@@joelerk6298 it's also the fact that PTR bought surplus tooling for their 308 line and has been making them for years. I think they had to tool up the 9mm line out of their own funding and start from scratch.
@@echodelta2172 Technically PTR didn't buy surplus tooling, they bough the Portuguese Government's Technical Data Package for the G3 and used that to make the PTR 91 with modern manufacturing processes. Still, yes this is why they can make them for cheap.
I’ve always wanted an MP5, I just wasn’t willing to pay the outrageous H&K prices. I picked up a PTR9ct and I love it. Such a fun gun to shoot. It filled the nostalgic niche for me.
The Century Arms AP5 is simply a 1960's-70's styled earlier MP5 clone when the PTR-9ct is the later MP5A2 equivalent which I can get complete replacement parts for from HK Parts. That's another story for the AP5. Also you'll notice their 1/2x28 MP5/SP5 thread caps are are too short for the PTR-9ct because PTR allows for extra threads for less chance off suppressor walk off and minor detection to help prevent baffle/end cap strike. You can even get smooth (metal, black) replacement 1/2x28 thread caps online for your PTR-9ct from GSL Technology, Inc. that fit perfectly and allow for o-ring fit and full thread protection. Good Shootin.' Semper Fi, Mac.....
Lol both of you are retarded. The H&K version is not better lol you pay for the name, the Century is made on the exact same toolings the H&K ones were made on. Same machines, just better finishes.
@@MikeRehfuss I’d run across used ones minus the light for an ok price, as well as the light unit alone used. Piecing a used one together is still around $250+. Then you run into the light hitting a can if you want to suppress it, so you have to get that goofy ass offset light.
I went through a similar journey with my PTR 9 before I traded it. If you can get a hold of the surefire weapon light integrated handguards that is imho the best option for lighting up a mp5. I just can't justify keeping around PCCs for some reason and always go back to rifles as rifles and pistols as pistols. I took mine just about as far as I thought it could go as far as practicality/functionality but I still don't miss it. It filled a niche of always wanting an MP5 but it wasn't enough to keep. Keep up the great content!
You just broke down start to finish the curiosity filled journey with any niche gun. I think i’d be a buyer if I ever come across a 10m. I highly doubt any non fa models were made by HK. :/
@@0mgapie 10mm would be sweet and could arguably bridge the gap between niche and something practical like bear yeeter or something else you can add another justification for keeping.
It really is hard to justify a pcc when ammo prices are as high as they are, and 300 BO does everything a pcc does but with rifle ballistics. They are cool, but I totally get why you let it go.
someone needs to make a playlist of all his modernization projects with this title and have a “Am I a lesbian” video and a “Do I have autism” video at the end
The world needs more journalist / reviewer types like Hop. It's refreshing to not get hammered with shill videos and for someone to speak the truth. Hop doesn't seem to be controlled by any overlords and doesn't seem to give one single fuck. And I appreciate that. Thanks. Edit: If you don't watch his work on TFB as well, then you're missing out.
Exactly. And he doesn't have the 2-3 minute long fucking annoying intro videos that so many guntubers seem to have these days, where they think you wanna see a dramatization/theater of them in full tactical gear running around shooting shit with loud ass annoying fucking wannabe epic music playing. That shit pisses me off to no end. Seriously it's like almost every gun review I ever click on lately, I'm hit with an obnoxious intro video and I even sometimes start yelling out loud at the computer screen "start the FUCKING review you narcissistic piece of shit! I'm here to LEARN the info, not watch your stupid fuckin ass trying to make an action movie!" lmaooo. I love that hop gets straight to the point and gives useful info in a no-bullshit manner.
@@SlingshotMustang no kidding. I got so sick of those intros really fast. most of the time id only click if i really liked the gun but 100% of the time i skip em.
@@MusikCabaret the MP5 has been outdated for quite some time. It was never designed to support optics of any kind, lights or lasers. This was an afterthought. The only reason the US military took so long to replace it is because there was no competition until recently. Sorry, but your beloved MP5 is a relic.
I recently bought an MP5 clone, AP5 and to solve the red dot/iron site issue, bought a $40 Kley-Zion ultra low profile mount and used a Romeo 5 with low picatinny mount. With this setup I get a good cheekweld and the red dot is on the tip for the front sight post. Works very well for me!
"NO NO NO! You did it all wrong! No need for nightvision, red dots or small LED lights. All you need is a HUGE Maglite mounted on top the receiver!" ;)
Yup, subbed because of the conclusion alone. "If you're just a clone [REDACTED] you might as well buy the HK to try to convince yourself that you're BASED because you supported an arrogant manufacturer from a dying, cucked country." Now THAT'S what I call spicy.
HIs channel is way better than gunthots and he seems to be way more knowledgeable than those guys with their satire channel. Please leave your union. Thanks. Sincerely, Everyone
"I don't really give a fuck, I can shoot fast enough, and I don't really care about triggers at all" Brutal - and I love it. That alone got me to subscribe.
It matters for those who want it as a collectors gun, as in trying to mimic the MP-5 of the olden days that we can't have either due to laws or the original manufacturers charging absurd amounts for the neutered civilian variants. I have a SIG 556 that looks like a 551, real Swiss lower, furniture, magazines. I wanted a SIG 551, but I don't have 8 thousand fucking dollars nor would I spend that on some asshole reselling his JDI import for twice what he paid for it.
Just don’t try to AR an MP5 and it will suit all ur civilian needs just fine. Very interesting video and glad someone attempted it but an MP5 was made for full auto and it being semi auto in general defeats the whole purpose of the weapon system.
I’m watching this video 2 years after you made it and there has been more MP5 products to come to market as well as the cheap MKE imports from century. I haven’t had any problems finding ways to modernize mine and none of it is costing any more than AR15 parts. The reload is by far its biggest drawback but man it shoots so well I can deal with it. I have a surefire vampire light and a holosun IR laser mounted on a Midwest handguard with a modbutton dual lead mounted on top of the cocking tube right behind the front sight. Really pretty close to the way I setup my AR15’s, and I’m doing this with a K model. So far I really like it.
"top scientists still don't know how a 3 point sling is supposed to work, or why anyone would ever want to use it" LMAO. I agree, I guess it is supposed to take the stress of your shoulders why you carry the gun, but more relevant in the G3/PTR 91. Mostly designed for guards who had to stand on their feet for like 8 hours at a post.
That little hook on the mag well is not for a sling. That's actually a hook so that weapon will hook on to your uniform. It sounds weird, but its true. It's a 'quick attach' loop for when operators want to attach it tight to their uniform when repelling or using their hands for other uses.Its located in the middle - the weight of the gun is equally distributed across the body.
This channel is slowly becoming my favorite channel, only due to the fact that his issues and fustrations with accessorizing weapons are very similiar to mine. And he keeps coming back to ARs as the only way.
I love the MP5 but its kinda pointless when 8" 300BLK guns exist. its cheaper, similar weight, vastly better ergos, suppresses better. Only downside is more recoil and it doesn't fold to be as small without a law folder. If I ever actually drop the money to own my own MP5 it will be purely as a range toy due it use in video game and movies.
Cutting the Ring of the Front sight up has been done since the late 90s when the Aimpoint 9000 were started to be used by Units like Delta and Team Six on their MP5s. Way back in the 90s there were a couple of companies that made Mounts that would allow Tactical Lights and Lasers to attach to a Mount that would go on the Cocking Tube Cap with the Replacement of the Cap with a Cap that had mounting points for one or two items on either side of the Cocking Tube. I do not know if those mounts are STILL being made but they should be available in the Secondary Market.
I have tried a few different red dots on my 9CT. I keep going back to the irons. So I went the opposite direction and picked up the classic light in the forehand grip and I am rolling with that setup. I love it. Not everything in my safe needs new tech. somethings are just better left as is.
As someone who has only customized one gun (my SKS with a polymer chasis so it can take magazines as well as not get unbearably hot in the summer times), I can say that the MP5 when I shot it full auto at a range was the most pleasant and fun shooting experience with a gun I've ever had. It was so smooth. But really, other than that, owning one which I am getting myself a clone version of it, is simply aesthetic. It's just so badass. It's badass, the history of it is badass, and the iconic nature of it is badass. It will never truly be replaced, only wane usefulness as it is seen as less modular. I can't imagine a world where one armed force isn't using a MP5 or PCC at some point.
The MP5 *was* an excellent gun, but if I were to buy a PCC for practical use, it would dwell around the bottom of my list. Realistically, if the SP5 or the PTR 9 were going for, say, $900-1200, they'd be worth it, but I'd rather buy a Banshee or MPX than waste my time and money on an MP5.
It's gonna go a lot like this. Having a good amount of experience with an AUG, I can tell you they're cool guns and fun to shoot but they're still dated designs that are ergonomically obsolete compared to an AR.
Hop - i know this is an older video, but if you still have this gun, regarding the weak detents on the magpul grip, here is a hot take from a few fellas who have some experience with this platform - take the thumb safety off and fill in the empty hollow space behind the metal detent tab with epoxy. It works amazingly. You’re welcome. Also, still Waiting on your collab with Paul Harrell. Beaver state fellas need to stick together.
If you really wanna run this gun, You are right that the side folder is best. Good call. Best weaponlight solution for this is still the surefire forend with the built in light and tape switch. No Mlok. Trust me. You will love it. Otherwise if you want IR run the little SF or streamlight IR/white/laser combo on a gooseneck. Since it has a rail, Put an AR height red dot on it with a hollow base mount (to allow use of irons) and use a homemade cheek riser of pipe foam insulation and 100mph tape to fix the cheek weld issue. Or no riser, run the red dot lower, and dremel off the top of the front sight hood. Combine with a short 9mm can and 147gr HST it is both fun and useful. All of that being said for a modern application an mp5-k with a side folder run as a pdw is best I think. Sweet little Compact setup. Run a few bailout drills with it side by side with other stuff and you will see. Video it, clock yourself.
Agree with alot of what your saying especially the price. However you should consider its intended use before trying to tacticool the snot out of it. Concealment and maneuverability, it's also mostly a secondary and/or CQC engagement option. Slapping hardware all over it is counterproductive to the footprint. Smooth edges and lack of rails to snag on your gear. I'm glad it's become dated enough to finally hit the market myself, it may be a plinker in modern times but the price really is $700 more than it should be.
I'll continue to shout it from the mountain tops, pistol grip compartments are perfect for a spare battery, an allan key and a glass cleaning cloth. Red dot care package bro.
As an owner and practical minded user of this firearm, I would largely agree, BUT not 100%. I will argue that the gun may work better suppressed than a direct blowback, but regardless, when you're on a limited budget, you're sometimes drawn to make a purchase like this. I wanted something iconic, fun, smooth shooting, and still somewhat practical. I would argue the rail issue isn't that bad. I run an O-light on the right side of the gun and slide the light in the top slot of the mount for the ability to actuate the back of the light while maintaining a C grip. It takes very little space, and actuation is easy. Ultimately, this platform is getting to the end of its lifespan, but for now, you can still do a little wet work with confidence in your MP5. Also, this baby in full auto starts to really show off how great it is.
I have an MRO with that same ADM mount on my sp5 with B&T rail. The dot is perfectly placed above the front sight hood like you said. Perfect option if the MRO was better 😭. You might want to try the Magpul handguard, it's light weight. Fyi, I have the b&t side folder you mentioned. Another good option would be an ACR stock since it has an adjustable cheek weld and it's still foldable.
Nothing like a Hop review on Friday morning! The last line about what the gun is was a great way to some things up. Awesome and sucks. Useless and fun. Thanks for starting my day off with a chuckle.
Listen, the two guns I normally keep staged for home defense are a Daniel Defense PDW300 and a Tavor X95. With those being my primaries, why did a buy a PTR MP5K clone and a Kalashnikov KP-9 Vityaz? They’re cool. Full stop. I like them. The Vityaz gets throw in the truck and bounces around in the woods. The MP5K fits great on the motorcycle or in my work bag. It’s also a fantastic conversation piece.
I catch a lot of grief when I tell people the PTR 9ct is better than the SP5. My reasoning is the mlok handguard and picattiny rail for a red dot. I put a Sightmark Wolverine and absolutely Love it!!!
Hoplop woke up one day with the thought of HK roller delayed blowback guns in his mind's eye and chose violence. *I LOVE IT* I laughed harder as the show went on. The final minutes are just pure flames. Keep making this honest content, it's just fantastic.
I bought the California compliant version. Yes I know California sucks balls but I’ve always wanted a reasonably priced MP five clone. I had serious issues with the mag well locked up on any magazines available on the market everything from HK all the way down to the Korean ones. I sent it back to PTR two times with little to no resolve. I ended up selling it. Best decision of my life
I always thought if they were to modernize the MP5, you would have to throw everything away but the roller delay system and the caliber. Hop brought up a few design flaws that hadn’t occurred to me.
JP is making a roller delayed 9mm AR15 that takes Glock mags, but it’s expensive and I haven’t read an actual review of them yet. I’d be more interested in it if it took Scorpion mags, just because they are double feed and much easier to load. They can also lock the gun open when it’s empty and are curved to better feed the tapered 9mm. The fact that they are cheap doesn’t hurt either.
@@cletustheslackjawedyokel6083 agreed I would start with the scorpion mags. If this thing isn’t vaporware, you could just get the upper and maybe get a PSA lower and work from there.
Finally someone that knows how to fucking tell it like it is! Thank you for your information and time on this gun. Your No B.S. assessment has helped me with my decision on this gun and how I will decide to make future decisions on just about anything. Hats off to you brother.
I can vouch for the KCI Gen2s as well. I got 10 30s for my 9CT and 10 20s for my 9KT. I originally had 10 30s and 10 20s from ETS, but they seem a lot more difficult to insert than the metal KCI mags.
All of your videos need to be this way. 110% full personality. You're willing to die on the hill of of the MP5 being shit by todays standards. I just ordered a second one and all of your complaints are valid. You earned my sub with this video.
the funny thing about 3 point slings is that they are technically useful, just only under a very VERY specific context. The SAS for example and Hong Kong's SDU. Basically it's for when you really want 1 point slings on super short weapons with stocks collapsed for maximum maneuverability, but need temporary 2 point sling level of security because you plan on doing a LOT of high angle work quietly. Which makes sense why basically ONLY those 2 groups ever used them in any serious manner and in the case of the SDU still do. Basically any call serious enough for a swat team like entity in Hong Kong is going to involve some rappelling work. I Think 9 Hole did a good video explaining the shooting technique the SAS and SDU use with the 3 point. Incidentally though, WHY DOES NOONE MAKE A 1 POINT THAT SKIPS THE STUPID BUNGIE?! I DON'T WANT BUNGIE!
I loved the G3 and MP5 in all the movies and games when I was a kid, and would love to own one. However due to the no bolt hold open and other reloading variables with those models I just got a more standard rifle instead. Why blow 4k on a H&K MP5 with no bolt hold open and all that when you can get an MPX for under 2k?.
I own both a Banshee and an MKE MP5 clone. The Banshee has more recoil. When I shot an MPX suppressed, it recoiled more. I can certainly say that the Banshee has significantly more reciprocating mass, but I'm not sure on the MPX. I spent $1,600 on mine, and it includes a brace. I bought a Magpul Grip Module, Safety, and Handguard for about $50 each. Slapped my Modlite and Surefire tapeswitch on it, and they work just fine. The MKE suppresses much better than either. I have a weapon light and red dot on mine, and it works fine. It suppresses the best of any 9mm sub gun. By far. Words cannot describe how much nicer this gun is to shoot suppressed than any other 9mm sub gun I've shot. Banshee and MPX included. It's also worth noting that several SOF units still use MP5's in covert roles. Very salty in this video. lol.
I’m personally a fan of B&T. I have an actual SP5 and a B&T 45 apc pro. The B&T in 45 is softer shooting than the SP5 in 9mm. It has the added benefit that it is ergonomically identical to an AR lower so I can swap out hand grips, triggers and some safeties . It also has built in Mloc slots at 3, 6 and 9. I have an RMR on a sig riser, a surefire vampire light and a Steiner tor mini IR laser.
This is exactly why I like watching Hop over his brother or any other GunTubers for that matter is he keeps it real. He never schills to companies and tells it like it is especially with overpriced firearms 👍
Oh NoOoOoO!!!!!!! My CHEEK WELD!!! How could I possibly operate this platform, that was used for over 20 years by 40 different nations since the '60s, now that I can only get a _measly_ chin weld????
It's weird how the same thing in .308 sells for like half the price.
The price is created on what the market will pay.
@@joelerk6298 it's also the fact that PTR bought surplus tooling for their 308 line and has been making them for years. I think they had to tool up the 9mm line out of their own funding and start from scratch.
@@echodelta2172 interesting, I didnt know that
Because it's half the fun and ammo costs twice as much? Jk, idk. 👆 I saw that.
@@echodelta2172 Technically PTR didn't buy surplus tooling, they bough the Portuguese Government's Technical Data Package for the G3 and used that to make the PTR 91 with modern manufacturing processes. Still, yes this is why they can make them for cheap.
Feels like a parent telling their kids:
"Do as I say, not as I do."
I’ve always wanted an MP5, I just wasn’t willing to pay the outrageous H&K prices. I picked up a PTR9ct and I love it. Such a fun gun to shoot. It filled the nostalgic niche for me.
The Century Arms AP5 is simply a 1960's-70's styled earlier MP5 clone when the PTR-9ct is the later MP5A2 equivalent which I can get complete replacement parts for from HK Parts. That's another story for the AP5. Also you'll notice their 1/2x28 MP5/SP5 thread caps are are too short for the PTR-9ct because PTR allows for extra threads for less chance off suppressor walk off and minor detection to help prevent baffle/end cap strike. You can even get smooth (metal, black) replacement 1/2x28 thread caps online for your PTR-9ct from GSL Technology, Inc. that fit perfectly and allow for o-ring fit and full thread protection. Good Shootin.' Semper Fi, Mac.....
@@TheCrusher72 the void was filled and I saved over 3k. Thanks for asking
Lol both of you are retarded. The H&K version is not better lol you pay for the name, the Century is made on the exact same toolings the H&K ones were made on. Same machines, just better finishes.
"shooting is literally better than sex"
>implying you would know
jk ily hop
I have it on good authority that sex isn't all it's cracked up to be.
@@Hoplopfheil “Guns gave me erectile dysfunction”
@@Hoplopfheil you just haven't been with the right person
@@jackwicker can I get your mom's number? 🥺
@@Hoplopfheil didn't know you were into the whole mommy gf thing
Given your thoroughness, I’m surprised you didn’t go down the rabbit hole of finding a SureFire fore-end.
You ever priced them?
@@NewbombedTurk Between 5 and 6 hundred for the thousand lumen. Don’t know about the old school models
@@MikeRehfuss I’d run across used ones minus the light for an ok price, as well as the light unit alone used. Piecing a used one together is still around $250+. Then you run into the light hitting a can if you want to suppress it, so you have to get that goofy ass offset light.
They were just in stock for 95 bones at Arms Unlimted for a police trade-in (8/19/21). OOS now. You gotta be quick!!!
@@robc5082 That’s a killer damn price. I stopped searching for handguards after I got my KAC rail and mount. Otherwise I might have lucked across one.
I went through a similar journey with my PTR 9 before I traded it. If you can get a hold of the surefire weapon light integrated handguards that is imho the best option for lighting up a mp5. I just can't justify keeping around PCCs for some reason and always go back to rifles as rifles and pistols as pistols. I took mine just about as far as I thought it could go as far as practicality/functionality but I still don't miss it. It filled a niche of always wanting an MP5 but it wasn't enough to keep. Keep up the great content!
You just broke down start to finish the curiosity filled journey with any niche gun. I think i’d be a buyer if I ever come across a 10m. I highly doubt any non fa models were made by HK. :/
@@0mgapie 10mm would be sweet and could arguably bridge the gap between niche and something practical like bear yeeter or something else you can add another justification for keeping.
It really is hard to justify a pcc when ammo prices are as high as they are, and 300 BO does everything a pcc does but with rifle ballistics. They are cool, but I totally get why you let it go.
@@Glonk_Respecter I used to think the same until I seen a video
I would point to the video 9 Hole Reviews did that basically encapsulates what I would say a PCC is ideal for. It's the video they did on the Vector.
Alternate Title: Neurotic Autist swaps every accessory & optic possible onto MP5, still has bad feels...
Hilarious
"A man's slow descent into madness trying to modernize outdated weapons.
someone needs to make a playlist of all his modernization projects with this title and have a “Am I a lesbian” video and a “Do I have autism” video at the end
"Fantastic. I'm looking forward to dragging this empty case around for the rest of my life."
You beautiful genius.
The world needs more journalist / reviewer types like Hop. It's refreshing to not get hammered with shill videos and for someone to speak the truth. Hop doesn't seem to be controlled by any overlords and doesn't seem to give one single fuck. And I appreciate that. Thanks. Edit: If you don't watch his work on TFB as well, then you're missing out.
Exactly. And he doesn't have the 2-3 minute long fucking annoying intro videos that so many guntubers seem to have these days, where they think you wanna see a dramatization/theater of them in full tactical gear running around shooting shit with loud ass annoying fucking wannabe epic music playing. That shit pisses me off to no end. Seriously it's like almost every gun review I ever click on lately, I'm hit with an obnoxious intro video and I even sometimes start yelling out loud at the computer screen "start the FUCKING review you narcissistic piece of shit! I'm here to LEARN the info, not watch your stupid fuckin ass trying to make an action movie!" lmaooo. I love that hop gets straight to the point and gives useful info in a no-bullshit manner.
@@SlingshotMustang no kidding. I got so sick of those intros really fast. most of the time id only click if i really liked the gun but 100% of the time i skip em.
@@jangelopabunan93 hahaha right?!
I love that you don’t pull any punches. Keep telling it like it is.
>supporting an arrogant manufacturer from a dying, cucked country
They hated Hop because he told the truth...
hes telling it like how he thinks it is. The MP5 is even today rated as the world top SMG for good reason. No, Not because its fun to shoot.
@@MusikCabaret the MP5 has been outdated for quite some time. It was never designed to support optics of any kind, lights or lasers. This was an afterthought.
The only reason the US military took so long to replace it is because there was no competition until recently.
Sorry, but your beloved MP5 is a relic.
How dare Hop make a video so egregious, yet so accurate.
I appreciate how you have no illusions about the mp5 platform.
I appreciate.... YOU
I recently bought an MP5 clone, AP5 and to solve the red dot/iron site issue, bought a $40 Kley-Zion ultra low profile mount and used a Romeo 5 with low picatinny mount. With this setup I get a good cheekweld and the red dot is on the tip for the front sight post. Works very well for me!
This video is filled with quotables. Way to go Hop. I appreciate you.
Also your video talked a friend of mine out of buying an MRO, so good job.
He talked me out of getting an MRO as well.
"NO NO NO! You did it all wrong! No need for nightvision, red dots or small LED lights. All you need is a HUGE Maglite mounted on top the receiver!" ;)
Dude. That conclusion was epic.
Per union mandate, I’m required to ask on every video that you please do a colab with GunThots. Thank you.
No, the dryness and raw meme content would literally kill the comments section....but maybe that's for the best.
Yup, subbed because of the conclusion alone. "If you're just a clone [REDACTED] you might as well buy the HK to try to convince yourself that you're BASED because you supported an arrogant manufacturer from a dying, cucked country." Now THAT'S what I call spicy.
Dude.
I never realized I wanted this and now it's all I want.
HIs channel is way better than gunthots and he seems to be way more knowledgeable than those guys with their satire channel. Please leave your union. Thanks. Sincerely, Everyone
Hands down one of the best reviews I have ever seen. The attention to detail and so many combinations is impressive. 10/10 video.
"I don't really give a fuck, I can shoot fast enough, and I don't really care about triggers at all" Brutal - and I love it. That alone got me to subscribe.
I wish more reviewers were like you Hop. Your IDGAF ways are what’s needed in a world of shills.
I’ve never gotten a clear answer on the reverse stretch MP5 before this video, thank you Hop I truly appreciate it!
The commentary is the best part of this video. Thanks for not pulling any punches 😂👍🏼
I love just the pure unbridled rage from Hop in the last 5 or so minutes of this video
Perfect balance of technical and sarcasm ...thats why I subscribed
that conclusion had me rolling. Until I realized the Elcan is next on the docket...
Next week we take aim at your precious Elcan.
Listening to Hoplop's professional narration tone always cracks me up when he breaks character and casually cusses.
"...clone correct if that matters. Pro-tip, it fucking doesn't"
Alright, you have my like.
It matters for those who want it as a collectors gun, as in trying to mimic the MP-5 of the olden days that we can't have either due to laws or the original manufacturers charging absurd amounts for the neutered civilian variants. I have a SIG 556 that looks like a 551, real Swiss lower, furniture, magazines. I wanted a SIG 551, but I don't have 8 thousand fucking dollars nor would I spend that on some asshole reselling his JDI import for twice what he paid for it.
Looks inside safe " Don't worry little buddy. The mean man on the internet didn't mean it"
Love my modernized PTR 9KT!
Gay people typically do. Wow much pride.
🤣
Childhood ruined yet budget saved. Thanks for the honest review!
God I love his delivery on these reviews. Good to hear someone with logic and reason talk about MP5/Clones
This channel is very rapidly becoming one of my favorites
The narration and sarcasm/jokes weaved within were incredible hop. Keep it up!! Id love to see your take on a 5.56 roller lock rifle.
Just don’t try to AR an MP5 and it will suit all ur civilian needs just fine. Very interesting video and glad someone attempted it but an MP5 was made for full auto and it being semi auto in general defeats the whole purpose of the weapon system.
Was scrolling through my feed for 2min and almost gave up and then you saved me at the last second.
A man and his Hop are not easily separated.
I’m watching this video 2 years after you made it and there has been more MP5 products to come to market as well as the cheap MKE imports from century. I haven’t had any problems finding ways to modernize mine and none of it is costing any more than AR15 parts. The reload is by far its biggest drawback but man it shoots so well I can deal with it. I have a surefire vampire light and a holosun IR laser mounted on a Midwest handguard with a modbutton dual lead mounted on top of the cocking tube right behind the front sight. Really pretty close to the way I setup my AR15’s, and I’m doing this with a K model. So far I really like it.
Definitely getting one now
"Arrogant manufacturer" is a main reason I went with the Mp5 and Mp5k Turkish clones. I like your style Hop. Just subscribed.
I'm more excited for Hop uploads than GT uploads at this point
GT is a little too scripted and long winded sometimes. Hop is always gonna be salt and rage.
Best reviewer on youtube, you will not change my mind
"It's fun!" isn't an excuse, it's just a different mindset than combat training
"top scientists still don't know how a 3 point sling is supposed to work, or why anyone would ever want to use it" LMAO. I agree, I guess it is supposed to take the stress of your shoulders why you carry the gun, but more relevant in the G3/PTR 91. Mostly designed for guards who had to stand on their feet for like 8 hours at a post.
It's made to keep a secondary weapon at the ready with a heavy load out or rappel. Same purpose as the clip that he knew nothing about.
That little hook on the mag well is not for a sling. That's actually a hook so that weapon will hook on to your uniform. It sounds weird, but its true. It's a 'quick attach' loop for when operators want to attach it tight to their uniform when repelling or using their hands for other uses.Its located in the middle - the weight of the gun is equally distributed across the body.
Wake up babe new hop video
"Not as clumsy or random as an AR-9; an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.”
This channel is slowly becoming my favorite channel, only due to the fact that his issues and fustrations with accessorizing weapons are very similiar to mine. And he keeps coming back to ARs as the only way.
This is confirmation that the only reason to buy an MP5 is for the aesthetic alone.
If you're buying a PCC, an already basically useless platform, it might as well be just for the aesthetics.
@@feraligatorade99 or fun, they're still fun
Or because nothing else is available to you.
@@corvoattano4777 No civilian's only choice is an MP5 or a clone
@@bobbertbobberson6725 it is where i live.
Great video, completely agree. I have wanted one of these for a long time, then I got a banshee, and now I'm happy with what I got.
I love the MP5 but its kinda pointless when 8" 300BLK guns exist. its cheaper, similar weight, vastly better ergos, suppresses better. Only downside is more recoil and it doesn't fold to be as small without a law folder. If I ever actually drop the money to own my own MP5 it will be purely as a range toy due it use in video game and movies.
I like my PTR 9KT. It’s my truck gun. Folds up super small. 30 round mags. Good times
I’m a simple man- I see a new video from my favorite deadpan FtM guntuber, and I click.
Cutting the Ring of the Front sight up has been done since the late 90s when the Aimpoint 9000 were started to be used by Units like Delta and Team Six on their MP5s. Way back in the 90s there were a couple of companies that made Mounts that would allow Tactical Lights and Lasers to attach to a Mount that would go on the Cocking Tube Cap with the Replacement of the Cap with a Cap that had mounting points for one or two items on either side of the Cocking Tube. I do not know if those mounts are STILL being made but they should be available in the Secondary Market.
What a great way to finish off the week, thanks for another video
I have tried a few different red dots on my 9CT. I keep going back to the irons. So I went the opposite direction and picked up the classic light in the forehand grip and I am rolling with that setup. I love it. Not everything in my safe needs new tech. somethings are just better left as is.
As someone who has only customized one gun (my SKS with a polymer chasis so it can take magazines as well as not get unbearably hot in the summer times), I can say that the MP5 when I shot it full auto at a range was the most pleasant and fun shooting experience with a gun I've ever had. It was so smooth.
But really, other than that, owning one which I am getting myself a clone version of it, is simply aesthetic. It's just so badass. It's badass, the history of it is badass, and the iconic nature of it is badass. It will never truly be replaced, only wane usefulness as it is seen as less modular. I can't imagine a world where one armed force isn't using a MP5 or PCC at some point.
The MP5 *was* an excellent gun, but if I were to buy a PCC for practical use, it would dwell around the bottom of my list. Realistically, if the SP5 or the PTR 9 were going for, say, $900-1200, they'd be worth it, but I'd rather buy a Banshee or MPX than waste my time and money on an MP5.
U gotto shop better. My ptr 9 was 1300
Excellent video!
I love this kind of honesty and builds.
Thanks from Sweden.
review a modern bull-pup, if your conclusion was this unequivocal on the mp5, would love to hear you on them.
It's gonna go a lot like this. Having a good amount of experience with an AUG, I can tell you they're cool guns and fun to shoot but they're still dated designs that are ergonomically obsolete compared to an AR.
Hop - i know this is an older video, but if you still have this gun, regarding the weak detents on the magpul grip, here is a hot take from a few fellas who have some experience with this platform - take the thumb safety off and fill in the empty hollow space behind the metal detent tab with epoxy. It works amazingly. You’re welcome. Also, still
Waiting on your collab with Paul Harrell. Beaver state fellas need to stick together.
Oh my! Getting an MP5 makes you *_based_* ? I'm gonna need one soon then
If you really wanna run this gun, You are right that the side folder is best. Good call. Best weaponlight solution for this is still the surefire forend with the built in light and tape switch. No Mlok. Trust me. You will love it. Otherwise if you want IR run the little SF or streamlight IR/white/laser combo on a gooseneck. Since it has a rail, Put an AR height red dot on it with a hollow base mount (to allow use of irons) and use a homemade cheek riser of pipe foam insulation and 100mph tape to fix the cheek weld issue. Or no riser, run the red dot lower, and dremel off the top of the front sight hood. Combine with a short 9mm can and 147gr HST it is both fun and useful. All of that being said for a modern application an mp5-k with a side folder run as a pdw is best I think. Sweet little Compact setup. Run a few bailout drills with it side by side with other stuff and you will see. Video it, clock yourself.
This is the equivalent to modernizing an F1 car from the 80’s to race today.
Carry on.
That… wouldn’t be possible without throwing the whole chassis away? But, funny analogy nonetheless.
@@fabiangonzalez-cortes8894 Sounds like you've figured out how to make the MP5 good: roller delayed AR anyone?
@@BigSlanko CMMG did radial delayed. It’s pretty damn close
Well in the 80's they didn't have ground effect? you probably can get away with it if they make the old shit in modern machines.
@@BigSlanko gas delayed, di or piston 9mm AR would be fun too. It would have problems like the mp5, just different ones.
I wondered why Hop wasn’t on any TFB TV videos of late, glad I found his channel :)
You hit the nail on the head with the PTR case man! Mine hasn't left my closet haha.
can you at least cut into the foam more to fit the gun back in?
Is it that bad ?
"I can shoot fast enough and I don't care about triggers, sorry."
Glad I'm not the only one.
Agree with alot of what your saying especially the price. However you should consider its intended use before trying to tacticool the snot out of it. Concealment and maneuverability, it's also mostly a secondary and/or CQC engagement option. Slapping hardware all over it is counterproductive to the footprint. Smooth edges and lack of rails to snag on your gear. I'm glad it's become dated enough to finally hit the market myself, it may be a plinker in modern times but the price really is $700 more than it should be.
I'll continue to shout it from the mountain tops, pistol grip compartments are perfect for a spare battery, an allan key and a glass cleaning cloth. Red dot care package bro.
"Use a dremel to cut off part of the front sight hood"
SACRILEGE!!!
It's probably the cheapest part of the whole gun to replace.
When Sweden put aimpoints on the ak4 (g3) they just cut the entire front sight of and it looks like bubba did it with his angle grinder.
First gun review that mentions total renal failure. Great review.
Enjoyed the video. But I swear it sounds like “well I can’t get curb feelers to work on my Ferrari “. 😁
@Eric M obviously you haven’t driven a 1960 Ferrari. Besides you really can’t appreciate the design without the fun button.
As an owner and practical minded user of this firearm, I would largely agree, BUT not 100%. I will argue that the gun may work better suppressed than a direct blowback, but regardless, when you're on a limited budget, you're sometimes drawn to make a purchase like this. I wanted something iconic, fun, smooth shooting, and still somewhat practical. I would argue the rail issue isn't that bad. I run an O-light on the right side of the gun and slide the light in the top slot of the mount for the ability to actuate the back of the light while maintaining a C grip. It takes very little space, and actuation is easy. Ultimately, this platform is getting to the end of its lifespan, but for now, you can still do a little wet work with confidence in your MP5. Also, this baby in full auto starts to really show off how great it is.
I like when Hop's lesbian haircut bounces with the recoil. ^_^
Hops insults are the best. They hit the bullseye every time like a wordsmith on steroids.
I have an MRO with that same ADM mount on my sp5 with B&T rail. The dot is perfectly placed above the front sight hood like you said. Perfect option if the MRO was better 😭. You might want to try the Magpul handguard, it's light weight. Fyi, I have the b&t side folder you mentioned. Another good option would be an ACR stock since it has an adjustable cheek weld and it's still foldable.
Really appreciate your tone and delivery of information Buddy. Be easy.
Nothing like a Hop review on Friday morning! The last line about what the gun is was a great way to some things up. Awesome and sucks. Useless and fun. Thanks for starting my day off with a chuckle.
I just now stumbled on this guy. His sarcasm is most impressive!
Listen, the two guns I normally keep staged for home defense are a Daniel Defense PDW300 and a Tavor X95.
With those being my primaries, why did a buy a PTR MP5K clone and a Kalashnikov KP-9 Vityaz? They’re cool. Full stop. I like them. The Vityaz gets throw in the truck and bounces around in the woods. The MP5K fits great on the motorcycle or in my work bag. It’s also a fantastic conversation piece.
Fr. Shit talking people for owning firearms that aren't 100% optimized is serious Reddit tier garbage
I like how he said “face as a third point of contact”. Implying the brace isnt being shouldered. Lmao yeah BETTER NOT BE BUDDY!
Face and front of shirt only.
Hops is like coffee, you either crave it or just use it to get to the toilet...
HK literally invented this gun so we can enjoy the ultimate Schadenfruede from Hop's misery. True story.
I catch a lot of grief when I tell people the PTR 9ct is better than the SP5. My reasoning is the mlok handguard and picattiny rail for a red dot. I put a Sightmark Wolverine and absolutely Love it!!!
Hoplop woke up one day with the thought of HK roller delayed blowback guns in his mind's eye and chose violence. *I LOVE IT*
I laughed harder as the show went on. The final minutes are just pure flames. Keep making this honest content, it's just fantastic.
I shot a Zenith at the NFA Review shoot and I wanted one so bad. Thanks for bringing me to my senses!
glad to finally see the video but it would've been nice to see how much it would have been improved by a Spuhr or ACR stock
I bought the California compliant version. Yes I know California sucks balls but I’ve always wanted a reasonably priced MP five clone. I had serious issues with the mag well locked up on any magazines available on the market everything from HK all the way down to the Korean ones. I sent it back to PTR two times with little to no resolve. I ended up selling it. Best decision of my life
I always thought if they were to modernize the MP5, you would have to throw everything away but the roller delay system and the caliber. Hop brought up a few design flaws that hadn’t occurred to me.
JP is making a roller delayed 9mm AR15 that takes Glock mags, but it’s expensive and I haven’t read an actual review of them yet.
I’d be more interested in it if it took Scorpion mags, just because they are double feed and much easier to load. They can also lock the gun open when it’s empty and are curved to better feed the tapered 9mm. The fact that they are cheap doesn’t hurt either.
@@cletustheslackjawedyokel6083 agreed I would start with the scorpion mags. If this thing isn’t vaporware, you could just get the upper and maybe get a PSA lower and work from there.
@@cletustheslackjawedyokel6083 9mm is tapered? Pretty Sure they are straight walled.
@@FXIIBeaver it’s only about .013” but it’s noticeable. There’s a reason most modern 9mm sub machine guns / PCC have curved mags.
Finally someone that knows how to fucking tell it like it is! Thank you for your information and time on this gun. Your No B.S. assessment has helped me with my decision on this gun and how I will decide to make future decisions on just about anything. Hats off to you brother.
I can vouch for the KCI Gen2s as well. I got 10 30s for my 9CT and 10 20s for my 9KT. I originally had 10 30s and 10 20s from ETS, but they seem a lot more difficult to insert than the metal KCI mags.
All of your videos need to be this way. 110% full personality. You're willing to die on the hill of of the MP5 being shit by todays standards. I just ordered a second one and all of your complaints are valid. You earned my sub with this video.
You're telling me WWII technology doesn't work really well with modern weapon concepts?
that's crazy.
You think that's bad people still believe early 20th handguns are viable.
_you're_ crazy
the funny thing about 3 point slings is that they are technically useful, just only under a very VERY specific context. The SAS for example and Hong Kong's SDU. Basically it's for when you really want 1 point slings on super short weapons with stocks collapsed for maximum maneuverability, but need temporary 2 point sling level of security because you plan on doing a LOT of high angle work quietly. Which makes sense why basically ONLY those 2 groups ever used them in any serious manner and in the case of the SDU still do. Basically any call serious enough for a swat team like entity in Hong Kong is going to involve some rappelling work. I Think 9 Hole did a good video explaining the shooting technique the SAS and SDU use with the 3 point. Incidentally though, WHY DOES NOONE MAKE A 1 POINT THAT SKIPS THE STUPID BUNGIE?! I DON'T WANT BUNGIE!
I loved the G3 and MP5 in all the movies and games when I was a kid, and would love to own one. However due to the no bolt hold open and other reloading variables with those models I just got a more standard rifle instead. Why blow 4k on a H&K MP5 with no bolt hold open and all that when you can get an MPX for under 2k?.
ptr mp5 is 1600$
Cause it looks better than mpx
I own both a Banshee and an MKE MP5 clone. The Banshee has more recoil. When I shot an MPX suppressed, it recoiled more. I can certainly say that the Banshee has significantly more reciprocating mass, but I'm not sure on the MPX. I spent $1,600 on mine, and it includes a brace. I bought a Magpul Grip Module, Safety, and Handguard for about $50 each. Slapped my Modlite and Surefire tapeswitch on it, and they work just fine.
The MKE suppresses much better than either. I have a weapon light and red dot on mine, and it works fine. It suppresses the best of any 9mm sub gun. By far. Words cannot describe how much nicer this gun is to shoot suppressed than any other 9mm sub gun I've shot. Banshee and MPX included. It's also worth noting that several SOF units still use MP5's in covert roles.
Very salty in this video. lol.
I mean, yeah it’s for some ergonomic issues, but I still prefer it to the MPX after shooting both suppressed.
I’m personally a fan of B&T. I have an actual SP5 and a B&T 45 apc pro. The B&T in 45 is softer shooting than the SP5 in 9mm. It has the added benefit that it is ergonomically identical to an AR lower so I can swap out hand grips, triggers and some safeties .
It also has built in Mloc slots at 3, 6 and 9. I have an RMR on a sig riser, a surefire vampire light and a Steiner tor mini IR laser.
FAL modernization next?
This is exactly why I like watching Hop over his brother or any other GunTubers for that matter is he keeps it real. He never schills to companies and tells it like it is especially with overpriced firearms 👍
_you're_ fun
Your sarcasm is most superior! You sir, just got a new fan!
Oh NoOoOoO!!!!!!! My CHEEK WELD!!! How could I possibly operate this platform, that was used for over 20 years by 40 different nations since the '60s, now that I can only get a _measly_ chin weld????
CMMG Banshee for the win.