HEMA | Swordfish 2016 - Open Longsword FINALS
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Fight for 3rd place (02:11): Anders Linnard vs Kristian Ruckonen
Fight for 1st place (16:17): Federico Dall Olio vs Michel Rensen
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WITCHER MUSIC noice
Not only the music is great, it also doesn't have strict copyright policy.
Easiest way to say thank you to the author is to follow him on soundcloud:
soundcloud.com/marcinprzybylowicz/sword-of-destiny
It's supposed to be pagan. In the world of The Witcher Christianity doesn't exist and there is power in mysticism.
You should really read the books or play the games and tell me you still don't like the music.
it is not pagen as it is not religious, it is more inline with traditional music that the cultures the witcher is based off has
Pagan tradition is our tradition bro.
what is so great about the fucking witcher though? I haven't played it. or anything thats come out basically since they stopped making xbox360 games. so i can't say its bad. but it looks like the same spin-move throwing video game stuff you had in games like fable 2 (minus the throwing your sword in the air, spinning around before catching it and delivering a killing "flourish") what is with the overlap between HEMA and video games and between the less popular HEMA channels and the witcher specifically?
1:30 Sorry bud, Invincibility frames don't exist irl like they do in dark souls
Pretty decent use of the roll actually. Not something i'd use but still.
I believe this is called a, "portrayal of dominance"?
I really like the way you implemented the slow motion (stops, replays in slo-mo, shows colored strike points, then picks up at normal speed).
Very well done and much appreciated!
The commentators need some work though (not that you have anything to do with that, just saying). They keep talking over each other and what not...
Thank you for your kind words, SchmokinJoe.
Swordfish tournaments are getting better with time in my opinion, but sometimes things just happen I suppose. ;)
There's always space for improvement, both for the tournament action and for people who record, comment, and edit videos of course.
this was awesome, the red and blue bubbles in the slow mo is genius, you earned a sub. (music was great too)
Thank you, Eric, I'm happy that with particular editing we can combine both entertainment and educational value in one video.
I've begun taking HEMA classes and it's so much fun to watch these matches and try to pick out things I've learned. It motivates me to keep training.
Hema should be in the Olympics!
Martial art from all cultures should
In the Olympics HEMA cease to be High Art.
It would be nice but putting in the HEMA there endangers it to be oversimplified like Olympic Fencing and forsake its historical accuracy in martial arts.
I don't think so, most cool stuff would have to be banned and more sport oriented, just look at some of the rules these competitions already have
Not HEMA, but definately certain styles like the Longsword
Those prizes are great! Actually relevant to the sport and useful. Or a beautiful ornament.
Practical and beautiful, the best kind of presents!
Finally, SloMo! THANK YOU! :)
Right, like how difficult was it? :)
Schwertschwinger its pretty bad slowmo they could definitely do with high quality cameras with better fps
1:29 too much dark souls mate
But that execution..! :D
wow i love these historical swordfights. if it was a real fight and i had to choose a weapon, i'll choose the referee's stick.
nothing cheapens a victory more than having the announcers make excuses for your opponent. linnard has a sore knee....we know.
these announcers really really love linnard. its hard not to notice their obvious preference between the two fencers.
Anyone else think one of the commentators sounds like Belethor from Skyrim?
This is basically a suggestion to Matt Galas to try the voice acting career? :D
th-cam.com/video/Yqlx_uxO_RA/w-d-xo.html
Eeeeverything you need
That comeback from Linnard though :p
Aye, keeps you on the edge of the seat!
Fantastic video and great to see SloMo!
I'm a journalist in the UK making a short film on Longsword Fencing. Would you mind if I used some of your footage from this video in my project?
Hi, thank you for kind words.
Please, feel free to use the footage from this project for your movie.
William Brittain this is swordfish though not longsword right?
Geralt apporves this video
I feel like danilov had his Adidas tracksuit, matching with his shoes, on during that match but we couldn't tell under that armor. Classic
that moment when you realise these guys could turn Olympic fencers into ribbons
You'd be surprised how useless a sword like this would be against a rapier. What looks like a flimsy, wobbly point of metal is still able to pierce your neck or face in a second.
Look up Portuguese vs Samurai; rapiers made such short work of Samurai that Portuguese sailors weren't allowed to bring rapiers on land, and Samurai had swords forged to be lighter with a double edge to be able to fight back...
Disembowell the Samuria use different fighting styles and wear different armor. If what you say is true, then why weren't rapuers used extensively on battlefields? The only one that comes to mind is the estoc, but that can be considered a longsword.
Fencing foils and épées aren't the same thing as rapiers
All of you are fucking wrong.
Every
Last
One of you.
Let me go through a list to keep thoughts concise:
1. These guys wouldn't be turning Olympic fencers into ribbons, the fuckers are hitting with the flat of the blades and being rewarded for it.
2. Rapiers are not flimsy or wobbly, what you're thinking of are fencing epees/foils.
3. Rapiers weren't used in the battlefield because of the fact that in a battlefield setting, you have shields, spears, and many other weapons, Rapiers are very bad at battlefield situations due to how you're supposed to use them, they are highly efficient dueling weapons however.
Hetuni Jakhal tell that to my colt .500
sometimes they srsly dont use the edge of sword but the flat of it.... it shouldnt be a point for that.... like wtf...
A hit with a flat is still a hit if it can't be established otherwise without the help of slowmotion replays (which indicates that hit is not exactly flat as you portray it). As far as we know, clear flat hits don't yield points if that's what you ask about.
ye, thanks for reply and upload this for us :) Hopefuly next year it will be as good as this year or even better :)
Depends, if you want to do guild fencing the goal wast inflict a bloody headwound so certainly possible with the flat. A hard hit with the flat on the head will still be able to stagger the opponent enough to finish off
its like any sport, blame the judges for misjudging!! xD kinda hard to see in a split second aswell and the four judges dont always have good vision, should be more like other sports where the judges can confer over details like that.
Remember that this is fencing, not a real battle. If you start swinging swords blade first at people's head they die
I am very much an amateur when it comes to fencing. I have no doubt I would be sorely outclassed in that aspect of competition....however, what are the wrestling rules? They seem to be an almost a modified Greco roman rules. I saw some lower body takedowns, but no true single or double leg shoots. I wrestled varsity all through highschool and finished my final year of college in division 1 going 48-2. Wouldn't mind competing in that part of the competition. What are the rules and weight classes if any?
Dear Friedel, I do believe it's something worth a try, here are the Ringen tournament rules for Swordfish 2016: swordfish.ghfs.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Ringen-Tournament-Rules-for-Swordfish-2016.pdf
Thank you so much for your reply. Very interesting rules.
How do I enter the wrestling category? And what are the rules? I feel like I'd mop the floor with them coming from a high school and collegiate wrestling background lol
Dear iancoheekelsey, here are the Ringen tournament rules used for Swordfish 2016:
swordfish.ghfs.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Ringen-Tournament-Rules-for-Swordfish-2016.pdf
Some more up-to-date information can be found on official event website:
swordfish.ghfs.se/ringen-rule-set/
What a wonderful video! Thank you for removing the sound from the slo mo replays, it was pretty weird last time :p
Thank you, I'm happy you enjoy the upgrade!
In the end it's all thanks to suggestions and commentaries of our dear viewers!
HEMA Olympics? I like how wrestling is included
I'm from Italy and I didn't know this happened until now. Damn. Gotta train more.
This is interesting. I used to practice kendo and love swordplay in general.
That intro!
by 2:15 is was so psyched i forgot what i was watching.
This is one of the coolest most interesting things I've ever seen.
Linnard diserved that win imo still good fight but thay comeback at the end woop
That chick hold the stick nice
witcher muisc ❤❤❤
This will never be an Olympic sport because it is treated too similarly to fencing. If the majority of matches didn't devolve into tapping contests it might get a better following.
HEMA is interesting and fun to practice, but the actual competitions are far too safe and dissimilar to the fighting it is based upon.
Nice cut and awesome summary of the finals!
Thank you, Björn!
Guy: shoots high crotch
Announcer: NICE SINGLE!
jeez my cellphone has some better slow mo footage...
Have to say, I think swordfish needs to change its double hit rules. I found the 3rd/4th match to be far more interesting as the fight for first had far too many double hits - very sporty and is something we should be avoiding
hallowedfool What do you suggest would be better?
ElBurro I tend to prefer the rulesets where double hits negate all points for both parties.
I would also be interested to see how the rulesets where both fighters are disqualified should they exceed a certain number of double hits fare - I haven't personally been under this rule but I'd be willing to try it because I think the reasoning behind it is sound.
Yeah, both fighters made risky attacks with little concern, and their footwork was very bouncy as well - well-suited for a gym floor but not really for a realistic floor.
I completely disagree.
Not all doubles are the same. E.g. if you go out of a simple bind just to hit the opponent on the leg, the opponent will stab you in the chest/head (if he's mentally present). I think it is just that this will set you back one or more points.
If you count all doubles the same you won't be punishing such attacks. Also, when you see that your opponent is hitting one of your vital areas (chest/head), e.g. with a Schielhau, instead of parrying you just throw in some cheap double at the legs to nullify a perfectly proper and well earned point.
Punishing doubles after a certain number will lead to extremely cautious and defensive fights, where you stay at a distance and go in for a quick thrust or snipe the hands or legs. A contest of Zwerchhaus will be much too risky, and so will be a multitude of other, mostly some of the most interesting techniques.
Also, there is no precise border between a double and a slightly delayed afterbow. To complicate things, this also depends on whether you count the initiation of the movement or the actual hit. Punishing doubles will lead to less afterblows, as depending on the speed of the opponent (which is impossible to predict), your current movement might be an afterblow or a double. I think afterblows are vital, as it demonstrates that you didn't just go for an opening while leaving yourself vulnerable or unable to parry.
For such reasons, I think factually making no difference between afterblows and doubles in relation to scored points makes a lot of sense. It also has the great benefit of less analysis, work, and subjectivity by the judges.
Swords and grappling, this is the sickest sport
Very true! ;)
Fiore de'i Liberi (medieval master of arms) has a lot of grappling techniques described in the fencing context:
th-cam.com/video/4GoQlvc_H3s/w-d-xo.html
Guys, honestly i dont like when they stop im just thinking that the point should be made when the thrust or cut make the opponent body jitted to the other side of the hit
WITCHER 3 SCORE!!!!
What? sword and wrestling and that karate brick thing but without bricks and using swords? is this the MMA of sword?
Linnard was amazing. Even with a knee injury he performed so goddamn well.
And yet another nice takedown and Siegmund has the mount! His Jujitsu is so amazing that he's barely breaking a sweat as he works to improve his.... Oh my god oh my god oh my god.. . Ah, please excuse me, ladies and gentleman um, ah.. our new champion is.. ah, Lionel.. I think? Defeating Siegward 4 minutes into round 1 by way of approximately 12 puncture wounds to the stomach and kidneys of the ah... deceased former champion. I...
Gefeliciteerd met de tweede plek Michel! you gave us a pretty fight!
So both swordsman would have sustained major injuries in battle lol
Nice edition. Please keep it up. Hope you get some more technical fights.
Thank you! I'm open for suggestions so if you spot something interesting out there drop me a comment. ;)
I have to wonder what was considered a hit back when these weapons were actually in wide use. They had tournaments back then, obviously, so I wonder if the hit had to be more solid. They don't have the sort of assistance technology some of the bladed sports do in the modern era.
Perhaps it is my inexperience, but I have to wonder how many of these tap hits would actually have done actual damage in battle, when mail and gloves and armor were in play.
I know HEMA is sportsy, but I don't see how half of the hits on the head would do anything to anyone in a real fight. I think the styles and movements get weakened by going for points rather than whats effective.
totally agree with you
There's a difference between "Bloßfechten" and "Harnischfechten" +Ryan Showalter.
These strikes _are_ lethal if not for the blunts and the protective gear ('cuz, it's sportsy and all).
The technics for fighting an opponent in [historic] armor are a completly different beast and not so popular (yet?).
I think Longpoint features some Harnischfechten in the tournaments. For some examples I'd like to refer to Hammaborg. You'll find plenty on YT if you want to know more ;-)
Ryan Showalter I can assure you that although hema looks "sporty", those feders hit HARD. I can assure you that a sharp longsword hitting a bare head can definitely kill
Sharp 1.5kg of steel hitting you on an unarmoured head in a real fight (these tournaments siulate unarmored combat)? Yeah... They would
There are advantages and disadvantages to the tournament fighting and you can find many discussions on the matter. Care is being taken to try not to make the tournaments too 'sporty' so they still attempt to resemble what they might have looked like historically.
There are arguments against these events and the 'sportification of HEMA', as it were, but I assure you that strikes to the head are not one of them
Bernd Kosmahl I think that the main thing in speaking of difference between sport and martial art is not the real efficacy of a single hit (at least in hema) but the strategy behind them, and the overall attitude of the fighters
We need this in my country
What country is that? Maybe there is a club and you just don't know about it?
www.hemaalliance.com/club-finders/
The music is nice but its way too loud
The replay parts are strange to watch because they just suddenly cut people off from talking and seem added in later. Otherwise really, really good.
Nice to see someone editing this fights properly. Good work!
It is my pleasure, Arthur. Glad you enjoyed it!
The intro music was the perfect level of dramatic.
So many double hits... Is there no solution to this problem?
As annoying as it is, it's not like participants are doing it on purpose - more strict rules could help, but I believe the problem comes from the techniques implemented in the binds from both(!) fencers.
I would agree, punishing doubles has its own drawbacks that can complicate and distort everything even more, leaving e.g. to very defensive fights where you tend not to go into close-in combat (a double while doing Zwerchhau vs. Zwerchhau is often just a matter of difference in intiative, speed and angles). Fencers instead stay at a distance and look for a quick cut or thrust and retreat. Looks more like modern epee fencing then (I'm saying this with no judgement involved). I think this fight and the utilized styles are only a temporary development in tournament longsword fighting, especially because they both didn't clearly prevail against other fighters in the previous fights. Also, at least 2 thrusts to the mask were not seen at least by the judges (which is understandable due to the speed and follow up motions). At some point, you'll have to use counters to the Zwerchhau, and they do exist. They just take quite an amount of skill to do against someone as quick and cunning as Michel.
There is a solution but.. its kinda permanent..
Oh, black Köning Gloves on Anders?
I see you spotted the new black version of the Köning Gloves! :)
I added the card (new YT pop-up system) in the video with the link to the latest review, here it is if you missed it: th-cam.com/video/er_teZYEVgw/w-d-xo.html
The video thumbnail of their faces would be totally in place as characters in the Witcher.
is it not allowed to go in to the ringen in the open open longsword? no one does t even if this is one of the best ways to get your aponent without getting hit.
This is great, but a camera with more fps would be VERY useful.
Can't disagree, and this is something people do work on (hopefully it will be implemented soon). Hosts of the event and recording team are two different organisations, hence the final result is an amalgamation of two visions.
Rensen shoulda won that. Also the Italian dude is way too arrogant. :p
You guys need better video cameras!!!! Great fencing.
I would say one extra camera shoothing the action from above would be a great start! :)
Thank you for the comment!
The original video has better quality but no editing. th-cam.com/video/bvJ_9BnifMM/w-d-xo.html&
Судейство странное. Мёртвые не наносят ответных ударов
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I feel like a Judo BB would dominate these grappling exchanges.
Kristian is fast 😊🤔😊😊
I think a cool idea for a sort of tournament would be a mixed weapon tourney. So you would enter with whatever weapon you choose (perhaps limit the length and maybe put some safety regulations so no sledgehammers and such) and it would be randomly selected who goes against who. I think it would be interesting to see all the different weapon types and styles clash, and how people react. Who agrees?
Also, before the smart-arses come, melee weapons only so no guns or crossbows and such
sir you are my hero. this video is amazing
Thank you for your kind words!..
Nice silver!
Awesome, never knew this existed until a week ago pretty awesome.
Wow.... the judges were wrong so many times..... why dont they just use video to determin the outcome of the match instead of outright judge wrong
Using video has it's advantages. But there are some drawbacks too. And I think that the largest is time. It will take a lot more time to go over video than to simply call it as it happens. Most events are struggling with tournaments taking too long time as it is.
As it is now, some judges simply don't see the action because the fighters are in the way. That's why you need two people to see you score and not all of them. Similarly, if you used video you would need at least 4 differnt cameras and hope that by studying all of them you understand what really happened.
With video the outcome would perhaps be more correct. However, even with the system today with judges that has a hard time to see what happens, and are indeed in many cases simply wrong, I think it's very uncommon that the outcome of the match would be different.
As long as the judges are equally wrong when scoring the two fightes, it will even out in the end. =)
Anyone know what gloves Anders was using and if they're available in the U.S. ...?
Köning Gloves :) Available here: www.saintmark.se/ I think they can ship to the U.S, but you can always contact them, more info on the website.
curious what the woman with the stick is doing.
fede...sei un cazzone....bravo però complimenti
dang what is that wrestling
Ringen :) swordfish.ghfs.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Ringen-Tournament-Rules-for-Swordfish-2016.pdf
I'm writing a fantasy story, and one of the characters is a sports champion.
I told my people about him, "think, Tiger Woods, or Roger Federer... he's huge at what he does", and this, actual swordsmen in their actual turf, is really different.
this is not a show for the audience.... this is people practicing their sport, and letting the audience in on it, and sharing it with the audience.
they could easily do it without the audience, and it would still count.
they still put muscle and wit into it, and they get tired the same, without the hero worship.
that's something worth writing.
I didn't reply back to you on the day, Nighthawk, but just want to let you know - well said. Please share the link(?) to the story when you'll finish!
what kind of longsword are they using? I find them beautiful..
its a rennaisance federschwert, a late medieval training and tournament weapon.
i see alot of hits that are not counted for linnard.
lol 2:05 "2006"
I see you are one of those people who are easily entertained? :D
ViciouSExorcisT It's a good trait!
Can't disagree, can't even say I'm not exactly one of those people either. ;)
+Judicial78 You don't know what anno in logotypes mean? It literally means year but you read it as "since" or "founded in". I.e. "Est 2006" or "Since 2006".
I think Judicial knows, but it makes him very happy for some reason... As I see it - easily entertained. :D
AXES
29:10
This exchange decided the match but I am wholy unconvinced that would do any serious damage, let alone award 2 points.
It would likely cut an unarmoured opponent but c'mon. There was hardly any contact at all.
Have to agree, but as the head is considered to be an imporant target (...) I suppose awarding 2 points makes sense, since you need to award something anyway and it comes down to either (as an option) deducting one point with this whole "superficial cut" point of view, or awarding two points, as the sword reached it's target even though it wasnt a knockout strike. That being said, we all should agree that if judges will start bending rules on the go during the match it will not lead to anything good, but, having a discussion here in the comments - that's what this whole recording was made for.
I am not really qualified to say whether or not it is a good thing, but it just felt greasy and undeserved. Like he stole the match.
I suppose you are right though. There is no way to gauge the power, alignment, or follow through of a hit in this form of combat. A hit is simply a hit.
@@jeorhan1262 he didn't steal anything, blame the judges if you want not Federico.
Dude Linnard was coming back
Can someone spell for me the technique used so much in the 1st place match?
Zwerchhau
th-cam.com/video/ln94E9AGYTc/w-d-xo.html
Ha! Witcher 3 soundtrack!
That slow-mo music gets old real fast.
That was a problem, but other options were either too dull or were getting even more repetitive over time. The quest of finding the golden middle continues. ;)
im all for HEMA and learning sword fighting but that barely touched your wrist BS is stupid and annoying
I believe it's important to acknowledge the hit if it inflicts a damage that could result in blood being spilled. Why? Rules for many of the last swordfights at the end of the fencing era were till the first blood (with most exceptions coming from France and Italy as I can recall).
Nevertheless, I do appreciate the fact that a clear body hit is more satisfying to watch. :)
what looks like "barely touvhing the wrist" is a quick snapping motion and all it takes with a sharp sword to cut the tendons clean if you are unarmoured. cutting the thumb is also devastating as the thumb is the most important finger for even holding the sword.
federico
feder-ico
he has hacks on
Is there such thing as "closed" longsword then?
Yes, the women's longsword is closed to anyone who isnt a woman.
everyone that steps onto that mat should be wearing protection. i feel that that ref is just one poke away from no more refing.
that witcher sound track thou
да
I really tried to give this a shoot but the slow down "recaps" to show the hit were annoying as hell, just let me see the sword fight holy shit.
It is important to analyze the quality of strikes in particular format of the competition. If you want to see a continuous fencing match you can give this a try: th-cam.com/video/8_AIR_BMljU/w-d-xo.html
Is Swordfish only a German tournament, or is there Fiore too?
There are many practitioners from both traditions each year.
Anything goes. But more on particular discussion here: www.reddit.com/r/wma/comments/424e4p/italian_vs_german_why_is_fiore_rarely_seen_at/
what's the song on 1:16?
What is begin soundtrack??
It's written in the video! :) "Sword of Destiny"
That music is so cool
Where are the axes?
are these thin swords historically accurate?
The Federschwert, or Feder sword, is a training sword that was used in Fencing schools during the Renaissance. Perfectly designed, the Federschwert served to safely practice full speed combat among practitioners, while reducing the risk of injury. The Federschwert greatest attribute is their similar weight and balance to real swords of the same period. The Federschwert is shown extensively in the fighting manuals of the 16th century, particularly those of Paulus Hector Mair and Joachim Meyer.
thanks! excellent reply
FLYING HELLFISH LIVE ON
13:54 breathtaking
is it hard to get into this sport? expensive? does it hurt?
Karl, as any sport it hurts sometimes, but it's not expensive on the entry level, so nothing should stop you from joining! :) As for the club finder: www.hemaalliance.com/club-finders/
Thank you, I think I will give it a try.
What swords are they using?
Federschwerter (or just Feder)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feder_(fencing)
The Witcher music is legendary! LELEY LELELEY LELEY
This shit is so exciting. Better than most major league sports
Hej carl hoppas att det var kul! Hahaha
Jag är ludvig!!!
what is the grappling called
Sorry for the late reply. I believe you ask about Ringen? swordfish.ghfs.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Ringen-Tournament-Rules-for-Swordfish-2016.pdf