shot placement.
100% agree. Good video 👍
Switched to fixed blades two years ago and notice my deer run atleast half the distance... and I think the reason is, because they don't even know they're hit so they're trotting for let's say "5 seconds" instead of running full speed for "5 seconds" I think they feel the mechanicals hit them way more and run way faster... even if it takes the same amount of time for them to
Expire...
I think if you have a high powered setup (70-80lbs and or long DL) expandables are the way to go. Especially the better stuff like sevrs. If you have a very short DL or shoot under 65 lbs then a high quality, well sharpened fixed blade may suit you better. It's more important imo to have a well tuned bow and a high quality BH with very sharp blades.
It really comes down to shot placement and draw weight in my opinion, lighter draw fix blade. Heavier deaw mechanical. The biggest problem or issue is always shot placement, correct shot placement and it’s over, that’s all their is to it.
Well your deer got finished with rifles so how would you know
I've lost 2 deer in my life with a bow. Both were hit in the shoulder blade. Ill own i was too close the leg. One was with a 3 blade chisel tip Rage, a doe. The other was last fall with a NAP Killzone, biggest buck I've seen while on stand. Got pictures of him a week later doing just fine. Both right at 30 yards, neither got any penatration. I just feel that had i been shooting my normal Montec or Muzzy both of them would have been on the ground.
I’m 73 ; started bow hunting at 9. I’ve gotten multiple bear, elk , moose , caribou and. so many deer with fixed blades . Most with my 53 lb draw recurve . No sights no wheeelz no triggers. I do wear gloves. Should have 4 or 5 more years to hunt
I guided in Montana and Wyoming for 10+ years. We lost waaaay more deer from expandable broadheads. Main reason was the lack of an exit hole (we would occasionally find deer a week or so later on another hunt). Seeing is believing. Expandable are great for turkeys!
United blood tracker info says differently. 5% points higher in recovery rate with fixed blades. A lot higher % rate with pass throughs for fixed. This was 2020.
Actually they say the broadhead that makes an entrance and exit hole has the highest success rate in tracking dog recovery. And fixed blades have better pass through rates. I shoot expandsbles tho
Double lung shots are about the quickest of kills shots, and it's not because of blood loss.
Mechanical broadheads should be outlawed. They canilbalise part of the kinetic energy to flail the blades open when they make contact thus reducing penetration.
I have had some good success with a mid 400s grain arrow and a fixed blade. I feel if I have a less than ideal shot it will give me the best chance for success.
I do recognize that fixed can be more difficult to get to fly good. I do wonder if the average guy would be better taking a mechanical since they fly closer to field points
More people shoot mechanicals than fixed so naturally you’re going to recover more deer shot with mechanicals. He threw out a statistic without truly prefacing all the info. So it’s misleading. Fixed all the way.
Actually they have found through research (I also recommend watching Shane Simpson and his dog callie) that pass through are huge for recovery. Not only that but the damage a lot of mechanicals experience in the animal leads to longer tracks and animals dying slowly. Idk what research he's been doing but the trackers association has tons of info.
If mechanicals are the best why did he use a fixed blade for cape buffalo..... penetration that's why. Mechanicals are 95% thin steel only a couple of them are actually decent I had a shwacker bounce out of a deer at 25 yards. Also had a rage completely rip one blade off just from hitting a rib. It sucks when sponsorships dictate what a professional hunter has to say when discussing these important topics
We’ve shot them all. I grew up shoot muzzy it’s all I knew, I really liked Ramcat (RIP Brett Fulton), and I’ve killed a ton of deer with Rage. I would never sacrifice ethical kills for dollars. Frankly if Schwacker offered us money I couldn’t do it. I don’t believe in their design. Rage may not be flawless by any means but with my setup on Whitetails or Muleys the Trypan 100 is deadly. But we are always open to new and better options
I have called a few trackers in my area and they said personally they would never use mechanical heads
I think it depends on set up. Expandables need a certain amount of kenetic energy to deploy and penetrate properly. If your set up has it then go for it. If its a youth or slower less energy set up then id go fixed blade just to make sure we get penetration. Also i will throw traditional archery in the mix. Mechanicals are a huge no no there for the same reasons.
Which ones break more, which ones fail to open, which ones deflect more often, which ones penetrate more. I mean, you do you, but I'll stick to my fixed blades.
correct. if u hit it perfect then a field point will kill it. If you want to shoot brisket shots or hard quartering to then use fixed bc of all that thick bone. BUT if ur patient and wait for the right shot an expandable like my Grim Reapers are going to paint the woods red!
The very last thing he says proves why you shouldn't use expandables.
This guy is full of it.
You don't need dogs with fixed blades, you only need dogs with expandables.
Never heard somebody going on dangerous game hunt with expandable blade. Fixed blade all the way and for all times.
Agree to disagree...
You guys should talk about hybrid broadheads. Also chisel point vs cut on contact!
Cut on contact are great
@@HUNTRPOD ever tried hybrids? The rage xtreme is certainly enticing
Maybe they find less deer shot with fixed blade heads because they only go 80 yards and fall over dead so at that point you don’t need a tracker
I think it’s equal risk when ya get a bad hit. The expandable will make a bigger cut and better chance of veins on bad body shot, meaning too far back to high etc only going through ribs. sure prob better blood too. My choice for fixed is the muzzy with the chisel because if it’s a bone hit there’s a better chance to penetrate and get through. it’s easy to hit the shoulder blades and sockets and big bones shooting at the shoulder. I’ve used both. In a spine shot the fixed is going to have a better chance of a break. Any sharp head will kill a deer in the boiler room.
Yeah I have a tracking dog too and I find fixed blade hits far more often.
That’s completely crap.
Lost too many to expendables. So I bought a hound dog and switched to fixed. Never used her for my deer.
I have had cheap fixed blades fail as well as high dollar expandables... we have had 3 instances here on our property where expandable didn't open or only one blade expanded...... a 4 inch channel wound replaces practice and waiting for a good shot for alot of hunters
I've hit deer with expandables and the expandable fail. Never had a fixed blade fail. Only reason to use an expandable is if you can't get a fixed blade to tune properly
I shoot both but Shane Simpson tracks deer with a dog & he says just the opposite of Bomar on which they find the most of. He does give credit to Sevr as being the best if you’re going expandable
Fixed are 100% every time. Meaning they ALWAYS perform as designed. Mechanicals don't.
The dog trackers find more expandable heads because they go on far more expandable head tracks. Think about your argument before you say it. Haha
I've been testing both mostly use fix but who wants to broadhead tune and sight it all in to get them to fly straight when I can buy some rages or swackers that haven't failed make a massive whole with lots of blood and there deadly accurate idk tho for my 52 pounds
That's with the assumption that half hunters use expandables and half use fixed
I use what works best for me. Im not taking 50 yard shots and im not even shooting 70 pounds. Ill take the fix blade with my 65# bow and 20 yard shots or less.
I’d use an expandable any day on a deer or black bear, but for elk I’m going to stick to my fixed blades!
Actually they say the ones they find the least are the ones without a full pass through
Any dog tracker I’ve ever talked to have had a higher recovery rate on fixed blade heads. He would lie to his own mother to make a dollar.
Sharpness. Why isn’t this spoken of?
Fixed blade hunters don’t need dogs. That’s the reason.
I ALWAYS tell this to people. The last part of hunting is recovery and mechanicals always make an easier recovery. I’ve only had one mechanical not pass through but the size of the cut put that deer down less than 200 yards. I’ve never lost a deer on mechanicals but I have lost deer on fixed blades multiple times.
Used muzzy 100gr fixed broadhead a for over 25 years have shot a buck all but maybe 3 of those and numerous does. Only ever lost two and both were because of arrow deflections. I never shoot more than 30 yards. Never had a reason to. Expanding broadheads sucked when they first came out that’s why I stick with fixed blades. Obviously technology is way better but if it isn’t broke why fix it
Its hilarious that the point hes making about how expandables give you a better chance to kill deer with a bad shot is completely backwards cause they are only around a 1/4" bigger usually and they will stop/fail/break when they hit a bone so unless hes hunting shit with no bones fixed blades mean it will work much better for different shot angles and placements