6.5 Cartridge Comparison - Apples to Oranges
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My grandfather gave me a 6.5 x 55 for my 16th birthday a while ago. It was from 1917. Still shoots amazingly
That is because it is an amazing rifle with a great cartridge. That build quality in a rifle is not made anymore. Cherish it.
My6.5x55 shoot great it is a1919
I have a 1900 6.5 x 55 (Obendorf)
I have a lot of different rifles but this is my favorite. 121 years old and still shoots lights out.
Crazy how those old girls still shoot so well 👍🏽🇺🇸
@@markrulis110 I'm looking at one just like you described right now for $450 cad. It's a little beat up in the stock but I think it's a steal of a deal
Still going to keep my 6.5 x 55! Got a Sako that shoots under dimes, and I bought it 30 years ago.
THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THE 6.5X55 RULES! I have my sporterized Swede (I did NOT chop it, I received it to save it ) since 93', and I just picked up a Tikka T3X Hunter in this awesome cartridge.!
@@ed5042 We, the master race of scandinavian countries, have known the 6.5x55's superiority for ages! Only lately, the 308 has gained ground as the most common caliber. For new hunters here we recomend 6.5x55 or 308. Ammo is cheap (relatively so) and rifles comes both new and used. The 2nd hand market for 6.5x55 is large, 50% of the used rifles are in 6.5x55. Its a well rounded caliber.
I terribly regret selling my M96/38. It was in near mint condition and shot small groups even with the rudimentary open sights. So soft in recoil. I greatly miss it.
@@jmkhenka what I cannot get over, my sporterized m96; 24 inch barrel, drop in european walnut stock, 1903 Gustav with original barreled action and trigger guard and floor plate, original military trigger, I promise I did not chop this one, was a gift, using the cheap PPU 139 sp, consistency sub 1/2 moa three round or four round groups with various shooters off of a homemade sand bag at 200 yards. The shooters don't believe me until they can do it themselves. They just shake their heads. Scoped of course with a straight 6x. NO work done to the trigger , love that old two stage! No bedding, no pillars, nada. Been carrying that to the range and woods for 27 years! I of course have two m38's and an M96
A man over here harvested 1500 plus Moose with a 6,5 55.
Of the two you compared, for me, the hands down winner is the .260Rem. I can make cases from .308, 7mm-08 or .243Win all day long if I can’t find .260 brass. Performance is on par with the Creedmoor and is a sweet shooter. Of course I do love my 6.5x55SE as well. Been doing the job for a LONG time.
6.5x55mm (6.5 Swedish)
The 6.5 is a very old cartridge that has always been extremely popular in Europe, and for good reason. It has been an excellent long range competition cartridge with excellent 6.5 bullets available. There have also been companies such as Lapua and Norma that have always loaded superb match grade ammo for it. Over the years I have become a fan of this cartridge based off of its history, pleasant shooting qualities, and great long range accuracy. Unfortunately, the 6.5x55 has never really been considered for much long range shooting in the USA, although to serious long range shooters and European shooters its no real surprise at how well this cartridge does. In the USA there was a brief bit of interest in this cartridge a few years ago but the thing that has hurt it recently is the introduction of the short action 6.5 cartridges such as the 260 Remington, 6.5x47 Lapua and 6.5 creedmore. These all produce performance on par with the USA loaded 6.5x55 ammo, but in a short action. But, you see, the 6.5x55 actually has more case capacity than the others but because there are so many very old rifles built and chambered for this cartridge, most of the USA manufacturers are not willing to load this cartridge to its potential. Instead of labeling the ammo "modern firearm use only" they have decided to handicap everyone using the 6.5x55. In Europe, this is not a problem so Lapua, Norma and others load it to much higher velocities. HSM here in the USA is also working on a hot version of the 6.5x55 with the sierra 142 SMK as well and that should be out very soon and readily available for the USA shooters.
The 6.5 has long been known for its excellent accuracy and absurdly high ballistic coefficients. With some of the European loads available and with HSM introducing a full capacity load, the 6.5 can be seriously considered for sniping. Additionally, I can really see the benefits for Law Enforcement applications, as it generally shoots a lighter bullet then the .308, but heavier then the .243, falling nicely right in between. The 6.5 deserves consideration for military application also, and has been chambered in some older military sniper rifles (WWII vintage). The round actually outperforms the .308 match loads in both the 168gr and 175gr, and its less susceptible to wind and arrives on target with as much energy at ranges over 600 yards. The penetration should be good as well with the superior sectional density of the 6.5 bullets. The only other problem I can see is the lack of sniper grade weapons chambered for the 6.5. But most of the custom sniper rifle manufacturers will chamber their rifles in any caliber the purchaser wants (Sometimes for a small additional fee). Hopefully rifle manufacturers will realize the great potential of the 6.5 and start to produce their sniper rifles in 6.5x55, though with the popularity of the other 6.5 short action cartridges, I doubt this will happen.
Recommendation: The 6.5x55m makes a very good Law Enforcement round as well as a very capable military sniping cartridge. When using the heavier bullets the round is excellent at ranges up to and potentially beyond 1000 meters far out performing the 308 rounds.
www.snipercentral.com/6-5x55mm-6-5-swedish/
WELL SAID. The old Swedish 1893 battle rifle is spot on, grouping cloverleaf patterns at 300 meters with open sights. My longest kill at 400+ meters knocked a heavy Kansas doe to the ground with the impact. A sleeper sniper round.
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And a hand loaded Swede will outrun a Creedmoor all day every day.
That’s coming from an owner of both.
Please ignore the complainers Ron. Most of us enjoy your excellent well detailed cartridge comparisons. Most of us are mature enough to revise old favourites or except the adequate performance we are used to. Technology moves on.
The best cartridge is the one you can find ammo for, and shoots straight enough to make hits inside your ability envelope. Too many people want a cartridge/rifle that shoots 0.5 minute, but struggle to hit a milk jug at 100yds.
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Not me I'll be struggling at 1km!
EXACTLY
All the time
The best comments I have ever seen, I couldn’t agree more, thanks for sharing your thoughts and ideas and expertise
6.5x55 Swedish the original and does the job...
Does it fit in an AR10 platform or AICS mags?
@@joshjamesguitar no but its great in the AG42b semi if you can find one but it shines in a bolt action. Tikka sako M96s are chambered in 6.5 swede
If I can't shoot my 6.5 Swede then I'd be shooting the .260 rem! But I can't really find any reason to use anything other than what I'm already using so I'm not going to worry about it! It'll do everything that I've asked it to without any problems or failures so far and there's been a few times over the years where I stretched it a little more then I should have and it's proven itself to me each time!! Whatever you choose just remember that the more you practice at the ranges that you might want to take in the field the better you'll be when that time comes!!!
Yep, not fitting in one particular rifle is to reason to disqualify one if the best 6.5 carts out there.
@@mkshffr4936 Yes it is. I want a cartridge that's affordable and versatile that fits in my AR10 and bolt gun that I can hunt with shoot a PRS match with or just have fun with at long range. I have other calibers for specialized needs like 375 Cheytac and 300 PRC but I want my short action cartridge to be versatile because the more I can do with it the more cost efficient it becomes.
I still love my 264 Winchester Magnum
6.5x55 simply because it's everywhere here in Scandinavia.
IS the 6x55 can stop instantly a boar ???
@@gregdelasavoie2105 I'm not sure as I don't Hunt boar
@@gregdelasavoie2105 yes, it has more than enough power to drop a boar.
@@gregdelasavoie2105 I've been hunting feral pigs in Australia for years with the M96 6.5x55 swede . Most of the time we just shoot with .223 more than adequate to drop 100kg plus wild pigs.
@@dagamore ok.. thanks
I love what you did there! Eliminating everything that might compete with the 6.5 CM to appease sensitive feelings! Love it Ron ! 👍👍
Im a 6.5x55 fan, but im glad for the 6.5 creedmoor as that has made the 6.5mm bullets more common again, after years of fewer and fewer options. Now the market has exploded. And the gun makers are also seeing this, so before you often got a 6.5x55 with 1:8.66 or 1:9 twist, but now most new 6.5x55 use the 1:8 twist, guess to cut down on the number of barrel blanks they have. This has given even factory made 6.5x55 rifles new life, with long VLD projectiles.
Before people usualy had custom barrels made with that twist, and thats not feasible for hunters as a new barrel (in sweden) often cost as much as a new rifle if you consider the cost of a competent gunsmith.
but now someone can buy a sauer 100, tikka t3x and many other really nice rifles that can shoot quarter moa of of the box, and also work great at 500+ meters.
Here the STR200 is the template for what a 6.5x55 rifle is, but mainly used for competetive shooting. PRS and ELR shooters still run custom systems, but unless you need a magnum (338 etc) the 6.5x55 is the way to go.
The 6.5 Swede is the OG. Had one in a Tikka and wish I never sold it.
Will get me another in 6.5 lapua eventually but the Swede started it!
I have always loved the 6.5 rem mag. I have never seen it on a shelf. I wish they would come back out with it. I understand that the 6.5 prc is close but I still love the rem mag and always will. I have taken most of my big game with 6.5 rem mag.
After 50 plus years, I finally had to rebarrel my 700. Went 26 inches. We'll see how it does with the extra barrel length.
Another thing with the 6.5x55, most load data (hornady for instance) has relatively low pressure, they figure americans load for the m96 and kraag.
but modern rifles shoud look at SKAN load data, a bit higher pressures but still safe. Its basicly 308 pressure for modern rifles, you gain alot more velocity and then it outshines the creedmoor while still beeing safe, as the x55 has more powder capacity.
Pretty hard to beat the old school Swedes .love mine .
Reloading handbooks should have two sets of data for the 6.5x55, one set for military surplus rifles and a second set for modern firearms with huge red warnings across the pages for surplus rifles
Love my 260 Rem for hunting and feel really good about having brass in 308/7mm-08/243 family.
I'm tossing around 260 Ackley in mine.. love the 260 Rem!
I like my .260 Rem, too. Not a lot of recoil and puts whitetails in the freezer. I don't reload and there aren't a lot of options for the .260 Rem so I got a 6.5CM a couple years back. Pretty much identical but lots more options for ammo.
@@bznbrian 260 ackley improved...
I have always been a 6.5 nut. I bought a .264 Win Mag when I was 17 in a pre 64 model 70. I just handed that rifle over to my grandson. If you could see it, you could put it on the table with that rifle. My collection of 6.5’s are all good shooters, but my current 6.5-06 A-Square is my favorite.
I am a gunsmith and have built 4 260 Remington guns. I will likely never own the Creedmoor as I know the differences are so insignificant over a 260 Remington it is not worth the cost of a reamer.
I shoot bench rest, but I have always been a hunter first. So I have taken game with most of my military surplus rifles in various calibers and the same for my gun builds and commercial rifles/handguns.
It goes back to the old sayings of shot placement, know your limits and don’t over load you mouth... any cartridge/rifle is good if you have confidence and know how to run it.
Great video as always and keep it up.
Something I took into account was brass. The 260 can easily be shaped from 308 brass. In today's world having that option is important to me. I am a 260 rem shooter. Very good round.
Great video as usual. Thank you.
I'm old school! I like the .264 Win mag I do wish factories will start making 1:8" twist barrels for it. You can load it hotter than the PRC. The win mag had a reputation for burning up barrels. I think with modern powders that burn cooler that would be a non issue.
It's a long action.. Not apples to apples.
If you buy European ammo they load to higher pressures for newer rifles.
And I think a few older rifles that will handle them.I always buy Norma.
264 win mag came out whit 1 in 7 " twist
I love my pre '64 model 70 .264 Westerner.
I wish you would have at least introduced the old persimmon, the .264 Win Mag. Together with the 6,5x55 SE these have been my go to 6.5s for all of my adult life (I'm almost 71 yo now). I do not mean to appear to complain. I appreciate all of your articles. Keep up the good work.
I’m having a 6.5x55 swede built, and it’s renowned as a great cartridge but it’s not allowed for wild Boar in Germany or France but I believe is allowed everywhere else in Europe.
I’ll be using it mostly here in England anyway for Muntjac deer and Fallow.
About 15 years ago I got lucky enough to find and purchase a rare 6.5 Rem Mag in a model 700 BDL with a 24 inch factory barrel. The factory wood is absolutely beautiful. Bought up ever piece of brass I could find and love touching off every hand loaded pill sent down range. Drops deer and pronhorns like they've been hit by mack truck, their lights are out before they touch the ground.
Still not convinced anything in this range can beat the tried and proven 6,5 x55 Swede.
The creed has effectively replaced it. You have far greater availability of different factory Ammo as well. I personally prefer the 6.5 lapua but they are all good calibers
I will always be willing to listen to new cartridges and load data, but of all of my 6.5s the 264 win man will always be my first go to cartridge. As a gun nut I would like that to change eventually, but for now nothing I own is as impressive
You don’t have a 26 nosler
Lol Dylan Bob you're not trying to compare a fad cartridge to a tride and true belted magnum are you? Take the ballistic charts 140 gr accubond your 26 is 2183 ft/sec at 600 yards my 264 with the same bullet is 2480 ft/sec. You sir are comparing slow pitch softball to a laser beam
@@kody7316 congrats on your hand loads I guess? I shoot 142 ablr our of my 26 btw
@@kody7316 You can load that 26 nosler faster my guy
People can own more than one rifle with different cartridge's. Not sure why people say things like "I'll just keep my "x" rifle because its just fine". People get butt hurt over facts it seems.
Optimum performance for the .260 Rem is obtained with 120 gr bullets It's crazy of the commercial cartridge loaders to load 140 gr bullets. The .260 Rem loaded with 120 gr bullets and 4831 powder offers performance virtually identical to the .270 Win loaded with the traditional 130 gr bullets, in a short action rifle. Unbeatable for deer and elk hunting.
I have a 30-06, it works for me. I can get ammo everywhere, all kinds of variations.
Right on! I've had a hard time understanding the furor over the 6.5 Creedmoor. Almost exact ballistics as the 260 rem and 6.5 Swede-Swede can actually beat it in modern rifles. Throw in a few others like 6.5x54 and 6.5x57. All essentially the same. If you insist on a short action I don't see the Creedmoor doing anything the 260 rem won't do. Marketing is a powerful tool I guess.
SAAMI spec 6.5 creedmoor has a lot of advantages over the 260 Remington. It’s got a longer neck for long heavies, sharper shoulder angle to keep a larger powder charge while keeping the case short action, and the SAAMI twist rate of the 6.5 creedmoor is actually capable of stabilizing bullets heavier than 120 grains. The old 1:10 and 1:12 twist 260 Remington could never keep up with the creedmoor.
The only reason modern 260’s have a faster twist rate than SAAMI spec is because the creedmoor exists and they needed to compete. The only reason to buy a new 260 is because you don’t like the word creedmoor.
Up until the Creed the .260 wasn’t loaded with high B.C. bullets and rifles didn’t have appropriate twist rates for heavy bullets
It is really common in AR style rifles. Basically, in a lot of the US, if it isn't in an AR or in 9mm, it doesn't exist for a lot of shooters, which is silly, but it is what it is.
@@LS-oh8kv the bilistic
yea i hear a lot of people saying that this or that round has never been tried and it is a wonder round only for somebody to have made something damn near identical 100+ years ago.
I have a 6.5-284. Works just fine.
Edit: it’s my favorite, maybe tied with the 9.3x62
I have two of them, The "F class" is only a bit more accurate than the hunter. Both under MOA !!
My Savage Norma is pushing hand loads of Hornady 123 SST's and 143 ELD's at 3100 and 2910 fps respectively and 5 shot groups of .33" and .36". Awesome cartridge, who cares if it's long 😎.
Can't believe I just recently found this channel. Great content👍
Ron people with no common sense will always try to cut you or your video down no matter how good it is but just know most of your followers and viewers appreciate so much what you are bringing to us as content you have brought a lot of good information and data to help people determine things they would like to buy or use and I just want to say thank you so very much and keep doing what you're doing God bless
Not too long after the 264 win mag came out my grandfather built one. I remember my dad telling me how he used to borrow it because he could ethically take longer shots when hunting down in the mountains of West Virginia. My father now owns the rifle since my grandfather has passed and he figures its on its 3rd or 4th barrel. They never cared about replacing barrels on the 264 because that particular rifle was built to run max loads.
You missed my favorite 6.5 round, the 6.5x54MS. And I have the rifle to go with it, Model 1903 Mannlicher Schoenauer with the double set trigger. It may not be as flashy as the Creedmore but it has a certain type of style and class the Creedmore will never equal.
I am old with guns, ammo, and scopes, but new to great advice. Thank you for the great videos. Keep up the good work.
How can you talk about 6.5’s without mentioning the 264 win mag
Great video mate, you forgot one caliber, the 6.5 x 47 Lapua
Probably one of the best
No .264 Win Mag either
I like my 6.5x55 swedish.
One more thing I have used weatherby mags all my life with them belts never had trouble with feeding ejecting or accuracy I've always had excellent accuracy with my weatherby belted magnums and I love them
Hey, good stuff!! Love the attention that the 6.5 calibers are getting. Moderate recoil, good hunting cartridges in this space. The 6.5 Swede and 260 Rem never got enough love in the US, but the Creedmoor spotlighted this category - and has us all talking about 6.5 cal. Dig it . . .
Thanks Chit.
Thanks for the quality content, Ron. I really enjoy your channel. I loved this particular episode and it’s format. As a fan of the 7mm-08, it would be awesome to see a similar episode with 7mm cartridges. Heck, 30 caliber would be interesting as well! Greetings from central Kentucky.
It seems that the Remington 6.5 magnum was way ahead of it's time. I had never until recently even heard of it. They or someone should reintroduce it with 1:8 twist barrels.
I've had 2 6.5x55s one was a full stock military rifle and the other was a Husqvarna. The 6.5 I have now is the 6.5-06 in a custom 1903 Springfield action.
Great to have u back on youtube
I like the 6,5x57 R. It's my intermediate calibre between the 7x57 R and the 5,6x50 R Magnum. As I see it, it's a calibre for break-open single-barrel rifles.
Very informative. Thank you for sharing. Love my 6.5 creedmoor. And my 6.5x284
My wife has a 6.5 Norma that’s an unbelievable tack driver. It’s the most unpicky round I ever loaded for. Her father gave it to her. I’ve always wanted a 6.5 swede. But I really love my 270 wby
I watched this video at least 10x never gets old
Love my 6.5 creedmoor I finally acquired bunch of ammos this afternoon
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Don't believe it kids, that old swede your dad has works basically perfectly. I have a Tikka in 6.5 x55 swedish. Its everything youve ever hoped for in a deer cartridge.
Awww what a good pup. Who wants a belly rub.
That’s a good pupper
I surveyed a deer and pig which 6mm was the best cartridge, since they are in the position to give the best feedback.
They all said the same thing.
Fantastic overview. Thanks for imparting your knowledge. Thinking of having a 6.5 built in the near future and this was spot on!
6.5x55!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I've got a 6.5 Grendel in a Howa 1500 mini-action. No barn burner. But, if you want a fun, easy shooting, accurate rifle and cartridge that will take deer out to 200yds with no problem. This is a hard combo to beat.
I also seem to remember, my dad had some hunting partners. They had Spanish made 10 gauges, double barrel. They used to experiment with loads. When the geese were up on oxygen, they would load special 3 1/2 inchers in the chambers. The guns were then rested on a stout stick on the ground. They would then guesstimate the general flight path of the “V”, tilt the barrels, pull the triggers. A few geese did fall. But the Canadian geese that we got still had pellets in their down layers. Only Canadian geese were armor plated. Not the snows or blues. My brother accidentally shouldered one of these. Was not good at all. Ended his season then and there.
Hello, Mr. Spomer. I'm just a retired guy and only dream about going shooting. But I appreciate your excellent reviews. Live and learn! Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
Thanks Jon.
Very educational , beautiful dog. It’s hard to beat the availability of the 6.5 creedmore factory ammo. If you hand load there is no issue but if you don’t or would rather not the Creedmoor makes sense. I love my .260 but I do wish there were more factory ammo options cause I don’t enjoy handloading like i used to luckily .260 factory ammo is coming around obviously to compete witch is wise that all said I am considering acquiring a 6.5 creed more. Thanks fer the vid
The model 600 Remington was my first rifle in 6.5 Remington mag , took everything there is for game here in Saskatchewan with authority , unfortunately my ears are still ringing today after 50 year's ! The 260 is also way better than it looks on paper !
Great stuff Ron. Can you work in a straight walled hunting comparison for us Eastern woods folk?
Ron, I would love to see a video on what the absolute flatest shooting caliber is? 7mm, .264 mag, .243, ? Thanks!
Good idea. I'll get on that.
What? No 264 win mag?
The first 6.5 caliber rifle I acquired was a Husqvarna made Swedish Mauser model 1938, chambered of course in the fantastic 6.5X55 cartridge. This was about 35 years ago. It had been refinished and re-blued by someone who knew what they were doing. The bore was squeaky clean. It looked mint. Unfortunately, it had been drilled and tapped for a scope and came with a 4 power scope. At the time, I didn't know about issues with altering classic military Mausers. I forget the price but it was very inexpensive. The owner simply didn't want it anymore.
It took a while for me to appreciate what I had. Accurate, very pleasant to shoot, even with a metal butt plate and an action as smooth as silk made it a gem. While the 6.5X55 Swedish is no longer the most popular rifle cartridge for hunting in Scandinavia (it lost ground to the .30-06) it is a close No. 2. (The .308 is third.) As for game, if it lives in Scandinavia, it can be taken with the 6.5X55. That includes the largest moose as well as brown bears. While I wouldn't take my 6.5X55 on a grizzly hunt, I have shot a few moose with it and they went down just fine.
As for reloading for hunting, I have two comments; Nosler Partition and IMR 4831. If you want a second opinion, Nosler Partition and IMR 4350.
Why did people in Scandinavia switch to 30-06?
The reason I follow is to listen to someone "compare" cartridges and in all of youtube Ron Spomer Outdoors does it best. Thanks
I have several 6.5x55, several 7.62x51, a couple of 7x57, 8x57, I love them all.
264 Win Mag did not get an honorable mention??? C'mon Spomer
What about the 6.5x47 Lapua apple, and the 264 Win Mag orange?
Will have to get those done another time. This wasn't an exhaustive 6.5mm round up.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors I've been thinking about the 6.5 Whisper as a middle ground between the 300 blackout & .221 Rem Fireball. What do you think?
For those interested in 260 Rem, there is another YT channel "Air Arms Hunting South Africa." Matt Dubber is the owner, and a small majority of his shows are about air rifles, but the ones that aren't are almost all centered around his 260 Rem, and he does some crazy long range shooting with it, and quite a number of them are hunting videos, not just shooting.
I'd love to see a resurgence of the 6.5 Remington Magnum!
The only experience that I've had with it was when the 673 Remington came out. I just had to have one.
The first three shots at the range no kidding covered up with a dime and that recoil ( 21 fp ) did not exist.
I'll bet it's closer to 13 in that firearm shooting the factory Remington Corelock 120 grain load.
Sweet rifle
Not to mention when Remington brought the 673 Guide Gun out .. it was well before the 6.5 craze!
My opinion is the 350 Remington is one heck of a black bear round and it's little brother the 6.5 Remington is one heck of a deer/antelope cartridge.
If you're a reloader of course cause the ammo is scarious to say the least. Remington failed a few dandy rounds ( the 260 Remington, the 244/6 mm Remington, the 350 Remington Mag, and the 6.5 Remington Mag ) that's for sure!
@@blackie1of4 Remington also failed the 280 badly.
And the 30 REM AR is another
@@bobbyrobbins9816 yeah... The 280 Remington is nipping the heels of the 7 mm Remington magnum. One heck of a round.
I say commercialize the 6.5 aught 6... It would sell too
Guys with 6.5 x 55 Swede are putting a hurting on the guy shooting the 6.5 Creedmoor, I’d rather have a 6.5 x 55 Swede any day of the week
LOL Putting a hurting on them where? I'll take the 6.5 PRC.
Well considering I shot out to 1200m against a 6.5x55 Swede with my 6.5CM and i hit the plate and he didn't. there's really no difference inside of 1200m. The added velocity in a modern rifle and really hot handloads in the swede could potentially help. but i've not seen it.
@@joshjamesguitar For an accurate report and for everything to be even you should have shot both rifles, the shooter always comes into play it’s not always the weapon , Ps Another thing did you check the rifling on the 6.5 x 55 Swede , I’m sure it’s a considerably older weapon than yours with new rifling, these are all things to think about ! But if your rifle hit the target then I’m happy for you 👍
@@johannesvanhoek9080 Nope, it was a Sabatti with a custom Lothar Walther barrel. we were both firing 139gr Scenar at the same velocity. Basically there's literally no difference between them unless you load the 6.5x55 hot. the factory loads have identical velocities. even in Lapua and Norma ammo.
@@joshjamesguitar I get your point, but I still would feel better if the point was being made that one person was shooting both guns at the same target, I hope you understand what I’m saying ! PS I know that I can shoot my friends rifle better than he can, that’s the point I’m trying to make !
Mr. SPOMER..great video. I've been hunting with my Tikka t3 260 Rem. 1st and best short action rifle I've ever bought. I use to shoot 300 win mag and 270 win. That 260 rem is phenomenal. But... is there any way you can do a video on just the .260 Remington? I would really appreciate it. In 3 yrs it's taken down 5 deer in my local woods. 5 shots, 5 deer. The info I know about this great caliber is only what I read on forums. But I'd like a more detailed review on it from a hunters stand point as to what's the biggest game you think it would be good for.. etc. Etc.. etc.. Thank you.
Technically a short action cartridge ,not short action rifle. Tikka uses same length action whether short or long action chambered.😁👍🏻
Thank you, that was an articulate, not so subtle lesson on how many shooters live in the minutia of the cartridge world. By insisting on fair comparisons, these shooters end in a place with no real comparison at all. Another YTber did an expansion comparison of same caliber bullets but different construction; one bonded lead core and one monolith. Holy cow! Commentors had a complete meltdown because that wasn't a fair comparison. Apple's to oranges, they said. Then mob hysteria kicked in, and soon no one was happy with the chosen caliber, the methods and so on. I, for one, learn more from comparing not so similar cartridges, bullets, gauges, or whatever. Thank you again!
Hey, great looking English! I had a similarly spotted Orange Belton years ago. I loved that dog.
Ron, why doesn't anyone talk about the 6.5x47 Lapua? That was the first long-range cartridge I began reading about in the mid to 2000's. Where did it go?
I have taken about 2 dozen caribou with the same amount of cartridges with my 6.5 Rem Mag in a Rem 660. Amazing cartridge, amazing little carbine. Re-barrelled with a 23' Pacnor Super-match and 3100 fps with 130 Accu-bonds. What is not to love?
Too bad you didn’t include the 264 Win Mag
It's also a long action cartridge.
And I love mine.
@@stewartrun A lot of guys talking about it…for non existent…..and I love mine
Good information, I like the way you break it down. Than you, Sir
I still like my 264 Winchester Magnum best!
Great show and thank you for the info and your the best
Thanks Sam.
I just had my 28 nosler rebarreled to 26 nosler and I'm running the 127 barns lrx at 3550 fps it's amazing....flat and smashes right thru what ever I point it at super nice mnt cartridge
That's crap . Leaving out the 6.5x55 is defeating the purpose . All the 6.5 s should have been tested against each other . The 6.5 x 55 will out do most of them American loads and has been for a hundred year's . For hunting the creadmore is useless compared to the sweed
Haha I really enjoyed the tongue in cheek vibe of this video. Good job Ron. Sadly some people just have to complain about something. I don't mind the different caliber or action cartridge comparisons. Really nice overview of the hottest caliber family going right now. I actually almost went with a .260 Rem that my neighbor had as my first centerfire bolt action cartridge rifle. I am not sure why I didn't go with that one 22 years ago. I decided on a Savage M110 in .270 Win instead, that my Dad bought me when I was 15 at a local gun shop. Which looking back and also checking the shelves (prior to the pandemic buy up craze) the .270 was the better choice for ammo availability and is a rather solid performer. I do reload now so I would be fine with a .260 Rem or any of the 6.5s. Part of me would be interested in a 6.5x284 Norma or the 6.5 PRC, but it is difficult to put down my .270 that shoots similar weight class of bullets. (Enjoyed your .270 Win vs. 6.5 CM video and article) Thanks for sharing.
I have no need for short bolt action in a big game rifle. If person cannot run a standard length bolt action with speed... maybe their is a skill issue. 6.6 x 55 Swede in a M77 Ruger action is my choice.
I think you're confused time to cycle the action is not benefit versatility is 6.5cm fits in AR10 or any short action rifle of which there are more of you can hunt with it, shoot a PRS match with it, or just have fun a long range.
I have multiple 6.5 Grendels, .260 Rem, and 6.5CM. I figured the performance between the Grendel and .260 Rem was so drastically different, that I really didn’t take the Grendel seriously at first. I sat down and ran the ballistics one time, comparing same barrel length, same bullet, and was kind of surprised to see that there was maybe 175-225yds difference. In other words, the .260 Rem hit the Grendel’s muzzle velocity once the .260 reached 175-225yds, depending on the load. That’s comparing full-power .260 Rem pressures to the low pressure AR-15 6.5 Grendel MAP as well.
Once I shot my 16” Grendel out to 1200yds on a dare, I was shocked to see that it had predictable, repeatable impacts, so I started taking it more seriously and built another with a Lilja barrel. Then another, and another, and......My .260 Rem stopped going out with me because I have to trim cases every other firing at least, and I lose primer pockets after 3-5 firings. Grendel brass just keeps on trucking, don’t even need to trim necks really. Lapua brass seems to last forever in this cartridge.
I heard you where ran off of AR15 COM because you got caught claiming false valor.
@@gsxr1189 That's news to me. Been a lot of people making accusations about things without possession of the facts lately.
@@LRRPFco52 I was going to drop you a link to the thread I was referring to but when I went back to find it I saw that you already have.
But for AR15 platform, 6.5 grendel is very nice. Slowly getting rid of 556 for 6.5 grendel. Love the round
Nice presentation! I think some .264 WinMag aficionados are going to feel left out.
I do! 😥
@@richardfuerst5286 If you have a .264 WinMag and need a new barrel, stay with the 264 but with a faster twist ... and your problem is solved. Be safe and in good health.
@@tyronekim3506 I have a pre 64 model 70 Westerner. It has a 22" barrel. Have thinking on re- barreling with a 26"
@@richardfuerst5286 Yes. Get a faster twist and it will outperform 6.5 PRC any day. Good luck
@@tyronekim3506 It's already 1 in 9 now
Half the guys I see on the range zero at whatever the "box" suggest and simply accept the manufacturer's trajectory info as golden. With that in mind, I'd say virtually all center fire rifles from 243Win up to 300Wby are all equally lethal out to 300yds if the shooter knows his/her stuff. So, if I can choose between almost any caliber, why not pick an easy recoiling round?
My 7x57 is easy on the shoulder, great at ethical ranges, and can bring down anything on the planet!
This was a fantastic comparison of the 6.5 family but, as to which is best? My answer would have to be whichever I have loaded at the time. Same for the ongoing 308 dilemma!
Or whatever is on the self at your local sporting goods store. Is $33 for 20 rounds of Creed more high?
Ammo price will dicatate which rifle I get, plus recoil.
@@CrackerFL Currently, very little is on the shelves and most of the internet sites are overcharging like crazy! Do your research and get the caliber that makes sense for what you intend to use it for. And realize that the election is over, a vaccine is coming and things should flatten out within the next 6-12 months for ammo. Stick with a commonly used caliber and you should be fine.
Great video. the nice thing about the 6.5 CM is the light recoil and out to about 350 yards it does just fine on elk. What's not to like.
In my Shooting Club in the small german Town Nufringen we have a 6.5×55mm swede Mauser from 1903 with all parts original and its the smoothest running most reliable rifle in our repertoire.
We also have Ruger PRs and Oberland and stuff
The topic of ammo is something I really don’t know that much about. For whatever reason I am now interested in learning and I find that your contact is easily understandable and I think you for the way that you present your topic.
Whichever 6.5 you love is the one to have..... That diameter is just in a ballistic sweet spot. 6.5-7mm is a great zone to be in for great BC and sectional density.
In a modern action, the 6.5x55 outclasses .260 Remington and the 6.5 CM given is larger case capacity. Factory ammo is inexpensive and accurate, and the brass plentiful. Loaded to a maximum of 46,000 cup, it is still plenty good, and I prefer a softer recoil. And the brass and barrel last longer than modern high pressure loads. The length of the action is a distant consideration. All of my sub MOA rifles are over 100 years old. The cost to produce one of these fine rifles today would now be well over $1,000 each, and I admire the excellent materials craftsmanship far more than modern renditions. There is not much improvement in cartridges after 1891. One of the best of those after 1891 would be the .30-06.
I saw a Remington 673 6.5 Magnum Guide Rifle on a rack at Gander Mountain around 2003 . I really liked it, but I wasn’t sure about getting ammo. Now, I never care about that. I can find ammo if I need it. I have always regretted not getting that rifle. Thanks for the video.
Thanks Ron! Please keep the videos coming. Never caught the CM virus but always love hearing discourse. Facts over feelings. Unless it’s what I like. Lol
All I know is with this 6.5 craze, I have been shooting more of my other calibers at the moment due to the ease in finding components. In the grand scheme of things we just reinvent the wheel to make it fit in different platforms. The 6.5 Creedmoor will allow slightly more case capacity than the .260 Remington when loaded with the 140 grain class bullets in AR10 type magazines. I think that is really the only difference between the two.
I have both. The .260 Rem has more case capacity regardless of what bullet you load. The 6.5CM just places the projectile base and base-to-shank junction closer to the neck-shoulder junction.
@@LRRPFco52 I am talking about in rifles where the COAL has to be shortened to put the round in a magazine, like an AR-10. When you are limiting the COAL to 2.800" the .260 will require you to seat the bullet deeper chewing up some powder space. In a bolt rifle this really isn't an issue granted the chamber is reamed correctly. But in a gas gun if you are wanting to shoot the 140-147 grain length bullets target shooters often do, the 6.5 Creedmoor has a slight edge because the bullet can be seated further out in that context.
6.5x284 is a short action cartridge just like it's parent the 284 winchester is a short action only the Norma version of 6.5x284 is for longer actions so you have missed out on a great Cartridge the 6.5x284 winchester.
Anybody who uses the apples to oranges statement will learn more one day. I decided a long time ago cartridge selection means next to nothing. You need to choose your rifle by the bullet you want to shoot. Then decide on rifle weight you want to carry, where you want to carry it, and how much recoil you want. 99% of game is killed under 300 yards, and with a 200 yard zero, almost any modern cartridge will give you 3 to 6 inches of drop at 300 yards. And 99% of all hunters will never know the difference between cartridge choice looking at it that way when making shots on big game. It's basically point and click. As for bullet diameter, if your wanting a 180 grain .308, a 160 .284, or 150 in .277 etc. will essentially all do the same job. Now when I hear arguments against that talking about longer range hunting, I've seen plenty of people shoot who don't have any business shooting at game at extended ranges. There are too many variables. Also, people tend to over estimate range, thinking that 300 yard deer is really 500. Hence the saying hold on hair.
I certainly appreciate and learn so much from all your videos. Thanks!
As some people stated here 6,5χ55 Swedish is the king,in 6,5mm.
The 260 Rem. is in the 308 Win. family and can be necked up or down from its siblings easily, it thus has the largest compatibility pool from which to obtain cases.
A 6.5x47 Lapua is a fairer comparison to the 6.5 CM, but Lapua essentially conceded the point when they offered CM brass.
Remington killed the .260 with the wrong barrel twist and length with wimpy factory loads. The initial reviews were “is that all there is?
The 6.5-08 had been shot in silhouette rifles for many years, but Remington didn’t bother to ask.
Have one 6.5x55 match .Ordered now a 6.5x47 for hunt and range and a 6.5 284 only for hunting. Not following the mainstream.
I have a 260 Remington chambered in a Tikka with a 3-9x scope by Zeiss. The best terminal results I have got are with Sierra 140 soft point boat tails at around 2715 fps… so far instant one shot kills on deer. Accurate, low recoil, and effective.
However. My old 270 Win with the same weight of bullet edges out this stellar performance on range, animal size (moose). Not sure if I gained much by going to 260 from 270.
Like to mention, load manual: VihtaVuori N -140, 140g bullet. Did real well, long range (?}, 110 yd, great shot group, fielded great 1 shot results, hog hunts.
Just found out the channel; Ron, you've got a new fan from Italy