It's clearly because so many osu! players are just heavily invested in digital art, but then surprise themselves by accidentally becoming tablet players
@@PnRv1125 you start playing with a mouse in A position on the mousepad, mid-map it ends up on the B position thus making it uncomfortable to continue playing in the B position
To the new players who get mouse drift it's simply an issue of your lack of skill 9/10 times don't splash out on a tablet when at the end of the day you still won't hit those circles and you'll probably quit before you truly reap the rewards, play at least for a year imo before buying a tablet.
I understand where you’re coming from, but I’ve played some very space maps and I literally start playing with my mouse 90 DEGREES TO THE LEFT, my mouse has literally rotated where going up is moving left, it’s difficult when ur a low sens player Haha to my replies, sorry for a bit of misunderstanding but I do know how to counter it, I've already learnt to fix my mouse in a fraction of a second during even slightly less intense parts of a song, I'm fine really Edit: to future readers, I got myself a tablet and had a drastic short term improvement. I definitely prefer tablet. Ty
@@caieerouxdder just look how Gurbzy plays and deals with mouse drift and say that again. You can most likely counter mouse drift if you lear how. (Assuming you have desk space your current problem is just a skill issue :D)
I bought a tablet last year 2 months after I started to play osu. I switched back to mouse like 8 months ago and I doubt imma go back to tablet. seeing top mouse players is hella inspiring for me since the majority use tablet, and it makes me wanna get better
There might be a way to kill mouse drift with the proper hardware. There is what is called kalman filters in the field of control systems theory, where you can use 2 or more sensors and blend them together to get optimal sensor readings. One very common use of this coupling system is to blend the data of a very reliable and quick sensor that has drift with the data of a very slow and noisy one that does not drift to get a better sensor reading. Might be worth looking into!
Thank you so much for explaining the Ouendan and Elite Beat Agents games. I first played those games and then found out about osu in 2010. I remember being a little kid and my family wasn't about to buy me a tablet just so I could tap circles, so I had no choice but to start off with mouse. I couldn't aim for shit, and I eventually forgot about the game completely. Eventually in my teenage years I decided to try osu again and I played with mouse for a while. Years before that, my mom got a Wacom tablet for her birthday that she never used, so when I started playing osu more often, I asked her if I could use it and she just gave it to me. I tried to use it to play osu only to realize that I aimed just as bad as I did with mouse. The only reason why I didn't switch back was because I wanted the Ouendan/EBA feel. That's why I still get confused when I see current new players wanting a tablet immediately despite not knowing about the existence of the mentioned DS games that osu is based off of.
I never understood the complaints about mouse drift. For me, mouse drift was simply a signal that a map was out of my skill range. Once I got more comfortable around that skill range, it basically disappeared. Mouse drift was very apparent on maps that were way out of my league so this signal was very helpful in seeing what I could aim comfortably or not. I later switched to tablet because my hand would cramp so badly using mouse, it hurt. Another reason why I stuck with tablet is because my movement felt more fluid as if I was drawing which felt more natural. Keep in mind tho, I tried switching to tablet 3 times. 2 of them resulting in failed attempts that made me just stick with mouse cause it felt better. But now I'm a tablet main. Switching to tablet brought numerous problems for me tho. Such as constant loss of grip and pressing on the pen too hard with my thumb that made it to numb often. The grip is the most inconvenient especially when your fingers just choose a day to be sweaty. I guess for most players the inconvenience of mouse drift supercedes the inconvenience of pen grip. As for me, tablet included a more natural movement that I liked. However I could never escape the chains of mouse because I do drag on tablet. I need friction and I can never understand how some tablet players hover lol
mouse drift is annoying for me coz I have an approx 30x20cm area to place my mouse. I use very high dpi so it isn't a problem on tv sized or 2min maps. but when songs get longer i.e. 3-5min and don't have a break in between. I just can't help but see my mouse just slip off from my hand by the end. Ig I need to learn how to microadjust but its so annoying even tho I'm perfectly fine with the same or even slightly higher difficulty on smaller maps
@@theomnivert hold your mouse but put you pinky finger down on the mouse pad (2-2.50x mouse sensitivity) to lock you mouse from moving all over the place. In simpler terms put only your pinky finger on the mouse pad and the rest of your hand to hold the mouse you can only move your mouse so much so that's why need 2x mouse sensitivity This my style of mouse grip :D
Personally mouse drift didn’t seem to affect me too much while using the Razer Viper Mini, but I hated the cord and a good wireless mouse is more expensive than a good tablet so I just went with a tablet.
@@9core I have tried a mouse bungee and still had problems with the cord, additionally all of those mice are the same price as the 472 which is one of the best tablets out there. I find tablet to be significantly more comfortable than mouse and I don’t think I’ll ever go back to mouse.
@@chadolosu i must disagree, the g305 is a perfectly fine mouse, unless you don't like the shape or the size, it does everything you expect it to do. even compared to the g pro superlight, its not that bad.
@@Jiixi it needs batteries, which is already a huge minus. It’s also known to be unreliable and die randomly, with alot of the mice having some hardware issue after only a year
just got back to playing osu again after 2 years. i played with the mouse for about 2 weeks, i can aim fine with it and able to get high acc on short 6* maps. but i changed to tablet again because i cant really get comfortable with the mouse grip, which make me hard to play longer 6* maps that have no break at all.. switched back to tablet and it only took me 2-3 days to adjust and find a comfortable pen grip.. also because i saw someone listed cth 480 for $30 and i immediately bought the tablet lol
I think as you get better at osu! On mouse it becomes really easy to doubt whether or not you should switch, chances are that after a slight learning curve you'll be as good If not better, but it's also sad considering the hours of commitment and dedication you put into overcoming your input device
Honestly, i switched to tablet for a few reasons, but the main reason is that my hand used to hurt a lot when I played with mouse, i also had to adjust my grip in the middle of any map that was longer than 30 seconds. Now because of my grip with pen my fingers still hurt but nowhere near to when I used to play with mouse. The final reason I think is also because every top player uses a tablet and I'm pretty sure it had an impact in my decision but is not the main reason.
@Antonio Vivoran honestly, I can't tell you exactly the sensitivity I used to play with because I switched to tablet in 2020, however, I remember in game i used around 1.65 and the sensitivity of the mouse i don't know because it was like a 3 dollar mouse so is not like I could adjust its sensitivity xd. I think the pain may have been because I played moving my wrist and my fingers a lot, not only my arm. The mouse was also a pretty small mouse so it may had contributed to the pain I felt while playing but I'm not completely sure. It also may be just my playstlyle because to this day I still feel a little bit of pain on the right hand but is very manageable even in long maps so I definetly stick to my tablet. Hopefully I gave a little inside to my experience with mouse :)
@Antonio Vivoran Honestly, I agree with everything you said xD I know I use too much pressure to hold the pen, but if I don't do that I can't aim properly, I also use a very small area, but is because I can't get used to moving my hand when playing with tablet, also, is not like the pain is horrible, it disappears when I play osu for just a couple of days so I don't see it as a real problem
@Antonio Vivoran I guess I'll try to not tense up while playing, maybe I also make my area bigger to force myself to move my arm rather than mostly my fingers. And about adding me on osu that sounds good to me, my username in osu is the sameone I use here
I agree with you so much on the spinner part. I just got my tablet today and realized how much faster you can spin. In that aspect, I do think tablet is better. I do think its way harder to find which position is most comfortable for me when it comes to using a tablet though.
One thing that I've always thought is that since your average tablet pen is lighter than your average mouse, it's a lot easier to move around quickly and precisely. Back when I played mouse, I could never get over 300RPM on spinners, but now that I play tablet, less than 300 is slow to me.
I originally switched to tablet because I had trouble griping my mouse well enough, but tablet had it's own issues for me and at some point I decided to try mouse again and I had somehow worked out how to grip it right, and it felt way better than tablet so I use that now.
when you use a mouse on high sens its feels hard to control but higher sens on pen is more controllable and since everyone uses pens/pencils it would be familiar for many.
I inherited my tablet (the holy wacom intuos cth 480). I still absolutely hate using it. I love the weight of a mouse, and the smoothness and stability it brings.
I probably will switch from a mouse to a tablet if only the hover distance is larger (maybe it's varied from tablet to tablet? Idk), I found that using my pinky as an anchor makes it really easy to aim, the only problem is I can't maintain the hover distance to not go off the range... So I will stay as a mouse player for now...
@@filo11111 stop acting like NyanPotato, Andros, fancy lad, Arnold, azr8, and fiery aren't better than 99.9% of all tablet players who have ever touched this game. it is preference
@@JosiahCS Bad strawman argument. No one claimed that you can't reach a high level with mouse, but it is self evident that it is easier with tablets. As said in the video, almost 90% of top 100 is tablet players, people don't waste their money on tablets out of preference, but because they are objectively better.
@@sam2725 the argument that tablet is better for most players is true, but the skill of top mouse players is way too high for you to act like its not preference. these players are setting scores that are among the best scores in the game per every individual skillset, and Arnold and fancy lad in particular have had some incredible tournament runs against the best players in the world.
@@JosiahCS Was Oscar Pistorius not one of the best athletes of our time, despite not having legs? Fgsky held the pp record despite playing on a pillow, are you claiming that using a pillow or a table is also preference?
I'm left handed but i still use the mouse with my right hand, although I don't mind using the mouse with my right hand, it still feels slightly uncomfortable aiming with my least dominant hand. That's why i swapped to tablet, it feels way better to aim with my left hand than right and my aim became more consistent. The absolute positioning that tablets offers is just an added bonus.
hah, actually same, except I aimed with my right hand till I hit around 4k pp. I then realized that I couldn't improve due to aim, so I swapped hands. After learning to tap I immediately got to 4 digits. Later I learned to use the mouse with my left too.
I used a mouth (i wrote "mouth" instead of "mouse" and im leaving it like this) for more than a year. I had a tablet at home, but i never wanted to make a switch. ON THE DAY that i decided to try the tablet i got so much better at the game! My aim was instantly better and somehow my keyboard hand was much more accurate and agile, i swear. I was very amazed by this. Mouse is cooler, more practical and impressive, but a tablet is easier, more fun, at least in my opinion. (Later, i bought a mechanical keyboard, hoping to get instantly better again. I got worse, it took some time to get used to it xD )
i had to buy a tablet because when i do long periods of osu! with my mouse the right part of my hand begins to hurt so much so that i had to stop playing for a few hours just to play osu! again
my answer is: maybe u wont ran out of mousepad space cuz mouse is like a huge lego block with a sensor in the middle with a ratio of 1:12. while a stylus pen have a ratio of 1:1.2 cuz the stylus pen is as thin as a branch
As player who has been playing mouse since the start, I've never experienced mouse drift. My only complain about my mouse playstyle is that the grip hurts like shit, and destroys my finger.
@@pizza4267 same lol. but i have to grip my mouse very hard, so they leave a red mark for awhile after a 2+ hours session. And this pain is no joke that after playing a few weeks, i have to take 1-3 days break to heal
that 'certain point of skill' is about 40h of mouse gameplay. Though its actually less about skill and more about the way you hold the mouse and the way you move the mouse. Certain styles will have far less drift
they way i think about why tablet is so popular is because for a person to be dedicated enough to buy a whole tablet just for a game, that person gonna be really good at the game because of the dedication therefore there are better chance that a good player is playing with tablet but then tablet became affordable enough so newer player just see that pattern of good player play tablet so they too play with tablet which incentivise the next newer player to also play with tablet
if i didn't switch to tablet, I wouldn't even play the game anymore. Why? When i played with mouse, my grip got worse and worse everyday. It ended up as i held my mouse in a ~60° angle and my pinky rubbing on my mousepad in a very uncomfortable way. I made the choice to switch to a tablet, which i got used to it as quickly as FlyingTuna and also fix my normal mouse grip.
Speaking from experience, I stuck to mouse for 3 years but eventually got tired of it: no, it is not because of mouse drift (this is especially the case for high sensitivity players.) Players can adapt to mouse drift unconsciously after playing for a while. The problem rather lies on firstly, the fact that one would have to spend more money on a decent mouse setup than on a tablet one, and secondly, how a small and thin tablet pen is obviously more flexible and mobile than a bigger gaming mouse (ultra-lightweight mice are an option but they are *so much more* expensive.)
I got one at like 75hrs (100now) but i did because i got a good opurtunity and i also wanted to draw (but month after getting it i still havent drawn much cuz im fucking lazy and have no motivation)
bro i have a tablet as i am an artist but whenever i attempted to use it to aim it just goes straight to the top left corner of the screen and stays there.
Awesome you can use a tablet. Feels much more like Elite Beat Agents. Would be nice to have it all on one screen, until then the game still isn't as fun or good as EBA. I want to move the pen with the circles, on one machine, like the DS. One day. Until then, I'll stick with SM/ITG/DDR.
I started playing the game like 2 months ago and a couple weeks back, i bought a tablet. i just wanted to see, how it feels to play on it tbh. Saw one on amazon for like 40 bucks and was like, eh whatever, might aswell try it. I thought, that buying extra gear this early into the game might be overkill, but, then again, i don't stand anything to lose, other than a little bit of money. I have to say, after playing a bunch with the tablet, it genuinly feels better to play on compared to mouse, for me anyway. I don't know, if im actually better on tablet or not, but, lets be real, im new so of course im still bad at the game currently, no matter what input device. But it certainly feels nicer to play with, it feels snappier and faster. Mouse feels kind of sluggish and less precise in comparision. Of course, all of that is just personal experience, i suppose it's different for each person. I have no idea, if there is any benefit for me in using a tablet over a mouse, but it certainly makes the game more enjoyable for me.
As a mouse player, I would absolutely play tablet if I could. I can't speak for all mouse players but I know that alot of us play it because tablet is too uncomfortable and causes pain in the wrist. I played tablet for about 2 years before being forced to switch to mouse because of uncomfort and pain and I really miss being able to play with absolute positioning and not having to deal with the friction of my entire arm when I play
You just perfectlt described what happens with me,the friction of my whole arm is just so uncomfortable and my mouse is heavy as well which makes it even worse
I sometimes switch to mouse when playing somewhere else and i honestly do not notice much of tablet being easier i do notice the mouse drift slightly, it's annoying but not game breaking or skill limiting. Tablet for me has some annoyances as well like grip problems (aim just not feeling right, you'll know what i mean if you play tablet) and wrist strain for the manly grip havers like me.
I had a tablet so I tried because everyone told me I was weird for using mouse 5-6 years later and I still use my good ol mouse I can’t play with a tablet
By the way, the majority of the osu community uses a mouse, it’s way more accessible than a tablet and most of the time in any game the most accessible way to play is going to be the way the majority plays. For any mouse player out there, I’d say absolutely try a tablet but also realize you aren’t gonna have a flyingtuna breakthrough with it, it’s a lot more down to preference than people realize. I think a lot of people think having a tablet is just an inherent advantage when it’s really not you can get as far as you want with a mouse
I agree with you that most player use mouse if we are talking about the general player base, but I'd say 90% players that have been playing activity for like a year or half use tablet.
I never used a mouse for 20 years of my life so for me it was skill issue. If you used a mouse on your computer for games or even navigating the internet pretty much half of ur life you will not have this skill issue. A tablet for me was the best choice because I lacked muscle memory with the mouse but I been writing on paper for school etc pretty much all my life. Choosing the tablet was the choice for me.
I feel like this is the main factor for which is easier. I hardly use a pencil anymore but use mouse all the time. I won't be trying tablet for awhile though.
@@zandy1569 well, I played for almost 2 years with mouse only, having a substantial FPS background. Then I lost interest in osu for like 3 years. Bought cheapest Wacom tablet for drawing, decided to try osu on it. After couple of months or so I was able to pass maps that was out of reach for me for a long time. That is a huge motivation boost, you should try to find little things that illustrate your progress. Also pen grip is probably healthier for human being, since extensive mouse use without excercises leads to a tunnel syndrome and aches
My main issue with this is that it's heavily influenced by bias. People jump to conclusions too quickly. How are people supposed to tell which playstyle fits them best without rigorous testing?
tbh having absolute positioning cursor was my dream ever sinse i used mouse for the first time when i was a child but i thought such thing doesnt exist. turning off acceleration and things did make a huge diference and osu made me figure out that this is not just a dream but something that really exists. other than that i never played tablet and cant say shit but i do hate using mouse it also made me figure out how this cursor movement is called but who cares about that
I'll admit that I've always been a horrible osu players, mouse of tablet. Tablet did help me get a lot of map S(S), but my decision to get a tablet was really an odd one. I bought a tablet for school work, then discovered that people used tablets to play. As a lot of my school's text related work was still hand written (until 8th grade when we all got iPads), it was a really simple switch from "academic" mode to playing. It was also a matter of getting carpal tunnel in my right hand from using the mouse.
There is no way you look at the top player tablet playrate statistics and just go "it's still a matter of preference guys". Tablet is just an objectively better plastyle and there is so much evidence on it yet people still try to sugarcoat it and reject the truth.
@@pikameme3322 That is not even the reason man pls use your eyes and hands and go take a quick search on what is the difference between tablet and mouse and then come back and type stupid shit like this.
I use a tablet because I first started by playing Osu!stream on ios. It was kinda boring, ngl, so I moved to computer. Since I am more used to using iPad, I did a sort of screen-mirroring thing to try to play Osu! on my iPad. Too much lag lmao, but since I had a drawing tablet next to me I took it out. I tried my mouse first though, I, uh, couldn’t click nor move so fast with my mouse flying around, thus I changed to the tablet. It was ten times easier XD. My skill still kinda suck tho, but using a tablet is just easier.
Mouse drift, yeah that's why I move to Tablet after 3 years, in the course of me playing Osu nonstop since 2017, in three years I never really got myself improved with mouse other than passing some long stream map cuz I'm left handed and that alone also cause some damage to my hands... Moving to tablets unlocks my actual potential that I've never really got, in 2021 I did get myself some potential of passing some 7* map, but I quit cause I lose interest... When cookiezi plays often again, it's where I return to Osu again, I'm still trying to derusting, but honestly I'm killing my old top score the more I play right now... Although the transition from mouse to tablet will also putting me a downside of me unable to play stream map due to me being left handed, I can still do short burst, although again, it took me many months of constantly tapping with my right fingers, and it's not even funny... But in all honesty, I'm glad I'm leaving Mouse and move to Tablet Pen, because I swear to god, I rather have a stable aim and capable of doing flow aim than having myself able to stream long map.
Playing with my big ass fingers on Android. I have a pretty good pc and have much more hours on mouse and keyboard than on phone, yet, it felt so much easier for me instantly, while for friends it seemed harder. This whole thing about tablet or mouse or anything else... It's just a mater of preference in the end, just try what you like.
Newbie here, but as a drummer you get more from the wrist than the entire arm. Same with guitar, etc.. it’s all in the wrist. And the. If you use wrist and arm together- you’ll be a god haha. Personally I got a small tablet cause the mouse is too heavy for me..
I enjoyed playing on mouse but as I played more and more and neared 5 digit I stopped simply farming TV size and shorter maps and started playing longer maps and noticed how much mouse drift affected me so I got a tablet
It's clearly because so many osu! players are just heavily invested in digital art, but then surprise themselves by accidentally becoming tablet players
this happened to me actually
@@teovinokur9362 kinda happened to me in a way, but My sister loves drawing and does 2d animation so it was available
Is this sarcasm?
@@davidg3475 nah bro there's no /s that means it's completely serious! just like how people say "slash S" irl to show they're being sarcastic
I use a mouse for digital art since my phone had been bouken for months
I felt like you tried your hardest not to offend anyone, and ended up saying nothing interesting or noteworthy the whole video.
Yeah kinda felt the same way
Thank you willy, not many people cover this topic. Straight to the point, interesting, and gives some history behind the use of tablets.
1 word, mouse drift
I know it isn’t 1 word it’s a joke
I'm gonna say it...
It
can ya explain what it actually means ?
Actually that’s two words 🤓
@@PnRv1125 you start playing with a mouse in A position on the mousepad, mid-map it ends up on the B position thus making it uncomfortable to continue playing in the B position
To the new players who get mouse drift it's simply an issue of your lack of skill 9/10 times don't splash out on a tablet when at the end of the day you still won't hit those circles and you'll probably quit before you truly reap the rewards, play at least for a year imo before buying a tablet.
As someone who has inherited the holy wacom intuos s cth-480, I still prefer a mouse.
Most accurate explanation (exception is if you have the money then there's no reason not to atleast try tablet)
I understand where you’re coming from, but I’ve played some very space maps and I literally start playing with my mouse 90 DEGREES TO THE LEFT, my mouse has literally rotated where going up is moving left, it’s difficult when ur a low sens player
Haha to my replies, sorry for a bit of misunderstanding but I do know how to counter it, I've already learnt to fix my mouse in a fraction of a second during even slightly less intense parts of a song, I'm fine really
Edit: to future readers, I got myself a tablet and had a drastic short term improvement. I definitely prefer tablet. Ty
@@caieerouxdder just look how Gurbzy plays and deals with mouse drift and say that again. You can most likely counter mouse drift if you lear how. (Assuming you have desk space your current problem is just a skill issue :D)
@@caieerouxdder I noticed Less mouse drift on lower sens for me. When I played 400 dpi I used arm only and I hardly expirenced any mouse drift
I bought a tablet last year 2 months after I started to play osu. I switched back to mouse like 8 months ago and I doubt imma go back to tablet. seeing top mouse players is hella inspiring for me since the majority use tablet, and it makes me wanna get better
cause cookiezi use tablet, end of discussion
agreed, I only inherited a wacom intuos s cth-480 because of our lord and savior cookiezi
interesting thing to note is that the 10-15% of the top 100 being mouse players statistic hasn't really changed for as long as i've been around
There might be a way to kill mouse drift with the proper hardware.
There is what is called kalman filters in the field of control systems theory, where you can use 2 or more sensors and blend them together to get optimal sensor readings.
One very common use of this coupling system is to blend the data of a very reliable and quick sensor that has drift with the data of a very slow and noisy one that does not drift to get a better sensor reading.
Might be worth looking into!
Wtf, I didn't know I will read about my major's subject in youtube comments, let alone under osu video... I'm genuinely impressed
sounds cool
Thank you so much for explaining the Ouendan and Elite Beat Agents games.
I first played those games and then found out about osu in 2010. I remember being a little kid and my family wasn't about to buy me a tablet just so I could tap circles, so I had no choice but to start off with mouse. I couldn't aim for shit, and I eventually forgot about the game completely.
Eventually in my teenage years I decided to try osu again and I played with mouse for a while. Years before that, my mom got a Wacom tablet for her birthday that she never used, so when I started playing osu more often, I asked her if I could use it and she just gave it to me.
I tried to use it to play osu only to realize that I aimed just as bad as I did with mouse. The only reason why I didn't switch back was because I wanted the Ouendan/EBA feel.
That's why I still get confused when I see current new players wanting a tablet immediately despite not knowing about the existence of the mentioned DS games that osu is based off of.
I never understood the complaints about mouse drift. For me, mouse drift was simply a signal that a map was out of my skill range. Once I got more comfortable around that skill range, it basically disappeared. Mouse drift was very apparent on maps that were way out of my league so this signal was very helpful in seeing what I could aim comfortably or not.
I later switched to tablet because my hand would cramp so badly using mouse, it hurt. Another reason why I stuck with tablet is because my movement felt more fluid as if I was drawing which felt more natural. Keep in mind tho, I tried switching to tablet 3 times. 2 of them resulting in failed attempts that made me just stick with mouse cause it felt better. But now I'm a tablet main.
Switching to tablet brought numerous problems for me tho. Such as constant loss of grip and pressing on the pen too hard with my thumb that made it to numb often. The grip is the most inconvenient especially when your fingers just choose a day to be sweaty.
I guess for most players the inconvenience of mouse drift supercedes the inconvenience of pen grip.
As for me, tablet included a more natural movement that I liked. However I could never escape the chains of mouse because I do drag on tablet. I need friction and I can never understand how some tablet players hover lol
mouse drift is annoying for me coz I have an approx 30x20cm area to place my mouse. I use very high dpi so it isn't a problem on tv sized or 2min maps. but when songs get longer i.e. 3-5min and don't have a break in between. I just can't help but see my mouse just slip off from my hand by the end.
Ig I need to learn how to microadjust but its so annoying even tho I'm perfectly fine with the same or even slightly higher difficulty on smaller maps
It just depends on your grip many players dont get mouse drift because they are used to a good grip
@@guywithhair4362 what's a good grip?
@@theomnivert hold your mouse but put you pinky finger down on the mouse pad (2-2.50x mouse sensitivity) to lock you mouse from moving all over the place. In simpler terms put only your pinky finger on the mouse pad and the rest of your hand to hold the mouse you can only move your mouse so much so that's why need 2x mouse sensitivity
This my style of mouse grip :D
@@theomnivert its basically a grip which is easy to use and holds the mouse perfectly in place at all time.
Personally mouse drift didn’t seem to affect me too much while using the Razer Viper Mini, but I hated the cord and a good wireless mouse is more expensive than a good tablet so I just went with a tablet.
orochi v2, delux m800 or g305 can be pretty cheap or you can paracord your rvm.
@@dannyjak3427 the 305 is not a good wireless mouse lmao
@@9core I have tried a mouse bungee and still had problems with the cord, additionally all of those mice are the same price as the 472 which is one of the best tablets out there. I find tablet to be significantly more comfortable than mouse and I don’t think I’ll ever go back to mouse.
@@chadolosu i must disagree, the g305 is a perfectly fine mouse, unless you don't like the shape or the size, it does everything you expect it to do.
even compared to the g pro superlight, its not that bad.
@@Jiixi it needs batteries, which is already a huge minus. It’s also known to be unreliable and die randomly, with alot of the mice having some hardware issue after only a year
just got back to playing osu again after 2 years. i played with the mouse for about 2 weeks, i can aim fine with it and able to get high acc on short 6* maps. but i changed to tablet again because i cant really get comfortable with the mouse grip, which make me hard to play longer 6* maps that have no break at all..
switched back to tablet and it only took me 2-3 days to adjust and find a comfortable pen grip.. also because i saw someone listed cth 480 for $30 and i immediately bought the tablet lol
where did u find a 480 for 30$ please link lmao
how do you hold it???
I think as you get better at osu! On mouse it becomes really easy to doubt whether or not you should switch, chances are that after a slight learning curve you'll be as good If not better, but it's also sad considering the hours of commitment and dedication you put into overcoming your input device
Honestly, i switched to tablet for a few reasons, but the main reason is that my hand used to hurt a lot when I played with mouse, i also had to adjust my grip in the middle of any map that was longer than 30 seconds. Now because of my grip with pen my fingers still hurt but nowhere near to when I used to play with mouse. The final reason I think is also because every top player uses a tablet and I'm pretty sure it had an impact in my decision but is not the main reason.
@Antonio Vivoran honestly, I can't tell you exactly the sensitivity I used to play with because I switched to tablet in 2020, however, I remember in game i used around 1.65 and the sensitivity of the mouse i don't know because it was like a 3 dollar mouse so is not like I could adjust its sensitivity xd. I think the pain may have been because I played moving my wrist and my fingers a lot, not only my arm. The mouse was also a pretty small mouse so it may had contributed to the pain I felt while playing but I'm not completely sure. It also may be just my playstlyle because to this day I still feel a little bit of pain on the right hand but is very manageable even in long maps so I definetly stick to my tablet. Hopefully I gave a little inside to my experience with mouse :)
@Antonio Vivoran Honestly, I agree with everything you said xD
I know I use too much pressure to hold the pen, but if I don't do that I can't aim properly, I also use a very small area, but is because I can't get used to moving my hand when playing with tablet, also, is not like the pain is horrible, it disappears when I play osu for just a couple of days so I don't see it as a real problem
@Antonio Vivoran I guess I'll try to not tense up while playing, maybe I also make my area bigger to force myself to move my arm rather than mostly my fingers. And about adding me on osu that sounds good to me, my username in osu is the sameone I use here
@Antonio Vivoran nice, whats your username?
I switched to tablet not because of mouse drift, but because I hate washing my mousepad every single week because of some spots being slow
if it wasnt for my tablet wearing out in 2 weeks every time i change my surface area i would probably still be using it
just hover 4head
the major problems i have with playing mouse is i get tired after huge jumps on a 3 minute map, and its way harder to spin fast with a spinner.
I agree with you so much on the spinner part. I just got my tablet today and realized how much faster you can spin. In that aspect, I do think tablet is better. I do think its way harder to find which position is most comfortable for me when it comes to using a tablet though.
I cant count the amount of times my mouse fell off my table during an fc
that's impressive holding an fc in that situation😂
One thing that I've always thought is that since your average tablet pen is lighter than your average mouse, it's a lot easier to move around quickly and precisely. Back when I played mouse, I could never get over 300RPM on spinners, but now that I play tablet, less than 300 is slow to me.
After roughly 10 months of playing my mouse started to feel weightless.
@@hubutnotsotao5362 I think that's about how long I played mouse for.
I originally switched to tablet because I had trouble griping my mouse well enough, but tablet had it's own issues for me and at some point I decided to try mouse again and I had somehow worked out how to grip it right, and it felt way better than tablet so I use that now.
This sentence doesn't flow very well but I'm too lazy to make it better
I was really hoping you were just going to say "mouse drift" at the start of the video and then the rest is just 4 minutes of black screen
when you use a mouse on high sens its feels hard to control but higher sens on pen is more controllable and since everyone uses pens/pencils it would be familiar for many.
I inherited my tablet (the holy wacom intuos cth 480). I still absolutely hate using it. I love the weight of a mouse, and the smoothness and stability it brings.
I've switched 3 tablets throughout my OSU playtime. Still use mouse, I just like it more
I probably will switch from a mouse to a tablet if only the hover distance is larger (maybe it's varied from tablet to tablet? Idk), I found that using my pinky as an anchor makes it really easy to aim, the only problem is I can't maintain the hover distance to not go off the range... So I will stay as a mouse player for now...
Bought my tablet before playing osu for art but then remembered you can play games with it💀
It is not purely preference, stop with the copium
Fucking facts bro. This vid is just a dose of hopium for 6 digits that refuse to buy a tablet.
@@filo11111 stop acting like NyanPotato, Andros, fancy lad, Arnold, azr8, and fiery aren't better than 99.9% of all tablet players who have ever touched this game. it is preference
@@JosiahCS Bad strawman argument. No one claimed that you can't reach a high level with mouse, but it is self evident that it is easier with tablets.
As said in the video, almost 90% of top 100 is tablet players, people don't waste their money on tablets out of preference, but because they are objectively better.
@@sam2725 the argument that tablet is better for most players is true, but the skill of top mouse players is way too high for you to act like its not preference. these players are setting scores that are among the best scores in the game per every individual skillset, and Arnold and fancy lad in particular have had some incredible tournament runs against the best players in the world.
@@JosiahCS Was Oscar Pistorius not one of the best athletes of our time, despite not having legs?
Fgsky held the pp record despite playing on a pillow, are you claiming that using a pillow or a table is also preference?
I'm left handed but i still use the mouse with my right hand, although I don't mind using the mouse with my right hand, it still feels slightly uncomfortable aiming with my least dominant hand. That's why i swapped to tablet, it feels way better to aim with my left hand than right and my aim became more consistent.
The absolute positioning that tablets offers is just an added bonus.
hah, actually same, except I aimed with my right hand till I hit around 4k pp. I then realized that I couldn't improve due to aim, so I swapped hands. After learning to tap I immediately got to 4 digits. Later I learned to use the mouse with my left too.
after only a month the friend that introduced me to the game bought and shipped a tablet to my place
1:25 is efficency the ranked score as a perfentage to the max they could possibly have with the amount of maps they have played?
I used a mouth (i wrote "mouth" instead of "mouse" and im leaving it like this) for more than a year. I had a tablet at home, but i never wanted to make a switch. ON THE DAY that i decided to try the tablet i got so much better at the game! My aim was instantly better and somehow my keyboard hand was much more accurate and agile, i swear. I was very amazed by this.
Mouse is cooler, more practical and impressive, but a tablet is easier, more fun, at least in my opinion.
(Later, i bought a mechanical keyboard, hoping to get instantly better again. I got worse, it took some time to get used to it xD )
i had to buy a tablet because when i do long periods of osu! with my mouse the right part of my hand begins to hurt so much so that i had to stop playing for a few hours just to play osu! again
it doesnt necessarily mean mouse is bad tho
my answer is:
maybe u wont ran out of mousepad space cuz mouse is like a huge lego block with a sensor in the middle with a ratio of 1:12.
while a stylus pen have a ratio of 1:1.2 cuz the stylus pen is as thin as a branch
I see a lot of people complaining about mouse drift but when you get to certain point of skill it doesnt affect you
As player who has been playing mouse since the start, I've never experienced mouse drift. My only complain about my mouse playstyle is that the grip hurts like shit, and destroys my finger.
@@100xstacks9 i just cover the whole mouse with my hand
@@pizza4267 same lol. but i have to grip my mouse very hard, so they leave a red mark for awhile after a 2+ hours session. And this pain is no joke that after playing a few weeks, i have to take 1-3 days break to heal
@@100xstacks9 id say to not play that long/take breaks in mid gameplays to not hurt yourself health before osu
that 'certain point of skill' is about 40h of mouse gameplay. Though its actually less about skill and more about the way you hold the mouse and the way you move the mouse. Certain styles will have far less drift
they way i think about why tablet is so popular is because for a person to be dedicated enough to buy a whole tablet just for a game, that person gonna be really good at the game because of the dedication therefore there are better chance that a good player is playing with tablet but then tablet became affordable enough so newer player just see that pattern of good player play tablet so they too play with tablet which incentivise the next newer player to also play with tablet
hello people coming from the future osu news post
I switched to tablet maybe 4 months into playing and haven't been able to switch back. Probably due to the ludicrous amount of smoothing I use
if i didn't switch to tablet, I wouldn't even play the game anymore.
Why?
When i played with mouse, my grip got worse and worse everyday. It ended up as i held my mouse in a ~60° angle and my pinky rubbing on my mousepad in a very uncomfortable way.
I made the choice to switch to a tablet, which i got used to it as quickly as FlyingTuna and also fix my normal mouse grip.
I'm considering getting a tablet because I am frequently playing in multiple locations and not having to worry about a mouse pad is really appealing
Just wanted to know if I was the only one who put my tablet Vertical / -89.9 to be exact
i've never known that, thank
hmm...
Vid is 4min ;-; not 1
i've never known that, thank
@@Mornis457 epic
i use tablet because the desk i have is small and sometimes my mouse would drop out of my desk. since tablet have a small area i use them.
Speaking from experience, I stuck to mouse for 3 years but eventually got tired of it: no, it is not because of mouse drift (this is especially the case for high sensitivity players.) Players can adapt to mouse drift unconsciously after playing for a while. The problem rather lies on firstly, the fact that one would have to spend more money on a decent mouse setup than on a tablet one, and secondly, how a small and thin tablet pen is obviously more flexible and mobile than a bigger gaming mouse (ultra-lightweight mice are an option but they are *so much more* expensive.)
I got one at like 75hrs (100now) but i did because i got a good opurtunity and i also wanted to draw (but month after getting it i still havent drawn much cuz im fucking lazy and have no motivation)
bro i have a tablet as i am an artist but whenever i attempted to use it to aim it just goes straight to the top left corner of the screen and stays there.
turn off raw input in input settings
mouse drift only affects me only on longer maps
Awesome you can use a tablet. Feels much more like Elite Beat Agents. Would be nice to have it all on one screen, until then the game still isn't as fun or good as EBA. I want to move the pen with the circles, on one machine, like the DS.
One day. Until then, I'll stick with SM/ITG/DDR.
I started playing the game like 2 months ago and a couple weeks back, i bought a tablet. i just wanted to see, how it feels to play on it tbh. Saw one on amazon for like 40 bucks and was like, eh whatever, might aswell try it. I thought, that buying extra gear this early into the game might be overkill, but, then again, i don't stand anything to lose, other than a little bit of money.
I have to say, after playing a bunch with the tablet, it genuinly feels better to play on compared to mouse, for me anyway. I don't know, if im actually better on tablet or not, but, lets be real, im new so of course im still bad at the game currently, no matter what input device. But it certainly feels nicer to play with, it feels snappier and faster. Mouse feels kind of sluggish and less precise in comparision. Of course, all of that is just personal experience, i suppose it's different for each person. I have no idea, if there is any benefit for me in using a tablet over a mouse, but it certainly makes the game more enjoyable for me.
As a mouse player, I would absolutely play tablet if I could. I can't speak for all mouse players but I know that alot of us play it because tablet is too uncomfortable and causes pain in the wrist. I played tablet for about 2 years before being forced to switch to mouse because of uncomfort and pain and I really miss being able to play with absolute positioning and not having to deal with the friction of my entire arm when I play
You just perfectlt described what happens with me,the friction of my whole arm is just so uncomfortable and my mouse is heavy as well which makes it even worse
You move your arm?
@@zandy1569 800 dpi 1.0 sens so yes I move my arm. I don't like playing high dpi because I lose alot of control and precision
@@Garfield_Osu i have the same sens🤝
@@prateek4366
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I sometimes switch to mouse when playing somewhere else and i honestly do not notice much of tablet being easier i do notice the mouse drift slightly, it's annoying but not game breaking or skill limiting. Tablet for me has some annoyances as well like grip problems (aim just not feeling right, you'll know what i mean if you play tablet) and wrist strain for the manly grip havers like me.
I imagine aim not feeling right is more of a general problem than a specific input style problem, with off days and all that.
I had a tablet so I tried because everyone told me I was weird for using mouse
5-6 years later and I still use my good ol mouse
I can’t play with a tablet
By the way, the majority of the osu community uses a mouse, it’s way more accessible than a tablet and most of the time in any game the most accessible way to play is going to be the way the majority plays. For any mouse player out there, I’d say absolutely try a tablet but also realize you aren’t gonna have a flyingtuna breakthrough with it, it’s a lot more down to preference than people realize. I think a lot of people think having a tablet is just an inherent advantage when it’s really not you can get as far as you want with a mouse
I agree with you that most player use mouse if we are talking about the general player base, but I'd say 90% players that have been playing activity for like a year or half use tablet.
I never used a mouse for 20 years of my life so for me it was skill issue. If you used a mouse on your computer for games or even navigating the internet pretty much half of ur life you will not have this skill issue. A tablet for me was the best choice because I lacked muscle memory with the mouse but I been writing on paper for school etc pretty much all my life. Choosing the tablet was the choice for me.
I feel like this is the main factor for which is easier. I hardly use a pencil anymore but use mouse all the time. I won't be trying tablet for awhile though.
@@zandy1569 well, I played for almost 2 years with mouse only, having a substantial FPS background. Then I lost interest in osu for like 3 years. Bought cheapest Wacom tablet for drawing, decided to try osu on it. After couple of months or so I was able to pass maps that was out of reach for me for a long time. That is a huge motivation boost, you should try to find little things that illustrate your progress. Also pen grip is probably healthier for human being, since extensive mouse use without excercises leads to a tunnel syndrome and aches
Mouse drift can be fixed with higher sensitivity or grip.
Honestly the only reason I first got a tablet after a month of playing was because i thought it looked cool and wanted to try something new.
and what if I play only mouse
how to solve that mouse thing
I think everyone is forgetting that a pen is much lighter than a mouse, thus easier to move and change direction quickly.
There are some very light mice though, light enough that I don't think it matters.
force is the decisive value, not weight. I don't think you understand how little force it takes to move a 50g mouse with glass skates
I use mobile but I use a stylist pen cos it just feels smoother to move and tap
Because people like Andros, Nyan and Fancy lad focused on overcoming mouse drift instead of "this is impossible, imma get a tablet"
My main issue with this is that it's heavily influenced by bias. People jump to conclusions too quickly.
How are people supposed to tell which playstyle fits them best without rigorous testing?
Okay. But now why noone plays counter strike with tablets and everyone uses mouse?
It's unplayable.
tbh having absolute positioning cursor was my dream ever sinse i used mouse for the first time when i was a child but i thought such thing doesnt exist. turning off acceleration and things did make a huge diference and osu made me figure out that this is not just a dream but something that really exists. other than that i never played tablet and cant say shit but i do hate using mouse
it also made me figure out how this cursor movement is called but who cares about that
I'll admit that I've always been a horrible osu players, mouse of tablet. Tablet did help me get a lot of map S(S), but my decision to get a tablet was really an odd one. I bought a tablet for school work, then discovered that people used tablets to play. As a lot of my school's text related work was still hand written (until 8th grade when we all got iPads), it was a really simple switch from "academic" mode to playing. It was also a matter of getting carpal tunnel in my right hand from using the mouse.
What's map in the beginning?
There is no way you look at the top player tablet playrate statistics and just go "it's still a matter of preference guys".
Tablet is just an objectively better plastyle and there is so much evidence on it yet people still try to sugarcoat it and reject the truth.
It's just tablet users that can't accept the fact that mouse takes skill to use and by playing tablet they're taking the easy way out.
@@pikameme3322 That is not even the reason man pls use your eyes and hands and go take a quick search on what is the difference between tablet and mouse and then come back and type stupid shit like this.
I use a tablet because I first started by playing Osu!stream on ios. It was kinda boring, ngl, so I moved to computer. Since I am more used to using iPad, I did a sort of screen-mirroring thing to try to play Osu! on my iPad. Too much lag lmao, but since I had a drawing tablet next to me I took it out. I tried my mouse first though, I, uh, couldn’t click nor move so fast with my mouse flying around, thus I changed to the tablet. It was ten times easier XD.
My skill still kinda suck tho, but using a tablet is just easier.
this dude is the etienne of standard
personally, i'm left handed and it's much more difficult to found an left handed mouse than a tablet that you can use in both hands.
Mouse drift, yeah that's why I move to Tablet after 3 years, in the course of me playing Osu nonstop since 2017, in three years I never really got myself improved with mouse other than passing some long stream map cuz I'm left handed and that alone also cause some damage to my hands...
Moving to tablets unlocks my actual potential that I've never really got, in 2021 I did get myself some potential of passing some 7* map, but I quit cause I lose interest...
When cookiezi plays often again, it's where I return to Osu again, I'm still trying to derusting, but honestly I'm killing my old top score the more I play right now...
Although the transition from mouse to tablet will also putting me a downside of me unable to play stream map due to me being left handed, I can still do short burst, although again, it took me many months of constantly tapping with my right fingers, and it's not even funny...
But in all honesty, I'm glad I'm leaving Mouse and move to Tablet Pen, because I swear to god, I rather have a stable aim and capable of doing flow aim than having myself able to stream long map.
i wish i should get a tablet to avoid mouse drift
Playing with my big ass fingers on Android. I have a pretty good pc and have much more hours on mouse and keyboard than on phone, yet, it felt so much easier for me instantly, while for friends it seemed harder.
This whole thing about tablet or mouse or anything else... It's just a mater of preference in the end, just try what you like.
Cool upload
Becausea percentage of osu players are artists
mouse drift said hi
I bought a tablet and discovered I was worse so I went back to mouse and keyboard lol
I wanted to buy a tablet before,so i'll probably buy one
I got a tablet because my mouse aim wasn't improving at all, i managed to reach 6 digit with a mouse, then i got a tablet for christmas
Learn something new everyday
Newbie here, but as a drummer you get more from the wrist than the entire arm. Same with guitar, etc.. it’s all in the wrist. And the. If you use wrist and arm together- you’ll be a god haha.
Personally I got a small tablet cause the mouse is too heavy for me..
idk my wrist hurts on mouse
Tablet is just more forgiving because it's lighter, smaller muscles better at precision
Tablet just feels better for me
Could you make a video about the new PP record? I feel like it was out of left field for most players (I don’t understand it)
with a mouse im gonna get hand arthritis.
Next video : Why do players use the rafis skin ?
I enjoyed playing on mouse but as I played more and more and neared 5 digit I stopped simply farming TV size and shorter maps and started playing longer maps and noticed how much mouse drift affected me so I got a tablet
This is such a good video
Me who plays osu on my laptop trackpad
I think tablet is for some pepole who have better stragedy and aim with a pen, lot of top pepole use tablet, like koifishu.
i switched to tablet because it seemed fun so i tried it and i liked it
If a mouse player did reach rank 1 in osu, then maybe i can consider trying mouse again😅
I am a mouse player with a G502.
me with tablet drift 🤣
the real gods uses the wii remote
i thought they started using tablets cause they draw then they are just used to using the tablet
I did not know that I was planning to try doing I play ctb and relax and easy mod
Short Answer: It’s Easier For The Majority of People
My reason never use tablet is get tablet is expensive and get decent mouse is less expensive.
tablet is just more easier to aim, with mouse I can't pass 5 stars maps and with the tablet I can pass 6 stars