Overview of Soviet Military Handguns: Nagant, Tokarev, Makarov

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    Today we are looking at an overview of Soviet military service sidearms. This begins with the Model 1895 Nagant revolver, inherited from the Czarist Russian Army. The Nagant was adopted as the standard Red Army handgun, specifically in double action. Soviet refitting led to single-action Nagant revolvers being extremely rare today. In the late 1920s, a development program for a new semiautomatic pistol was run, which resulted in adoption of the TT30 Tokarev. Refinement of the Tokarev led to the TT33, adopted in 1933 and entering significant production in late 1935.
    The Tokarev was considered a flawed pistol, and a new program in the late 1930s looked to replace it. A new design was chosen, but the German invasion in 1941 ended that project, and the Tokarev and Nagant would serve together through the end of World War Two. In the aftermath of the war, the Soviet Union adopted a wholly new suite of small arms. The new pistol was to be something lighter and handier, and with better safety features than the Tokarev. The PM Makarov was adopted to this end, and entered production in the early 1950s. It was used through the collapse of the Soviet Union, with a PMM (modernized) version unveiled in 1990, with a larger magazine. Eventually, the Russian Federation adopted the MP-443 Grach in 2003, a locker-breech 9x19mm pistol to replace the Makarovs.
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  • @ZGryphon
    @ZGryphon 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +336

    I have a double-action Nagant, and the 40,000-ton DA trigger pull makes Tsarist officers' concern that their men couldn't be trusted with the double-action version even more hilarious than it already would have been. It's hard work to make one of those things go off on _purpose,_ let alone by accident. :)

    • @Ailasher
      @Ailasher 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      "oncern that their men couldn't be trusted with the double-action version even more hilarious" Nope. It's not funny. At all. The Russian aristocracy, which obviously made decisions because Russia was an absolute monarchy with the broadest rights of the aristocracy, treated the commoners in much the same way as the white majority of US treated the black population at that time. Only there was no racial undertone, only a social one. "It is forbidden to enter with dogs and for lower ranks" - well known signs on a shops in St. Petersburg. Another reason why the Bolsheviks won.

    • @ZGryphon
      @ZGryphon 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

      @@Ailasher There is such a thing as _gallows_ humor, after all. A thing doesn't have to be pleasant to be funny.

    • @Ailasher
      @Ailasher 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@ZGryphon Point taken.

    • @GordonTurnerpark
      @GordonTurnerpark 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The only reason firearms like the Nagant revolver, Tokerav and even the Mosin Nagant soldiered on so long is because of the backwards nature of Communism.

    • @Zigfried207
      @Zigfried207 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Btw thats one of reasons why soviets gave everyone double-action I guess
      Ideologically, that makes sense

  • @billcook7285
    @billcook7285 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +303

    I remember in the 90s, when the Nagant revolvers were imported to the US. They practically gave them away. But you couldn't find ammo anywhere.

    • @tedmichas7709
      @tedmichas7709 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      When i bought mine there was a conversion cyclinder to 32acp

    • @billcook7285
      @billcook7285 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@tedmichas7709 I never saw that.

    • @donwyoming1936
      @donwyoming1936 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      They were about $60-$70 wholesale. You could get Fiocchi ammo back then for about $20-$30 box. By the late 90s, Russian military ammo had become available.

    • @billcook7285
      @billcook7285 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@donwyoming1936 I don't think I paid $60 for the pistol.

    • @jamesneufeld-b7e
      @jamesneufeld-b7e 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I had one back then. Didn't know that you can use various .32 revolver rounds.

  • @gameragodzilla
    @gameragodzilla 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +241

    Interesting how the Soviets went from a short recoil autoloader to a simple blowback, when most other countries went the opposite direction.

    • @WardenWolf
      @WardenWolf 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

      I think the Soviets had the right idea, though. In the post-WW2 era where everyone has 30+ round magazines in self-loading rifles, you're not going to be using your pistol nearly as often as in WW2 and before. It goes from being an important stopgap when caught reloading or being overrun to being something you'll only use in a rare dire emergency where probably no pistol will save you or in extremely tight environments, and for that the Makarov is perfectly suited. It's powerful enough, it's lightweight and compact, it's simple, it's reliable, and it's accurate. And it's extremely safe. How often have our soldiers actually had to use their M9? In how many of those occurrencesz would a Makarov been perfectly adequate? Probably at least 95% of them.

    • @gameragodzilla
      @gameragodzilla 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      @@WardenWolf Yeah, though even the Russians eventually adopted a double stack 9mm, so evidently the extra power and capacity eventually became relevant.

    • @gameragodzilla
      @gameragodzilla 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@nono-jj9rr Really really early on in the development of autoloading hanguns, so 1890's or 1900's. And yeah, eventually everyone went to some form of a short recoil locked breech pistol.

    • @justalurker3489
      @justalurker3489 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@nono-jj9rr I'm pretty sure that Belgium adopted the FN 1900 in .38 ACP before WWI, it looks like the Tokerev, but it's a straight blowback.

    • @Crazy_AK_Bear1077
      @Crazy_AK_Bear1077 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@WardenWolfWhen you mentioned the M9. I almost started laughing. In my 10 yrs, active duty, carried the same one for almost 9 of them. Every time I had an armorer tell me, 'Your safety/decocker is bad. It only decocks, doesn't go on safe. You can DA while it's indicating safe'. I'm going, Ok what's the problem? Just change the barrel, don't touch the internals. It works just fine when I need it. Never had a problem, with it in weapons qualifications. Let alone a shoot house.

  • @Hosenfuhrer
    @Hosenfuhrer 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +343

    7:30 Naturally, however, you absolutely shouldn't run 7.62 Tokarev in a Mauser broomhandle, thanks to the higher pressure. I've heard stories about Finnish troops that have destroyed some broomhandles by doing that, since the cartridge dimensions are practically identical.

    • @scottmccrea1873
      @scottmccrea1873 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      One would think that whichever cartridge came second would have been made in a way to readily distinguish it from the other if that's the case. But nope. Let fortune decide! said the engineer! Like the guys who designed the Pinto. "It won't happen _that_ often. We're good enough."

    • @martinswiney2192
      @martinswiney2192 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      So if a Finnish troop blows up a Broomhandle doe he become a Finish troop? 😂

    • @Hosenfuhrer
      @Hosenfuhrer 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Bob-qk2zg I have some hazy memory that there's an even hotter load for SMGs, but no idea how true that is.

    • @messmeister92
      @messmeister92 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@scottmccrea1873the Pinto reference is going to fly right past some folks, but those of us who understand are laughing our asses off 🤣

    • @mrdizzy678
      @mrdizzy678 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@scottmccrea1873they never saw the Gremlins coming.

  • @genericpersonx333
    @genericpersonx333 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +132

    Mind, the problem with the TT not shooting well through tank pistol-ports had some legitimate grounding. The Red Army paid very close attention to the performance of their tanks in the Spanish Civil War and infantry swarming tanks was a huge problem. Several times, Republican tankers were compelled to shoot the enemy off their tanks with small arms. This being a time when most tanks were still using flags and hand-signals to communicate, asking friendly tanks or infantry to hose down the problem was much more complicated than it would be later.

    • @cameronnewton7053
      @cameronnewton7053 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      Even at the start of WW2 the chronic lack of radio in Soviet tanks would still make it a legitimate issue.

    • @TiocfaidhArLa34
      @TiocfaidhArLa34 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      why not put some underfolder PPS43s in the tank for that? seems like it would not take up too much space to keep 2 or 3 of them in the tank with a couple mags a piece.

    • @stinkybuttrat
      @stinkybuttrat 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      ​@@TiocfaidhArLa34 what do you think the 43 stands for in that name?

    • @genericpersonx333
      @genericpersonx333 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      That would be partly because we are discussing thinking in the time period of 1936-1941 when there aren't folding SMGs like PPs43 yet in the Red Army inventory.
      That also doesn't solve the problem that even the best SMGs INSIDE the tank can't do much to hurt bad guys outside the tank without opening a hatch, which is when the bad guys put nasty things through said hatch.
      The actual solution was always just improve the coordination of tanks with infantry so the tanks didn't have bad people crawling all over them in the first place, but you would be surprised how many militaries even in 1939 were convinced that tanks and infantry shouldn't stick very close together, even the nations that had "infantry support" as a primary mission for their tanks!
      1936-1941 was a very wacky time to be a tanker.
      @@TiocfaidhArLa34

  • @25xxfrostxx
    @25xxfrostxx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +235

    I have a Smith and Wesson No. 3 in .44 Russian. Odd part is, my great uncle got it from a Japanese officer at Iwo Jima. Our guess is, it was a pickup all the way back in the early 1900s by someone and it kicked around Japan for 40 years or so.

    • @samuelprice2461
      @samuelprice2461 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

      Actually not an unheard of story at all. The Imperial Japanese government used the No. 3 Russian as their standard issue sidearm for a number of years in the late 1800s. Many of them hung around for a long time.

    • @BryanJohnson4891
      @BryanJohnson4891 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +111

      Russian officer has no. 3 in 1905
      Goes over to Port Arthur
      Jap officer takes it as a trophy
      Gives it to his son/grandson
      They bring it to Ieo Jima
      You end up with it
      2025 Mars war
      Martian space command officer kills you
      Takes it
      2,000 Light years from Terra, year 40,000
      Horus kills an imperial guard officer
      Picks up his No. 3
      Thinks “Huh reloading this is gonna be a nightmare”

    • @Montycat78
      @Montycat78 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Very nice of that Japanese officer to give him the S&W. Hope they stayed in touch 😊

    • @25xxfrostxx
      @25xxfrostxx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@Montycat78 He felt that he had no further use for it. One of his friends also gave him a raw silk battle flag that I held onto as well. Quite a generous people. The flag even came with free DNA spots on it.

    • @causewaykayak
      @causewaykayak 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thats a really neat way to tell a fascinating story 👍🏼

  • @robertrobert7924
    @robertrobert7924 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Since I own these pistols (except for the last one) it was really interesting to review their history with Ian and morning coffee. Thanks Ian.

  • @DmitryKandiner
    @DmitryKandiner 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +94

    Two points: PM stands for Пистолет Макарова, transliterated as "Pistolet Makarova", - Makarov's Pistol (note that there is no "n" there). Also, it seems that the APS (Stechkin's Automatic Pistol) somehow escaped this overview.

    • @Horgler
      @Horgler 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      The APS wasn’t really a standard Soviet sidearm like these were. Maybe if he gets access to more specialized handguns like the PB and PSS he’ll do a part 2.

    • @alexeytsybyshev9459
      @alexeytsybyshev9459 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Yankee doodle went to town
      On a little pony
      He stuck a pistol on his belt
      And called it "Makarovni"

    • @Saren-yc1rk
      @Saren-yc1rk 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      APS was a really niche gun, that also no one actually liked for how huge and heavy it is for a pistol, and awkward to to shoot for a submachine gun.
      Much more of a flop than TT-33.

  • @paleoph6168
    @paleoph6168 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +292

    Ah yes, the Soviet standard sidearm trinity: Nagant, Tokarev, and Makarov.

    • @greycatturtle7132
      @greycatturtle7132 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      😂

    • @MrQwerman
      @MrQwerman 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      А стечкин?

    • @Dellloga
      @Dellloga 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      😇 🙏

    • @doc43souls74
      @doc43souls74 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@MrQwerman Тут скорее всего обсуждаются общевойсковые пистолеты, или даже пистолеты конкретно для пехоты, в то время как Стечкин создавался с изначальной целью вооружения только офицеров, сержантов, солдат некоторых конкретных специальностей и для экипажей боевых машин, которым не полагался карабин или ПП.

    • @sonnysantana5454
      @sonnysantana5454 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      and the stechkin pistol

  • @el_wumberino
    @el_wumberino 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Dear Ian,
    To me the most enjoyable parts of your videos are always the historical facts.
    Your profund knowledge, your love for details, your passionate and very likeable presentations are fascinating-and, my goodness, it’s all ad-lib!
    I lift my hat in greatest respect to you.
    Keep up the good work, mate!

  • @ZekeAxel
    @ZekeAxel 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    6:57 - The C96 Mauser is like, the iconic Russian Civil War pistol you'd see in movies.

    • @BlipperOfRays
      @BlipperOfRays 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Exactly. And it was immortalized in Vladimir Mayakovsky's "The Left March": "Ваше слово, товарищ Маузер".

    • @nunyabidniz2868
      @nunyabidniz2868 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hence "Bolo" for the short-barreled C96 model favored by the Bolsheviks... Also why the 7.62 Tok was adopted, since it's basically just a higher-pressure variant of the 7.62 Mauser they already knew & loved!

    • @alcedob.5850
      @alcedob.5850 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @danijelovskikanal7017to be fair, it only could appear in the final years of the 'Wild' West. It was imported in the US in 1901 as far as I am aware. I've seen information that Texas rangers bought some in 1902 but couldn't find the primary source (it was supposed to be photo of cpt. Brooks of Brownsville, TX). However, the gun appeared in some westerns. I can definitely remember it in Corbucci's 'Il Grande Silenzio'

  • @AlexN2022
    @AlexN2022 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Ian, please do a video on Russian pistols after Makarov. You already did PSM, but I'm sure there's more to say if it's put in context.

  • @FoxtrotFleet
    @FoxtrotFleet 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I hope Ian will do something similar with all the Walther PP/Makarov clones of the Warsaw Pact. I can't find any comprehensive video or series of videos comprising of them all. I find those little double action compact .32/.380/9mmMak clones quite fascinating!

  • @me.ne.frego.
    @me.ne.frego. 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    A video about the origins of the gas-seal system including the Pieper and García Reynoso revolver would be awesome.

  • @th3mrmeeseeks277
    @th3mrmeeseeks277 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I love Ian and forgotten weapons, but $50 for a mug is too much.

  • @Rickster621
    @Rickster621 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    I think that even if it wasn't Soviet era, the SR1MP pistol program is really cool. And should be covered here.

    • @greycatturtle7132
      @greycatturtle7132 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yea

    • @yochaiwyss3843
      @yochaiwyss3843 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      I read it as "shrimp"

    • @napatora
      @napatora 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@yochaiwyss3843glad i wasn't the only one

    • @napatora
      @napatora 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      "i carried the shrimp when i was in the red army"

    • @greycatturtle7132
      @greycatturtle7132 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@yochaiwyss3843 xD its a good name

  • @RichardBlaine-e2y
    @RichardBlaine-e2y 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you very much for this interesting history lesson and the context of each new model

  • @IWatchedWhat
    @IWatchedWhat 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have a post war 1947 Soviet TT33 and I love it, mine is a non import pistol. The person I inherited it from brought it home in a duffel. Years ago there was a guy in Canada that made muzzle brakes for them, I have one on mine and I use it in out IDPA shoots sometimes just to keep in practice with it.

  • @mikemoore4033
    @mikemoore4033 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    That pistol in the middle may have had a lot of problems, but it sure is pretty.

    • @garan111
      @garan111 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They copied the look from Browning 1903. But on the Tokarev the trigger group is removable with no tools

  • @Ashcrash82
    @Ashcrash82 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I happened to stumble onto an 1895 Nagant that is indeed still single action only. Unfortunately, it is a mix-master of parts so really doesn't have much value. It has a sideplate the the Peter the Great mark (dated 1913), but doesn't have the serial number where it should be on the frame. There are also a few small parts in it marked with the Tula star, which I believe dates them to the later 1920s.

  • @rotwang2000
    @rotwang2000 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Ian did forget the Podbyrin 9.2mm, the most powerful handgun ever made.

    • @doc43souls74
      @doc43souls74 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      lmao

    • @actionjksn
      @actionjksn 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      500 S&W Magnum is the most powerful in the world.

    • @ChibabaDave
      @ChibabaDave 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The guy whonwrote that line must know about firearms.

    • @rotwang2000
      @rotwang2000 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@actionjksn Incorrect comrade, please check the most excellent documentary "Red Heat" about an average Soviet Militsiya officer using the Podbryn 9.2mm doing routine police work in USSR and you will discover performance far exceeds that of capitalist inferior revolver technology comrade.

  • @causewaykayak
    @causewaykayak 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Usual great production - packed with interest. Thank you.

  • @Vin_San
    @Vin_San 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for the video
    I like this new format of retrospective in small arm of a certain category or country.
    Thus video look very like the interview you made with the Russian expert in handgun ammo, but, more condensed, more clear, we can read the complete script, it's nice.
    (although, maybe put this old video in description?)
    (as a not native English speaker, but with a good enough level, this is easier to get the info and setting in mind than an a hour long webcall/interview (both are valuable and the longer video with this sir have its pros))

  • @davehopkins6291
    @davehopkins6291 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I had a doublestack mak just like that one years ago. Sweet little shooters.

  • @d.b.1176
    @d.b.1176 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I wish I got a Nagant pistol back when they were $99 😢

  • @ryantyson2008
    @ryantyson2008 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love those old Soviet guns! Great video Ian!

  • @DSlyde
    @DSlyde 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    9:08 does anyone have a name or any details about this ultimately unsuccessful replacement pistol? I'd love to read more about it.

    • @gilmour6754
      @gilmour6754 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah I'm also super curious about this! I've never heard that they wanted to replace the tt-33 before ww2.

    • @Alemikkola
      @Alemikkola 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Leaving a comment to get notified when someone comes up with the answer.

    • @X_Voidhawk_X
      @X_Voidhawk_X 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      am really curious aswell, does anyone know?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Voevodin

    • @doc43souls74
      @doc43souls74 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      A really kinda nice gun, even got made a bit (from 500 to 1500 pistols were already made by the time of German invasion), yet sadly the invasion started and the factories weren't re-tooled for the production of Voevodin pistol.

  • @silverjohn6037
    @silverjohn6037 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    7:00 Please don't think you can do the reverse and use a Russian 7.62 Tokarev round in a C 96 Mauser though. I had a friend who lost an eye firing 7.62 out of a C 96 Mauser and having the action blow back in his face.

  • @tsarfox3462
    @tsarfox3462 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Soviet system of adoption makes a lot of sense for the time as does the American one. America was already heavily industrialized so they had plants ready to receive a design and spit it out. The Soviets were still industrializing and building up factories so they basically planned a factory to make a gun and when the factory was done, the adopted gun was ready for mass production.

  • @DoubleyouCeeGee
    @DoubleyouCeeGee 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    What pistol was chosen to replace the TT pre-WW2 before being scrapped?

  • @72polara
    @72polara 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Nagant gas seal does an excellent job of keeping fouling out of the action. Would have been great with black powder; the cylinder wouldn't bind with fouling.

  • @ndreyfimcev7486
    @ndreyfimcev7486 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    PM was also a police standard pistol, i think that is one of the reason was to have less powerful pistol then TT.

    • @doc43souls74
      @doc43souls74 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Don't think so, as it was made for the competition of handguns for the high command of the USSR army.

  • @alexeysaphonov232
    @alexeysaphonov232 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    It could expended back into Russian Empire with S&W model 3 and Galland. In sovjet segment there are also Stechkin, PSM, PB. In sport segment there is also Korowin and e.g. toz-35.

    • @Naamah-Az
      @Naamah-Az 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stechkin APS/APB?

    • @alexeysaphonov232
      @alexeysaphonov232 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Naamah-Az Automatitscheskiy Pistolet Stechkina (APS aka Stechkin's Automatic Pistol). (Automatitscheskiy) Pistolet Besshumniy (A)PB (aka [autmatic] silanced pistol).

  • @ComradeCole
    @ComradeCole 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    "When we want to shoot our own guys, we'll do it on purpose, not by accident!" - some Soviet Officer, probably.

  • @KaDaJxClonE
    @KaDaJxClonE 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Using Cyrillic letters to spell things in English must be super confusing for eastern Europeans. I can only imagine how long they try to decipher what nonsense is being offered to them before they realize it's just English.

    • @petergasic7805
      @petergasic7805 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It takes a second of peripheral cofusion seeing "ф" used an an "o", but it isn't too bad.

    • @TrulyGodsGoofiest
      @TrulyGodsGoofiest 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      It's not really hard or confusing, it's just stupid lol.

  • @kalin6149
    @kalin6149 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    No offense ian, but whoever decided that a cleaning mat for 49.99$ with a meme on it as the only way to enter was a terrible decision. At 30$ id think about it, but not 50$ + S&H.

  • @AlexN2022
    @AlexN2022 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Nagant revolver lends itself to being suppressed. Which makes its history more interesting

    • @gunsforevery1
      @gunsforevery1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is there any history of them being suppressed on a scale that matters? I believe that’s only a modern western thing that’s sometimes done.

    • @AlexN2022
      @AlexN2022 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gunsforevery1 I believe it was used suppressed by the NKVD. I'm sure it wasn't at any scale that would matter, but it's still pretty cool as a piece of history

    • @Tu11iy
      @Tu11iy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@gunsforevery1a couple thousand were made before and during WW2. Developed since 1929. Special subsonic cartridge too. They basically made it all work and it saw limited use in spec ops and with partisans, but was largely forgotten after WW2.

    • @Tu11iy
      @Tu11iy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@gunsforevery1the name of the suppressor and cartridge system is БраМит - Братья Митины (Mityn brothers - named after the engineers who designed it, like all soviet small arms of the period).

    • @gunsforevery1
      @gunsforevery1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Tu11iy 7.62x38 is already subsonic. Its super underpowered.

  • @andrewrife6253
    @andrewrife6253 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    The nagant revolver has the absolute heaviest, worst trigger I've ever pulled. I've joked that the scene in enemy at the gates where the Russian officer is shooting soldiers jumping from the boat during the river crossing with a nagant is the least accurate part of the movie since the officer is easily pulling the trigger with any sort of accuracy.

    • @wheelguns4wheelmen802
      @wheelguns4wheelmen802 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Totally agree. But with practice you can get decent accuracy, especially with the 7.62 Nagant cartridge. I have a video on my channel of me shooting one six times from 40 yards landing like 3 or 4 shots on a standard sticky cartridge.

  • @manicmachinegun6253
    @manicmachinegun6253 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The double action of the nagant revolver is stupid heavy I don't know how you would accidentally be able to pull it 😂

  • @peterwright217
    @peterwright217 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    so, how many firearms have you had on this brilliant and informative show. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @timclark2628
    @timclark2628 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for that information I have an older Makarov the last one at the end at the right

  • @johnharder5618
    @johnharder5618 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interesting video
    I had a Makarov for a short while
    It shot 100% reliable and even shot decent groups
    But it had a 20+ trigger pull
    There was also a issue with the chamber that might have been by design or a flaw
    As the chamber had a slight flare right at the end of the case mouth
    I didn't have a gauge to measure it
    But it was maybe a .001 or .0015 flare all the way around the chamber
    With Steel cased ammo I never had problems
    But with brass cased ammo it still worked , but the slide seemed to be slower cycling

  • @bosef1
    @bosef1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Obligatory reference to exceptional caliber of Soviet Yunyun.

  • @MrGunnerru
    @MrGunnerru 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Seriously cool video!!!! Thank you.

  • @tonimartinez4419
    @tonimartinez4419 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Stechkin APS is missing there

  • @quaest
    @quaest 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Now I'm curious what they were planning to replace the TT with

    • @doc43souls74
      @doc43souls74 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      1939's Voevodin pistol

    • @quaest
      @quaest 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, never heard of it!@@doc43souls74

  • @stanislav_skorobogatov
    @stanislav_skorobogatov 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    PM is not quite "Pistol Makarovna", but I appreciate the effort

  • @Suger5zero
    @Suger5zero 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Tokerav is my favorite pistol

  • @GeneralIkaika
    @GeneralIkaika 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Gotta love how he deliberately said 'accidently shot' when talking about the Tokarev.

  • @Clipgatherer
    @Clipgatherer 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Maybe the famous Soviet “pistol wavers” of World War II were merely holding their Tokarev pistols aloft for security reasons. 😊

  • @jimsmith5148
    @jimsmith5148 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    “Makarova” - invented by Makarov. “Makarovna” - daughter of Makar. 😂

  • @madmit2007
    @madmit2007 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I could be wrong but that Nagant is the only revolver which was silenced, and it makes sense.

  • @joeinmi8671
    @joeinmi8671 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I even had a ND with a TT. Luckily no harm or damage was done because your firearm should always be pointed in a safe direction.

  • @Ryan-T-Hart
    @Ryan-T-Hart 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, thank you & have a great holiday!

  • @chartreux1532
    @chartreux1532 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Great Video as always! As a German and European i always wondered why Soviet Weapons are not as common in the USA as they are all over Europe.
    I assume because we of course were right at the Border with the Soviet Union and of course after that all the former Soviet occupied Countries joined Europe and of course let's not forget the Yugoslav/Balkan and Kosovo War.
    Has there also been some sort of Import Ban in the USA from Countries that were under the Soviet Umbrella? It's crazy how common some Guns are here (including Soviet Versions) compared to the USA.
    Would appreciate if someone can chime in because if i google about why they are common here but more rare in the USA, thanks to the current Geopolitical Situation and Google Algorithm i only get Results about which European Countries send which Weapons to Ukraine.

    • @robertmao9390
      @robertmao9390 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What Soviet weapons specifically do you mean, and what time period are we talking about?
      Post USSR collapse all the way until about 2014, Soviet surplus weapons were quite common. The "first gun" for many poors was a refurbed Mosin-Nagant 91/30 which could be had for as little as $69.95 with sling, bayonet, and accessory kit. Mosin rifles from Hungary, Romania, Poland, etc. were also quite plentiful. What changed all this price wise was dwindling stockpiles left to sent here plus the Ukraine War causing bans on imports of Russian stuff.

    • @davidhansen5067
      @davidhansen5067 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Anecdotally, it's not Soviet surplus that's scarce here, it's Russian surplus.

    • @chartreux1532
      @chartreux1532 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidhansen5067
      So Soviet Russian Surplus is common in the US but not post-Soviet Russian Surplus?

    • @chartreux1532
      @chartreux1532 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robertmao9390
      Thanks for sharing that. So basically Soviet Era Firearms that are Soviet Versions are rare but all the other Versions from the Countries under their Umbrella is rather common?
      Here i feel both are common, Soviet Russian a bit less but still cheaper than in the USA apparently, which is why i wondered

    • @davidhansen5067
      @davidhansen5067 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@chartreux1532 No, I should have been more clear. Soviet Russian surplus, at least from the post-WW2 period, is anecdotally scarce. Surplus from other Soviet Bloc countries, and time periods, seems to be far less scarce.

  • @aslaniane
    @aslaniane 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How come TK Korovin never made the list? It was the first Soviet produced semi-automatic handgun. It wasn't adopted by the military, but it doesn't specifically stated in the video that it will cover only militarily adopted sidearms. And what about Stechkin/ APS?

    • @Dominic1962
      @Dominic1962 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Probably because he doesn’t have either sitting around?

    • @aslaniane
      @aslaniane 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Dominic1962 he did reviews for both of them. Might have been a good thing to at least mention both handguns in this video. )

    • @Dominic1962
      @Dominic1962 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@aslaniane I mean, even though he didn’t come out and explicitly say it, I figured he meant general issue. Neither the TK or APS were such so I really didn’t expect either of them. 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @lanceuppercut1845
    @lanceuppercut1845 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I missed the content… Ian is the man…

  • @herknorth8691
    @herknorth8691 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I used to live at an apartment where my neighbor had some sort of Makarov. We went shooting one time and the first shot I took through that thing drove the rear of the slide into my hand hard enough to give me two big blood blisters. I guess I was holding it too high? Never had that happen with anything else, even Glocks, which people seem to get slide bite from pretty regularly.

  • @Vin_San
    @Vin_San 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In this new format, I would love so much to have on the same table a lot of French weird guns (and we're proud of them 😂) with Chauchat, RSC, the weird SMGs, the AA-52 and so on.
    Now your French is fine (and French are better in English), I hope you'll be able, like, to present, like this video, but in the Museum des Invalides (main French army museum)!
    Also, collection of "Kraut Space Magic, 1898 to 2018" with kirkie German(ic) guns (German+Austrian+germanic Swiss like SIG)
    Or a collection on Belgian firearm from their "golden age".

  • @stephenbond1990
    @stephenbond1990 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Do you have any information on the pistol design that was being considered to replace the TT in 1941?

  • @stefanosiclari
    @stefanosiclari 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +898

    Please Ian, don't write in "russian" like that in the thumbnail... For the sake of all of us who can read cyrillic 😂

    • @tutzdesYT
      @tutzdesYT 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +152

      I can read cyrillic and find it funny. It is not as funny as passport in Bourne movie, but funny nonetheless.

    • @azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401
      @azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      What about the modern Russian pistol Mp443 Grach

    • @kot0472
      @kot0472 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

      For the sake of all English/US people who want to show off that they know cyrlic that much. Only you have problem with this. :V

    • @stefanosiclari
      @stefanosiclari 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      @@tutzdesYT I find it funny as well. If you want a really good one, watch "The Death of Stalin" when in the opening he looks at the political prisoners' lists...

    • @BasedBelkan8492
      @BasedBelkan8492 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      ah yes the doidld tyatsmr

  • @cptbronzebeard7667
    @cptbronzebeard7667 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The video is kind of missing APS (Automatic Pistol (of) Stechkin) if it's about military handguns, though it's adoption was not as widespread.
    The set of handguns from the video would be (as far as I'm aware of) a spot on if the video was called "Soviet _Police_ handguns"

  • @rambie2131
    @rambie2131 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    getting my mp446 and tt-30 out, ive been waiting for this vid XD

  • @derpherbert3199
    @derpherbert3199 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The indent on the wall next to Ian's left ear made me wipe my screen

  • @CthulhuZscar
    @CthulhuZscar 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this video. Im only missing a Nagant revolver to complete my Soviet pistol collection.

  • @Kreozot2D
    @Kreozot2D 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Using Ф as a replacement of O is so painful to see on this preview

    • @Kreozot2D
      @Kreozot2D 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Usiиg sфviэt phфпt just fфя sakэ фf a sфviэt-thэmэd pяэviэш

  • @nonyabiz9487
    @nonyabiz9487 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Russian firearms are often laughed at however in my eyes they are actually pretty good and inovative. That Nagant revolver was very innovative even to this day there is no revolvers that seals the gases like that. Also the Tokarev was ahead of its time especially with the modular components that we are only seeing in militarys now. THe Makarov was also ahead of its time being one of the first concealable semi autos like the Walthers.

  • @ArmeVechi
    @ArmeVechi 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    funny thing: yesterday i was at the local police office (Romania) and one of the officers there had a Makarov at his belt

    • @lardomcfarty9866
      @lardomcfarty9866 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There are a lot of ppk clones in .32 acp here as well.

    • @alcedob.5850
      @alcedob.5850 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've seen a ton of them in Bulgarian Police. I guess it just works well enough. Police in Europe rarely ever use their guns

  • @donwyoming1936
    @donwyoming1936 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Neither the 7.62 Nagant, nor 7.62 Tokarev, have the same bullet diameter as the 7.62X54R Mosin-Nagant.
    7.62 Nagant .308"
    7.62 Tokarev .309"
    7.62X54R .311"
    I load all 3, and they definitely use different diameter projectiles. 🤠

  • @enigmaticdesires8158
    @enigmaticdesires8158 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have the PMM verient..The Baikal 442. It's my EDC. Only, mine has a standard western style mag release behind the trigger.

  • @anaxis
    @anaxis 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What was the Tokarev was going to be replaced with, prior to the German invasion, that didn't have a reciprocating slide?

  • @aj5748
    @aj5748 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just in time for my Metro 2033 replay. Thanks, comrade!

  • @viceconsulimhotepienenobed1573
    @viceconsulimhotepienenobed1573 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Why isn't there an APS there ? Considered a PDW more than a PA (automatic pistol in french) ?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It's a PDW.

    • @viceconsulimhotepienenobed1573
      @viceconsulimhotepienenobed1573 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ForgottenWeapons thanks. Do you have a video on what a PDW is exactly ? I tend to consider it's not a real category (PDW are always SBR, SMG or PA)

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      th-cam.com/video/hJdv5uTtFJ8/w-d-xo.html

  • @valvlad3176
    @valvlad3176 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    07:50 you are good in that! Tokarev does have problems - how do you know that? Man you are good in that, keep it.

  • @Outlaw_Deadman1996
    @Outlaw_Deadman1996 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    After watching this it makes me wonder if they took the Stretchkin APS and got rid of the full auto feature, the Soviets would have a pretty damn good replacement to the Makarov

    • @ВячеславФролов-д7я
      @ВячеславФролов-д7я 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thing is, Makarov wasn't a military only pistol. It was (and is) the main police sidearm, and it is way better than the aps for the police use, considering its safety, compact size, and the fact that there's no way the usual police officer can get into a serious firefight in the Russia/ussr

  • @jacobmccandles1767
    @jacobmccandles1767 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As someone who carried one for two years, the Tokarev's biggest problem is that it is glacially SLOW to draw and fire.

    • @trooperdgb9722
      @trooperdgb9722 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Given the style of holsters used by all military forces at the time one suspect a "fast draw" was not even a consideration! LOL

    • @jacobmccandles1767
      @jacobmccandles1767 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@trooperdgb9722 tona certainty, yes.
      The pistol itself is hard to thumb cock, and dangerous to carry cocked and....well, you can't

  • @volhv1973
    @volhv1973 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You forgot about APS - Stechkin automatic pistol

  • @Deathunter761
    @Deathunter761 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The tank friendly pistol was the Fedorov 1938. By looking at the picture it looks like the same concept as with the Walther P38 : the spring is held in the grip and the rear protrusion is longer. I don't think it's tilting barrel, it's likely a linear recoil like the Walther (could be a rotating barrel).

  • @tiortedrootsky
    @tiortedrootsky 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    12:7 Makarovna persists!

  • @roman_sudneko
    @roman_sudneko 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hey, how about PK? I mean "pistolet korovina".

  • @jameswhitaker1324
    @jameswhitaker1324 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My understanding was that the gas seal on the nagant was valued specifically for firing from a port in an armored vehicle because it didn’t leak combustion gases inside the vehicle. I doubt if that was the reason it was developed (I don’t know if that problem even existed in 1895) but I remember that it was liked for that reason. It could also be suppressed, and I understand there were some suppressor for it, but I don’t think that was common at all. They are very accurate, at least mine was. The double action approaches useless and I always assumed that was because the cartridge mouth has to be belled open between the chamber and the forcing cone and that is easier to accomplish with your thumb on the hammer than with your trigger finger.

    • @Fred_the_1996
      @Fred_the_1996 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The device was the брамит i think, the silencer could also be used with mosins as long as low pressure subsonic ammo was used

  • @АндрейШмырев-ж3з
    @АндрейШмырев-ж3з 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Каждая вещь была хороша в свой отрезок времени!🧐

  • @benjaminhenegar291
    @benjaminhenegar291 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ian please do a video on the rsh-12 revolver

  • @SvenElven
    @SvenElven 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should have some kind of sound or short jingle over your title card IMO, I always think I'm on mute when starting a vid 😅

  • @garryb374
    @garryb374 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice overview but where are the other pistols? Stechkin, PSM, PB, MSP, S4M, PSS, SPP-1. Or how about a video on post Soviet Russian pistols?

  • @JohanKlein
    @JohanKlein 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can understand why there's no mention of PB or PSM although they were produced not in tiny numbers. But why no mention of Stechkin?

  • @danielwordsworth1843
    @danielwordsworth1843 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sad Stechkin is so rarely mentioned, its the most interesting of them all!
    tho, it was made for PDW role rather than carry pistol

  • @ile2038
    @ile2038 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Funny that ian said "let's get something we're noy going to shoot our own guys with" and processed to go toward the Markov

  • @ATH_Berkshire
    @ATH_Berkshire 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your camera really wasn’t having a good day when this video was shot.

  • @mansooranwarkhan
    @mansooranwarkhan 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Tried to enroll for this makarov but I think only restricted for US residents

  • @Roddy556
    @Roddy556 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    9:54 Despite this requirement Soviets would continue to shoot other Soviets with pistols, although under slightly different circumstances.

  • @usamaizm
    @usamaizm 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In Darra Adam Khel, Pakistan 🇵🇰 they make TT30/TT33 clones called Thees Bore which translates to 30 Bore in English.

  • @aeroblitzt9561
    @aeroblitzt9561 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Anyone know what gun Ian was referring to when he was talking about the tokarev's replacement just before operation barbarossa?

    • @doc43souls74
      @doc43souls74 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Voevodin pistol

  • @valvlad3176
    @valvlad3176 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    14:36 Makarov was good in hands. Sleek, easy to handle, fast to shoot. When your life is on the line, it means smth. Everything.

    • @TiocfaidhArLa34
      @TiocfaidhArLa34 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i just think that 9x18 is a bit underpowered.

  • @Locutus494
    @Locutus494 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What's with the 720p quality? TH-cam shenanigans again?

  • @KaerRid
    @KaerRid 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Single action is not because safety problems, that's bullshit, but because of ammo economy(rate of fire, and slow reload, every shot must be accurate), and because in case of revolt officer must have advantage before line soldiers.

  • @praporbarton3961
    @praporbarton3961 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "let's get something we arent going to shopt pur own guys with"
    *NKVD laughter*

  • @artspb
    @artspb 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is it only me who's bothered by the stress? Pistolét Makárova. It should be the second syllable (second "a"), not the first one. I mean, it's not a big deal. And the content is very cool. I enjoyed all the recent videos on PM(M). But still, it's kinda the name I grew up with, and it sounded different back in Russia.

  • @Joe-ve9xz
    @Joe-ve9xz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ah yes the, “shut up and get in the van” classics

  • @randylahey2923
    @randylahey2923 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ian plz do the MP-443 pistol if you ever have a chance to