The Surprising Consequences of Tuning Your L5P Duramax Without Deleting
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Having had the derringer/ PPEI emissions tunes and full delete tunes on the same truck at different times, I would stick with Emission complaint tunes from now on. As soon as there is some type of trans tuning for the 2020's I'll probably go that route.
What were your experiences with all 3 of them?
@@JWMontoya 2018 dually, derringer you don't really feel until you have had it for a while and then turn it back to stock. That's was the only time I noticed the missing power. Plus the truck has to reach engine temp before it turns on so it's not always instant power, It was okay but I wouldn't buy again. Easy to install and remove.
PPEI Emissions intact with TCM tunes, and for all three I had a CAI/turbo horn and pedal commander (pedal monster wasn't out yet). After the trans relearn is finally adjusted it's night and day. I did get a revision to adjust for more throttle sensitivity and to adjust for my 35's, later when it was released I also went to their SOTF tunes. Normally stayed on their 165 tune and for SOTF i think it changed to 150. Used less DEF, went further in between regens and had better MPG. Pretty much perfect except no sound.
I only decided to go full delete because I wanted more power and to get some sound. Not needing DEF was just a plus. Cheaped out and did a not so popular tuners tunes, mostly because they had a sale and because the well known tuner was no longer going to offer tunes in the US. I did uppipe and down pipe into a 5" w/muffler. Tunes were clean and the sound was good but no added power at all. Tried with a muffler and it was just too loud for my area, didn't want to push my luck. For towing I would throw on a 36" FTE resonator and it sounded stock, except for a lot of whistle. WOT and it did roll a little, never cared for that. After running it for a year decided when I traded I stick with emission compliant tuning from now on. Just not enough benefits to fully deleting at my age. We travel and tow our fifthwheel all over.
Appreciate your reply. I have a 17 L5P and I’ve owned nothing but tuned trucks prior. I’m avoiding weight loss with this truck because as we all know it’s just a recipe to spank the thing. I’m also planning on having it for a long time. Was weighing out banks vs compliant tuning and will def get custom tuning. Stock tcm tuning kinda sucks with the 6 speed. It holds overdrive at 40mph and just lugs it too much. And obviously banks ain’t fixing that.
I have a 2019 l5p with the superchips f5 flash tuner and the edge cts3 (exact same as the edge tuner because they are the same company) and I am very pleased. The ecm unlock process is very simple and the tunes are great. Would definitely recommend to others. Love your content JW. Keep up the good work. Oh and I have the Banks derringer with the pedal monster and I took it off because the gains were minimal. Not an altogether bad product, just not as good as the edge/superchips product.
Thanks for your feedback!
i want the delete but not for power but for reliability the def doesnt save the ozone soot dont touch ozone this just clogs you up with soot this epa thing is a scam in my eyes for the new electric car manufacturers to make sale on over priced cars im hoping one days diesel owners get a class action lawsuit against the epa for shortening the life of diesel engines and the ridiculus price of repairing emmisions systems gone bad
Agree 100? One if the biggest scams gov has shoved down our throats.
Emission compliant tunes just build extra soot in the aftertreatment. You would have to regen more often to avoid clogging the dpf
Is this truly the case? I understand that to get "more power," you have to add more fuel, more air. However, is that what the compliant tunes are doing? I wouldn't argue that they are most likely adding fuel. But is it also possible that they are manipulating other aspects of the engine and aftertreatment to achieve higher HP while keeping a clean burn? I'm asking purely as a conversation starter because I am curious.
Not with the banks power bundle, but you're spending 3k rather than a few hundred with competitors
I'm happy having the Banks Derringer, pedal monster and Ram Air on my 17 L5P. Ease of install/removal, price and peace of mind for all the R&D that Gale puts into his products.
And most of all banks stuff cost more than a proper tune
I just bought 22 Silverado HD. I didn't know it was so expensive to get it tuned or I would have bought a RAM 2500. Still gonna get it done eventually.
🤣yes, but then your truck would have sucked, been tunable, but sucked.
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Thx JW for the vids, learning a lot, real interested in the Duramax tuning. Recently picked up 2018 3500HD Denali dually and ready to enjoy all the benefits and knowledge you can offer. Will keep researching this new world and hit you up for a tuner.
The thing people need to understand is that all the banks stuff ties together I have a 21 l5p. You get the derringer for the tune but it’s adjusting fuel and air in the most simple of terms. That means more back pressure you get the 5” monster to get rid of added back pressure. Then the ram air for more well air then the turbo boost tubes then the pedal monster to tie it all together for throttle response. The people that are unhappy with any one individual product is because they bought one piece to a whole puzzle and randomly at that you put all the pieces together get the best legal “tune” and performance. And it’s still a little cheaper then a full delete and tune an l5p is like 4,500 and up where as the banks bundle is like 3k
I live in Alberta Canada so EPA can take a long walk off a short pier!! Still want to delete cuz if i spend all that money for the flash and sof and my dpf gets plugged I’m still out a pile of money, where I could of spent it on a full delete
Delete if you’re in Canada!
Does the EPA not exist in Canada ? Or they’re just not as strict
I was a Banks fan boy since buying my 2020 L5P. I own everything but the exhaust and diff cover. In the last six months, the Derringer started flacking out, I can no longer run it on the truck.
A race would be cool .. but that only proves who a better driver is who gets on top of the turbo better who can shift the truck better so many variables I think a fair apples to apples is to strap them down that way some of the variables are controlled because u have access to all the different kind of tuners already installed on trucks of people you know love the content I enjoy the videos
If it’s WOT 0-60, I think it’ll be a fair comparison
So for my stock 2022 AT4 I can use the duramax Tuners and emission complaint tuning? Where can I get this work done? I’m in TX
Loving my federal emissions standard lb7 with Banks big hoss bundle six gun and Inglewood trans 35 BFG'S 20 mpg CCLB.
I have the derringer with pedal monster on my stock 2020 2500HD Z71, and it is noticeable power and torque increases with each setting. I suspect the higher tunes, and beasting on it, will cause the failure prone DPF to clog quicker, but I only use sporadically, I have to add, that my stock 2018 2500HD High Country is much quicker than the 2020. I prefer the 10 speed transmission if I am making a long trip, but the 6 speed is a blast for hot rodding around town.
JW, I have a 2019 Denali Sierra 3500 HD and just ordered the Edge Pulsar V3 with CTS3. So if I understand you correctly I can expect around 600 HP and 1,200 ft-lb of torque but no sound? What can I do to get close to your sound? Really appreciate your expertise and integrity. Keith
DPF back exhaust seems so useless.... I want hear my truck and cant find any exhaust that is emission compliant.... thanks massachusetts
Great breakdown on the choices.
love your videos man! what id like to know is are the more expensive compliant tunes cleaner which is why less regens and less def consumption? it seems to me the pulsar and derringer just add fuel for the added power which i would assume would clog the dpf and require more regens and def…can you confirm that?
How do you like the emissions compliant on the lml? Are you recommending trans tuning?
Saw the new Denali electric truck. 700 hp and 400 miles till dead. What they didn't tell you is that's not pulling and how long it takes to recharge. Plus 10 years you can't give it away for 90 grand.
That's why the dealers are closing and only taking orders. They know these trucks won't bring a dime in the future.
JW, who would I contact about going the Evo route with the stright pipe.
I saw dmaxxtuners kill a ram with there emissions compliant tuning big TH-cam channels emissions system. What are your thoughts on 5hat?
Nice Vid. answers some questions i asked on your other videos i watched yesterday
i am a LML guy .. and my truck has "been to Mexico" .. but the L5P is too expensive to tinker with so no thanks 4 me .. my next diesel will be 6-7 cummins RAM .. no CP4 style .. and with a Mexican trip of course ..
L5P really isn’t much more if you think about it. LMLs need lift pump, CP3 conversion and bigger turbo to be at the same level as L5P.
It’s not just about power difference, it’s strain. You can make the same power, yes. But how much more is the emissions compliant route choking up your engine. That’s my question.
The difference for me is simple. Just as simple as the difference between 2 stroke and 4 stroke. Not the mechanical difference between the 2. But ones cheaper and easier to maintain. Ones got less things going on, w/ fewer future problems and so on. That’s the similarity between a diesel and 2 stroke. For me.
Not gonna own a truck especially a diesel for that matter that has a stock exhaust.. the sound of the exhaust and turbo are almost the biggest part of the experience of owning these trucks..
I agree with that. Exhaust and turbo is my favorite part as well
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This might be stupid but can you tune a f350 without deleting or doing other modifications?
Yeah you can. DM me on instagram and I can get you set up with emissions compliant tuning
Where did you get headlights
Is it possible to get a tune that only eliminates limp mode?
Hey brother im extremely interested in some emissions compliant tunes for my 17 L5p how do I contact you directly?
Let’s see that race!!!
Is this the same for the 2024?
I want to tune my 21 L5P but I can’t find a way to pass California emissions test. Will any of the tunes on this video pass California’s ridiculous emissions test.
The def pump on my 18 went out if i purchase emmission compliance tunning do i still need the def system willno still ja e to add def?
Yep only if you delete then you don’t have to add def
With his emissions compliant tuning how much power has that added to his truck? I watch your videos alot and really want mine deleted but it's a big risk now days.
Yes if you can
I've heard Edge Pulsar will be coming out with a pulsar that is specifically made for the 2020+ duramax w/10 speed tranny. That I should wait till it hits the market. Any thoughts?
Yes, wait for that! They’re close
JW, what has been the outcome with the 2020+ duramax you tuned with the Evo HT2? I remember watching your video but it wasn’t released yet at that time. I’m ready to make a move on something for my 2020 High Country but would like your opinion.
Thanks, Chris
It’s been solid! No complaints
@@JWMontoya In your opinion JW, for emissions tune…..Pulsar V3 or Evo HT2? I’m finally gonna do one of these. Also, can you tell me if you can select your tunes on the Pulsar V3 thru the CTS 3 monitor?
Thanks, Chris
Hey I wanting to add something that’s not gonna clog the dpf up?I’ve heard nothing but horror stories about pulsar and the evo ht2 hasn’t been out long enough to get feedback…so which is better for that ppe or duramax tuner?
I personally haven’t had any issues with the pulsar but I have heard of a few defective ones.
PPEI and Duramaxtuners are both great. It’s like picking Denali vs High Country
Any how to delete ( egr / def / dog) videos out there for 2019 chevy L5P
Used to until the EPA took it down
@@JWMontoya you'd think the epa could find something better to do than to mess with a bunch of hard working tax payers vehicles
No doubt Brother . I want to do the delete myself but would like to see what I’m going to get into . I have a LMM and L5P . Did the LMM myself but can’t find anything on L5P . Thanks for the info .
What about VSE tuning have you looked into them at all?
Duramaxtuners or PPEI is who I recommend
Will the emissions compliant tuning options ruin your warranty?
Yes and no. It all depends on your dealer.
What's your opinion on the US trying to ban the sale of gas and diesel engines by 2030? There's been a lot of talk about it at the dealership I work at.
It's gonna happen so prepare yourself. Then they will make whatever you own very expensive to register and maintain. Electric will take over everything but it will take a while. Prepare now
Nope, not gonna happen. Quit spreading misleading information.
@@janamaro5894 not trying to spread anything that's why I said what's your opinion on them "trying" to ban them. There's a lot of talk about it at work just wondering what jw thought about it. I personally hope it don't happen and don't think it will that soon anyways
My opinion is that politicians are greedy and all about making themselves wealthy. I think it’s silly how they’re expect people to buy/switch over to electric vehicles when it’s not realistic. Not everyone can afford to pay for a charging station at their house either
@@JWMontoya I agree. There must have been some popular content creator talking about it cause we got idk how many calls about the challengers and chargers being discontinued. Can't get anything done for people calling asking if it's true
With the evo ht2 can I delete my def an dpf
No
JW i need to bring my L5p you you so you can put the tune on mine
Does he really still stay with his parents?
I'm gonna need help brother. Where can I send you a direct message to?
Edge will Just clogg egr
That’s Banks
i want milage
It can’t happen, not enough supply for the demand of cars.
Can't happen look at California and New York. It happening.
@@evanch123456 How about Washington State?
@@evanch123456 that's California and New York,they will suffer and regret it
its gonna be state to state, red states won't go for it
electric vehicles aren't the future . they are bullshit
I'm fine with California doing that and let everyone that only wants to drive an ev move over there lol.
Sorry bud....as someone who works in the auto industry I can tell you the manufacturers are already planning on a national ice ban....everybody is going to be driving an ev soon enough. Better learn how to make your own fuel...in a few years they are gonna ramp up the price and force you out of your truck...20 dollar/gallon diesel comming to a city near you.
An no, I'm not an ev guy...
Screw the planet. Let'er smoke lol.
Delete and save on Def fluid and get 6 more miles to the gallon and 17 more hp with a k&n filter
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Glad I live in Saskatchewan I can legally delete an brand new L5P