Hey Everyone! Thanks for watching this video, I have an update for the MSI Suprim Liquid X card. MSI said my GDDR6X VRAM temp readings look hotter than expected, and I will be returning the card to them so they can check if there's anything wrong with the cooler mount or otherwise. The card performed as I showed you though so I'll be leaving this video up, but I've added two links to the description with reviews from other channels -- Techtesters (who showed gaming VRAM temps in the 74-77C range) and Optimum Tech (who showed 80-82C VRAM temps during a Furmark stress test). Other MSI Suprim Liquid X Reviews - Optimum Tech: th-cam.com/video/TmbOew3HIZk/w-d-xo.html Techtesters: th-cam.com/video/kiza_FTzbHU/w-d-xo.html
Paul I doubt you'll see my message but I just picked up a 4090 suprim liquid x and I have afterburner 4.6.5 and newest Nvidia driver. My card runs 2865mhz stock settings and my power limit let's me go to 125%. Edit- just figured out why, I have a different bios then you. @Paul'sHardware
@@paulshardware I have a lazer gun that reads temp. I use this on vehicles a lot, this might be a more accurate easy solution since you can point it between the fins and get an actual temp reading.
@@GraphicFrostthat’s not how those work. The laser is just a guide for where it’s pointing but the shape of what is reading temp is a cone that expands the further away it goes. Also it can reflect off metal
I really enjoy this type of comparison. Seems like the raw performance is pretty equal. But if you have a network, sound, or storage card installed then the MSI might be a winner due to space. And if you want something quieter, then Gigabyte gives you that with their fan/cooler design. And of course if you want the most aesthetically pleasing, just pick your favorite and don't worry too much about losing performance.
I've heard it suggested elsewhere that Nvidia are binning their GPUs and keeping the best for their own FE cards - which further makes the value proposition for 3rd party cards challenging. This was part of the discussion when EVGA left the market and how they couldn't make a profit when directly competing with Nvidia - particularly when their solutions with increased cooling and power delivery were having to try make up for the silicon itself potentially being slightly less-capable.
150 premium on AIO is not a bad deal at all - for comparison, just a water block from AlphaCool for custom loop will set you back more than that. The question is whether this time around they used appropriate materials or it's still bound to corrode through and terminally fail after few months of use. Both MSI and Gigabyte released junk for 30 series in this regard.
@@justinvanhorne9958 Seems to be the case for all RTX 40 series to be honest - I'm yet to see any available for it's MSRP. Over here in the UK prices are ridiculous - Asus TUF was supposed to be same as Founder (1699gbp) yet it somehow managed to go all the way to 2100... that is if you can even find it anywhere in stock since apparently they've had like 3 of these cards for the entire country by the looks of it...
@@justinvanhorne9958 MSI said it was an error. The increased price on their site was only up for a couple hours. There was no price change notice sent to retailers and the retailers kept the prices at the original launch price. However, MSI does have a history of charging above their MSRP on their site during the RTX 3000 shortages.
yep, cheapest 4090 Strix I can find is 2500USD here in Denmark (or 19000 DKK), altho lesser variants like the TUF version can be found for 2.1k USD (all out of stock though, only preorder). To be fair, the 25% sales tax for the 1600USD msrp does equal more or less that price, around 2-2.1k USD so it's not as bad as what I've seen elsewhere, but some places still try to ask almost 3k for base spec 4090 cards. 3 years ago you could get an entire top-end gaming pc for that money. Also Founders card just straight up isn't sold here, at least not yet. Who knows if Nvidia will even bother.
The on screen teardown is good, as long as the information is exactly what's in the card. Physical teardowns are good for DIY repair and refurbishment, its nice to see the little tricks during disassembly that prohibit "one click or push" and its broken.
12:37 100% power limit for different models mean different things. On a Gigabyte Gaming OC RTX4090, 100% power is 450W while on an Asus Strix 4090, 100% is 500W. You need to consider what the 100% on a Suprim X is to know the actual power limit at 110%.
if possible, I would love to see a direct comparison of the gigabyte waterforce vs the gigabyte windforce cards. the waterforce has an integrated 360mm aio and a full-cover block design that cools gpu, memory, AND power delivery. and I *think* the board is the same between them...
I'm going to put a ekwb waterblock on my gigabyte gaming oc 4090. I'm expecting zero performance increase and just the benefit of a small total gpu and block integrated into my existing waterloop. I'll run the card aircooled for a while and I expect its just fine too.
@@ghomerhust :). Having 3x360mm at 45mm thick and 9 fans helps the cooling of everything. You just gotta be bothered with the hassle of adjusting your loop and pipework each time you make a change :).
Its not a full cover waterblock, the waterblock sits only on the gpu and just the copper plate extends over the memory and vrm, water is only flowing over the gpu part of the copper plate, its no better than this msi.
Nice job on the review. It seems like some cards have the voltage locked and are up against the voltage limit, so increasing the power does nothing. But the voltage is adjustable on some. However it also seems like overclocking doesn't gain much performance and produces a lot more heat. What I'm gathering is that all the cards are very similar in performance and the FE is right there with everyone else.
I think a better video idea personally would be how the FE versions of the 4090 hold up against the base, MSRP versions from each manufacturer. Would be interesting to see how they all perform and it'd put to bed the general belief that Nvidia "bins" the best GPUs for themselves.
Not that it matters *that* much, but I think a graph of fps/watt would be neat to see which card is more efficient in terms of the frames it's providing, rather than having to do the math ourself. Honestly you could do watts/fps, I just thought that people would like the graph to be "bigger bar mean better" so thats why I said the other way around. If you're clear that smaller bar means more efficient, then I think the numbers look nicer when its watts/fps because its above 1. To be clear, I know Watts/frames/second is the same as energy/frame (because power is energy over time). So you could also graph energy per frame at the average(or median if theres spikes/outliers) fps. Ultimately just an efficiency graph would be nice / neat to see.
Next you'll try to say binning isn't a thing at all 🙄 One of their best AIBs didn't jump ship for nothing.... Hell just listening to their own words makes it clear that they would bo that and more
@@Talishar I for one am fat from interested in such tests, but if you must have some sorta "proof" that binning might not be a thing, Jay's Founder card didn't exactly stack up against others who have posted OC records, though that can be chalked up to silicon lottery. Or is that also not a thing to you?
I went into the launch trying for the Suprim Liquid but ended up with the Gaming OC. After seeing those memory temps and noise levels I'm pretty happy!
I have a think for AIO coolers. I really enjoy the freedom to move the heat load from the middle of the case to the outer edge., allowing the rest of your system to run cooler.
@@BenMagargee Ive been waiting before even 3090 for this card ^_^ Im so happy to be able to play games on max settings for once. And thank you! I got reallllly lucky
@@splashindapot Still can't get one, the why is irrelevant. I want less youtube videos showing the 2% difference in FPS and more videos on HOW to get these cards for MSRP in the first place. By the time I could buy a 3080 it was too late to matter, and now I cant get a 4000, it's retarded. Even 3080 Ti prices have gone back up because people bought all the sub 900 ones.
@@splashindapot You can find one. I bought one from MSI on release day at 3AM eastern. They got sold out within 10 mins when I was sharing links though.
@@Cruor34 Most people who really wanted the 4090 on Day 1 already got one or secured an online order. Not to mention that after the crypto bubble burst there isn't nearly the same demand for these cards as there was 2 years ago. TH-camrs have no business trying to tell people where to buy these cards, because the information can become outdated very quickly during the first couple weeks of a hyped up launch. You aren't going to wait 2 years to find a new card at MSRP this time.
That's good to know they are all pretty similar. I tried to get the suprim liquid first that sold out first, I ended up snagging the gaming OC on launch day and it's been plenty fine good to know it's not a big performance trade off and if anything the memory temps are a bit cooler which is nice
I’ve got an innox3d 4090 OC It probably has the more discreet and smallest design from all the 4090s And I’m really curious about why I don’t see reviews about it. Seems to work perfectly in terms of performance, and temps never get over 66c
Maybe they didn't send so many review samples to the English speaking market? I'd never heard of inno3d till I started looking at their 4090 with the alphacool waterblock.
In Europe we have Value Added Tax everything msrp + VAT €20-€25% Not only do Europeans pay crazy high taxes you also have to pay crazy high taxes on each item you buy.
@@n9ne I tend to be a pretty liberal kind of person in terms of my beliefs about taxing, and I got to say that sucks. taxing income progressively is good. taxing consumption is regressive and bad. of course, I feel the same way about my state (damn you Washington, you're so cool in other ways).
the biggest advantage with the suprim x is that you can improve the gpu cooling and lessen the overall noise with a push-pull fan setup on the radiator... i did that with phanteks t30 fans that are much better than any aircooled fan, so i don't see an issue with overheated liquid shortening the life of the pump... with the aircooled cards you can't improve the cooling.
It’s also worth noting that the CDPR engine has traditionally always run better on intel hardware by ~15%. Wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Raptor Lake avg around the mid 50s fps at native 4k full rtx settings.
If one was worried about the rad getting too hot couldn't they just add a couple fans to change it into a push/pull? Or just upgrade to some better 140 rad fans
I tested on my 360mmx30mm rad and the temp barely drop 1 celcius at 300w hot load. burger rads ain't efficient for 30mm slim rads but much efficient when it comes to thick ones like 50mm 60mm rads
@@redclaw72666 maybe they want to show you the authentic performance you can get entirely out of the box, yet personally I use only arctic P12 and P14, those are the best of performance-acoustic-cost balance
big reason I am considering the liquid card is that this card, the FE, and the aorus liquid cooled variants are the only 4090's I can find that are less than 320mm, which is the max length my case supports!
This is really common with MSI cards, if you'll recall the MSI cards both 3080 and 3090 tended to run extremely hot at the memory junction, much hotter than most other brands. This is clearly a design mistake MSI keeps making, because when mining eth across a variety of 3080's I expected the memory junction to hit between 75 and 85, but on the Ventus and especially the Trio models of MSI cards getting above 90 was very common, even as high as 105 and that was mining on open air. It was so bad a lot of miners opted for swapping out the thermal pads to try to get better performance, as these cards also automatically throttle when the memory junction reaches a certain temp. It was so confusing at first because the clock and undervolt would be set equivalent to other cards, the nominal temps would be the same as other cards, but a 3080 trio would be hitting between 83 and 87 on ethminer, while any other 3080 would be clearing 90 even as high as 100 for EVGA. It wasn't until we started looking at memory junction till we realized where the throttling was coming from.
so no real fix unless you put an aftermarket water block on and run a custom loop i guess? I am about to buy this card and after watching this video I don't know If i can anymore..
@@Terra_Cognita Frankly I wouldn't buy an MSI product personally (especially avoid their motherboards like the plague, cheap high failure rate junk), their GPUs are typically the poorest performing of the big 3 names (or big 4 back when EVGA still made Nvidia cards). For price I definitely recommend Gigabyte, my 4090 Gigabyte OC was one of the cheaper 4090's I could find and it performs like a champ, temps are crazy good and Gigabyte warranty and RMA are pretty decent. I would say ASUS is the best but comes at a price premium, and I have been hearing a lot of concerns about their quality control and RMA practices lately.
@@Investigamerheh I've been getting laptops lately so I haven't built a desktop rig since 2014, my last MSI's in SLI were decent enough. The reviews I've read were neutral to positive with the except of the MEMORY junction temps. I noticed that in both low load and high load the Air cooled Suprim X had around 10 degree lower temps than the liquid and saw a forum post detailing potentially why. Because the GPU's fan is controlled by the other temp settings the VRAM don't get any airflow since the rad is performing well enough. They said to just install Fancontrol and HWinfo and use the integrated temp sensor on the memory modules of the GPU to control the fan speeds. Mentioned dropping temps by around 10 degrees, same 10 degree difference I saw on the Suprim X air version.
@@Terra_Cognita I mean if the MSI is all you can get it is what it is, truth be told most of the 4090's are likely gonna be fine as long as you don't bang it around, heat isn't as much a concern as the 30 series MSI cards just because every 4090 model has these ridonkulously sized cooling stacks that could cool a soviet era nuclear reactor lol. My only concern with MSI is I've used a ton of products over the years and none have come close to the failure rate of MSI gear. But, at least when I was mining those Trio and Ventus MSI cards, they never actually **failed** per se, they were still working fine after several years, they just underperformed compared to the other models and the memory temps couldn't handle mining very well. If this guys video is correct I'm guessing the MSI 4090 cards will likely underperform to an extent compared to others, if the memory junction is similarly unprotected, but I mean all-in-all an underperforming 4090 is still better than any other GPU on the market at current writing lol if you can get a good price for it, you probly won't be disappointed.... just... make sure to register your warranty right away LOL
I would rather have the disassembly in a separate video where you also compare them to the FE. FYI: A hot radiator is a good thing because it means it is going it's job highly effectively. I mean you do want the radiator to give off heat, right?
Suprim vs Waterforce next please 😄 Waterforce has cooling for the memory and mosfet, wondering what the temps would be with that additional heating element.
I ended up with the base MSI Gaming Trio card and I'm happy with it. Super quiet, stays cool even maxxed out. Weirdly, RAM is cooler than their water-cooled card, so glad I skipped the pump. (And as far as Nvidia competing with the other manufacturers, seems like they're managing that by having only made 12 cards. I wanted the FE and it sold out in seconds on Best Buy, with no restocks so far.)
Hey I don't know if you'll even see this comment over a year later but I've been trying to just find dimensions of 4090s for comparison to try and figure out what might fit and these days I find the width of the card (that is, how far it projects perpendicular to the plane of the motherboard when socketed into the PCI-E port) is probably more important than length given the inflexible design of the power adapter. Still a great video, and thanks for everything you do.
Need to see full GPU block numbers...the AIO GPU coolers are fine but they never perform as good as a full custom loop. 70 watts of more power gave like 5-8fps increase? Wow that's actually really bad.
Here's a dumb question for you Paul. Can you test this card at a 350w power limit? Really curious to see what it would do with a lower limit for those that want to have the big dog but don't always want to run it wide open all the time. The MSI has the best aesthetics of all the cards tested so far. it has a clean subtle look that is just what i want, but way outside my budget.
There are some reviews out there that tested just that and turning the TDP down to 350W or even 300W will make for like 10% less performance at max with the benefits of a more manageable and more stable power draw + lower temperatures. I'd actually recommend doing this~
I had a water cooled msi 1080. It was a really incredible card, very cool, very quiet. Granted I only owned it for about 22 months (2-year microcenter trade-in back then).
The lower GPU Power limit on the liquid version is due to an VBIOS error on the card; MSI already knows and has an updated version that theyre gonna push thru MSI Center soon
Sincerely I use a RTX 4090 Founder Edition and I never had any temperature issue or noise. It's very silent. My main concern is the HPWR12 connection spot temperature, it's insane.
Got the Gigabyte Gaming OC, it's a powerhouse, I'm benchmarking it in Blender benchmarks (because that's what I'm using it for) and it's showing good numbers, overclocking past 13000 with minimal effort and temps in the mid 50'c or lower (Room is 68'f). What I find confusing is the power (Using MSi Afterburner because the Gigabyte CC software kept crashing, even crashing windows for a while) it runs higher numbers at 50% than 75% than 133%. Even at 25% (which is around 150w) it runs a OC benchmark of 6792 which is around a 3090ti. I guess this means that 100% is 600w but it never gets near that in the graph, always topping out around 330w....not anywhere close to 450w - so I'm a bit confused, getting great numbers but the wattage looks low.
My only concern is what happens if/when the pump on the MSI fails. I have had a good experience with MSI in the past and currently, but dead pump means dead 4090. Also, the smaller size on the card is nice, but many smaller cases won't be able to fit the tubes coming right off of the side of the card like that when many cases require a custom cable like a 90 degree.
Currently have a gigabyte rtx 3080. I absolutely love MSI though. I have an MsI motherboard and the build Quality is excellent. When I eventually upgrade I might have to get the MSI to give it a try
Great 4090 comparison video! Each generation the Founders Edition card becomes more compelling. My 3090 FE has ridiculous VRAM temps that prompted a repadding, but it seems that NVIDIA solved that with the 3090Ti and 4090. MSI probably should prioritized it more on the Suprim Liquid X.
@@OggaDugga The memory chips were double density on 3090ti 2GB each vs 1GB on 3090. So all were able to be put on front of card where cooling was much better.
To me, the value is always how quiet can it run? I often play less demanding games or older ones and always switch to a manual fan curve with reduced power limit. Good enough FPS, low heat generation, and a quiet room are ideal for a comfortable gaming experience. Sound matters a lot, and this is something that AIB partners deliver effectively. I feel that most people are more interested in speed, heat, and power without regards to the cost in terms of sitting next to a hair dryer in a sauna. To me, the value in the 4090 will be to be able to get more performance at even lower power settings and noise, since I’ll be able to target an even lower power limit.
Hi Paul, would like to get your opinion about the reputability of the remaining 4090 GPU AIB's now that EVGA has left the scene. Who can we trust after spending $1600+? Who has the best RMA history and customer support? Evga had your back, but I've heard not so good stories of pretty much all the rest, gigabyte especially.
EVGA was a huge loss to the gpu market. I purchased nine of their GPUs through the years. Their customer support and warranty were second to none. Other than them, I did own one msi card that I never had issues with. So, I can't speak to their support. I did have to RMA an ASUS motherboard. After arguing back and forth a few times, they had me send in the board. I got a replacement a couple months later long after I had replaced the board with a msi board.
Those prices you show at the beginning don't include tax? I Finland all the RTX 4090's were 1999-2599€. No FE available here. Waiting for the Asus TUF OC tests! That's the 4090 I got, and I'm very happy about it. Good build quality, minimal RGB junk, efficient cooler, great BIOS x2.
I remember when everyone was mad that the GeForce FX 5800 Ultra was a two-slot card, it was way too big. Now people see that RTX 4090 Suprim and are thrilled that it's *only* two slots. Oh how times have changed.
Quiet a tough time for AIO cooled 4090s. Imo there is no reason to choose LC 4090s over air cooled. These massive heatsinks are so effective a 240mm radiator has a very hard time to keep up with. In terms of noise the air cooled 4090s are already doing a great job.
Paul if people like the looks of the MSI watercooling card they have a non watercooling version called GeForce RTX® 4090 SUPRIM X 24G Three fans and beautiful looks!
I'd still go for an card from MSI over NVidia, for extra warranty, plus they're my prefered brand as I've had quite a few products from them in the past, so no need to change.
The 40 series cards are cool and all, but my problem with them (ignoring price and power consumption) is that hardware has so far outstripped any software I use that there is no reason for me to get one. No games have released in recent history that I actually want to play and there is nothing on the horizon that I have any hope will actually be fun, I can't even justify buying a 30 series card. At this point game designers are the biggest hurdle to me buying a card rather than anything else.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the FE availability is a debacle. You can't even buy it unless you get chosen randomly thru the GeForce Experience app. I feel like alot of these card partners were either misrepresented on specs or they didn't think it thru very well. Right now I need a version of the 4090 that would fit a NR200, so that means it can't be too long or too thick and so far the FE and maybe 2 other ones might fit. The Liquid X can fit if I can find a location for the water cooler on top of my CPU AIO radiator. They would do well to revise the sizes. Why did they make it so much bigger than the FE? PS- Although the Length and Width of the Windforce might work for me, I'm a little concerned with the exposed fins being bent up against things. Although, I could put a fan grill on top of it. It would be the same story for the FE's spinning fan thats on opposing side.
What I'm missing here is a discussion of cards blowing air into versus out of the enclosure. If you blow air into the enclosure you'll need an extra fan to blow it out, doubling the noise.
Getting better scores with my Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 but I have it running in the 30s with stupid airflow. Card runs so cool even when I shut off my cold air intake.
Good info of tests on these cards. Fun and exciting to see the results of the tests on these two cards. As I can not afford them. Yet I enjoy and find value in your tests.
The reason MSI card stands out is it's not four f'ing slots and needing a support beam just to prevent your pcie slot from breaking off the motherboard. They do need to fix that memory contact though, when you're going this high-end there should be no compromises.
I think air and water are good elements for cooling. I think you'd need long tubes to make earth cool a GPU or CPU, but fire pretty much is a no-go. I think.
I have the Gigabyte one in this video. It has a really good cooler. I don't care about the "OC" part it's nothing. For me it was about getting one in time for MW2 and have my setup all done. I don't care about looks. As long as it works as intended, cools well and last long, that's all that matters to me. So as long as it does the job, I am happy. I came from a GTX 1080, lol. I do like how good the cooling is for the VRAM, lower than any other card so far. They went all out with thermal pads. 4 year warranty is great as well.
The power limit on the retail cards is 600w. 480/600 The power slider goes up to 125 percent on retail cards. That makes more sense because it does use a 600w adapter.
Paul, could you please review pre-custom-water-blocked RTX 4090 cards? I believe the Inno3D GeForce RTX 4090 ICHILL FROSTBITE comes with a water block installed, ready to add to a water loop. I really want a custom water-cooled 4090 but am too nervous to install them myself and void the warranty, so will only buy one that is pre-blocked by the manufacturer. Thanks. :)
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Hey Everyone! Thanks for watching this video, I have an update for the MSI Suprim Liquid X card. MSI said my GDDR6X VRAM temp readings look hotter than expected, and I will be returning the card to them so they can check if there's anything wrong with the cooler mount or otherwise. The card performed as I showed you though so I'll be leaving this video up, but I've added two links to the description with reviews from other channels -- Techtesters (who showed gaming VRAM temps in the 74-77C range) and Optimum Tech (who showed 80-82C VRAM temps during a Furmark stress test).
Other MSI Suprim Liquid X Reviews -
Optimum Tech: th-cam.com/video/TmbOew3HIZk/w-d-xo.html
Techtesters: th-cam.com/video/kiza_FTzbHU/w-d-xo.html
Hotter that expected RAM temps and hotter than expected back lash from the price increase....that was a miscommunication^^
the vram was Always hotter than on aircooler, Look on the Evga Hybrid cards.
Wait till the 4090 decides to become the avatar. But first it must Include earth, and, more importantly fire
Paul I doubt you'll see my message but I just picked up a 4090 suprim liquid x and I have afterburner 4.6.5 and newest Nvidia driver. My card runs 2865mhz stock settings and my power limit let's me go to 125%. Edit- just figured out why, I have a different bios then you. @Paul'sHardware
@@garyharris8082 That one there was a violation
The brushed metal finish on the Suprim is a nice touch.
I agree!
@@paulshardware Can you change the fans on the MSI to Lian li Fans?
@@matthewrezuke8130 was wondering that myself if you can change the fans out 🤔
@@TrigunV4S I must know! My ocd would go into overdrive
@@matthewrezuke8130 you can but the included fans are top of the line.
I have the 4090 liquid, just two normal 4pin fan headers by the radiator.
you can just tape a thermal sensor to the inlet of the radiator to get a pretty good water temp measurement.
this is a great idea
@@paulshardware I have a lazer gun that reads temp. I use this on vehicles a lot, this might be a more accurate easy solution since you can point it between the fins and get an actual temp reading.
@@GraphicFrostthat’s not how those work. The laser is just a guide for where it’s pointing but the shape of what is reading temp is a cone that expands the further away it goes. Also it can reflect off metal
I really enjoy this type of comparison. Seems like the raw performance is pretty equal. But if you have a network, sound, or storage card installed then the MSI might be a winner due to space. And if you want something quieter, then Gigabyte gives you that with their fan/cooler design. And of course if you want the most aesthetically pleasing, just pick your favorite and don't worry too much about losing performance.
I've heard it suggested elsewhere that Nvidia are binning their GPUs and keeping the best for their own FE cards - which further makes the value proposition for 3rd party cards challenging. This was part of the discussion when EVGA left the market and how they couldn't make a profit when directly competing with Nvidia - particularly when their solutions with increased cooling and power delivery were having to try make up for the silicon itself potentially being slightly less-capable.
I'm in love with the Suprim's design, both this Gen and last, but not it's price.
150 premium on AIO is not a bad deal at all - for comparison, just a water block from AlphaCool for custom loop will set you back more than that. The question is whether this time around they used appropriate materials or it's still bound to corrode through and terminally fail after few months of use. Both MSI and Gigabyte released junk for 30 series in this regard.
MSI literally just scalped it themselves, they just raised it almost 200 bucks on their site.
@@justinvanhorne9958 Seems to be the case for all RTX 40 series to be honest - I'm yet to see any available for it's MSRP. Over here in the UK prices are ridiculous - Asus TUF was supposed to be same as Founder (1699gbp) yet it somehow managed to go all the way to 2100... that is if you can even find it anywhere in stock since apparently they've had like 3 of these cards for the entire country by the looks of it...
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@@justinvanhorne9958 MSI said it was an error. The increased price on their site was only up for a couple hours. There was no price change notice sent to retailers and the retailers kept the prices at the original launch price. However, MSI does have a history of charging above their MSRP on their site during the RTX 3000 shortages.
I'm a bit appauled that the 4090 cards here in sweden / EU cost around $2500 and up.
But it's nice to see more reviews on the 4090, thanks Paul!
Nordic prices in a nutshell
yep, cheapest 4090 Strix I can find is 2500USD here in Denmark (or 19000 DKK), altho lesser variants like the TUF version can be found for 2.1k USD (all out of stock though, only preorder).
To be fair, the 25% sales tax for the 1600USD msrp does equal more or less that price, around 2-2.1k USD so it's not as bad as what I've seen elsewhere, but some places still try to ask almost 3k for base spec 4090 cards. 3 years ago you could get an entire top-end gaming pc for that money.
Also Founders card just straight up isn't sold here, at least not yet. Who knows if Nvidia will even bother.
Strix is £3000 here in Uk on ebay… its nuts!
@@iiNNeX Why are the prices so ridiculous in Europe compared to US?
The on screen teardown is good, as long as the information is exactly what's in the card. Physical teardowns are good for DIY repair and refurbishment, its nice to see the little tricks during disassembly that prohibit "one click or push" and its broken.
12:37 100% power limit for different models mean different things. On a Gigabyte Gaming OC RTX4090, 100% power is 450W while on an Asus Strix 4090, 100% is 500W. You need to consider what the 100% on a Suprim X is to know the actual power limit at 110%.
darn... i miss EVGA
The 4000 series has been completely underwhelming for me without EVGA.
This, however is the best possible option.
> i miss EVGA
Fer sure...
Same. What happened to them
@@PassportBrosBusinessClass or just skipping 4000 series all to gether and waiting for 50000
@@93ChayZ see you in 2025
Dude called us broke in ten different languages 😂
if possible, I would love to see a direct comparison of the gigabyte waterforce vs the gigabyte windforce cards. the waterforce has an integrated 360mm aio and a full-cover block design that cools gpu, memory, AND power delivery. and I *think* the board is the same between them...
I'm going to put a ekwb waterblock on my gigabyte gaming oc 4090. I'm expecting zero performance increase and just the benefit of a small total gpu and block integrated into my existing waterloop. I'll run the card aircooled for a while and I expect its just fine too.
@@stevenross-watt8640 the size change might help with cooling the rest of the system haha
@@ghomerhust :). Having 3x360mm at 45mm thick and 9 fans helps the cooling of everything. You just gotta be bothered with the hassle of adjusting your loop and pipework each time you make a change :).
Its not a full cover waterblock, the waterblock sits only on the gpu and just the copper plate extends over the memory and vrm, water is only flowing over the gpu part of the copper plate, its no better than this msi.
Nice job on the review. It seems like some cards have the voltage locked and are up against the voltage limit, so increasing the power does nothing. But the voltage is adjustable on some. However it also seems like overclocking doesn't gain much performance and produces a lot more heat. What I'm gathering is that all the cards are very similar in performance and the FE is right there with everyone else.
In regards to 10:08, yes I would love to see tear down videos. Not something we see often from you, so a fresh perspective would be appreciated!
I think a better video idea personally would be how the FE versions of the 4090 hold up against the base, MSRP versions from each manufacturer. Would be interesting to see how they all perform and it'd put to bed the general belief that Nvidia "bins" the best GPUs for themselves.
Not that it matters *that* much, but I think a graph of fps/watt would be neat to see which card is more efficient in terms of the frames it's providing, rather than having to do the math ourself.
Honestly you could do watts/fps, I just thought that people would like the graph to be "bigger bar mean better" so thats why I said the other way around. If you're clear that smaller bar means more efficient, then I think the numbers look nicer when its watts/fps because its above 1.
To be clear, I know Watts/frames/second is the same as energy/frame (because power is energy over time). So you could also graph energy per frame at the average(or median if theres spikes/outliers) fps.
Ultimately just an efficiency graph would be nice / neat to see.
Next you'll try to say binning isn't a thing at all 🙄
One of their best AIBs didn't jump ship for nothing.... Hell just listening to their own words makes it clear that they would bo that and more
@@MaddJakd Or just test it versus other base models from other AIBs. It's relatively easy to test.
Pretty short vid. AIBs are slightly cooler and quieter. They are not faster or have any greater noticeable OC headroom. Even the LC versions.
@@Talishar I for one am fat from interested in such tests, but if you must have some sorta "proof" that binning might not be a thing, Jay's Founder card didn't exactly stack up against others who have posted OC records, though that can be chalked up to silicon lottery. Or is that also not a thing to you?
I went into the launch trying for the Suprim Liquid but ended up with the Gaming OC. After seeing those memory temps and noise levels I'm pretty happy!
I went the same route as well. Installed it yesterday and it is a great quiet yet cool card.
I have a think for AIO coolers. I really enjoy the freedom to move the heat load from the middle of the case to the outer edge., allowing the rest of your system to run cooler.
It is too bad the MSI card has such high memory temps. I love that aesthetic and it would actually fit in my case.
Suprim is the one I got! I'm loving it so far. It's supppper quiet even in gaming mode
Same here!!!
The OC champ card!!!!
It makes me so happy to see GPUs actually going to actual users this time around, lol. Have fun with your new card!
What's your memory temp? Are they different than in this review? Thanks!
@@Jeffbozoooo its pretty spot on to what he says in the video.
@@BenMagargee Ive been waiting before even 3090 for this card ^_^ Im so happy to be able to play games on max settings for once. And thank you! I got reallllly lucky
Thats great, ill keep this in mind when they are back in stock in 2 years
Imagine having all the parts for a 7950x/Crosshair Extreme AM5 custom loop build except the GPU...that would be me right now :(
There's plenty of them . They just aren't selling them all right away to keep prices up. Warehouses full of them
@@splashindapot Still can't get one, the why is irrelevant. I want less youtube videos showing the 2% difference in FPS and more videos on HOW to get these cards for MSRP in the first place. By the time I could buy a 3080 it was too late to matter, and now I cant get a 4000, it's retarded. Even 3080 Ti prices have gone back up because people bought all the sub 900 ones.
@@splashindapot You can find one. I bought one from MSI on release day at 3AM eastern. They got sold out within 10 mins when I was sharing links though.
@@Cruor34 Most people who really wanted the 4090 on Day 1 already got one or secured an online order. Not to mention that after the crypto bubble burst there isn't nearly the same demand for these cards as there was 2 years ago. TH-camrs have no business trying to tell people where to buy these cards, because the information can become outdated very quickly during the first couple weeks of a hyped up launch. You aren't going to wait 2 years to find a new card at MSRP this time.
That's good to know they are all pretty similar. I tried to get the suprim liquid first that sold out first, I ended up snagging the gaming OC on launch day and it's been plenty fine good to know it's not a big performance trade off and if anything the memory temps are a bit cooler which is nice
i've heard that mem overclock yields the biggest gains. so that's a big plus on the gigabyte
I’ve got an innox3d 4090 OC
It probably has the more discreet and smallest design from all the 4090s
And I’m really curious about why I don’t see reviews about it.
Seems to work perfectly in terms of performance, and temps never get over 66c
Maybe they didn't send so many review samples to the English speaking market? I'd never heard of inno3d till I started looking at their 4090 with the alphacool waterblock.
the inno3d is smaller, but the temps are horrid, above 80C on load, i've been avioding that
@@housesg5981 air cooled version? The op here says max of 66. Where did your info come from? Thx
Interesting how much more expensive the 4090s in EU are (obviously we don't really get FEs), 2200-2800 euros
yep, here in Norway that MSI SUPRIM Liquid X is close to 2,500 USD
That's absolute fk'd
Here in Au you can get a 4090 for 2930 or so. Honestly it's expensive, not too bad though. 2900 euros is 4500 here...
About one 5th of the price in EU is VAT. In USA sticker prices doesn’t include any taxes.
In Europe we have Value Added Tax everything msrp + VAT €20-€25%
Not only do Europeans pay crazy high taxes you also have to pay crazy high taxes on each item you buy.
@@n9ne I tend to be a pretty liberal kind of person in terms of my beliefs about taxing, and I got to say that sucks. taxing income progressively is good. taxing consumption is regressive and bad. of course, I feel the same way about my state (damn you Washington, you're so cool in other ways).
the founders edition is binned to just be better than all other cards from what i've heard. nvidia keeps the best chips for themselves. makes sense.
Thanks! So, the one with AIO is meant for small cases, air cooled is for those cases that can fit. Performance difference is not that significant.
Love that Suprim! Great review Paul!
the biggest advantage with the suprim x is that you can improve the gpu cooling and lessen the overall noise with a push-pull fan setup on the radiator... i did that with phanteks t30 fans that are much better than any aircooled fan, so i don't see an issue with overheated liquid shortening the life of the pump... with the aircooled cards you can't improve the cooling.
This is wtf I been waiting on. Glad you got it out.
It’s also worth noting that the CDPR engine has traditionally always run better on intel hardware by ~15%. Wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Raptor Lake avg around the mid 50s fps at native 4k full rtx settings.
I bought the MSI for its water cooled, quiet goodness. It has not disappointed.
If one was worried about the rad getting too hot couldn't they just add a couple fans to change it into a push/pull? Or just upgrade to some better 140 rad fans
I don't get why reviewers don't put better fans on that rad lol obviously those msi fans are beyond garbage
@@redclaw72666 I'm still looking for a video
@@redclaw72666 you review the product when it comes in. Not modifying it.
I tested on my 360mmx30mm rad and the temp barely drop 1 celcius at 300w hot load. burger rads ain't efficient for 30mm slim rads but much efficient when it comes to thick ones like 50mm 60mm rads
@@redclaw72666 maybe they want to show you the authentic performance you can get entirely out of the box, yet personally I use only arctic P12 and P14, those are the best of performance-acoustic-cost balance
big reason I am considering the liquid card is that this card, the FE, and the aorus liquid cooled variants are the only 4090's I can find that are less than 320mm, which is the max length my case supports!
It's about what you can find. I snagged a Gaming OC from best buy for $1700 and it is a dream. They are out there. You just have to keep checking.
This is really common with MSI cards, if you'll recall the MSI cards both 3080 and 3090 tended to run extremely hot at the memory junction, much hotter than most other brands. This is clearly a design mistake MSI keeps making, because when mining eth across a variety of 3080's I expected the memory junction to hit between 75 and 85, but on the Ventus and especially the Trio models of MSI cards getting above 90 was very common, even as high as 105 and that was mining on open air. It was so bad a lot of miners opted for swapping out the thermal pads to try to get better performance, as these cards also automatically throttle when the memory junction reaches a certain temp. It was so confusing at first because the clock and undervolt would be set equivalent to other cards, the nominal temps would be the same as other cards, but a 3080 trio would be hitting between 83 and 87 on ethminer, while any other 3080 would be clearing 90 even as high as 100 for EVGA. It wasn't until we started looking at memory junction till we realized where the throttling was coming from.
so no real fix unless you put an aftermarket water block on and run a custom loop i guess? I am about to buy this card and after watching this video I don't know If i can anymore..
@@Terra_Cognita Frankly I wouldn't buy an MSI product personally (especially avoid their motherboards like the plague, cheap high failure rate junk), their GPUs are typically the poorest performing of the big 3 names (or big 4 back when EVGA still made Nvidia cards). For price I definitely recommend Gigabyte, my 4090 Gigabyte OC was one of the cheaper 4090's I could find and it performs like a champ, temps are crazy good and Gigabyte warranty and RMA are pretty decent. I would say ASUS is the best but comes at a price premium, and I have been hearing a lot of concerns about their quality control and RMA practices lately.
@@Investigamerheh I've been getting laptops lately so I haven't built a desktop rig since 2014, my last MSI's in SLI were decent enough. The reviews I've read were neutral to positive with the except of the MEMORY junction temps.
I noticed that in both low load and high load the Air cooled Suprim X had around 10 degree lower temps than the liquid and saw a forum post detailing potentially why.
Because the GPU's fan is controlled by the other temp settings the VRAM don't get any airflow since the rad is performing well enough. They said to just install Fancontrol and HWinfo and use the integrated temp sensor on the memory modules of the GPU to control the fan speeds. Mentioned dropping temps by around 10 degrees, same 10 degree difference I saw on the Suprim X air version.
@@InvestigamerI legit can not find anything else really in stock right now and prices are elevated (on the 4090s). heh pretend ass black friday.
@@Terra_Cognita I mean if the MSI is all you can get it is what it is, truth be told most of the 4090's are likely gonna be fine as long as you don't bang it around, heat isn't as much a concern as the 30 series MSI cards just because every 4090 model has these ridonkulously sized cooling stacks that could cool a soviet era nuclear reactor lol. My only concern with MSI is I've used a ton of products over the years and none have come close to the failure rate of MSI gear. But, at least when I was mining those Trio and Ventus MSI cards, they never actually **failed** per se, they were still working fine after several years, they just underperformed compared to the other models and the memory temps couldn't handle mining very well. If this guys video is correct I'm guessing the MSI 4090 cards will likely underperform to an extent compared to others, if the memory junction is similarly unprotected, but I mean all-in-all an underperforming 4090 is still better than any other GPU on the market at current writing lol if you can get a good price for it, you probly won't be disappointed.... just... make sure to register your warranty right away LOL
I would rather have the disassembly in a separate video where you also compare them to the FE.
FYI: A hot radiator is a good thing because it means it is going it's job highly effectively. I mean you do want the radiator to give off heat, right?
Thank You! Been waiting for this for days 🥺
Definitely want to see a teardown of the Suprim Liquid X
Suprim vs Waterforce next please 😄 Waterforce has cooling for the memory and mosfet, wondering what the temps would be with that additional heating element.
Great video and love the styling of the MSI SUPRIM. Dissembling a card is always more satisfying but time constraints understandable.
Cyberpunk maxed out, RT on med, dlss quality, 4 K 60fps uses 225-260 watts @ 42c, power target set at 59%... Just crazy. Gigabyte OC
I ended up with the base MSI Gaming Trio card and I'm happy with it. Super quiet, stays cool even maxxed out. Weirdly, RAM is cooler than their water-cooled card, so glad I skipped the pump. (And as far as Nvidia competing with the other manufacturers, seems like they're managing that by having only made 12 cards. I wanted the FE and it sold out in seconds on Best Buy, with no restocks so far.)
Hey I don't know if you'll even see this comment over a year later but I've been trying to just find dimensions of 4090s for comparison to try and figure out what might fit and these days I find the width of the card (that is, how far it projects perpendicular to the plane of the motherboard when socketed into the PCI-E port) is probably more important than length given the inflexible design of the power adapter. Still a great video, and thanks for everything you do.
Good job Paul 👍 one of the best 4090s testing I’ve seen so far in TH-cam
It was at least honest with no Pimping. I hate Pimps.
Need to see full GPU block numbers...the AIO GPU coolers are fine but they never perform as good as a full custom loop.
70 watts of more power gave like 5-8fps increase? Wow that's actually really bad.
all of the 4090s dont overclock well
@@ApolloUldaman they overclock themselves well enough. long gone are the maxwell days
Thanks for all the hard work Paul I enjoy these vids even though I’m skipping upgrades this year
Here's a dumb question for you Paul. Can you test this card at a 350w power limit? Really curious to see what it would do with a lower limit for those that want to have the big dog but don't always want to run it wide open all the time. The MSI has the best aesthetics of all the cards tested so far. it has a clean subtle look that is just what i want, but way outside my budget.
You got that right bud that was an extremely stupid thing to ask and my boy Paul hasn't got no time for that
There are some reviews out there that tested just that and turning the TDP down to 350W or even 300W will make for like 10% less performance at max with the benefits of a more manageable and more stable power draw + lower temperatures. I'd actually recommend doing this~
this guys are proud ''overclockers'' , they wouldn`t give AF if it draws 1 kilowatt as long as they get 1 extra frame
Will be an interesting comparison of the 4080 and 4090 both set to 350watts. Bet the performance will be pretty close.
I would be interested to see temp differences in the suprim x liquid vs taking a suprim x and putting a waterblock on it to a custom loop
I was waiting for this!!! Thanks Paul!!
I had a water cooled msi 1080. It was a really incredible card, very cool, very quiet.
Granted I only owned it for about 22 months (2-year microcenter trade-in back then).
This is the guy who has all of our RTX 4090 GPUs! But seriously, thanks for testing and your videos.
The lower GPU Power limit on the liquid version is due to an VBIOS error on the card; MSI already knows and has an updated version that theyre gonna push thru MSI Center soon
Sincerely I use a RTX 4090 Founder Edition and I never had any temperature issue or noise. It's very silent. My main concern is the HPWR12 connection spot temperature, it's insane.
Good video Paul, thanks! Looking forward to the teardowns!
Best 4090 video yet. I like how he includes overclock. Now I want to see his rog 4090 review
Got the Gigabyte Gaming OC, it's a powerhouse, I'm benchmarking it in Blender benchmarks (because that's what I'm using it for) and it's showing good numbers, overclocking past 13000 with minimal effort and temps in the mid 50'c or lower (Room is 68'f).
What I find confusing is the power (Using MSi Afterburner because the Gigabyte CC software kept crashing, even crashing windows for a while) it runs higher numbers at 50% than 75% than 133%.
Even at 25% (which is around 150w) it runs a OC benchmark of 6792 which is around a 3090ti.
I guess this means that 100% is 600w but it never gets near that in the graph, always topping out around 330w....not anywhere close to 450w - so I'm a bit confused, getting great numbers but the wattage looks low.
The MSI memory temps sound like the thermal pads aren't making proper connection to the intended heatsink.
FE for price to performance.
Hopefully the MSI integrated liquid cooler doesn’t have a bunch of crud in it like their stand alone AIOs that were recalled.
Love the direction MSI are going in with that LC card. High hopes for their AMD options next month.
No wonder why I cannot find any 4090's in the store. This guy here hog all the 4090 cards but awesome review.
My only concern is what happens if/when the pump on the MSI fails. I have had a good experience with MSI in the past and currently, but dead pump means dead 4090.
Also, the smaller size on the card is nice, but many smaller cases won't be able to fit the tubes coming right off of the side of the card like that when many cases require a custom cable like a 90 degree.
Currently have a gigabyte rtx 3080. I absolutely love MSI though. I have an MsI motherboard and the build Quality is excellent. When I eventually upgrade I might have to get the MSI to give it a try
Love your videos Paul, attempting to make my own right now
Paul, 500 Watts GPU - how much does this increase ROOM temperature?
Do we need AC to game for a couple of hours?
what rpms were the fans going to? is 100% fan speed similar rpm for all the fans?
got the suprim one and OMG im in love. Highest temps are 50c
Great 4090 comparison video! Each generation the Founders Edition card becomes more compelling. My 3090 FE has ridiculous VRAM temps that prompted a repadding, but it seems that NVIDIA solved that with the 3090Ti and 4090. MSI probably should prioritized it more on the Suprim Liquid X.
Mainly it’s do VRAM being on both sides of the card. With the 3090Ti they moved it to the one side.
@@OggaDugga The memory chips were double density on 3090ti 2GB each vs 1GB on 3090. So all were able to be put on front of card where cooling was much better.
The Suprim liquid has crazy high memory temps versus other cards….
Other than cosmetics, there is absolutely no need to water cool these cards. My 4090 does not go over 56c on hours of gaming!!
To me, the value is always how quiet can it run? I often play less demanding games or older ones and always switch to a manual fan curve with reduced power limit. Good enough FPS, low heat generation, and a quiet room are ideal for a comfortable gaming experience.
Sound matters a lot, and this is something that AIB partners deliver effectively. I feel that most people are more interested in speed, heat, and power without regards to the cost in terms of sitting next to a hair dryer in a sauna.
To me, the value in the 4090 will be to be able to get more performance at even lower power settings and noise, since I’ll be able to target an even lower power limit.
Noise was never an issue because every time I'm sitting at the desk I have headphones on my head....
Hi Paul, would like to get your opinion about the reputability of the remaining 4090 GPU AIB's now that EVGA has left the scene. Who can we trust after spending $1600+? Who has the best RMA history and customer support? Evga had your back, but I've heard not so good stories of pretty much all the rest, gigabyte especially.
EVGA was a huge loss to the gpu market. I purchased nine of their GPUs through the years. Their customer support and warranty were second to none. Other than them, I did own one msi card that I never had issues with. So, I can't speak to their support. I did have to RMA an ASUS motherboard. After arguing back and forth a few times, they had me send in the board. I got a replacement a couple months later long after I had replaced the board with a msi board.
Hi, Where did you get hold of the Vulcan version? Aliexpress?
Thanks for all your hard work here.
Those prices you show at the beginning don't include tax? I Finland all the RTX 4090's were 1999-2599€. No FE available here.
Waiting for the Asus TUF OC tests! That's the 4090 I got, and I'm very happy about it. Good build quality, minimal RGB junk, efficient cooler, great BIOS x2.
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts on those graphics cards, Paul 😉👍!
I remember when everyone was mad that the GeForce FX 5800 Ultra was a two-slot card, it was way too big. Now people see that RTX 4090 Suprim and are thrilled that it's *only* two slots. Oh how times have changed.
Quiet a tough time for AIO cooled 4090s. Imo there is no reason to choose LC 4090s over air cooled. These massive heatsinks are so effective a 240mm radiator has a very hard time to keep up with. In terms of noise the air cooled 4090s are already doing a great job.
Paul if people like the looks of the MSI watercooling card they have a non watercooling version called GeForce RTX® 4090 SUPRIM X 24G Three fans and beautiful looks!
I'd still go for an card from MSI over NVidia, for extra warranty, plus they're my prefered brand as I've had quite a few products from them in the past, so no need to change.
Coil Whine on MSI Suprim Liquid 4090 is horrible. The constant buzzing is simply a no go. MSI needs to fix this!
I've returned MSI Suprim Liquid 4090 because of coil whine, went with Gigabyte instead.
Hey, I’d like to know which one is good ml ?
The 40 series cards are cool and all, but my problem with them (ignoring price and power consumption) is that hardware has so far outstripped any software I use that there is no reason for me to get one. No games have released in recent history that I actually want to play and there is nothing on the horizon that I have any hope will actually be fun, I can't even justify buying a 30 series card. At this point game designers are the biggest hurdle to me buying a card rather than anything else.
you should watch youtube channels that are more positive in general like jackfrags. mad a big difference for me
Correct me if I'm wrong but the FE availability is a debacle. You can't even buy it unless you get chosen randomly thru the GeForce Experience app.
I feel like alot of these card partners were either misrepresented on specs or they didn't think it thru very well. Right now I need a version of the 4090 that would fit a NR200, so that means it can't be too long or too thick and so far the FE and maybe 2 other ones might fit. The Liquid X can fit if I can find a location for the water cooler on top of my CPU AIO radiator. They would do well to revise the sizes. Why did they make it so much bigger than the FE?
PS- Although the Length and Width of the Windforce might work for me, I'm a little concerned with the exposed fins being bent up against things. Although, I could put a fan grill on top of it. It would be the same story for the FE's spinning fan thats on opposing side.
Funny how you say premium price $ 1,749.99, whilst here in Germany we pay around $2,777.99.
would love to see a teardown of the msi card and maybe some tips on how to repair and save the card in case the pump fails
What I'm missing here is a discussion of cards blowing air into versus out of the enclosure. If you blow air into the enclosure you'll need an extra fan to blow it out, doubling the noise.
Getting better scores with my Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 but I have it running in the 30s with stupid airflow. Card runs so cool even when I shut off my cold air intake.
Paul what do you use to monitor the VRAM temp? Afterburner or something else?
I'd rather just buy the Founders Edition and an EK water block.
Would love to see a tear down of the Suprim card for science as I have ideas for mods 👀
Good info of tests on these cards. Fun and exciting to see the results of the tests on these two cards. As I can not afford them. Yet I enjoy and find value in your tests.
I went with most basic : Gigabyte 4090 Windforce. Zero RGB, shroud is plain AF, $300 cheaper than the TUF.
The reason MSI card stands out is it's not four f'ing slots and needing a support beam just to prevent your pcie slot from breaking off the motherboard. They do need to fix that memory contact though, when you're going this high-end there should be no compromises.
What would be the very best for sim racing???
I think air and water are good elements for cooling. I think you'd need long tubes to make earth cool a GPU or CPU, but fire pretty much is a no-go. I think.
Pretty sure the GTX 480 harnessed the power of fire. It even had a built-in grill!
I have the Gigabyte one in this video. It has a really good cooler. I don't care about the "OC" part it's nothing. For me it was about getting one in time for MW2 and have my setup all done.
I don't care about looks. As long as it works as intended, cools well and last long, that's all that matters to me.
So as long as it does the job, I am happy. I came from a GTX 1080, lol.
I do like how good the cooling is for the VRAM, lower than any other card so far. They went all out with thermal pads. 4 year warranty is great as well.
The power limit on the retail cards is 600w. 480/600 The power slider goes up to 125 percent on retail cards. That makes more sense because it does use a 600w adapter.
Hello how long does it take to refill the liquid on that MSI ? also how to detect if the liquid is dried up?
Okay, but where is the 360mm Liquid cooled versions of the 4090? Do I have to wait for the 4090 Ti?
Two words, CONTENT CREATION!!!!! (dual card system). Please review the gigabyte hybrid.
Paul, could you please review pre-custom-water-blocked RTX 4090 cards? I believe the Inno3D GeForce RTX 4090 ICHILL FROSTBITE comes with a water block installed, ready to add to a water loop. I really want a custom water-cooled 4090 but am too nervous to install them myself and void the warranty, so will only buy one that is pre-blocked by the manufacturer. Thanks. :)