Low-Tech Rangefinding

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  • There are several good ways to figure out how far away your target is, and none of them involve asking nicely. In this video we go over laser rangefinders, and some low-tech, low signature alternatives. WARNING: video may contain scenes of long division.
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  • @Rickjames127
    @Rickjames127 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +146

    Great video. Why are you saying mpbr as mean point blank range when it's maximum point blank range?

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +147

      Verbal typo

    • @Rickjames127
      @Rickjames127 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @Hoplopfheil Ah. Thanks for the clarification 👍. I'm definitely going to test using range estimators on my optics to see if I can get consistent first round impacts. What ammo are you usually running in these videos?

    • @joshmajor8662
      @joshmajor8662 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Geez guy!!! We’re not all perfect 😭🙈😳😂

    • @christopherreed4723
      @christopherreed4723 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Proof that Hop is,in fact, human and not a cyborg.
      Then again, he could be a very advanced model that intentionally makes minor, non-critical mistakes in order to trick you into thinking he's human...

    • @MasahikoKohineko
      @MasahikoKohineko 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@christopherreed4723 A real cyborg would have better eyebrows, he's definitely human.

  • @ShellShock794
    @ShellShock794 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +295

    Pro-tip!
    If you want a rangefinder but are short on cash, you can go to a golf course and pretend you forgot your rangefinder in your cart and ask if anyone turned it in. Pretty much every golf course has a lost and found and they are FULL of range finders.
    Sometimes they ask you to describe it, sometimes they hand you the box and you just grab one.
    I have a friend that did this twice and has found 2 others laying on the ground in the rough.
    Kind of a moral gray area though

    • @newerest1
      @newerest1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Definitely just stealing, no grey area

    • @NoNo_IStay
      @NoNo_IStay 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

      When you get sniped by that guy with the Blue Tees RF 😅

    • @CutlassOutdoors
      @CutlassOutdoors 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +86

      It's not that gray. 🤨

    • @acemace3618
      @acemace3618 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +78

      r/unethicallifeprotips

    • @piercer2
      @piercer2 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I got a range finder from Amazon, was like 300… good to 1400 yards, works

  • @PNWGUERRILLA
    @PNWGUERRILLA 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    I just so happen to know a guy that sells those cards 👀👀👀

    • @VaticusChadicus
      @VaticusChadicus 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Just thought of your company

    • @brandonisthetrivium1
      @brandonisthetrivium1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I went straight to the comments when I saw the thumbnail lol

    • @tubeguy4066
      @tubeguy4066 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Cool, can't wait to get on a list so you can redflag me too!

    • @PNWGUERRILLA
      @PNWGUERRILLA 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@tubeguy4066 You do know we can see you liking your own comments right?

    • @wampyr88
      @wampyr88 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Monke from agartha

  • @admiralsnackbar2811
    @admiralsnackbar2811 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    The Range-R card is civil war technology.
    Brass range finders were given to the best shot of a company
    Silver range finders were given to the best shot of a regiment

  • @CiviTac
    @CiviTac 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    I think the best way to learn this is become a member of a long range ……range. Build out a dope card and get a good feel for distance and windage. It makes applying these skills so much easier because you have more context.

    • @DFOOSKING
      @DFOOSKING 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      If you have access to a 200 - 300 yard range. Just use some 4-10 inch in size plates randomly strewn around the range. If possible....move the firing position as well. Make it very difficult to reference things on the range to cheat. And don't scale up the targets in size as they go out. Just toss them them out there randomly. Some will be harder than others. Have one person set up targets while the shooter is blind/back turned. Keep a short ranging time period. Like 1 minute to mil as many targets as possible. Then 30 seconds to engage them. Then have the shooter switch jobs.
      You can use a rimfire target rifle with LR scope.
      The process is exactly the same as a centerfire. And the rimfire will really punish any error if you flub the measurement. Plus it's very economic on cost. We have used 8" tall standing gopher targets. And breaking down the reticle in sub "tenths" of a mil may be required to get an adequate solution.
      The other thing to keep in mind, is you should EXPECT a miss. And being able to measure your misses and dialing in a quick solution. At that point the error should be somewhat small. So dialing the solution in is more pressing than getting the actual yardage at that point.

    • @GuacIsExtra99
      @GuacIsExtra99 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Good idea, a long range range seems like the best place to use a long range range finder.

    • @CiviTac
      @CiviTac 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GuacIsExtra99 you read me like a book

    • @deaglan6641
      @deaglan6641 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      when you mention "building out a card", do you mean designing one with references you want and paying someone with a laser engraver to make it for you?

    • @Yuzuki1337
      @Yuzuki1337 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@GuacIsExtra99How should I use my long range range finder to assist me in finding a long range range in first place though?

  • @kevinmarrett9532
    @kevinmarrett9532 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    I refuse to believe Hop is over 36. 40s is simply out of the question

    • @sinisterthoughts2896
      @sinisterthoughts2896 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I believe it was a joke, further demonstrating his bad math skills.

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      ​@@sinisterthoughts2896I can't count past 20 or do long division

    • @flopus7
      @flopus7 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Its cause he's part sasquatch since he's from the frontier wilds. Explains the dimensions

  • @highdesertdrew1844
    @highdesertdrew1844 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    Excellent, you covered all of the salient points I bring up when I discuss ranging when I cover that topic in my long range class. One thing when talking about high angle shots, is the hit box on some targets becomes smaller, shooting at a human or animal from directly above presents a smaller target than shooting straight on. Not a big deal, but something not everyone thinks about. It matters when it becomes a "know your limits" situation.

    • @Jezus42
      @Jezus42 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Then he pulls out a Bushnell. Are we golfing now?

    • @dogedogego
      @dogedogego 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If you’re not careful, the hit box could shift unpredictably if you get a lag spike
      Don’t forget to lead your shots an extra 5-10ms to compensate

    • @highdesertdrew1844
      @highdesertdrew1844 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@dogedogego I hate it when the deer start bitching in chat about being lag killed.

  • @bunnyoperator
    @bunnyoperator 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Concur. Math is hard, and Brass Facts is bad at being Asian. I found my college era Texas Instruments calculator the other day, so will bring that with me next time. It's solar like a Holosun.

    • @Steelboots47
      @Steelboots47 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Brassfacts lack of math skills makes me think he might be half Asian. Kinda like being half human half elf…except he didn’t inherit all the elf high magic aptitude.

  • @hateferlife
    @hateferlife 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Mildot Master sliding calculator or just have a list of common dimension items and the corresponding mil/moa readings.
    Range Estimation is a perishable skill, with map apps training is possible basically wherever you're at.
    Around my town there are places one can sit with views. So I know the distances from a bench to various land marks. I sit and train my brain to recognize the distances instinctively.
    Test at new places with a map app.
    If the ground is flat enough and/or obstruction free, knowing your pace count can get you pretty close to the actual distance too.
    Backing up what Hop said, LRFs are the way to go but some of us think it's cheating!
    Don't over think it and have fun!

  • @DanDannyDanielleBob
    @DanDannyDanielleBob 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Primary Arms is the king of auto ranging reticles. We should lobby them to release their binos with reticles. Until then I will continue to lust after nikon laserforce range finding binos. Binos are so much better than monocular for scanning, and you can dial in the focus to see things hiding in brush, etc. We need a cheap, compact 10x pair with reticle

  • @TerminalM193
    @TerminalM193 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    I picked up a budget range finder from Amazon and was absolutely shocked what 50 bucks will actually get you. It came with a multi-reticle design that uses a 4x with diopter and within 400 yards it does an amazing job, especially when dealing with inclines. I've tested it against my vortex rangefinder and the cheap one keeps up almost equal out to 500 yards with only 1-2 yard different reading between the two.

    • @test-nt1qy
      @test-nt1qy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Which brand/model did you end up getting?

    • @Yukimaru0
      @Yukimaru0 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I love finding budget versions of stuff and being surprised when it's actually good.

    • @coupledyetivonvanderburg5385
      @coupledyetivonvanderburg5385 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@test-nt1qy
      We need answers!

    • @JazzerciseJustice
      @JazzerciseJustice 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What model was it? Tell uss

  • @echo_43
    @echo_43 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    That Range-R card is slick, Ive never seen those things before

  • @sinisterthoughts2896
    @sinisterthoughts2896 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    that Range-r card looks pretty cool. agreed it's not perfectly accurate or always appropriate, but it is a simple unobtrusive solution, especially for back-up or ad-hoc gear and would be useful for reconnaissance and scouting as well.

  • @Thoroughly_Wet
    @Thoroughly_Wet 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Whats always nice is learning off your existing reticle. For instance, i know with the EXPS3-2 from use if the dots touch his scrote and forehead hes about 300 yards and if he barely fits between the botom dot and the outer ring hes 400, and about half the diatance between bottom dot and ring is at 500+

  • @gator7082
    @gator7082 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Good content, I like to keep it low tech so I’m glad that you covered some methods. May I suggest another low tech method: Maps! If you know where you are at, and the area you are observing, you can estimate ranges to likely avenues of approach, intersection, etc…This is the basis for creating range cards. You shouldn’t be “operating” in an area without knowing where you are at. A map recon will help with range estimation. I truly believe that understanding, maps, terrain, land nav etc…is far more useful, way more fun, and satisfying when training. You do not need a GPS, just a starting point and a protractor is very helpful and like the Range-R cards cheap and easy to carry.

  • @ryang8040
    @ryang8040 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    If you measure your target in yards instead of inches the math gets way easier. (1000 x "target size in yards") / "Mil measurement" = distance in yards. (1000 x 0.5 yds "18 inch shoulder width") / 0.8 mils = 625 yards from target. If you are always measuring shoulder width you can simplify your math to 500 / mils = distance in yards. 500 / 0.8 mils = 625 yards.

    • @caseysmith8831
      @caseysmith8831 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Solid advice

    • @atlas4733
      @atlas4733 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Same goes with meters to meters with x1000 conversion factor.
      Also milimeters -> meters don't require any

  • @commandZee
    @commandZee 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Ranging is also possible using your front sight post, but you'll have to figure out the figures relative to your specific setup. Buying a decent laser ranger finder is really the best way to go, you can even take it with you everywhere beyond the shooting range and use it as a monocular to get familiarized with what stuff looks like at certain distances. It doesn't always have to be people either, knowing the range of standardized objects based on its size at specific distances will allow you to automatically ballpark distance. Objects such as stop signs, house doors, USPS mail boxes, cars by model, a 2 liter soda bottle, etc.

    • @kerbalairforce8802
      @kerbalairforce8802 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      M-16 sight post is about shoulder width at 300meters/yards. Anything further than that, and your target is smaller than your post, so might not even want to commit to the shot.

    • @X4Alpha4X
      @X4Alpha4X 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kerbalairforce8802 Something to note, almost no one uses irons at M16 length anymore. The M4's front equals the army qual targets width at like 200ish yards.

  • @kpjo5427
    @kpjo5427 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very cool and informative video, I have been looking to buy a rangefinder lately and this was perfect timing.

  • @stevenkennedy4130
    @stevenkennedy4130 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Def a needed piece of kit. Thanks for the share!!

  • @dondie3147
    @dondie3147 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good to see the SIG still being put to work. Thank you for always bringing consistently rich info and great videos

  • @Thoroughly_Wet
    @Thoroughly_Wet 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That Range-R Card is awesome

  • @That_Guy5575
    @That_Guy5575 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    There’s a couple of other analog ways to measure range, and rather accurately as well. There’s the coincidence rangefinder, and the stereoscopic telemeter. These are how the military range found in the days before laser rangefinders.
    However. It’s a bit of a moot point to mention these as the only ones you can get your hands on are old surplus units that are 50+ years old, probably don’t have any ability to be repaired, are large, bulky, heavy, and usually expensive.
    That all being said, if one is planning a static position and don’t want any signatures to give them away yet still have accurate readings, these might be a good option.

    • @kerbalairforce8802
      @kerbalairforce8802 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You could put two monoculars on tripods with good compass on top. If you know the exact distance between the monoculars, you can take the angle difference between them and triangulate the distance to target. That's what our eyes do.

  • @jackwalsh5270
    @jackwalsh5270 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the short king affirmations in this video.

  • @lolfolcopter
    @lolfolcopter 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Didn't know about those range cards. Thx

  • @compulsivegunbuyer
    @compulsivegunbuyer 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Darn it, Hop! I was going to make this video. Now I've got to watch and see if you left any content for me.

    • @CutlassOutdoors
      @CutlassOutdoors 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You should make one too. I like your takes, even if it is repetitive subject matter.

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yours would still be worth a watch for me

    • @compulsivegunbuyer
      @compulsivegunbuyer 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Hoplopfheil that's because you're secretly a sweetheart.

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Shut up I'm evil

  • @thepracticalrifleman
    @thepracticalrifleman 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    Good video on a good topic. One thing I’d like to add: Miliradian a aren’t metric nor are they only able to use with the metric system. In fact, I think miliradian were acknowledged a few hundred years before. Both MOA and miliradian are angular measurements, think back to Jr High geometry 👍🏻

    • @oldmindyoungbody3068
      @oldmindyoungbody3068 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yup, MRAD just works better with metric because metric is base-10.

    • @thepracticalrifleman
      @thepracticalrifleman 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@oldmindyoungbody3068 it works as well with standard.

    • @oldmindyoungbody3068
      @oldmindyoungbody3068 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@thepracticalrifleman - Meh, it works better metric because metric is base-10 and, as the name implies, so is MRAD.

    • @thepracticalrifleman
      @thepracticalrifleman 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@oldmindyoungbody3068 please, explain to me how it “works better”.
      And it’s actually based on 1/1000th of a radian. Angular measure. A mil is 1/1000th. At 1,000 yards, one mrad is 1 yard. At 1000 pussy-hairs, it is one pussy-hair. Does that make pussy-hairs metric?

    • @apticisinyourwalls
      @apticisinyourwalls 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      mils are si units, so they are part of the metric system

  • @LDR1100RS
    @LDR1100RS 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good stuff, Hop.

  • @nobeltnium
    @nobeltnium 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    that makeshift bipod is crazy. I love it so much

  • @X4Alpha4X
    @X4Alpha4X 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    on the topic of manual range finding with MIL or MOA. MIL is actually very very quick if you stop caring about units until the end. 1 MIL is 1 unit per 1000 units away. so if something 1 unit tall measures 2 MIL, then its 500 units away. 3 MIL is 333, 4 MIL is 250, 5 MIL is 200, etc. Of course you need to turn the distance into something useful and you need to know the approximate measurement of the object. So it does require some base memory of the stuff you plan to range off of. A man in boots and a helmet can be assumed at 2 yards tall (1.9 is 5'8" otherwise) and torso width is 0.5 yard. Those are rough assumptions, but are close enough to get you a hit at range. So say a man at torso width measures 2 MIL, then he is 500x0.5yd = 250 yards away.
    A worthy note to make is also to know your limits as well as the accuracy that you can estimate the size to be. For example, if a mans width is less than 1 MIL then he is over 500 yards away and its very possible that the best course of action would be to not engage such a target. If you absolutely need to make shots past 500yards, and you have to rely on reticle ranging, you probably aren't properly equipped for your task.

  • @chrisdjernaes9658
    @chrisdjernaes9658 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome review. Cheers 🍻

  • @diet_dr.demoncore
    @diet_dr.demoncore 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow, what timing, I bought a couple range-r cards about a week before this video was posted and I haven't had a chance to cross reference it much, excepting a rough test against google maps.
    Gonna give the second one to my dad, then buy a few more for stocking stuffers and to have around

  • @GreenBlueWalkthrough
    @GreenBlueWalkthrough 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great overview which the method use(In video games/sims) is just train enough to get a good eye for the ballistic tragtory of my weapon system and walk the rounds to the target if I do miss you know like a battleship/old tank. How ever the flaws are it assumes you have ammo to spend on misses and also that you can miss.

  • @danapple1234567MWF2
    @danapple1234567MWF2 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video and something a lot of people gloss over/ignore i think. For your comments on doing estimation with mills/moa. I find it a lot easier to just use CM and MILs to get meters and inside 500 meters its close enough. If you want more exact just add 1/10 for the yards. 1000M is roughly 1100 yards, 900M is ~ 990 yards, ect. The formula i use is CM/MILx10. average human torso is ~ 45cm. So 45cm/2milx10 your target is about 225 meters or like 240 yards away. keeping it in multiples of 10 makes it much easier and more practical in the field and generally gets you close enough to hit a 1-2moa target out to 1000 yards.

  • @davidmilisock5200
    @davidmilisock5200 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Finally a useful tool for use in the field.

  • @GTWGamer
    @GTWGamer 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video thanks

  • @elterga6224
    @elterga6224 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It’s important to note that you should find references wherever you live. You should try to find average sizes of objects, people, trees, bushes, etc at different ranges so you can get a feel for what they’re supposed to look like at different ranges. You shouldn’t be engaging anything past 500 yards with rapid target acquisition with this method, but it’ll get you in the ball park where you can make corrections as needed

  • @Modern_Warrior_School
    @Modern_Warrior_School 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Great video as always. Not to take away from your point that math is slow, but in the use case of recon or filling out a range card, where time is not of the essence, counting mils and calculating the distance in a calculator may still be a viable option. I don't think there is a single "best" range finding device for all situations, so its a good idea to train with and carry a variety.

    • @kerbalairforce8802
      @kerbalairforce8802 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A slide rule style chart on rite in the rain, or laminated that says "if 6ft is 3mils, then it's ###yds away"
      In a grid format for quick reference.

  • @SatanasExMachina
    @SatanasExMachina 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Every topic you and Brass Facts cover always happens to be one I have started researching the week prior......GET OUT OF MY HEAD HOP! Lol, thanks for all yall do.

  • @brad6054
    @brad6054 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice thanks for the thoughts

  • @Doomer17018
    @Doomer17018 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, that ranging card is very neat. I made the mistake of buying a very cheap laser range finder thinking my max distance is ~400 yards so how bad could it be. It’s very useless

  • @canal10centrado
    @canal10centrado 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    On a follow up to this subject i would like to sugest you also check out the method of range finding using the parallax ajustment. This is used in some target shooting competitions, but it may not be viable for every field use activity and you need to have a scope with parallax ajustment, and onde you max it out theres is nothing you can do about it.

  • @Headcrabman9999
    @Headcrabman9999 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That range-r card is so sick

  • @typorad
    @typorad 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have a similar bushnell range finder I paid 180 beans for and it can technically reach out to 800 yards but I found free standing I'm lucky to measure 300 yards on a tree. I strapped it to a 2x4 and holding a 2x4 gives a lot less shake than free standing, that let me pull measurements on trees to more like 400 yards. The longest measurement was like 570 yards on a very distant house. This was out in the flat forest and farmland of central IL.
    I guess moral of the story, don't be surprised if in real world conditions you can't get a reading at long range.

  • @RecreationalSniper
    @RecreationalSniper 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The way you speak and the way your videos are put together reminds me a lot of s2 underground

  • @kemsmith
    @kemsmith 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely love my solo r/t! EDC for me!

  • @noahkolis7014
    @noahkolis7014 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good Info.

  • @deltathirtyfour
    @deltathirtyfour 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great vid!

  • @zadamany9255
    @zadamany9255 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Some LRF lasers are in the high enough wavelengths where they are extremely difficult to see under night vision, even if you are looking for them. Also the Russian Spyder is not the only helmet mounted system capable of detecting IR signature, the Helstar 6 is also capable of this if you get the add-on. I’m not sure if civilians can get them, however.

    • @HaloDude557
      @HaloDude557 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Those range finders cost like 10k.

    • @caseysmith8831
      @caseysmith8831 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How sensitive are the sensors? Could one laser range find object in the vicinity and not set off the device?

    • @zadamany9255
      @zadamany9255 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HaloDude557 my Vortex range finder for $200 is a high enough wavelength where it is nearly imperceptible under nods…

    • @kerbalairforce8802
      @kerbalairforce8802 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think you mean lower frequency. Higher frequency is closer to visible red, and NVS can 100% see visible red

    • @zadamany9255
      @zadamany9255 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kerbalairforce8802 I was talking about a higher wavelength, which would be the same as a lower frequency. It’s the same thing (for the sake of the conversation).

  • @SPRMarksman
    @SPRMarksman 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hop has discovered the magic of kuiu attack pants

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      What a great pant

  • @Joe_Not_A_Fed
    @Joe_Not_A_Fed 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    There is also the Google earth, or similar GPS map software with distance measurements technique, or even paper maps if you're Luddite inclined. Your average MK 1 eyeball is good enough to recognize landmarks, so it should be good enough to pick something off of a map to measure in relation to your position. It's pretty basic boyscout stuff...or was until the distance to your next gender took priority over the distance to your next shelter.

    • @1olddirtroad
      @1olddirtroad 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well said ! Unfortunately a great majority reading this won't understand "Luddite" 😅😅

    • @clothar23
      @clothar23 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@1olddirtroadWhile the term Luddite might be beyond some people anyone with a working knowledge of English is going to understand the context at least.

    • @JazzerciseJustice
      @JazzerciseJustice 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What does gender have to finding shelter? What does it have to do with anything?
      Transphobes say the dumbest shit.
      Bro really trying to blame trans people for people's inability to range find, fucking absurd, we live in a clown world.

  • @agroshotzz2894
    @agroshotzz2894 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Would have liked to seen the practical aspect of hitting man sized targets at long ranges with the different methods rather than the theoretical limitations.
    For example, seeing how off the range-r card is on a man size target compared to moa/mil ranging with getting hits on big steel torsos at 500yds+
    The best I heard was that the laser range finder was the best, but how much better? a few inches on a torso (probably doesnt matter) or a few feet?

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      After about 500 yards bullets are almost all dropping like a rock, so multiple feet is probably a low end estimate.

  • @lucasvisser3864
    @lucasvisser3864 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:12 And this is exactly why I'd want ine cyber eye and just have a hud lens for the other.
    Also i appreciate the Deus ex mention. I love the games and setting. It ought to be more mainstream.

  • @nazrarri8341
    @nazrarri8341 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    short king remark def earned you a like from a short king

  • @SnowblindOtter
    @SnowblindOtter 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You failed to mention the Mil-Dot Master or other Slide-Rule style ranging tools. I use one for my airguns, alongside an Athlon BTR MRAD reticle, and I'm getting used to ranging things accurately enough to pop a soda can out to 200 yards with a .22 pellet. They're very useful.

  • @atlas4733
    @atlas4733 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    mil rangefinding can be easier in metric. Use your target size in mm, and with no multiplication (by 95.5) you will get meters. Remember: it is very easy to understand the height of common objects *provided you do not convert to/from imperial*

  • @hambone950
    @hambone950 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    keep this mental note too... learned this from john mcgee
    Range finding
    100 face
    200 no face
    300 no hands
    400 no head
    500 no light between legs
    600 triangle

  • @johnbeauvais3159
    @johnbeauvais3159 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Like the card you can use your thumb as a ranging tool, the distance from your thumb to your eye and the thickness of your thumb can be used to create a proportion and then derive distance using similar triangles.

    • @clothar23
      @clothar23 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Assuming you passed trigonometry that is.

  • @treyjudy9929
    @treyjudy9929 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow your audio sounds better! Idk what you did different but its quite good. What mic are you using???

  • @kajhelin6822
    @kajhelin6822 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should read the MSR 2 reticle manual. Lots of good stuff on ranging in real world situations. Also you can learn how accurately you can really mill with practical examples. Also the American formulas for milling are extremely complex. Target size in millimeters/size in mils is the simplest and fastest method. Standard shoulder width is 500mm. 500mm/1 mil = 500 meters to target.

  • @ethanlorton8568
    @ethanlorton8568 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How often do you go and shoot hop? Like out of 30 days, how many are dedicated to shooting days? Do you just bust all these out in a couple trips or do you go each week? I’m so curious! Thanks man, you rock.

  • @invalidusername4732
    @invalidusername4732 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The best low tech range finding are the good ol fashion eyeballing it or the thumb trick

  • @swisswildpicsswp3095
    @swisswildpicsswp3095 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Of course a modern laser rangefinder is a great tool. But a bit annoying to carry around. Ranger cards seem like a cool, rugged tool though!
    And you forgot about the simplest, yet nerdiest rangefinders of all: thumb parallax! Thales theorem, baby! Try it, you wont be disappointed. If you measure your arm and interpupillary distance, you can get pretty precise with some training and experience.

  • @rklkify
    @rklkify 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In regards to weird battery sizes, take a look at the vortex VIPER HD 3000, it takes CR123s

  • @f308gtb1977
    @f308gtb1977 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Good stuff Hop. I went with a teeny tiny Leupold LRF, 1600 I think it is. It’s great but I don’t know if I would ever be able to hold it still enough to get a decent reading at even 800.🤣 If only I could get a greyhound bus to park next to whatever target I need to bounce the laser off of.

    • @fullm3taljacket
      @fullm3taljacket 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just be aware that Leupold only has a 5 year warranty

    • @f308gtb1977
      @f308gtb1977 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fullm3taljacket 👍🏻

    • @highdesertdrew1844
      @highdesertdrew1844 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is why a LRF that has a stud mount to attach to a tripod is a an essential feature.

    • @f308gtb1977
      @f308gtb1977 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@highdesertdrew1844 that would be awesome for fixed positions.

    • @highdesertdrew1844
      @highdesertdrew1844 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@f308gtb1977 if something is far enough away that you need an LRF to determine it's distance and engage it, you are in a fixed position 😉

  • @darthhodges
    @darthhodges 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Eotech likes to mention how using the circle in their reticle allows you to estimate range, though it's only accurate to 200 yards and useful to 300. But then it's a (holographic) red dot so if your target is too small to range that way you are pushing the limits on that optic, anyway.

  • @jekkjace3817
    @jekkjace3817 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Deus ex is great, underrated reference hop

  • @XRinger
    @XRinger 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi Hop! My very old bushnell 600 RF uses a standard 9v battery IIRC. Have not changed it in a few years. It still works great.
    Anyhow, your comment about giving away your position with the IR Laser, got me worrying. Can you show us what it looks like? Does it look like an IR targeting laser?
    Making someone think that you're aiming a rifle at them?
    Since I don't have any NV gear, I most likely won't use the RF at night. Is there gear that can detect my RF laser in day light hours?
    I'm going to walk around my house tonight with the RF laser running and play back what the security cameras see..

  • @TannerSwizel
    @TannerSwizel 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not sure I heard this stated in the video, but pocketable style laser range finders often don't work very well at super long distances. The beam scatter can be too broad or may even be misaligned slightly, and this could lead to reading the range of something other than the target. Anything out at a distance where drop is meaningful, I wouldn't bet my life on a pocket range finder unless it gives me first shot hits reliably in training

  • @Clockwork0nions
    @Clockwork0nions 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Really need to replace the write in the rain with a laminated card that you can fill out, and have a pocket calculator.
    Helped me while doing fire support stuff for 4 years in the Army.

  • @MysticMungusSlungus
    @MysticMungusSlungus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    11:40 Hang a weight/heavy bag off the hook on the bottom of the tripod midsection to help with stability. Photographers do this all the time, it's what that hook is there for.

  • @andrewbrown6522
    @andrewbrown6522 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For shorter ranges i visualize posts in a line with about 30 feet between them. Seems to work alright.
    Tbh its hard to range with a unit in archery spot and stalk.

  • @jordanbryson7162
    @jordanbryson7162 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Us short kings love you too hop!!

  • @BandAid350z
    @BandAid350z 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A map and a compass with landmarks is a good way to range, albeit less accurate than a laser range finder.
    “This road to this road is 550m.” Or “I’m on this contour line halfway up the mountain and the target is on the opposite ridgeline. The distance and heading is 700m and 270*.
    FWIW maps and a compass don’t require batteries and don’t have a IR signature and if laminated are very water resilient. You can even make an angle calculator very similar to the Range-R card.

  • @basedbalaclavaman7011
    @basedbalaclavaman7011 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My buddy Dave has an aug and a hellion. I'm a long length of pull autist so I love the hellion's stock, but even I keep it at the shortest setting. I like the VHS quite a bit, but the aug is fun too. My main complaints about the aug are the god awful mag release and the fact you're stuck with the front vertical grip if you don't feel like spending half the cost of the rifle

  • @RangeDayBro
    @RangeDayBro 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Hop, I think you’re way too smart to be a TH-cam gun guy. I feel like I’m listening to a doctoral research paper on every topic you create a video on. I need to take notes while watching your content 👌🏽

  • @Horseysauce
    @Horseysauce 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is pedantic but mils arent metric. You can plug yards into the formula just as easily as you can meters.
    (Height of target in yards or meters X 1000)/ height of target in mils gives you your answer in whatever units you plugged in originally.
    Using inches or centimeters can be more accurate but estimating a person at 2 yards tall keeps the math easy

  • @skibur848
    @skibur848 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m ready for in 15 years when Hop becomes the next Paul Harrell

  • @norgtube
    @norgtube 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Hahahahaha watching you trying to do math in real time, my goodness

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      That segment had to be edited for time.

  • @sconner5424
    @sconner5424 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the video, I have been looking at the SoloRT for a bit and this helps.
    Would you happen to have the make and model of the circular handguard at 5:55?

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ALG V2X

  • @randomidiot8142
    @randomidiot8142 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    You know you can use imperial units and mils together right? You can use moa with the metric system too.
    Mil and moa are just two different ways to use triangles.

    • @clothar23
      @clothar23 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can but the metric and mil combo makes a quicker formula. Since for example the average shoulder width for males is 41cm. You can round that down to 40 cm so it simply becomes dividing an even number.
      It won't let you hit dinner plates at 1000 meters every time but it's good enough for human sized targets.

  • @kgchrome
    @kgchrome 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    look into geared tripod heads for setting up spotting scopes and cameras.

  • @joshmajor8662
    @joshmajor8662 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve tried em all and I have the worst luck with rangefinders haha 😂 I’ve got a Bushnell one and a nicer one too and they both freak out at 15 yards or less, further away they’re great!! Lol 🤷‍♂️

  • @ronnywestad4892
    @ronnywestad4892 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    truemiller is also a very good manual tool to use for calculating range.. I use this and it is very acurate.. it is not for moa users since this is for mil scopes

  • @Treblaine
    @Treblaine 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about triangulation? Even a small pocket theodolite can very precisely measure the bearing a target is and communicating with a buddy who is a known distance away and also has a theodolite taking a bearing on the same target. You can get small pocket theodolites but this requires clear and prompt communications over about 100m distance which may be a good idea. Low power short range radios are so important.
    And I think it's really worth it to extensively map out an area you intend to defend and precisely track your position when moving through it. If you know exactly where a river or treeline is on a detailed map and you know exactly where you are then you can passively distance with sufficient precision.

  • @bass779
    @bass779 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Just drop a mortar or a bomb. Speed of sounds is around 350m a second. Count after you see the explosion until you hear the boom. *Multiply* by 350 and that is your range

    • @applied.precision
      @applied.precision 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Think you mean multiply. But that's good to know

    • @warnumenscodpiece3055
      @warnumenscodpiece3055 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Hey Billy, how far do you reckon that deer is?
      Let's find out, FIRING!!!!!

    • @CutlassOutdoors
      @CutlassOutdoors 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Can't believe I haven't been using this hack this whole time.

  • @tyler9881
    @tyler9881 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For MOA you can do 100s out to about 300-400 yards for a good enough measurement

  • @mohammadraza4740
    @mohammadraza4740 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    shout out short kings frfr 🙌🗣💯💯💯💯

  • @randomexcessmemories4452
    @randomexcessmemories4452 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I wonder if you could scuff up the Range-R Card a bit in order to make it less detectable from reflections. This is really useful, and I will keep this all in mind! Lastly, are there any relatives of the old stereoscopic or coincidence rangefinders which have become portable? Those seem like they could be a good mechanical alternative to a LRF if you don't want to be detected.

    • @declineofthewest.
      @declineofthewest. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think if you hit it with a heat gun or hairdryer it will cloud the plastic. Just don’t melt or warp it

    • @randomexcessmemories4452
      @randomexcessmemories4452 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@declineofthewest. Seems risky, given the possibility of melting.

  • @jpk9171jpk
    @jpk9171jpk 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m looking at 2 scopes for an spr style rifle. the leupold you have and the new ffp 34mm March 1.5-15x42. Downside the March costs more and a larger bell. Upside it has more optical zoom and is slightly lighter and shorter than the Leupold. Curious what your opinion is?

    • @ChemistyStudent
      @ChemistyStudent 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Get a Primary Arms GLX with any of the HUD/DMR reticles if you want max versatility. The etched reticle range finders are extremely useful, and you can still use Mildots because they're built in.

  • @conradpad5811
    @conradpad5811 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wonder if it would be possible to measure distance using a FFP LPVO and comparing the length of the hash mark at fully zoomed out VS the length of the hash mark at the target somehow? I guess you’d still have to have a known reference down range

  • @xXMOTOXPYROXx
    @xXMOTOXPYROXx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What do you think about the cheaper mountable laser rangefinders, such as the RM1200LRF from Fall River Shooters?

  • @NiMi93
    @NiMi93 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wish that R card came in yards (and 1000m is too much for me; 600 is sufficient)

    • @SuitsTheRedcoat
      @SuitsTheRedcoat 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      1 metre is 1.1 yards, so just add 10%

  • @caseysmith8831
    @caseysmith8831 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What was the shooting sticks I saw you using? Could be handy?

  • @durkhurker6268
    @durkhurker6268 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey, at like 5:50 what kind of light cover method is BrassFacts using? It looks like it's possibly raining, so impromptu or planned?

  • @protectpersevere2030
    @protectpersevere2030 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A lot of high end guy recommend the sig rangefinder binos but to expensive for me currently. I’ll stick with my vortex rangefinder and monocular

  • @moses_irl
    @moses_irl 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sorry if this was in another video I missed, who makes that shingle on your rig, with the utility pouch up front?

  • @datpudding5338
    @datpudding5338 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Luke flexing his smaller hitbox

  • @Marauder224
    @Marauder224 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    if you know anyone who works at a golf course/country club, see if they got any laser range finders that have been in lost&forgotten. You can get a good $400 dollar valued range finder that way. You'd be surprised what sort of expensive stuff people just leave behind and dont bother to come back for at these places

  • @stephencooper5040
    @stephencooper5040 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Out in the sticks, it’s useful to know how far out of the ground your neighbors fence posts are.

  • @GuagoFruit
    @GuagoFruit 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there no scope like a rangefinder camera? You line up an overlaid image and read the range markings on the device once the target from both images overlap perfectly.