Feints - Elden Ring's New Unknown Mechanic
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- Footage taken during the second day of the CNT. Unreleased until now.
I feel very good about this addition to the game and hope other weapons follow suit in this new mechanic!
Thank you so much to Amir for help editing the video.
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If Fromsoft can't find time to add similar animations to other weapon classes, they can allow other classes to cancel the R2s into backstep since the follow-up to these flip animations are similar to the backstep follow-ups. It will still be preferable to have unique similar animations to all other classes of weapons, however, we will take canceling R2s into backsteps over not having anything at all any day.
p.s. Elden Ring is Ashes clone confirmed! lol
Hey a fellow Ashes appreciator
He's quite literally THE original Ashes guy lol :D
@WoodenPCGamerBoi30 nice bait troll. go play minecraft and shut the fuck up.
@@leaf_of_the_wind What is Ashes? Remnant: From the Ashes? Or the 2018 game literally called Ashes?
@@wetnoodlex Probably a mod for one of the dark souls games
between this and making r2's do more poise damage, they've really done alot to make heavy attacks more viable all around, super happy about that
Not to mention the whole Blocking/retaliate/follow-up attack mechanic.... so looking forward to that with my Shield run.
Also just straight up more damage. I forget who, but from some guys testing, most fully charged R2s did about 2.5x the damage of a r1
i wonder who is going to do a "anime run" with the weapon arts only.
@Matúš Martinec consumable only run will be a pain lol
@@cabellism "The Backlogs" did a Weapon Arts only run for Dark Souls 1 (yes, he only weapons that had weapon arts as Heavy Attacks) and "Baron's Castle" and "Plateau Peak" did the same for dark Souls 3, so I would say keep eyes on those channels maybe ;D
Can’t believe these attacks are actually possible to consistently use now
For realz moving the left thumbstick and r1ing at the same time to do this was tedious.
These look cool af
Its pretty easy to pull off consistently in ds3 atleast on my ps4 controller
@@Xer405 true. It wouldn't have been so, if they just increased the timing window. To this day i'll have no idea behind the rationale of making the kick timing window so tight.
@@ayayron8221 I think it was because you might accidentally kick when trying to move forward and attack. Still happened to me a few times. But I agree that the kick is very tedious
great katanas, beast claws and perfumer bottles from the DLC work with this mechanic as well
Smithscript daggers aswell
This is the knowledge I seeked lmao
bloody helice as well
How ?all I can do with my great katana is a back step from charged r2
Great katanas? I used the great katana throughout the whole DLC and I didn't know this??
This was probably obvious to everyone else, but this technique only works for Thrusting Swords, Great Thrusting Swords, and Curved Swords. It cannot be performed with other weapon types, including Curved Greatswords.
thank you, this is exactly what i was reading comments to discover.
@@theendarkenedilluminatus4342 Got you, fam. In fact, as toxic as this community can sometimes be, this sharing of knowledge is one of the things I love best about the SoulsBornKiroRing community. I like to think that From is intentionally obscure with their lore and mechanics if only to help bring the players together through messages boards and videos like this one.
@@theendarkenedilluminatus4342 instead of reading comments, have you tried gitting gud?
@@hamsterdoom360 They are excellent at creating worlds that are as confusing as they are immersive and rewarding. I'm better at other games because of the punishing yet rewarding style of these games.
Thanks, was wondering if it would work with my Bloodhound curved great. Guess not! I'll have to see what other options there are :)
The Ash of War: Kick is purchasable, as well.
Sold by a Knight in northern Stormhill for 800 runes.
SMDH. Micro transactions these days...
@@ZBritt92 modern gaming = L
Microtransactions use real world money. This is not a microtransaction.
@@kronicbucky whoosh
@@kronicbucky joke
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Share this to your Soulsborne groups. I definitely will be.
wow this is really really cool, i love that they expanded the combat so much like poise, guard counter, horseback, powerstance, arts of war ect..
Not to mention the potion/elixer you can create and customize.
And the crafting... the sleep arrow is going to be fucking nuts.
My only question, can you parry a guard counter? If yes it becomes can easy read if no, the meta will be transformed.
@@johncrow5072 now consider this, we combine the retaliation and the backstep feint from one of the top comments to force that interaction for a followup while they're open. this isn't going to happen, but imagine if it could
@@walesjedi9217 …the ballet of death..
@@johncrow5072 guard counters will literally not be shit in pvp though, way too slow and readable
This is crazy, I wonder how many other hidden mechanics this game has... even veteran Souls players didn't find this.
i never even knew that you can backflip in ds3
@@nauro9187 lol me neither
@@nauro9187 you never knew that a curved sword pullback r1 did a flip instead of a kick?
@@tangiblemammal5273 not just ds3, ds1 also has backflip with curved sword
Shouldve named yourself Sushiha
I just learned this in 2024 lol
does this still work? i've literally never seen it anywhere except this video?
@@juvenil6969 yeah only works on curved swords I tried it as soon as I saw the vid
@@juvenil6969sim ainda funciona, inclusive com armas novas da dlc, acabei de descobrir isso
@@SoulXsins A lot of the DLC weapons actually also have this feature
A tip for the feint, the attack itself counts as a backstep, so you can follow up with a backstep attack from it without having to press backstep again
I dont get what your saying. Is there a specific backstep attack? Because I don't see one. I just see that I can do a normal attack out of a backstep. Just like how you can do an attack standing still. Whats the benefit of doing the feint into a backstep? Its not like if this feint didn't have a backstep you wouldn't be able to attack right?
While you're backstepping, hit attack, and you should do something similar to your running attacks. It's by no means the same as just regularly hitting r1, the feint is an extra attack for a total of 2, the feinting attack itself initiating the backstep, and the 2nd is the backstep attack that every weapon has
@@sparktite backstep into an r1 is a totally different attack.
@Socucius Ergalla Probably
Omg that's amazing, I would have never expected non glitched ways to feint attacks in a souls game. I love it!
One of the things I love that I’m noticing is that Elden Ring is encouraging you to fight LIKE a boss, with the new mechanics encouraging a variation of light and heavy attacks, more use of jumping and jump attacks in combat, the counter system, and now a fucking feint backflip, as if they couldn’t be any more clear. No more Chosen Ones spamming R1 attacks. I’m excited to see someone master the game’s mechanics and move around like the Abyss Watchers.
That was introduced in sekiro. Glad theyre bringing it into souls
It’s a really nice gameplay addition that would make ton of noise when Elden Ring comes up
We'll see about the meta once it launched ...
As a wise man once said...
You can be fancy all you want, if you're flat on your ass, you still lost
that was just cringe
Played 12/13 hours now, it definitely feels this way. From software really just combined all they learned in this, aggresive play is super rewarding and i feel like an absolute menace I LOVE IT
With the dlc, you can now feint with Cruved swords, thrusting swords, heavy thrusting swords, great katanas, and beast claws
youve always been able to feint with thrusting swords and heavy thrusting swords
@@EL-BABhe meant the addition of great katanas and beast claws
Great katanas but no katanas. Dang
If you use this in conjunction with the “Frozen Needle” rapier you can rapid fire ice!
U sir are a genius
The animation is so fluid. The swing leading into the backflip doesn't look janky or too fast or anything. No matter when you do it, it looks amazing.
I agree. A lot of people complained that they were just „reusing“ DS3 animations when it seems that they really just used them as a baseline and added more polish and fluidity.
@@amysteriousviewer3772 Yeah, agreed. I hope it's similar for enemies that carry over. No worries on the reskin, but spruce up the animations and add a new move or two.
Wow, this is such a neat mechanic! This will add another layer of complexity to the combat, which is great!
Honestly, I think I might overwhelmed by everything in elden ring. It’s kinda crazy.
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I think it's extremely safe to say in about a year from now we're going to be seeing some extremely gnarly pvp fights.
Well this didn't age well
@@petercottantail7850 hasnt even started aging yet
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All Ive been seeing is moonveil, Rob, stars of ruin spams
9 months later: can confirm, in maybe a few thousand PvP encounters, never seen this once. Admittedly it is quite hard to see through all of the blood
This change further emphasizes elden ring's focus on the importance of r2's in combat and also by extension emphasizes the importance of breaking and maintaining posture
Hopefully they bring back feints for all the weapons like they had in DS2. Being able to cancel the startup of an attack into a backstep to bait the opponent is one of the things that made DS2 pvp the best
This is so cool. I'm definitely going to experiment with this when ER is finally out. The dream would be a fist weapon that scales (bare hands do not) and has the kick art, so I can enjoy damage, kicks and backflips all at once.
Dude immagine if they put the bone fists back in ER, the game would quickly become a Martial arts Movie XD
@@enricorossi5584 Nothing would make me happier, bone fists are my overall favorite weapon from any DS game, just wish they didn't do so little damage
@@enricorossi5584 hadouken
Possibly the wolverine claws, they inflict bleed as well, I’d love to see a build with that lol
Keep uploading, your style and straight to the point videos would be amazing. Even if your future videos are already known inputs tactics or builds your video style will attract attention, thanks for bringing this knowledge to light
Hey man, thank you for the tip! Stuff like this makes this game even more amazing
2:08 my man just wave dashed, can't wait
What a fantastic insight!!!!
I knew I did some kind of backstep attack with the rapier that one time!
I couldn't figure out how did it until now lol.
Thanks!
Just so you know, you can add kick as a weapon art to any weapon from a trader
i couldve sworn that i had weapons with the kick ability
@@1riqoispliskin some get it naturally. In particular crossbows seem to get it a lot.
God Dammit I don’t want people to know this ;-; I want to look cool infront my friend on the 1st day
Legendary discovery!
Instant sub btw. Clear comms, great vid.
Thank you!
Elden ring is the first introduction in the souls series and I'm hooked. There is just so much to do and figure out about the game, that isn't upfront or explained, it's both exciting and frustrating. I haven't looked up so many TH-cam videos about a game to find out what to do or what I could have missed till now. I'm learning new things every day that keep bring me back to the game or logging to get back and play.
I just seen this video and wow I just learned something new. Thank you for this!
Oh wow, I completely missed this. Going to dig through every moveset in the game again to see if it pops up elsewhere. Thanks
I might have some info on that actually, dm me at Orphokos#5230 on Discord if interested
@@Kosorm I tested it with all of the unique curved sword and rapier movesets, it works with them all 👍
This video deserves so much more views. It's always disappointing that big youtubers often look over these small but valuable mechanics present in the game. Not blaming them because they do need to make their videos as shiny as possible to attract wider audience.
Either way I really like these kind of videos. Will you be making more of these focusing on small details/mechanics?
Thank you! And yes i plan to do so!
Idt they didn't show it because they want to cater to a wide audience, this has literally slipped by unnoticed. NOBODY knew about this.
FromSoftware does not usually mention mechanics like these. Sure, they'll mention kicking in Dark Souls, but they won't tell you that curved swords and thrusting swords don't do that in the tutorial messages, let alone from other NPCs. No mention of grab escapes, Lloyd's Talismans to incap mimics. Those are just the ones off the top of my head.
Cuz they want to focus on them parties brah! Make those highlight reels BRAH!
probably because this is only useful in PvP, I guess. i dont feel like people are at that point yet, still just exploring the game itself
The mixup game is real with this POG. Thanks for sharing this with us
Can't wait for ER
On PC you need to hold shift, then left click (hold it too) and then press space. :)
doesnt work for me no matter how I try. I tried it with different weapons also but nothing happens
This is pretty useful for wing of astel. It counts has a curved sword ith a bonkers aoe attack with magic properties
0:56 They actually featured this new feint backflip in the trailer. There's a scene where a character using the "Warrior" class is wielding a curved greatsword and he does a similar "feint backflip" like you do.
I think that was a weapon art actually. It looks somewhat different
@@Kosorm Agreed. Looks similar to the WA of the Curved Wolf Greatsword (name escapes me atm) in DS3.
@@DeltafangEX I dunno it looks like he runs in, does a charged R2, feints, and then uses a weapon art that closes distance for the finish
@@ThatDarkAbyss it’s probably the ability for the bloodhound curved sword
So did you test this with other weapons as well? I’m curious if this is limited to the scimitar or if other weapons have different flips and attacks.
Only fast curved sword for now
I can confirm that Katana at least does not have a backflip feint. Tried after finding this video. Oh well, I'll just have to sate my weeb soul with dual Uchigatana for now.
@@Luinta Noooo, no feint for katana :(
@@barkerbarks2537 I never used it but I’m still sad. Best part about dark souls is literally facing off against every warrior the world knows about
Looks like ninjas need to keep a curved in their back pocket
Just like the previous games, thrusting swords also have their backstep
Sadly if the "kick" was a kick in previous games for your weapon, you're stuck committing to the attack.
Amazing! Just wanted to say, you could also feint/cancel attacks in Sekiro. In fights against other sword wielding enemies like Genichiro and Owl, you could cancel your attacks within a certain time by pressing the block/parry button. The enemy would react to the attack and block as well. It didn't really offer any advantage though. Or at least none that I could exploit
Bro, you have 1 video upload with 1.8M views. Congrats! Would be cool to see more stuff from you.
Fun fact for the DLC: This works for beastclaws too
It's fairly mid, but the weapon that gets the most out of this tech by a longshot is Frozen Needle, the rapier you get from beating a really obnoxious boss under an illusory floor in Kingsrealm Ruins. It shoots a *zero FP ranged attack* when you use the R2 at a slightly longer range than the Moonveil WA. If you feint out of charging an R2 with Frozen Needle, it _still fires the projectile_ for uncharged R2 damage.
Repeated faint strikes also fire needles faster than uncharged R2 attacks. This could be useful against foes that have short ranged strikes or slow heavy strikes, but not so effective against casters or long range ashes of war.
YO WHAAAAAAT !? That’s an amazing find good stuff
This legit makes charged r2s safe. I hope other weapon classes have something similar
It's certainly pretty interesting. Not sure this beats out how powerful shields will be without a reasonable shield break mechanic, but we'll have to see.
I hope the shields take more damage from R2’s, to further emphasize using them in pvp and such, just glad everything seems to get a use this time around though
@@__bepis____bepis__308 They'll almost certainly do more stamina damage - such was the case in DS3 - the question is "will it be enough?"
On the bright side, the old tactic of circle-stabbing doesn't seem to work in PvP. So the only payoff to turtling behind a shield forever is not taking damage.
But any shield-penetrating AoW or capabilities will be important if you ever hope to squeeze a kill out of a frantically turtling scrub.
Even better: the flip counts as a backstep, so you can follow up with a backstep r1, especially useful on rapiers since you will make that little disengage slice and then the big lunge forwards again, allowing for precise footwork
I had to come back to this video and just say thank you all of the tips and tricks videos that are out there and nobody that I've seen has talked about this yet I still to this day haven't seen most of the major TH-camrs talk about this yet but this little trick this one little trick right here helped me get through more than half of the game underleveled and under equipped so thank you sir!!
I would absolutely LOVE it if they make you able to feint out of a charging attack on UGS to maybe deliver a quick, low damage knee/shoulder tackle to mix up windows where backstab fishers and or dagger/SW users try to go in between your swings.
I have high hopes for elden ring being an intense, and unique experience.
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@@SpyroL33t no buts no cuts no coconuts
Oh damn, that's sick. I wonder if this feint has i-frames to them?
No s but a ton of poise
@@Kosorm This is huuuge for backstabs! Gonna be fun :)
If they fix them in the day 1 patch ofc.
@Kheops IV Smells like ptsd to me lmao. Don't worry ill be too busy doing my first run as a level 1 to be worried about wooping your ass with or without backstabs. It adds depth but you clearly only know the surface game.
@Fisheryboi Its more about integrating it into your playstyle. Backstab fishing actually gets incredibly deep and keeps people from playing sloppy. On a serious note if you actually want to learn I can show you what mean sometime. I get your mindset and agree with your philosophy, but I think a lot of it comes from being annoyed by the typical cringe fisher.
Damn, it looks so fancy
I appreciate that this vid WASN'T 10 minutes long! Short and to the point, fantastic!
thats an amazing discovery! thank you for sharing, I haven't seen this from any of my usual sources. you just earned a new sub :D
This adds some depth to the execution of combat animations/moves. I love it
i thought i'd be seeing a return of r2 cancels from ds2, but this is interesting to. hope to see it used among all the weapon types instead of just curved swords
What do the other weapons do with this input? Can't imagine greatswords etc. back flipping
Probably the kick, or the quick step we've seen
Stomp?
Or push
I think they do nothing.
as of now I understand only fast curved swords are able to do it.
Rapiers too
Bro made one video about Elden Ring and then dipped. Legendary.
I did this once by accident and never knew how to do it again, thanks for explaining!
Staying far, far away from pvp but I can see this being pretty damn useful against pretty much anything, especially if it has i-frames or high poise.
Seems really nice for when you mess up the timing of a charged R2.
I bet there are gonna be some unique weapons that do something special when using this mechanic
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It seems the backflip only works on curved swords (curved greatswords not included). However, I noticed Thrusting Sword/Heavy Thrusting Sword weapons have a feint animation as well. It’s essentially a thrust and a backwards dodge combined. It is distinctly different from every other weapon where the animation plays out and then you dodge (regardless how early you press circle/B)
To be honest I really love the improvements to the combat system in Elden Ring. Pretty much the only main complaints now are backstabs (since they're almost always janky) and the delayed netcode compared to other pvp multiplayer games. Otherwise; the jump attacks are great, ashes of war leave tons of variety in an already large weapon sandbox, stance breaking spices up gameplay a lot and encourages more heavy attacks rather than R1 spam or parry baiting, and this "feint" mechanic makes players finally feel more agile and can be used in some mind games possibly.
I do as well but my complaint would be a lot of my hits no registering on bosses or big enemies. I'll go to hit someone and it will be a clear hit but it won't register sometimes. I imagine it's just bosses being at a certain point in their animation where the hit can't register but ots sucks and really annoys me. Also sometimes my jump attack doesn't register and never does the attack part, he just jumps 😂
Do other weapons have a feint? This is interesting for pvp. Reminds of the Champions Ashes mod as well.
Based discovery
I've just discovered today on my own that with the "Nobles Estoc" (a thrusting sword) if you hold R2 and press circle (somewhere around the halfway point of the charged heavy) it will cancel into a quick thrust, and additionally I found that if you quick step backwards and immediately hit R1 you will take several steps forward and jab your sword.
I am thoroughly impressed sir. Excellent work
whoa! that rules!
Homie has ONE video with 2.2mil views
Aside from the curved swords, are the other weapon types have feints?
All thrusting swords have it including rapiers and heavy rapiers
I didn't discover this but I did wonder that even certain weapons doesn't give this quick direction jump animation. Huge thx to you and 👍 for the first clip like it seems.
Straight to the point with brand new information. Bravo. thanks brother
Good. I hated the old kick. I absolutely never used it on purpose. Every single time I used it was on accident and I couldn't even replicate it on purpose. This seems a lot more useful.
the old kick was great for shield users. i got so many ripostes by kicking people’s shields out of the way. i’ll miss the kick 😔
what about other weapons ?
As of right now there are no other weapon classes that have them. Thrusting swords are likely to have them as well and hopefully in the full release other weapons will too
@@Kosorm oh man i was hoping for some greatsword feint. have u tried with a greatsword ?
@@ValentinParkourGaming i have yes
I can’t do it why 😭😭
Thats really cool,I've shared the video to my group of xbox friends.Thanks for this information!
Kick is on a number of weapons by default and can also be purchased as an independent ash of war from Knight Bernahl
Or you can get good
Do any other weapons have this mechanic, or something similar? Mostly curious about greatswords, to be honest; heavy weapons desperately need mix ups and the like.
It seems a certain great sword is able to block while charging an R2, don't remember the name though
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How do you make one video and get 1.7 million views what dark sorcery is this
Thank you for the information I plan to use this knowledge for future pvps keep up the good work
This is crazy, I didn't know about this until now... And I have played the game since day one!
0:46 probably cause it's still pretty useless lol.
This is not a feint this is a back attack and it’s been in the games since dks1.
Does not work
im just sad there isnt a resevoir of vidoes to watch on ur channel. instantly subbed and liked after the first 30 seconds. thanks for this vid.
Thanks man! More coming soon
Kick is an ash you can apply to more then a few weapons, and some weapons COME with kick to start with. Its not solely relegated to the unarmed ash.
Wow, awesome discovery. I've always loved that animation but it always seemed practically useless. Might have to try out a curved sword this time around 🤔
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Surprised to see you here Peeve :)
I just went thru all the small, short and crazy blades I have and tested them all :(
I have nothing good to report back to you souls lol
Far from useless in DS3
Its been 2 months and yes i did not notice until now thank you!
“But what does this mean for pvp?”
Fully expected the next sentence to be “absolutely nothing, haha moonveil night&flame rotten breath go brrrr”
I used the kick all the time. It not only broke shields, it would stop enemy attack animations, too. I was so salty when I learned the kick was gone.
This video is 2 years old and this is still only the first time I've ever heard of this.
I remember accidentally doing this and not knowing how and thinking I was crazy
1 video, super informative, high quality, no ba, straight to the point, 2 millions well deserved views
Bro got 3k subs off of a well made and really interesting video, honestly made me get up at midnight to test this out with a bunch of different weapon classes.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Congratulations on a great first vid!
WHY AM I JUST SEEING THIS 2 YEARS LATER?!
Literally in plates armor and this lad does an air aerial after a full swing, what a legend
AHA! I've done it a couple times by accident, so I knew it was possible, but i could never figure out what the input was! Thanks for this.