The fact that I stepped away from the game in 2018 and came back 6 years later to learn that people still say, "They C9'd," is one of the funniest things. Poor C9.
Probably because it's so freaking common! you dont know how many times I'm causing absolute chaos in the backline as sombra, poking/killing players returning to a fight, taking 1-3 players out of the fight to chase me, the team wins and fails to claim objective, so i have to run back and do so, only for them to loose the next fight because i'm no longer in position.
I think it's pretty hilarious how obvious the CSGO background is with him being bronze yet basically instantly recognizing what the headshot-height is for certain angles and stuff like that. I also feel like he might be playing pretty low sensitivity
Yeah usually val and cs players play at like 400-800 edpi so 2.0 sense in game with a mouse dpi of 200-400. That’s how mine is at least. Some heroes are rough because of it.
@@Mononitol that's not how it works brother. Edpi works differently depending on the game you playing. Check the mouse sensitivity converter if you want to know more about it :D
That's exactly how edpi works... Edpi is just sens*dpi and is the exact same for all games without acceleration. What is different is how much sens you actually need to get the same amount of real life to in game translated movement. Cm or inches to a 360.
@@UsernameXOXO yeah I didn’t want to complicate it but definitely. My sense in call of duty is 2.5 and my sense in overwatch is 2.0, both feeling identical.
19:00 it's so clear that they're a valorant/csgo player from the way he handles the junkrat interaction, he plays far more 2d than 3d, he could've easily went for a jump and absolutely destroyed that junkrat, but you can't do that in csgo for example, i think it's a habit that people can't move in such a 3d way in most shooters outside of overwatch
There are a ton of shooters that have as much if not more movement than ow. Yes to the flying and bouncing and even grappling hook stuff. In valorant and cs you could play on a 1:3 vertical to horizontal sensitivy and do just fine most of the time. I can tell he just doesn't yet know to fear the open skies or sneaky corner.
@@DomenG33K not that I don't agree with you guys about it not being a lot of games, I personally love Destiny 2 for the insane movement you can pull off
@@DomenG33K The _entire_ arena shooter genre has equivalent mobility, and is arguably more skill-based, as this is the direct ancestor to class-based shooters like team fortress and overwatch. Tribes as well has a comparable degree of mobility and verticality. Most of the parkour shooters to a lesser degree, ie Black Ops 3, Titanfall 2, Warframe, etc.
It's fascinating that someone this mechanically gifted is down there and is so stuck in the mindset that supports are just helping the team constantly, which is the case in basically every other game, but in overwatch half the support roster are just dps that can heal.
"Mechanically gifted" the bars low. Watch the illari duel. His mouse control is not good for what he's claiming to be especially since global was insanely hard to hit in Csgo because of the cheater density from le-ge. Maybe valorant ascendant but that seems low for a GE cs player. He's also playing against bronze players who are foreign to the concept of strafing.
@@ubadman1 What part of his aim is high level? His mediocre crosshair placement? His tracking falls apart when the target doesn't move in the same direction or linearly. His flicks are hardly flicks? Am I missing something?
This was a super helpful spectating Bronze video. Funny enough, his gameplay kinda reminded me of my own in some ways, and I’m currently Plat in both tank and support. Good mechanical skill that often makes up for brainless moments (that I’m now being punished for as I keep climbing). I actually learned a lot about both Kiri and Bap from this as well. You’re the best, Flats!
Sometimes i'm like "Yeah perfect (thing) would've done the same" and flats is like "Nah it would've been bettter there" And im like "OHHH so that's why im gold"
@@cd7677 Gold is average playerbase so if you're not actively trying to improve your gameplay in measurable ways. Most people will get stuck around there if they have average skill levels. If you want to improve my best advice is find your biggest weakness or mistakes. Then spend a week or more consciously thinking about that every game you play until it becomes second nature. It's likely you will lose some games hyper fixating on just one part of your gameplay, but in the long term it will become automatic and will help you do it without thinking. Unless you're incredibly mechanically gifted it is hard to make it past plat without learning how the game works ult exchanges cooldown exchanges team comps how to kite etc. If you are trying to climb and dedicate to it I'm sure you will make progress best of luck!
he's definitely a dps player but doesn't know it yet edit: crazy to think a lil window and lamp spam at the end would have probably won them the game, people dont understand how important supports are to shift the tide in this game.
easier to blame the team and environment factors. While such simple plays may be simple in execution, they're complex in understanding -and anything that is complex in understanding is often neglected in favor of "muh team bad I deserve higher rank so I can be allowed to make mistakes and not see the team fall apart as a result of any time I'm slacking".
Not it bronze broski. Not in bronze. The only thing that matters in bronze is pure mechanical diff diff annihilation. Had to pick up new acc to play with a brand new friend to let him learn at lower hiden elo took Zarya and I had 120 Elims per life with 25k dmg per 10 mins. In bronze you just go full W if you are good at aiming and that’s it. You won’t get healed enough and your dps won’t do anything so whether you stay alive or not is all about your own dmg output. P.S. I really doubt that this guy is GE in CS, aim seemed kinda bad for such a high rank.
@@Xfacta12482 well yeah you are right but I also clearly remember my first time playing over watch. Sure, it was OW1 it was really different from what we have now (sad tears) but I also came from a high level Counter Strike and I managed to get plat and then diamond in my first competitive season without understanding abilities or timings that much. My point is ELO Hell doesn’t exist in bronze.
A big problem for this guy as well is that his teammates are also bronze. He is mechanically better than everyone else, but his teammates will quickly start bitching that they're not getting healed enough.
his aim is better but not all of his mechanics the dudes brain locks up in basic situations. Flats is trying to not be a dick but he isn't comboing ults he didn't use suzu properly etc. He's definitely a low elo player but his mindset is there so he will climb quick once he becomes more familiar with the game. most of being a high elo player in multiple games is just having the mindset and I can tell this guy has it he's just not familiar/comfortable with the game.
that's not a problem, that's just an event that occurs that he doesn't need to be concerned with. If he DOES concern himself with their complaints, THEN it becomes a problem.
@@airwick5111 thats not due to mechanics, that's due to information overload and not having core habits locked in. This will happen to anyone if they get info overloaded, first thing that tends to freeze are mechanics even for great players. This happens even to GM ranked players who join scrim teams for the first time and have to do so much coordination in real time that they get so overwhelmed through info overload that their natural mechanics devolve into what looks like diamond or plat -cus their focus is so strained even their core skillsets get affected. Once this player gets some experience and builds game sense, their mechanics will naturally get both better but also much more consistent, just by proxy without even having to actively improve at the mechanics themselves.
Yeah, it's always funny why new players from other FPS games get the Overwatch experience and get confused on wtf is going on. I've played for so long that I get desensitized from it. lol
Why I'm loving to watch Flat's video is he really knows what he's talking about. He knows every role inside out, he could be the best coach for an e-Sports pro Team or a great commentator.
At the end he basically calls the guy an idiot and points out the obvious mistake without addressing it. The guy clearly doesn't understand how window interacts with the payload. A good coach would have caught on to that and explained how it works in more detail than "Pop that bitch". He knows what he's talking about but can't he wouldn't be a good coach, not with that approach lol.
Dangle is a good example of having fps experience, decent aim and being intuitive which is important for the ppl in chat whenever they doubt Flats' assessment of cheaters with "Oh they have insane aim because they came from (insert game here)".
imma be honest, i think this has been the most helpful video even for me with stuff like thinking about where they are going to go like at around 10:40 (never thought too deep on it) plus the timing on the heals and shots for both kiri and bap (granted i don't really play either of them often) btw i'm high gold-low plat so that should explain the lack of knowing these things
Let me put that fight with the rat at 24:55 into words a Val player will understand: you have what amounts to a stinger. Junkrat is basically Raze with a shorty. Running into tiny rooms is an awful lot like pushing smoke. Don't go pushing smoke with a stinger, especially if you know for a fact they have some rat with a shorty waiting in there -- well, unless you're willing to use lamp, but that's where this analogy breaks down pretty quickly.
05:40 I didn't know that was a term, but that's what happens to me way too often as well to be honest. When stuff gets chaotic I tend to hyperfocus on one thing and lose the rest or just lose myself entirely from the start and stupid stuff starts happening.
seeing how good his mechanical skill is, and how bad his game sense is, I'm not surprised to see Mauga as his most played character cause he probably feels much more powerful playing him.
@@artmanrom Placements can still be a game-changer with a bit of luck, since normally a win gives you around 20% so even a 10 wins streak will move you up 2-3 divisions at most, meanwhile placements move you 1-2 divisions per game. Mine started with predicted bronze 2, finished in gold 3, two whole ranks from just 10 games.
Even after the rank reset I'm hard stuck on bronze but for dps. And my highest rank is support being silver 3 and on DPS I'm bronze 3/2, tank bronze 1. And I came from TF2 and I didn't play medic that much but did overwatch turn me into a support player?
My guy is holding onto abilities like they cost money or something. But for reals, I don't think Flats called him a walnut once, so Flats must respect this guy a lot.
something that flats said there at the end is so true. I play mostly league, but the concept of "just commit" is so true. If you sit there and think to yourself "should i ult? what if i get ganked?" etc, then the enemy is going to get a cd back, take lane prio, and set up a gank. if you have an opportunity take it and commit to it. even if it isnt the best, you will never learn if you dont take those risks. Say you ult and you do get ganked and die, then you think "i should track the enemy team better." if you get the kill then you know "if i see X character use a core ability (cc or empowered passive etc) then i know i can ult and kill. TL:DL do nothing, learn nothing
Lol it's wild how the skill gap hits different in OW! You can be cracked in one game and just lost in another 😂. Watching him try to adapt but still dropping the ball is so relatable, we’ve all been there! You really gotta give props to players who can switch games like this! 🕹️✨
A little add-on for 19:20, he could've continued to the right side to deny the junk from both the mega and the rotation out! As for the tire argument, take the highground, charge up a new jump for if he chooses to go onto you, wait till you know where it is, shoot it while trying to read who he decided to target, shoot it or lamp the squishy if needed (The second you lamp the squishy, the junkrat will have to choose a new target, which should give you enough time to kill the tire, especially in the lower ranks!) , and shoot it. If your team doesn't walk into the tire, there should be time to shoot it down, you only have to hit 4 bullets on bap, and your team should be shooting it as well, but on hitscan characters the tire is 90% your job.
I refer to your OW moment as the "collapse." Usually ppl say everything collapsed when your team falls in on itself, but i say its when all the ults go off. Cause thats exactly what happens. 95% of the time, when all the ults begin going off like dominos, its a collapse in more than one way.
Man, I opened my game to check Baptist skills info and nowhere there tells you that hitting the grenade directly heals for more, I had no idea about that either. This game seriously needs to have better info on their own abilities in game, it sucks having to rely on wikis or YT videos to learn how their abilities actually work. I would also appreciate some detailed info with the numbers of healing/damage/boosts etc that the abilities give, at LEAST on the Heroes page if they don't want to bloat the in-game F1 menu.
As someone who comes from other competitive games, I just hated OW2 presentation of information. I still don't understand why there's no advanced stats page... it's 2024, folks. Why do I need to tab out of your game to find out basic info about your game!
This actually helps my mindset so much I started playing at the beginning of season 11 and I'm hardstuck in bronze (going from 1 to 2 over and over) while having 1500+ healing every round on kiri I know I need to be doing more damage but I struggle to aim from so far away and my team immediately gets rolled if I step away for even a second or stop heal botting. I think I just need to start being more selfish and let people fall over when they do stupid plays lol I'm not saying I'm on par with this player mechanically ofc but I know I'm having similar mindset and gamesense issues. Thanks for the vid flats!
Yeah in low ranks feels like supports role is to help people get out of fights they cannot handle or get them ready to go back in. The rest of the time you are a utility dps or flanker. The number of games where tanks do not take/hold space or dps do not secure kills is incredible. Straight healbotting only works when your team can do their roles effectively otherwise healing doesn't do much but delay/extend fights and allow the enemies to build extra ult charge. A "cheat" for low rank support is focusing the most impactful player on your team instead of diversifying between all of them, even if it is a flanker or a long range poke. Starting in mid gold or higher you can play closer to how you would think support should be played. Another thing is that since the soft rank resets the skill range is insane so you have to pay attention to who is actually good or bad much more closely.
getting 1000 per minute is the bare minimum, so don't be proud about getting 1500+ per round.If you really want to improve,try playing flankers and tanks such as roadhog that need to get close to get value.
Despite what dps and tanks say, you should be doing more damage in general. When I was playing open queue I partnered with a silver support (diamond open queue) who had more healing per 10 than me but I was gm1 at the time. It's really easy to heal someone when the damage source is gone. You'll heal less because of it but you'll win more and winning is the goal. If you dropped 5k heals for 5k damage per game you'll notice a huge difference (assuming you aren't just shooting the tank for damage)
Hands down the biggest advice I give to any support trying to climb out of metal ranks is stop trying to babysit their team. If they are out of LOS that shit is on them. Do damage. If they need healed weave in heal with damage. But never compromise your positioning to "save" someone out of position. You're more likely to die trying to save someone that needs to learn how to position in the first place.
When I was doing my placement coming back to the game after 1 year of not playing, I just played brig every game bronze - silver. She will give you the freest 70-80% win rate ever.
this was the most helpful one of these for me that I've seen especially when you're talking about pathing, I'm at about 70 hours of playing so I'm still fairly new and I play a lot like this guy because I play Paladins where healing is a lot more impactful (mostly because the passive is shown on health bar)
that whole "sometimes your teammate's in too deep, and you just cant save them, so don't bother trying" is something i wish more supports understood. i'll overextend as ball sometimes, and my kiriko will tp to me, abandon the rest of our team, die, and flame me 😭 like sure i shouldnt have overextended, but if she stayed with the team then they would've been fine during the 2 seconds it would've taken me to roll back from spawn
Amazing video Flats, happy to see you're still doing the spectating bronze! A slight bit of criticism for your spectating bronze's though, just as someone who tried to use your videos to climb out of bronze in the first year of Overwatch 2. You're advice is all great, I just feel like you're giving too much higher level advice. I know this is because this player obviously doesn't deserve this rank. But tbh I think it's going to make them get easily frustrated at their teammates and make it a whole lot harder to climb. So next spectating you do with someone who is brand new to the game I recommend trying to explain more things in the game. While it's not always going to be helpful when they do watch it, it could help them understand where those mistakes are causing the game to get harder. Also, I know it's gonna be harder to explain as someone who's been playing for so long. But try and explain and I mean over-explain ult economy in curtain situations. I say this because there were a lot of times as you'd said that they were playing too safe. And at the beginning you said that he was getting overwhelmed with all of the ults happening and being "Overwatched" which I understand as someone who's been playing for years as well. But I don't think this will be helpful to someone as new as this, it feels like you're blaming him for being new to the game unintentionally. So like Emongg does, try and explain what he needs to do when ults are coming up before the ults get used. This will help them make better decisions in those times because that seems to be a big problem because he doesn't know what to do when, his decision making is lacking. I know you probably understand a lot of this stuff, but it's important to be mindful of this stuff while spectating the majority of the time. I think Emongg is kind of GOATed because he can do this and I don't really understand how he does it all the time. It's like he's coaching toddlers on how to play the game...
I think this is honestly one of your better spectating videos I've watched. And major props to you for trying to actually explain things better. But I can tell the gap in knowledge makes it really hard sometimes. Emongg is really good at explaining these things, I feel like that's why you have referred to him as your "resident bronze" not because he's bad, but he knows how to explain it to the bronze/ newer players. But I can also tell that it's more common sense to you at this point, and probably still was mostly common sense to you back then. But Valorant and Overwatch may have a lot in common, but they also have a lot of differences as well. I hope I wasn't discouraging with this advice. I genuinely think this was a great video and I hope you continue to make them because you're an amazing player to get advice from, and I love your content!
I want to make a comparison to you and Emongg on your spectating bronze videos. I have a feeling I've heard you kind of talk about this before with Emongg and Karq. But Emongg is the teacher that is holding the kids hand and showing him exactly how and explaining it all in great detail that is super easy to understand and digest. And Flats is the teacher that will let you make your mistake and slap you on the wrist if you didn't understand that was a bad thing you just did. This honestly makes me think that Flats would be a better coach for more seasoned or veteran players than the newer players. Coaching bronze is always going to be really hard because you honestly would have to impare yourself enough in order to be able to think somewhat on their level. But Emongg is able to just slide on their shoes, and show them how it should be done.
26:25 This is what I want to see more of out of your Flats, your explaining in detail about something he as a new players would have no understand about unless he was to play the game for hours. These are the kinds of things this players needs to climb because his mechanical skill is already really good. These things will probably feel blatantly obvious for you because you've played so much, but he's a new player who doesn't know any better. I think that you did a good job for the earlier part of this last fight. But I didn't like you saying that they just need more gamesense. While it's not technically wrong, I just feel like you could've help give some of your knowledge to help them get somemore gamesense in quickplay and now this person might just stop playing after a few more competitive games because they got frustrated about not being able to learn somethings. These are the things that would've made me not want to learn how to play the competitive side of the game back when Overwatch 2 was announced and going into the release. It's too daunting to have to just learn all of those things in a team based game like this, and I think that's a big reason that new players like this will send you these codes. They need to get some of your experience in the feedback to help them learn the game.
"Why is your DPS so high even though you've barely played it" It's high specifically because they've barely played it. They haven't played DPS enough to have fallen from their initial rank to the bronze or silver. This type of falling happens to a lot of players.
My advice to this player as someone who has been there and made a lot of their mistakes is to learn some of the things Flats talked about over weeks of playing because he's a veteran player and a lot of the stuff takes time to actually utilize in the ways he explained. They're all very useful tips though, so if you see an opportunity like he was trying to explain, you should take it. You could get rolled but that will be a learning experience. Next thing is, being that you're already in bronze, don't be upset after losing a game. It's going to be hard, but you shouldn't blame anyone after losing a game because that is much more draining than just letting the game be over and moving on. Flats talked quite a bit about "cosplaying" as a support player, and I can see what he's talking about. But just in case anyone was confused about that who is new, supports typically play support to not have to play the game as much as the rest of their team. But because you have the mechanical skill, this doesn't make sense for you, especially against low elo players. So you basically just want to constantly demolish them every team fight and not give your team much of an opportunity to make plays. Your teammates will have to find plays to make, but this will make your team take the advantage more often than not. Finally, playing support positioning is going to be your best friend a lot of the time. On Kiri you don't have to worry about it as much because you can just TP back to your teammates. But on Bap you should constantly be trying to control parts of the map like you're a tank, but you're also soldier and can heal your team with grenades. This is a lot to digest, and Overwatch is one of the toughest games to learn, but with your FPS experience I'm sure you can get the hang of it, it's just going to be a learning curve compared to Val or CS. You've got this!
I forgot to mention until I saw other people mentioning it, don't listen to your bronze teammates unless they are actually making a call out like there is an enemy behind. Those players have probably been stuck in bronze for a long time and for good reason. I know because I used to be one of those players before I started watching Flats and Emongg. They are really stubborn and think they can do no wrong, but constantly will cost your team the advantage in team fights. This is why it's important to be the fragger as Flats had talked about because that will help you keep that advantage. Healing can help your teammates out, but it will only go so far, and being that they are bronze, they will probably walk into the enemies bullets and make your healing worthless more often than not. If you're the top frag on your team, especially don't listen to what those teammates are telling you that you need to be doing. They want to play like it's double shields from Overwatch 1 where they are basically invincible until they make an extremely stupid mistake. And that's not on you to keep them up while they're playing like that.
I agree with everything Flats said in this video, but he's not the best teacher for a new player. And it's going to be tough to understand a lot of his advice without more experience in the game. So it might be worth trying to get Emongg to spectate one of your games to help you climb. But what I think would help you even more is playing some quickplay and messing around with abilities to figure out where they are more valuable. The other thing I mentioned before that will help with learning the game is to focus on your positioning, which will come with the gamesense a little. I can tell that a big part of your struggle is you don't know what's going on and you are trying to do too much when the fight is already lost. Or you're trying to help your team too much with healing or something when you need to be in there winning the team fight. Watching other players can help you understand some of this stuff. But it does take some time, and having someone in the game telling you where your team is can help. But what Emongg has said in some of his videos is to always try and know where your teammates are. I usually snap my head 180 degrees constantly as Kiri while also fragging in the enemies backline, and if I see a teammate's almost dead, I can TP and Suzu and they usually win the fight. But with the play demonstrated in this replay Silver makes more sense for you, and it probably placed you bronze because of your lack of awareness/ gamesense. I also wanted to mention that because your account is already in bronze, the last team fight is the most important team fight. While I was climbing out of bronze I would play 100% every team fight. But then once it was the last team fight you got to crank the knob up to 600% and literally be everything for your team in order to win. The pressure in that last team fight is a lot for most bronze players, but if you can play well than it's an easy win after you take the advantage.
One thing I see regularly in lower elos is that newer players are afraid to not heal in certain situations because they fear their teammates could get angry because they didn't understand there was no chance saving them. Yes, blocking communication is an option but I think that's a factor that sometimes plays into the descision making of some players.
Very nice video, a pretty decent player with a great background, full of very good and respectful criticism. The bots may be strong but flats is stronger. 🎉
Something I'd be looking to do more if I were them is supporting allies who are ulting, a soldier ult can go a much longer way with a little healing or a suzu.
Honestly, support is a pretty technical role. Coming from CS, i'd say just grind out DPS for a bit on soldier, ashe, etc. Leverage that mechanical skill. Hit gold, than do support placements, you'll land silver and won't have to babysit team mates so much
Im not surprised he is in bronze. He is playing like he is still playing CS:Go. Using headshot focused characters/gunguy maggy while holding hard angles and taking corner fights. Whilst also not giving a shit about abilities, positioning ect. That suzu reaction time against that hanzo dragon tells me all I need to know about this guy and why saying youre elite on csgo has no baring at all.
"I'm hardstuck in bronze on support due to bad team mates, help me on positioning and pathing" brother even without seeing the vod I can already tell you that you're searching for the wrong solutions lmao. This is exactly where you learn that OW is not Valo or CS. OW has vastly more nuanced ability interaction, and thus vastly more nuanced requirements and responsibilities for the role you pick up. You understand the idea of pew pew enemy, crosshair placement and aim, good. You can play dps, and -tank- chonky dps up to a gold level. Support relies on a different understanding entirely, something the other two roles don't really need to learn until you hit plat/diamond (which is funny cus you plateaued right below this threshold, what a coincidence huh). Now, lets watch that vod and see the future prediction unfold :) EDIT: Yep was spot on, you did the classic of trying to adhere to what the role sells you. "Be a good support, help your team, heal, do some pressure, heal some more" -and every single person would be hardstuck bronze their entire life if that was how they approached the game. You can't heal a bronze team to victory. You can't become a server admin in a match by sitting in your own backline spamming heals and generic Kunai knives down main. At best you'll be marginally better than the avg Kiri player doing the exact same thing, cus you're playing into the skill floor of the role and the idea that it sells you. This is where minmaxing and limit testing experience comes in, and ESPECIALLY for someone who is already mechanically good, this is actually even more important -cus you need to learn what absolute murder you can get away with, so that you can abuse the fact that the entire enemy team you're playing against are dogshit. Your team is dog, enemy team is dog, so you need to learn how to become that difference maker. And you don't learn this by playing the generic politically correct support role who balances heal and pressure like some happy-go-lucky work-life balance enjoyer. Go murder those bronze noobs 4head.
with his aim, i would have gone ana for first point tbh, would be great for the long range picks i feel. just stay high ground and pick off their players who arent aware enough to even realise where theyre getting shot from lol.
I have an acquaintance who is an Ex Radiant Valorant player who I got to play Ow with me a few months ago and he went from playing Reyna to Kiri and this reminds me a lot of him lmao he is mechanically rlly skilled and did quite well in his first matches and I thought he might do too much dmg at first but I was surprised to see that he did a pretty good job at balancing the dmg and heal but had some of the same issues the guy in the spectate had. The first time he got „Overwatched“ he was like: BRO WHAT WAS THAT So funny lol
I really would like to see him/her play as dd. I think these confused moments where not to know what to do would be way less in a roll fully understood.
i knew he was far from being able to be plat when he lost the 1V1 with brigitte with Swift steps and Suzu UP. I was like "Use it,,,, use it.... USE IT!!!" and then he died.
Imo csgo and valorant transfer basically nothing when it comes to movement games. Their about holding angles which is really only like two character in Ow Hanzo and widow
This persons mechanics are amazing but yeah the game sense/intuition of an avocado. Unironically their cooldown and bullet management isn’t bad at all. If they put in more hours on a few heroes to understand the game (positioning, maps) that will also allow them to use their good mechanics I think they can 100% climb. They’d be insane with Ana.
Again, I want a follow up with these types of videos. The people who ask Flats for advice, lets see where they are after a few weeks to a month... how far have you gotten since the questions were asked and the video was posted? I personally just would love to see the results of them trying to implement what was said for them to do....
I know this is 2 months ago but it makes me feel good being a console pleeb and never playing valorant or CSGO and still being in plat support having very average mechanics.
The problem is he has 11 hours of Mauga and 14 minutes of Pharah. So he might play at gold level when playing Mauga but at bronze lvl when playing Pharah. So the matchmaking placed him with other players who are gold lvl in some heroes but bronze at others. And if he recently played heroes he only masters at bronze lvl the match is ranked as a bronze game.
bronze OW is anyways something very different. he needs to understand what is going on and how the ability's etc work so he can react to, instead of thinking about them. (i.e. practice) But real talk, with his mechanics what he should do is to out-aim everyone else with baptiste77 and climb out of that s-show. p.s. in the unlikely case you should see this comment. To get more comfortable with bap lamp, it has the same trajectory as your right click heals.
love how ow is literally an entirely diff game in early elo its literally just fucking war 😭
Frrr it's two completely different games depending on rank
it's a different kind of entertainment
@@JayBee-yq2yv It’s three different games if you include unranked as well.
It never changes.
If early elo is what war looks like to you I’m scared to ask what actual war looks like to you.
The fact that I stepped away from the game in 2018 and came back 6 years later to learn that people still say, "They C9'd," is one of the funniest things. Poor C9.
The funniest part is how far the term has shifted, and how many people have no idea what it actually meams.
If marvel rivals takes off, c9 will be used in a game that c9 never happened in. Their mistake is immortalized in objective hero shooters
@@twocheezitz9182 "No Johns". Am I right?
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Probably because it's so freaking common! you dont know how many times I'm causing absolute chaos in the backline as sombra, poking/killing players returning to a fight, taking 1-3 players out of the fight to chase me, the team wins and fails to claim objective, so i have to run back and do so, only for them to loose the next fight because i'm no longer in position.
“You got overwatched” is the most accurate description of the ult chaos ive heard in a while
I think it's pretty hilarious how obvious the CSGO background is with him being bronze yet basically instantly recognizing what the headshot-height is for certain angles and stuff like that. I also feel like he might be playing pretty low sensitivity
The angles and picks he takes are crazy good sometimes, but bro gets overwatch'd so hard when literally any cooldown/ult exists
Yeah usually val and cs players play at like 400-800 edpi so 2.0 sense in game with a mouse dpi of 200-400. That’s how mine is at least. Some heroes are rough because of it.
@@Mononitol that's not how it works brother. Edpi works differently depending on the game you playing. Check the mouse sensitivity converter if you want to know more about it :D
That's exactly how edpi works... Edpi is just sens*dpi and is the exact same for all games without acceleration.
What is different is how much sens you actually need to get the same amount of real life to in game translated movement. Cm or inches to a 360.
@@UsernameXOXO yeah I didn’t want to complicate it but definitely. My sense in call of duty is 2.5 and my sense in overwatch is 2.0, both feeling identical.
This is the nicest spectating bronze I’ve ever seen from flats
Gotta put respect on global elites. Hardest title in any fps game period
@@MusicArchon Not really. Even in counter strike you have faceit level 10 who are leagues above globals (source - im global).
19:00 it's so clear that they're a valorant/csgo player from the way he handles the junkrat interaction, he plays far more 2d than 3d, he could've easily went for a jump and absolutely destroyed that junkrat, but you can't do that in csgo for example, i think it's a habit that people can't move in such a 3d way in most shooters outside of overwatch
There are a ton of shooters that have as much if not more movement than ow. Yes to the flying and bouncing and even grappling hook stuff.
In valorant and cs you could play on a 1:3 vertical to horizontal sensitivy and do just fine most of the time. I can tell he just doesn't yet know to fear the open skies or sneaky corner.
@@UsernameXOXO When you say a ton can you name actually main stream shooters with more verticality and craziness in movement?
@@DomenG33K not that I don't agree with you guys about it not being a lot of games, I personally love Destiny 2 for the insane movement you can pull off
@@DomenG33K Apex/Titanfall, Team Fortress 2, maybe even Cod? (even tho cod's meta revolves around controller aim assist abuse)
@@DomenG33K The _entire_ arena shooter genre has equivalent mobility, and is arguably more skill-based, as this is the direct ancestor to class-based shooters like team fortress and overwatch. Tribes as well has a comparable degree of mobility and verticality. Most of the parkour shooters to a lesser degree, ie Black Ops 3, Titanfall 2, Warframe, etc.
It's fascinating that someone this mechanically gifted is down there and is so stuck in the mindset that supports are just helping the team constantly, which is the case in basically every other game, but in overwatch half the support roster are just dps that can heal.
"Mechanically gifted" the bars low. Watch the illari duel. His mouse control is not good for what he's claiming to be especially since global was insanely hard to hit in Csgo because of the cheater density from le-ge. Maybe valorant ascendant but that seems low for a GE cs player. He's also playing against bronze players who are foreign to the concept of strafing.
His target acquisition is terrible as well I don't think he was global.
@@fallingemberss masters? Isn't he a gold dps? I don't think you can say someone has masters level aim when they're playing against bronze players.
@@gamerhelli3027 his aim alone is high level. His knowledge of the game isnt. Ow keeps peoppe in lower rank for many reasons.
@@ubadman1 What part of his aim is high level? His mediocre crosshair placement? His tracking falls apart when the target doesn't move in the same direction or linearly. His flicks are hardly flicks? Am I missing something?
This was a super helpful spectating Bronze video. Funny enough, his gameplay kinda reminded me of my own in some ways, and I’m currently Plat in both tank and support. Good mechanical skill that often makes up for brainless moments (that I’m now being punished for as I keep climbing). I actually learned a lot about both Kiri and Bap from this as well. You’re the best, Flats!
Sometimes i'm like "Yeah perfect (thing) would've done the same" and flats is like "Nah it would've been bettter there" And im like "OHHH so that's why im gold"
@@cd7677 Gold is average playerbase so if you're not actively trying to improve your gameplay in measurable ways. Most people will get stuck around there if they have average skill levels. If you want to improve my best advice is find your biggest weakness or mistakes. Then spend a week or more consciously thinking about that every game you play until it becomes second nature. It's likely you will lose some games hyper fixating on just one part of your gameplay, but in the long term it will become automatic and will help you do it without thinking. Unless you're incredibly mechanically gifted it is hard to make it past plat without learning how the game works ult exchanges cooldown exchanges team comps how to kite etc. If you are trying to climb and dedicate to it I'm sure you will make progress best of luck!
"You're cosplaying as a support player" is the funniest but most relatable comment I've ever heard. Flats, you are awesome 😄
he's definitely a dps player but doesn't know it yet
edit: crazy to think a lil window and lamp spam at the end would have probably won them the game, people dont understand how important supports are to shift the tide in this game.
easier to blame the team and environment factors. While such simple plays may be simple in execution, they're complex in understanding -and anything that is complex in understanding is often neglected in favor of "muh team bad I deserve higher rank so I can be allowed to make mistakes and not see the team fall apart as a result of any time I'm slacking".
Not it bronze broski. Not in bronze. The only thing that matters in bronze is pure mechanical diff diff annihilation. Had to pick up new acc to play with a brand new friend to let him learn at lower hiden elo took Zarya and I had 120 Elims per life with 25k dmg per 10 mins. In bronze you just go full W if you are good at aiming and that’s it. You won’t get healed enough and your dps won’t do anything so whether you stay alive or not is all about your own dmg output.
P.S. I really doubt that this guy is GE in CS, aim seemed kinda bad for such a high rank.
@@ДьяконФрост-ч7т Well obviously if you're smurfing you can W key and go nuts.
@@Xfacta12482 well yeah you are right but I also clearly remember my first time playing over watch. Sure, it was OW1 it was really different from what we have now (sad tears) but I also came from a high level Counter Strike and I managed to get plat and then diamond in my first competitive season without understanding abilities or timings that much. My point is ELO Hell doesn’t exist in bronze.
A big problem for this guy as well is that his teammates are also bronze. He is mechanically better than everyone else, but his teammates will quickly start bitching that they're not getting healed enough.
Thats when you turn off chat until plat at least
his aim is better but not all of his mechanics the dudes brain locks up in basic situations. Flats is trying to not be a dick but he isn't comboing ults he didn't use suzu properly etc. He's definitely a low elo player but his mindset is there so he will climb quick once he becomes more familiar with the game. most of being a high elo player in multiple games is just having the mindset and I can tell this guy has it he's just not familiar/comfortable with the game.
Then you just ignore the bronze player and continue to climb.
that's not a problem, that's just an event that occurs that he doesn't need to be concerned with. If he DOES concern himself with their complaints, THEN it becomes a problem.
@@airwick5111 thats not due to mechanics, that's due to information overload and not having core habits locked in. This will happen to anyone if they get info overloaded, first thing that tends to freeze are mechanics even for great players. This happens even to GM ranked players who join scrim teams for the first time and have to do so much coordination in real time that they get so overwhelmed through info overload that their natural mechanics devolve into what looks like diamond or plat -cus their focus is so strained even their core skillsets get affected.
Once this player gets some experience and builds game sense, their mechanics will naturally get both better but also much more consistent, just by proxy without even having to actively improve at the mechanics themselves.
8:00 - "Support is like being a medic on the battlefield." - lol i'm now enlightened thanks flats
5:57 truer words have never been spoken 😂
Yeah, it's always funny why new players from other FPS games get the Overwatch experience and get confused on wtf is going on. I've played for so long that I get desensitized from it. lol
20:49 we not gonna talk about the sigma solo ulting the reaper?? 😭😭😭
bronze in a nutshell
A kill is a kill
Unfathomably based
fck reaper honestly. and solo ults are perfectly fine. this isn't OW1 anymore.
His scream afterwards lmfaoooo
Why I'm loving to watch Flat's video is he really knows what he's talking about. He knows every role inside out, he could be the best coach for an e-Sports pro Team or a great commentator.
He used to be a coach lol
Flats commentator would actually be good, if there was anything to commentate professionally.
At the end he basically calls the guy an idiot and points out the obvious mistake without addressing it. The guy clearly doesn't understand how window interacts with the payload. A good coach would have caught on to that and explained how it works in more detail than "Pop that bitch". He knows what he's talking about but can't he wouldn't be a good coach, not with that approach lol.
he can talk some serious bs, even make it up on the fly. zzz
Dangle is a good example of having fps experience, decent aim and being intuitive which is important for the ppl in chat whenever they doubt Flats' assessment of cheaters with "Oh they have insane aim because they came from (insert game here)".
11:13 Kiri's legs: 🔄⤴️⤵️➡️↙️↩️↪️⬆️
yeah, noticed that as well. that looked hella painful :E
6:55 Enemy Ram asserting dominance lmao
i cried when the kiri didn’t suzu herself during the fight with that brig like omg at least give yourself a fighting chance
imma be honest, i think this has been the most helpful video even for me with stuff like thinking about where they are going to go like at around 10:40 (never thought too deep on it) plus the timing on the heals and shots for both kiri and bap (granted i don't really play either of them often) btw i'm high gold-low plat so that should explain the lack of knowing these things
Let me put that fight with the rat at 24:55 into words a Val player will understand: you have what amounts to a stinger. Junkrat is basically Raze with a shorty. Running into tiny rooms is an awful lot like pushing smoke. Don't go pushing smoke with a stinger, especially if you know for a fact they have some rat with a shorty waiting in there -- well, unless you're willing to use lamp, but that's where this analogy breaks down pretty quickly.
05:40 I didn't know that was a term, but that's what happens to me way too often as well to be honest. When stuff gets chaotic I tend to hyperfocus on one thing and lose the rest or just lose myself entirely from the start and stupid stuff starts happening.
RAMATTRA whrafwafwaf wowuyuy KITSUNE PSSHHHHH!
seeing how good his mechanical skill is, and how bad his game sense is, I'm not surprised to see Mauga as his most played character cause he probably feels much more powerful playing him.
“Look at what I’m looking at now”
Fucking inferno on the screen ahah
Honestly i feel bad for this guy i was hardstuck bronze until rank reset and then started climbing again very easily
Says you! LOL The "hard-reset" it's just a placebo thing cos the MMR isn't resetting too.
@@artmanrom Placements can still be a game-changer with a bit of luck, since normally a win gives you around 20% so even a 10 wins streak will move you up 2-3 divisions at most, meanwhile placements move you 1-2 divisions per game. Mine started with predicted bronze 2, finished in gold 3, two whole ranks from just 10 games.
Even after the rank reset I'm hard stuck on bronze but for dps. And my highest rank is support being silver 3 and on DPS I'm bronze 3/2, tank bronze 1. And I came from TF2 and I didn't play medic that much but did overwatch turn me into a support player?
rather be hardstuck than boosted and ruin higher elo matches....
but thats just my opinion...
@@ggolden I agree. I prefer to sit in the lowest rank than get boosted and ruin the expierience for higher ranked player
My guy is holding onto abilities like they cost money or something. But for reals, I don't think Flats called him a walnut once, so Flats must respect this guy a lot.
something that flats said there at the end is so true. I play mostly league, but the concept of "just commit" is so true. If you sit there and think to yourself "should i ult? what if i get ganked?" etc, then the enemy is going to get a cd back, take lane prio, and set up a gank. if you have an opportunity take it and commit to it. even if it isnt the best, you will never learn if you dont take those risks. Say you ult and you do get ganked and die, then you think "i should track the enemy team better." if you get the kill then you know "if i see X character use a core ability (cc or empowered passive etc) then i know i can ult and kill. TL:DL do nothing, learn nothing
Lol it's wild how the skill gap hits different in OW! You can be cracked in one game and just lost in another 😂. Watching him try to adapt but still dropping the ball is so relatable, we’ve all been there! You really gotta give props to players who can switch games like this! 🕹️✨
Fun fact, bucket the soldier is one of metros alts who got hardstuck bronze in an unranked to gm
A little add-on for 19:20, he could've continued to the right side to deny the junk from both the mega and the rotation out!
As for the tire argument, take the highground, charge up a new jump for if he chooses to go onto you, wait till you know where it is, shoot it while trying to read who he decided to target, shoot it or lamp the squishy if needed (The second you lamp the squishy, the junkrat will have to choose a new target, which should give you enough time to kill the tire, especially in the lower ranks!) , and shoot it. If your team doesn't walk into the tire, there should be time to shoot it down, you only have to hit 4 bullets on bap, and your team should be shooting it as well, but on hitscan characters the tire is 90% your job.
I refer to your OW moment as the "collapse." Usually ppl say everything collapsed when your team falls in on itself, but i say its when all the ults go off. Cause thats exactly what happens. 95% of the time, when all the ults begin going off like dominos, its a collapse in more than one way.
Man, I opened my game to check Baptist skills info and nowhere there tells you that hitting the grenade directly heals for more, I had no idea about that either. This game seriously needs to have better info on their own abilities in game, it sucks having to rely on wikis or YT videos to learn how their abilities actually work. I would also appreciate some detailed info with the numbers of healing/damage/boosts etc that the abilities give, at LEAST on the Heroes page if they don't want to bloat the in-game F1 menu.
As someone who comes from other competitive games, I just hated OW2 presentation of information. I still don't understand why there's no advanced stats page... it's 2024, folks. Why do I need to tab out of your game to find out basic info about your game!
@@samuellevesque7997 so us experienced players can gatekeep effectively duh
This actually helps my mindset so much
I started playing at the beginning of season 11 and I'm hardstuck in bronze (going from 1 to 2 over and over) while having 1500+ healing every round on kiri
I know I need to be doing more damage but I struggle to aim from so far away and my team immediately gets rolled if I step away for even a second or stop heal botting.
I think I just need to start being more selfish and let people fall over when they do stupid plays lol
I'm not saying I'm on par with this player mechanically ofc but I know I'm having similar mindset and gamesense issues. Thanks for the vid flats!
Please tell me you meant to write 15 000
Yeah in low ranks feels like supports role is to help people get out of fights they cannot handle or get them ready to go back in. The rest of the time you are a utility dps or flanker. The number of games where tanks do not take/hold space or dps do not secure kills is incredible. Straight healbotting only works when your team can do their roles effectively otherwise healing doesn't do much but delay/extend fights and allow the enemies to build extra ult charge. A "cheat" for low rank support is focusing the most impactful player on your team instead of diversifying between all of them, even if it is a flanker or a long range poke. Starting in mid gold or higher you can play closer to how you would think support should be played. Another thing is that since the soft rank resets the skill range is insane so you have to pay attention to who is actually good or bad much more closely.
@@Pekara121I was hoping they meant every fight
getting 1000 per minute is the bare minimum, so don't be proud about getting 1500+ per round.If you really want to improve,try playing flankers and tanks such as roadhog that need to get close to get value.
Despite what dps and tanks say, you should be doing more damage in general. When I was playing open queue I partnered with a silver support (diamond open queue) who had more healing per 10 than me but I was gm1 at the time.
It's really easy to heal someone when the damage source is gone. You'll heal less because of it but you'll win more and winning is the goal. If you dropped 5k heals for 5k damage per game you'll notice a huge difference (assuming you aren't just shooting the tank for damage)
Hands down the biggest advice I give to any support trying to climb out of metal ranks is stop trying to babysit their team. If they are out of LOS that shit is on them. Do damage. If they need healed weave in heal with damage. But never compromise your positioning to "save" someone out of position. You're more likely to die trying to save someone that needs to learn how to position in the first place.
5:57 why am i actualy understanding everything
Like me you’ve been desensitized to it 😂
When I was doing my placement coming back to the game after 1 year of not playing, I just played brig every game bronze - silver. She will give you the freest 70-80% win rate ever.
this guy is definitely one of those tanks who immediately switch to mauga after dying once on literally any other tanks
this was the most helpful one of these for me that I've seen especially when you're talking about pathing, I'm at about 70 hours of playing so I'm still fairly new and I play a lot like this guy because I play Paladins where healing is a lot more impactful (mostly because the passive is shown on health bar)
that whole "sometimes your teammate's in too deep, and you just cant save them, so don't bother trying" is something i wish more supports understood. i'll overextend as ball sometimes, and my kiriko will tp to me, abandon the rest of our team, die, and flame me 😭 like sure i shouldnt have overextended, but if she stayed with the team then they would've been fine during the 2 seconds it would've taken me to roll back from spawn
Amazing video Flats, happy to see you're still doing the spectating bronze! A slight bit of criticism for your spectating bronze's though, just as someone who tried to use your videos to climb out of bronze in the first year of Overwatch 2. You're advice is all great, I just feel like you're giving too much higher level advice. I know this is because this player obviously doesn't deserve this rank. But tbh I think it's going to make them get easily frustrated at their teammates and make it a whole lot harder to climb. So next spectating you do with someone who is brand new to the game I recommend trying to explain more things in the game. While it's not always going to be helpful when they do watch it, it could help them understand where those mistakes are causing the game to get harder. Also, I know it's gonna be harder to explain as someone who's been playing for so long. But try and explain and I mean over-explain ult economy in curtain situations. I say this because there were a lot of times as you'd said that they were playing too safe. And at the beginning you said that he was getting overwhelmed with all of the ults happening and being "Overwatched" which I understand as someone who's been playing for years as well. But I don't think this will be helpful to someone as new as this, it feels like you're blaming him for being new to the game unintentionally. So like Emongg does, try and explain what he needs to do when ults are coming up before the ults get used. This will help them make better decisions in those times because that seems to be a big problem because he doesn't know what to do when, his decision making is lacking. I know you probably understand a lot of this stuff, but it's important to be mindful of this stuff while spectating the majority of the time. I think Emongg is kind of GOATed because he can do this and I don't really understand how he does it all the time. It's like he's coaching toddlers on how to play the game...
I think this is honestly one of your better spectating videos I've watched. And major props to you for trying to actually explain things better. But I can tell the gap in knowledge makes it really hard sometimes. Emongg is really good at explaining these things, I feel like that's why you have referred to him as your "resident bronze" not because he's bad, but he knows how to explain it to the bronze/ newer players. But I can also tell that it's more common sense to you at this point, and probably still was mostly common sense to you back then. But Valorant and Overwatch may have a lot in common, but they also have a lot of differences as well. I hope I wasn't discouraging with this advice. I genuinely think this was a great video and I hope you continue to make them because you're an amazing player to get advice from, and I love your content!
I want to make a comparison to you and Emongg on your spectating bronze videos. I have a feeling I've heard you kind of talk about this before with Emongg and Karq. But Emongg is the teacher that is holding the kids hand and showing him exactly how and explaining it all in great detail that is super easy to understand and digest. And Flats is the teacher that will let you make your mistake and slap you on the wrist if you didn't understand that was a bad thing you just did. This honestly makes me think that Flats would be a better coach for more seasoned or veteran players than the newer players. Coaching bronze is always going to be really hard because you honestly would have to impare yourself enough in order to be able to think somewhat on their level. But Emongg is able to just slide on their shoes, and show them how it should be done.
26:25 This is what I want to see more of out of your Flats, your explaining in detail about something he as a new players would have no understand about unless he was to play the game for hours. These are the kinds of things this players needs to climb because his mechanical skill is already really good. These things will probably feel blatantly obvious for you because you've played so much, but he's a new player who doesn't know any better. I think that you did a good job for the earlier part of this last fight. But I didn't like you saying that they just need more gamesense. While it's not technically wrong, I just feel like you could've help give some of your knowledge to help them get somemore gamesense in quickplay and now this person might just stop playing after a few more competitive games because they got frustrated about not being able to learn somethings. These are the things that would've made me not want to learn how to play the competitive side of the game back when Overwatch 2 was announced and going into the release. It's too daunting to have to just learn all of those things in a team based game like this, and I think that's a big reason that new players like this will send you these codes. They need to get some of your experience in the feedback to help them learn the game.
even as a tank main, I never go into a small room with a junkrat in there, little guy does too much damage in such a short time in a enclosed space
"Why is your DPS so high even though you've barely played it"
It's high specifically because they've barely played it. They haven't played DPS enough to have fallen from their initial rank to the bronze or silver. This type of falling happens to a lot of players.
he doesn't use his abilities man. he saves then too much. thinking he needs to buy them next round.
11:00 nice leg
The Overwatch moment sums it up so well
Didn’t knew bronze lobbies would be as chaotic as fricking shibuya incident
genuinely one of the most insightful / helpful roasts I've ever seen lmao
My advice to this player as someone who has been there and made a lot of their mistakes is to learn some of the things Flats talked about over weeks of playing because he's a veteran player and a lot of the stuff takes time to actually utilize in the ways he explained. They're all very useful tips though, so if you see an opportunity like he was trying to explain, you should take it. You could get rolled but that will be a learning experience. Next thing is, being that you're already in bronze, don't be upset after losing a game. It's going to be hard, but you shouldn't blame anyone after losing a game because that is much more draining than just letting the game be over and moving on. Flats talked quite a bit about "cosplaying" as a support player, and I can see what he's talking about. But just in case anyone was confused about that who is new, supports typically play support to not have to play the game as much as the rest of their team. But because you have the mechanical skill, this doesn't make sense for you, especially against low elo players. So you basically just want to constantly demolish them every team fight and not give your team much of an opportunity to make plays. Your teammates will have to find plays to make, but this will make your team take the advantage more often than not. Finally, playing support positioning is going to be your best friend a lot of the time. On Kiri you don't have to worry about it as much because you can just TP back to your teammates. But on Bap you should constantly be trying to control parts of the map like you're a tank, but you're also soldier and can heal your team with grenades. This is a lot to digest, and Overwatch is one of the toughest games to learn, but with your FPS experience I'm sure you can get the hang of it, it's just going to be a learning curve compared to Val or CS. You've got this!
I forgot to mention until I saw other people mentioning it, don't listen to your bronze teammates unless they are actually making a call out like there is an enemy behind. Those players have probably been stuck in bronze for a long time and for good reason. I know because I used to be one of those players before I started watching Flats and Emongg. They are really stubborn and think they can do no wrong, but constantly will cost your team the advantage in team fights. This is why it's important to be the fragger as Flats had talked about because that will help you keep that advantage. Healing can help your teammates out, but it will only go so far, and being that they are bronze, they will probably walk into the enemies bullets and make your healing worthless more often than not. If you're the top frag on your team, especially don't listen to what those teammates are telling you that you need to be doing. They want to play like it's double shields from Overwatch 1 where they are basically invincible until they make an extremely stupid mistake. And that's not on you to keep them up while they're playing like that.
I agree with everything Flats said in this video, but he's not the best teacher for a new player. And it's going to be tough to understand a lot of his advice without more experience in the game. So it might be worth trying to get Emongg to spectate one of your games to help you climb. But what I think would help you even more is playing some quickplay and messing around with abilities to figure out where they are more valuable. The other thing I mentioned before that will help with learning the game is to focus on your positioning, which will come with the gamesense a little. I can tell that a big part of your struggle is you don't know what's going on and you are trying to do too much when the fight is already lost. Or you're trying to help your team too much with healing or something when you need to be in there winning the team fight. Watching other players can help you understand some of this stuff. But it does take some time, and having someone in the game telling you where your team is can help. But what Emongg has said in some of his videos is to always try and know where your teammates are. I usually snap my head 180 degrees constantly as Kiri while also fragging in the enemies backline, and if I see a teammate's almost dead, I can TP and Suzu and they usually win the fight. But with the play demonstrated in this replay Silver makes more sense for you, and it probably placed you bronze because of your lack of awareness/ gamesense. I also wanted to mention that because your account is already in bronze, the last team fight is the most important team fight. While I was climbing out of bronze I would play 100% every team fight. But then once it was the last team fight you got to crank the knob up to 600% and literally be everything for your team in order to win. The pressure in that last team fight is a lot for most bronze players, but if you can play well than it's an easy win after you take the advantage.
I love these series it gives me so much joy watching it meanwhile I learn something.
One thing I see regularly in lower elos is that newer players are afraid to not heal in certain situations because they fear their teammates could get angry because they didn't understand there was no chance saving them. Yes, blocking communication is an option but I think that's a factor that sometimes plays into the descision making of some players.
Loved this one, great vid!!!
Very nice video, a pretty decent player with a great background, full of very good and respectful criticism. The bots may be strong but flats is stronger. 🎉
I can't be the only one that actually kind of wants to see a part 2 of this guy right?
Flats, you're the best. Stay healthy.
5:56 I love this clip lmao
8:49 same energy as "not quite my tempo"
1:09 nah that LoL one was insane 😭
Coach flats speaks in a way my smooth brain can really absorb. Huge appreciate for the goat.
Whever some one says " i deserve x amount over my current rank" they never do
NOT THE CORN BOTS OH GOD
Something I'd be looking to do more if I were them is supporting allies who are ulting, a soldier ult can go a much longer way with a little healing or a suzu.
I didn't know about the direct healing. Great vid!
papa flats teaches u to not be dumb XD
Honestly, support is a pretty technical role. Coming from CS, i'd say just grind out DPS for a bit on soldier, ashe, etc. Leverage that mechanical skill. Hit gold, than do support placements, you'll land silver and won't have to babysit team mates so much
Im not surprised he is in bronze. He is playing like he is still playing CS:Go. Using headshot focused characters/gunguy maggy while holding hard angles and taking corner fights. Whilst also not giving a shit about abilities, positioning ect. That suzu reaction time against that hanzo dragon tells me all I need to know about this guy and why saying youre elite on csgo has no baring at all.
Tip: turn off toggle paper on kiri
The use of abilities is also a lot more proactively rather than reactively, especially for 2 support characters with get out of jail free cards
17:30 Flashback to the karq quiz brainwaves
5:00 Million opportunities to use cleanse there
I'm only 5 minutes in and this is the nicest I've seen flats, lol.
"I'm hardstuck in bronze on support due to bad team mates, help me on positioning and pathing" brother even without seeing the vod I can already tell you that you're searching for the wrong solutions lmao. This is exactly where you learn that OW is not Valo or CS. OW has vastly more nuanced ability interaction, and thus vastly more nuanced requirements and responsibilities for the role you pick up. You understand the idea of pew pew enemy, crosshair placement and aim, good. You can play dps, and -tank- chonky dps up to a gold level. Support relies on a different understanding entirely, something the other two roles don't really need to learn until you hit plat/diamond (which is funny cus you plateaued right below this threshold, what a coincidence huh).
Now, lets watch that vod and see the future prediction unfold :)
EDIT:
Yep was spot on, you did the classic of trying to adhere to what the role sells you. "Be a good support, help your team, heal, do some pressure, heal some more" -and every single person would be hardstuck bronze their entire life if that was how they approached the game. You can't heal a bronze team to victory. You can't become a server admin in a match by sitting in your own backline spamming heals and generic Kunai knives down main. At best you'll be marginally better than the avg Kiri player doing the exact same thing, cus you're playing into the skill floor of the role and the idea that it sells you. This is where minmaxing and limit testing experience comes in, and ESPECIALLY for someone who is already mechanically good, this is actually even more important -cus you need to learn what absolute murder you can get away with, so that you can abuse the fact that the entire enemy team you're playing against are dogshit. Your team is dog, enemy team is dog, so you need to learn how to become that difference maker. And you don't learn this by playing the generic politically correct support role who balances heal and pressure like some happy-go-lucky work-life balance enjoyer.
Go murder those bronze noobs 4head.
Tldr:
All roles are actually just dps.
@@justifano7046 up to a certain degree of understanding -yes
That part at 5:58 had me cracking up idk why 🤣🤣😂😂
with his aim, i would have gone ana for first point tbh, would be great for the long range picks i feel. just stay high ground and pick off their players who arent aware enough to even realise where theyre getting shot from lol.
plus can still heal ur team just as well from the same position
Straight back to mid-covid Flats after reading this guy's pre-clip message
hey flats!! love your content
I have an acquaintance who is an Ex Radiant Valorant player who I got to play Ow with me a few months ago and he went from playing Reyna to Kiri and this reminds me a lot of him lmao he is mechanically rlly skilled and did quite well in his first matches and I thought he might do too much dmg at first but I was surprised to see that he did a pretty good job at balancing the dmg and heal but had some of the same issues the guy in the spectate had.
The first time he got „Overwatched“ he was like: BRO WHAT WAS THAT
So funny lol
funny to see a good valorant/cs player play overwatch. I struggle so much in these kind of shooters by I really eccel at chaotic games like overwtach.
As a junk main for dps. when he went into that room I knew flats was going to take him to task on that one.
This guy makes me feel like I don't deserve even bronze, a boosted bronze gamer.
11:10 Kiriko got that STANKY FOOT
watching this makes me feel better about being bad at new games as a OW player
ahh my pet peeve adly not just in bronze lobbies, when the enemy mercy is practically invisible to your team
I know we are looking at the support but that Reaper was doing some interesting shit i gotta tell ya.
“I’m just stuck in elo hell with players that love feeding.” Welcome to Bronze my friend😂
I really would like to see him/her play as dd. I think these confused moments where not to know what to do would be way less in a roll fully understood.
played 3 games of ow for the first time in years, i think im good for the next 5 years
i knew he was far from being able to be plat when he lost the 1V1 with brigitte with Swift steps and Suzu UP. I was like "Use it,,,, use it.... USE IT!!!" and then he died.
I’m pretty sure Mercy’s resurrecting her entire team was the most overpowered alt😂
Where the fuck did this bots coming from lmao
I feel like someone had enough of people typing "first" as the first comment for the last several years so they made bots.
I love how they didn't use a single cooldown almost the whole time
When you say the "Overwatched on" moment where everyone hits ult, we call that the "Q Fiesta"
the ult-domino
Imo csgo and valorant transfer basically nothing when it comes to movement games. Their about holding angles which is really only like two character in Ow Hanzo and widow
This persons mechanics are amazing but yeah the game sense/intuition of an avocado. Unironically their cooldown and bullet management isn’t bad at all. If they put in more hours on a few heroes to understand the game (positioning, maps) that will also allow them to use their good mechanics I think they can 100% climb. They’d be insane with Ana.
Again, I want a follow up with these types of videos. The people who ask Flats for advice, lets see where they are after a few weeks to a month... how far have you gotten since the questions were asked and the video was posted? I personally just would love to see the results of them trying to implement what was said for them to do....
Low ranks are impossible to get out of because its always a 1v9
nice coaching session very good
I know this is 2 months ago but it makes me feel good being a console pleeb and never playing valorant or CSGO and still being in plat support having very average mechanics.
The problem is he has 11 hours of Mauga and 14 minutes of Pharah. So he might play at gold level when playing Mauga but at bronze lvl when playing Pharah.
So the matchmaking placed him with other players who are gold lvl in some heroes but bronze at others. And if he recently played heroes he only masters at bronze lvl the match is ranked as a bronze game.
bronze OW is anyways something very different. he needs to understand what is going on and how the ability's etc work so he can react to, instead of thinking about them. (i.e. practice)
But real talk, with his mechanics what he should do is to out-aim everyone else with baptiste77 and climb out of that s-show.
p.s. in the unlikely case you should see this comment. To get more comfortable with bap lamp, it has the same trajectory as your right click heals.
11:20 Who tf is that Sojourn beaming at? 😭