All I ever do in WoW anymore is basically pop into the capital cities on the free version and watch people. I'm basically the WoW equivalent of an old man sitting on a bench watching ducks.
@@amberleaf42069 On the other hand, in game no one roleplays the old guy who just wants to relax in WoW. I'm filling a niche. You guys kill big monsters and fight on red or blue team. I'm gonna go fishing and get drunk.
I don't even play wow but watching wow youtubers is like watching housewives with abusive husbands rationalizing whats wrong in the relationship and then going back with the guy. I left in cata, never came back
I played some classic, realized that memories are that, memories, it was the people I met along the way, while being my usual loner self, right now I know the game inside out, and it's just trying to re-create a feeling that's long gone. Also, left after trying to get back in the game, and seeing how wod was legion was bfa, and I don't care about shadow lands (as the story is just so dumb, I can't believe that)
Dont play classic for the nostalgia play it because it’s a good game. You can never recreate a Past time in your life and that’s fine but classic standalone is a great game, I’ve been playing classic for like 8 years now with private servers and now blizz it was never about the nostalgia it’s a good game. Now with TBC out we’re just replaying the golden era of an amazing game. Fuck retail it blows and will never be good again the good developers are long gone, just replay the golden era or move on to another game.
Back when a higher level player actually seemed like this mighty demigod, whereas in retail they're just a pleb who has either done little to earn their gear, or bought it.
@@ConorChaos Which is why when I see some douche in Mythic 15 gear I'm just like " Wow, you've got a decent enough rl wallet size that allows you to spend dumbass amounts of money on fake items. Good work. "
@@ConorChaos You mean back when you didn't realize that a higher level player actually was pretty much the same pleb as you just with more gametime under his belt? @Konniptionz Somehow I feel like you can't complete a 15.
@@adselrecom Opening up multiple portals was also fun. Always, always some people click wrong city... And no, I didn't overlap any portals at the time. It was end-of raid portal and I didn't want to piss off other guildies.
Levelling is for me one of the best experiences in this kind of games. I love getting to experience new zones and quests and unlock new skills. The gear grinding at endgame becomes old very fast for me.
im with you. I haven't enjoyed raiding much recently specially since people have only been running karazhan and they go in with very bad gear wich ends up going for 4 hours or more. I recently went back to questing and i decided to try min max as much as i can without breaking my bank. So im using enchants , food buffs, weapon buffs, elixirs , scrolls , potions and any nice reasonably priced gear i can buy off ah. I gotta say its a really nice lvling experience that I have never tried before and im really enjoying ( my own little raid).
I really dislike leveling in most MMOs and leveling in classic is pretty high up there. I think the gameplay isn't very fun because you don't have access to a lot of skills and stats that change the experience drastically but I want to make it clear that boosts aren't the solution to this. If the game sucks then improve the game. I wonder why their solution wasn't to increase experience gain. I think Blizzard actually did improve because leveling in some of the expansions was much better and some other developers did an even better job at designing their game to offer a fun leveling experience.
I know right? Levelling is my favourite part of anything new in WoW coming out, I'm the type that stays in zones I've outlevelled just to finish all the quests Edit: And I've genuinely never used any of my level boosts, I'd rather just get there myself. Shame I can't resell them to somebody that might use them
@@Slanderbot exactly if they did that they would be proven wrong. Its the same reason why north korea outlaws radio broadcasts that originate from outside the country. Its because it would prove how things could be and take away their rationalisation
I never get people who dislike the pause thing. You came here to watch him REACT. Not just to sit there and watch and do nothing. If not, go watch the original video instead, that way they can watch without pausing as much as they want. So obviously, he will react. And he also wants to follow the rest of the content. Pause -> React -> Unpause -> Watch more of the video. Though i'm sure if it's just a joke at this point or not. But i do know there are people that get genuinely upset at the pausing.
Leveling is boring after like the second time. A least with gearing they can mix it up and implement new ways of doing so. But the developers are lazy and stick with tired ass content they keep rehashing every expac
because it came from D&D, where levelling is done over the entirety of the campaign, and you very rarely spend much time at level cap because you become a god by that point and very little will challenge you
@@KC-py5vq You're ignoring 80% of game for the last 20% are you that dumb? Like seriously leveling can be tedious but if you're going to simply ignore it then there is no point in previous content existing. This is the exact reason why classic wow is as popular as it was and retail isn't.
The problem with being able to pay for extra fast progress is that the developer will often balance and pace the game around the paid experience, squeezing more and more money out of players and making the mid-game a nuisance. You shouldn't want to skip levels 1-58 any more than you would want to skip from Goodsprings to Hoover Dam, or just skipping straight to fighting Hades in Hades. If boosting to the end is considered "skipping the boring part" instead of "gouging 96% of the game out", something is probably wrong. Consider Path of Exile, where the leveling is fast and frequent, and people level new characters to try new builds. The endgame is the big focus for many, but you can have loads of fun casually leveling a character through the story.
The leveling experience was one of the core elements of WoW to begin with. The endgame was only there to keep those who completed their journeys busy. The addition of all these paid services does pervert the core essence of the game to some extent, the same way I probably felt 11 years earlier when Blizzard announced the faction transfer and drastically changed up server populations.
Same. I like old world content in wow. Just a shame so many take the boost path. Some good news, with tbc announced more people are leveling in the old content again.
Its literally the worst part of the game in my opinion. The world is mostly empty and annoying to travel, the quests have like 5 variations, world pvp is a grief fest, and dungeons take forever to find. at least with raids you have a spectacle.
It's the majority of the content for vanilla, and was the best part of the game for me. And was what a large portion of the players ever experienced. The exploration and discovery of the beautifully made WORLD of warcraft was a huge factor in why the community boomed and the game become so successful. The epic scale of the zones, the music, the look dev and style. A realization of the warcraft lore in 3d you could experience as a lowly adventurer.
My theory is that they want classic to stagnate with the introduction of the level boost to drive first time classic players into shadowlands to boost cash shop sales and player retention numbers for retail
@@King_Sad_Boy nope elites shit bags that cry about every system they put in are the issue with the game and i will see if the game gets better with their mass exodus does from the game maybe blizzard can make it better with less people crying like retards because a certain system isn't 100% to their liking or convenience. because i have seen time and time again that blizzard bend to the will of these people just for those people to cry and say they removed it wrong lol. these shit bags will find any excuse to cry about what blizzard does so yeah the garbage community is on a mass exodus and i am hoping for the best after they fucking leave lol.
@Rose's Zen Garden i am sure there wrong some times but the player base those at the top never give anything new a shot if it changes the way they play even the slightest they cry lol.
Check the poll again. 3 options were presented: Still playing Shadowlands, quit playing Shadowlands and I don't play wow. So 31% still play Shadowlands, 54% quit playing Shadowlands and 15% don't play WoW.
The worst part of this is activision blizzard very likely knows all of this, and is counting on people abusing it. Which just means more profits for activision blizzard at further expense of the game.
I tried to play TBC the way it was with a 60 Holy Priest I leveled in Classic, but ended up leveling a new toon in empty zones, that's why I gave it the finger and left.
Didn't even start, although I was excited and during vanilla took a break when TBC came out. But the way people acted during Naxxramas completely turned me off and I went 'fudge it, not gonna bother..' Bye Blizzard
@soulafein82 you clearly dont understand how a business works, or how players work, i'm sure they would be happy if all their original players played and they didnt have to recruit new players, but how many do you think are still playing that were in vanilla?
Gamers themselves are just as much to blame for that with how most only care about the player count of a game and not much else the companies follow that a lot of the bad things gamers bitch about us the fault of gamers and the rest is companies allowing suits to make most of the decisions
-"guys they're not bringing the lvl 58 boost and ignoring our demands for tbc fresh because they're greedy or anything, it's just that people don't want to level up in a mmorpg and they know it...it makes sense right?..." Meanwhile, in another galaxy, Bobby Kotick gets paid 200 million dollars this year after having fired hundreds of people...
I actually looked into this as social media has its panties in a twist, they laid off those poeple becasue a) they are disolving the ESports branch and simply put those people have no where else they can go...what is blizzard suppose to do pay them to sit around ? b) Brexit and Covid made it impossible to transfer the European studios to London so the only other option was laying them off (though everyone got from what ive read a very nice severance package, which blizzard could have been real dicks and simply cut them off) As for the bonus Blizzard made about 1.5 billion dollars more in just profit than in 2019, so yeah everyone got good bonuses not just the CEO. Honestly i feel for these people who got laid off, having experienced it many times it fucking sucks...but i also understand a business is suppose to make money, and them losing money to accomidate people who they dont have a place for sends a bad message to investors which in the long run can damage a company beyond saving and lead to everyone losing their job (ie the business model of games journalist outlets like Kotaku which are on the verge of chapter 11 becasue of shitty management)
@@TheSilverPhoenix100 No single human being should be making 200 million dollars, no matter how good the results, when employees are underpaid, treated badly, and fired on a whim. That's how it works currently, but it's just plain wrong: people should be paid MUCH more than they currently are in general, not just at Activision-Blizzard, and CEOs way less.
@@valaquenta220 Nope 100% disagree, a person should make whatever their services are deamed to be worth, people need to stop caring how much other people make and pretending they wouldnt 100% take that kind of money if it was offered to them, you can be empatheic towards people in a shit situation without having to demonize others who arent
Imagine thinking saving people $60 on a paid service in a 15 year old video game makes any business sense. Nobody gives a fuck, it’s business, and you’re still giving them your money so I’d consider it successful one.
The way I played classic was not to look up any info about what to do, I was clueless when it came to gear, world buffs, mats, talents etc. I asked people in game for help. It re created a feeling for me that I don’t think I will ever get.
Me to man :) I took forever to hit 60, explored a lot, pvped a lot. Just went on an adventure of discovery in the brand new genre. I remember once when i was dueling at xroads at level 58, one of the people hanging out and dueling said that I looked like i was level 12 in my mismatched green gear haha.
You want to level and grind 4 days /played to 60/70? Then dont buy the level boost. How does this affect you in any way? This is literally for people who know what they are doing and want to skip levelling. You will spot the people who never played a class before very very early so they wont get far either. I dont get how wow community can be so salty over something that doesnt affect them hahaha
@@capitaldcolon1795 I think the biggest issue is the bottlers who now can skip right to the levels where they effect the economy the most. And that effects every single player
You think botters will pay 60€ for EACH ACCOUNT? Not quite sure about that. And even if: why you salty about prices dropping? You want to pay 120 gold for a primal air again?! If i can buy my mats cheap, wheres the problem in that? And you auction house flippers can even make MORE money because you just buy all the cheap shit and relist it at higher prices anyway. I think auction house flippers with "price fixing" hurt the economy way more than people who flood the market with cheap shit. And these people are real players, not botters. Furthermore: If i play my warrior, level him to 70, everythings fine. but whenhen my guild needs a holy priest, i can boost a priest and level it faster from 58-70. In my opinion thats helpfull. I dont get the negativity coming from the wow community, its such a toxic circle jerk its literally unbearable. "STORE TRANSMOG, FUCK YOU BLIZZARD" - then simply dont buy it FFS! Fucking Cancer Aids community, thats why i play retail because i dont have to listen to these stupid complaints in classic Trade chat all the time. Classic players are just salty sour grapes people, say they dont like retail but constantly talk about it. Seems butthurt to me, like when you get friendzoned by a hot chick and you tell yourself you dont want her anyway and how stupid she is and constantly talk about her. Classic people are the cancer of wow community.
I love how chat is so anal about Asmon pausing and commenting on the video. Like obviously, it's called "re-acting" for a reason, you're supposed to sit there eating, preferrably with mic on, or even go to the bathroom for 15 minutes while leaving the video to play, and God forbid you say anything. We want a million copies of the exact same video, just with different titles
Yeah I mean just go watch the video yourself if you don't want pauses plus what's hilarious is the fans harass people who upload asmons streams for stealing money while asmon does this 😂
"I would've had so much more fun leveling in classic if I played on a pve server" I guarantee you he's still gonna play on a pvp server in TBC Classic despite realizing this
I was initially ok with one 58 boost, this opened my eyes, all points he made totally make sense, now I am 100% againsts boosts, fresh servers seems like the best solution
The boost was the end of me caring about WoW, and I quit a bit after. Not because of what the video said, though valid points. But rather, Blizz flat out told us that their game is so bad that we should pay money to NOT play the game. I play games to be entertained, so if a game comes out with an expedited way to avoid playing, I doubt it would entertain me.
@@juliotorres3147 I invite you to explain how "that's terrible logic". Otherwise, you're giving off "Bad troll is bad" vibes. If that's the case I'm gonna go ahead and cross the street.
I wish they would remove XP from dungeons when a member in your party is more than 7 levels higher than you. That would drastically slow down power leveling.
Yeah, instead OSRS is filled with RMT people and gamblers... cuz Jagex decided it was a good idea to let OSRS become an online money laundering operation...
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@@RogueAndroid It's the wild west. Ark: Survival Evolved had people that could mesh through the map, breaking defense mechanics and granting invulnerability, and eventually there was even players that found ways to obtain administrator privileges, and they used them to greater effect than the actual GM's, negating hundreds of thousands of man hours, social engineering, espionage, tens of thousands of real US dollars in backdoor deals, sometimes transferring much of that work to allies in the form of Tribal ownership... the guns would subsequently turn on the inhabitants, as well as the dinosaurs, taken and used against you instantly, completely outside of game design. What if I told you that the chaos that happened within Ark pales in comparison to what has been possible in RuneScape over the years, and nobody really knows the whole story; internal corruption, onboarding of botmakers, and a lack of player trust chief among reasons that the hands of Jagex are tied to opacity. This level of absolute degeneracy, this complete disregard for law, for ethics, and for morality, at this extreme of a magnitude can only be a great, glorious thing. "Greatness, at any cost" -Bob "The Great One" Maher, Dark Confidant
NoChanges was not so much about believing that not changing anything would make the experience exactly the same as it was back in Vanilla. It was more about simply not trusting Blizzard to make changes to the game.
Faction changing would be cool if there were a dangerous quest involved. Realistically very few of the alliance would take a horde player in. And visa versa. So making you cross enemy lines to defect would be so cool.
Battle passes are really ok in a lot of games.For example,i never paid a thing and managed to get fortnites free battlepass which made me able to buy each one without money ever since.However,doing this in a unbelievably expensive game like wow is complete stupidity.
I think battle passes are ok. There's almost no incentive to buy them if they don't give a competitive advantage. I've played multiple games that had them and never bought one.
While blizzard is at it, they should every patch come out with a item level boost, pay 60 dollars and have a chest appear with all TOP BIS gear for your toon
@@breakisbad4329 I just find the game really boring now, blizzard uses mythic+ as "new content". When all I see mythic plus as is greater rifts from Diablo 3 and I found that constant grind for a chance of good loot the higher you went shitty, repetitive and boring. They have 4 different levels of dungeons, normal, heroic, mythic and mythic+ why? Rehashing the same content 4 times is not "new" especially as a new expansion. When they first released heroic dungeons, sure it was cool it did make them harder but now it's just stupid, they have also did this to raids by adding the LFR, Normal, Heroic and Mythic. I find it very boring to be trying to clear the same content over and over and over and over on different difficulties just for the gear and effort to be useless come the next patch. It's why I quit retail and only play classic now, idc if it is easier than retail at least there is only 1 version of the content and once I am done running that stuff for the week I do whatever else I want.
@@acillius2 cause shitters need to have some sort of progression. Normally mythic bosses are harder than entire classic raids. You need to have difficulties that cater to those people. There's really only a small minority actually clearing mythic. Like 2% of playerbase small.
I still love levelling in games. A lot of my favourite experiences are there. Questing, seeing it all for the first time. Once you're into endgame grind a lot of games fall off for me, honestly. The love I developed while levelling keeps me invested.
I started playing retail during TBC, all my friends were levels 40+, and you only got your first mount at level 40. I grinded and caught up to them dinged 70 about a month after the last one, no need for boosts.
"They don't have time to play the game which is why they want the boost but that's the whole reason the game changed to the point where they wanted Classic in the first place." Nail on the fucking head right there.
Asmongold looks like an AI avatar from the Anno games because whenever you do an action with them they move their heads and their facial features around a lot.
Expressiveness is imperative to the art of showmanship. It's like in Japanese Kabuki theater where the performers wear masks with exaggerated facial expressions.
@@JoeKing69 "It's like in Japanese Kabuki theater where the performers wear masks with exaggerated facial expressions." You are WAY too cultured for this comment section.
I'm leveling in classic for the first time and that's the best experience I had in year with WoW. I agree there's great things in retail but madseason got it right on boost services.
I know this is an older video, but the sold boosts killed my excitement for tbc. One of the best experiences i miss from MMOs is seeing my investment in the game providing a return, on an equal playing field with other legitimate players, without microtransactions devaluing effort put in. If you dont have the time to invest in an MMO, then maybe it isnt for you. I say this as someone who only briefly played classic but was looking forward to tbc. Leveling makes you invested in your character, you see value as a result of your effort and so are invested in the game itself. Instead now all you see is a ton of people who you just assume bought boosts, because thats more likely than not the case. Now if you qctually play the game you are simply being less efficient. Yeah you could level a new character, but if you do you're just a chump for spending a couple weeks leveling instead of just working your day job for a couple hours to pay for a boost. Or if you literally cannot afford the boost, you just feel like a second class customer. Its the kind of psychological manipulation that has been destroying blizzard games, and i was looking forward to avoiding. So instead its just a pass for me
I love one of the first comments I see is literally the type of person he describes in the beginning. Your feelings aren’t everyone’s feelings. Yet, your whole argument is everyone should have your feelings and everything that’s not your feelings is wrong. Hilarious.
MMOs aren’t really for anyone seeing as it requires people to play more than anyone should be playing any game. A game stop being one the moment it turns into chores.
"How many more people are going to play if we let them pay to save their time?" I'd respond to that with "How many other people are going to quit because they have to work for something that other people paid real money to skip?"
@@stevenp25100 Wrong, most of the simps still do play because they're too blind to see how shit the game actually is and you're proving my point without evening realizing it. If the game was actually good then you wouldn't need to pay money to skip any of it.
@@Nick-ij5nt he literally did a poll in this video and 75% said they don't play. And considering your watching a video about a game you don't play; you're not 1 to talk.
biggest issue I have with the boost is that it'll p much make your leveling experience pointless. you could spend months leveling depending on your schedule- yet some dude with a card could just pass you in 5 seconds. edit: the 58 requirement does make it much better now tho
Let me take you back 10 years. You're a new player and you're in your game's capital city, dressed in whatever ragged items the quest rewards decided to hand out to you. There are a lot of max level characters around. You take your time to look at these characters, to get a sense of what end-game looks like through the gear they have. You see an item that is so much more powerful than anything you've seen so far, and it gets you excited. Fast forward, you're now also max level! You've made it to the place you looked up to a while ago. But, now there's another kind of people you look up to. It's those that have done the content at the hardest difficulty. The real "heroes" of your game. You look at their gear, titles and maybe achievements too, and you think to yourself: "someday I'll be that cool". Contrast this to now; The gear you see them wearing, you've probably also seen something similarly powerful in a dungeon drop (not numbers wise obviously). The gear you're picking up has an overlaying outfit so you also look cool, even as level 12. Now you're max level and you look at these people and you're not even sure if they actually did it or just bought the achievements. That's what "catering to the people with little time" have done to MMORPGs to me. It has destroyed all sense of wonder and accomplishment in the game.
The weird part is that leveling is by far the most casual part of the game. You can make lots of progress and see cool stuff and get new abilities even if you play just a few hours a week. It isn't until you hit the end game and have to compete with the hard cores it starts to suck. I don't see how skipping the most casual part of the game benefits casual players. No casual player has the time to do all the grinds and crap you have to do in the end game.
TBC was my intro to wow and I fell in love with the grind. Literally everything about it. I loved the way you could mix skill trees and play the way you liked.
I'm looking forward to playing TBC-Classic because I liked the classes more. I don't really care one way or the other about outlands, truth be told. I want to go back to the base world of TBC, with the races, classes, specs and abilities which existed in TBC. The people who just want to boost in order to hit the raid content - imo - are hastening how quickly TBC-C will go dead. If you're 70 in a couple of days, rather than a couple of weeks, you do your raid progression then log off, until the next raid comes out. Unless you're a PvPer obviously, but even then - you get your gear then what? Boosting gives you *a* week, maybe two, of content, then nothing.
@@stevenp25100 Quote: *"you think forcing people into"* It's a game you voluntarily play - you voluntarily pay money to play it - you're not being *forced* to do anything.
@@ObservingLibertarian that was my whole point. If you put stupid time gates into a game people will just not play. You can't force people to do anything. Making something take more time is the laziest way to make something hard
@@Froggeh92 I think he meant of the classic era. Edit: Also, Blizzard has done a lot of redeeming stuff in recent times, such as giving us Classic, giving us TBC, giving us a bunch of stuff we asked for in Shadowlands like unpruning and more.
Wow. cannot believe theyre putting boosts in TBC classic. what a shame. Early classic was such an amazing experience too. We thought they were learning! We thought they were listening to us! lol guess not
Except people coming for TBC want TBC not classic. 1-58 content is irrelevant in TBC why should people have to spend several days /played just to start what they came for? If they wanted to play classic vanilla they would've played classic vanilla.
@@MikeTall88 speaking as someone who quit wow years ago and used to be a hardcore player (10+ hours a day back in middle school/ Hs) the same game design philosophy that created all the expansions we hated- cata, wod, bfa etc is the philosophy behind the level boost. The idea of making things more accessible has counter intuitively made blizzard less money because their previous core of gamers decided the game was no longer worth playing. Think about the player counts in vanilla, bc and wotlk vs cata, mop, and wod. Tf is the point of playing a game where 1/2 the experience is removed by a paid service? All it does is decrease the amount of time spent in game per player which leads to less attachment which is a death knell in a subscription based game. Blizzard catering to the “make it more accessible” crowd allowed for the creation of store mounts, dungeon and raid finder, and nearly every other problem that made this game unplayable and no longer fun. By your logic, why not add LFR to BC? It would make the raids more accessible. I don’t play WoW anymore because I have too many obligations to play it seriously, and because I don’t like playing games casually, but the casual experience in early wow was always an alternative experience to the hardcore raiders/pvpers, not a watered down parallel experience. In vanilla if you were a casual player you slowly got to 60 did a bunch of dungeons and never got past molten core, but that was fine because blizzard used to recognize it is more fulfilling to have multiple content paths for different kinds of players. The boost just puts casuals on a watered down and necessarily less fulfilling version of the hardcore path, which, at the end of the day, benefits nobody.
@@foerfan6400 no it just a moot who is really crying about this people who already have level 60 toons what are they crying about really does the boost effect them no so they have to make shit up like well crafting and the economy will go to shit like oh really that is your number one complaint is the economy lol. i thought it was about the game play the economy is nothing unless you're a hard core AH person in which case any economy is good economy if your actually good at making gold lol. its all crying for nothing lol. 1-58 is relevant no one is there just like in retail every expansion everyone stays in the new zones and never go back to the old content unless it is to do old raid for transmog once a new expansion comes out only that current content matters it always been that way lol.
With this many comments I'm sure this one will get lost but leveling up through the game naturally and then having someone boost is such a slap in the face. Being proud that you were able to stick it out and make it max and invest the time, energy, and everything else is part of the fun. "I did this." is one of the biggest motivators. So, having someone come along and boost to that level feel so shitty. Even if it's exclusive to accounts that already have a character that's max level on classic servers, it still feels bad. When you look out over a sea of people and you don't know who did the work and who is boosted, then no one did the work. I remember playing when Lich King came out and this same conversation happened the first time. It sucked then and it sucks now.
I wish people would stop thinking of leveling as just increasing numbers to reach maximum power instead of a consequence of your accumulating the experience of adventuring in the World of Warcraft.
Sure mate, go kill Boars in Westfall for 20hrs cause the quest Item has a droprate of 0.05% and do that for 4 Chars and lets talk about meaningful experiences in WoW again.
It sounds like they forgot what an RPG is. WoW is for people to immerse themselves in the sequel of Warcraft 3 whether it be doing quests, exploring areas within the world, PvPing, etc. It's not meant to be a short-term progression. Yes, Raids are great, but they were never the whole thing. If these people didn't like having to level up just so that they could do the high level stuff (since that sounds like all they cared about), they shouldn't have played the game in the first place.
@@Luminus2 no it having to play the same boring quest 20 times that lead to this if they made leveling fun it wouldn't be a problem but they never do so its still a problem to this day lol. raid are great and gear is the most important thing in most mmos leveling is just a moot point or a time gate to the better gear no one plays for this so called adventure or exploring lol.
@@user-wc3ez4kw4l you are greatly exaggerating the tedium of completing quests for emotional impact. It is tacky and weakens your argument. On the topic of multiple characters, it is a recent development that the average player expects to play an "account" with 5-8 characters they cycle through. The monotony and frustration a player feels when trying to acquire multiple maxed out characters is 100% by design. You are meant to get invested in a single character, and that's YOU in that game world. It was exceedingly rare back in the day for the average player to have even two max level characters. I don't think either system is better than the other, but I do think it's unwise for the people that want to play a whole bunch of characters to pitch a giant fit when they enter a system designed around a low quantity of active characters per account
Yes... what did you think was gonna happen? There is no way that they are going to make new expansions for classic so it's just gonna go until WOTLK probably and then just keep the servers up until the company goes out of business years down the line
Here is how I see it. An MMO is largely character building. You level up your character, train skills, get gear and supplies and tackle challenges (whether it's dungeons, bosses, raids or something else), to get better loot (gear, recipes, supplies etc.), so you can tackle even higher tier of content and that cycle stacks on top of each other nicely, like a multi-tiered cake, until you reach some form of endgame. A character boost, in my opinion, completely shits on that concept. You pay some fee to skip a large part of the game, so you can arrive at the finish line without investing time. OK, but where is your cake? Exactly, you don't got one. At best, you have a single tirered cake, two if one is being generous in their assumption. My point is, by buying a character boost to reach the end game, you are essentially skipping that which makes an MMO, a MMO. It's not the relationships with people, the higher end content or anything else. It's making a character, starting from nothing and building it up and making said character a badass. That's what an MMO is all about at It's core. Why would you voluntarily skip all that? It's like if you started a narrative focused game and paid some money to skip to the end of it. What was the point of purchasing the game then? You saw the ending, but what about before it? What about the buildup, the tension? Did you understand it (the game and the story) or it's messages by skipping the whole thing and only seeing the end? That's how I view this situation. You just skip to the endgame and all you get from it is the fact that your wallet is lighter. Endgame content is not everything people, realise it. It's not the destination that is important, it's the journey. That cake building i talked about earlier.
@@matous2542 Mate there isn't anything exclusive in the end game for you to want to buy a boost. Current vanilla max lv players will reach the new cap and go through the content in about 1 month, maybe 2 for the slower players. There is no rush to reach the end game, you will have access to endgame content no matter when you reach it. Also just because the boost isn't max lv that still doesn't make it ok, you still skip over half of the leveling experience without even entering 2 zones.
@@matous2542 A major part of an MMO's meat and bone is PVM. While PvP has a pretty big role in MMO's, it takes a back seat to PVM'ing. Paying for the game, the monthy fees, the dlc's and the character boost to boost to near max just because you want to exclusively engage in high end PvP is in my opinion a very shallow, very selfish and very stupid reason to even engage in MMO's in the first place. If you genuinely want to do PVP, you can engage in games that have that as it's selling point. PvP is, more often than not, far from even being in the top 5 reasons to get into MMO's. Why are you talking if you don't even understand why people are angry? Did you even watch the video to try to understand? It's simple, If one can boost their character to near max, it devalues the grind, effort and time others have went and put into their character, because some random schmuck with a deep wallet can pay his way to near max level without going through any hardship and without putting any time into it. It's discouraging and disheartening. In my opinion, if those people you talk about want to experience the endgame, they ought to go through the same journey everyone else had to go through. That is true fairness - making the player adapt to the game, not the other way around. You should either grind like the rest of us or if you don't want to put the effort and time in, leave. If you can't put that time and effort for one reason or another than you also leave. It's tragic that you don't have time to spend, but a game developer shouldn't bend backwards and compromise on the game so as to accommodate someone who would rather skip a vast majority of it so that he can engage in the endgame content. Let's not even talk about how this opens the gates for more aggressive monetization. Let's not even talk about that, as I said, it's not the destination(endgame) that defines MMO's, it's the journey(leveling up and progression) you go through to reach it. Skipping huge part of it completely misses the point of MMO's.
I've always been of the opinion that the level boost should have been just that - an EXP boost that helps you progress faster, but still "forces" you to level in the areas they've made. This way the game still holds true to its roots while still respecting other player's time, should they need it - and also keeping towns and zones alive. This also means Blizz can still charge for such a service without hurting the spirit and the point of the game itself for the mass majority. Kinda like EXP boosts in Warframe.
The WotLK commentary is spot on, Wrath was fun to play at the time, but it fundamentally changed the game in a way that removed my desire to play once the storytelling stopped carrying the franchise.
Yep, others have been saying this for years. Wrath was the beginning of the end. It was like a stage 1 cancer... nothing is obviously wrong at the time and you're still going on with life as normal having a great time. But it introduced a lot of the fundamental mindset changes that radically transformed WoW down the road. And it helped that those changes came in the expansion who's story was all about Arthas and finally getting a conclusion to the events in Warcraft 3.
I actually think the way his mind goes straight to drugs when making an analogy about the game is spot on. The game is a despotic drug dealer, at first the highs are childhood memories and when adulthood gets tough they turn to drugs, but unlike drugs where it's a dealer you have this company as the pusher trying to mimic the childlike highs. They will never manage it...ever.
This all seems so utterly alien to me. I walked away from WoW so long ago I can't remember the boost being an option, and now I'm playing FFXIV where the leveling experience is actually fun. It's like they're saying "give us money to take away a large chunk of the actual fun gameplay" and they might as well be speaking German for all I understand it.
@@doctorcdub2413 yeah, it was a joke tbf. Btw, i suspected that he spent huge amount of time on this vid(it only takes 1h of successful voice over and there are a lot of other stuff), but 120 is just wow, incredible
@@EvilsoriHC honestly anybody that says madseason doesn't LOVE WoW at this point are insane it was already clear but the work he put into this just hammers it home
Asmon, I stupidly transfered my 60 Lock to a PvE server to play with a friend from work. He quit, guild died, server died, and since I didn't read transfer rules I didn't know I had just damned my main to PvE limbo. So I'm rebuilding my main on PvP and starting over fresh, and I'm actually having fun. Not even boosting, there are a lot of people who are not mage boosting either. Lot of people are playing like they did at release right now. Good time to work on that alt.
Instead of giving players a lvl boost, they should give out exp multipliers. You'd still have people in the old world, and, more importantly, you'd get more player interaction, since more people would need to group for difficult quest, due to worse equipment during lvling. Adding to that, they could change the multiplier every so often, to change the optimal lvling strat, so that botters would need to adept more often. (Tho I'm not sure on that one tbh)
No, they should rework open world so leveling is fun, so doing things in the open world is fun, so you can play with friends without trivializing every fight, so there is things to do in the open world. Then you would see players in the open world.
@@laharlkent that doesn't punish bots, that punishes players for grinding. Bota dont give a fuck about low xp rates if they getting items. In wow classic i commonly would find the next zone too hard and be forced to grind in the current for levels and gear
It seems like MMO players hate the thought of other MMO players not having to suffer through playing the game like they had to. Crazy logic from everyone involved...
i played 2 months of classic as warlock and hit 60, did my first raid and got the warlock mount but the leveling was so fun having a decent guide on how to gear my self and what dungeons to do that was the part i really liked and the natural group looking in zones to kill an elite mob
People say leveling is important, but go on to any WoW Classic community like Reddit, Discord or even TH-cam, what do they care about? Raiding and pvpving and how to min/max all that shit. Most WoW players don't care about leveling, they just pretend to care because they want to be seen as virtuous or something. But in reality they want to reach max lvl as fast as possible and to start playing "the real game" aka do the endgame stuff. If people wanted to level up, mage boosting wouldn't exist, but most servers are full of it. I wonder why. To most WoW players leveling is basically filler, all they wanna do is raid log and that's it. That's the whole game to them. Back then, when Classic and TBC was released, this wasn't the attitude, but now everything is entirely different, the people are entirely different. Boosting wouldn't exist if people wouldn't use it, but WoW players love this shit, they just don't want to admit it. Same with buying gold.
It's part of the game. But once you reach level 60 you "can't" care about the leveling part anymore and you have to focus on raiding/PvP. Nothing new here. But still a lot of people level alts which is leveling content. And yes, mage boosting is bad too Blizzard should fix it.
Man, I can see that you're a decent guy so I'll just crush this wall of text on you. What you said is true, and this is why I don't think a lot of people will even support Madseason's arguments. Back in 2004-2007, the attitude was different only because the game was still growing in players, and it was growing fast, meaning that every server had more genuine new levelers than it had raiders. I do think that re-leveling new characters, casually raiding on alts and doing wPvP is infinitely fun and is something I could do for another 10 years, with new friends from real-life and other random players, and with little breaks from the game every now and then. I'm definitely in the minority here, though, but this is totally the idea that Nostalrius had when asking Blizzard for vanilla WoW servers, and when J. Allen Brack said in an interview that Classic "would be there forever like a museum". So you can still play the old game if you want, on Classic Era. Classic hasn't been perfect in executing vanilla WoW, but it did its best and it's been a lot of fun for those who knew what they wanted. Classic was born from Nostalrius and the Legacy community, but TBC-Classic is now born from Classic WoW. That's a shame for everyone who wanted TBC more than vanilla, but I don't get those people anyway because in my opinion, "expansions" were a bad idea all along, just like any catch-up gear and raids. They are bad in how they were not "expanding" the game, but rather limiting it and fitting everything in a smaller box instead. We'll see how TBC-Classic plays out. I'll definitely rather NOT play the game for the love of it, than try to enjoy it and not pay attention to its real greatness being ruined. Whether it's ruined by the players, by the company, or by both - doesn't matter. I'd never get burned out but it's not a tough decision to quit TBC if that's the right thing to do.
Asmon says "I'm a fan of attunements, but only if they are account-wide, not character-wide". This is exactly an example of an old, bored WoW player that just doesn't want to repeat the same gameplay on numerous characters and doesn't want to get more bored. But you DO get bored if you grind the fuck of the game. This is only a game made by a bunch of humans, you can't be excited with it FOREVER. That's the attitude of retail players and the way of development of retail WoW - they just build systems on top of systems, for players that chase excitement and dopamine. The only gameplay that is truly "endless fun" is RP. While RP isn't for everyone, RP elements are everywhere in the old WoW. So you gotta take the game partly as RP, as a world, not as a system. That's how you enjoy the game forever. Play it, don't make science or a job out of it.
People are always going to choose the path of least resistance, even if they don’t like it. Look at how many people oppose worldbuffs yet get them every week.
The biggest benefit from levelling is not even mentioned. Skill. Growing with your character while it develops in XP and gear makes you better able to play it skillfully. Nobody that boosts a character can ever hope beat soneone whos grown their character naturally.
I never boost in an MMO atleast personally for me it is so hard to go from no skills to 20+ skills and understand how all of them work together atleast when you spend the time to level you get the skills slowly and learn how they work together as you get them 1 by 1 it's like the difference between dumping a 100 piece puzzle out of a box and not separating the pieces and putting the puzzle together piece by piece starting with the corners and sides.
everquest has servers for people like at 8:34, they are 'classic' servers, that start you out at level 51/70/85 and they don't stick around forever, they progress 2-3 months per expansion, and then merge into live servers when done.
for multibox, if it means the same thing it does in everquest where you play more than one account a pc, then why get rid of it? I use to play up to 5 characters in everquest at once because no one would let me group with them after 8 hours of lfg, while I was among the best geared berserkers who was even grouping at the time, being one of the higher dps classes at the time. for everquest, boxing was the only way to even play the game. granted once mercs came out boxing lost a lot of its need due to an npc to take a tank/healer/dps roll, but some classes that is not enough if you want to play them. then there is the player base that sucks dick at the game and top people either don't let you in their groups, or dont even play the game outside of raid. hell I wont even play the game without my friend playing due to every other tank sucking in comparison. keep in mind, we both play without the use of bots, just either good alt tabbing, or in his case running 5 laptops.
@@alidan What do you think happens when one person is multi-boxing a full raid group of 40 characters controlling all of them at the same time with the same inputs, all moving perfectly on top of each other? They press one aoe ability which gets repeated 40 times and instantly kills every player around them, etc.
was it that good if adding a boost was enough to kill for those who where already at max level lol. that seems to be the only people bitching about lol. people who are already max level crying about something that makes no difference to them.
in these reaction videos, if you see them spaming something unrelated to the video, it probably because of the spergs that show pop in-game while his watching youtube. It could be female characters dancing, or someone say stuff. Usually it's blocked by the editor placing the chat in the space where they show up.
8:20 why doesn’t blizzard just do what they started doing in BFA where you talk to an NPC that takes you to a different world. Basically you have one world where all the hardcore players play. AND the casual scrubs have their own world that starts at lvl 58 or whatever they want to start at. If they don’t want to start from level 1 all over again. I bet blizzard hasn’t even thought of this since this is something that just clicked in my head.
Let’s be real. This is just Blizzards attempt to make money from gold buying. 95% of people who were paying gold to boost characters was buying the gold. Anyone disagreeing is kidding themselves. This is blizzard saying “we can just offer it to make sure we are getting the money instead”. It’s greed simple as that. Call it smart business, but we all know why they’re doing it.
I wouldn't call what blizzard is doing smart business.They have managed to have one of the worst if not the worst reputation as a gaming company in our current days.
15-16 years ago in vanilla I don't remember anyone doing this mage boost powerleveling thing. Maybe I forgot but I don't recall that type of gameplay back then. Do you all remember if it was done then?
To point something out Asmon said it doesn't take blizzard 30$ to transfer character or race change etc. It doesn't all it takes is a gm to target you and type a command.
A counter to this would be that it's easy to say this singularly, but Blizzard likely receives, organizes, and executes thousands of these per day/week, which takes employees and time. Maybe it's a thing a GM can easily do, but it's not like someone is hitting up the GM and saying "hey can you transfer me? Here's $30." The request is processed by employees, verified, and pushed down to the people who make it happen. That means Blizzard is on the hook for that time and resources to make it happen, which means they have to pay employees to do those jobs (among other jobs), which costs money.
The thing that gave me the go-ahead to grind like a no-life freak was the assumption that the grind would be respected. Do you really think I'd run Strath 32 times trying to get some bis gear to drop if I thought someone could pay money to get the same item instead? I absolutely would not.
8:30 - I'm someone who bought the boost because I haven't played WoW in 12 years and need something to do with my off time that isn't just more job. But I played the heck out of levels 1 to 60 long ago. I have ZERO desire to go through it again.. and I'm currently re-farming level 0 to max herbs and dying inside while I do it. There's no chance I would have signed up without the boost being an option.
On the topic of saying the leveling in the game is bad so to "fix" it they added the boost to skip it. I agree with how destructive it is. Look at eso for example. The player base was dying because leveling just sucked balls. So they improved it byremoving the level requirements for quest and allowing the player to pick and choose what they wanted to do. Instead of doing half good quests and half shifty ones, you get to just do the good ones and reap the benefits for doing it.
ESO was doomed to fail the moment when they decided to make the came console friendly. You don't make mmos around a controller, you make mmos around mouse and keyboard. ESO was such a disappointment it's unbelievable.
When are people going to realize the best and most enjoyable part of any game is the grid and leveling up , How can you have any pride in your character if you just buy it ? I mean it doesn't make you good buying boosts , It makes you good the more you play the game. When I played it back in 2011 I loved the grid , I couldn't wait to max out a character so I could start over on a alt.
1:38:40 I don't have time for leveling. It was a pain to level up and grind heroics for pre-raid, but now I'm able to raid and that's all I do. I have like 3-4 hours a week to raid with my friends and it's working fine that way. I have 1 lvl 80 and an alt dk. If I started playing nowadays, I'd totally boost a character, but I'd never buy gold. I wish I had more time like I used to, 12 years ago. There are several kinds of players and no one can tell you how you should play the game "you don't have time to level, you should quit MMO" not everybody makes a living by playing video games all day or have tons of hours to spend grinding.
I've noticed when using cheats in any game is enjoyable in a game because it gives you a new experience to enjoy. This can be fun for a short while but you get bored easily as your cheat plays the majority of game for you. What's even the point of getting the game if you don't play it yourself? I feel cheats are best after you finish playing it normally. The argument that some people don't have enough time to play the game I say as someone who also lacks time for some games, is dumb as hell. If you don't have time to play a video game that's life's way of telling you shouldn't be playing this game. This doesn't mean you can't play games. You just need to play the ones you do have time for. I don't play muti-player action games because it takes too much time to get good enough at the game, know the levels and tricks. If you don't do this then your pretty much a bullet magnet. Not fun at all. It's not because I can't get good because before I had to work for a living I rocked at these games. But now I just don't have the time. I do just fine in MMO's because you can actually play at your own pace. You may not be the first to try out the new content but as I don't have as much time as some others anyway it's better to die less by watching vids on new raids and run with experienced players that know what they're doing works better with my more limited time. On average beat them on the first run with minimal deaths and move on to collecting my loot. I don't have to be the Top Dog in the game to still enjoy it and I feel confident enough in my skills that I don't drag the other players down. I get a lot that do. I feel the main reason so many people hate boosters is because nothing is more frustrating than doing a run with a max level tank or healer in an easy dungeon that has no idea what they're doing at all bringing wipe after wipe. We've all been there. Or a level 70 tank with level 35 gear. AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH! For all those who wish to boost. If you don't want grief for boosting then for heaven sake. Don't look like a booster by playing the game like you don't know wich end of the sword your holding to point towards the monsters. If no one can figure out your a booster then there will be no grief. I'll never boost myself because I find if you don't want to play a leveling game through leveling then your playing the wrong game. If you want a game you can play without a major time investment then I recommend sticking with cellphone games. They got you covered.
That kind of depends on the cheat, there's a number of games where I cheat because without cheating I can't access much of the game because that's how the game is designed(it's supposed to be "you do things differently in different playthroughs", I get that, but I like having everything too much :D)
The slippery slope "fallacy" is not a fallacy. Every single thing that has been called a slippery slope fallacy has turned out to be 100% accurate so far. Calling it a fallacy was just an attempt to discredit people pointing out the result of certain positions.
I always feel like boosting is only great if you feel bored about your current class, character, you fancy a certain race or class and want to switch the end game character, continue on where your old char was. I have the best fix for the boosting character issue. Make the boost locked behind a level achievement. WoW retail = level 50 on any char to unlock a level boost for another char. TBC classic = 1 char must reach level 58 to unlock the boost. The boost can be bought before the level is reached but not used until the level achievement on the account.
55:00 The way most private servers deal with this is by deleting all gold on all accounts every 6 months or so. You can have items, and obviously invest money into items to save. But the gold gets reset
Don't see how this solves the problem... couldn't you just "stack" some item in inventory, then sell after the deletion to re-coup potentially deleted funds?
All I ever do in WoW anymore is basically pop into the capital cities on the free version and watch people. I'm basically the WoW equivalent of an old man sitting on a bench watching ducks.
as a 15 year vet aswell yuhp
Stop role playing an old man in game, you’re old in real life might as well do something different in game
@@amberleaf42069 On the other hand, in game no one roleplays the old guy who just wants to relax in WoW. I'm filling a niche. You guys kill big monsters and fight on red or blue team. I'm gonna go fishing and get drunk.
@@amberleaf42069 reminds me of that old dude in .hack roots I think
"old man sitting on a bench watching ducks." - Does it make any happie...er or why?
I don't even play wow but watching wow youtubers is like watching housewives with abusive husbands rationalizing whats wrong in the relationship and then going back with the guy.
I left in cata, never came back
Come back
@@alexsater4676 why would you want them to subject themselves to that nightmare again?
Honestly I've been having fun in classic I'm not gonna lie.
I played some classic, realized that memories are that, memories, it was the people I met along the way, while being my usual loner self, right now I know the game inside out, and it's just trying to re-create a feeling that's long gone.
Also, left after trying to get back in the game, and seeing how wod was legion was bfa, and I don't care about shadow lands (as the story is just so dumb, I can't believe that)
Dont play classic for the nostalgia play it because it’s a good game. You can never recreate a Past time in your life and that’s fine but classic standalone is a great game, I’ve been playing classic for like 8 years now with private servers and now blizz it was never about the nostalgia it’s a good game. Now with TBC out we’re just replaying the golden era of an amazing game. Fuck retail it blows and will never be good again the good developers are long gone, just replay the golden era or move on to another game.
Back in the good old days, paying a tank to come with you in a raid, was like paying a mercenary.
Back when a higher level player actually seemed like this mighty demigod, whereas in retail they're just a pleb who has either done little to earn their gear, or bought it.
@@ConorChaos Which is why when I see some douche in Mythic 15 gear I'm just like " Wow, you've got a decent enough rl wallet size that allows you to spend dumbass amounts of money on fake items. Good work. "
@@ConorChaos
You mean back when you didn't realize that a higher level player actually was pretty much the same pleb as you just with more gametime under his belt?
@Konniptionz
Somehow I feel like you can't complete a 15.
I remember selling portals as a mage was good fun and profitable 📈
@@adselrecom Opening up multiple portals was also fun. Always, always some people click wrong city... And no, I didn't overlap any portals at the time. It was end-of raid portal and I didn't want to piss off other guildies.
Levelling is for me one of the best experiences in this kind of games.
I love getting to experience new zones and quests and unlock new skills.
The gear grinding at endgame becomes old very fast for me.
im with you. I haven't enjoyed raiding much recently specially since people have only been running karazhan and they go in with very bad gear wich ends up going for 4 hours or more. I recently went back to questing and i decided to try min max as much as i can without breaking my bank. So im using enchants , food buffs, weapon buffs, elixirs , scrolls , potions and any nice reasonably priced gear i can buy off ah. I gotta say its a really nice lvling experience that I have never tried before and im really enjoying ( my own little raid).
I really dislike leveling in most MMOs and leveling in classic is pretty high up there. I think the gameplay isn't very fun because you don't have access to a lot of skills and stats that change the experience drastically but I want to make it clear that boosts aren't the solution to this. If the game sucks then improve the game. I wonder why their solution wasn't to increase experience gain. I think Blizzard actually did improve because leveling in some of the expansions was much better and some other developers did an even better job at designing their game to offer a fun leveling experience.
I know right? Levelling is my favourite part of anything new in WoW coming out, I'm the type that stays in zones I've outlevelled just to finish all the quests
Edit: And I've genuinely never used any of my level boosts, I'd rather just get there myself. Shame I can't resell them to somebody that might use them
Best part of the game for me.
@@Vihara2 it literally doesn’t change your game at all. Why does it effect the score?
Have "No Boost/Transfer " servers and see which communities/servers last longer.
I think that's the way. Do some F R E S H TBC servers that don't allow boosts and we'll see in a year which servers have the best communities.
THIS.
Both will die because WoW isnt the best game anymore
Why would they do that? The company has no interest in providing a good game experience, only one that provides the most profit short term.
@@Slanderbot exactly if they did that they would be proven wrong. Its the same reason why north korea outlaws radio broadcasts that originate from outside the country. Its because it would prove how things could be and take away their rationalisation
"already pausing" in chat when he paused at 48 seconds made me laugh out loud
if he didnt pause to talk the doge guy would be right
pausechamp
I never get people who dislike the pause thing. You came here to watch him REACT. Not just to sit there and watch and do nothing. If not, go watch the original video instead, that way they can watch without pausing as much as they want.
So obviously, he will react. And he also wants to follow the rest of the content. Pause -> React -> Unpause -> Watch more of the video. Though i'm sure if it's just a joke at this point or not. But i do know there are people that get genuinely upset at the pausing.
@@kopicat2429 only thing that annoys me (Not asmongold) is when people react but instead of pausing they speak OVER the video
@@Kalamordis Yeah, that's annoying. Even more so since when they do, they miss out on the content happening while said reaction is ongoing.
i spent an hour watching madseasons vid yesterday and now im basically watching the same video the next day except in 2 hours. wtf am i doing,
i was trying not to think about that but now you've made me and i think we both have a problem
Same.
Burning time at my shit job it was also a great video anyway. I watched it twice then this.
Same lol
Same
*WOW* was originally a game about leveling, then it quickly became a game about end-gearing.
Leveling is boring after like the second time. A least with gearing they can mix it up and implement new ways of doing so. But the developers are lazy and stick with tired ass content they keep rehashing every expac
@@KC-py5vq please never play wow ever you donkey
Hear me out here, it's always been about both. 🤯
because it came from D&D, where levelling is done over the entirety of the campaign, and you very rarely spend much time at level cap because you become a god by that point and very little will challenge you
@@KC-py5vq You're ignoring 80% of game for the last 20% are you that dumb? Like seriously leveling can be tedious but if you're going to simply ignore it then there is no point in previous content existing. This is the exact reason why classic wow is as popular as it was and retail isn't.
The problem with being able to pay for extra fast progress is that the developer will often balance and pace the game around the paid experience, squeezing more and more money out of players and making the mid-game a nuisance. You shouldn't want to skip levels 1-58 any more than you would want to skip from Goodsprings to Hoover Dam, or just skipping straight to fighting Hades in Hades. If boosting to the end is considered "skipping the boring part" instead of "gouging 96% of the game out", something is probably wrong. Consider Path of Exile, where the leveling is fast and frequent, and people level new characters to try new builds. The endgame is the big focus for many, but you can have loads of fun casually leveling a character through the story.
The leveling experience was one of the core elements of WoW to begin with. The endgame was only there to keep those who completed their journeys busy. The addition of all these paid services does pervert the core essence of the game to some extent, the same way I probably felt 11 years earlier when Blizzard announced the faction transfer and drastically changed up server populations.
Levling in classic is my favourite thing to do in games without a doubt, just wish I had people to level with ;-;
Same. I like old world content in wow. Just a shame so many take the boost path. Some good news, with tbc announced more people are leveling in the old content again.
I always leveled with my brother but he was never willing to put in the same time as me
Its literally the worst part of the game in my opinion. The world is mostly empty and annoying to travel, the quests have like 5 variations, world pvp is a grief fest, and dungeons take forever to find. at least with raids you have a spectacle.
@@THRAKORZOD That the classic experience baby!
It's the majority of the content for vanilla, and was the best part of the game for me. And was what a large portion of the players ever experienced. The exploration and discovery of the beautifully made WORLD of warcraft was a huge factor in why the community boomed and the game become so successful. The epic scale of the zones, the music, the look dev and style. A realization of the warcraft lore in 3d you could experience as a lowly adventurer.
My theory is that they want classic to stagnate with the introduction of the level boost to drive first time classic players into shadowlands to boost cash shop sales and player retention numbers for retail
nope
@@King_Sad_Boy i don't agree at all, retail is as fun as the guild your in, its your choice not to be social !
@@King_Sad_Boy i am sure they don't miss you either lol.
@@King_Sad_Boy nope elites shit bags that cry about every system they put in are the issue with the game and i will see if the game gets better with their mass exodus does from the game maybe blizzard can make it better with less people crying like retards because a certain system isn't 100% to their liking or convenience. because i have seen time and time again that blizzard bend to the will of these people just for those people to cry and say they removed it wrong lol. these shit bags will find any excuse to cry about what blizzard does so yeah the garbage community is on a mass exodus and i am hoping for the best after they fucking leave lol.
@Rose's Zen Garden i am sure there wrong some times but the player base those at the top never give anything new a shot if it changes the way they play even the slightest they cry lol.
“70 percent of people watching my stream don’t even play WoW anymore” are you implying they like...played at all?
Excuse me! I did play... for a month
@@Francorocco Same exact thing lol. I just like Asmon's content, not the game
what he meant is that BEFORE basically all his viewers played wow, and now that has changed, not that 70% of the people stopped playing
Check the poll again. 3 options were presented: Still playing Shadowlands, quit playing Shadowlands and I don't play wow. So 31% still play Shadowlands, 54% quit playing Shadowlands and 15% don't play WoW.
@@TheSpawnAngelhey bro 2 years later do you feel as if your reply mattered at all in hindsight? If ur still alive lol
The worst part of this is activision blizzard very likely knows all of this, and is counting on people abusing it. Which just means more profits for activision blizzard at further expense of the game.
I tried to play TBC the way it was with a 60 Holy Priest I leveled in Classic, but ended up leveling a new toon in empty zones, that's why I gave it the finger and left.
Didn't even start, although I was excited and during vanilla took a break when TBC came out.
But the way people acted during Naxxramas completely turned me off and I went 'fudge it, not gonna bother..'
Bye Blizzard
Not every game needs to be tailored to every single group, it's great when a dev knows their core audience.
Classic us vs them mentality sprinkled with a hyperbolic proposition
@soulafein82 you clearly dont understand how a business works, or how players work, i'm sure they would be happy if all their original players played and they didnt have to recruit new players, but how many do you think are still playing that were in vanilla?
@@shroomiestshroom3655 Not many, because retail sucks.
'you guys have no phones?' this sums it up perfectly
Gamers themselves are just as much to blame for that with how most only care about the player count of a game and not much else the companies follow that a lot of the bad things gamers bitch about us the fault of gamers and the rest is companies allowing suits to make most of the decisions
-"guys they're not bringing the lvl 58 boost and ignoring our demands for tbc fresh because they're greedy or anything, it's just that people don't want to level up in a mmorpg and they know it...it makes sense right?..."
Meanwhile, in another galaxy, Bobby Kotick gets paid 200 million dollars this year after having fired hundreds of people...
I actually looked into this as social media has its panties in a twist, they laid off those poeple becasue
a) they are disolving the ESports branch and simply put those people have no where else they can go...what is blizzard suppose to do pay them to sit around ?
b) Brexit and Covid made it impossible to transfer the European studios to London so the only other option was laying them off (though everyone got from what ive read a very nice severance package, which blizzard could have been real dicks and simply cut them off)
As for the bonus Blizzard made about 1.5 billion dollars more in just profit than in 2019, so yeah everyone got good bonuses not just the CEO. Honestly i feel for these people who got laid off, having experienced it many times it fucking sucks...but i also understand a business is suppose to make money, and them losing money to accomidate people who they dont have a place for sends a bad message to investors which in the long run can damage a company beyond saving and lead to everyone losing their job (ie the business model of games journalist outlets like Kotaku which are on the verge of chapter 11 becasue of shitty management)
@@TheSilverPhoenix100 No single human being should be making 200 million dollars, no matter how good the results, when employees are underpaid, treated badly, and fired on a whim. That's how it works currently, but it's just plain wrong: people should be paid MUCH more than they currently are in general, not just at Activision-Blizzard, and CEOs way less.
"In the next 10 years i dont see why esports cant rival the major sports in tearms of economics of the oppertunity" -Boby Kotek 2020
@@valaquenta220 Nope 100% disagree, a person should make whatever their services are deamed to be worth, people need to stop caring how much other people make and pretending they wouldnt 100% take that kind of money if it was offered to them, you can be empatheic towards people in a shit situation without having to demonize others who arent
Imagine thinking saving people $60 on a paid service in a 15 year old video game makes any business sense. Nobody gives a fuck, it’s business, and you’re still giving them your money so I’d consider it successful one.
The way I played classic was not to look up any info about what to do, I was clueless when it came to gear, world buffs, mats, talents etc. I asked people in game for help. It re created a feeling for me that I don’t think I will ever get.
Delete your web browsers and bump some ketamine and there 'ya go.
Me to man :) I took forever to hit 60, explored a lot, pvped a lot. Just went on an adventure of discovery in the brand new genre.
I remember once when i was dueling at xroads at level 58, one of the people hanging out and dueling said that I looked like i was level 12 in my mismatched green gear haha.
Sometimes I pause the video and talk into the void about my feelings on the video commenting on the video.
Why did reading this actually break my brain
You should record it and become acommentary youtuber :)
I do that, too. Especially for irrelevant things that I know it'd be a waste of time to talk with other people about, like World of Warcraft.
Yep
@@linkesocke4533 i was about to say the same. XD
This guy sounds like a young Deckard Cain. So tranquil and serene while bashing the shit out of blizzard.
Pay to play and pay more for not to play :D
Wow "community" in a nutshell
You want to level and grind 4 days /played to 60/70? Then dont buy the level boost. How does this affect you in any way? This is literally for people who know what they are doing and want to skip levelling. You will spot the people who never played a class before very very early so they wont get far either.
I dont get how wow community can be so salty over something that doesnt affect them hahaha
@@capitaldcolon1795 I think the biggest issue is the bottlers who now can skip right to the levels where they effect the economy the most. And that effects every single player
You think botters will pay 60€ for EACH ACCOUNT? Not quite sure about that. And even if: why you salty about prices dropping? You want to pay 120 gold for a primal air again?! If i can buy my mats cheap, wheres the problem in that? And you auction house flippers can even make MORE money because you just buy all the cheap shit and relist it at higher prices anyway. I think auction house flippers with "price fixing" hurt the economy way more than people who flood the market with cheap shit. And these people are real players, not botters.
Furthermore:
If i play my warrior, level him to 70, everythings fine. but whenhen my guild needs a holy priest, i can boost a priest and level it faster from 58-70. In my opinion thats helpfull.
I dont get the negativity coming from the wow community, its such a toxic circle jerk its literally unbearable. "STORE TRANSMOG, FUCK YOU BLIZZARD" - then simply dont buy it FFS! Fucking Cancer Aids community, thats why i play retail because i dont have to listen to these stupid complaints in classic Trade chat all the time.
Classic players are just salty sour grapes people, say they dont like retail but constantly talk about it. Seems butthurt to me, like when you get friendzoned by a hot chick and you tell yourself you dont want her anyway and how stupid she is and constantly talk about her.
Classic people are the cancer of wow community.
@@capitaldcolon1795 if blizzard finds a way to stop bots from being able to exist in game the one time boost won't be a big problem I think
I love how chat is so anal about Asmon pausing and commenting on the video. Like obviously, it's called "re-acting" for a reason, you're supposed to sit there eating, preferrably with mic on, or even go to the bathroom for 15 minutes while leaving the video to play, and God forbid you say anything. We want a million copies of the exact same video, just with different titles
Yeah I mean just go watch the video yourself if you don't want pauses plus what's hilarious is the fans harass people who upload asmons streams for stealing money while asmon does this 😂
"I would've had so much more fun leveling in classic if I played on a pve server" I guarantee you he's still gonna play on a pvp server in TBC Classic despite realizing this
idk man, staysafe even said hes doing pve
no he said he was going to play on a pve server for tbc
@@prisonerofthehighway1059 yeah man, back then only the worst scum were ganking and we as a community would hunt them down and call them n00bs
I was initially ok with one 58 boost, this opened my eyes, all points he made totally make sense, now I am 100% againsts boosts, fresh servers seems like the best solution
Boosts where a terrible idea, I can’t believe people needed a 1 hour video to realize it.
Fresh servers not run by blizz*
The boost was the end of me caring about WoW, and I quit a bit after. Not because of what the video said, though valid points. But rather, Blizz flat out told us that their game is so bad that we should pay money to NOT play the game. I play games to be entertained, so if a game comes out with an expedited way to avoid playing, I doubt it would entertain me.
@@Hisdudeness9500 that’s terrible logic but you are a long time WoW player so that checks out.
@@juliotorres3147 I invite you to explain how "that's terrible logic". Otherwise, you're giving off "Bad troll is bad" vibes. If that's the case I'm gonna go ahead and cross the street.
I wish they would remove XP from dungeons when a member in your party is more than 7 levels higher than you. That would drastically slow down power leveling.
Love how the chat has been placed over the in-game *view* that kept the coomers going.
I loved that as soon as people blocked the elves, chat actually started talking about the video.
Dammit
This is one reason why I give it up to the OSRS team at Jagex. They did their best to keep cash shops out of the game.
I mean you say OSRS but OSRS isnt anything like classic wow. Hell, it wasnt even the same game 1 year after release.
@@emilgebl8644 Yea but you cant compare it when Jagex didnt even intend for it to be open longer than a few months. The team had little help.
Yeah, instead OSRS is filled with RMT people and gamblers... cuz Jagex decided it was a good idea to let OSRS become an online money laundering operation...
@@RogueAndroid It's the wild west. Ark: Survival Evolved had people that could mesh through the map, breaking defense mechanics and granting invulnerability, and eventually there was even players that found ways to obtain administrator privileges, and they used them to greater effect than the actual GM's, negating hundreds of thousands of man hours, social engineering, espionage, tens of thousands of real US dollars in backdoor deals, sometimes transferring much of that work to allies in the form of Tribal ownership... the guns would subsequently turn on the inhabitants, as well as the dinosaurs, taken and used against you instantly, completely outside of game design.
What if I told you that the chaos that happened within Ark pales in comparison to what has been possible in RuneScape over the years, and nobody really knows the whole story; internal corruption, onboarding of botmakers, and a lack of player trust chief among reasons that the hands of Jagex are tied to opacity.
This level of absolute degeneracy, this complete disregard for law, for ethics, and for morality, at this extreme of a magnitude can only be a great, glorious thing.
"Greatness, at any cost"
-Bob "The Great One" Maher, Dark Confidant
Watching this officially killed all hope for blizzard. They really did create the wow killer. Themselves. A wonderful decade or more of experiences.
NoChanges was not so much about believing that not changing anything would make the experience exactly the same as it was back in Vanilla.
It was more about simply not trusting Blizzard to make changes to the game.
Faction changing would be cool if there were a dangerous quest involved. Realistically very few of the alliance would take a horde player in. And visa versa. So making you cross enemy lines to defect would be so cool.
Battle passes are like if a Sub fee and a log-in reward had a baby then dipped it into a vat of toxic waste and gave it an experimental vaccine.
Battle passes are really ok in a lot of games.For example,i never paid a thing and managed to get fortnites free battlepass which made me able to buy each one without money ever since.However,doing this in a unbelievably expensive game like wow is complete stupidity.
I think battle passes are ok. There's almost no incentive to buy them if they don't give a competitive advantage. I've played multiple games that had them and never bought one.
Battle passes in most games are pretty cool actually, in dota for example the amount of stuff you get for 10$ once a year is insane
idk. i like battle passes
While blizzard is at it, they should every patch come out with a item level boost, pay 60 dollars and have a chest appear with all TOP BIS gear for your toon
You arent dramatic at all.
@@breakisbad4329 I just find the game really boring now, blizzard uses mythic+ as "new content". When all I see mythic plus as is greater rifts from Diablo 3 and I found that constant grind for a chance of good loot the higher you went shitty, repetitive and boring.
They have 4 different levels of dungeons, normal, heroic, mythic and mythic+ why? Rehashing the same content 4 times is not "new" especially as a new expansion.
When they first released heroic dungeons, sure it was cool it did make them harder but now it's just stupid, they have also did this to raids by adding the LFR, Normal, Heroic and Mythic.
I find it very boring to be trying to clear the same content over and over and over and over on different difficulties just for the gear and effort to be useless come the next patch.
It's why I quit retail and only play classic now, idc if it is easier than retail at least there is only 1 version of the content and once I am done running that stuff for the week I do whatever else I want.
@@acillius2 you can literally just run mythic and be done with it. Don't know what you are complaining about
@@samueldjekki6399 so then why is normal and heroic a thing then why don't they just get rid of it
@@acillius2 cause shitters need to have some sort of progression. Normally mythic bosses are harder than entire classic raids. You need to have difficulties that cater to those people. There's really only a small minority actually clearing mythic. Like 2% of playerbase small.
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LOL
@@splitloopgaming3523 Jesus man he wasn't saying it's a bad thing :u
What do you expect? Just watching him watch the video? Whats the point of that?
@@Rysix19 nervously laughs in xQC
@@Rysix19 nope that's why we like Asmon he can make anything into content
Regulars React channels
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I still love levelling in games. A lot of my favourite experiences are there. Questing, seeing it all for the first time.
Once you're into endgame grind a lot of games fall off for me, honestly. The love I developed while levelling keeps me invested.
I started playing retail during TBC, all my friends were levels 40+, and you only got your first mount at level 40. I grinded and caught up to them dinged 70 about a month after the last one, no need for boosts.
"They don't have time to play the game which is why they want the boost but that's the whole reason the game changed to the point where they wanted Classic in the first place."
Nail on the fucking head right there.
"Now you can skip the game for a small fee!"
"No... wait...!" :D
Waiting the release of Classic 2
They can leave the level boost out and all that but those attunements gotta go!
Nail on the fucking head. Unsub dude. Show blizzard with our wallets. Let them eat the filth they created and take the power back.
Wow was good because everything took time to farm and get better gear, now gear is so diluted nothing matters except for item level.
Asmongold looks like an AI avatar from the Anno games because whenever you do an action with them they move their heads and their facial features around a lot.
That explains why he's so fun to watch.
the eyebrows 🤣
Expressiveness is imperative to the art of showmanship.
It's like in Japanese Kabuki theater where the performers wear masks with exaggerated facial expressions.
@@JoeKing69 "It's like in Japanese Kabuki theater where the performers wear masks with exaggerated facial expressions." You are WAY too cultured for this comment section.
@ Archvaldor's Warcraft Hacks lol dude I used to watch your videos your channel intro is hilarious.
I'm leveling in classic for the first time and that's the best experience I had in year with WoW. I agree there's great things in retail but madseason got it right on boost services.
I know this is an older video, but the sold boosts killed my excitement for tbc. One of the best experiences i miss from MMOs is seeing my investment in the game providing a return, on an equal playing field with other legitimate players, without microtransactions devaluing effort put in. If you dont have the time to invest in an MMO, then maybe it isnt for you. I say this as someone who only briefly played classic but was looking forward to tbc. Leveling makes you invested in your character, you see value as a result of your effort and so are invested in the game itself. Instead now all you see is a ton of people who you just assume bought boosts, because thats more likely than not the case. Now if you qctually play the game you are simply being less efficient. Yeah you could level a new character, but if you do you're just a chump for spending a couple weeks leveling instead of just working your day job for a couple hours to pay for a boost. Or if you literally cannot afford the boost, you just feel like a second class customer. Its the kind of psychological manipulation that has been destroying blizzard games, and i was looking forward to avoiding. So instead its just a pass for me
I love one of the first comments I see is literally the type of person he describes in the beginning. Your feelings aren’t everyone’s feelings. Yet, your whole argument is everyone should have your feelings and everything that’s not your feelings is wrong. Hilarious.
MMOs aren’t really for anyone seeing as it requires people to play more than anyone should be playing any game. A game stop being one the moment it turns into chores.
that was an unexpectedly insightful discussion of the slippery slope fallacy in the middle there
slippery slope isn't a fallacy
"How many more people are going to play if we let them pay to save their time?"
I'd respond to that with
"How many other people are going to quit because they have to work for something that other people paid real money to skip?"
You can skip it too. If you really wanna quest hinterlands again, no one is stopping you.
@@stevenp25100 I don't even play wow. But imagine paying money to not play a game.
@@Nick-ij5nt of course you don't. Most the streamer simps don't. The point is your paying to play the game you want to play not the old 1.
@@stevenp25100 Wrong, most of the simps still do play because they're too blind to see how shit the game actually is and you're proving my point without evening realizing it. If the game was actually good then you wouldn't need to pay money to skip any of it.
@@Nick-ij5nt he literally did a poll in this video and 75% said they don't play. And considering your watching a video about a game you don't play; you're not 1 to talk.
biggest issue I have with the boost is that it'll p much make your leveling experience pointless. you could spend months leveling depending on your schedule- yet some dude with a card could just pass you in 5 seconds.
edit: the 58 requirement does make it much better now tho
Let me take you back 10 years. You're a new player and you're in your game's capital city, dressed in whatever ragged items the quest rewards decided to hand out to you. There are a lot of max level characters around. You take your time to look at these characters, to get a sense of what end-game looks like through the gear they have. You see an item that is so much more powerful than anything you've seen so far, and it gets you excited. Fast forward, you're now also max level! You've made it to the place you looked up to a while ago. But, now there's another kind of people you look up to. It's those that have done the content at the hardest difficulty. The real "heroes" of your game. You look at their gear, titles and maybe achievements too, and you think to yourself: "someday I'll be that cool".
Contrast this to now;
The gear you see them wearing, you've probably also seen something similarly powerful in a dungeon drop (not numbers wise obviously). The gear you're picking up has an overlaying outfit so you also look cool, even as level 12.
Now you're max level and you look at these people and you're not even sure if they actually did it or just bought the achievements.
That's what "catering to the people with little time" have done to MMORPGs to me. It has destroyed all sense of wonder and accomplishment in the game.
@@Azrayl Uh...? Have I insulted you somehow?
@@Azrayl hes right tho
The weird part is that leveling is by far the most casual part of the game. You can make lots of progress and see cool stuff and get new abilities even if you play just a few hours a week. It isn't until you hit the end game and have to compete with the hard cores it starts to suck. I don't see how skipping the most casual part of the game benefits casual players. No casual player has the time to do all the grinds and crap you have to do in the end game.
TBC was my intro to wow and I fell in love with the grind. Literally everything about it. I loved the way you could mix skill trees and play the way you liked.
I'm looking forward to playing TBC-Classic because I liked the classes more. I don't really care one way or the other about outlands, truth be told. I want to go back to the base world of TBC, with the races, classes, specs and abilities which existed in TBC. The people who just want to boost in order to hit the raid content - imo - are hastening how quickly TBC-C will go dead. If you're 70 in a couple of days, rather than a couple of weeks, you do your raid progression then log off, until the next raid comes out. Unless you're a PvPer obviously, but even then - you get your gear then what? Boosting gives you *a* week, maybe two, of content, then nothing.
So you think forcing people into months of old world content is going to help? No they just won't play at all
@@stevenp25100
Quote: *"you think forcing people into"*
It's a game you voluntarily play - you voluntarily pay money to play it - you're not being *forced* to do anything.
@@ObservingLibertarian that was my whole point. If you put stupid time gates into a game people will just not play. You can't force people to do anything. Making something take more time is the laziest way to make something hard
@@stevenp25100
Quote: *"Making something take less time is the laziest way to make something hard"*
Does not compute.
@@ObservingLibertarian yeah I edited it before you even responded but jump on the mistake because your argument sucks
This feels like the beginning of the end.
let's not make a chicken out of a feather, but yes it seems generally a bad thing.
The beginning? Its the end of the end. Wow has been dying since draenor. Legion patched the wound but not for long.
@@Froggeh92 I think he meant of the classic era.
Edit: Also, Blizzard has done a lot of redeeming stuff in recent times, such as giving us Classic, giving us TBC, giving us a bunch of stuff we asked for in Shadowlands like unpruning and more.
@@SkellyHell why do you think retail is stale. By all accounts it seems like a solid expansion.
@@hejalll I get it if you are addicted to the game but your company is completely degenerate.I would be ashamed to support it at all at this point.
Wow. cannot believe theyre putting boosts in TBC classic. what a shame. Early classic was such an amazing experience too. We thought they were learning! We thought they were listening to us! lol guess not
Early classic was great, everyone was there.
Early TBC, mostly everyone is in Outlands and the new guy is alone killing murlochs.
See the difference?
Except people coming for TBC want TBC not classic. 1-58 content is irrelevant in TBC why should people have to spend several days /played just to start what they came for? If they wanted to play classic vanilla they would've played classic vanilla.
@@MikeTall88 speaking as someone who quit wow years ago and used to be a hardcore player (10+ hours a day back in middle school/ Hs) the same game design philosophy that created all the expansions we hated- cata, wod, bfa etc is the philosophy behind the level boost. The idea of making things more accessible has counter intuitively made blizzard less money because their previous core of gamers decided the game was no longer worth playing. Think about the player counts in vanilla, bc and wotlk vs cata, mop, and wod. Tf is the point of playing a game where 1/2 the experience is removed by a paid service? All it does is decrease the amount of time spent in game per player which leads to less attachment which is a death knell in a subscription based game. Blizzard catering to the “make it more accessible” crowd allowed for the creation of store mounts, dungeon and raid finder, and nearly every other problem that made this game unplayable and no longer fun. By your logic, why not add LFR to BC? It would make the raids more accessible. I don’t play WoW anymore because I have too many obligations to play it seriously, and because I don’t like playing games casually, but the casual experience in early wow was always an alternative experience to the hardcore raiders/pvpers, not a watered down parallel experience. In vanilla if you were a casual player you slowly got to 60 did a bunch of dungeons and never got past molten core, but that was fine because blizzard used to recognize it is more fulfilling to have multiple content paths for different kinds of players. The boost just puts casuals on a watered down and necessarily less fulfilling version of the hardcore path, which, at the end of the day, benefits nobody.
@@MikeTall88 with that mentality, are you one of those who cheats the first playtrough of a game? Like wtf.
@@foerfan6400 no it just a moot who is really crying about this people who already have level 60 toons what are they crying about really does the boost effect them no so they have to make shit up like well crafting and the economy will go to shit like oh really that is your number one complaint is the economy lol. i thought it was about the game play the economy is nothing unless you're a hard core AH person in which case any economy is good economy if your actually good at making gold lol. its all crying for nothing lol. 1-58 is relevant no one is there just like in retail every expansion everyone stays in the new zones and never go back to the old content unless it is to do old raid for transmog once a new expansion comes out only that current content matters it always been that way lol.
With this many comments I'm sure this one will get lost but leveling up through the game naturally and then having someone boost is such a slap in the face. Being proud that you were able to stick it out and make it max and invest the time, energy, and everything else is part of the fun. "I did this." is one of the biggest motivators. So, having someone come along and boost to that level feel so shitty. Even if it's exclusive to accounts that already have a character that's max level on classic servers, it still feels bad. When you look out over a sea of people and you don't know who did the work and who is boosted, then no one did the work.
I remember playing when Lich King came out and this same conversation happened the first time. It sucked then and it sucks now.
@@Dragonking1984 Poor take, seriously poor take.
I wish people would stop thinking of leveling as just increasing numbers to reach maximum power instead of a consequence of your accumulating the experience of adventuring in the World of Warcraft.
Sure mate, go kill Boars in Westfall for 20hrs cause the quest Item has a droprate of 0.05% and do that for 4 Chars and lets talk about meaningful experiences in WoW again.
It sounds like they forgot what an RPG is. WoW is for people to immerse themselves in the sequel of Warcraft 3 whether it be doing quests, exploring areas within the world, PvPing, etc. It's not meant to be a short-term progression. Yes, Raids are great, but they were never the whole thing. If these people didn't like having to level up just so that they could do the high level stuff (since that sounds like all they cared about), they shouldn't have played the game in the first place.
@@Luminus2 no it having to play the same boring quest 20 times that lead to this if they made leveling fun it wouldn't be a problem but they never do so its still a problem to this day lol. raid are great and gear is the most important thing in most mmos leveling is just a moot point or a time gate to the better gear no one plays for this so called adventure or exploring lol.
@@userunknown1030 That's because they're lazier than ever.
@@user-wc3ez4kw4l you are greatly exaggerating the tedium of completing quests for emotional impact. It is tacky and weakens your argument.
On the topic of multiple characters, it is a recent development that the average player expects to play an "account" with 5-8 characters they cycle through. The monotony and frustration a player feels when trying to acquire multiple maxed out characters is 100% by design. You are meant to get invested in a single character, and that's YOU in that game world. It was exceedingly rare back in the day for the average player to have even two max level characters.
I don't think either system is better than the other, but I do think it's unwise for the people that want to play a whole bunch of characters to pitch a giant fit when they enter a system designed around a low quantity of active characters per account
To put short. They're literally just rinsing and repeating but quicker. Classic is just gonna become like retail lmao.
@@RomeEmpire123 kinda missed the point didn't ya?
Yes... what did you think was gonna happen? There is no way that they are going to make new expansions for classic so it's just gonna go until WOTLK probably and then just keep the servers up until the company goes out of business years down the line
Ah, time for my daily dose of Asmon reacting to something I have no stakes in. Time to grab the popcorn
Here is how I see it. An MMO is largely character building. You level up your character, train skills, get gear and supplies and tackle challenges (whether it's dungeons, bosses, raids or something else), to get better loot (gear, recipes, supplies etc.), so you can tackle even higher tier of content and that cycle stacks on top of each other nicely, like a multi-tiered cake, until you reach some form of endgame.
A character boost, in my opinion, completely shits on that concept. You pay some fee to skip a large part of the game, so you can arrive at the finish line without investing time. OK, but where is your cake? Exactly, you don't got one. At best, you have a single tirered cake, two if one is being generous in their assumption.
My point is, by buying a character boost to reach the end game, you are essentially skipping that which makes an MMO, a MMO. It's not the relationships with people, the higher end content or anything else. It's making a character, starting from nothing and building it up and making said character a badass. That's what an MMO is all about at It's core. Why would you voluntarily skip all that?
It's like if you started a narrative focused game and paid some money to skip to the end of it. What was the point of purchasing the game then? You saw the ending, but what about before it? What about the buildup, the tension? Did you understand it (the game and the story) or it's messages by skipping the whole thing and only seeing the end?
That's how I view this situation. You just skip to the endgame and all you get from it is the fact that your wallet is lighter. Endgame content is not everything people, realise it. It's not the destination that is important, it's the journey. That cake building i talked about earlier.
@@matous2542 Mate there isn't anything exclusive in the end game for you to want to buy a boost. Current vanilla max lv players will reach the new cap and go through the content in about 1 month, maybe 2 for the slower players. There is no rush to reach the end game, you will have access to endgame content no matter when you reach it. Also just because the boost isn't max lv that still doesn't make it ok, you still skip over half of the leveling experience without even entering 2 zones.
@@matous2542 A major part of an MMO's meat and bone is PVM. While PvP has a pretty big role in MMO's, it takes a back seat to PVM'ing. Paying for the game, the monthy fees, the dlc's and the character boost to boost to near max just because you want to exclusively engage in high end PvP is in my opinion a very shallow, very selfish and very stupid reason to even engage in MMO's in the first place.
If you genuinely want to do PVP, you can engage in games that have that as it's selling point. PvP is, more often than not, far from even being in the top 5 reasons to get into MMO's.
Why are you talking if you don't even understand why people are angry? Did you even watch the video to try to understand? It's simple, If one can boost their character to near max, it devalues the grind, effort and time others have went and put into their character, because some random schmuck with a deep wallet can pay his way to near max level without going through any hardship and without putting any time into it. It's discouraging and disheartening. In my opinion, if those people you talk about want to experience the endgame, they ought to go through the same journey everyone else had to go through. That is true fairness - making the player adapt to the game, not the other way around. You should either grind like the rest of us or if you don't want to put the effort and time in, leave. If you can't put that time and effort for one reason or another than you also leave. It's tragic that you don't have time to spend, but a game developer shouldn't bend backwards and compromise on the game so as to accommodate someone who would rather skip a vast majority of it so that he can engage in the endgame content. Let's not even talk about how this opens the gates for more aggressive monetization.
Let's not even talk about that, as I said, it's not the destination(endgame) that defines MMO's, it's the journey(leveling up and progression) you go through to reach it. Skipping huge part of it completely misses the point of MMO's.
It’s sad that what you’re saying seems to be controversial
I've always been of the opinion that the level boost should have been just that - an EXP boost that helps you progress faster, but still "forces" you to level in the areas they've made. This way the game still holds true to its roots while still respecting other player's time, should they need it - and also keeping towns and zones alive. This also means Blizz can still charge for such a service without hurting the spirit and the point of the game itself for the mass majority. Kinda like EXP boosts in Warframe.
1:21:32 Asmongold admitting he did something "interesting" back in TBC
1:34:01 'He is a Venthyr now' LOL
The WotLK commentary is spot on, Wrath was fun to play at the time, but it fundamentally changed the game in a way that removed my desire to play once the storytelling stopped carrying the franchise.
Yep, others have been saying this for years. Wrath was the beginning of the end. It was like a stage 1 cancer... nothing is obviously wrong at the time and you're still going on with life as normal having a great time. But it introduced a lot of the fundamental mindset changes that radically transformed WoW down the road. And it helped that those changes came in the expansion who's story was all about Arthas and finally getting a conclusion to the events in Warcraft 3.
I actually think the way his mind goes straight to drugs when making an analogy about the game is spot on. The game is a despotic drug dealer, at first the highs are childhood memories and when adulthood gets tough they turn to drugs, but unlike drugs where it's a dealer you have this company as the pusher trying to mimic the childlike highs. They will never manage it...ever.
And yet fails to realize he's one of the many junkie's of that drug/game, trying to reach that high they will NEVER reach again..
Saying a battle pass is almost a subscription is honestly one of the dumbest things Asmon has ever said...
This all seems so utterly alien to me. I walked away from WoW so long ago I can't remember the boost being an option, and now I'm playing FFXIV where the leveling experience is actually fun. It's like they're saying "give us money to take away a large chunk of the actual fun gameplay" and they might as well be speaking German for all I understand it.
Madseason hasn’t been posting anything because he was waiting for Asmongold to come back to streaming and react to his video. widepeepoHappy
Ik you're joking but it's probably just convenient timing since he did spend 120 hours on the vid lol.
@@doctorcdub2413 yeah, it was a joke tbf. Btw, i suspected that he spent huge amount of time on this vid(it only takes 1h of successful voice over and there are a lot of other stuff), but 120 is just wow, incredible
@@EvilsoriHC Right? I can't IMAGINE being that passionate about a subject like that.
@@doctorcdub2413 agreed. Also let’s consider that lvl boosting is definitely not the topic you can think of getting an hour long video about
@@EvilsoriHC honestly anybody that says madseason doesn't LOVE WoW at this point are insane it was already clear but the work he put into this just hammers it home
"Need raid comes out and its called meth!" LMAO
Asmon, I stupidly transfered my 60 Lock to a PvE server to play with a friend from work. He quit, guild died, server died, and since I didn't read transfer rules I didn't know I had just damned my main to PvE limbo. So I'm rebuilding my main on PvP and starting over fresh, and I'm actually having fun. Not even boosting, there are a lot of people who are not mage boosting either. Lot of people are playing like they did at release right now. Good time to work on that alt.
First comment I read that was not whining, good job, have a like.
Btw The very first Items in game that are sold for real cash are the Collector Edition Pets (Diablo / zergling and Pandaren)
Love these hour long videos keep em coming
I used to describe WOW as Vice City with dragons and dwarfs.
Vice city was so good years after release I was still playing left it at my old place so I could move on.
I was becoming CJ lol
Instead of giving players a lvl boost, they should give out exp multipliers. You'd still have people in the old world, and, more importantly, you'd get more player interaction, since more people would need to group for difficult quest, due to worse equipment during lvling.
Adding to that, they could change the multiplier every so often, to change the optimal lvling strat, so that botters would need to adept more often. (Tho I'm not sure on that one tbh)
No, they should rework open world so leveling is fun, so doing things in the open world is fun, so you can play with friends without trivializing every fight, so there is things to do in the open world. Then you would see players in the open world.
This is actually a good idea tbh. You'd still have to level / be part of world but you could get through the slog much faster. I like it.
@@laharlkent that doesn't punish bots, that punishes players for grinding. Bota dont give a fuck about low xp rates if they getting items. In wow classic i commonly would find the next zone too hard and be forced to grind in the current for levels and gear
Yeh but they can’t make money off of that so yah.
It seems like MMO players hate the thought of other MMO players not having to suffer through playing the game like they had to.
Crazy logic from everyone involved...
i played 2 months of classic as warlock and hit 60, did my first raid and got the warlock mount but the leveling was so fun having a decent guide on how to gear my self and what dungeons to do that was the part i really liked and the natural group looking in zones to kill an elite mob
People say leveling is important, but go on to any WoW Classic community like Reddit, Discord or even TH-cam, what do they care about? Raiding and pvpving and how to min/max all that shit. Most WoW players don't care about leveling, they just pretend to care because they want to be seen as virtuous or something. But in reality they want to reach max lvl as fast as possible and to start playing "the real game" aka do the endgame stuff. If people wanted to level up, mage boosting wouldn't exist, but most servers are full of it. I wonder why. To most WoW players leveling is basically filler, all they wanna do is raid log and that's it. That's the whole game to them. Back then, when Classic and TBC was released, this wasn't the attitude, but now everything is entirely different, the people are entirely different. Boosting wouldn't exist if people wouldn't use it, but WoW players love this shit, they just don't want to admit it. Same with buying gold.
It's part of the game. But once you reach level 60 you "can't" care about the leveling part anymore and you have to focus on raiding/PvP. Nothing new here. But still a lot of people level alts which is leveling content.
And yes, mage boosting is bad too Blizzard should fix it.
Man, I can see that you're a decent guy so I'll just crush this wall of text on you.
What you said is true, and this is why I don't think a lot of people will even support Madseason's arguments. Back in 2004-2007, the attitude was different only because the game was still growing in players, and it was growing fast, meaning that every server had more genuine new levelers than it had raiders. I do think that re-leveling new characters, casually raiding on alts and doing wPvP is infinitely fun and is something I could do for another 10 years, with new friends from real-life and other random players, and with little breaks from the game every now and then. I'm definitely in the minority here, though, but this is totally the idea that Nostalrius had when asking Blizzard for vanilla WoW servers, and when J. Allen Brack said in an interview that Classic "would be there forever like a museum".
So you can still play the old game if you want, on Classic Era.
Classic hasn't been perfect in executing vanilla WoW, but it did its best and it's been a lot of fun for those who knew what they wanted. Classic was born from Nostalrius and the Legacy community, but TBC-Classic is now born from Classic WoW. That's a shame for everyone who wanted TBC more than vanilla, but I don't get those people anyway because in my opinion, "expansions" were a bad idea all along, just like any catch-up gear and raids. They are bad in how they were not "expanding" the game, but rather limiting it and fitting everything in a smaller box instead.
We'll see how TBC-Classic plays out. I'll definitely rather NOT play the game for the love of it, than try to enjoy it and not pay attention to its real greatness being ruined. Whether it's ruined by the players, by the company, or by both - doesn't matter. I'd never get burned out but it's not a tough decision to quit TBC if that's the right thing to do.
Asmon says "I'm a fan of attunements, but only if they are account-wide, not character-wide". This is exactly an example of an old, bored WoW player that just doesn't want to repeat the same gameplay on numerous characters and doesn't want to get more bored. But you DO get bored if you grind the fuck of the game. This is only a game made by a bunch of humans, you can't be excited with it FOREVER. That's the attitude of retail players and the way of development of retail WoW - they just build systems on top of systems, for players that chase excitement and dopamine. The only gameplay that is truly "endless fun" is RP. While RP isn't for everyone, RP elements are everywhere in the old WoW. So you gotta take the game partly as RP, as a world, not as a system. That's how you enjoy the game forever. Play it, don't make science or a job out of it.
People are always going to choose the path of least resistance, even if they don’t like it. Look at how many people oppose worldbuffs yet get them every week.
The biggest benefit from levelling is not even mentioned. Skill. Growing with your character while it develops in XP and gear makes you better able to play it skillfully. Nobody that boosts a character can ever hope beat soneone whos grown their character naturally.
I never boost in an MMO atleast personally for me it is so hard to go from no skills to 20+ skills and understand how all of them work together atleast when you spend the time to level you get the skills slowly and learn how they work together as you get them 1 by 1 it's like the difference between dumping a 100 piece puzzle out of a box and not separating the pieces and putting the puzzle together piece by piece starting with the corners and sides.
All of my buddies stories of them playing during TBC back in the day the stories of them leveling in classic zones.
everquest has servers for people like at 8:34, they are 'classic' servers, that start you out at level 51/70/85 and they don't stick around forever, they progress 2-3 months per expansion, and then merge into live servers when done.
for multibox, if it means the same thing it does in everquest where you play more than one account a pc, then why get rid of it? I use to play up to 5 characters in everquest at once because no one would let me group with them after 8 hours of lfg, while I was among the best geared berserkers who was even grouping at the time, being one of the higher dps classes at the time. for everquest, boxing was the only way to even play the game. granted once mercs came out boxing lost a lot of its need due to an npc to take a tank/healer/dps roll, but some classes that is not enough if you want to play them. then there is the player base that sucks dick at the game and top people either don't let you in their groups, or dont even play the game outside of raid. hell I wont even play the game without my friend playing due to every other tank sucking in comparison. keep in mind, we both play without the use of bots, just either good alt tabbing, or in his case running 5 laptops.
@@alidan What do you think happens when one person is multi-boxing a full raid group of 40 characters controlling all of them at the same time with the same inputs, all moving perfectly on top of each other? They press one aoe ability which gets repeated 40 times and instantly kills every player around them, etc.
Crazy how good blizzard is at destroying good things
was it that good if adding a boost was enough to kill for those who where already at max level lol. that seems to be the only people bitching about lol. people who are already max level crying about something that makes no difference to them.
Holy macaroni... Asmon's twitch chat is something from another universe...
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@@evangreen4371 are you good
in these reaction videos, if you see them spaming something unrelated to the video, it probably because of the spergs that show pop in-game while his watching youtube. It could be female characters dancing, or someone say stuff. Usually it's blocked by the editor placing the chat in the space where they show up.
Nah man, cancer and aids both exist in this universe
"People can level an alt!"
World of Altcraft
18:00 love the honesty of recognizing when your own train of thought has derailed :P
8:20 why doesn’t blizzard just do what they started doing in BFA where you talk to an NPC that takes you to a different world. Basically you have one world where all the hardcore players play. AND the casual scrubs have their own world that starts at lvl 58 or whatever they want to start at. If they don’t want to start from level 1 all over again.
I bet blizzard hasn’t even thought of this since this is something that just clicked in my head.
Let’s be real. This is just Blizzards attempt to make money from gold buying. 95% of people who were paying gold to boost characters was buying the gold. Anyone disagreeing is kidding themselves. This is blizzard saying “we can just offer it to make sure we are getting the money instead”. It’s greed simple as that. Call it smart business, but we all know why they’re doing it.
Meanwhile they are giving away a game they could 100% sell
I wouldn't call what blizzard is doing smart business.They have managed to have one of the worst if not the worst reputation as a gaming company in our current days.
@@Dionisisdenis people bitch but they still play
15-16 years ago in vanilla I don't remember anyone doing this mage boost powerleveling thing. Maybe I forgot but I don't recall that type of gameplay back then. Do you all remember if it was done then?
Sustaining an argument and explaining fallacies to Twitch chat:
To point something out Asmon said it doesn't take blizzard 30$ to transfer character or race change etc. It doesn't all it takes is a gm to target you and type a command.
A counter to this would be that it's easy to say this singularly, but Blizzard likely receives, organizes, and executes thousands of these per day/week, which takes employees and time. Maybe it's a thing a GM can easily do, but it's not like someone is hitting up the GM and saying "hey can you transfer me? Here's $30." The request is processed by employees, verified, and pushed down to the people who make it happen. That means Blizzard is on the hook for that time and resources to make it happen, which means they have to pay employees to do those jobs (among other jobs), which costs money.
The thing that gave me the go-ahead to grind like a no-life freak was the assumption that the grind would be respected. Do you really think I'd run Strath 32 times trying to get some bis gear to drop if I thought someone could pay money to get the same item instead? I absolutely would not.
58:00 it's like they tried putting out the fire with napalm 😂😂😂
When it comes to boosts. Unironically, they think they want a boost, but they don't.
Or there are people that want to play tbc but have no interest in replaying classic?
Don’t play lol
@@DirtyWizard334 well, yeah, I won't. I'm just gonna use my boost and play tbc.
The leveling from 1-60 after the TBC patch releases will be much faster than it is currently so I doubt many will buy the boost anyway.
And then the new raid comes out and it's called "METH" lmfao
asmong actually showered pog
Our boys looking fresh
Don't worry about it, I'm sure we'll see the return of his grease tendrils soon enough.
24:00 you can bar the transfers with a cooldown and it still be free
8:30 - I'm someone who bought the boost because I haven't played WoW in 12 years and need something to do with my off time that isn't just more job. But I played the heck out of levels 1 to 60 long ago. I have ZERO desire to go through it again.. and I'm currently re-farming level 0 to max herbs and dying inside while I do it.
There's no chance I would have signed up without the boost being an option.
On the topic of saying the leveling in the game is bad so to "fix" it they added the boost to skip it. I agree with how destructive it is. Look at eso for example. The player base was dying because leveling just sucked balls. So they improved it byremoving the level requirements for quest and allowing the player to pick and choose what they wanted to do. Instead of doing half good quests and half shifty ones, you get to just do the good ones and reap the benefits for doing it.
ESO was doomed to fail the moment when they decided to make the came console friendly. You don't make mmos around a controller, you make mmos around mouse and keyboard. ESO was such a disappointment it's unbelievable.
He was right boys. Embrace the wow tokens, they'll come to hc and era too in one way or another.
When are people going to realize the best and most enjoyable part of any game is the grid and leveling up , How can you have any pride in your character if you just buy it ?
I mean it doesn't make you good buying boosts , It makes you good the more you play the game.
When I played it back in 2011 I loved the grid , I couldn't wait to max out a character so I could start over on a alt.
I agree. I've never played an MMO but I'd feel so shitty if I bought my levels
18:03 was the best pause to answer the question. Gotta give Bobby more Yachts and private jets to buy.
1:38:40 I don't have time for leveling. It was a pain to level up and grind heroics for pre-raid, but now I'm able to raid and that's all I do.
I have like 3-4 hours a week to raid with my friends and it's working fine that way. I have 1 lvl 80 and an alt dk.
If I started playing nowadays, I'd totally boost a character, but I'd never buy gold.
I wish I had more time like I used to, 12 years ago.
There are several kinds of players and no one can tell you how you should play the game
"you don't have time to level, you should quit MMO" not everybody makes a living by playing video games all day or have tons of hours to spend grinding.
I've noticed when using cheats in any game is enjoyable in a game because it gives you a new experience to enjoy. This can be fun for a short while but you get bored easily as your cheat plays the majority of game for you. What's even the point of getting the game if you don't play it yourself? I feel cheats are best after you finish playing it normally.
The argument that some people don't have enough time to play the game I say as someone who also lacks time for some games, is dumb as hell. If you don't have time to play a video game that's life's way of telling you shouldn't be playing this game. This doesn't mean you can't play games. You just need to play the ones you do have time for.
I don't play muti-player action games because it takes too much time to get good enough at the game, know the levels and tricks. If you don't do this then your pretty much a bullet magnet. Not fun at all. It's not because I can't get good because before I had to work for a living I rocked at these games. But now I just don't have the time.
I do just fine in MMO's because you can actually play at your own pace. You may not be the first to try out the new content but as I don't have as much time as some others anyway it's better to die less by watching vids on new raids and run with experienced players that know what they're doing works better with my more limited time. On average beat them on the first run with minimal deaths and move on to collecting my loot. I don't have to be the Top Dog in the game to still enjoy it and I feel confident enough in my skills that I don't drag the other players down. I get a lot that do. I feel the main reason so many people hate boosters is because nothing is more frustrating than doing a run with a max level tank or healer in an easy dungeon that has no idea what they're doing at all bringing wipe after wipe. We've all been there. Or a level 70 tank with level 35 gear. AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!
For all those who wish to boost. If you don't want grief for boosting then for heaven sake. Don't look like a booster by playing the game like you don't know wich end of the sword your holding to point towards the monsters. If no one can figure out your a booster then there will be no grief.
I'll never boost myself because I find if you don't want to play a leveling game through leveling then your playing the wrong game. If you want a game you can play without a major time investment then I recommend sticking with cellphone games. They got you covered.
That kind of depends on the cheat, there's a number of games where I cheat because without cheating I can't access much of the game because that's how the game is designed(it's supposed to be "you do things differently in different playthroughs", I get that, but I like having everything too much :D)
The slippery slope "fallacy" is not a fallacy. Every single thing that has been called a slippery slope fallacy has turned out to be 100% accurate so far. Calling it a fallacy was just an attempt to discredit people pointing out the result of certain positions.
It's called a fallacy because they are usually inconvenient to politicians or people with political agendas.
it sucks because I feel as if I'm at a disadvantage if I don't use the boost.
I always feel like boosting is only great if you feel bored about your current class, character, you fancy a certain race or class and want to switch the end game character, continue on where your old char was.
I have the best fix for the boosting character issue. Make the boost locked behind a level achievement. WoW retail = level 50 on any char to unlock a level boost for another char. TBC classic = 1 char must reach level 58 to unlock the boost. The boost can be bought before the level is reached but not used until the level achievement on the account.
55:00 The way most private servers deal with this is by deleting all gold on all accounts every 6 months or so. You can have items, and obviously invest money into items to save. But the gold gets reset
Don't see how this solves the problem... couldn't you just "stack" some item in inventory, then sell after the deletion to re-coup potentially deleted funds?