Joachim Meyer - Kunst des Fechtens

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  • @JahnosSardonis
    @JahnosSardonis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +194

    The song choice is hilarious. They are literally saying "Why do you kill me? Why are you treating me so poorly?"

    • @thepunishersequence291
      @thepunishersequence291 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why is this funny?

    • @titusjuventiuscelsus9758
      @titusjuventiuscelsus9758 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      HA

    • @santiagoz.s.1024
      @santiagoz.s.1024 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@thepunishersequence291 Cuz its a really "solemm" song about a guy saying literally "Hey, why are you so mean to me?"

    • @stanlim9182
      @stanlim9182 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Plot twist: the longsword was the one that’s complaining

    • @omari2306
      @omari2306 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You forgot
      "I siendo tu, tan mal me tratas, mi matadora." It's a romantic song from the renaiscance meaning, that cheating should not be a thing in a Spanish relationship.

  • @taylorahern3755
    @taylorahern3755 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    So this is exactly how a Fencing match would be conducted in late 1400s-early 1500s Germany (southern Germany to be specific)?? Amazing!! And what a fantastic demonstration. Just superb! You have such swordplay down to a sweet & fancy science. And the period clothing & costumes that you chose to wear really honored & beautifully highlighted the rough time period that such fancy & outstanding swordplay came out of & represented (1450-1550!). Great Job!! That was a real joy to watch! Keep up the excellent work👍👍👍

  • @JosephBHZ
    @JosephBHZ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    The singers asking why their women treat them so badly and calling them killers (matadora) went pretty well with the girl showing great skill

  • @JTWilliams74
    @JTWilliams74 9 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    I would be interested in hearing the female fencer's thoughts on fighting in a dress and what difficulties it presented.

    • @amelieeilken611
      @amelieeilken611 9 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      +Jake Williams Von Starcher That actually turned out to be less problematic than I expected. The movement in the upper body is barely restricted at all and as long as I kept the low stance and sticked to big, single steps, the lower dress didn't bother me too much, either. But the dress did cause problems when it came to double side steps or multiple smaller steps.

    • @JTWilliams74
      @JTWilliams74 9 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Interesting, thank you for the response by the way. Dresses aren't your typical everyday HEMA wear but I do see the importance of fencing in historical clothing if we want to understand it better.

    • @amelieeilken611
      @amelieeilken611 9 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      +Thunderchrist Ministries International I was actually inspired by a painting of Emilie of Saxony, but you are none the less very close (so close that I am genuinely impressed) - it is a drawing of Cranach and the dress itself is very similar to the dresses in the paintings of Judiths.

    • @kaizen5023
      @kaizen5023 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      +Amelie Eilken, well done lady, you are my new crush

    • @SurmaSampo
      @SurmaSampo 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I know plenty and when the dress is designed for it there is an advantage to be had in obfuscating the exact location of the legs and feet.

  • @caseydubois3645
    @caseydubois3645 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I've got to say, while I'm more of a Fiore guy myself, I can really see the art behind, and the effectiveness of, the Meyer system. I really should get around to studying it. Maybe once I wrap up my Fiore studies.

  • @kaizen5023
    @kaizen5023 8 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Best longsword video I have seen online. Clearly you are fencers who understand the flow, distance, timing, and also the "true place" as Gentleman George Silver would say. Greetings from a Meyer student at Salle St. George in Seattle, Washington USA.

    • @callusklaus2413
      @callusklaus2413 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The heck, I have never heard of your group, I'm with Grit City in Tacoma, I fence with Lonin all the time, is your group still together?

    • @BubblewrapHighway
      @BubblewrapHighway 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I lived in Seattle and Tacoma for a year each and never heard of either group.

    • @ニュース番組て政府の感想
      @ニュース番組て政府の感想 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's also have in Japanese ...(reasnable action stil)
      イタリア語になってたらスマソ

  • @ArxenZaonox
    @ArxenZaonox 8 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Wow, this video is extremely helpful. I am currently studying this style in attempts to teach myself using guides and books as well as well done videos such as this. Currently I have only practiced movement, stances, and defensive blocks. I was just recently taking a closer look into how to correctly parry and attacks, but my comprehension fell short. This video illustrated many techniques I have read about and attempted to visualize. Some didn't quite make sense to me. However, after seeing this video, I have had certain maneuvers suddenly click and I have had answers to some of my questions about positioning answered. I plan to refer back to this video when I begin my offensive training. Great job!

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      +Arxen Zaonox Thank you very much! We will start to produce new Vids like this in Summer. Also many new technique Videos will follow. Stay tuned and thx again for your Kind words :)

  • @sethlifelong4250
    @sethlifelong4250 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bjon
    You should be an actor!
    You people are great! All of you.
    I feel like you all would have made great soldiers.

  • @JosephBHZ
    @JosephBHZ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The singers asking why their women treat the so badly and calling them killers (matadora) went pretty well with the girl showing great skill

  • @veritasetcaritas
    @veritasetcaritas 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is still one of my favorite videos on your channel.

    •  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      thx mate :)

  • @noahpayne5065
    @noahpayne5065 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I notice something I find interesting in this video, as opposed to others I've seen on historical fencing. The combatants don't seem to change the position of their hands on the hilt of the sword; if the left hand grips the pommel, it stays on the pommel. Other videos, likely inspired by different fetbutche, show maneuvres where the combatant changes their grip quite often.
    I find this interesting because for the man in armor, with a hand protected solid lames of steel, the unmoving position of the hands would probably easier. Very fascinating video!

  • @vladimirmazurin2521
    @vladimirmazurin2521 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent!!! And girl with sword is amazing!)

  • @WeissM89
    @WeissM89 7 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    WTF. I'm Spanish and I almost didn't realise the song is in Spanish. It says something I would translate as "Say, moor bitch, say, killer(?), why you kill me. Being yours, you treat me so badly". I'm speechless.

    • @DenysNerysPlay
      @DenysNerysPlay 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      For me almost the same translation, I speak Portuguese!

    • @stormgeddon
      @stormgeddon 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      WeissM89 a mi tambien me ha costado

    • @eluves
      @eluves 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me so speechless too, Madrid typing here lol

    • @longyuanchuan
      @longyuanchuan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jjajajajaja justo lo que estaba pensando xD

    • @El-Silver
      @El-Silver 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      really yo lo note inmediatamente aunque por 1 segundo crei que era portuges

  • @Ghastly_Grinner
    @Ghastly_Grinner 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I really enjoy seeing the point being used to thrust often I only see edge stories being utilized in longsword videos

  • @wacky.racoon
    @wacky.racoon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can't stop flinching when watching videos without protection gear !

  • @marceloferrari4242
    @marceloferrari4242 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Técnica muito bem demonstrada,ótima instrução

  • @Gloin79
    @Gloin79 7 ปีที่แล้ว +146

    This is 100% wrong the pants need to be WAY puffier

    •  7 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      yep it cant be puffy enough :D

    • @Redsuit11
      @Redsuit11 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      1000% more puff needed clearly

    • @edi9892
      @edi9892 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don´t think they got the form, they deserve, but they are very loose and could be quite comfortable, depending on the fabric. That´s something to think about in summer...

    • @markusjack9208
      @markusjack9208 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      skill is secondary due to the puffiness of our panties!!!

  • @georgefreesamurai
    @georgefreesamurai 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Schön die Grundlagen gefilmt und untermalt.

  • @christopheresquire947
    @christopheresquire947 7 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    may i ask where you acquired those majestic pants, dear Sirs?
    Edward

  • @Priestbokmei1
    @Priestbokmei1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You guys have really good control! Great video! 😀

  • @Shindai
    @Shindai 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very cool, great music, love the costumes.

  • @user-rh1io
    @user-rh1io 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This is AWESOME! if you speed up the video to x1.5 their swordplay is 10 times better than movie sword fight I've ever seen!

    • @stephena1196
      @stephena1196 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That is true without speeding up the film.

  • @Judicial78
    @Judicial78 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    3:39 I am assuming that attack does double damage and rolls two dice?

  • @horrorhouse16
    @horrorhouse16 8 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    i think this is your best video!! make another one like this !!!

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      We want to... :)

    • @horrorhouse16
      @horrorhouse16 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Nice!! im exited to see it!! :)

  • @earlkzb
    @earlkzb 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your channel is gold. A great support to the reading of Meyer!

  • @kiotonizaki9831
    @kiotonizaki9831 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ótimo vide-o... bom para treino gostei ganhou um inscrito.

  • @NICEFINENEWROBOT
    @NICEFINENEWROBOT 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is fine art. Don't know why filmmakers mostly ignore that.

  • @Jonathan_agurto_9Bernal
    @Jonathan_agurto_9Bernal 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    bellísimo,poético, señorial y heróico,felicitaciones!!

  • @juanpablogonzalez8528
    @juanpablogonzalez8528 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video, this have been invaluable for me, thanks

  • @DonRomualdo
    @DonRomualdo 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very nice. I liked the flow.

  • @Shiresgammai
    @Shiresgammai 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very well done! Did some movie studios hire you as fight choreographers in Germany? I ask because I believe that you would do a splendid job!

  • @GamerMax
    @GamerMax 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You made it look good. Like the music.

  • @jaderayven
    @jaderayven 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very fun. Hope to see more like this.

  • @Gaius453
    @Gaius453 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:00 is this the intro?

  • @Kumofan
    @Kumofan 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Dost thou not end thine opponent rightly?

  • @Warszyc
    @Warszyc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank you for the motivation

  • @thecasuallongsword
    @thecasuallongsword 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video!

  • @Warszyc
    @Warszyc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    beautifull soundtrack super tatcher

  • @DavidNefelimSlayer
    @DavidNefelimSlayer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beautiful

  • @Joe-ci3te
    @Joe-ci3te 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In the future is there any chance for some videos with German renissance music in the background? Maybe something at least semi-local to Meyer's region.
    Anyhow, beautiful work and good job.

    •  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We will work on a second video like this in the future. I keep that in mind :)!

  • @zoolkhan
    @zoolkhan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    hatte die lady in ihrem viktorianischem autfit eine zeitmaschine? da liegen doch mindestens 300-400 jahre dazwischen :)

    •  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Das passt eigentlich ganz gut zusammen. Männer und Frauen tragen hier typische Kleidung der frühen renaissance des späten 16. Jahrhunderts :)

  • @horrorhouse16
    @horrorhouse16 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    whats the name of the music on the beginning and on the end of the video?

  • @IAmACrab2020
    @IAmACrab2020 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Can I ask where you bought the clothing for the men?

    • @IAmACrab2020
      @IAmACrab2020 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      thanks man though that website is hard to navigate rip though any idea if they ship to the US?

  • @TheGodTell
    @TheGodTell 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    beautiful!!

  • @kenanacampora
    @kenanacampora 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dear sons of Vikings...great job.

  • @Borissh89
    @Borissh89 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This video made me realize my hat game is weak.

  • @robinmarks4771
    @robinmarks4771 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Which federschwerts are being used? The ornate crossguards look amazing.

    •  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pavel Moc 16. Century Federschwert

  • @Fulgrim_The_Phoenician
    @Fulgrim_The_Phoenician 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perfection!

  • @paulmurphy216
    @paulmurphy216 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Try watching it again at 1.5 speed. Not as instructive but really cool. The music sounds a bit off though ;)

  • @thedukeofskull1383
    @thedukeofskull1383 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    VERY INTERESTING ! 👍

  • @Vitadoc01
    @Vitadoc01 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sehr schön!

  • @Adamcadabra91
    @Adamcadabra91 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I need to see this in like super slow motion, I can't register the moves because im unfamiliar with the technique. Even if I saw the steps in slow motion, how do you know what moves to use and remember everything in the fast paced heat of battle? This stuff absolutely take skill!

    • @danielsmith5664
      @danielsmith5664 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      in the german tradition we call it Fuhlen. Translates to Feeling. Basically it's sensitivity training, and your muscles develop a sense for varying pressure and you can just respond based on that.

  • @titanscerw
    @titanscerw 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    pure awesome

  • @lichterwald
    @lichterwald 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sehr schönes Video!

  • @earlkzb
    @earlkzb 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Which music did you used for the intro and credits?

    • @earlkzb
      @earlkzb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Found it, it's a part of La Negrina from Mateo Flecha: th-cam.com/video/g_zrLRJs5Pg/w-d-xo.html

  • @ciro43
    @ciro43 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Muy bueno.

  • @dorad100
    @dorad100 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't like the Meyer style of fencing, but this looks beautiful!

  • @HadrianDan
    @HadrianDan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Best part 2 minutes in continuous fight without either side wins with retreat and stance changes and duel kept going before a decisive conclusion. Like a tennis match where both sides play for a long time is finer game

  • @honeybear278
    @honeybear278 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Toll gemacht!

  • @victorlui5955
    @victorlui5955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🖤

  • @JRT176
    @JRT176 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    May I ask what camera you use to film these? I love your work and I'm looking to film some Mair interpretations ;)

  • @witcher_helms5144
    @witcher_helms5144 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey Hollywood...this is how Nobles should be fighting in your movies!!! Not swinging their swords like baseball bats!

  • @thebobbytytesvarrietyhour4168
    @thebobbytytesvarrietyhour4168 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where did you get those swords?

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +Alex Hutchins Pavel Moc from www.swords.cz/

  • @MelvinDukowski
    @MelvinDukowski 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What's the music?

    • @kurtdolezal1915
      @kurtdolezal1915 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      do you know this musik? the name of this song?

    • @kurtdolezal1915
      @kurtdolezal1915 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/hrJleyQwqV0/w-d-xo.html

  • @DoctorTooploop
    @DoctorTooploop 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the woman is breaking my immersion

    • @annoyed707
      @annoyed707 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      But Yoda, Ewoks, and The Force don't?

  • @tomekjan79
    @tomekjan79 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    it's unbecoming of knight and a gentleman to attack a dame like that !!!

    • @desaturatedair
      @desaturatedair 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      the knights of said era, literally kidnapping kids (gilles de rais) : "What does the word ‘Unbecoming’ mean?"

  • @kalvinchester4068
    @kalvinchester4068 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where did you get the costumes?

  • @flavioaecioalvati4095
    @flavioaecioalvati4095 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice see a women fencing 👍💪

  • @thibaultghesquiere
    @thibaultghesquiere 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brillant!

  • @larsf92
    @larsf92 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    where did you get the pants from?

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +fockmen They were tailor-made from www.historical-costumes.eu/

  • @UniversoNOLIFE
    @UniversoNOLIFE 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    name of the first song please ( woman singer)

    •  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      SAN SABEYA GUGURUMBÉ (La Negrina) - Mateo Flecha "el Viejo"

  • @ヤメロー
    @ヤメロー 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why he hold sword ring hilt inside?

  • @derarty4290
    @derarty4290 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wo bekommt man solch Schwerter her?

  • @kombatunit66
    @kombatunit66 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this vid. KdF!

  • @Hellion73
    @Hellion73 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome, but read somewhere that in those times, in a sword to sword fight, you must avoid almost all blade to blade contact, because first you should aim for the flesh and vital points of your oponent, and second to prevent over damage to your weapon, which were very expensive back then 🤔

    •  6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hi Oskar! That must be an awful source. That is just nonsense :) Blades in Europe are made for bind and parry. Also your first intent is your self-protection.

    • @Hellion73
      @Hellion73 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @ Björn Rüther Hi. And yes, you're right, i didn't meant to say all the blade to blade contact, but the "Hollywood" clinking metal to metal contact, for the reasons i mention and they explained. Even if we know there are mayor differences beetween asían and euro sword combat, that source extended the explanation to samurais, and their swords, saying that those weapons, been sharped lethal and all, were not made to bind and parri, but to cut, and even thrust with the apropiated tech, but never in the way movies despict them, because the metal was more fragile than the europeans, thats why samurais trained to be fast and to end a fight quickly. So, the people who wrote all that, tried to apply the same principles, in some extend, to euro "duellists" on their explanation.

    • @danielsmith5664
      @danielsmith5664 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Hellion73 When it comes to japanese sword styles, part of the reason they focuses so heavily on cuts and not bind work was because the swords themselves, while beautiful, were of fairly low quality. If you hard block something with a katana it'd just warp or even break. Whereas a longsword is designed to take much more impact.
      katanas were a personal protection weapon designed to show status and defend a samurai in civilian settings/times of peace.
      Longswords were battlefield weapons that dealt with people in full plate armour and needed to be sturdy.

    • @Hellion73
      @Hellion73 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danielsmith5664Yeah, thank you for the rep, and answear to my doubts about the matter. Ohhh i been infatuated with all about sword fighting since my chilhood, wish i could be near peple like you to train, practice and have access to first hand knoledge, but i have to conform just with books and videos like yours to figure things up 👍

    • @danielsmith5664
      @danielsmith5664 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Hellion73 Try to find a friend who wants to practice with you. Sometimes just having people with a willingness to learn and a bit of time with manuscripts/books can go a long way. You could also try to find a LARP group near you (totally not the best way I know), but it might give you a safe place to try techniques.

  • @Williaem00
    @Williaem00 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sorry but 1:38 ! : )

  • @neptun8450
    @neptun8450 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wie lange habt ihr gebraucht, bis ihr auf diesem Niveau wart?

    •  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nicht sehr lange. Nur ein paar Jahre wöchentliches training hatten wir damals bisher gehabt. Wir wollen irgendwann mal ein remake dazu machen denn vieles gefällt uns heutzutage nicht mehr :)

  • @madbaum
    @madbaum 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sehr cool!

  • @eugenekyte6783
    @eugenekyte6783 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Кто эта девушка? Мое почтение!

  • @100RAmen
    @100RAmen 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    bravo! brothers!

  • @omari2306
    @omari2306 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mi matadooora porque me matas porque me matas, tan mal me tratas tan mal me tratas, i love the 16th century boy.

  • @GhostCell47
    @GhostCell47 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Impressive.

  • @AA-wd2or
    @AA-wd2or 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ottomans have total different tehinques and weapons

  • @bruisedhelmet8819
    @bruisedhelmet8819 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think this confusing love triangle could be resolved over a long drink and a short talk.

  • @robertfogelberg7538
    @robertfogelberg7538 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Si well done

  • @rgarcia7392
    @rgarcia7392 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was cool.

  • @moonshinetheleocat1235
    @moonshinetheleocat1235 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I fear anyone who can sword fight in a damn dress.

  • @anthonyrobinson7715
    @anthonyrobinson7715 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lovely

  • @luzdekandil
    @luzdekandil 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hahaha que buena música

  • @can9546
    @can9546 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    For honor looks better in 2k18

    • @can9546
      @can9546 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Camolaik zalog uspeha

  • @jamesonahill
    @jamesonahill 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, im so bad at sparring. I can never defend right. I'm very bad at predicting moves

    • @danielsmith5664
      @danielsmith5664 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      One thing that has helped me, is just understanding that there is only a set number of movements that can be done in response to your action. If they do something that is not one of those set moves they die, or double with you.

  • @societyofhistoricalfencing7836
    @societyofhistoricalfencing7836 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    KdF for life!!!!!

  • @mrmoustachio3069
    @mrmoustachio3069 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oooooh, so this is where the intro came from/

  • @eugenekyte6783
    @eugenekyte6783 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Почему с голыми руками? Где перчатки?

  • @Velkan1396
    @Velkan1396 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Heyyyy, spanish music :D

  • @derarty4290
    @derarty4290 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:46 decent

  • @gibbinifugg
    @gibbinifugg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    SwordAreScary!

  • @nikolausklinger489
    @nikolausklinger489 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    minute 3:40 ist das alle3beste!!! XD

  • @gonzomanxx
    @gonzomanxx 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    ¿y siendo tuyo, tan mal me tratas?

  • @arlekin66490
    @arlekin66490 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Las disputas entre caballeros de condición humana era con la esgrima noble arte , Putin reta a zelenky como hombre de honor que eres, un reto a espada entre los dos, y deja de tirar misiles, demuestra el honor ruso con una lucha cuerpo a cuerpo