Would love to see a thorough explanation and examples of more features too!!! I think that could help a lot of people understand theses terrain features and how to use them, Great video!
Normally, a buck will travel between 10 to 20 yards from the edge of a wooded area. When pushed. By activity, they will transition to a secondary trail. In the northern woods, they will often run about 30 yards, then turn to investigate anything that has spooked them. In farming country, a buck will often bound off 100 yards before slowing. Often in mid to southern Michigan, if you spook a deer, it is gone for the day.
It is always interesting how deer in different areas and habitat react to things like human pressure differently. One of the many reasons it is always a learning game with whitetail!
Yea NY deer are pretty similar. Theyll stand on the edge of treelines and look around, if they see or hear anything theyll turn and trot away and you wont see them for days
Ingham co,MI here,great video, 7 stands on my 30 acres 6 of seven meet that criteria,i do have one in my open hardwoods as more of an observation stand,only one i might add is a travel route between known bedding area and a food plot.... good luck this year!
Is it a good idea to set up between heavy tree rubs and ground scrape areas? I scouted a spot that has 11 tree rubs and 4 ground scrapes within a 20' diameter and roughly 100yds away there are 3 more all on the same trail route.
Yeah eastern KY needs to get on board like western and northern Kentucky, I'm in Menifee Co and it's not easy getting on a 3 plus yr old animal, but it only takes a couple poachers to mess things up, and I know guys who won't pass anything and will shoot multi bucks a yr, I have not killed in 7 yrs and this is first yr i have been able to set up solid on a 3 yr old, I have passed so many deer it's dumb, some really good 2.5 yr olds, but 3.5 and older is spread out pretty far, smfh😢
This is somewhat dependent upon time of year. During rut movement, a habitat feature that cuts many doe trails and/or is downwind of doe bedding is money. For instance, a bench that is in cover but there is a field with many trails that cut from the field and across the bench. A buck can quickly and safely travel the bench while sniffing all those sweet doe trails. In some cases, a buck will travel a more open bench than you'd expect if it is a very good one to cross trails. Also, public vs. private makes a difference (pressure). The first year I hunted a low pressure farm, I was amazed to see bucks cruising down old logging roads that were pretty open. They are much less likely to do that on public land.
I hunt in south mississippi near the coast...thick woods that are hard to see through unlike up north. What are good food sources deer like down south? And i cant seem to get them on my food plots durung the day. Idk how to find where they move a lot either...im 17 btw. Do u have any advice please??
Maybe your food plot is in a bad location. I was getting deer in mine but at night I moved my plot closer to cover the next year and saw a ton of deer coming to it during the day
0:43 "There should always be a reason you're picking a hunting spot." I got 9 acres. 70% of it a sheer cliff. The rest of its a ridge thats only shootable if I'm 25ft up in the ol' Post Oak.
Do you see bucks use things like snowmobile trails through the woods, or do they avoid? I'm talking trails not used September, October, November by snowmobiles.
Absolutely. We will see deer use our maintenance roads throughout the fall that we use for property access in the spring and summer for improvements. They always love using the easiest path of travel!
That is going to be situational based on a few different variables. A general framework to use for hunting terrain features is above them in the morning and below them in the evening!
@@whitetailpartners4624Can you elaborate? Say you had a good bench to hunt, why would you go below it in the evening? Edit: I found the answer in the next comment. I guess at that point you’re just changing shot angles the same as you’d do when hunting from the air?
To me it’s all about thermals. Thermals follow the sun, they go up in the morning and down in the evening, so they carry your scent in that direction. I would have 2 stands or use a climber to hunt the bench accordingly.
Look for 3 year old clear cuts and transition areas where the terrain changes and look for trails and deer sign , scrapes , rubs . Then set up down wind off those trails . That what I do, I hunt 58,000 acres of dense forest all state land .
I wish this guy was on my farm and he could see 3 inside corners where it is rare to see a buck follow that edge. They are always 30 to 50 yards out into the field. Deer dont like making sharp turns when they travel. Then I could show him and 80 acre grain field where the main trail from one side to the other is right across the middle. Deer dont like to waste energy by walking around the whole field to get to the other side. But then, every farm is different and this farm has been set up to almost make the deer go where you want them to go, for most stands.
We have to large? areas we call sanctuaries on one lot that’s about 550 acres of mostly mesquite. It’s trees from 40’s and 50’s years ago. Mostly pin oak and bodark. One is about 100 yards x 800 yards and another is about 2 acres square? They are at least 600 yards apart. We very seldom venture into them as they are great places for the does and fawns in the spring. We do go into them in the summer to check fence etc and clean up deadfall’s. The drought over the years has been very hard on these trees. Deer come from other ranches in the fall/ winter because of our feeding program . Naturally, in late October and November the bucks come because of the resident? does. Generally, three of us bow hunters will take 10-12 does and three shooter bucks before December. The tree stands are all located about a 100 yards from these sanctuaries. We have 7 permanent ladder Stands located in strategic spots that deliver year after year.
Hey guys ! thanks for the video very informative. I have been scouting a spot that basically have 3 pieces of bean fields with woods in between, with a tiny creek running in the middle(bottom of edges in between the fields). Would you setup on the edge of a field ? or down at the bottom where the creek is ( I found a mega rub down there)
Glad you enjoyed! It is hard to say specifically where to setup without knowing the area fully. A good rule of thumb is to not intrude any further than you have to, to put yourself in position for an opportunity. Always take into consideration wind, time of day, etc. while choosing these setups as well.
Greg here from WP - Ohio. I don't hunt much in PA, but I do hunt quite a bit of public on the eastern side of Ohio with similar terrain and open hardwoods. I started posting some reels on my Instagram filled with tips on access, stand placement, etc. Feel free to check that out over at @whitetail_partners_ohio
Good stuff. Question specific to hunting benches. Do you set up above them or below or does it depend on time of day and thermals? I'd think setting up below even with thermals falling would be risky because your more visible on thier eye level even with good cover but curious what you've had success with?
Thanks! That will be spot specific and depend on the time of the day. It really comes down to knowing the spot and setting up accordingly. When setting up below these benches in the evening we always make sure to pair it with good access and back cover to conceal us on our way in as well as in the tree.
Yes, thermals will help you hunt a bench area without getting winded. Generally your thermals will rise up the ridge in the morning and pull down the ridge in the evening. Our team member Greg post a lot of great content on thermals on his Instagram page @whitetail_partners_ohio if you want to check it out!
@@billmoran935 That will be very situational. The stronger those winds are, the further they can ramp over top of the ridge and down the other side. One of the most helpful things to do to understand how the wind travels through the hills is to use milkweed or another type of wind checker to watch how it flows through the landscape.
New Huntworth jacket, after many yrs( 25) my asat coat is retired Barren pattern? Lot of grey - white in it, Lastweek had a doe stand at 18 yrds staring at me for 5 minutes, not moving She walked away, the 9 pointer was 72 yrds back, I’d say it passed the test👍🏻
WEAR NON -UV CAMO! I researched this thoroughly , went out and bought old military surplus camo in different patterns and wool items too (wich is naturally free of UV brightners.) let me tell you once i wore my new gear the effect was extremely noticeable . The deer got closer to memthan ever before and never got spooked not once. They sometimes would look but go about their business. Mind you i hunt in the western park of new york state where the deer are extremely aware and skiddish . This was a game changer for me. I highly suggest everyone seriously consider changing their gear to non UV because doing so PLUS finding the right spot on your land to hunt will give you a huge edge. Buy a little UV light pen from home depot (tool aisle) and takenit with you to test the camo that you buy in store, the camo will have a greyish blue glow IF it has UV brightner in the fabric. Thank me later gents. Happy Hunting.
@@manofthehour1983 incremental gains matter and it can absolutely lower shine, and for thirty dollars it can be cheaper than getting new camo. you can absolutely get clothes from a thirft store and bring a light to check before you buy but they may not have the attributes that an existing camo set may have that a person might want. if a dwr is applied it can trickier to apply for sure but dwr and uv brighteners can be removed/modified and then dwr can be reapplied. its way more hassle then buying a "better" item first but not impossible and im still not fully convinced its as big of a deal as some folks make it out to be. if tree hunting it might not matter as much as ground hunting where it may matter more.
I use military camo almost exclusively. Digital military camo seems to be invisible to deer to a point. Match the shading to your environments and you'll see amazing results.
@@riverkat5877 yesir. Alsocif you can mix the type of camo that actually helps too depending on your back drop. Also i forgot to mention HUGE money savings
We have a video in the works. Our guy Greg posts a lot of good content about public land on his Instagram account, @whitetail_partners_ohio. You should check it out!
We don't consider someone that is looking to get the most out of their whitetail property a 'fail'. Whether you are looking to understand the general flow of deer on your property or consistently pursue top tier bucks, having a second set of eyes can be all the difference in taking your property to the next level. As far as the public land goes, our team member Greg from Ohio posts a ton of great content on his IG - @whitetail_partners_ohio breaking down whitetail tendencies on public land. Feel free to check it out!
Jake and everyone else on our team has years of experience hunting and managing whitetail properties. The purpose of our content is to help people become better hunters and improve their land.
@@whitetailpartners4624 the purpose of your content is purely narcissistic and greed . Years😂🤣😂🤣 of experience more like years of watching TH-cam. Start giving advice after 20 -30 years of consistently killen. Then maybe you’ll have something worth watching
@@steveshideler1333 I have no desire to start a channel nor will I ever. What TH-cam has done to hunting is absolutely ridiculous. In my 30+ years of bow hunting never have I seen the woods more of a shit show. Everyone says don’t believe what you see on the internet but stick some hipster in front of a bunch of mounts then he pays extra to saddle hunt with a guide service sit a public land buck label on it and dipshits eat it up like it’s gospel
Would love to see a thorough explanation and examples of more features too!!! I think that could help a lot of people understand theses terrain features and how to use them, Great video!
Noted!
Normally, a buck will travel between 10 to 20 yards from the edge of a wooded area. When pushed. By activity, they will transition to a secondary trail. In the northern woods, they will often run about 30 yards, then turn to investigate anything that has spooked them. In farming country, a buck will often bound off 100 yards before slowing. Often in mid to southern Michigan, if you spook a deer, it is gone for the day.
It is always interesting how deer in different areas and habitat react to things like human pressure differently. One of the many reasons it is always a learning game with whitetail!
Yea NY deer are pretty similar. Theyll stand on the edge of treelines and look around, if they see or hear anything theyll turn and trot away and you wont see them for days
This is one of the best videos I have ever watched! So easy to understand. World love to see more in depth videos! Thanks!
I've been very successful hunting open hard woods patches around swamps and thick cover.
Those swamps and thick cover can make for very good edges in the timber!
Good stuff, keep it coming!
Thank you! Plenty more in the works!
Ingham co,MI here,great video, 7 stands on my 30 acres 6 of seven meet that criteria,i do have one in my open hardwoods as more of an observation stand,only one i might add is a travel route between known bedding area and a food plot.... good luck this year!
Thanks for sharing, sounds like you have your place mapped out pretty well. Best of luck this season!!
Great work explaining the features in detail. Appreciate it!
Is it a good idea to set up between heavy tree rubs and ground scrape areas? I scouted a spot that has 11 tree rubs and 4 ground scrapes within a 20' diameter and roughly 100yds away there are 3 more all on the same trail route.
Thanks for the video.
You are welcome!
Excellent. All work well
Love them all!
We need more conservationists here in Harlan Ky that care about our whitetail deer population.
It can sometimes be a task to overcome to get others onboard, but always worth it in the long run. Keep spreading the positive mindset!
Yeah eastern KY needs to get on board like western and northern Kentucky, I'm in Menifee Co and it's not easy getting on a 3 plus yr old animal, but it only takes a couple poachers to mess things up, and I know guys who won't pass anything and will shoot multi bucks a yr, I have not killed in 7 yrs and this is first yr i have been able to set up solid on a 3 yr old, I have passed so many deer it's dumb, some really good 2.5 yr olds, but 3.5 and older is spread out pretty far, smfh😢
I BET DEPUTY MARSHALL RAYLAN GIVENS CAN HELP YOU
I've seen deer shot out of folks front yards out of the window dow of a car in Wallins KY. It's a wild world up in them hills.
@@troybrake5686My papaw killed a deer 30 minutes away from you that had 21 points and scores around 200 you just have to get deep in there
This is somewhat dependent upon time of year.
During rut movement, a habitat feature that cuts many doe trails and/or is downwind of doe bedding is money.
For instance, a bench that is in cover but there is a field with many trails that cut from the field and across the bench. A buck can quickly and safely travel the bench while sniffing all those sweet doe trails. In some cases, a buck will travel a more open bench than you'd expect if it is a very good one to cross trails.
Also, public vs. private makes a difference (pressure). The first year I hunted a low pressure farm, I was amazed to see bucks cruising down old logging roads that were pretty open. They are much less likely to do that on public land.
I hunt in south mississippi near the coast...thick woods that are hard to see through unlike up north. What are good food sources deer like down south? And i cant seem to get them on my food plots durung the day. Idk how to find where they move a lot either...im 17 btw. Do u have any advice please??
Maybe your food plot is in a bad location. I was getting deer in mine but at night I moved my plot closer to cover the next year and saw a ton of deer coming to it during the day
Such a beautiful state
0:43 "There should always be a reason you're picking a hunting spot."
I got 9 acres. 70% of it a sheer cliff. The rest of its a ridge thats only shootable if I'm 25ft up in the ol' Post Oak.
I’m not a stand hunter but this was massively helpful . Great video
great video
The deer around me come up from the creek across a field and then go into an orchard and go up the hill in a golden tod feild into the forest.
Do you see bucks use things like snowmobile trails through the woods, or do they avoid? I'm talking trails not used September, October, November by snowmobiles.
Yes. I have some and I’ve shot big bucks every year on them
Absolutely. We will see deer use our maintenance roads throughout the fall that we use for property access in the spring and summer for improvements. They always love using the easiest path of travel!
would you put your stand above,below or on the bench? thanks
That is going to be situational based on a few different variables. A general framework to use for hunting terrain features is above them in the morning and below them in the evening!
@@whitetailpartners4624Can you elaborate? Say you had a good bench to hunt, why would you go below it in the evening?
Edit: I found the answer in the next comment. I guess at that point you’re just changing shot angles the same as you’d do when hunting from the air?
To me it’s all about thermals. Thermals follow the sun, they go up in the morning and down in the evening, so they carry your scent in that direction. I would have 2 stands or use a climber to hunt the bench accordingly.
What if you only hunt in big timber public land, miles and miles of it no agriculture around
Look for 3 year old clear cuts and transition areas where the terrain changes and look for trails and deer sign , scrapes , rubs . Then set up down wind off those trails . That what I do, I hunt 58,000 acres of dense forest all state land .
I wish this guy was on my farm and he could see 3 inside corners where it is rare to see a buck follow that edge. They are always 30 to 50 yards out into the field. Deer dont like making sharp turns when they travel. Then I could show him and 80 acre grain field where the main trail from one side to the other is right across the middle. Deer dont like to waste energy by walking around the whole field to get to the other side. But then, every farm is different and this farm has been set up to almost make the deer go where you want them to go, for most stands.
He's talking about old mature bucks not young legal deer
We have to large? areas we call sanctuaries on one lot that’s about 550 acres of mostly mesquite. It’s trees from 40’s and 50’s years ago. Mostly pin oak and bodark. One is about 100 yards x 800 yards and another is about 2 acres square? They are at least 600 yards apart. We very seldom venture into them as they are great places for the does and fawns in the spring. We do go into them in the summer to check fence etc and clean up deadfall’s. The drought over the years has been very hard on these trees. Deer come from other ranches in the fall/ winter because of our feeding program . Naturally, in late October and November the bucks come because of the resident? does. Generally, three of us bow hunters will take 10-12 does and three shooter bucks before December. The tree stands are all located about a 100 yards from these sanctuaries. We have 7 permanent ladder Stands located in strategic spots that deliver year after year.
That sounds like a beautiful whitetail property!
Find the doe bedding areas and hunt the edges of those and the trails between doe bedding areas.
Thanks
Hey guys ! thanks for the video very informative.
I have been scouting a spot that basically have 3 pieces of bean fields with woods in between, with a tiny creek running in the middle(bottom of edges in between the fields). Would you setup on the edge of a field ? or down at the bottom where the creek is ( I found a mega rub down there)
Glad you enjoyed!
It is hard to say specifically where to setup without knowing the area fully. A good rule of thumb is to not intrude any further than you have to, to put yourself in position for an opportunity. Always take into consideration wind, time of day, etc. while choosing these setups as well.
Great video! Any knowledge of PA public lands? Lots of bug open hardwoods!
Benches look for that and acorns. Tons of big bucks... u gotta look for em
Greg here from WP - Ohio. I don't hunt much in PA, but I do hunt quite a bit of public on the eastern side of Ohio with similar terrain and open hardwoods. I started posting some reels on my Instagram filled with tips on access, stand placement, etc. Feel free to check that out over at @whitetail_partners_ohio
Great content! Only 300 some subscribers? No way you are new to TH-cam?
Thank you! The channel has been around for some time, but we are now starting to put more content together and be more active across all platforms!
Good stuff. Question specific to hunting benches. Do you set up above them or below or does it depend on time of day and thermals? I'd think setting up below even with thermals falling would be risky because your more visible on thier eye level even with good cover but curious what you've had success with?
Thanks! That will be spot specific and depend on the time of the day. It really comes down to knowing the spot and setting up accordingly. When setting up below these benches in the evening we always make sure to pair it with good access and back cover to conceal us on our way in as well as in the tree.
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it John. Looking forward to sharing more in the future!
How would you hunt the bench without getting winded?
Thermals.
Yes, thermals will help you hunt a bench area without getting winded. Generally your thermals will rise up the ridge in the morning and pull down the ridge in the evening. Our team member Greg post a lot of great content on thermals on his Instagram page @whitetail_partners_ohio if you want to check it out!
@@whitetailpartners4624 what about the prevailing winds that come over the top of the ridge? That’s what is confusing me
@@billmoran935 That will be very situational. The stronger those winds are, the further they can ramp over top of the ridge and down the other side. One of the most helpful things to do to understand how the wind travels through the hills is to use milkweed or another type of wind checker to watch how it flows through the landscape.
@@whitetailpartners4624 thank you
New Huntworth jacket, after many yrs( 25) my asat coat is retired
Barren pattern? Lot of grey - white in it, Lastweek had a doe stand at 18 yrds staring at me for 5 minutes, not moving
She walked away, the 9 pointer was 72 yrds back, I’d say it passed the test👍🏻
WEAR NON -UV CAMO! I researched this thoroughly , went out and bought old military surplus camo in different patterns and wool items too (wich is naturally free of UV brightners.) let me tell you once i wore my new gear the effect was extremely noticeable . The deer got closer to memthan ever before and never got spooked not once. They sometimes would look but go about their business. Mind you i hunt in the western park of new york state where the deer are extremely aware and skiddish . This was a game changer for me. I highly suggest everyone seriously consider changing their gear to non UV because doing so PLUS finding the right spot on your land to hunt will give you a huge edge. Buy a little UV light pen from home depot (tool aisle) and takenit with you to test the camo that you buy in store, the camo will have a greyish blue glow IF it has UV brightner in the fabric. Thank me later gents. Happy Hunting.
Atsko Sno-Seal UV Killer spray
@@anotheryoutuber_ its been readily tested and does not fully work.
@@manofthehour1983 incremental gains matter and it can absolutely lower shine, and for thirty dollars it can be cheaper than getting new camo. you can absolutely get clothes from a thirft store and bring a light to check before you buy but they may not have the attributes that an existing camo set may have that a person might want. if a dwr is applied it can trickier to apply for sure but dwr and uv brighteners can be removed/modified and then dwr can be reapplied. its way more hassle then buying a "better" item first but not impossible and im still not fully convinced its as big of a deal as some folks make it out to be. if tree hunting it might not matter as much as ground hunting where it may matter more.
I use military camo almost exclusively. Digital military camo seems to be invisible to deer to a point. Match the shading to your environments and you'll see amazing results.
@@riverkat5877 yesir. Alsocif you can mix the type of camo that actually helps too depending on your back drop. Also i forgot to mention HUGE money savings
Now do one for public land travel routes
We have a video in the works. Our guy Greg posts a lot of good content about public land on his Instagram account, @whitetail_partners_ohio. You should check it out!
Basically, hike far out one day do a quick scout for trails and stuff . Wake up next day , hope for the best
What about the yellow "deer xing" signs on the highways? Do the big bucks ever use those landmarks as travel routes?! (wink, wink)
You should be able to set up right on those signs and be good to go!
I know what it means were 1 step closer to flus being fired.
Been funny if he said "make and L, now put it on your forehead"
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What about public land? If you need help hunting your own private land you’re a fail
We don't consider someone that is looking to get the most out of their whitetail property a 'fail'. Whether you are looking to understand the general flow of deer on your property or consistently pursue top tier bucks, having a second set of eyes can be all the difference in taking your property to the next level.
As far as the public land goes, our team member Greg from Ohio posts a ton of great content on his IG - @whitetail_partners_ohio breaking down whitetail tendencies on public land. Feel free to check it out!
This is regurgitated TH-cam info not a guy with experience. Just another millennial with little time in the woods trying to cash in on TH-cam
Jake and everyone else on our team has years of experience hunting and managing whitetail properties. The purpose of our content is to help people become better hunters and improve their land.
@@whitetailpartners4624 the purpose of your content is purely narcissistic and greed . Years😂🤣😂🤣 of experience more like years of watching TH-cam. Start giving advice after 20 -30 years of consistently killen. Then maybe you’ll have something worth watching
@@matthewlawrence7080I look forward to your channel as you share all your experience…
@@steveshideler1333 I have no desire to start a channel nor will I ever. What TH-cam has done to hunting is absolutely ridiculous. In my 30+ years of bow hunting never have I seen the woods more of a shit show. Everyone says don’t believe what you see on the internet but stick some hipster in front of a bunch of mounts then he pays extra to saddle hunt with a guide service sit a public land buck label on it and dipshits eat it up like it’s gospel
@ you sound angry. Maybe you need a walk in the woods or a hug?
Grow up!