@@OceanKeltoi I liked it so much that I think I will speak a bit about it in one of my videos to make a point in relation to the worshipping of these divinities, and point people to this video, if you allow me, of course.
@@WolfTheRed I watched it. it was horrible. How can you speak about something that you clearly don't know about. You start out saying all these things that you say the lore doesn't say (but it does which shows you don't read it apparently) I also like how you say "other" groups it's perfectly fine for them to "gate keep" but it's not ok for people that "happen" to be of white European descent (big surprise,double standards). It's either ok for everyone or not ok for anyone. Also stop using "racists" as a strawman argument to try and put that on people that actually go by the lore and historical information thus making them "Folkish". I'll tell you what. You say that my Ancestors didn't know about "genetics" Also, if you want me to play devils advocate you say we don't know what they thought of "different skin colors". Or there is nothing talking about bloodlines. If I give a source for any of these will you delete you channel?? Because the only people that would like this channel are people that don't have a lot of knowledge of the historical sources, or people whos political views this backs up.
Imagine my shock when I realised that folkism doesn't mean interest in folklore and just listeninig to local old people talking about how they fought with some barn devil.
Ouch, sounds like me after I purchased one of Stephen Flowers's books on staves, only to learn, later, of his less-than-honorable affiliations. I was not a happy camper. The purchase was solely out of curiosity for the subject matter.
Ancestor worship isnt 'racist' exclusion isnt 'racist'. Native Americans regularly exclude anyone who they don't share ancestors from their faiths. Exclusion and supremacy are not remotely the same thing. To quote an elder from the Rosebud Soux speaking to McNallen as he is referenced in this video ''You need to leave because we are about to perform a ceremony only for Indians, you will not find what you're looking for here, you need to drink from your own well'' McNallen is merely drinking from his own well, that is not racism
@@fritjofvalerijs800 this is a dumb take for so many reason. 1) You can join a Native American tribe without having any ancestors among them, genetics doesn't come into it. 2) Heathenry is a modern religion, nobody living has a direct connection to the Gods worshipped by the Old Norse, so excluding people based on some racial category that nobody living even fits into is ridiculous.
@@ygrigoradamii5082 So? My grandma is Catholic, does that make me "genetically" Catholic? If I have ancient Germanic ancestors, does that make me "genetically" Heathen? Who gets to decide where the genetics of a religion reside?
Hávamál 132 (Andy Orchard translation) advises "...never hold up to scorn or to spite any guest or traveller." There's also just the general sense throughout that Odin is advising to be welcoming and open to new people who haven't done anything wrong. I see a rejection of any form of xenophobia, which would include folkism, as one of the core messages of the main surviving text that explicitly deals with morality and guidance.
Im a german and a pagan. I have the strong desire to deny this old goofbag. Imagine: Ragnarök begins and only german warriors go to the fight. Of course before 8pm because of "Ruhestörung" :D Just google the word, we love such nonsense.
Thank you for the education. I have met two men in my time identifying as heathen or Asatru, which I may have spelled wrong. You definitely informed me on why they seemed so wanting to limit the spiritual experience to those of a Germanic descent, and it always seemed odd to me. I don't see want to say conversion exactly, but it seems there needs to be allowance whatever path one grows into, wherever one comes from. It seems there has always been a kind of cultural mixing across time, and all the gatekeeping one may do for an identity will not stop the mixing. (Syncretism I think it's called) Thank you for your time.
My first rule of human history. We live in a dynamic, always going on for as long as humans exists, Mosh-Pit/Orgy where fluids and ideas are constantly being exchanged. Besides our forebearers went forth and whatever woman they fancied. They did not care if that woman was Grace Jones or the Swedish Bikini Team, or K-Pop stars.
Strong Viking women, gay Vikings, Loki being "gender fluid" and all the other ADL-approved talking points are being spewed by this guy Keltoi. Now he's telling us we cannot be a people through our religion, because that would be "racist". Has anyone else noticed how obvious subersion this is?
I really wanna examine this in realation to the polynesian, in regards to things like heritage/whakapapa and how only thous with whakapapa allowed things like Ta Moko,/culture tattoo on the face. I feel like that would be a riveting discussion!
I absolutely love this video, but I feel it’s necessary to point out that Positives Christentum was first and foremost the result of decades, or rather centuries, of antisemitism in Germany/Prussia and Austria-Hungary. The Protestant movement behind it was the Deutsche Christen, but there is no doubt that they were heavily influenced by the Austrian Christlich-Soziale Partei, (Chatolic and Fascist political party established in the late 19th century, and the result of the emergence of the reformist Christian Social Movement lead by Karl von Vogelsang). Martin Luther who started the reformation in Northern Europe was extremely anti Semitic and the de-emphasis on the Old Testament started with him, not with Positive Christianity. Also, the "bleaching" of Jesus, (making him "white" and non-Jewish), happened way earlier, and is still seen today. It wasn’t a product of Nazism, but Nazism and the Deutsche Christen movement had a synergistic effect on each other! There has been a huge effort to whitewash Christianity in regards to what happened in Germany and Italy, but the truth is, these fascist movement was heavily intertwined with Christianity. The number of Nazis who was interested in aspects of Paganism was extremely small! Paganism and atheism is often scapegoated as if the elite of the NSDAP was all either pagans or atheists - or that their religious views was somehow fringe, but it’s simply not true! Similar movements to Deutsche Christen was In neighboring countries as well, including the "völkisch" approach! Pretty sure it was also flourishing in the US in the late part of the 19th century and first 40 years of the 20th century! Heck, Christian Nationalism in the US is basically a re-emergence of it!
@@ygrigoradamii5082 the words you’re missing here is “in my opinion”. I’m a Norse Pagan, I have descent from early Scandinavia. I also have family who were present in Holland during the Nazi invasion, ending in the deaths of millions of people, members of my own extended family included. People who stand for the same beliefs and symbolism as Nazi’s will never represent me, Heathenry, or the majority.
@@ygrigoradamii5082 everything you’ve just uttered with bated breath is your opinion, and only your opinion. It’s not fact, folkism is not fact. You’re a disgrace.
@@ygrigoradamii5082 where’s your counter argument and relevant information to discredit Keltoi? He has provided information, evidence and used current practices, beliefs, texts and other sources to formulate his opinion against Folkism and the AFA. How do you argue against this?
Not even watching the vid, of course Whites aren't the only ones who could experience " Oden", but obviously the whole idea and myths behind him are from euro germanic or however you want to say that - heritage and ethno culture. I think if I hear the word racism again especially in such a ridiculous place as a circle discussion regarding these very matters, I'll puke and crap at the same time from the sheer shock of the mental blockage of this generation, and when I use that word, I include my own.
arith harger has just released this video which is worth a look th-cam.com/video/6BYw1-hIBhA/w-d-xo.html he discusses cultural appropriation and the gods and it is very interesting, folkism and racial supremacy are also brought in as subjects arith's approach is very rational as usual
im no racist by saying this but racism doesn't bring any attributes nothing but being "the right color of the same ethnic group" ignoring that the person is not mentally, spiritually and intellectually good enough, being the right color of one ethnicity is not enough. its all because of our society came from the invaders and colonizers that genocided the european people destroying our culture and our traditions but i dont see this to be considered racism neither xenophobia, this is due to the history and christians not allowing other religions being practiced or stigmatizing as "devils lies" they dont listen the fact that their religion came from far away lands through generations, the pagan lands was home of one peoples that originated there the people that we are today we were the same, and considering by science that "race" isnt just a modern human construct and all of us were sapiens and that it doesn't bring anything just because of being "the right skin color" pagans are just defending for their traditions and culture because its precious for one country's identity that makes our society different and diverse, and trying to remove it is the samething as destroying the history origins of your own country national identity but yes the same thing thag happens to christianity fanatism, pagans fanatism is racism, we are no different
Isn’t it fair to say though that say a Asian or a Hispanic person worshiping Germanic Gods is cultural appropriation? Such as Europeans worshipping Native American Gods, or Slavs worshipping African Gods? I believe that the Gods may be worshipped by all who wish it, but it would be looked down upon if say a Southern American was worshipping a Asian God, or a Scandinavian worshipping a Native Australian God. It’s just a thought to give.
No, because you're confusing two different concepts. A "closed practice" isn't the same thing as deliberately excluding someone by an immutable characteristic, when there is an arbitrary line drawn in history about what "race" is. Most "Hispanic" people can actually trace their origins to Europe, whereas being Meso-American is a different theology entirely. Trying to drawn comparisons between these concepts are conflationary at best, disingenuous at its worst. And saying that there's a "fear of death" just throws an entirely Christian and/or Abrahamic fear of "Hell" into the mix.
@J. Smith You're going to have to not assert my position here. I'm not positing a narrative, but the fact that "race" isn't something that can be transposed backwards. It doesn't work that way, nor is there any anthropological evidence for it. Even outside of anthropology, multiple scientific fields do not support that race is genetic. A phenotypical expression does not a "race" make. It is incredibly disingenuous to try and take these concepts and apply them in retrospect as if they applied, when the writings that have survived do not agree.
@J. Smith Also, this isn't some "oh, white man bad" type of thing, but a holistic approach to historical evidence from multiple sources, attempting to remove as much bias as I can. That's how history works. Nothing happens in a bubble.
@J. Smith That's not how research works, nor (again) is that how a "closed practice" works. Once again, you are attempting to impose something that doesn't apply, and accuse me of being a Marxist, with no evidence of such. You reject how actual methodological study works, including by using peer-review, and cross-reference and contemporary sources of the era. It is incredibly disingenuous for you to claim my position or my biases. It is also incredibly disingenuous and dishonest to make claims about race and try to apply them retroactively is incredibly false. PCA is charting, and does not apply to race. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization) Learn something. Scientists reject your reasoning. And have consistently for almost a century. Only pseudoscientists that try push for eugenic or other ideas that have little to no scientific validation try to use that argument. Just, stop. You're done. This has nothing to do with "Marxist approach". This is following the evidence. Not shoving my head up my ass.
@@FaireKnight88 so why can't some european groups have closed practice of their own? Why are they not allowed to have that? That totally seems like "white man bad" for me.
This speaks to me. I have been feeling a *lot* of guilt and isolation from being a new Australian Heathen. I don't know my ancestry, but I am fairly sure I'm not Scandinavian and from some of the discorse and conversations I have had with some heathens I have come away with the impression that I am not welcome. So, thank you so much for this insightful video.
Just pointing out that Wotan and Tezcatlipoca, with their overlapping provinces of magic, warfare, kingship and sacrifice (and, if I may say so, their similar temperaments) might get along famously. Had history gone differently, they would have been ripe for syncretism
Syncretism is usually a corruption of urbanized societies the likes of which we didn't see in 1000 AD scandinavia. It totally could have happened on the Aztec side but I think it wouldn't happen on the nordic side until much later and by that time secularism would already have been popularized and we'd likely see several other heresies similar to what we see in American Christianity.
There needs to be an alternate history where Vikings settled America, got along like a good bar brawl with everyone there and the pantheon that resulted being the most metal god damned thing ever put to paper.
Excellent video on an important discussion! I would just like to point out that Carl Jung is not the only influence on McNallen's (and Folkish Heathenry's) racism. Else Christensen's "Odinism" was also a major influence on McNallen (the two were good friends, along with Valgard Murray of the Asatru Alliance). For those who don't know of this woman, look her up, but in short she was a Danish Nazi sympathizer and white separatist who created a racialist religion called "Odinism", influenced by a similar racialist religion called "Wotanism" from an Australian racist named Alexander Rud Mills, who was influenced by the "Wotanism" of Nazi Leader Heinrich Himmler and racist Austrian Occultist Guido von List, amongst other spiritual belief systems (Helena Blavatsky's Theosophy for example). The word "Folkish" is also the English version of the German word "Völkisch", which is an adjective that is directly tied to Nazi Occultism and Aryanism. For more information on this part of that history, look up the article "Othala and US Heathenry's Racist Heritage" by Rory Bowman.
I wanted to go into the Volkish element of the history. There’s a lot to unpack on the influences of folkism. I tried to pick a few things that gave an accurate sense for the sake of time. But yes, you are correct. And McNallen is far from the only folkist that was active in the early American iteration of the ideology.
This is something I've run into alot due to being black. But the idea that these amazing Beings are limited by weird human restrictions always confused me. The Deities I worship don't really care what your bloodline has in it.
It's so interesting to me because as a baby heathen I felt drawn to an orisha (Eshu) but I was scared that would be culturally appropriative*. So I did some research, and the answer I consistently got from experienced practitioners was, "we aren't in charge of who the orishas work with. The orishas make those decisions themselves." I got some warnings to be honest and respectful and not dabble for funsies, because again, these are not some little pet spirits you can control. They have minds of their own and they can have a sense of humor but when they have a reason pissed at you that sense of humor does not play out in especially fun ways. It really impressed on me that this is serious. In contrast, this gatekeeping attitude seems so disrespectful. Most of us can't control who our cats socialize with, but Wotan can't work with whomever he damn well pleases? *note: I did get some advice on specific practices that would be appropriative, like wearing eleke beads. Even then, it wasn't, "you can't ever because you are white" so much as "you would need to find a community and go through the proper steps to be initiated. You should take that process seriously too and not just clamor to get in because you want the pretty beads: it's a mutual commitment and a house might turn you down because you aren't the right fit."
@@LaneMaxfield Exactly. Like Despite me being black I've never felt a pull to any African Deities for most of my life. In fact some black communities so hurt from exploitation exclude other black ppl. (Don't even get me started on colorism) Gods sure are mysterious
Hey Ocean, thank you very much for this thoughtful explaination. Unfortunately this video seems to have been suppressed by the Algorithm as I had to dig for it rather than it appearing in my feed. Thought you should know.
@@heathenhammer2344 I don't have to, because it's not relevant. It doesn't matter who worshipped what gods thousands of years ago. We're not living thousands of years ago. Beyond that, the implication that gods who exist in a nature so vastly different to ours even take race into consideration when thinking about us is frankly ridiculous. It would be like wondering the species of every fly you swat away.
@@hufflepuffsith5465 it is relevant. Every people has its own gods and ancestors. That is called diversity. It is how nature works. Tell a Shintoist his culture is irrelevant and that his gods and ancestors are not connected to him. That anyone can worship his cultural gods. Tell a Hindu or a Yoruban the same. Odin is the Allfather of the Germanic peoples. He is not a universal deity.
@@hufflepuffsith5465father of all GERMANS. It was clear which countries he fathered, it was outlined in the eddas. Germany, Denmark, France, Angleland, Saxony, Norway, Sweden are the places where odin and his sons spread his descendants as described in the eddas. The all father as the one force binding everything together and Odin as the all father/ king of the Germans are two different things, i think you are mistaking them as the same. Makes sense that you would mix these translations up considering you disregard the relevance of all this "because it's olddd".
As some one who has a lost ancestry I would hate to be excluded from believing in Odin and Freya. I came into this religion later on in my life, and it truly has helped me. I would never bar any one from sharing my experience.
You can't came into this religion, because it's long gone. All you have is a number of neo-paganistic cults, you could create any cult at any time and to serve whatever gods you want, it's just their particular cult doesn't recognize your views as valid, and that's it.
I’m Native American of Kaniénké:haka (Mohawk) descent and I’m a self proclaimed Heathen. I was raised in my own “Traditional Ways” which are still strongly rooted in. But I have brought Norse Pagan spirituality into my life since my early teens. I admit the topic of race in the Heathen community was always something I’ve always struggled with. Sometimes I feel uncomfortable wearing my mjolnir in public (though I still wear it). I find the Gods have been a big part of my life and still are. Though I have met some amazing people with the Heathen communityI have had my run ins with racists who don’t understand why I don’t “stick to my own”. So I’ve been in quite a bit of physical altercations. No matter what anyone tells me I will always welcome the Gods by my side. Videos like this help me to be more comfortable to be more Heathen. Hail Odin!
How do you honor your ancestors and their beliefs, if you worship something that originated out of another peoples beliefs? Not of your tribe? How does that honor their spirits and their memory? Germanic religion/mythology is part of the overall proto-indo-europeans beliefs who came out of the Ukrainian steppes and spread into Europe in the late neolithic/early bronze age. The Europeans slaughtered your people and brought christianity to the tribes in North America in the colonial period. I am curious. In the end you are free to do as your please. But none of your honored ancestors among your tribe held these foreign beliefs.
I am a folkist pagan. I believe the Native Americans have it in their blood to worship our gods. Stephen McNallen shares these views on the North American natives. Regardless, universalism and folkism doesn't have to be such a divider. Hail the Gods!
In the McNallen clips where there's a shelf above his head, note the Wewelsburg "black sun" on the right. The object on the left is a Julleuchter, a pottery candle holder (based on a historical Swedish example) which was given to members of the SS, who were encouraged to treat it as a kind of cult object. Seriously, he has an SS candle holder.
@Theorydriven are u surprised about this? the symbol the old "wolf" expose as his own is a variant of Werwolf Nazi Guerrilla Groups in WW2 (stolen by old faith, of course)
Ironically, I struggled with similar feelings of Folkism a lot more back when I was Buddhist. However, it was always directed towards myself and never towards others. I was always scared to call myself Buddhist in public because I was afraid people would use my Hispanic heritage to exclude me from the religion. Thinking back on it, I only ever received positive reactions even from Buddhists themselves so I feel quite silly for letting those thoughts control me. Now as a pagan, I find those thoughts never seem to pop up and I proudly worship many gods in the Greek pantheon. I'm not sure what caused the change. Perhaps it was age as I was a teenager when I was Buddhist and I became Pagan as an adult.
Not supporting racialism here, but there is some misunderstanding. Race is not a social construction, its kinship and ancestral worship. The problem is that our ancestors are worshipped as gods through ehumerism. Oden is found in my family tree. I am the story of our folk. I guess this video portrait a religious view, and that Oden is the one almighty god that Norse Ancestry are trying to deprive the world of. As a Gode, an Asapriest, i believe anyone living in the northern hemisphere could meet the forces of the gods in our nature. I believe spirituality is endemic and organic. One foreigner approached me and said "i am not one of you" i said its good you come to see the gods. He cried. Foreigners, outsiders are not necessarily a problem for us, its when enemies are hostile and want to school us and teach us about our own culture or how we should think and behave it becomes a problem. Or if people, states trying to destroy the cultural heritage. Otherwise we are an ancient peaceful folk. I love my folk, it dont need to be an organised religion. It comes from heart and soul, and knowledge, both regular and mystic.
As a Vitki born in India and being super brown I was really scared going to speak with Odin due to being scared of him refusing any help for me and attack and harm me instead. However I saw works of Arith Harger and your videos and decided to meet Odin. All father indeed changed me and I will never bow down to weak heathens who are so scared that they will stop us from finding our purpose with Allfather. I will be the berserkr and fight for Odin.
In my observation, the Norse spirits seem interested in widening the spiritual gene pool and often call to people with talents they want us to learn about. Bringing in "outside experts" is one way to spark interest or memory in the rest of us. They seem to be pragmatic entities.
I'm a Filipino wiccan and I thought I was receiving messages from Hecate but every video and book I read on her gave me this gut wrenching feeling of "this is not who is sending you messages" and one night as I was going to sleep I had the most vivid dream. I was standing in a plateau covered in ice and a raven perched itself on me and I woke up as the sun came. From then I new someone else was trying to reach out. All the reading I've done points out to Odin, all the signs to seek wisdom and grow in my career reared their head after I swore an oath to Odin. Odin reached out to me and I've been happy ever since. Thank you for your videos and essays they've really help me move forward in my craft and my faith. Blessed Be!
That's how I began my wiccan path, although I only worship the lord and lady at the moment, I still try to do my research on other religions in an effort to understand them, this channel being one of the many that has helped me on my path.
Did he use the phrase "scientific truth?" You know, I heard a quote recently. It goes something like: "science is concerned with fact, philosophy is concerned with truth." The confusion of science and philosophy is a hallmark of fascism.
we have a massive problem here in Germany, that many elements of the Christian institutions and many members of the general public immediately equate paganism/heathenism with nazism. This is why I do not wear my Mjölnir in public.
They have a lot of nerve, given what horrors Christianity actually endorsed in its past (and present). By this logic, whenever a Catholic priest starts getting preachy, we should call him a child molester.
It's completely possible to love one's ancestry, find and enjoy a potent relationship between the self and the Gods through it, and celebrate the ancient cultures of one's forebears while also being completely supportive to other communities seeking the same thing with their own pasts.
The gods don't belong to us to give out or hold back to others. We belong to the gods, all of us, even those who don't believe in them. The gods call to whom they will, who are we to deny them?
Norse ancestry isn't required. The "heathen" gods were broadly Germanic polytheistic deities with many names that were among the tribes of the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Goths, Franks, Belgae and more. You don't have to be specifically "Norse" to worship them.
I watched your vid👍👏 and Aliakai, Wolf vids👍👏 I want to talk about Metagenetics to explain the difference between the USA and French-speaking Europe. In 1985 the article would have triggered 2 reactions, a burst of laughter and this guy is a Nazi. Why? Because France with laïcité produced a great man Albert Jacquard. He has held important positions (see Wikipedia). What English Wikipedia doesn't say is that he fought as a geneticist against racism. Books, lectures in schools, textbooks, he already demonstrated at that time that genetics excluded racism. When a geneticist shows you that racist discourse, whatever it is (metagenetic) goes against genetics, that carries weight. This is why the first time I was in the States I was embarrassed by the casual use of the word race.
Geez man. Much of this is ancestral worship. They were Germans/Northern Europeans. Japanese, Somalis, Syrians, Aztecs never worshiped these gods. They had their own gods. So the gods are regional. What kind of DEI nonsense are you trying to promote? If something is unique to a culture, don't diss it.
If you wanna go deep with all these different gods and considering there's so many ethnic groups, races, territories, why wouldn't it make sense to think Northern Europeans were created by a specific god versus a Soux Indian? The Soux don't buy into this Norse stuff. They have their own beliefs of who created them. Other global religions for ethnic groups teach someone created them. Why not Europeans??
I'm looking for your response to January 6th and the use of European pagan symbols by some members of Trump's mob. Is this it? It should be noted that far more Christian symbols were used by both the Nazis and the maga movement. Both movements came from Christianity, not paganism.
So you're okay with European descent folks getting a Kwanzaa candle, doing native American rituals, Shintoism, and Rastafarianism right? I thought that was "cultural appropriation"? Why is it that it is called that only for European descent people but allowed when other cultures descendants want to get into Norse paganism and Celtic paganism? Why can't everyone just acknowledge that our ancestors had their own gods and it was HEAVILY the culture of the peoples. To each HIS OWN.
POOR YOU,YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, POEPLE WHO PRACTICE PAGANISM, THE GODS CHOSES THEM, PAGANISM GODS THEY ARE MOST WELCOMING GODS, NOW, DO YOU KNOW THE MEANING OF PAGANISM, ITS PLURAL, THEY ARE MANY, AND OH BOY THEY HAPPY, THE MASSES JOINING THE HAPPIER, SO DEAR, HOPEFULLY YOU UNDERSTAND WHY MASSES ARE ATTRACTED TO ANY GODS, P.S, I DONT BELONG TO PAGANISM BUT I HAD HISTORY ON THAT LINE BUT NOT ANYBODY, JUST ENJOY YOUR JOURNEYS WITH WHATEVER YOUR DOING,OR YOU CAN COME TO US I,ONE GOD WORSHIPERS BUT THERE YOU WILL COMPLINE GOD IS ALLOWING EVERY POEPLE TO WORSHIP ,POEPLE SHOULD GO BACK TO THEIR GODS 🤷♀️ AS FOR GODS THEY ARE HAVING A BALL,OF MASSES FROM EVERY CORNER OF EARTH JOINING THEM, AND NOTHING ELSE YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT,
1) Fuck Folkism. 2) This video was incredibly necessary. Thank you for going so deep into the historical links to the Nazi movements and how much McNallan and others were inspired by them. This is so often ignored by those who inherited these ideas due to the softening of rhetoric by master propagandists like McNallan. 3) The YSEE and other folkist orgs take so much of their sneaky rhetoric from the AFA. It's crazy how much exchange there has been between these abusive groups. As a pagan and as a Haida, I'm proud to stand alongside you with the biggest middle finger we can possibly throw against these harmful beliefs.
Both of you have helped me out so Much, Hail to you Both! And Good on you for calling out Evil and Giving your Enemies no Peace! Heil the Aesir and Vanir!
@@gryphonprovenzano3156 that's strange. No one else seems to be having that issue. Unless you've been previously banned the links seem to be working fine. We've had several new members come in today.
Frankly, I think Mcnallen style religious racism is much closer to what ancient paganism would have looked like, tribal Us and Them thinking being very natural to people around the world, but that is not the same as the nazi thinking that pops up nowadays. Being concerned about homosexuality and transsexuality is something that obviously is a result of existing in a culture dominated by secular woke ideas, such things would never have arisen thousands of years ago, neither could concern about genetics which required darwin to come first.
If "races" are now called "ethnicities" or "ethnic groups" it doesn't mean they're social constructs; it just means that we've changed our vocabulary and our meanings due to political reasons. Your examples just mean that throughout history there have been different understandings: as nationalities, as peoples, as tribes, etc., but it always boiled down to an understanding of a difference. This is not to justify discrimination, of course racism is always wrong. But "racism is wrong" does not equate to "ethnicities don't exist". They do exist, we just shouldn't discriminate on that basis of difference.
I have a substantial amount of Jewish, also much Baltic and Slavic blood, therefore way below 50% Germanic ancestry. But Wodan has ever been the sole god, to not ignore me. I prayed to Yahweh for over ten years and the prick never answered. Therefore, I have no objections towards Judaism being treated in no manner other than being left to rot in the gutter, as Heathenry obviously is less racist... how ironic that is.
I think there can be a valid middle ground to the Folkish position. The Gods can choose whom they want to, but that's not carte blanche for anyone to impose themselves into a tradition. If we respect other indigenous traditions (Māori, Navajo, Yoruba, etc.) then it's only natural to ask for one's indigenous tradition to be respected in the same way. Can a Māori, Navajo, or Yoruba deity call a non-Māori, Navajo, or Yoruba person to their service? Yes. Should one impose oneself and say "I WANT TO worship the (Māori, Navajo, Yoruba) deities and you HAVE TO accept me"? NO. Hence, the middle ground.
First time ever saw this. laughed about the "White hand path." BTW. Judaism and a few others hold the same concept as what you defined. Even various indigenous native tribal cultures hold such beliefs. So let's not level it all on so called whitey.
FOLKISM traditionally was a western reference to a closed spiritual or religious tradition that’s exclusive only to its native people to practice. There’s nothing wrong with native preservationists keeping their spiritual practice from being commercially farmed out to everyone whether these preservationists are african hoodoo or norse heathenry. TRIBAL is essentially a tradition where one would have to be initiated or invited into it by its native practitioners. UNIVERSAL traditions are a version of a religion or spiritual tradition open to all regardless of ethnicity, etc. Universal Asatru is one example available for anyone outside of northern european ancestry. I believe Hindu & Buddhism is the same (assuming some sects are probably folkish).
Folkists seem to forget that Indoeuropean gods have common roots. Tiwaz / Tyr is the same word as Jupiter, Zeus, Deus, and the Indian Dyaus Pitar. Donar is similar to Taranis. There might also be a link between Kali and Hel. Let‘s celebrate the richness of these legacies. And, btw, I am German and I don‘t think that Wotan will intervene. Windalf should, however, blow away the coronavirus, if he wants to be helpful. Bet he‘d do a better job than Mr. Copeland.
Yeah, .. great .. ideal, call/ summon .. both .. Kali & Hel at the same time. First off you will only get one of their very minor astral avatar aids. Gods are metamorphic energy fields charged with a given wave frequency that grow, shape, change and take on new identities over the centuries. As a country boy I know what electric fences feel like and some of the Hindu deities give one hell of a pop. And here I am arguing/ debating or whatever in German language root name/ words, .. Wotan, wOtan, VO'Tan. Wo = what ever & who really knows. Tan = hedge row of pine trees to shelter horses or herds from winter winds. As a teenager I did my best in the early 1990's to track everything down I could in the public library regarding occult/ early religion history. Along with stone napping and smelting my own steel. " How did tribal folk heroes turn into gods over time." Other than lacking horses and a bunch of farm animals, during summer months I lived outside in huts and lived as close to the ways stone/iron age people did. Yeah, I was trying to have a spiritual vision. So did you have any luck with Wotan or Windalf, or did you just get lecture in a sterner way then what your grand parents normally do? By the way, I am a descend from more than a few hundred year old military family whose charge was to maintain the forest lands and my great grand father was a officer for Germany during WW I. Just image the fist fights I had growing up in America with people wreaking my plants & circles. Please tell me you did not have to deal with religious harassment growing up.
How is he right in the slightest? He's just a wannabe-German Abrahamic in a Viking costume, all of the shit that the idiot blabbers is just Judeo-Christian beliefs repackaged, all of which are inherently insulting to the Gods.
This is why I avoid groups. Individuals are tough enough to deal with. Get them into groups and it's all and only about power, the siren song of the room temperature IQ.
Thank you for the video. McNallen is mostly too boring in his propaganda speeches, so people often just skip his outright Nazi sermons. It is good you made this point here. This is very dangerous and has to be addressed.
I was mistaken for a racist because of my Mjolnir Pendant. My girlfriend brought me over to meet her family, her brother took her aside to make sure she wasn't dating a Nazi.
Sounds like her brother isn't too bright and is prejudiced. Does he pull people to the side that wear crosses and ask them if they are in the KKK???or if they support the historical genocide they have committed??? I doubt it. Talk about low IQ and double standards
@@albertcook unfortunately, it's becoming a real concern. Pegan imagry is something that is drawing fascists in a lot these days. It's less personal for me, as I'm merely an atheist that appriciates this stuff from a secular perspective, but even I am finding myself careful in what contexts I show my enjoyment of the Norse pantheon and the tales around them lest I either be misunderstood or attract the attention of people I don't want to draw to me. Ignorance is a universal component of the human experience. As long as it isn't deliberate or stubborn and handled with humility (such as pulling aside for a conversation instead of openly making bold accusations on insufficient information) we should seek to respond with respect when possible.
@@geogeo2299 I can only answer for myself, but if someone in my family decided that being a Nazi was a negotiable enough to date them, I would absolutely disown said family member. Supporting genocide is not an acceptable difference of political oppinion and make no mistake, Nazism is, at least defacto, a conspiracy to commit genocide. Even ignoring that the victims would include people I love and eventually also myself, that's just not acceptable in any way. Add in the personal, and families have historically frequently _killed_ each other for _far_ less.
So like how far back do the ancestors not count anymore? Cause we all come from a handful of humans who originated in Africa, like does mitochondrial Eve not count as our collective ancestor? Like at what point are we like "that's as far back as I care to look"
Watching the video for the 10th time or so rn and the sentence "Wotan, wether you think of him as a god or an archetype, will intervene" get's me every time. How can an archetype intervene? People can intervene, gods can too, but archetypes? That reification of archetypes is smth that has always anoyed me about ppl like Jung & Peterson etc.
If you bring your own ancestors into your faith you might dissapoint them, but if you want to venerate my ancestors over yours then you're definitely a disappointment to your own. So while I'm not condemning noneuropean worship of the gods I do think that consideration of your ancestors should factor into your choice. If you're still confident in this faith then I raise my glass to you and cheer for your journey.
All things related to life are downstream of biology. This is not a statement of preference, or hate, but rather fact. Your biological makeup forms how your brain works and therefore your mind. Yes, different races have many similarities but also many miniscule and not so minor differences. You can see how forcing different races together has a strain on culture as culture has biological roots. There is a similar result with religious strain as religion is also downstream from biology. These are not statements of hate. Different breeds of dog behave differently, as do different races of similar birds. We can either recognize and embrace each other's traits or ignore them and deal with the strife that follows.
Imagine being a guy that is like “these Mexican gods like Huitzilopochtli haven’t contended with the likes of Wotan! Our god is stronger rah rah rah!” …well if we want to talk about power of mythological beings, Yahweh/Jesus stomped Wotan equally as equally as hard as Huitzilopochtli. If we are going by power of a god, I’m going to have to throw my lot in with Yahweh then 😂 disclaimer: this is a humorous shot at Stephen McNallen and people who think like him not directed at the beliefs of people who have chosen paganism as their religious practice nor is this an endorsement of Christianity or its historical actions. I’m an atheist 🙃
Technically yes, every religion has their own form of gatekeeping. The issue is that Religions such as Norse paganism were open to all types of people, not just those who were of Norse decent. What Folkist's are doing is destroying the core values and principals of the religion by gatekeeping the religion from anyone who isn't white and or Scandinavian.
@@aidenharvey3784 If a group of people do nothing to maintain what they have, they will lose it. If they practice race mixing they will lose the very essence of what makes them whom and what they are over time. If this is "gatekeeping" then I am all for it, otherwise we all end up as some faceless blob eventually, and the future people of these ancestors will look at photos and not even recognise themselves as being from those ancestors.
I am SO HAPPY to see this video. I have recently been exploring Viking lore and Nordic history and during the time I've spent exploring I've felt that drive or 'call' people talk about, to learn about the pantheons and spiritual practice. I'm an eclectic witch on my normal days but i've never had a path to really stick to or felt really drawn to like i've suddenly been drawn to Norse and Celtic paganism. My biggest fear exploring this further, however, was running into hate groups and neo-nazi propaganda or white supremist territory, things I don't agree with or believe in and feel strongly against, and the fear that the further I explored this path the more people would see me as part of these groups. The deeper I dive into this the more people I meet who are NOT of these groups and they have helped me greatly to navigate through some of this madness and get to the proper sources where the right information can be found. I was recommended Ocean Keltoi by another pagan youtuber on here who praised his well spoken videos and this video specifically to really help me understand the modern history and what's been going on. This video was an eye opener, I'm so glad to have found and and I LOVE what it speaks about. It's a video I will be recommending in the future and I'll be sticking around the channel as well for further research. :)
All very compelling and interesting stuff. As a person interested in paganism and witchcraft, but not identifying with anything in particular (I'm still searching), I have seen this attitude frequently from several different angles. Particularly in Pinterest comment boxes on folk beliefs associated with different geographical areas and ethnicities. It is very common to see white people screaming at other white people for burning white sage as a folk religious practice, because that's ONLY allowed for people of North American aboriginal descent, and you are culturally appropriating the practice if you are not genetically related to those groups. Similarly, people make comments under posts on Voodoo magic like 'If your skin ain't melanated, STAY AWAY from these practices!' It's just important to note that this type of gatekeeping is all over the place in pagan/folk traditions of all kinds. It's not just white people doing it for so-called white culture. But it's funny to see the white savior attitude on behalf of non-white traditions 'defending' their 'right' to 'separately but equally' pursue their pagan beliefs and practices. Even if it has absolutely no basis in history or reality. I also want to observe about the ancient world and the practice of offering tribute to the local gods of the place you may be visiting. That was ubiquitous in ancient times, and highlights how truly diverse and open polytheistic society actually was. The notable exception to this is the Old Testament kings and prophets who absolutely REFUSED to offer any kind of polite veneration of the gods of other groups. Who were so antagonistic towards being told to offer tribute, that they fought wars over it. It's funny to see the Asatru people trying so hard to emulate this 'Odin requires exclusive devotion' rhetoric. That just sounds like their ascribing qualities of the Judeo-Christian Yaweh to Odin.
I'm pretty sure there's a "chosen people" from the Near East that are a larger and more accurate representation of "folkism" than most Heathens portray "Judah", the son of Jacob... Judah-ism Not to mention "Israel" being the epithet of Jacob And Zionism And the Third Temple Movement... Can folkism be positive? Should folkism be reserved exclusively for Non-europeans? Is folkism only bad if Europeans do it?
"The gods will call whom the gods will call." I want you read that phrase a few times over before going on, just to keep it in mind as you read the rest of what I have to say and understand that I firmly believe this idea that the gods are not limited in whom they deem necessary to have as followers at any given point in time. I should probably warn you that when I was told I needed to learn brevity, I misunderstood and thought they said "levity" So you will find me long winded, but funny. Just don't judge my humor by that last joke. That being said, here is my story. Back in the early 90's I came to be a follower of the Nordic gods. By 1995 I had encountered several others and we had formed a local Kindred. That summer one of the other leaders, my self, and our sponsor took a trip to Wisconsin to petition for our kindred to join the Asatru Alliance of Kindreds. On our way we encountered a vehicle with an "Odin Lives" bumper sticker on it. That particular sticker had been created by the Alliance and was sold through their quarterly magazine. We waited outside of the 7-11 we were stopped at to see who came to the vehicle. When the occupants returned we strode over and introduced ourselves, explaining how we recognized the bumper sticker. The owner of that vehicle turned out to be one Steven MacNallen. Jump forward a year to the next gathering that took place here in California in a place called Big Bear. At that gathering my Kindred brother and I had an opportunity to have several conversations with MacNallen. One conversation was on the similarities between the concepts of Hamingja and Chi ( by Kindred brother and I being well versed in eastern martial arts and between the three of us we concluded that they were the same concept, an idea that has been born out to me in subsequent reference books on the subject of life force energy.) Before I go on I would like to make it clear that other than at gatherings and a few a few handwritten correspondences, I never had much contact with MacNallen, perhaps 15 or 20 days total in the 25+ years since we met and other than the conversation I am about to relate we did not much talk about the subject of race at all. I have never read any of his books nor watched any of his videos so you probably know more about him and his beliefs than I do. Another conversation that he and I had was on the subject of ancestry and its connection to the gods. Specifically I was referring to the events in the Lay of Rig, which tells of how HemidallR came down to Earth in human guise and fathered the three classes of mankind, the Rulers, the Merchants, and the Servants. This of course led to a long conversation on the idea of Folkism and Metagenetics. The following is what I took away from that conversation. There is a connection between those of us of Germanic/Teutonic/Nordic ancestry and the gods. The same kind of connection exists between every other culture and the gods that they follow (until those gods and their worship was suppressed and nearly wiped out by the Christians). This means that whether you are German or Cherokee or a Masai tribesman you have an ancestral connection to your gods. What this means is that once you have broken free of the shackles of Christianity, the FIRST place you should look when seeking a religious/spiritual path to follow is that of your ancestors. This idea applies ACCROSS THE BOARD, regardless of what your ancestry is, the best place to start is with the beliefs and practices of those ancestors. For those like me who have a mixed ancestry, well we have more choice inn where to start and a broader base from which to launch that quest. let me repeat that last bit for those in the back of the class....for those like me who have a mixed ancestry, well, we have more choice in where to start and a broader bass from which to launch that quest. This connection to our ancestral deities is in no way intended to be exclusionary. it is simply a thing that exists on what is most likely a metaphysical level, although in cases where deities are believed to have actually mated with humans a literal genetic connection could be implied...or at least inferred. BUT, again this is by no means intended to be a line in the sand, or a separation any more than the fact that you have your family and I have mine is intended to be a separation that would prevent children of ours from working together, or being friends or marrying. So folkism for me was an acknowledgement of a connection to the gods of ones ancestors but not a prohibitory idea that would prevent people who have connections to other gods from taking up the worship of Odin or Athena or Shiva. At least that was the take away I had from that conversation with MacNallen. When I expressed it to him it seemed to make him a bit uncomfortable, almost as though he either had never thought of the fact that this idea could be applied across the board, or he had and had hoped that no one else would come to that same conclusion. I will point out here that my position on this issue tends to make everyone a little uncomfortable, some because I reject the racism that can be all too easily applied to the idea and others because my take is still too close the the idea put forth by racists for them to be comfortable with. At the beginning of all of this I said "The gods will call whom the gods will call." I firmly believe that. If Odin wants a Cherokee poet in Valhalla, or Thor wants a Massai cattle herder in Bilskirnir, or Loki wants...okay so no one really cares what Loki wants...but you understand my point. It is not up to you, or I to question whom the gods call. So all in all that's my take on the whole thing. I can understand how Folkism as MacNallen understands it can and is used to promote a racial agenda, It saddens me that in 80 years we seem to have learned nothing. Edred Thorsson wrote in "A book of Troth", while the AEsir are essentially the gods of the Teutonic peoples, others haver been sufficiently economically, culturally, financially or linguistically "Teutonicized" as to have a strong connection to the gods as well. I am, of course paraphrasing as I am too lazy to walk across the room to my bookshelf and get the book, but this paraphrase captures the essence of what he was saying, that more than just people of Teutonic ancestry can be followers of Asatru...as I said twice before..."The gods will call whom the gods will call."
I think this is a very fair interpretation and one I tend to agree with. Being of mixed Indian and English/German descent myself, I have incorporated both Hinduism and A-S paganism into my religious outlook. I feel a connection with both, probably from a combination of ancestral lineage and personal interest. I feel like any person breaking away from the Abrahamic religions should look into the faith of their ancestors first. However, whichever gods call you, they call you, and you should decide how to chart your spiritual journey without being locked in by any factor, racial or otherwise. Besides, so many people have mixed descent, including Europeans. For my English side, should I follow the Germanic gods or the Brythonic gods? I descend from followers of both. At some point you have to make a choice, and you can make that choice while still respecting and appreciating the gods of your ancestors that you don't incorporate into your day-to-day practices.
Good job Ocean! As I tell people, especially when it comes to this folkish nonsense, it's the Gods who pick their followers not genetics. Put plainly," the Gods know who their children are!"
To say that Asatru springs from the genetics of the people suggests that the Gods come FROM the people which is absolutely delusional. Odin and the Gods complete exist, full stop.
I personally feel that everyone benefits from following the path of their ancestors, and should try to incorporate those practices in their own spirituality. The gatekeeping and racism however are absolutely fucking unhinged 🤦♀️ Edit: this of course is completely unrelated to ACTUAL closed practices. 😊
I found it interesting that you argue that limiting Wotan's domain to Europeans is not realistic because Wotan cannot be limited. Wrong, very wrong. All gods, of all religions, appear to have their limitations, in spite of claims of omnipotence. For instance, the God of the Christians has to struggle mightily against his nemesis, the Christian devil. He erred when he created the devil in the first place. Many of the legends and stories in the bible also admit to a lack of reach and omnipotence in God(s) power. Also, Jesus Christ originally intended that the sect he founded would only be practiced by Jews in the promised land. Christianity would have stayed in Palestine but for the efforts of St. Paul, who bought his version of Christianity to the larger roman world.
The greatest allure that polytheism has is its inclusive not exclusive nature. Abrahamic religions are full of rules and structures to seperate such as "chosen people" and formal initiation practices like circumcision and baptism
I've met people who think black people can't worship pagan gods becuse they can't possibly have white ansesters. But mixed racial marrages and my own cousins who are halph white halph black debunk this and they are just as much desended from the celts as I am. People forgot mixed backgrounds exist and the fact you can be spiritually drawn to concepts that don't really reflect what ansesters we have. For example ancient faiths would constantly adopt stuff from other faiths. And for awhile I was pretty drawn to martial arts Wich come from Asia and as far as I know I have no asian decent but that doesn't mean I can't want to learn about there spirituality. People need to stop gatekeeping and let people explore.
i understand the video and even agree with it all, but i still want to use the word "folk" without it being racist so in my opinion we need to give this type of racism a new name so anyone and everyone can use the word folk without it being racist. one of the meanings could refer to the entirety of the heathen population (even if your skin color is black white brown green purple red blue etc.) im so tired of people giving words and symbols a bad reputation and meaning. people like that old dude i will treat like "the one with no name" make our religion and every one of its followers look bad. i will give the replacement word for folk raasauntru or rasist Asatru.
This is what made me step back from heathenry. I was on web forums in the early 2000’s and just got too much of american.....i guess Asatru. It even rubbed off on me leading to some cognitive dissonance that just got me....tired. What ended up happening is that i bagan practicing ( and still do ) mainly in private, seldomly even speaking of it. In Sweden it seems most heathens ( the ones i meet at least ) are nowhere near the concept of ”folkish” vs ”universalist” ( are these terms still used ? ) A gydja i know described American asatru as a ”related but different religion” . The term ”forn sed” is often used here ( and that’s the one i use too ) to a more reconstructivist and folklore leaning heathenry. I for the sake of argument told a friend ( an archeologist focused on Norse archeology ) that i almost had in mind formulating the idea and argument as a joke ,that only people who grew up in a Nordic country had access to the Norse Gods ( regardless of skin coulour etc ) because the culture, language and topography played in to even understanding or conncting to it. We had a laugh about it since,ofcourse, that would be equally bonkers.
Sweden is a very ethnically homogenous country, thats the reason the concept doesnt exist because its essentially folkish by default. Everyone has access to the Norse, Germanic gods etc, its just far more likely that if you have Germanic ancestry you will find them. The main issue with McNallen is thers no need for exclusivity to be enforced, it generally enforces itself with self selection into the group. The main argument for Folkish is the universalists embrace modern woke politics which actively undermines either traditional or reconstructivist faiths and beliefs
@@Frenchfrys17 That is one of them. To Folkist's/Nazis, you have to be white and or Scandinavian to be apart of Norse Paganism. What defeats their entire mindset is the majority of these nonjobs are American (though there are some Folkist's throughout Europe) with various degrees of Scandinavian ancestry, yet they go around thinking their "purebloods".
@@aidenharvey3784 My other critique is that I highly doubt the Norse/Vikings share the racialist or ethnocentric views that modern right wing neopagans have. They travelled and settled to other areas and even brought back foreigners to their homelands time to time.
18:47 “Who command a system of magic which alter the very strands of time” Source? The Gods are not all powerful. They are still beholden to örlög. Odin has to die during Ragnarök, he has no choice. No Galdur or even seidhr can alter this.
I wonder what this guy would think of me; a black person of German descent? Also, even though we are talking about beliefs not being ethnocentric, I still would suggest people who are not African American not practice voodoo, hoodoo, or other Caribbean practices. This isn't a god thing, you are communicating with the spirits of slaves and practitioners of the past, and they may not be all that nice to a random white person calling them up for a favor. If it's something you really want to go into, make sure to talk to your local practitioner and ask what is right.
Super dangerous character... Don't get me wrong i think anything you have a cultural connection to is something definitely worth perusing and should be encouraged because alot of things get lost over time, and its'sad to see that happen etc. But if it starts breeding this kind of hate, ignorance and exclusion then it's a blatant perversion of the faith and historical truth. This needs to be kept in check.
As a dane i find it pretty rude that this Stephen mc-race-talk is using pictures of Holger Danske when speaking of Wotan ... Yes Holger Danske is "sleeping" and will acording, to legend awake to fight when Denmark is under threat... but I doubt the threat is going to be about race... We live together, many different type of people in what i would call multi-cultural society, and overall, DK is still pretty peacefull. Holger Danske sleeps in the dungeons beneath the castle Kronborg. It is said that he has been asleep for so long that his beard has grown into the table in front of him. He is a legendary character, and (as far as I know) not based on a historical person.
Very good video, thank you for sharing it. A much needed discussion.
Much appreciated, Arith. I'm glad you liked the vid!
@@OceanKeltoi I liked it so much that I think I will speak a bit about it in one of my videos to make a point in relation to the worshipping of these divinities, and point people to this video, if you allow me, of course.
Arith Härger absolutely. Shoot me a dm on twitter if you want to coordinate.
@@albertcook I made a video discussing that.
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@@WolfTheRed I watched it. it was horrible. How can you speak about something that you clearly don't know about. You start out saying all these things that you say the lore doesn't say (but it does which shows you don't read it apparently) I also like how you say "other" groups it's perfectly fine for them to "gate keep" but it's not ok for people that "happen" to be of white European descent (big surprise,double standards). It's either ok for everyone or not ok for anyone. Also stop using "racists" as a strawman argument to try and put that on people that actually go by the lore and historical information thus making them "Folkish".
I'll tell you what. You say that my Ancestors didn't know about "genetics" Also, if you want me to play devils advocate you say we don't know what they thought of "different skin colors". Or there is nothing talking about bloodlines. If I give a source for any of these will you delete you channel?? Because the only people that would like this channel are people that don't have a lot of knowledge of the historical sources, or people whos political views this backs up.
Imagine my shock when I realised that folkism doesn't mean interest in folklore and just listeninig to local old people talking about how they fought with some barn devil.
Ouch, sounds like me after I purchased one of Stephen Flowers's books on staves, only to learn, later, of his less-than-honorable affiliations. I was not a happy camper. The purchase was solely out of curiosity for the subject matter.
I wish the folkish would change their name to Nazi... It'd be easier to identify them.
@@oaktreeholler Haha agreed
@@ygrigoradamii5082 I understand the difference yet I see tons of Nazis using the name of folkish.
@@ygrigoradamii5082 Nazi is a subgroup of Folkish, and the largest with most Folkists being Nazis.
Having become a little disillusioned after I discovered one of my preferred heathen youtubers is a racist, this is very reassuring, thank you
Ancestor worship isnt 'racist' exclusion isnt 'racist'. Native Americans regularly exclude anyone who they don't share ancestors from their faiths.
Exclusion and supremacy are not remotely the same thing.
To quote an elder from the Rosebud Soux speaking to McNallen as he is referenced in this video
''You need to leave because we are about to perform a ceremony only for Indians, you will not find what you're looking for here, you need to drink from your own well''
McNallen is merely drinking from his own well, that is not racism
@@fritjofvalerijs800 this is a dumb take for so many reason.
1) You can join a Native American tribe without having any ancestors among them, genetics doesn't come into it.
2) Heathenry is a modern religion, nobody living has a direct connection to the Gods worshipped by the Old Norse, so excluding people based on some racial category that nobody living even fits into is ridiculous.
@@mullac1992 yeah I agree one of my old teachers was raised in a Native American tribe and is considered one of them
@@ygrigoradamii5082 So?
@@ygrigoradamii5082 So? My grandma is Catholic, does that make me "genetically" Catholic? If I have ancient Germanic ancestors, does that make me "genetically" Heathen? Who gets to decide where the genetics of a religion reside?
Hávamál 132 (Andy Orchard translation) advises "...never hold up to scorn or to spite any guest or traveller." There's also just the general sense throughout that Odin is advising to be welcoming and open to new people who haven't done anything wrong. I see a rejection of any form of xenophobia, which would include folkism, as one of the core messages of the main surviving text that explicitly deals with morality and guidance.
Im a german and a pagan. I have the strong desire to deny this old goofbag. Imagine: Ragnarök begins and only german warriors go to the fight. Of course before 8pm because of "Ruhestörung" :D Just google the word, we love such nonsense.
Thank you for the education. I have met two men in my time identifying as heathen or Asatru, which I may have spelled wrong. You definitely informed me on why they seemed so wanting to limit the spiritual experience to those of a Germanic descent, and it always seemed odd to me. I don't see want to say conversion exactly, but it seems there needs to be allowance whatever path one grows into, wherever one comes from. It seems there has always been a kind of cultural mixing across time, and all the gatekeeping one may do for an identity will not stop the mixing. (Syncretism I think it's called) Thank you for your time.
Okay from the get-go, "White Hand Path" had me rolling
And then the rest of the video was very informative as well!
Find a way or make one was my unit motto in the Army, definitely dig that you are using it
Originally used by Hannibal Barca
@@OceanKeltoi ah for the Alps got it! Love the vids
For the tldr: go to 18:00
Ocean, you are a glorious wordsmith
My first rule of human history. We live in a dynamic, always going on for as long as humans exists, Mosh-Pit/Orgy where fluids and ideas are constantly being exchanged. Besides our forebearers went forth and whatever woman they fancied. They did not care if that woman was Grace Jones or the Swedish Bikini Team, or K-Pop stars.
Strong Viking women, gay Vikings, Loki being "gender fluid" and all the other ADL-approved talking points are being spewed by this guy Keltoi. Now he's telling us we cannot be a people through our religion, because that would be "racist". Has anyone else noticed how obvious subersion this is?
You can always try mormonism 👍
Not into abrahamic stuff, (that includes the people who probably fund you.) Keep your Mormonism, Mr Keltoi.@@OceanKeltoi
I sure have noticed it. There is a large sect of Jewish acting subversive "pagans" on yt.
@@wyrdwalkr Any one with a stein or burg at the end of their name is a good start.
I really wanna examine this in realation to the polynesian, in regards to things like heritage/whakapapa and how only thous with whakapapa allowed things like Ta Moko,/culture tattoo on the face. I feel like that would be a riveting discussion!
I absolutely love this video, but I feel it’s necessary to point out that Positives Christentum was first and foremost the result of decades, or rather centuries, of antisemitism in Germany/Prussia and Austria-Hungary.
The Protestant movement behind it was the Deutsche Christen, but there is no doubt that they were heavily influenced by the Austrian Christlich-Soziale Partei, (Chatolic and Fascist political party established in the late 19th century, and the result of the emergence of the reformist Christian Social Movement lead by Karl von Vogelsang).
Martin Luther who started the reformation in Northern Europe was extremely anti Semitic and the de-emphasis on the Old Testament started with him, not with Positive Christianity.
Also, the "bleaching" of Jesus, (making him "white" and non-Jewish), happened way earlier, and is still seen today.
It wasn’t a product of Nazism, but Nazism and the Deutsche Christen movement had a synergistic effect on each other!
There has been a huge effort to whitewash Christianity in regards to what happened in Germany and Italy, but the truth is, these fascist movement was heavily intertwined with Christianity.
The number of Nazis who was interested in aspects of Paganism was extremely small!
Paganism and atheism is often scapegoated as if the elite of the NSDAP was all either pagans or atheists - or that their religious views was somehow fringe, but it’s simply not true!
Similar movements to Deutsche Christen was In neighboring countries as well, including the "völkisch" approach!
Pretty sure it was also flourishing in the US in the late part of the 19th century and first 40 years of the 20th century!
Heck, Christian Nationalism in the US is basically a re-emergence of it!
I put it this way: Odin is the allfather, not the somefather.
I don't like extremism and I don't approve of hate. Thank you for this video. I didn't know the full story on folkism until now.
@@ygrigoradamii5082 stop advocating for racism.
@@ygrigoradamii5082 the words you’re missing here is “in my opinion”. I’m a Norse Pagan, I have descent from early Scandinavia. I also have family who were present in Holland during the Nazi invasion, ending in the deaths of millions of people, members of my own extended family included. People who stand for the same beliefs and symbolism as Nazi’s will never represent me, Heathenry, or the majority.
@@ygrigoradamii5082 everything you’ve just uttered with bated breath is your opinion, and only your opinion. It’s not fact, folkism is not fact. You’re a disgrace.
@@ygrigoradamii5082 where’s your counter argument and relevant information to discredit Keltoi? He has provided information, evidence and used current practices, beliefs, texts and other sources to formulate his opinion against Folkism and the AFA.
How do you argue against this?
@@ygrigoradamii5082 didn’t think so.
Not even watching the vid, of course Whites aren't the only ones who could experience " Oden", but obviously the whole idea and myths behind him are from euro germanic or however you want to say that - heritage and ethno culture. I think if I hear the word racism again especially in such a ridiculous place as a circle discussion regarding these very matters, I'll puke and crap at the same time from the sheer shock of the mental blockage of this generation, and when I use that word, I include my own.
That genetic connection instantly reminded of Assassin’s Creed.
Enough said.
arith harger has just released this video which is worth a look th-cam.com/video/6BYw1-hIBhA/w-d-xo.html he discusses cultural appropriation and the gods and it is very interesting, folkism and racial supremacy are also brought in as subjects arith's approach is very rational as usual
im no racist by saying this but racism doesn't bring any attributes nothing but being "the right color of the same ethnic group" ignoring that the person is not mentally, spiritually and intellectually good enough, being the right color of one ethnicity is not enough. its all because of our society came from the invaders and colonizers that genocided the european people destroying our culture and our traditions but i dont see this to be considered racism neither xenophobia, this is due to the history and christians not allowing other religions being practiced or stigmatizing as "devils lies" they dont listen the fact that their religion came from far away lands through generations, the pagan lands was home of one peoples that originated there the people that we are today we were the same, and considering by science that "race" isnt just a modern human construct and all of us were sapiens and that it doesn't bring anything just because of being "the right skin color"
pagans are just defending for their traditions and culture because its precious for one country's identity that makes our society different and diverse, and trying to remove it is the samething as destroying the history origins of your own country national identity
but yes the same thing thag happens to christianity fanatism, pagans fanatism is racism, we are no different
Isn’t it fair to say though that say a Asian or a Hispanic person worshiping Germanic Gods is cultural appropriation? Such as Europeans worshipping Native American Gods, or Slavs worshipping African Gods? I believe that the Gods may be worshipped by all who wish it, but it would be looked down upon if say a Southern American was worshipping a Asian God, or a Scandinavian worshipping a Native Australian God. It’s just a thought to give.
No, because you're confusing two different concepts. A "closed practice" isn't the same thing as deliberately excluding someone by an immutable characteristic, when there is an arbitrary line drawn in history about what "race" is.
Most "Hispanic" people can actually trace their origins to Europe, whereas being Meso-American is a different theology entirely. Trying to drawn comparisons between these concepts are conflationary at best, disingenuous at its worst. And saying that there's a "fear of death" just throws an entirely Christian and/or Abrahamic fear of "Hell" into the mix.
@J. Smith You're going to have to not assert my position here. I'm not positing a narrative, but the fact that "race" isn't something that can be transposed backwards. It doesn't work that way, nor is there any anthropological evidence for it.
Even outside of anthropology, multiple scientific fields do not support that race is genetic.
A phenotypical expression does not a "race" make. It is incredibly disingenuous to try and take these concepts and apply them in retrospect as if they applied, when the writings that have survived do not agree.
@J. Smith Also, this isn't some "oh, white man bad" type of thing, but a holistic approach to historical evidence from multiple sources, attempting to remove as much bias as I can. That's how history works. Nothing happens in a bubble.
@J. Smith That's not how research works, nor (again) is that how a "closed practice" works. Once again, you are attempting to impose something that doesn't apply, and accuse me of being a Marxist, with no evidence of such. You reject how actual methodological study works, including by using peer-review, and cross-reference and contemporary sources of the era.
It is incredibly disingenuous for you to claim my position or my biases. It is also incredibly disingenuous and dishonest to make claims about race and try to apply them retroactively is incredibly false.
PCA is charting, and does not apply to race.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)
Learn something. Scientists reject your reasoning. And have consistently for almost a century. Only pseudoscientists that try push for eugenic or other ideas that have little to no scientific validation try to use that argument.
Just, stop. You're done. This has nothing to do with "Marxist approach". This is following the evidence. Not shoving my head up my ass.
@@FaireKnight88 so why can't some european groups have closed practice of their own? Why are they not allowed to have that? That totally seems like "white man bad" for me.
This speaks to me. I have been feeling a *lot* of guilt and isolation from being a new Australian Heathen. I don't know my ancestry, but I am fairly sure I'm not Scandinavian and from some of the discorse and conversations I have had with some heathens I have come away with the impression that I am not welcome. So, thank you so much for this insightful video.
In my journey I believe all have magick locked away a desire to connect to the universe and love and learn
Just pointing out that Wotan and Tezcatlipoca, with their overlapping provinces of magic, warfare, kingship and sacrifice (and, if I may say so, their similar temperaments) might get along famously. Had history gone differently, they would have been ripe for syncretism
Odin the smoking mirror.
Coming from a reverent descendant of both Viking and Mexica bloodlines, I've just gotta stamp of approval upon this extremely astute observation.
Syncretism is usually a corruption of urbanized societies the likes of which we didn't see in 1000 AD scandinavia. It totally could have happened on the Aztec side but I think it wouldn't happen on the nordic side until much later and by that time secularism would already have been popularized and we'd likely see several other heresies similar to what we see in American Christianity.
There needs to be an alternate history where Vikings settled America, got along like a good bar brawl with everyone there and the pantheon that resulted being the most metal god damned thing ever put to paper.
@@chickenmclosingit6126 Yes.
Odin is the All Father not the some father
I always find it odd that people want to limit the gods to whatever petty limitations they themselves (think they) have.
Excellent video on an important discussion! I would just like to point out that Carl Jung is not the only influence on McNallen's (and Folkish Heathenry's) racism. Else Christensen's "Odinism" was also a major influence on McNallen (the two were good friends, along with Valgard Murray of the Asatru Alliance). For those who don't know of this woman, look her up, but in short she was a Danish Nazi sympathizer and white separatist who created a racialist religion called "Odinism", influenced by a similar racialist religion called "Wotanism" from an Australian racist named Alexander Rud Mills, who was influenced by the "Wotanism" of Nazi Leader Heinrich Himmler and racist Austrian Occultist Guido von List, amongst other spiritual belief systems (Helena Blavatsky's Theosophy for example). The word "Folkish" is also the English version of the German word "Völkisch", which is an adjective that is directly tied to Nazi Occultism and Aryanism. For more information on this part of that history, look up the article "Othala and US Heathenry's Racist Heritage" by Rory Bowman.
I wanted to go into the Volkish element of the history. There’s a lot to unpack on the influences of folkism. I tried to pick a few things that gave an accurate sense for the sake of time. But yes, you are correct. And McNallen is far from the only folkist that was active in the early American iteration of the ideology.
There is no umlaut in "volkisch".
@@damonallen3322ofcourse there is, its völkisch, not volkisch
This is something I've run into alot due to being black. But the idea that these amazing Beings are limited by weird human restrictions always confused me. The Deities I worship don't really care what your bloodline has in it.
It's so interesting to me because as a baby heathen I felt drawn to an orisha (Eshu) but I was scared that would be culturally appropriative*. So I did some research, and the answer I consistently got from experienced practitioners was, "we aren't in charge of who the orishas work with. The orishas make those decisions themselves." I got some warnings to be honest and respectful and not dabble for funsies, because again, these are not some little pet spirits you can control. They have minds of their own and they can have a sense of humor but when they have a reason pissed at you that sense of humor does not play out in especially fun ways. It really impressed on me that this is serious. In contrast, this gatekeeping attitude seems so disrespectful. Most of us can't control who our cats socialize with, but Wotan can't work with whomever he damn well pleases?
*note: I did get some advice on specific practices that would be appropriative, like wearing eleke beads. Even then, it wasn't, "you can't ever because you are white" so much as "you would need to find a community and go through the proper steps to be initiated. You should take that process seriously too and not just clamor to get in because you want the pretty beads: it's a mutual commitment and a house might turn you down because you aren't the right fit."
@@LaneMaxfield Exactly. Like Despite me being black I've never felt a pull to any African Deities for most of my life. In fact some black communities so hurt from exploitation exclude other black ppl. (Don't even get me started on colorism) Gods sure are mysterious
@Miss Howlite Tell me about it -_-;;
May the Gods be with you!
Facts, this goes with any pagan path really, Egyptian, Heathen, or Greek. All are welcomed :)
Hey Ocean, thank you very much for this thoughtful explaination. Unfortunately this video seems to have been suppressed by the Algorithm as I had to dig for it rather than it appearing in my feed. Thought you should know.
oh i know. It's demonetized. Any sharing is going to help fight that problem.
@@OceanKeltoi good news is that 2 years later it just came up in my feed.
This sounds like Universalist/Marxist/Globalist diverting
Oh yeah. This guy is obviously a Communist in disguise (sarcasm)
@@pedropontes2230 🤙🏻
Simple as the statement is, I'd say, "Odin is the All-Father not the Some-Father," sums it up pretty well.
Sums up your lack of understanding. Cite any source where non Germanic peoples worshiped Odin.
@@heathenhammer2344 I don't have to, because it's not relevant. It doesn't matter who worshipped what gods thousands of years ago. We're not living thousands of years ago. Beyond that, the implication that gods who exist in a nature so vastly different to ours even take race into consideration when thinking about us is frankly ridiculous. It would be like wondering the species of every fly you swat away.
@@hufflepuffsith5465 it is relevant. Every people has its own gods and ancestors. That is called diversity. It is how nature works. Tell a Shintoist his culture is irrelevant and that his gods and ancestors are not connected to him. That anyone can worship his cultural gods. Tell a Hindu or a Yoruban the same. Odin is the Allfather of the Germanic peoples. He is not a universal deity.
@@hufflepuffsith5465father of all GERMANS. It was clear which countries he fathered, it was outlined in the eddas. Germany, Denmark, France, Angleland, Saxony, Norway, Sweden are the places where odin and his sons spread his descendants as described in the eddas. The all father as the one force binding everything together and Odin as the all father/ king of the Germans are two different things, i think you are mistaking them as the same. Makes sense that you would mix these translations up considering you disregard the relevance of all this "because it's olddd".
@@heathenhammer2344I am Slavic and i worshipp Odin
As some one who has a lost ancestry I would hate to be excluded from believing in Odin and Freya. I came into this religion later on in my life, and it truly has helped me. I would never bar any one from sharing my experience.
You can't came into this religion, because it's long gone. All you have is a number of neo-paganistic cults, you could create any cult at any time and to serve whatever gods you want, it's just their particular cult doesn't recognize your views as valid, and that's it.
Me neither I’m black and I’m a pagan and Thor Odin and freya has helped me out a lot in a bad situation where I almost lost myself
I’m Native American of Kaniénké:haka (Mohawk) descent and I’m a self proclaimed Heathen. I was raised in my own “Traditional Ways” which are still strongly rooted in. But I have brought Norse Pagan spirituality into my life since my early teens. I admit the topic of race in the Heathen community was always something I’ve always struggled with. Sometimes I feel uncomfortable wearing my mjolnir in public (though I still wear it). I find the Gods have been a big part of my life and still are. Though I have met some amazing people with the Heathen communityI have had my run ins with racists who don’t understand why I don’t “stick to my own”. So I’ve been in quite a bit of physical altercations. No matter what anyone tells me I will always welcome the Gods by my side. Videos like this help me to be more comfortable to be more Heathen. Hail Odin!
How do you honor your ancestors and their beliefs, if you worship something that originated out of another peoples beliefs? Not of your tribe? How does that honor their spirits and their memory? Germanic religion/mythology is part of the overall proto-indo-europeans beliefs who came out of the Ukrainian steppes and spread into Europe in the late neolithic/early bronze age. The Europeans slaughtered your people and brought christianity to the tribes in North America in the colonial period. I am curious. In the end you are free to do as your please. But none of your honored ancestors among your tribe held these foreign beliefs.
I am a folkist pagan. I believe the Native Americans have it in their blood to worship our gods. Stephen McNallen shares these views on the North American natives. Regardless, universalism and folkism doesn't have to be such a divider. Hail the Gods!
@@orderoffolkism2116 No. Get out of here. Folkism is racist
@@BlackLotusVisualArchive I don't remember asking.
don't get discouraged we all are here for you.
In the McNallen clips where there's a shelf above his head, note the Wewelsburg "black sun" on the right. The object on the left is a Julleuchter, a pottery candle holder (based on a historical Swedish example) which was given to members of the SS, who were encouraged to treat it as a kind of cult object. Seriously, he has an SS candle holder.
Yeah, he dogwhistles through his fuckin set dressing.
McNallen is a literal Not-C. As in Not Comrade
Based
Good eye. Also, yikes.
@Theorydriven are u surprised about this? the symbol the old "wolf" expose as his own is a variant of Werwolf Nazi Guerrilla Groups in WW2 (stolen by old faith, of course)
Ironically, I struggled with similar feelings of Folkism a lot more back when I was Buddhist. However, it was always directed towards myself and never towards others. I was always scared to call myself Buddhist in public because I was afraid people would use my Hispanic heritage to exclude me from the religion. Thinking back on it, I only ever received positive reactions even from Buddhists themselves so I feel quite silly for letting those thoughts control me.
Now as a pagan, I find those thoughts never seem to pop up and I proudly worship many gods in the Greek pantheon. I'm not sure what caused the change. Perhaps it was age as I was a teenager when I was Buddhist and I became Pagan as an adult.
Are you me? lol I have thought the same thing coming from a fellow hispanic that also felt afraid to be openly buddhist
"The white-hand path"
KILLED ME 🤣🤣🤣
i thought about Saruman, the traitor istar in Lord of the Rings book...
I loved that one.
@@atypicalaspie7208 who care? u are free to read shit. and u free to be alone 'cause the stench
@@fabioartoscassone9305 Wtf? What kinda reply is that?
@@fabioartoscassone9305 ....what
Not supporting racialism here, but there is some misunderstanding. Race is not a social construction, its kinship and ancestral worship. The problem is that our ancestors are worshipped as gods through ehumerism. Oden is found in my family tree. I am the story of our folk. I guess this video portrait a religious view, and that Oden is the one almighty god that Norse Ancestry are trying to deprive the world of. As a Gode, an Asapriest, i believe anyone living in the northern hemisphere could meet the forces of the gods in our nature. I believe spirituality is endemic and organic. One foreigner approached me and said "i am not one of you" i said its good you come to see the gods. He cried. Foreigners, outsiders are not necessarily a problem for us, its when enemies are hostile and want to school us and teach us about our own culture or how we should think and behave it becomes a problem. Or if people, states trying to destroy the cultural heritage. Otherwise we are an ancient peaceful folk. I love my folk, it dont need to be an organised religion. It comes from heart and soul, and knowledge, both regular and mystic.
As a Vitki born in India and being super brown I was really scared going to speak with Odin due to being scared of him refusing any help for me and attack and harm me instead. However I saw works of Arith Harger and your videos and decided to meet Odin. All father indeed changed me and I will never bow down to weak heathens who are so scared that they will stop us from finding our purpose with Allfather. I will be the berserkr and fight for Odin.
Just seems weird sorry. I mean do what makes you happy, but it just seems strange to see an Indian worshipping Odin lol.
person Haha I know. I dont flaunt my ethnicity but Odin's appearance in my life changed me more than any Indian deity ever did in my life.
good for you morpheus! the gods of europe share many traits with the gods of india because of indo europeans.
Hold your head high with pride, and walk the path well, for the gods walk with you.
In my observation, the Norse spirits seem interested in widening the spiritual gene pool and often call to people with talents they want us to learn about. Bringing in "outside experts" is one way to spark interest or memory in the rest of us. They seem to be pragmatic entities.
I'm a Filipino wiccan and I thought I was receiving messages from Hecate but every video and book I read on her gave me this gut wrenching feeling of "this is not who is sending you messages" and one night as I was going to sleep I had the most vivid dream. I was standing in a plateau covered in ice and a raven perched itself on me and I woke up as the sun came. From then I new someone else was trying to reach out.
All the reading I've done points out to Odin, all the signs to seek wisdom and grow in my career reared their head after I swore an oath to Odin.
Odin reached out to me and I've been happy ever since. Thank you for your videos and essays they've really help me move forward in my craft and my faith.
Blessed Be!
That's how I began my wiccan path, although I only worship the lord and lady at the moment, I still try to do my research on other religions in an effort to understand them, this channel being one of the many that has helped me on my path.
Did he use the phrase "scientific truth?" You know, I heard a quote recently. It goes something like: "science is concerned with fact, philosophy is concerned with truth." The confusion of science and philosophy is a hallmark of fascism.
What a terrible quote
The claim that race is not biological is as much bs that mistaken for scientific truth.
a video some German priests should watch, who equate even interest in German traditions, not to speak of paganism, with nazism
we have a massive problem here in Germany, that many elements of the Christian institutions and many members of the general public immediately equate paganism/heathenism with nazism. This is why I do not wear my Mjölnir in public.
They have a lot of nerve, given what horrors Christianity actually endorsed in its past (and present). By this logic, whenever a Catholic priest starts getting preachy, we should call him a child molester.
It's completely possible to love one's ancestry, find and enjoy a potent relationship between the self and the Gods through it, and celebrate the ancient cultures of one's forebears while also being completely supportive to other communities seeking the same thing with their own pasts.
Aaaaaaaa-men!
...but if u think that human race is mixed for nature...
Fuck yeah, I needed to see this comment. Thanks
Hear, hear.
...and while also being supportive of communities and people who want to mix, right?
Yeah, I thought not.
I think you’re forgetting land-connection.
No traditional people would say that their Gods are for all.
There is NOTHING wrong with ethnic separation.
The gods don't belong to us to give out or hold back to others. We belong to the gods, all of us, even those who don't believe in them. The gods call to whom they will, who are we to deny them?
❤ this!
I dont think you quite understand how this path works. We're not lambs of god, we're not owned. You were brought here by marvel, weren't you?
@@jaytheblueeyedelf989 Beowulf in high school literature class actually. I highly recommend reading it at least once.
@@jaytheblueeyedelf989 you’re a poor representation of paganism and heathenry.
so is judaism folkism?
That Stephen mcnalen guy is kinda creepy
Who are we, as humans, to say someone cannot have a relationship with the gods? The gods call whoever they wish, regardless of ethnicity.
Yup yup
Race traitor
Wrong
Its the height of irony, IMO, how *messianic* fascism is.
I love how upset folkists get when you tell them you’re a heathen without norse ancestry. Its entertaining af. 😂
Norse ancestry isn't required. The "heathen" gods were broadly Germanic polytheistic deities with many names that were among the tribes of the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Goths, Franks, Belgae and more. You don't have to be specifically "Norse" to worship them.
@@0verlordgaming912 agreed
@@0verlordgaming912 I’m none of those things and here I am, norse pagan-ing!
Every god in asatru is white
@@0verlordgaming912 Yes.
Me, an atheist and secular humanist watching this: interesting, interesting
I watched your vid👍👏 and Aliakai, Wolf vids👍👏 I want to talk about Metagenetics to explain the difference between the USA and French-speaking Europe. In 1985 the article would have triggered 2 reactions, a burst of laughter and this guy is a Nazi. Why? Because France with laïcité produced a great man Albert Jacquard. He has held important positions (see Wikipedia). What English Wikipedia doesn't say is that he fought as a geneticist against racism. Books, lectures in schools, textbooks, he already demonstrated at that time that genetics excluded racism. When a geneticist shows you that racist discourse, whatever it is (metagenetic) goes against genetics, that carries weight. This is why the first time I was in the States I was embarrassed by the casual use of the word race.
Geez man. Much of this is ancestral worship. They were Germans/Northern Europeans. Japanese, Somalis, Syrians, Aztecs never worshiped these gods. They had their own gods. So the gods are regional. What kind of DEI nonsense are you trying to promote? If something is unique to a culture, don't diss it.
If you wanna go deep with all these different gods and considering there's so many ethnic groups, races, territories, why wouldn't it make sense to think Northern Europeans were created by a specific god versus a Soux Indian? The Soux don't buy into this Norse stuff. They have their own beliefs of who created them. Other global religions for ethnic groups teach someone created them. Why not Europeans??
I'm looking for your response to January 6th and the use of European pagan symbols by some members of Trump's mob. Is this it?
It should be noted that far more Christian symbols were used by both the Nazis and the maga movement. Both movements came from Christianity, not paganism.
So you're okay with European descent folks getting a Kwanzaa candle, doing native American rituals, Shintoism, and Rastafarianism right? I thought that was "cultural appropriation"? Why is it that it is called that only for European descent people but allowed when other cultures descendants want to get into Norse paganism and Celtic paganism? Why can't everyone just acknowledge that our ancestors had their own gods and it was HEAVILY the culture of the peoples. To each HIS OWN.
POOR YOU,YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, POEPLE WHO PRACTICE PAGANISM, THE GODS CHOSES THEM, PAGANISM GODS THEY ARE MOST WELCOMING GODS,
NOW, DO YOU KNOW THE MEANING OF PAGANISM, ITS PLURAL, THEY ARE MANY, AND OH BOY THEY HAPPY, THE MASSES JOINING THE HAPPIER,
SO DEAR, HOPEFULLY YOU UNDERSTAND WHY MASSES ARE ATTRACTED TO ANY GODS,
P.S, I DONT BELONG TO PAGANISM BUT I HAD HISTORY ON THAT LINE BUT NOT ANYBODY,
JUST ENJOY YOUR JOURNEYS WITH WHATEVER YOUR DOING,OR YOU CAN COME TO US I,ONE GOD WORSHIPERS BUT THERE YOU WILL COMPLINE GOD IS ALLOWING EVERY POEPLE TO WORSHIP ,POEPLE SHOULD GO BACK TO THEIR GODS 🤷♀️
AS FOR GODS THEY ARE HAVING A BALL,OF MASSES FROM EVERY CORNER OF EARTH JOINING THEM, AND NOTHING ELSE YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT,
1) Fuck Folkism.
2) This video was incredibly necessary. Thank you for going so deep into the historical links to the Nazi movements and how much McNallan and others were inspired by them. This is so often ignored by those who inherited these ideas due to the softening of rhetoric by master propagandists like McNallan.
3) The YSEE and other folkist orgs take so much of their sneaky rhetoric from the AFA. It's crazy how much exchange there has been between these abusive groups.
As a pagan and as a Haida, I'm proud to stand alongside you with the biggest middle finger we can possibly throw against these harmful beliefs.
Both of you have helped me out so Much, Hail to you Both! And Good on you for calling out Evil and Giving your Enemies no Peace! Heil the Aesir and Vanir!
Hi alikai
I have two things 1 I cannot get into your discoed and two your right fuck folkism
@@gryphonprovenzano3156 that's strange. No one else seems to be having that issue. Unless you've been previously banned the links seem to be working fine. We've had several new members come in today.
All I did was copy the link and it says the link is expired so idk
You might like the heathen history podcast
Frankly, I think Mcnallen style religious racism is much closer to what ancient paganism would have looked like, tribal Us and Them thinking being very natural to people around the world, but that is not the same as the nazi thinking that pops up nowadays. Being concerned about homosexuality and transsexuality is something that obviously is a result of existing in a culture dominated by secular woke ideas, such things would never have arisen thousands of years ago, neither could concern about genetics which required darwin to come first.
If "races" are now called "ethnicities" or "ethnic groups" it doesn't mean they're social constructs; it just means that we've changed our vocabulary and our meanings due to political reasons. Your examples just mean that throughout history there have been different understandings: as nationalities, as peoples, as tribes, etc., but it always boiled down to an understanding of a difference. This is not to justify discrimination, of course racism is always wrong. But "racism is wrong" does not equate to "ethnicities don't exist". They do exist, we just shouldn't discriminate on that basis of difference.
I have a substantial amount of Jewish, also much Baltic and Slavic blood, therefore way below 50% Germanic ancestry.
But Wodan has ever been the sole god, to not ignore me.
I prayed to Yahweh for over ten years and the prick never answered.
Therefore, I have no objections towards Judaism being treated in no manner other than being left to rot in the gutter, as Heathenry obviously is less racist... how ironic that is.
I think there can be a valid middle ground to the Folkish position. The Gods can choose whom they want to, but that's not carte blanche for anyone to impose themselves into a tradition. If we respect other indigenous traditions (Māori, Navajo, Yoruba, etc.) then it's only natural to ask for one's indigenous tradition to be respected in the same way. Can a Māori, Navajo, or Yoruba deity call a non-Māori, Navajo, or Yoruba person to their service? Yes. Should one impose oneself and say "I WANT TO worship the (Māori, Navajo, Yoruba) deities and you HAVE TO accept me"? NO. Hence, the middle ground.
First time ever saw this. laughed about the "White hand path." BTW. Judaism and a few others hold the same concept as what you defined. Even various indigenous native tribal cultures hold such beliefs. So let's not level it all on so called whitey.
Yes, but they don't promote the killing of people of color or queer people while using the faith as an excuse.
FOLKISM traditionally was a western reference to a closed spiritual or religious tradition that’s exclusive only to its native people to practice. There’s nothing wrong with native preservationists keeping their spiritual practice from being commercially farmed out to everyone whether these preservationists are african hoodoo or norse heathenry.
TRIBAL is essentially a tradition where one would have to be initiated or invited into it by its native practitioners.
UNIVERSAL traditions are a version of a religion or spiritual tradition open to all regardless of ethnicity, etc. Universal Asatru is one example available for anyone outside of northern european ancestry. I believe Hindu & Buddhism is the same (assuming some sects are probably folkish).
Folkists seem to forget that Indoeuropean gods have common roots. Tiwaz / Tyr is the same word as Jupiter, Zeus, Deus, and the Indian Dyaus Pitar. Donar is similar to Taranis. There might also be a link between Kali and Hel. Let‘s celebrate the richness of these legacies. And, btw, I am German and I don‘t think that Wotan will intervene. Windalf should, however, blow away the coronavirus, if he wants to be helpful. Bet he‘d do a better job than Mr. Copeland.
Yeah, .. great .. ideal, call/ summon .. both .. Kali & Hel at the same time.
First off you will only get one of their very minor astral avatar aids.
Gods are metamorphic energy fields charged with a given wave frequency that grow, shape, change and take on new identities over the centuries.
As a country boy I know what electric fences feel like and some of the Hindu deities give one hell of a pop.
And here I am arguing/ debating or whatever in German language root name/ words, .. Wotan, wOtan, VO'Tan.
Wo = what ever & who really knows.
Tan = hedge row of pine trees to shelter horses or herds from winter winds.
As a teenager I did my best in the early 1990's to track everything down I could in the public library regarding occult/ early religion history. Along with stone napping and smelting my own steel. " How did tribal folk heroes turn into gods over time."
Other than lacking horses and a bunch of farm animals, during summer months I lived outside in huts and lived as close to the ways stone/iron age people did. Yeah, I was trying to have a spiritual vision.
So did you have any luck with Wotan or Windalf, or did you just get lecture in a sterner way then what your grand parents normally do?
By the way, I am a descend from more than a few hundred year old military family whose charge was to maintain the forest lands and my great grand father was a officer for Germany during WW I. Just image the fist fights I had growing up in America with people wreaking my plants & circles. Please tell me you did not have to deal with religious harassment growing up.
Also known as the best kind of racism.
Stephan McNallen is right , He speaks the Truth ! Heil Woton .
How is he right in the slightest? He's just a wannabe-German Abrahamic in a Viking costume, all of the shit that the idiot blabbers is just Judeo-Christian beliefs repackaged, all of which are inherently insulting to the Gods.
This is why I avoid groups. Individuals are tough enough to deal with. Get them into groups and it's all and only about power, the siren song of the room temperature IQ.
I am happy to see this done.
Thank you for shooting me so much information so long ago in my baby pagan days. You kept me on the right path, and I thank you for it.
Really happy to see your channel growing! I subscribed yesterday and I’m pretty sure it showed 9k subs, one day later it’s at 10k+
How much you wanna bet McNallen is either ignorant of or outright denies the existence/validity of the Sami people?
Thank you for the video. McNallen is mostly too boring in his propaganda speeches, so people often just skip his outright Nazi sermons. It is good you made this point here. This is very dangerous and has to be addressed.
Dangerous to who?
@@thoughtfulcarnivore7657 Look if thats a serious question, you failed the most basic history classes..
@@grafdrakulaii7545 So beliefs are dangerous? I guess so are opinions to you huh?
@@thoughtfulcarnivore7657 People whom McNallen considers "other."
I was mistaken for a racist because of my Mjolnir Pendant. My girlfriend brought me over to meet her family, her brother took her aside to make sure she wasn't dating a Nazi.
Sounds like her brother isn't too bright and is prejudiced. Does he pull people to the side that wear crosses and ask them if they are in the KKK???or if they support the historical genocide they have committed??? I doubt it. Talk about low IQ and double standards
@@albertcook Thankfully a quick conversation cleared the confusion about it.
@@albertcook unfortunately, it's becoming a real concern.
Pegan imagry is something that is drawing fascists in a lot these days.
It's less personal for me, as I'm merely an atheist that appriciates this stuff from a secular perspective, but even I am finding myself careful in what contexts I show my enjoyment of the Norse pantheon and the tales around them lest I either be misunderstood or attract the attention of people I don't want to draw to me.
Ignorance is a universal component of the human experience. As long as it isn't deliberate or stubborn and handled with humility (such as pulling aside for a conversation instead of openly making bold accusations on insufficient information) we should seek to respond with respect when possible.
And if she was indeed dating a nazi? Would that meant your GF's family should force her to break up with you?
@@geogeo2299 I can only answer for myself, but if someone in my family decided that being a Nazi was a negotiable enough to date them, I would absolutely disown said family member.
Supporting genocide is not an acceptable difference of political oppinion and make no mistake, Nazism is, at least defacto, a conspiracy to commit genocide. Even ignoring that the victims would include people I love and eventually also myself, that's just not acceptable in any way.
Add in the personal, and families have historically frequently _killed_ each other for _far_ less.
So like how far back do the ancestors not count anymore? Cause we all come from a handful of humans who originated in Africa, like does mitochondrial Eve not count as our collective ancestor? Like at what point are we like "that's as far back as I care to look"
Watching the video for the 10th time or so rn and the sentence "Wotan, wether you think of him as a god or an archetype, will intervene" get's me every time. How can an archetype intervene? People can intervene, gods can too, but archetypes? That reification of archetypes is smth that has always anoyed me about ppl like Jung & Peterson etc.
Your username is accurate 😂
@@mumflrpumble9107 lol thanx
If you bring your own ancestors into your faith you might dissapoint them, but if you want to venerate my ancestors over yours then you're definitely a disappointment to your own.
So while I'm not condemning noneuropean worship of the gods I do think that consideration of your ancestors should factor into your choice. If you're still confident in this faith then I raise my glass to you and cheer for your journey.
All things related to life are downstream of biology. This is not a statement of preference, or hate, but rather fact. Your biological makeup forms how your brain works and therefore your mind. Yes, different races have many similarities but also many miniscule and not so minor differences. You can see how forcing different races together has a strain on culture as culture has biological roots. There is a similar result with religious strain as religion is also downstream from biology.
These are not statements of hate. Different breeds of dog behave differently, as do different races of similar birds. We can either recognize and embrace each other's traits or ignore them and deal with the strife that follows.
Imagine being a guy that is like “these Mexican gods like Huitzilopochtli haven’t contended with the likes of Wotan! Our god is stronger rah rah rah!” …well if we want to talk about power of mythological beings, Yahweh/Jesus stomped Wotan equally as equally as hard as Huitzilopochtli. If we are going by power of a god, I’m going to have to throw my lot in with Yahweh then 😂 disclaimer: this is a humorous shot at Stephen McNallen and people who think like him not directed at the beliefs of people who have chosen paganism as their religious practice nor is this an endorsement of Christianity or its historical actions. I’m an atheist 🙃
Wouldn’t this theory apply to every ethnocentric religion?
Technically yes, every religion has their own form of gatekeeping. The issue is that Religions such as Norse paganism were open to all types of people, not just those who were of Norse decent. What Folkist's are doing is destroying the core values and principals of the religion by gatekeeping the religion from anyone who isn't white and or Scandinavian.
@@aidenharvey3784 If a group of people do nothing to maintain what they have, they will lose it. If they practice race mixing they will lose the very essence of what makes them whom and what they are over time. If this is "gatekeeping" then I am all for it, otherwise we all end up as some faceless blob eventually, and the future people of these ancestors will look at photos and not even recognise themselves as being from those ancestors.
esp love the non scandinavian folkists, with their 5-10% Scandinavian DNA calling shit like ''MuH My AnCesTorS"
I see this in many Facebook Norse Pagan groups, more like "Muh My Ain'tCesTors!"
I am SO HAPPY to see this video. I have recently been exploring Viking lore and Nordic history and during the time I've spent exploring I've felt that drive or 'call' people talk about, to learn about the pantheons and spiritual practice. I'm an eclectic witch on my normal days but i've never had a path to really stick to or felt really drawn to like i've suddenly been drawn to Norse and Celtic paganism. My biggest fear exploring this further, however, was running into hate groups and neo-nazi propaganda or white supremist territory, things I don't agree with or believe in and feel strongly against, and the fear that the further I explored this path the more people would see me as part of these groups.
The deeper I dive into this the more people I meet who are NOT of these groups and they have helped me greatly to navigate through some of this madness and get to the proper sources where the right information can be found. I was recommended Ocean Keltoi by another pagan youtuber on here who praised his well spoken videos and this video specifically to really help me understand the modern history and what's been going on. This video was an eye opener, I'm so glad to have found and and I LOVE what it speaks about. It's a video I will be recommending in the future and I'll be sticking around the channel as well for further research. :)
Careful, Loki likes to thing he is funny from time to time.
All very compelling and interesting stuff. As a person interested in paganism and witchcraft, but not identifying with anything in particular (I'm still searching), I have seen this attitude frequently from several different angles. Particularly in Pinterest comment boxes on folk beliefs associated with different geographical areas and ethnicities. It is very common to see white people screaming at other white people for burning white sage as a folk religious practice, because that's ONLY allowed for people of North American aboriginal descent, and you are culturally appropriating the practice if you are not genetically related to those groups. Similarly, people make comments under posts on Voodoo magic like 'If your skin ain't melanated, STAY AWAY from these practices!' It's just important to note that this type of gatekeeping is all over the place in pagan/folk traditions of all kinds. It's not just white people doing it for so-called white culture. But it's funny to see the white savior attitude on behalf of non-white traditions 'defending' their 'right' to 'separately but equally' pursue their pagan beliefs and practices. Even if it has absolutely no basis in history or reality. I also want to observe about the ancient world and the practice of offering tribute to the local gods of the place you may be visiting. That was ubiquitous in ancient times, and highlights how truly diverse and open polytheistic society actually was. The notable exception to this is the Old Testament kings and prophets who absolutely REFUSED to offer any kind of polite veneration of the gods of other groups. Who were so antagonistic towards being told to offer tribute, that they fought wars over it. It's funny to see the Asatru people trying so hard to emulate this 'Odin requires exclusive devotion' rhetoric. That just sounds like their ascribing qualities of the Judeo-Christian Yaweh to Odin.
I'm pretty sure there's a "chosen people" from the Near East that are a larger and more accurate representation of "folkism" than most Heathens portray
"Judah", the son of Jacob...
Judah-ism
Not to mention "Israel" being the epithet of Jacob
And Zionism
And the Third Temple Movement...
Can folkism be positive?
Should folkism be reserved exclusively for Non-europeans?
Is folkism only bad if Europeans do it?
Is weird assume that the norse gods or nordic culture were only from Germany 😂
"The gods will call whom the gods will call." I want you read that phrase a few times over before going on, just to keep it in mind as you read the rest of what I have to say and understand that I firmly believe this idea that the gods are not limited in whom they deem necessary to have as followers at any given point in time.
I should probably warn you that when I was told I needed to learn brevity, I misunderstood and thought they said "levity" So you will find me long winded, but funny. Just don't judge my humor by that last joke.
That being said, here is my story. Back in the early 90's I came to be a follower of the Nordic gods. By 1995 I had encountered several others and we had formed a local Kindred. That summer one of the other leaders, my self, and our sponsor took a trip to Wisconsin to petition for our kindred to join the Asatru Alliance of Kindreds. On our way we encountered a vehicle with an "Odin Lives" bumper sticker on it. That particular sticker had been created by the Alliance and was sold through their quarterly magazine. We waited outside of the 7-11 we were stopped at to see who came to the vehicle. When the occupants returned we strode over and introduced ourselves, explaining how we recognized the bumper sticker. The owner of that vehicle turned out to be one Steven MacNallen. Jump forward a year to the next gathering that took place here in California in a place called Big Bear. At that gathering my Kindred brother and I had an opportunity to have several conversations with MacNallen. One conversation was on the similarities between the concepts of Hamingja and Chi ( by Kindred brother and I being well versed in eastern martial arts and between the three of us we concluded that they were the same concept, an idea that has been born out to me in subsequent reference books on the subject of life force energy.)
Before I go on I would like to make it clear that other than at gatherings and a few a few handwritten correspondences, I never had much contact with MacNallen, perhaps 15 or 20 days total in the 25+ years since we met and other than the conversation I am about to relate we did not much talk about the subject of race at all. I have never read any of his books nor watched any of his videos so you probably know more about him and his beliefs than I do.
Another conversation that he and I had was on the subject of ancestry and its connection to the gods. Specifically I was referring to the events in the Lay of Rig, which tells of how HemidallR came down to Earth in human guise and fathered the three classes of mankind, the Rulers, the Merchants, and the Servants. This of course led to a long conversation on the idea of Folkism and Metagenetics. The following is what I took away from that conversation. There is a connection between those of us of Germanic/Teutonic/Nordic ancestry and the gods. The same kind of connection exists between every other culture and the gods that they follow (until those gods and their worship was suppressed and nearly wiped out by the Christians). This means that whether you are German or Cherokee or a Masai tribesman you have an ancestral connection to your gods. What this means is that once you have broken free of the shackles of Christianity, the FIRST place you should look when seeking a religious/spiritual path to follow is that of your ancestors. This idea applies ACCROSS THE BOARD, regardless of what your ancestry is, the best place to start is with the beliefs and practices of those ancestors. For those like me who have a mixed ancestry, well we have more choice inn where to start and a broader base from which to launch that quest. let me repeat that last bit for those in the back of the class....for those like me who have a mixed ancestry, well, we have more choice in where to start and a broader bass from which to launch that quest. This connection to our ancestral deities is in no way intended to be exclusionary. it is simply a thing that exists on what is most likely a metaphysical level, although in cases where deities are believed to have actually mated with humans a literal genetic connection could be implied...or at least inferred. BUT, again this is by no means intended to be a line in the sand, or a separation any more than the fact that you have your family and I have mine is intended to be a separation that would prevent children of ours from working together, or being friends or marrying.
So folkism for me was an acknowledgement of a connection to the gods of ones ancestors but not a prohibitory idea that would prevent people who have connections to other gods from taking up the worship of Odin or Athena or Shiva. At least that was the take away I had from that conversation with MacNallen. When I expressed it to him it seemed to make him a bit uncomfortable, almost as though he either had never thought of the fact that this idea could be applied across the board, or he had and had hoped that no one else would come to that same conclusion.
I will point out here that my position on this issue tends to make everyone a little uncomfortable, some because I reject the racism that can be all too easily applied to the idea and others because my take is still too close the the idea put forth by racists for them to be comfortable with.
At the beginning of all of this I said "The gods will call whom the gods will call." I firmly believe that. If Odin wants a Cherokee poet in Valhalla, or Thor wants a Massai cattle herder in Bilskirnir, or Loki wants...okay so no one really cares what Loki wants...but you understand my point. It is not up to you, or I to question whom the gods call. So all in all that's my take on the whole thing. I can understand how Folkism as MacNallen understands it can and is used to promote a racial agenda, It saddens me that in 80 years we seem to have learned nothing.
Edred Thorsson wrote in "A book of Troth", while the AEsir are essentially the gods of the Teutonic peoples, others haver been sufficiently economically, culturally, financially or linguistically "Teutonicized" as to have a strong connection to the gods as well. I am, of course paraphrasing as I am too lazy to walk across the room to my bookshelf and get the book, but this paraphrase captures the essence of what he was saying, that more than just people of Teutonic ancestry can be followers of Asatru...as I said twice before..."The gods will call whom the gods will call."
Nicely written. .
I think this is a very fair interpretation and one I tend to agree with. Being of mixed Indian and English/German descent myself, I have incorporated both Hinduism and A-S paganism into my religious outlook. I feel a connection with both, probably from a combination of ancestral lineage and personal interest. I feel like any person breaking away from the Abrahamic religions should look into the faith of their ancestors first. However, whichever gods call you, they call you, and you should decide how to chart your spiritual journey without being locked in by any factor, racial or otherwise. Besides, so many people have mixed descent, including Europeans. For my English side, should I follow the Germanic gods or the Brythonic gods? I descend from followers of both. At some point you have to make a choice, and you can make that choice while still respecting and appreciating the gods of your ancestors that you don't incorporate into your day-to-day practices.
No, race is genetics and DNA, and these are facts, not social constructs!
Good job Ocean! As I tell people, especially when it comes to this folkish nonsense, it's the Gods who pick their followers not genetics. Put plainly," the Gods know who their children are!"
To say that Asatru springs from the genetics of the people suggests that the Gods come FROM the people which is absolutely delusional. Odin and the Gods complete exist, full stop.
Can I accurately assume that my comment will be deleted if I'm contrarian?
Why haven't you tried?
I personally feel that everyone benefits from following the path of their ancestors, and should try to incorporate those practices in their own spirituality. The gatekeeping and racism however are absolutely fucking unhinged 🤦♀️
Edit: this of course is completely unrelated to ACTUAL closed practices. 😊
The gods speak to the soul and the soul has no color
I found it interesting that you argue that limiting Wotan's domain to Europeans is not realistic because Wotan cannot be limited. Wrong, very wrong. All gods, of all religions, appear to have their limitations, in spite of claims of omnipotence. For instance, the God of the Christians has to struggle mightily against his nemesis, the Christian devil. He erred when he created the devil in the first place. Many of the legends and stories in the bible also admit to a lack of reach and omnipotence in God(s) power.
Also, Jesus Christ originally intended that the sect he founded would only be practiced by Jews in the promised land. Christianity would have stayed in Palestine but for the efforts of St. Paul, who bought his version of Christianity to the larger roman world.
I have Odin as my patron god, the dude made my blood BOIL.
The greatest allure that polytheism has is its inclusive not exclusive nature. Abrahamic religions are full of rules and structures to seperate such as "chosen people" and formal initiation practices like circumcision and baptism
I've met people who think black people can't worship pagan gods becuse they can't possibly have white ansesters. But mixed racial marrages and my own cousins who are halph white halph black debunk this and they are just as much desended from the celts as I am. People forgot mixed backgrounds exist and the fact you can be spiritually drawn to concepts that don't really reflect what ansesters we have. For example ancient faiths would constantly adopt stuff from other faiths. And for awhile I was pretty drawn to martial arts Wich come from Asia and as far as I know I have no asian decent but that doesn't mean I can't want to learn about there spirituality. People need to stop gatekeeping and let people explore.
i understand the video and even agree with it all, but i still want to use the word "folk" without it being racist so in my opinion we need to give this type of racism a new name so anyone and everyone can use the word folk without it being racist. one of the meanings could refer to the entirety of the heathen population (even if your skin color is black white brown green purple red blue etc.) im so tired of people giving words and symbols a bad reputation and meaning. people like that old dude i will treat like "the one with no name" make our religion and every one of its followers look bad. i will give the replacement word for folk raasauntru or rasist Asatru.
Was wolf supposed to have a related video? He's listed but there's nothin there lol
Yes, that's been fixed now. Link to his video is in the description.
@@OceanKeltoi thanks!
Ancestral veneration is apart of Norse paganism. So is Shinto and other ancient religious
That isn't enough to exclude people from them. Hel, my wife, a Native American Cree woman, is a Shintoist.
8:00 this dude is a joke. You can’t be in line with your soul and the universe and think this way it’s just not possible.
Wtf is wrong with him
This is what made me step back from heathenry. I was on web forums in the early 2000’s and just got too much of american.....i guess Asatru.
It even rubbed off on me leading to some cognitive dissonance that just got me....tired.
What ended up happening is that i bagan practicing ( and still do ) mainly in private, seldomly even speaking of it.
In Sweden it seems most heathens ( the ones i meet at least ) are nowhere near the concept of ”folkish” vs ”universalist” ( are these terms still used ? )
A gydja i know described American asatru as a ”related but different religion” .
The term ”forn sed” is often used here ( and that’s the one i use too ) to a more reconstructivist and folklore leaning heathenry.
I for the sake of argument told a friend ( an archeologist focused on Norse archeology ) that i almost had in mind formulating the idea and argument as a joke ,that only people who grew up in a Nordic country had access to the Norse Gods ( regardless of skin coulour etc ) because the culture, language and topography played in to even understanding or conncting to it.
We had a laugh about it since,ofcourse, that would be equally bonkers.
Sweden is a very ethnically homogenous country, thats the reason the concept doesnt exist because its essentially folkish by default.
Everyone has access to the Norse, Germanic gods etc, its just far more likely that if you have Germanic ancestry you will find them.
The main issue with McNallen is thers no need for exclusivity to be enforced, it generally enforces itself with self selection into the group.
The main argument for Folkish is the universalists embrace modern woke politics which actively undermines either traditional or reconstructivist faiths and beliefs
@@fritjofvalerijs800 Clarify this for me: Is belonging to a certain genetic group or bloodline required to be Folkish?
@@Frenchfrys17 That is one of them. To Folkist's/Nazis, you have to be white and or Scandinavian to be apart of Norse Paganism. What defeats their entire mindset is the majority of these nonjobs are American (though there are some Folkist's throughout Europe) with various degrees of Scandinavian ancestry, yet they go around thinking their "purebloods".
@@aidenharvey3784 My other critique is that I highly doubt the Norse/Vikings share the racialist or ethnocentric views that modern right wing neopagans have.
They travelled and settled to other areas and even brought back foreigners to their homelands time to time.
@@Frenchfrys17exactly!
18:47 “Who command a system of magic which alter the very strands of time” Source? The Gods are not all powerful. They are still beholden to örlög. Odin has to die during Ragnarök, he has no choice. No Galdur or even seidhr can alter this.
I feel like you missed the point of this video
I wonder what this guy would think of me; a black person of German descent?
Also, even though we are talking about beliefs not being ethnocentric, I still would suggest people who are not African American not practice voodoo, hoodoo, or other Caribbean practices. This isn't a god thing, you are communicating with the spirits of slaves and practitioners of the past, and they may not be all that nice to a random white person calling them up for a favor.
If it's something you really want to go into, make sure to talk to your local practitioner and ask what is right.
Good point!
Super dangerous character... Don't get me wrong i think anything you have a cultural connection to is something definitely worth perusing and should be encouraged because alot of things get lost over time, and its'sad to see that happen etc. But if it starts breeding this kind of hate, ignorance and exclusion then it's a blatant perversion of the faith and historical truth. This needs to be kept in check.
You are right Michael
As a dane i find it pretty rude that this Stephen mc-race-talk is using pictures of Holger Danske when speaking of Wotan
... Yes Holger Danske is "sleeping" and will acording, to legend awake to fight when Denmark is under threat... but I doubt the threat is going to be about race... We live together, many different type of people in what i would call multi-cultural society, and overall, DK is still pretty peacefull.
Holger Danske sleeps in the dungeons beneath the castle Kronborg. It is said that he has been asleep for so long that his beard has grown into the table in front of him. He is a legendary character, and (as far as I know) not based on a historical person.