Thanks for watching guys!! Watch Sherliza Moé video on the topic aswell but remember that the same tw applies to it as well!! 👉🏾 th-cam.com/video/pJP-oWDGk6c/w-d-xo.html ⚠️ Again, please don't send any hate or harrassment towards the artist i mentioned in this video. 🌟 EDIT: I wish i had given more context on the age of consent in Japan. Apperently it's 18 in most of Japan including Tokyo and only in some prefectures it's 13. More information on it can be found here: helpto.pro/age-of-consent-in-japan-and-why-it-so-low/
also i dont know if you have a keybord, but CTL+Z well help you undo quicker than go back and forth to the step back button on SAI, you can also set your own hotkeys on SAI by right clicking the icon and setting what numbers or button combo to do a certain action.
PLEASE NOTE: not everyone who has MAP in their profiles are pedophiles, Before pedophiles got their hands on the anonym it was and STILL is an acronym made by animators for a projects called Multi Animator Projects. So many animators like myself have gone by MAP animators because we do a lot of multi animator projects.
Minor nitpick but the book lolita is very explicitly against the sexualization of minors. Vladimir Nabokov made it very clear that his book is anti-pedophile and was very careful not to romanticize the subject. The reason why the book has the reputation that it does is due to the film adaptations' portrayal of the events in a romantic light.
Nabokov: *makes a book talking about the sexualization of minors in hollywood* Hollywood: *uses it to sexualize minors* Nabokov: [Wait... THAT'S ILLEGAL]
As someone who is Japanese, just a quick reminder to not associate all of us with these kind of materials ! lolicon and shotacon is NOT JAPANESE CULTURE, and the majority of us are disgusted by it. TY. ( also LOVE THE VIDEO !! This topic needs to be touched on more. )
question: do you have like prefectures in there that like has 13 for an age for consent but you just dont count it since there's no one living there? ive heard about that somewhere, just wanna confirm
@Judgement Kazzy I feel like people tend to assume that all Japanese people watch anime, when the majority does not, maybe growing up or here and there like cartoons (yesanimeisliterallycartoons) but the majority does not consume anime like Americans do. The term “otaku” is negative and offensive here, while western anime fans brandish the term with pride. If someone likes anime like a hobby it’s often hidden or just not put out there like how Americans do. The term lolicon is literally the word for pedophilia here. So is shotacon. If someone says they like it to someone random who isn’t big on anime, they will be seen as a pedo. This is a bit different between otakus, as I feel like their opinions would be like the western opinion. But like I said, they’re not nearly the majority. Also I have no idea what happened to that :^//
@@genoswest7253 Damn! So glad to know it's seen in this way in Japan! I had an argument with someone some time ago about how lolicon and shotacon "is a normal and accepted thing in Japan", I was really shocked and a bit disappointed that in this country these ideas seem to be accepted, mostly for business purposes - but you now give me a different look on it and I hope it's really how it is, like YOU say. Anyway, I noticed quite a long time ago how Western people in general (I guess mostly kids and newbies) change an original meaning of Japanese terms. Something that sounds there offensive - here is portraited like something positive. This is really disrespectful and confusing, and puts Japan in a bad position. So many people like to fetishize this country and make it look like a place where literally everything is acceptable, while in reality this country has so high morals and rich culture :/
I had a discussion about this topic with someone who used shows like American Dad, South Park, Family Guy and FLCL as an argument to why drawings are never harmful. The thing is, well... It's not true. The moment you use shows that are meant to clearly be satyrical traits of society as an example to justify or deny something is the moment you lose your points (in my book). Just because it's fictional doesn't mean that the emotions expressed aren't. What should we make another movie that actually sexualize kids? Like Cuties? Or broadcast actual CP? Also, if those are so harmless, why aren't broadcasted on TV for EVERYONE? To kids even?
ikr, as a teen who has problems at home I cant picture doing the things my parents did to me to anyone, its basically turning into the abuser which makes just like them
@@meanieeheart4236 Exactly, in fact as someone who has gone through emotional distress and through depression (idk how I feel rn) I would never draw something like that, I do remember drawing explicit things about MY character but it was never something to harm others. I don’t do that anymore because I’ve noticed that what I drew could’ve influenced people to do it as well. 😔💔
@@skepticalpanda8862 drawings can be a gateway to more dangerous things, like gateway drugs, eventually what you're taking won't get you high anymore, so you move onto stronger stuff. So cartoon porn, then it goes to pictures of real children, then videos of real children being raped, & eventually they want to experience it first hand, not just look at it. Then boom, you have tons of victims.
About the whole Lolita thing, I personally, as someone who has read the book, don’t believe it would count as CSEM because the whole book is meant to show the reader how disgusting Humbert’s (the p*do) actions towards Dolores (the 12 year old girl) are. Nabokov also put a lot of social commentary about the sexualization of minors in Hollywood (e.g. Shirley Temple) in the book. I hope this is a clear answer! Brilliant video btw! :))
THANK YOU. The book makes it ver to clear that Dolores is an unwilling victim in this and tha Hubert is a sick man in the wrong. It clearly shows that his view of Dolores is wrong and not to be glorified, and it's written very well.
it really annoys me when i see underage map/cp supporters because they don't know what they're promoting, or how harmful it actually is 🙄 like where are their parents???
it makes me sad and concerned like ykno ur asking where their parents r sometimes its their parents who traumatized them and caused their mindset to be like that 😐 (supporting map/cp) ... the adults around those kids failed them
I saw something about how they've been shamed for finding people their own age attractive and then deciding they're a map so they don't get shamed by the map community ...? But it just makes them more vulnerable to actual predators
I'm an artist too but my name is Divine_Raccoon. I'm a furry and I dont even make this weird fetish crap and furries are ASSOCIATED with weird fetish crap. Edit: Changed my user
That’s not funny. It’s about the twitter shit, not her art in specific. Yes, it’s good. But, you need to focus on the actual topic. The fact the topic is serious too, that’s just dumb to say. I’m just trying to inform you, sorry if I sound rude. :/
@@Vee.does_randomshix I know the topic is serious and I paid attention to the video. I was just trying to make a lighthearted joke. I am not trying to take away from the seriousness, I am just trying to lighten the mood a little bit. And seems like she liked it too
Actually in most places in Japan the age of consent is 18. 13 Is the lowest age people can set it too, and even then its only that low in 2small areas I believe.
One of these artists spent months on months harassing me, I was 14 (15 now) and his fans backed him up on the harassment and no one tried to call him out for the things he was being accused of. It still makes me so mad. I wish more videos like this were out there so i could feel like i have some justice. Thank you for making this video :''0
A reminder the book Lolita does not glorifies CSA. As someone who studied and read the book, it is a story that cautions about the harms of CSA and how the abuser can control the narrative and twist it to their own liking. Cause the main character Humpert is an unreliable narrator.
In Japan it is illegal for 13 year olds to "do it" at all, making it the default age of consent. It is illegal for anyone to "do it" with someone under 13, yes. Though under the child welfare act if your unmarried and "do it" with someone under 18 that's illegal. It's like this mostly so if minors from the ages of 13-17 are caught "doing it" it is not illigal. This is a common misconception that really really should be talked about more!!!!
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO DID THEIR RESEARCH! Amime fans try to use "muh age of consent in Japan in 13!!!" as an justification for watching pedobait but it isn't even TRUE.
It’s funny how everyone wants to bring up Japan and about how the FEDERAL age of consent is 13 but no one looks at the fact that the US has theirs set to 12
It made me smile so much when you said “Maps AKA pedophiles” because no one ever calls them what they are (pedophiles) Say it like it is! They👏are👏pedophiles! Thank you for calling them what they are, no one seems to do that now adays and it’s wrong
I mean, technically, they are not always pedophiles, pedophiles are only attracted to prepubescent kids. Attraction to kids in early teens is called Hebephilia and to late teens Ephebophilia. It is still just as bad and these people need help if they are not offending, or get arrested if they have consumed CP or abused a child.
@@devilbuster20xx37 or you can just say pedophiles. we don’t need to treat it like its a sexuality and have 50 different names for them. in fact, we shouldn’t. that’s exactly what the term Map is trying to do. it’s gross. actually, why do you even know that? rubs me the complete wrong way.
So, I'm apart of the Lolita fashion community. I just want to explain to everyone that there is a very big difference between Loli/Lolita h3ntAi, and Lolita fashion. Lolita fashion is a subculture where people dress up in cute (or gothic) Victorian-inspired outfits. It's an expensive hobby, especially if you are plus-sized like myself. I don't even have a full outfit yet and I've been working towards it for about two years now. Lolita fashion is not generally fetishized like Loli/Lolita h3ntAi is, because many people in the community are adults. [Edit 1: Though respectfully different, I think of Lolita fashion as cosplay in terms of price, wigs, accessories, and elaborate design]. Loli/Lolita p0rn on the other hand, is disgusting and should be illegal in every country. Whoever enjoys or supports it should be in jail for the rest of their lives. I have nothing more to say on that subject.
Hey there! I've been a part of the community for a year now myself. I'm kind of worried that saying something about normal clothes on a video that covers very very disgusting topics might do more harm than good ;; especially saying to think of it as cosplay is off since it's really not. Have a nice weekend!
@@dopecactus8513 Hi, thanks for leaving a comment and expressing how you feel. Like I said, my original comment was to clear up a misunderstanding. I did see a few comments compare Lolita fashion to Lolita XXX when the two were completely different, which is why I made the comment to begin with. It would do more harm than good if I did not clear up the misunderstanding at all, since people unfamiliar with the fashion would not know the difference. And I only compared it to cosplay because it too is a very expensive hobby. Buying full detailed outfits, wigs, accessories, and so on. It was not meant to diminish the style or call it a costume as I now see that wording has done. You have a good weekend too!
@@emmahearth2870 I see! I didn't see any comments that mentioned the fashion so I was worried! I also get get why you mentioned cosplay now! Thanks for explaining!
“Please don’t bully *trans women* making difficult art” As a trans nb this is shit This has nothing to do with you being trans. Sure some people might be assuming all trans people are like this and that’s not ok either But this has nothing to do with that. Don’t deflect rightful comments about how you are in the wrong with “that’s transphobic :(“ it’s stupid. Honestly.
sorry: Instead of referencing to people the drama is abt, I use”you, yours, yourself” pronouns instead of actually doing the referencing, this wasn’t directed at thumin if anyone is confused 😟
I personaly don't care if she is trans or not, she is an horrible woman who has done disgusting things... Trans people are people so is possible to find some bad ones in them
i understand that she was sexually abused, it’s an really traumatic and awful thing to happen, but her art that she makes is so wrong and an unhealthy coping mechanism
i agree a lot. even if she was doing something healthy for her, she should have kept it to herself and not shown people because it could hurt others. i do this myself (obviously not with this disgusting stuff, just stuff with gore and all) and im PRETTY sure the world doesnt need to see that so :/
While I completely agree with this video, I do wanna give an example I always use when talking about the difference between trauma art & CSEM: the comic "Daddy's Girl" - this was a comic that came out in the 90s that tackled an in*est-p*dophilc abuse situation and was used to tell a story about a girl being hurt by her father. The reason this works as a heartbreaking story is that it shows the trauma and it never normalizes what is happening. I'm a firm believer that trauma artwork/media can and "should" be made, without comics such as Daddy's Girl and (strangely) episodes of Law & Order SVU I wouldn't have realized what I was going through was not right, and that I wasn't alone. HOWEVER - This work should never EVER be made in the same vein as normal NSFW. And trauma/vent should always be tagged properly for those who block the tags and restrict minors from viewing My question to end off on to artists who make l*li/sh*tacon artwork is this: How would you feel if someone used your art to groom a real-life child?
🙋🏾♂️ i just want to say that it is not a biological trait of men to find younger women attractive, rather it is social conditioning in cirtain circumstance, in the case of biology, humans (animals too) are genetically 'programmed'to find sexual maturity attractive ie.being attracted to someone their own age. Men who find younger women attractive is most likely to do with the man and not genetics. And i just want to say that not all men are that way, i am sure many of us are not depraved.
I was looking for this comment, specially because some people use this argument as an excuse, "men do these things because thats just how they are" and they avoid accountability
Thank you for that comment. The original statement implies that most men are ped0s which is just terrifying. The "it's biology" "explanation" is a terrible untrue excuse for folks to justify their actions and beliefs that they can control. Free will is real.
Personally, I believe that trauma art should be kept to oneself and if shared, shared with a professional who deals with people who have been through those traumatic scenarios before ESPECIALLY if there are depictions of children. The fact that milk said that calling a trans woman a p*do should not be done under any circumstance is extremely concerning! If people see you doing something that warrants that kind of response, then maybe you should look deep into yourself and question why people think that rather than accusing them of being transphobic and hating you because I feel like that is just a cop out. Anything that has to do with putting literal children explicit situations angers me to my core because how sick do you have to be to fantasize about children like that. That is absolutely disgusting and deplorable! Sharing art with this content can create spaces for people like Milk’s followers to grow and thrive and children to believe that this is okay because these adults are consuming this art and the art is being shown to them. Every time I here about people harming children i get so angry and so sad because how could someone be so cruel to do that to a child? And even if they are imagining them in explicit situations or consuming it in media, that’s so disgusting and wrong and sickening. Just unspeakably horrible. Sorry for any typos, topics like these make me heated and My thoughts are coming off the top if the head.
I think trauma art shouldn't be fully kept to yourself and your therapist. It can be shared, because consuming such media also sometimes helps with coping. HOWEVER. It should be highly restricted. It shouldn't just be freely floating in the net for random people to see, especially children. It should AT LEAST be age restricted. AT LEAST. I know that it's hard for popular artists to do, but I know a person who requires people to talk to her and explain why they want to see certain art (and some other things, to be sure about them - even though she doesn't draw anything really unsafe, just usual NSFW, and she uses such a method to protect herself from stealing and posting things on net). I think it will make at least some difference. But - again, most of the times you don't become popular by drawing and sharing trauma art, I can't just see such a situation, it's just not how it works. If it happens, probably something isn't quite okay. And you totally SHOULDN'T profit of it. Well, technically - I can totally see someone profiting of coping mechanisms of others (we already see it a lot in real world), but for art even in theory it sounds disgusting. It's awful. It's just... Unimaginable. Once again, I already commented on Sherliza Moe's vid on it, I draw trauma art myself sometimes - I don't share it but I can see myself sharing it with people who experienced the same/similiar things, and I see how it can help them. But honestly, another thing is that a lot of these "trauma arts" are not trauma art at all, it's a shell for just fetishizing, pedophilia and lots of other things, and it's SHOWING. It's SHOWING that THIS one piece wasn't made for cope but for personal/audience pleasure, especially for an eye of an actually traumatized person. And it's... Well. I don't know English enough to explain how I feel about it. Disgusting stuff.
@@anna84259 i totally agree! I have not drawn trauma art, however, if I did, i would prefer to share it with individuals who are close to me. I like the idea of it being age restricted to protect children and maybe even restricted so that not everyone can access it. That way it can be used as an actual safe space for people who have dealt with that type of trauma and find looking at art as a way to cope with it.
It also makes no sense how she says that calling a trans women a p*do in *any* case is wrong. Guess what, trans people are just like every other person, thereby there are trans predators. They are only an extremely small minority and their existence should be not an argument agains trans rights, and being trans isn't an excuse for anything wrong you did. She is really harmful to the trans community as she's a reason for transphobes to say that trans women are predators, while being and predator and being trans is completely unrelated.
While I'm against censorship, I am against what milk has done. I am also against how irresponsible some people have been regarding this situation on TH-cam, by linking to that persons twitter in their descriptions, especially when said people have a large minor following, which makes a bad situation worse. Cause now you have minors going somewhere and engaging with someone who creates exploitative works like this, and may even traumatize them. Thank you for not linking to her socials. It shows higher level of carefulness that others whove covered this lack.
!! about the age of consent in Japan, the federal age of consent is 13, HOWEVER in the vast majority of its prefectures/states the age of consent is something closer to 17-18 its not really accurate to group all of Japan together like that
It’s funny how everyone wants to bring up Japan and about how the FEDERAL age of consent is 13 but no one looks at the fact that the US has theirs set to 12
Remember!: Lolita is Also a aesthetic, usually using light colors, big eyes, and big poofy dresses. It is usually used in Japan. But, it’s not always about CP.
One thing that bugs me in this comment section is people getting confused and essentially calling lolitas bad. (lolita is a japanese fashion which is in no way sexual, i am a lolita myself)
Trauma art is one thing, and even at that it should be very private between you and or close friends and your therapist , but she's making full profit off of these and triggering people terribly I don't care if this is trauma art , its still sexualizing kids and making a profit from it. Personally , I think she's using 'trauma art' and her being a trans women , as an excuse. If you create trauma art, and its that explicit , you should know better then to post it (in case of triggers) and make a profit off of it. (plus I'm pretty sure its kind of illegal) EDIT: lol I didn't watch the full video when I commented this, now I sound like a repeat
Yes exactly! People can make art to help with their trama without drawing child porn. Show your trama subliminally if you have to just please dont draw porn of children.
I got into a whole argument with someone about this on another video about StrawberryMilk. They said they thought it was fine as long as the children drawn weren't actual children. I suggested that StrawberryMilk should private/age restrict their account or put a trigger warning on their posts because impressionable kids could see them and the person responded with 'It's not her responsibility.' LIKE- (Though I agree, art like this shouldn't be posted and should only be shown to your therapist)
17:31 That is extremely false. All men are not wired to be pr3d4t0rs that want to prey on children, and it's inaccurate to say that all men and only men are like this and never women which is how it comes off with the way she worded that. It just contributes to that stereotype that being male immediately makes you perverse, abusive, and untrustworthy and that women can never be nasty themselves.
I literally screamed "NOOOO!" When I saw that tweet of a 16 yr old artist from the Philippines. As a 15 yr old Filipina we DO NOT CLAIM THAT PERSON. Throw them in jail! Throw them in the ranch!! Also I'm pretty sure 16 yr olds can be legally considered as ped*s
Okay, I have to make things clear. I'm no pedophile and that time I was really immature and dumb. I do dumb sht. And also I have the weirdest case of comfort that time since I do have experience with when I was a kid I was 16 and really oblivious with what's happening there. I didn't mean to be a pedo I just thought their artstyle is cute. And again, I just learned that everything is out of context I was oblivious with the whole situation and I thought creepshow art is throwing some another allegation like that one video from her racist thing But again. I'm sorry if I commented that and me being really childish. I'm alr 18 now and I've change. MORAL of the story is I have to be aware about everything and stop being a weak ass kid for getting deceived by their cute artstyle
have said every single fuckign thing I've ever said on this matter, thank you for putting a video of it up. I've had to draw trauma art, I had an art therapist and years later, I still drew shit to help me through my trauma. some of this shit was disgusting and sexual in nature, but it was NEVER drawn in a cutesy manner, in fact, I remember everything I ever drew was covered in tear stains because I was UPSET while drawing this shit. tear stains ruined all the ink and markers I used, and I NEVER would have posted ANY of this art that I made for PROFIT. let alone post it on the internet at fucking all!!! I threw it all away when I was done because of how disgusting it was. there is nothing wrong with drawing trauma art to get through your traumatic past, but when you start to monetize cutesy drawings of kids in sexually explicit situations and claim it's "just trauma art" and when you're called out for it you go "oh, I'm trans though, and you all coming to me with your opinions of WHAT I PUBLICLY PUT OUT ON THE INTERNET is transphobia bullying, all of you art TERFs who don't understand trauma -peace emoji-" I'M TRANS, I'VE BEEN THROUGH TRAUMA, IN NO WAY WOULD I EVER MONETIZE MY TRAUMA ART OR CLAIM "TRANSPHOBIA" WHEN I'M RIGHTLY CALLED OUT FOR SOMETHING. no one would fucking care about what Stwawberry drew IF THEY WERE ALL ADULTS!!! the only reasons people care is because she's depicting children engaging in sexually explicit situations, making money off of these images, and claiming people who call her out "don't care about trauma victims" and "are transphobic" I'm even seeing people in the comments on this video saying the same shit: "this proves none of you care about trauma victims" WE FUCKING CARE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE CALLING THIS PERSON OUT. THEY'RE USING THEIR PAST TRAUMA AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE TRANS TO CONTINUE MAKING MONEY OFF OF ART OF CHILD PORN. THAT'S FUCKING INSULTING TO OTHER VICTIMS OF TRAUMA. if StrawberryMilk wants to keep drawing this, I really don't fucking care, but don't fucking post it, let alone MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT. I'm positive she could make money off other things she draws, she could just draw adults??? it's... not that hard????? to not draw porn of children??? no one is putting a gun to her head saying "DRAW AND POST THIS CHILD PORN FOR MONEY OR DIEEE" it's her own choice, she's a grown ass woman choosing to post this. no one is immune to criticism. StrawberryMilk's art style is fucking adorable, I'll admit that. I'm an artist too and I know talent when I see it. but it's being WASTED by her pandering to pedophiles and other degenerates and parading it around as "trauma art by a trans woman uwu" stop standing up for her, she's a deplorable grown ass woman using the "trans" and "trauma art" excuses to sell drawn child porn.
@@hecutsdown91if you're turned on by such material, then you're sick in the head & with constant consumption of such stuff, the person would pursue another high constantly.. till god forbid, they'd start hurting kids for their sickly pleas#&& &you're being really creepy by defending those materials in the replies.
@@gage519 And youtube? There's been an abundance of racism among many other toxic things as well as sexual videos of children on youtube but people like to pretend twitter is somehow worse.
there's also A LOT of racism in the art community on twitter. Like I know that "blackwashing" is kind of controversial but people were literally getting death threats and hate and shit just bc they drew Princess Peach w dark skin or whatever.
@@kisinaa8032 But what's unique to twitter is racists can actually be called out on there and it's where they go to be "canceled" 😄 (the thing everyone wants to demonize for some reason). That doesn't really happen on youtube. You could also get just as much hate on youtube for calling out white racism where it seems pretty normalized. And unlike with twitter you don't really see that counter balance Racists also get far more upset for being booted off youtube than they do twitter.
i never share my trauma/vent art, i even glue a page of it in a fold in my sketchbook bc it is only a one time thing and only for someone like a therapist and if no therapist then no one. i feel like if the vent art is just straight up children in inappropriate situations then it shouldn’t be shared.
Hey so this might've been said in earlier comments: but the book Lolita by Nabokov is explicitly against the sexualisation of its titular character. Lolita isn't even the name of the character the main character is pursuing, but specifically a name that she is called in order to romanticise and depersonify her. The book never sexualises the minor, frequently depicts the gruesome, disgusting ways that the predator acts and thinks of justifying his behaviour, as well as frequent disgust expressed by its narrator telling the story of the predator.
@@Scoring57 in many places it’s not legal, and the reason why it’s seen as normal in the anime community is because anime is always going to have a lot of taboo subjects normalized in the community that normal people will always look down on
@@ratfuk789 Just cause it has it doesn't it should be seen as normal. Also we're discussing someone drawing basically the same thing but as an individual artist. Seems kind of hypocritical to consume it from anime but get outraged when it's from an individual. Shouldn't it just be banned across the board if this is a problem and they're the same thing?
@@Scoring57 I’m trying to understand your comment. You said lolita is widely accepted in many parts of the anime community, I said that because anime already has taboo subjects that are normalized in its own community that normal people will look down on, this doesn’t mean I support it at all, it’s just something I’ve seen happen in the community. You also never said anything about individual artists, but if you want my personal opinion (coming from an artist), I believe no matter how big or how small the artist is, they should at least hold themselves accountable for their implications and context of said artwork, instead of ignoring it and making the situation worse than it needs to be. (though I’ve seen people on both sides of the lose their absolute shit over this discussion, personally i think it’s not something to put a lot of thought into, I could care less honestly)
@@ratfuk789 That normal people will look down on? But anime is watched by a lot of "normal people". It's not an outsider looking in sort of thing. It's fair to ask why there wouldn't be or isn't the same attitude towards it in anime even if it's the norm for anime to possess taboo. That didn't stop anyone from having issues with these twitter artists. In their community it's pretty normal for them too Yeah initially I didn't mention 'individual artists' but that kind of goes without saying doesn't it since those are the type of people we're discussing?
Honestly, even if what she created constituted as trauma art, i cannot imagine why you would want to commodify your trauma like that. I mean, the point of trauma art is to help you move on from your trauma, but if its a large part of your income, the likelihood of her letting herself move on from it is small. I mean, why would you let go of something that provides some kind of financial stability? (As much as art can, anyways.) Obviously there's a lot else wrong with the whole situation, but I just cannot imagine why you would want to sell your trauma to others like that, especially in a way that romanticizes and promotes the things that caused that trauma to begin with.
dude I thought it was like- a convention for lil kids (like ComicCon or Bronycon or some shit), but I remembered the context of the video and I went "aw fuck nah-" I hope that memory gets wiped out of your mind bruv, you (and anyone else) don't deserve the horror
I am honestly scared for every minor who has or has yet to be encountered by a predator. I recently received anonymous text messages from people I didn't know. Usually that wouldn't have bothered me since I get messages from people who knew the person who last had my number. But this time it was different. The people (who I'm pretty sure were adult males) were sending suggestive requests and giving links to inappropriate websites as if they knew I was a female. I told my mom, my friends, and my therapist about it. They all said the best solution is to block the texts and get my phone checked. But now I'm worried that at some point, these predators will end up tracing my phone number, finding my house, and doing horrible things to me and my younger sister. If not us, they could torture the children of the man who had my number last. It is best for the entire world to keep people like Milk and other predators from affecting minors and scarring them for life.
I wasn't allowed to have a phone when I was younger, so I can't relate to this fear. But I hope it consoles you that a stranger cannot trace/track your exact location unless you allow it. Meaning you would have you click on their link or go to an inappropriate site of your own free will. If you feel like someone is tracking you through your phone, I recommend shutting your phone down completely, removing the battery, and putting it back in (if anyone is tracing you, this will stop it). I also recommend you start using private browsers like incognito mode, and disable your GPS. Stay safe!
Thank you for this video. I am also 14 and didn’t actually see the issue with any of this because I just didn’t care and thought “why does it matter their just drawings” recently though this mindset started to bother me because I felt like I should care and I was starting to question if I was like any of these people too which made me extremely uncomfortable. But after watching this it kind of gave me a new perspective on why this bothers people so much, which helps a lot because I felt kind of gross before :,^D
6:02 Not really related to the topic here, but just wanted to clarify, the book Lolita Is about the point of view of how a pedophile sees what's happening around him, and Vladimir Nabokov (the author) when he was still alive, said that he was disgusted at the protagonist of the book, and refered to him as a horrible person many times, Vladimir Nabokov was not a pedophile himself, and I'm just saying this for people who might have gotten confused by the statement in the video
Imma share this so people will be aware, me being a filipino, ive seen tons of my fellow filo liking hentai, especially lolicon/shotacon, and no one dares to say anything about it. I feel like in my country, especially otakus and weebs here, dont really care about whats right or wrong. Its like, even if someone calls them out they just really dont care and would rather boost about there wrong choices or doings. Honestly more stuff to say about this but im gonna end it here.
21:17 I believe that "no map" actually stands for "non-offending minor attracted person". Great video though, and thank you for actually researching trauma art. I've seen too many videos about this person where they excuse her actions just because they don't understand trauma art, and they don't want to offend anyone.
My brother and I were sexually assaulted when we were younger. We are both seeing somebody for our issues to this day (7-8 years later). Because of it I'm an asexual person. The trauma sticks, and it is something that will never, EVER, goes away. But neither of us has once thought about selling or profiting off of it in any way. This girl is very disturbed and needs to seek professional help. I can't believe she is allowed to sell this kind of art legally... There should be laws against this to prevent its normalization, or the distribution of it to MAP individuals.
Even though it has been a year I am so sorry that happened to you and your brother. I hope both of you are well now, this sort of stuff needs to be stopped.
This stuff shouldn't ever be on the internet and the only way it could be taken down, is legally but unfortunately, for whatever reason, drawing CP isn't illegal.
I hope the people who were defending Stwabewwy milk sees this video because seeing the accounts she was following really puts a different light on this situation. Because like even if you are a lax person when it comes to what is and isn't a acceptable topic for art you shouldn't really be defending her since it's obvious something ups with her.
The book "Lolita" isn't a erotica, the point of the book is that the narrator is untrustworthy, that his sick mind would make excuse of what he was doing is right, that his victim deserved, that she provoked his reaction, that it wasn't rape because he convinced himself that she wanted. The point of the book isn't transform Lolita in a sex object, but some sick people had readed that way, especially because of the movies based on the book, the movies are simply disgusting, they made look like Lolita actually was some kinda of seductress, they took the side with the pedophile point of view.
My mom told me this a bit ago "safer isn't safe" so in the case of this situation "less harmful is still harmful". Come on America, make this stuff illegal.
Milk saying her art is to cope with her trauma makes me want to say this. NOT ALL COPPING MECHANISMS ARE GOOD/PREDICTIVE/HELPFUL !! Just because it makes you feel better doesn’t make it’s good. Please go get professional help and find good helpful copping mechanism that will help you overcome your trauma.
I personaly dont like the whole “aging up underage characters for p*rn” stuff because its still quite disgusting to think that someone thought of a minor in a sexual way and actually made s*xual art of them, even if they aged them up
right .... like great its not csem at least but why .... r u looking at a 10 yr old and thinking "wow i want to see them getting ****" in the first place 🤢???
what??? but people dont do that. People usually age up minor characters and adjust the design. Designs arent biologically linked to age, which is why you can slap it on anyone, unlike irl. If someone wants to age up a character that means they find the design appealing but isn't comfortable with the canonical age of them.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO! I've seen people call Creepshow Art (someone I still support) a bully for calling Milk's content what it was. As someone who's unfortinately seen archives of her work... I've never thrown up in my mouth so much. Never stop being awesome! ❤
I agree so much with this video. It's perfectly ok to draw Trama art, but Personally it should be kept private. It could trigger other people viewing it to do really bad things or relapse in some way. MAPs aren't making this any better, and exposing more material like this to them. I'm glad Twitter is finally doing something about it. I want MAPs to go back to Multi Animator Projects
Such a shame. That’s terrible! If she drew her pfp, I would have actually liked her style. But instead she wastes is on horrible illustrations and makes PROFIT out of them.
The only thing I disagree with here is saying “it’ll cause men to be more attracted” no it’ll cause PEOPLE to be more attracted, sincerely a victim of a woman molestation
Thank you for respecting her identity as a trans woman. So many people say shit like "you did something bad so why should I use your pronouns??", (not to me) and it sucks.
I'm a bit late, I wanted to really take the time to watch. I'm so happy you are still so respectful and factual when talking about topics like this. This is *REALLY* important, since people tend to listen to people with a lot of followers without *thinking for themselves* or questioning what they're listening to. Love the speedpaint, it honestly helps a lot with processing this information. I don't really follow artists like this, but I completely agree with everything you just said. And I don't *JUST* say something like that. Thanks, Thumin. Miss you, bud. Have a nice one!
I'm pretty sure all men aren't wired to be attracted to children or younger women (especially not children) and in fact, a lot of men see that as gross. Remember, there's no age preference for gender and it's not just men who hurt kids. After all, cougars are a thing and they usually date younger men in their late teens or 20s, and women can also be child @busers. If you two ever plan on touching on the subject of this video or doing a follow-up, I hope you can fix that particular point since it's a common misunderstanding put out there by misandrists to make people think that all men are preds.
Creepshow got dragged cause they linked back to the Twitter, where many of her minor fans went to aggys twitter to engage and harass them. And made false claims about the illegality of it without research, thus leading to people providing proof of Creepshow providing misleading legal information. And biggest callout was if by Creepshows standards this was csem they (Creepshow) are guilty of distribution of csem by linking to milks twitter, especially when Creepshow knows she has a sizeable following with minors. This lead to Shannon later addressing it with a retraction and apology. Thumin at no point has done shown or linked to mikks art, thus no criticism to be had.
@@meowser1905 Oh alright, yeah she shouldn't have linked the Twitter as minors end up getting exposed to that crap. But a lot of people were defending Strawberry Milk saying their trauma made it valid for them to draw that. I don't think Thumin's video is bad?? She handled this very well.
@@xTatlTaelx creepshow didn't show all the sides to it. It's true that there isn't anything wrong drawing trauma art to cope, but using it for profit was the issue, and creepshow failed to address it. She believes that ANYONE who indulges in such fictional work are offenders, when that isn't the case at all.
@@meowser1905 yeah, I couldn’t watch Creepshow’s video, because it came across as an angry rant that wasn’t well thought out. If I wanted that, I’d read the Twitter threads. Thumin’s video treated it with a lot more care and thoughtfulness and finally let me learn about this “drama.”
The age of consent in Japan isn't actually 13. This the minimal limit at wich each japanese "province"(don't remember how they're called) can choose to set sexual majority, what I mean is that they can't go lower than 13, not that sexual majority is 13 everywhere in japan (it's hard to explain bc english isnt my first language but I suggest you look it up to have more infos)
hopefully twitter can enforce their new policy on people like this if they haven't already. this is just disappointing and depressing knowing that child can be drawn in such scenarios, and i'll never understand how people can rationalise the sexualisation of children a/o their attraction to children. doesn't matter if it's cp or csem it's still wrong to exploit kids like that.
The beautiful speedpaint is the only thing that held me together during this video. :'> Thanks for making this video Thumin, it was hard to listen to but very informative.
I've only watched 1/3 so far but I want to mention that the older I get(I'm 25 now) the more it shocks me realizing how normalized shotacon and lolicon was in the communities I was when I was 13 to 17 y/o. No wonder I ended up falling into the trap of a pedophile when I was 16(I barely passed as 14 and still to this day I look like a "legal minor" and attract 40-50 y/o creeps) Edit: a few months ago I debated with one of Strawberry Milks followers about her content and with the mindset that "fetish isn't different than mere fiction" .. let's say those people are hard to convince that what they do and support is wrong. dw I was nice, at least I tried my best
It's embarrassing on how some grown adults support this, and act blind like they don't know that being a p3do is wrong. I hate that people use excuses. Like being in the lgbtq+ doesn't mean you have rights to do disturbing things like this, you're still human you're not a goddess that deserves respect. And the fact that milk used this excuse and called someone transphobic, this just gets on my nerves.
Actually let's cancel shadman for drawing pron of keemstar's daughter because that's actually illegal 😾 canceling people for pixels that doesn't even have any correlation of a real life breathing child is a dumb idea and litterally doesn't stop any abuse
I love how you make different and new art for each video. A lot of art commentary channels use the same artwork for everu video. I don't mind it when they do that since they just don't have time but it is amazing how you make time to create new art for every video.
stumbled upon your Inktober vid, and now i am absolutely hooked on your art and calming voice! i draw while i listen, and i love hearing your opinions on art related topics - very refreshing
Thanks for watching guys!!
Watch Sherliza Moé video on the topic aswell but remember that the same tw applies to it as well!!
👉🏾 th-cam.com/video/pJP-oWDGk6c/w-d-xo.html
⚠️ Again, please don't send any hate or harrassment towards the artist i mentioned in this video.
🌟 EDIT: I wish i had given more context on the age of consent in Japan. Apperently it's 18 in most of Japan including Tokyo and only in some prefectures it's 13. More information on it can be found here: helpto.pro/age-of-consent-in-japan-and-why-it-so-low/
I love SHERLIZA and you!!!
too creative
I like your drawing also I like your commentary:D
also i dont know if you have a keybord, but CTL+Z well help you undo quicker than go back and forth to the step back button on SAI, you can also set your own hotkeys on SAI by right clicking the icon and setting what numbers or button combo to do a certain action.
Are they drawing just kids or cartoon characters?
PLEASE NOTE: not everyone who has MAP in their profiles are pedophiles, Before pedophiles got their hands on the anonym it was and STILL is an acronym made by animators for a projects called Multi Animator Projects. So many animators like myself have gone by MAP animators because we do a lot of multi animator projects.
Yes 👏✨
Thank you
@@MissRusababy hihi
@@thornarts o helo there
Maybe you should call it MU.A.P instead?
Minor nitpick but the book lolita is very explicitly against the sexualization of minors. Vladimir Nabokov made it very clear that his book is anti-pedophile and was very careful not to romanticize the subject. The reason why the book has the reputation that it does is due to the film adaptations' portrayal of the events in a romantic light.
Film adaptations are so irritating 😩😂💀💀
At least books aren't depicted visually
Agreed, Lolita is about abusive and tragic relationships, I saw no romantisation at all
Nabokov: *makes a book talking about the sexualization of minors in hollywood*
Hollywood: *uses it to sexualize minors*
Nabokov: [Wait... THAT'S ILLEGAL]
@@sophisticatedPJs lmao
Twitter is just terrifying in general
agreed
Yes, I hate it
True
I love your profile picture, Cardamon
@@tellmewhyaintnothing Thanks mate! :)
“the twitter art community” *oh god*
You know sh*t is about to go down when twitter is on the title lol
@@jbgra2566 this is the truth lmao
Agreed
just twitter in general tbh
Twitter is scary tbh 😭😭
As someone who is Japanese, just a quick reminder to not associate all of us with these kind of materials ! lolicon and shotacon is NOT JAPANESE CULTURE, and the majority of us are disgusted by it. TY. ( also LOVE THE VIDEO !! This topic needs to be touched on more. )
also the age of consent here is NOT 13! Each prefecture changes the age, and in Tokyo and most other places it is 18 years old !!
question: do you have like prefectures in there that like has 13 for an age for consent but you just dont count it since there's no one living there? ive heard about that somewhere, just wanna confirm
@@genoswest7253 phew! I'm so glad to here you say that. I heard a few people say that and I just hoped it wasn't true.
@Judgement Kazzy I feel like people tend to assume that all Japanese people watch anime, when the majority does not, maybe growing up or here and there like cartoons (yesanimeisliterallycartoons) but the majority does not consume anime like Americans do. The term “otaku” is negative and offensive here, while western anime fans brandish the term with pride. If someone likes anime like a hobby it’s often hidden or just not put out there like how Americans do. The term lolicon is literally the word for pedophilia here. So is shotacon. If someone says they like it to someone random who isn’t big on anime, they will be seen as a pedo. This is a bit different between otakus, as I feel like their opinions would be like the western opinion. But like I said, they’re not nearly the majority. Also I have no idea what happened to that :^//
@@genoswest7253 Damn! So glad to know it's seen in this way in Japan! I had an argument with someone some time ago about how lolicon and shotacon "is a normal and accepted thing in Japan", I was really shocked and a bit disappointed that in this country these ideas seem to be accepted, mostly for business purposes - but you now give me a different look on it and I hope it's really how it is, like YOU say. Anyway, I noticed quite a long time ago how Western people in general (I guess mostly kids and newbies) change an original meaning of Japanese terms. Something that sounds there offensive - here is portraited like something positive. This is really disrespectful and confusing, and puts Japan in a bad position. So many people like to fetishize this country and make it look like a place where literally everything is acceptable, while in reality this country has so high morals and rich culture :/
THANK YOU! I hate people denying art like that inst harmful. I loved this video and agree very much with everything you and Sherliza said!
Are u planning on making drama videos again
@@meganbliss8718 haha noooo xD
@@MintiUnicorn nice art
I had a discussion about this topic with someone who used shows like American Dad, South Park, Family Guy and FLCL as an argument to why drawings are never harmful. The thing is, well... It's not true. The moment you use shows that are meant to clearly be satyrical traits of society as an example to justify or deny something is the moment you lose your points (in my book).
Just because it's fictional doesn't mean that the emotions expressed aren't. What should we make another movie that actually sexualize kids? Like Cuties? Or broadcast actual CP? Also, if those are so harmless, why aren't broadcasted on TV for EVERYONE? To kids even?
Feet fetish Porn art is what made me into a foot fetishes.
Say it with me: 👏being abused👏 does not 👏give you the right 👏to abuse or exploit others.👏
How does a drawing abuse or exploit others?
ikr, as a teen who has problems at home I cant picture doing the things my parents did to me to anyone, its basically turning into the abuser which makes just like them
Agreed. I have been sexually assaulted when I was a child but it does not give me the right to draw children in sexual positions.
@@meanieeheart4236 Exactly, in fact as someone who has gone through emotional distress and through depression (idk how I feel rn) I would never draw something like that, I do remember drawing explicit things about MY character but it was never something to harm others. I don’t do that anymore because I’ve noticed that what I drew could’ve influenced people to do it as well. 😔💔
@@skepticalpanda8862 drawings can be a gateway to more dangerous things, like gateway drugs, eventually what you're taking won't get you high anymore, so you move onto stronger stuff. So cartoon porn, then it goes to pictures of real children, then videos of real children being raped, & eventually they want to experience it first hand, not just look at it. Then boom, you have tons of victims.
About the whole Lolita thing, I personally, as someone who has read the book, don’t believe it would count as CSEM because the whole book is meant to show the reader how disgusting Humbert’s (the p*do) actions towards Dolores (the 12 year old girl) are. Nabokov also put a lot of social commentary about the sexualization of minors in Hollywood (e.g. Shirley Temple) in the book.
I hope this is a clear answer! Brilliant video btw! :))
About Me people grossly misinterpreted his work and it sucks
Omg, a girl I used to be friends with LOVED the movie inspired by the book, but for all the wrong reasons.
@@GardenfRedRoses777 omg..
THANK YOU. The book makes it ver to clear that Dolores is an unwilling victim in this and tha Hubert is a sick man in the wrong. It clearly shows that his view of Dolores is wrong and not to be glorified, and it's written very well.
Nabokov said that Mr.Humbert IS a horrible person
That girls mouth went through so much lol
i almost gave up on it 💀
That's what she said
@@jayisawreck dam
@@ysaysaysaysa 👀
260'th like
it really annoys me when i see underage map/cp supporters because they don't know what they're promoting, or how harmful it actually is 🙄 like where are their parents???
it makes me sad and concerned like ykno ur asking where their parents r sometimes its their parents who traumatized them and caused their mindset to be like that 😐 (supporting map/cp) ... the adults around those kids failed them
I saw something about how they've been shamed for finding people their own age attractive and then deciding they're a map so they don't get shamed by the map community ...? But it just makes them more vulnerable to actual predators
Ngl it's probably just active grooming from adult maps in the community.
But twitter says it's ok so
I feel like these kids aren't ready for the internet.
All I have to say is that children are impressionable and some ppl’s parents aren’t watching them.
As an artist with "milk" in my name, we don't claim her sis. Absolutely disgusting. 🤮
Oh god all my usernames have milk in them too Jesus Christ. ugh
@Octopus Milk Aha why is everyone called milk!
I'm an artist too but my name is Divine_Raccoon. I'm a furry and I dont even make this weird fetish crap and furries are ASSOCIATED with weird fetish crap.
Edit: Changed my user
Oh god, my insta art acc has milk in it 😫.
@Gae stuff I agree ^^ !!!
Twitter is always dark tbh...
Mady B
So is youtube. But people seem more accepting of what happens on youtube.
@@Scoring57 True, True.
I’m genuinely scared and horrified of that website along with Tumblr
@@TheSwanqueenAndTheEldricth
But not youtube which is abundant with whyte apologetics and whyte racism?
@@Scoring57 yeaaa
Alternative title: A perfectionist redrawing a face for 30(sped up) minutes
Worth it, tho. Thum's drawing style is soooooooooo SO. Pretty 💜
@@lial2143 Ikrrr
That’s not funny.
It’s about the twitter shit, not her art in specific. Yes, it’s good. But, you need to focus on the actual topic. The fact the topic is serious too, that’s just dumb to say. I’m just trying to inform you, sorry if I sound rude. :/
@@Vee.does_randomshix I know the topic is serious and I paid attention to the video. I was just trying to make a lighthearted joke. I am not trying to take away from the seriousness, I am just trying to lighten the mood a little bit. And seems like she liked it too
*"Facts, change my mind."*
Actually in most places in Japan the age of consent is 18. 13 Is the lowest age people can set it too, and even then its only that low in 2small areas I believe.
There's only two places that have it set to 13, and they're both tiny territory islands.
THANK YOU!!!
@@meowser1905 can you give me a link to that, I believe you I just need it to prove someone wrong
@@imjungshook6373 “to prove someone wrong” 😂😂 but I think it’s not that hard to find.
I’m scared now :(..
One of these artists spent months on months harassing me, I was 14 (15 now) and his fans backed him up on the harassment and no one tried to call him out for the things he was being accused of. It still makes me so mad. I wish more videos like this were out there so i could feel like i have some justice. Thank you for making this video :''0
WHAT!? thats literally SO HORRIBLE???
That is horrible I’m so sorry
average adult twitter user. god people on that site are FREAKS
@@lemonmeat I just share my ugly ass art and follow meme accounts
i’m here after watching Michelle’s video 😎
Same gurl 👊🏽
Same bro
Hell yeah I'm so happy Michelle introduced us to Thumin. Her videos are amazing and both are great at structuring their videos 💕
Lol samee
WHEN I SAW SHERLISA MOE’S NAME
MY TWO FAVOURITE TWO TH-camRS?!
Same!! I’m kinda new to their channels but I’ve been binging their videos so this was a pleasant surprise
SAMEE
Same lol
A reminder the book Lolita does not glorifies CSA. As someone who studied and read the book, it is a story that cautions about the harms of CSA and how the abuser can control the narrative and twist it to their own liking. Cause the main character Humpert is an unreliable narrator.
In Japan it is illegal for 13 year olds to "do it" at all, making it the default age of consent. It is illegal for anyone to "do it" with someone under 13, yes. Though under the child welfare act if your unmarried and "do it" with someone under 18 that's illegal. It's like this mostly so if minors from the ages of 13-17 are caught "doing it" it is not illigal. This is a common misconception that really really should be talked about more!!!!
Finally someone who pointed this out.
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO DID THEIR RESEARCH! Amime fans try to use "muh age of consent in Japan in 13!!!" as an justification for watching pedobait but it isn't even TRUE.
@@KhayJayArtDon’t généralise them but, hell I wouldn’t consider them anime fans if they make similar expressions like that.
@@KhayJayArt Haha thanks, when i saw someone say the aoc was 13 i thought it was wrong and it was lol
It’s funny how everyone wants to bring up Japan and about how the FEDERAL age of consent is 13 but no one looks at the fact that the US has theirs set to 12
THEIR ACCOUNT WAS DELETED. YYYEEEESSSSS
We won
POG
they can make another account👁️👁️
@@chuuvisko Shush let us celebrate that we won
@@chuuvisko ip banned
You struggling on the face/Eyes was such a mood 😭
i was so ready to rage quit but somehow i managed to pull through at the end 💀💀
As a trans person, that is nothing close to transphobia. She's trying to turn the blame on the people calling her out.
Exactly and as one myself I'm so embarrassed because this is why so many people do not like the trans community
@@neonraindrop8357that’s not our fault lmao.
It made me smile so much when you said “Maps AKA pedophiles” because no one ever calls them what they are (pedophiles)
Say it like it is!
They👏are👏pedophiles!
Thank you for calling them what they are, no one seems to do that now adays and it’s wrong
Thank you! Whenever I say map, I usually refer to the thing that helps you navigate or multi-animator projects. I ALWAYS refer to pedos as pedos.
Wdym everyone called maps pedophile bc thats what they are
I mean, technically, they are not always pedophiles, pedophiles are only attracted to prepubescent kids. Attraction to kids in early teens is called Hebephilia and to late teens Ephebophilia. It is still just as bad and these people need help if they are not offending, or get arrested if they have consumed CP or abused a child.
@@devilbuster20xx37 or you can just say pedophiles. we don’t need to treat it like its a sexuality and have 50 different names for them. in fact, we shouldn’t. that’s exactly what the term Map is trying to do. it’s gross. actually, why do you even know that? rubs me the complete wrong way.
@@LiterallyAllNamesAreTaken Saw someone say it once, researched it to fact check it.
So, I'm apart of the Lolita fashion community. I just want to explain to everyone that there is a very big difference between Loli/Lolita h3ntAi, and Lolita fashion.
Lolita fashion is a subculture where people dress up in cute (or gothic) Victorian-inspired outfits. It's an expensive hobby, especially if you are plus-sized like myself. I don't even have a full outfit yet and I've been working towards it for about two years now. Lolita fashion is not generally fetishized like Loli/Lolita h3ntAi is, because many people in the community are adults. [Edit 1: Though respectfully different, I think of Lolita fashion as cosplay in terms of price, wigs, accessories, and elaborate design].
Loli/Lolita p0rn on the other hand, is disgusting and should be illegal in every country. Whoever enjoys or supports it should be in jail for the rest of their lives. I have nothing more to say on that subject.
Hey there! I've been a part of the community for a year now myself. I'm kind of worried that saying something about normal clothes on a video that covers very very disgusting topics might do more harm than good ;; especially saying to think of it as cosplay is off since it's really not.
Have a nice weekend!
@@dopecactus8513
Hi, thanks for leaving a comment and expressing how you feel. Like I said, my original comment was to clear up a misunderstanding. I did see a few comments compare Lolita fashion to Lolita XXX when the two were completely different, which is why I made the comment to begin with. It would do more harm than good if I did not clear up the misunderstanding at all, since people unfamiliar with the fashion would not know the difference.
And I only compared it to cosplay because it too is a very expensive hobby. Buying full detailed outfits, wigs, accessories, and so on. It was not meant to diminish the style or call it a costume as I now see that wording has done. You have a good weekend too!
@@emmahearth2870 I see! I didn't see any comments that mentioned the fashion so I was worried! I also get get why you mentioned cosplay now! Thanks for explaining!
@@dopecactus8513 It's no problem ^^ It was my own wording that probably confused you. I hope you have a good day :D
yeah, it should be obvious that lolita is just a fashion style.
Strawberry milk clearly had her mind ruined by her childhood. She needs to stop posting online and get real help.
Yeah, she should probs get therapy. Therapy isn't a magical cure to all your problems but it can sometimes help.
@@JamesCharIes to MAPs and according to their made up therapist, drawing child porn is therapy.
@@bigboomer1013 then don't post it online and keep it to themselves. If it helps, it helps but don't post it online.
Maybe let them decide how to handle themselves instead of having you police others. That's also an option.
@@ransidfur2180 the way they handle themselves is harming and impacting children even if it’s not directly so no
“Please don’t bully *trans women* making difficult art”
As a trans nb this is shit
This has nothing to do with you being trans. Sure some people might be assuming all trans people are like this and that’s not ok either
But this has nothing to do with that. Don’t deflect rightful comments about how you are in the wrong with “that’s transphobic :(“
it’s stupid. Honestly.
sorry: Instead of referencing to people the drama is abt, I use”you, yours, yourself” pronouns instead of actually doing the referencing, this wasn’t directed at thumin if anyone is confused 😟
As a trans person, we don't claim her. Naw, not one bit.
I personaly don't care if she is trans or not, she is an horrible woman who has done disgusting things... Trans people are people so is possible to find some bad ones in them
Me high watching her draw eyes 100 times like: 👁️〰️👁️
Oh no I went on Twitter and I immediately saw a guy (I will not say his @) who is married to their boo twin drawing this shit wtf
@@meoangeldragon you should report them..
@@oreowolfie5998 I did don't worry
@@meoangeldragon nah Twitter people wont give a shit they literally said we won't take down child porn but hey if you are white and straight
@@yourfatboy5359 You just had to add the last sentence?
I just realized she’s drawing Sherlisa 🤭 THAT’S SO COOL
[I think it’s Sherlisa]
The hair does look just like how sherliza styles hers
@@pastedino6670 didn’t I see you on mama eternal’s channel?? 😳😳 I could’ve sworn I saw someone with the same pfp
i understand that she was sexually abused, it’s an really traumatic and awful thing to happen, but her art that she makes is so wrong and an unhealthy coping mechanism
Yeah I agree. There’s a lot of coping mechanisms that are not healthy
This.
@@breadsrights6824 unfortunately theres so mcuh bad coping mechanisms I dont know which one is good
She should have kept her art to her self than sharing it to the public or just don’t draw them and share it
i agree a lot. even if she was doing something healthy for her, she should have kept it to herself and not shown people because it could hurt others. i do this myself (obviously not with this disgusting stuff, just stuff with gore and all) and im PRETTY sure the world doesnt need to see that so :/
While I completely agree with this video, I do wanna give an example I always use when talking about the difference between trauma art & CSEM: the comic "Daddy's Girl" - this was a comic that came out in the 90s that tackled an in*est-p*dophilc abuse situation and was used to tell a story about a girl being hurt by her father. The reason this works as a heartbreaking story is that it shows the trauma and it never normalizes what is happening.
I'm a firm believer that trauma artwork/media can and "should" be made, without comics such as Daddy's Girl and (strangely) episodes of Law & Order SVU I wouldn't have realized what I was going through was not right, and that I wasn't alone.
HOWEVER -
This work should never EVER be made in the same vein as normal NSFW. And trauma/vent should always be tagged properly for those who block the tags and restrict minors from viewing
My question to end off on to artists who make l*li/sh*tacon artwork is this: How would you feel if someone used your art to groom a real-life child?
That girls face has been adjusted so much I could feel the frustration through the screen
🙋🏾♂️ i just want to say that it is not a biological trait of men to find younger women attractive, rather it is social conditioning in cirtain circumstance, in the case of biology, humans (animals too) are genetically 'programmed'to find sexual maturity attractive ie.being attracted to someone their own age. Men who find younger women attractive is most likely to do with the man and not genetics. And i just want to say that not all men are that way, i am sure many of us are not depraved.
Yeah I also thought that was an extremely sexist statement
I was looking for this comment, specially because some people use this argument as an excuse, "men do these things because thats just how they are" and they avoid accountability
Thank you for that comment. The original statement implies that most men are ped0s which is just terrifying. The "it's biology" "explanation" is a terrible untrue excuse for folks to justify their actions and beliefs that they can control. Free will is real.
@@blu- Exactly. That statement shouldn't have been in the video at all.
Yeah maybe 20 year olds, but.. 12?? thats complete BS because if it WAS biological, it shouldn't be attraction towards those who can't bear children.
Personally, I believe that trauma art should be kept to oneself and if shared, shared with a professional who deals with people who have been through those traumatic scenarios before ESPECIALLY if there are depictions of children. The fact that milk said that calling a trans woman a p*do should not be done under any circumstance is extremely concerning! If people see you doing something that warrants that kind of response, then maybe you should look deep into yourself and question why people think that rather than accusing them of being transphobic and hating you because I feel like that is just a cop out. Anything that has to do with putting literal children explicit situations angers me to my core because how sick do you have to be to fantasize about children like that. That is absolutely disgusting and deplorable! Sharing art with this content can create spaces for people like Milk’s followers to grow and thrive and children to believe that this is okay because these adults are consuming this art and the art is being shown to them. Every time I here about people harming children i get so angry and so sad because how could someone be so cruel to do that to a child? And even if they are imagining them in explicit situations or consuming it in media, that’s so disgusting and wrong and sickening. Just unspeakably horrible. Sorry for any typos, topics like these make me heated and My thoughts are coming off the top if the head.
100%
I think trauma art shouldn't be fully kept to yourself and your therapist. It can be shared, because consuming such media also sometimes helps with coping. HOWEVER. It should be highly restricted. It shouldn't just be freely floating in the net for random people to see, especially children. It should AT LEAST be age restricted. AT LEAST. I know that it's hard for popular artists to do, but I know a person who requires people to talk to her and explain why they want to see certain art (and some other things, to be sure about them - even though she doesn't draw anything really unsafe, just usual NSFW, and she uses such a method to protect herself from stealing and posting things on net). I think it will make at least some difference. But - again, most of the times you don't become popular by drawing and sharing trauma art, I can't just see such a situation, it's just not how it works. If it happens, probably something isn't quite okay.
And you totally SHOULDN'T profit of it. Well, technically - I can totally see someone profiting of coping mechanisms of others (we already see it a lot in real world), but for art even in theory it sounds disgusting. It's awful. It's just... Unimaginable.
Once again, I already commented on Sherliza Moe's vid on it, I draw trauma art myself sometimes - I don't share it but I can see myself sharing it with people who experienced the same/similiar things, and I see how it can help them.
But honestly, another thing is that a lot of these "trauma arts" are not trauma art at all, it's a shell for just fetishizing, pedophilia and lots of other things, and it's SHOWING. It's SHOWING that THIS one piece wasn't made for cope but for personal/audience pleasure, especially for an eye of an actually traumatized person. And it's... Well. I don't know English enough to explain how I feel about it. Disgusting stuff.
@@anna84259 i totally agree! I have not drawn trauma art, however, if I did, i would prefer to share it with individuals who are close to me. I like the idea of it being age restricted to protect children and maybe even restricted so that not everyone can access it. That way it can be used as an actual safe space for people who have dealt with that type of trauma and find looking at art as a way to cope with it.
It also makes no sense how she says that calling a trans women a p*do in *any* case is wrong.
Guess what, trans people are just like every other person, thereby there are trans predators. They are only an extremely small minority and their existence should be not an argument agains trans rights, and being trans isn't an excuse for anything wrong you did. She is really harmful to the trans community as she's a reason for transphobes to say that trans women are predators, while being and predator and being trans is completely unrelated.
@@Adam-jc5tw Exactly. Jessica Yaniv comes to mind.
I miss the days when "map artist" meant cartographer
I miss the days when map artist meant animator who works on projects with other animators.
@@itsdripnovababy that too lmao
I miss the days when map was just a piece of paper that tells locations
the comments defending milk aren’t it.
those exist? .-_.- time to look the other way
@@fxlthyfool2815 oh yeah i saw one and got sick to my stomach
welp time to go to live in new zealand and just live with my sheeps and make sweaters from them ✨💕
I can't find it (thankfully xD)
Ur joking right 💀
While I'm against censorship, I am against what milk has done.
I am also against how irresponsible some people have been regarding this situation on TH-cam, by linking to that persons twitter in their descriptions, especially when said people have a large minor following, which makes a bad situation worse.
Cause now you have minors going somewhere and engaging with someone who creates exploitative works like this, and may even traumatize them.
Thank you for not linking to her socials.
It shows higher level of carefulness that others whove covered this lack.
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about the age of consent in Japan, the federal age of consent is 13, HOWEVER in the vast majority of its prefectures/states the age of consent is something closer to 17-18
its not really accurate to group all of Japan together like that
It’s funny how everyone wants to bring up Japan and about how the FEDERAL age of consent is 13 but no one looks at the fact that the US has theirs set to 12
@@braxtongirtman3674 SCUSE ME WHAT THE FUCK
@@braxtongirtman3674 wth
@@braxtongirtman3674 w u t
me, seeing the thumbnail: "map" means multi animator project
me, after watching the video, shakily: "map" mmeans multi an imator projectt
Remember!: Lolita is Also a aesthetic, usually using light colors, big eyes, and big poofy dresses. It is usually used in Japan. But, it’s not always about CP.
One thing that bugs me in this comment section is people getting confused and essentially calling lolitas bad. (lolita is a japanese fashion which is in no way sexual, i am a lolita myself)
Words with multiple definitions:confusing the frick out of people since the idiot who made them made them
The japanese Lolita style is often sexualized .
Trauma art is one thing, and even at that it should be very private between you and or close friends and your therapist , but she's making full profit off of these and triggering people terribly I don't care if this is trauma art , its still sexualizing kids and making a profit from it. Personally , I think she's using 'trauma art' and her being a trans women , as an excuse. If you create trauma art, and its that explicit , you should know better then to post it (in case of triggers) and make a profit off of it. (plus I'm pretty sure its kind of illegal)
EDIT: lol I didn't watch the full video when I commented this, now I sound like a repeat
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It's not trauma art 😄 Just like 1000 year old lolitas aren't a 1000 years old.
Yes exactly! People can make art to help with their trama without drawing child porn. Show your trama subliminally if you have to just please dont draw porn of children.
@@Scoring57 Exactly why I separated them in the very first you dingus 😁😁
I got into a whole argument with someone about this on another video about StrawberryMilk. They said they thought it was fine as long as the children drawn weren't actual children. I suggested that StrawberryMilk should private/age restrict their account or put a trigger warning on their posts because impressionable kids could see them and the person responded with 'It's not her responsibility.' LIKE-
(Though I agree, art like this shouldn't be posted and should only be shown to your therapist)
@@GardenfRedRoses777 I think we might have argued with the same person tahts the exact thing they said to me
17:31 That is extremely false. All men are not wired to be pr3d4t0rs that want to prey on children, and it's inaccurate to say that all men and only men are like this and never women which is how it comes off with the way she worded that. It just contributes to that stereotype that being male immediately makes you perverse, abusive, and untrustworthy and that women can never be nasty themselves.
Ur right but you’re missing the point
Yea it did come across as her having a hatred for men , for saying such a sexist comment.
Yes you have a point there but many other rape/SA/SH(sexual harassment) victims dont think the same, also sorry if this is unrelated
I literally screamed "NOOOO!" When I saw that tweet of a 16 yr old artist from the Philippines. As a 15 yr old Filipina we DO NOT CLAIM THAT PERSON. Throw them in jail! Throw them in the ranch!!
Also I'm pretty sure 16 yr olds can be legally considered as ped*s
yea it hurts my brain
Okay, I have to make things clear. I'm no pedophile and that time I was really immature and dumb. I do dumb sht. And also I have the weirdest case of comfort that time since I do have experience with when I was a kid
I was 16 and really oblivious with what's happening there. I didn't mean to be a pedo
I just thought their artstyle is cute. And again, I just learned that everything is out of context
I was oblivious with the whole situation and I thought creepshow art is throwing some another allegation like that one video from her racist thing
But again. I'm sorry if I commented that and me being really childish. I'm alr 18 now and I've change.
MORAL of the story is I have to be aware about everything and stop being a weak ass kid for getting deceived by their cute artstyle
I didn't knew all this time that she draws CP. I thought that her style is cute and all
And yes. I do believe p3d0s deserve to go to jail and should live in ranch. They don't deserve to have freedom
As a 11 y/o filipina ,that's just disgusting a 16 y/o likes this stuff >:(
have said every single fuckign thing I've ever said on this matter, thank you for putting a video of it up. I've had to draw trauma art, I had an art therapist and years later, I still drew shit to help me through my trauma. some of this shit was disgusting and sexual in nature, but it was NEVER drawn in a cutesy manner, in fact, I remember everything I ever drew was covered in tear stains because I was UPSET while drawing this shit. tear stains ruined all the ink and markers I used, and I NEVER would have posted ANY of this art that I made for PROFIT. let alone post it on the internet at fucking all!!! I threw it all away when I was done because of how disgusting it was.
there is nothing wrong with drawing trauma art to get through your traumatic past, but when you start to monetize cutesy drawings of kids in sexually explicit situations and claim it's "just trauma art" and when you're called out for it you go "oh, I'm trans though, and you all coming to me with your opinions of WHAT I PUBLICLY PUT OUT ON THE INTERNET is transphobia bullying, all of you art TERFs who don't understand trauma -peace emoji-"
I'M TRANS, I'VE BEEN THROUGH TRAUMA, IN NO WAY WOULD I EVER MONETIZE MY TRAUMA ART OR CLAIM "TRANSPHOBIA" WHEN I'M RIGHTLY CALLED OUT FOR SOMETHING.
no one would fucking care about what Stwawberry drew IF THEY WERE ALL ADULTS!!!
the only reasons people care is because she's depicting children engaging in sexually explicit situations, making money off of these images, and claiming people who call her out "don't care about trauma victims" and "are transphobic"
I'm even seeing people in the comments on this video saying the same shit: "this proves none of you care about trauma victims"
WE FUCKING CARE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE CALLING THIS PERSON OUT.
THEY'RE USING THEIR PAST TRAUMA AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE TRANS TO CONTINUE MAKING MONEY OFF OF ART OF CHILD PORN. THAT'S FUCKING INSULTING TO OTHER VICTIMS OF TRAUMA.
if StrawberryMilk wants to keep drawing this, I really don't fucking care, but don't fucking post it, let alone MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT.
I'm positive she could make money off other things she draws, she could just draw adults??? it's... not that hard????? to not draw porn of children??? no one is putting a gun to her head saying "DRAW AND POST THIS CHILD PORN FOR MONEY OR DIEEE"
it's her own choice, she's a grown ass woman choosing to post this. no one is immune to criticism.
StrawberryMilk's art style is fucking adorable, I'll admit that. I'm an artist too and I know talent when I see it. but it's being WASTED by her pandering to pedophiles and other degenerates and parading it around as "trauma art by a trans woman uwu"
stop standing up for her, she's a deplorable grown ass woman using the "trans" and "trauma art" excuses to sell drawn child porn.
Ty.
It's so terrible that people get away with romanticizing, supporting, and perpetuating child abuse and other forms of abuse
Fictional.
@@hecutsdown91thats based upon real stuff
@@hecutsdown91if you're turned on by such material, then you're sick in the head & with constant consumption of such stuff, the person would pursue another high constantly.. till god forbid, they'd start hurting kids for their sickly pleas#&&
&you're being really creepy by defending those materials in the replies.
How is Twitter this dark in that community omg
Twitter is always dark. I recommend staying away from it
@@gage519
And youtube? There's been an abundance of racism among many other toxic things as well as sexual videos of children on youtube but people like to pretend twitter is somehow worse.
there's also A LOT of racism in the art community on twitter. Like I know that "blackwashing" is kind of controversial but people were literally getting death threats and hate and shit just bc they drew Princess Peach w dark skin or whatever.
@@kisinaa8032
But what's unique to twitter is racists can actually be called out on there and it's where they go to be "canceled" 😄 (the thing everyone wants to demonize for some reason). That doesn't really happen on youtube. You could also get just as much hate on youtube for calling out white racism where it seems pretty normalized. And unlike with twitter you don't really see that counter balance
Racists also get far more upset for being booted off youtube than they do twitter.
i mean every social media where communities are born have this underground side to it, it's not the site's fault it's accessibility
I'm more surprised that Twitter is still allowing this🤔🙄
most of ceos are pedos 😐
i never share my trauma/vent art, i even glue a page of it in a fold in my sketchbook bc it is only a one time thing and only for someone like a therapist and if no therapist then no one. i feel like if the vent art is just straight up children in inappropriate situations then it shouldn’t be shared.
Hey so this might've been said in earlier comments: but the book Lolita by Nabokov is explicitly against the sexualisation of its titular character. Lolita isn't even the name of the character the main character is pursuing, but specifically a name that she is called in order to romanticise and depersonify her. The book never sexualises the minor, frequently depicts the gruesome, disgusting ways that the predator acts and thinks of justifying his behaviour, as well as frequent disgust expressed by its narrator telling the story of the predator.
If you draw cp, Lolicon and shotacon you need to be eliminated from the universe.
something shyy
But lolita is legal, and seems widely accepted in many parts of the anime community.
@@Scoring57 in many places it’s not legal, and the reason why it’s seen as normal in the anime community is because anime is always going to have a lot of taboo subjects normalized in the community that normal people will always look down on
@@ratfuk789
Just cause it has it doesn't it should be seen as normal. Also we're discussing someone drawing basically the same thing but as an individual artist. Seems kind of hypocritical to consume it from anime but get outraged when it's from an individual. Shouldn't it just be banned across the board if this is a problem and they're the same thing?
@@Scoring57 I’m trying to understand your comment. You said lolita is widely accepted in many parts of the anime community, I said that because anime already has taboo subjects that are normalized in its own community that normal people will look down on, this doesn’t mean I support it at all, it’s just something I’ve seen happen in the community.
You also never said anything about individual artists, but if you want my personal opinion (coming from an artist), I believe no matter how big or how small the artist is, they should at least hold themselves accountable for their implications and context of said artwork, instead of ignoring it and making the situation worse than it needs to be. (though I’ve seen people on both sides of the lose their absolute shit over this discussion, personally i think it’s not something to put a lot of thought into, I could care less honestly)
@@ratfuk789
That normal people will look down on? But anime is watched by a lot of "normal people". It's not an outsider looking in sort of thing. It's fair to ask why there wouldn't be or isn't the same attitude towards it in anime even if it's the norm for anime to possess taboo. That didn't stop anyone from having issues with these twitter artists. In their community it's pretty normal for them too
Yeah initially I didn't mention 'individual artists' but that kind of goes without saying doesn't it since those are the type of people we're discussing?
Honestly, even if what she created constituted as trauma art, i cannot imagine why you would want to commodify your trauma like that. I mean, the point of trauma art is to help you move on from your trauma, but if its a large part of your income, the likelihood of her letting herself move on from it is small. I mean, why would you let go of something that provides some kind of financial stability? (As much as art can, anyways.) Obviously there's a lot else wrong with the whole situation, but I just cannot imagine why you would want to sell your trauma to others like that, especially in a way that romanticizes and promotes the things that caused that trauma to begin with.
not me aggressively waiting for her to FINALLY FINNISH THE MOUTH
I googled what toddlercon meant. I never regret something so much.
Thanks for the warning. 😢
@꧁LA꧂ The sexualization of babies and toddlers
@꧁LA꧂ yea it's fucked yp
I mean you can kind of understand it just by the name
dude I thought it was like- a convention for lil kids (like ComicCon or Bronycon or some shit), but I remembered the context of the video and I went "aw fuck nah-"
I hope that memory gets wiped out of your mind bruv, you (and anyone else) don't deserve the horror
I am honestly scared for every minor who has or has yet to be encountered by a predator.
I recently received anonymous text messages from people I didn't know. Usually that wouldn't have bothered me since I get messages from people who knew the person who last had my number. But this time it was different.
The people (who I'm pretty sure were adult males) were sending suggestive requests and giving links to inappropriate websites as if they knew I was a female.
I told my mom, my friends, and my therapist about it. They all said the best solution is to block the texts and get my phone checked. But now I'm worried that at some point, these predators will end up tracing my phone number, finding my house, and doing horrible things to me and my younger sister. If not us, they could torture the children of the man who had my number last.
It is best for the entire world to keep people like Milk and other predators from affecting minors and scarring them for life.
I wasn't allowed to have a phone when I was younger, so I can't relate to this fear. But I hope it consoles you that a stranger cannot trace/track your exact location unless you allow it. Meaning you would have you click on their link or go to an inappropriate site of your own free will. If you feel like someone is tracking you through your phone, I recommend shutting your phone down completely, removing the battery, and putting it back in (if anyone is tracing you, this will stop it). I also recommend you start using private browsers like incognito mode, and disable your GPS. Stay safe!
No do it like the movies toss that phone in some junkyard miles away.
@@Inyayo Well it might not matter after today. My grades could get my phone taken away.
@@londonmorant7000 bruv keep your head up please
When thumin uploads and you know its going to be a good Thursday!!!!
Thank you for this video. I am also 14 and didn’t actually see the issue with any of this because I just didn’t care and thought “why does it matter their just drawings” recently though this mindset started to bother me because I felt like I should care and I was starting to question if I was like any of these people too which made me extremely uncomfortable. But after watching this it kind of gave me a new perspective on why this bothers people so much, which helps a lot because I felt kind of gross before :,^D
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Not really related to the topic here, but just wanted to clarify, the book Lolita Is about the point of view of how a pedophile sees what's happening around him, and Vladimir Nabokov (the author) when he was still alive, said that he was disgusted at the protagonist of the book, and refered to him as a horrible person many times, Vladimir Nabokov was not a pedophile himself, and I'm just saying this for people who might have gotten confused by the statement in the video
Imma share this so people will be aware, me being a filipino, ive seen tons of my fellow filo liking hentai, especially lolicon/shotacon, and no one dares to say anything about it. I feel like in my country, especially otakus and weebs here, dont really care about whats right or wrong. Its like, even if someone calls them out they just really dont care and would rather boost about there wrong choices or doings. Honestly more stuff to say about this but im gonna end it here.
Yikes, that sounds disturbing to deal with.
21:17 I believe that "no map" actually stands for "non-offending minor attracted person". Great video though, and thank you for actually researching trauma art. I've seen too many videos about this person where they excuse her actions just because they don't understand trauma art, and they don't want to offend anyone.
When I say no maps are okay, I mean that pedophiles are not okay
I don’t like that someone could have a bio that seems against pedos and they are pedos
21:30 "nomap" doesn't mean "not a map". It means "non-offending map" which is supposed to mean that they don't sexually offend minors
Why do i like Thumin's accent so much? She just sounds like that one pretty smart girl :o
My brother and I were sexually assaulted when we were younger. We are both seeing somebody for our issues to this day (7-8 years later). Because of it I'm an asexual person. The trauma sticks, and it is something that will never, EVER, goes away. But neither of us has once thought about selling or profiting off of it in any way. This girl is very disturbed and needs to seek professional help. I can't believe she is allowed to sell this kind of art legally... There should be laws against this to prevent its normalization, or the distribution of it to MAP individuals.
Even though it has been a year I am so sorry that happened to you and your brother. I hope both of you are well now, this sort of stuff needs to be stopped.
This stuff shouldn't ever be on the internet and the only way it could be taken down, is legally but unfortunately, for whatever reason, drawing CP isn't illegal.
@@mikubrot Bro no there is no reason for it to be legal and it obviously shouldnt be
oh hey
Justice system needs to do better
Istg the way thumin draws is so satisfying to watch
I hope the people who were defending Stwabewwy milk sees this video because seeing the accounts she was following really puts a different light on this situation. Because like even if you are a lax person when it comes to what is and isn't a acceptable topic for art you shouldn't really be defending her since it's obvious something ups with her.
The book "Lolita" isn't a erotica, the point of the book is that the narrator is untrustworthy, that his sick mind would make excuse of what he was doing is right, that his victim deserved, that she provoked his reaction, that it wasn't rape because he convinced himself that she wanted. The point of the book isn't transform Lolita in a sex object, but some sick people had readed that way, especially because of the movies based on the book, the movies are simply disgusting, they made look like Lolita actually was some kinda of seductress, they took the side with the pedophile point of view.
My mom told me this a bit ago "safer isn't safe" so in the case of this situation "less harmful is still harmful". Come on America, make this stuff illegal.
Milk saying her art is to cope with her trauma makes me want to say this. NOT ALL COPPING MECHANISMS ARE GOOD/PREDICTIVE/HELPFUL !! Just because it makes you feel better doesn’t make it’s good. Please go get professional help and find good helpful copping mechanism that will help you overcome your trauma.
As a transfem, we don’t claim her.
I miss when MAP only meant multi animator project.
I miss when map was the thing pirates used to find a treasure 😭
I personaly dont like the whole “aging up underage characters for p*rn” stuff because its still quite disgusting to think that someone thought of a minor in a sexual way and actually made s*xual art of them, even if they aged them up
right .... like great its not csem at least but why .... r u looking at a 10 yr old and thinking "wow i want to see them getting ****" in the first place 🤢???
same
what??? but people dont do that. People usually age up minor characters and adjust the design. Designs arent biologically linked to age, which is why you can slap it on anyone, unlike irl. If someone wants to age up a character that means they find the design appealing but isn't comfortable with the canonical age of them.
And most of the time the character looks same -__- like if you're gonna age them up at least make them more muscular or have shorter/longer hair
@@skittlecornnation4323 did you even watch the video? They said that they would age up a minor to draw porn of them, making what you said nonsense.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO! I've seen people call Creepshow Art (someone I still support) a bully for calling Milk's content what it was. As someone who's unfortinately seen archives of her work... I've never thrown up in my mouth so much.
Never stop being awesome! ❤
fun fact, the age of concent in japan is actually 16- not 13
I paused at Loli and Shota-con, took a breath, got some water, then came back. It’s gonna be a wolf ride isn’t it?
I agree so much with this video. It's perfectly ok to draw Trama art, but Personally it should be kept private. It could trigger other people viewing it to do really bad things or relapse in some way. MAPs aren't making this any better, and exposing more material like this to them. I'm glad Twitter is finally doing something about it.
I want MAPs to go back to Multi Animator Projects
Such a shame. That’s terrible! If she drew her pfp, I would have actually liked her style. But instead she wastes is on horrible illustrations and makes PROFIT out of them.
She probably thinks the movie Cuties is ok
There’s always a dark side when it comes to Twitter.
Twitter Is h3ll
The only thing I disagree with here is saying “it’ll cause men to be more attracted” no it’ll cause PEOPLE to be more attracted, sincerely a victim of a woman molestation
Thank you for respecting her identity as a trans woman. So many people say shit like "you did something bad so why should I use your pronouns??", (not to me) and it sucks.
Yeah, people act like correct pronouns are somehow a privilege that can be taken away as you please.
All I’m gonna say before watching this (based off the title) is
Oh no, oh god no please no why please why does Twitter even exist-
I'm a bit late, I wanted to really take the time to watch.
I'm so happy you are still so respectful and factual when talking about topics like this.
This is *REALLY* important, since people tend to listen to people with a lot of followers without *thinking for themselves* or questioning what they're listening to.
Love the speedpaint, it honestly helps a lot with processing this information.
I don't really follow artists like this, but I completely agree with everything you just said. And I don't *JUST* say something like that.
Thanks, Thumin. Miss you, bud. Have a nice one!
Fantastic video! I think this is so important to talk about right now and I wish YT didn't try to censor and block discussion of these topics.
you have respectful and informed commentary about important topics, and on top of that, your art is amazing. keep it up!
These topics are so uncomfortable but it's so important to talk about. I just wish these things didn't exist..
I'm pretty sure all men aren't wired to be attracted to children or younger women (especially not children) and in fact, a lot of men see that as gross. Remember, there's no age preference for gender and it's not just men who hurt kids. After all, cougars are a thing and they usually date younger men in their late teens or 20s, and women can also be child @busers. If you two ever plan on touching on the subject of this video or doing a follow-up, I hope you can fix that particular point since it's a common misunderstanding put out there by misandrists to make people think that all men are preds.
People were dragging Creepshow Art for calling out Strawberry Milk but I don't understand how people can defend them.
Creepshow got dragged cause they linked back to the Twitter, where many of her minor fans went to aggys twitter to engage and harass them.
And made false claims about the illegality of it without research, thus leading to people providing proof of Creepshow providing misleading legal information.
And biggest callout was if by Creepshows standards this was csem they (Creepshow) are guilty of distribution of csem by linking to milks twitter, especially when Creepshow knows she has a sizeable following with minors.
This lead to Shannon later addressing it with a retraction and apology.
Thumin at no point has done shown or linked to mikks art, thus no criticism to be had.
@@meowser1905 Oh alright, yeah she shouldn't have linked the Twitter as minors end up getting exposed to that crap.
But a lot of people were defending Strawberry Milk saying their trauma made it valid for them to draw that.
I don't think Thumin's video is bad?? She handled this very well.
@@xTatlTaelx creepshow didn't show all the sides to it. It's true that there isn't anything wrong drawing trauma art to cope, but using it for profit was the issue, and creepshow failed to address it. She believes that ANYONE who indulges in such fictional work are offenders, when that isn't the case at all.
xTatlTaelx same, I think Thumin handled this well and with professionalism
@@meowser1905 yeah, I couldn’t watch Creepshow’s video, because it came across as an angry rant that wasn’t well thought out. If I wanted that, I’d read the Twitter threads. Thumin’s video treated it with a lot more care and thoughtfulness and finally let me learn about this “drama.”
The age of consent in Japan isn't actually 13. This the minimal limit at wich each japanese "province"(don't remember how they're called) can choose to set sexual majority, what I mean is that they can't go lower than 13, not that sexual majority is 13 everywhere in japan (it's hard to explain bc english isnt my first language but I suggest you look it up to have more infos)
“The Dark Side of Twitter-“
Bro all of Twitter is dark wdym?? 👏😂
The word "twitter" strikes fear Into the hearts of many
Also ur art is rlly pretty C:
The age of consent in Japan is not 13. That's the MINIMUM age you could lower the age of consent to. In most prefectures, the age of consent is 16-18.
hopefully twitter can enforce their new policy on people like this if they haven't already. this is just disappointing and depressing knowing that child can be drawn in such scenarios, and i'll never understand how people can rationalise the sexualisation of children a/o their attraction to children. doesn't matter if it's cp or csem it's still wrong to exploit kids like that.
The beautiful speedpaint is the only thing that held me together during this video. :'>
Thanks for making this video Thumin, it was hard to listen to but very informative.
I've only watched 1/3 so far but I want to mention that the older I get(I'm 25 now) the more it shocks me realizing how normalized shotacon and lolicon was in the communities I was when I was 13 to 17 y/o. No wonder I ended up falling into the trap of a pedophile when I was 16(I barely passed as 14 and still to this day I look like a "legal minor" and attract 40-50 y/o creeps)
Edit: a few months ago I debated with one of Strawberry Milks followers about her content and with the mindset that "fetish isn't different than mere fiction" .. let's say those people are hard to convince that what they do and support is wrong. dw I was nice, at least I tried my best
It's embarrassing on how some grown adults support this, and act blind like they don't know that being a p3do is wrong. I hate that people use excuses. Like being in the lgbtq+ doesn't mean you have rights to do disturbing things like this, you're still human you're not a goddess that deserves respect. And the fact that milk used this excuse and called someone transphobic, this just gets on my nerves.
Can we cancel Shadman while we are at it? His art is disgusting
Actually let's cancel shadman for drawing pron of keemstar's daughter because that's actually illegal 😾 canceling people for pixels that doesn't even have any correlation of a real life breathing child is a dumb idea and litterally doesn't stop any abuse
@@drinkwater5766 You’re real stupid. Why. Just why isnt drawing fictional children bad? How is that okay in any way? Well those ”pixels” affect us
I love how you make different and new art for each video. A lot of art commentary channels use the same artwork for everu video. I don't mind it when they do that since they just don't have time but it is amazing how you make time to create new art for every video.
stumbled upon your Inktober vid, and now i am absolutely hooked on your art and calming voice! i draw while i listen, and i love hearing your opinions on art related topics - very refreshing