These 3 Rocks Can Charge Your Phone!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- At what point in history could you charge your cellphone? In this video I explore the history of the first practical battery: the Daniell Cell, and figure out what it would take to use it to recharge a modern cellphone.
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You reminded me, I need to copy the whole of wikipedia to my phone, just in case I get flung back in time and don't know anything about how future tech works.
you have 50% charge, and have to find food, shelter, and materials before it runs out...
could be a new "survivor" show!
And the book from that guy he's spoken to a few times James Dartnell or some such called "The Knowledge" . (I actually have a copy of it in the Kindle so on my phone, lol, for reading in downtime but don't want to break it the Kindle)
I use Kiwix for that, wikipedia is about 80GB with images fwiw
If you search Google there is a Wiki page out there with detailed guides on how to do alot of things.
one word: Kiwix
It really goes to show how much energy is needed to run a telegraph for these batteries to actually be used up to the 1950.
Impedance plus the distances involved, and i think proximity to the ground had a weakening effect as well, even with lines above the height of railroad cars. (But don't ask me to explain it, lol)
@@Grandwigg The capacitance of the line was not important in telegraphic lines. But with the advent of telegraphic submarine cables it became important.
They used these cells is because they could be made on-site, every day. The components could be separated back out and reused. Low cost. It would have been far too expensive to use a supply of disposable sealed batteries. And rechargeable weren't of any use, if there was no other electricity source to recharge with.
was planning a trip for 1820 with the fam, thanks for the tutorial
Just don't be black😢
The "tastes like a 9v battery" "ooh! Spicy!" 9:00
Well hell 12 hours to even 20 to charge modern day tech with homemade 1800s tech is alot better than i thought. Honestly didnt think youd get to 100% charge using that. Awesome video.
I mean my old phone sometimes took 12-20 hours to charge because of a bad called and shitty old phone.
Definitely! 30 hours may seem long, but if that means you can keep using your cell phone until it wears out that's an incomparable improvement.
Are you OK
Glad your new assistants have practical knowledge of their own, it brings the series back closer to its original feel of curiosity and discovery
Thank you! That really means a lot!
@@ElliotKrueger No problem man! Keep up the ingenuity!
Watching from the year 1223. Life saving video. Thanks
2024?
@@Aarush.A.Sno. 1223
@@themailmann5960damn how you got there. I only found the way to 1462
1224 anyone?
I messed up my time machine and I ended time traveling to 842BC, the greeks helped me to go back to 2024, this video literally saved my life
also the bagdad battery was just a curse jar... I know cuz i saw an interview with the guy who found the site they were discovered at and opened them and saw the curses on the paper inside the jars...
Improve charge time by turning off the phone. And because internet stuff wouldn't work, enable airplane mode to extend life. Furthermore, since you're limited to only what is on the phone, you can have it off when not needed, further extending time between charges. After all, how often are you going to need the calculator function or photos? Unless you've downloaded wikipedia...
Nitpick: you didn't produce an array of batteries, you produced a battery. Of cells.
So then everything we call a battery that isn't made up of a series of cells is actually a cell? AA, AAA, C, D, etc. batteries, all cells not batteries?
@@KainYusanagi Yes, those are all cells. Depending on your particular definitions they might _also_ be batteries.
I think a lead acid battery would have been simpler, then build a generator hooked into your human sized hamster wheel.
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I can't wait for the sequel where you build a cell tower from scratch😂
Wonder just how hard would it be to make a decent zinc-air battery. They're a lot simpler in construction with modern supplies, but I kinda wonder if that would still have been the case in the late 1800s, early 1900s?
NurdRage did one several years ago
I love the early electrical circuits and power sources, very fun!
Definitely interested in getting a Flexispot desk soon!
Oh shoot, I should probably download this TH-cam video in case I accidentally find myself in a different time period. Thanks for reminding me.
8:46 LEMONADE!
After using this in 1800 your Phone is charged enough to message uber, you text . . . "Hey Uber, You won't believe when I am." . .Uber driver texts you . . "on my way" You look at your phones Uber car icon starts spinning in place then disappears to pop up in front of you. Weird Al" Yankovic is driving the Carriage from "Amish Paradise" He sings as you get on and the carriage spins and brings you back to modern times.
lol ok AI
Wow so funny
I’ve been wanting to see this done for years. Whenever I see a modern show where the MC transport to another world, they usually use magic to power phones. Naturally, I wondered how/if you can McGyver a real life solution.
Very cool! Thank you!
Past? I am not travelling there! Great video ;)
Love your videos
Thank you!
You could have made a lead acid battery from technology over 1,000 years ago. Galena and sulfur and glass to make the whole thing. Will also be able to get some silver out of the galena when purifying it to lead. Also, don't need to remove all the other metals from the galena, as long as you get at least 50% lead.
You can certainly make a lead-acid battery but those are rechargeable so you'd still have the same predicament. AFAIK if you start with lead plates the battery would be fully discharged.
@@eDoc2020 They will actually have a bit of voltage on them, and if the lead is oxidized to begin with(only the positive plate/anode should be oxidized lead), it will react with the battery acid and be anywhere from 20% to 60% charged just from being built. I have been experimenting with building my own lead acid batteries the past few months and lead acid batteries have such a capacity that even mostly dead without being charged after being built, they still put out much more power than the batteries he showed.
@@johnbrizendine7716 Oh, good point. Rusty plates on one side, clean ones on the other would mean it starts at 'partial charge'. I didn't think of that. Still requires working with a bunch of lead and sulphuric acid though, ick.
@@05Matz this is true, definitely risky and toxic, but totally worth it for quick easy cheap power.
Wire mesh also helps make more surface area than the same size in sheet metal
Be sure to have a little solar panel with you which is suitable to charge your phone.
If you time-travel to a point where there is no sunlight, your phone might be the last problem to worry about.
I'd go for any sort of generators. Water, wind or steam generator seems legit to me.
generators make ac, vary with the input speed, and rectifiers, well, you just need decent capacitors but i'm not sure how one really makes those, but the operating principle is so simple. Anyways, a battery is a generator. It uses the chemical energy in the solution, or in the metal of the contacts, to power stuff. And, you aren't tethered to a river whenever you want to charge your phone. Though yeah, generator is a very good idea, but needs either a rechargeable battery or an essentially modern psu for anything digital/communicaty.
@@Rowlesisgay If we only swap out the power source in this video's setup, so he gets to keep everything other than the batteries, I'm pretty sure AC would work just as fine.
@@ysolda9614 why ? phones charge with dc and I didn't see any rectifiers.
Idk, when I go back in time I tend to build an induction motor and rectifiers to charge my electronics. Far less waste involved, and you can use a river or stream to power your devices over long stays with no effort after installation. What is really tricky, is making a reliable charging cable. I mean, who wants to spend that kind of money on a self-destructing USB cable to meet the FTTA guidelines for temporal litter every time you want to visit your time-share. AD Timelines and BC Time are already charging an arm and a leg for luggage.
I like your videos 😁👍
badass bro!
Thanks!
I maintain Edison batteries. The voltage comes from the chemical reaction of the batteries. The amp capacity comes from the surface area of the electrodes in the salt bridge solution and the distance between the electrodes. Battery manufacturers use a mesh like electrodes to increase the amp capacity and size.
Deep cycle NiCd, FeLiPO4, and FeNi use a a lattice framework layered with powdered Ni and Cd. The powder increases the surface area for each plate.
There are some Edison batteries that have been in service for about a hundred years. My batteries' age are about forty and fifty years.
Thanks now I have a good cover as a traveling battery merchant!
Given the initial idea of a time travelling person, you may not only need a telegraph station but also a fitting plug adapter for charging your smartphone within 30 hors. But I like the idea. Please (for foreign followers) add the final ingredients written in full on-screen. Thank you.
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So I understand that the video is about making a battery, which was very fascinating, however, based on the title, would it not be easier to make a generator, powered by a water wheel? Oddly enought the exact premise is something I have thought about (going back in time and needing to charge my phone), and I always figured that a geneartor would be easier to create/source material for then the chemicals for a battery. Basically, magnets and copper wire. I'm not an engineer, so maybe its more difficult?
the magnets?
I think this is something we're definitely wanting to do. However, one of the major setbacks is how to produce permanent magnets of a significant strength. From what I understand, natural loadstone magnets are pretty weak, and making stronger ones typically requires pulses of electricity at a very high current. Additionally, you'll want to produce a lot of very thin wire, which from our experience, is pretty laborious. I don't think any of this is outside the realm of possibility though!
@@ElliotKruegerisn't it feasible to generate electricity by having a small battery serving as a "starting magnetic field" and the generated current in part to amplifying the magnetic fields further. I thought that car alternators partially work like that. When you spin then you don't feel the axle locking that you feel when spinning a permanent magnet motor. I am not an expert though...
@@JPRTonundFilmstudio Yes, self-excitation is the way to get around a lack of permanent magnets. The Daniel cell would provide enough for initial excitation.
Could you try to use electrolysis of water to do something? As well as make a primitive form of a power alternator?
I am immediately wondering how one would be able to test the voltage or the battery? Assuming advanced tech and knowing the voltage (and amps, ect) that it would require, how could you test that in the same rudimentary way you are creating the battery? Other than not overcharging or undercharging, how would you know you got it?
Look up the “electroscope”, a very early means of detecting and measuring charge.
early voltmeters are made with a very high resistance resistor attached to an extremely sensitive galvanometer. A galvanometer is constructed like a motor, except that it only has a single coil/pole and it contains a spring that pulls it out of alignment.
Applying voltage causes current to flow, which causes the galvanometer to pull against the spring. As the tension force of a spring is directly proportional to the elongation of the spring, the angle where the galvanometer stops rotating indicates the amount of force the galvanometer is applying, which is proportional to the amount of current flowing through the coils. As the current is directly proportional to voltage, this gives you an indication of the voltage. To avoid draining so much current that the voltage sags from battery internal resistance, the whole system is calibrated to run with very very little current.
@@PixlRainbow It might be interesting for us to attempt to construct one of these. I don't mind my current method though, of just "tasting" the electricity 🙂.
Depending on how far in the past we're talking about, you should be able to do some electrolysis and then doing the math should be fairly easy for the kind of person to randomly make themselves a battery one day lol
Galvonometer
The thing that I love in your videos is that you ar use chemical compound and elements from nature
Everything on Earth was derived from "nature".
those are some pretty sick batteries
Thanks! All I need is the internet.
This video better been worth it. Just accidentally traveled to 1294 BCE and my phone has exactly 14 minutes of charge left.
Great
wait, are you generating power? or are you storing power? this part was confusing.. also what kind of hardware did you create to convert the raw power dc, back to ac to charge the phone?
Verry nice project!
Now i have a good intuition on how much more energy dense these lithium batteries are.
Copper, sulfur and zinc are all non toxic, right?
(unlike lead acid batteries)
They're... not _non_ toxic (I know copper compounds in particular are dangerous for fish and other aquatic organisms), but they're things I'd be much happier working with than lead. I'm certainly no chemical expert though.
AFAIK, all three should be only 'temporary' poisons that clear from your system over time if a little bit of contamination gets in. Lead sticks around mostly for life. Some of those compounds might be harmful just because their PH would burn you, though?
Lead acid batteries are full of... well, strong acid though. that would DEFINITELY burn you. So these batteries are almost certainly much safer, I would think.
Modern lead acid batteries are pretty good at keeping both the lead and the acid far away from you, though.
Can you try to make a functional eléctric generator Now that you "unlock" wires?
If your a time traveler use gold instead of copper as well this is genius for reactions as it is reactveless making it very good at increasing voltage when needed
The irony of the comment (12:18) of how simple telecommunications starts and where it is today, modern communications uses a digital signal (either on or off) and the old simple telegraph uses a digital signal (either on or off), it is just the encoding of the signal that has changed. The modern system uses a fixed byte size and standardises the signal, where as the 'old tech' used a variable byte size with an 'end' signal, thus minimising the 'dead' time in the transmission (when no data was being sent, just empty bits), example on Morse code 0 (zero), which has the longest signal in Morse code (5 dashes) is a 23 bit byte (1110111011101110111000), but e is only a 4 bit byte (1000), both having the 000 as the 'end signal' to show the end of the byte, thus saving 19 bits of bandwidth for use on the next byte (or more). Funny how sometimes 'old technology' is often more advanced than the 'new technology' as the old timers had to make more efficient use of the available resources (in this case the 'bandwidth' available).
when is HTME making a time machine?
This also means, you could replace the whole array of jars in a telegraph station with your phone battery and power it for quite some rime.
which video on this channel covers the process of producing zinc? Weirdly I can't find it. Only the video about making Roman brass.
hmm, i think your time traveler might find it more convenient to bring along a solar battery pack (but this is really cool)
Well yeah... electricity is electricity 😂
for this purpose, it would be a lot easier to create electricity using a motor as you would only need copper and magnets. But you would need to crank it or pedal or something
What about using something more renewable, like water power? Practical from scratch?
For everyone interested in the actual history of the 'Bhagdad Batterie', you might want to watch Miniminutemans vid on that.
2:24 may i ask what type, kind, brand name of mask are you wearing? I am trying to get a good one for me.
Transported to the past. How do you determine voltage suitable for charging without a volt meter?
Wait I’m a little confused, when he makes something, is he allowed to use the modern version if it’s not any different than historic ones? For example the copper cups
Can you make a battery
1500”s to charge a phone
We are planning a trip this weekend
If closer is better but there’s the problem of buildup on the floor, could you set the copper pieces on top of something non conductive?
From what I understand, one of the benefits of these batteries is that copper is what is forming and collecting on the bottom of the jar. Since the bottom electrode is already made of copper, this only adds to the surface area and potentially increases the amperage of the battery over time.
These batteries have what plants crave!
this is a topic that I'm really interested in, although I'm pretty sure if I get to time travel I won't have enough time to do any of this before I get burn for being a Witch
Okay but can you make a steam engine and train rails?
I'm just wondering how you unlocked fast travel to get ores from around the country. :P
A steam engine would be a really neat goal, but idk how achievable it is. If you can, it also allows you to make a steam electric generator.
that's actually kind of impressive
This was great, but can you really charge an iPhone without precise machining for the charge cable? As I understand, even just copper wire requires pretty impressive machines.
Can you make rubber from the Pará rubber tree (Hevea brasilienisis) using proces called tapping.
My advice to all time travelers: like the video that way its easier to find when u need it^^
I would have thought a Lead Acid battery would be easier to make, if you have safe access to Sulfuric Acid. Am I wrong?
If it was 1860 and I had to wait just 30 hours to charge my iphone, I would be stoked😂. Although I’m not sure the phone would be of much use with no internet or cell service
Now you just need to come up with Pb/PbSO4 battery... which is rechargeable... And still in use... And you've already gotten the Galena and sulfur in other videos.
This is all fascinating however wouldn't it be easier to simply create a simple generator? If you have access to a water wheel rpm shouldn't be an issue
What about the rechargeable lead acid batteries that Cody's lab made. Wad that not until later
So it seems if you're using the crows foot battery, you should use a thicker gauge wire to suspend the zinc electrodes
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Glad you enjoyed it!
@@ElliotKrueger ye
Bigger problem would be, if you did not have the charging cord with you, no-one could produce such delicate parts back then, well maybe a jeweler
As it turns out, you just need to be able to produce some wires and come up with a way to connect them into the charge port on your phone. With Android, we found that you only need the power and ground leads to charge it. However, with iPhones, you would need a total of 4 wires, two of which for power and ground, and two of which for data and ground. You'd then have to supply two different voltages, with the data being 3v in order to signal the phone that it's okay to accept a charge. It took some experimentation for us to get this to work, and I may have destroyed more than one of HTME's iPhone chargers figuring this out. 🙂
Did you ever explain how you got the zinc sulfate? I assume you just dissolved some zinc in sulfuric acid, but you really should've mentioned it. I don't think we ever saw you unlock that chemical.
There is no zinc sulphate. He made copper sulphate, sulphuric acid and made a crows foot of zinc and copper
@@christopherhendriks9659 He says 'zinc sulfate' around 7:16 or so. And again at 9:50.
I'd be interested in seeing a custom made electric motor that can use physical rotation to generate electric current in same concept as this.
Why did you need to ask discord in order to learn about gravity cells? There's a whole section about them on the Wikipedia article for daniell cells, including the image of the design that you show. In future you can probably save some time by checking the Wikipedia article for whatever you're making. At least, it would have worked here.
You should really colab with primitive technology, he could probably do half of this stuff over 6 months with literal stone and metal tools…
Dude is from Queensland in aus, everything he does is legit, he is the reason there are thousands of foreign people faking digging huts with pools and you can see the excavation marks on the dirt above… he’s the real deal. IF you watch him do yourself a favour and curb on CC closed captions, because he had a full explanation of what he’s doing as the video goes along as he doesn’t talk.
If you were to go back in time 100 years or farther in time with your phone you’ll only be able to take pictures/film your surroundings, use the calculator, listen to music, and watch save videos/movies.
There wouldn't be a wireless tower to use to make calls/text, there would not be WiFi/ internet, maybe your clock wouldn't work right, calendar, weather app, maps, payment by phone, and other apps
I think that goes without saying. Clock, calender would work and you can use maps like normal maps
Your phone also has a built-in compass, and also an accelerometer that allows it to serve as a spirit level or an elevation gauge. Some phones are also capable of basic AM/FM radio reception, and the headphone jack can be jerry-rigged for AM/telegraph radio transmissions with the right app. If you have any plate solver apps or celestial navigation apps saved, those would still work to automatically calculate your location as they only depend on the position of natural objects (sun, stars, time of day, etc)
Unlocked serious potential. Lol
Probably would make more sense to create a small generator with a treadmill although you somehow need to rectify the AC produced.
Not an engineer.But I believe it’s all about how you place the poles of the magnets to create AC/DC current. I think that if you put the magnets with interchanging magnetic field, that will create AC. But if you put them with the same field pointing in one direction, then it will create DC.
@@fairybeliever4479 The changing magnetic field is what creates the voltage. What you do is generate AC but use a mechanical commutator for rectification. This is basically a brushed DC motor.
I heard that ur from Minnesota. Are u?
Your phone has a battery, wouldn’t it make more sense to create a way to generate electricity and charge the battery on the phone? Like making a wind turbine, hydro dam, bicycle generator, etc
wouldnt it be easier to create a dynamo? Or is it to hard to get a magnet?
The magnet seems to be the tricky part at the moment. Natural loadstones seem to be pretty weak, and manufacturing magnets sounds like we'll need a very high pulsed electrical current to form them. I hope we can figure it out though!
Thought that movie scene was funny because not drinking that should be obvious, but sulfuric acid and copper sulfate are both odorless. If you were thirsty, you might not have any indication that this clear liquid would kill you
You may be able to charge it but without the Cell Towers, what good would it be? You could play downloaded games on it. 😆
wow, get your batteries prepared to send message signals over telegraph. We're stupidly spoiled these days. Crazy where we're at now.
Wow
If you find yourself unexpectedly transported to the past, you might have to create 1800s technology to charge your phone, but if you take a planned trip to the past, I think you would be much better off taking some portable solar panels and/or a hand-crank generator. This is the first video from this channel I've watched in a while. Have you tried building an electrical generator yet? Perhaps you could attach it to a water wheel. Speaking of telecommunications, I've seen some old telephones that used a hand crank to provide alternating current to provide power to a ringer in the central office. I wonder, how long would such a generator take to charge a smart phone?
I think this is something we're wanting to do, but one of the setbacks is being able to produce homemade permanent magnets of significant strength.
@@ElliotKrueger Under your rules, would you need to invent an airplane to travel to China to mine neodymium?
@@ElliotKruegeryou could bypass permanent magnets using an alternator approach, where the magnetic field comes from another coil powered by batteries.
I can take pictures and videos with my phone, which would be magic 160 years ago. But the best features require the Internet
I love your vids but please please please do something about the noise cancellation or whatever effect I'm hearing on your lapel mic. The little pop whenever you start talking is really grating on the ears.
Would it be easier to charge a phone with a crude Battery or would it be better to build a crude motor to generate power.
Any chance you can do a rechargeable battery? That's a more recent invention for sure...
Lead-acid batteries were invented in 1859. That's 25 years after the Daniel cell.
I know this isn’t the main point of your channel and just the framing device for this video, but you glossed over one of the key steps with half a sentence: how to change random noisy input into something your phone can actually use. Do you have any resources on that, or possibly plans for a follow-up video?
Batteries are essentially noise-free, you can charge your phone directly. You only need to deal with noise if you're using a generator.
@@eDoc2020 Huh, I would have expected noise anyway with this setup. But either way it also is not compliant with USB-PD or any other charging protocol the phone expects
@@danielrhouck Traditional 5v USB charging (non-Apple) is indicated by connecting the two USB data lines together, there's no fancy protocol required.
@@eDoc2020 Nothing was created to be able to measure 5V to within any sort of tolerance
@@danielrhouck True, they just used a modern digital multimeter for that. But you really don't need to measure it, an unloaded Daniel cell puts out 1.1 modern volts under normal temperature. 5 in series gives 5.5v which is tolerable.
The semi-modern volt wasn't in use until 1893 and Ohm's law wasn't widely believed until the 1850s. So for the purposes of time travel and using modern devices you can't go back further without bringing your own voltmeter. But if you're that late you can also use a generator. If you bring a modern phone charger it would work fine on an Edison distribution network.
What is the nyquist frequency on a telegraph machine? If I went back in time, made a relay to send pwm from my headphone jack down a telegraph, their minds would explode
Downloading this in case I ever get sent back to the past.
While a battery might exist. How does one charge it?
I was thinking that someone could use some crude form of hand crank unit.
This form of electrochemical battery produces the charge, and doesn't require charging like a modern lead-acid battery does. The charge runs out as it runs out of reactants. With this specific battery, you generally only need to add more copper sulfate to keep it going.
making a hand cranked generator might be easier?
This video really shines a light (pun definitely intended) on the fragility of all modern civilisation. I fear for the day that we run out of oil.
At this point oil is a convenience, not a necessity. We can make any hydrocarbons we want out of hydrogen and carbon. Prices will swing, energy demand will spike, but we won't actually lose anything critical.
I wonder how energy intensive this process of making hydrocarbons is. I imagine extremely. If it was straight forward that’s what we’d be doing now. Sounds like a pipe dream to me. Like the pipe dream that caterpillar had in Alice in Wonderland.
@@Michealfarmer Very colorful. Good thing modern chemistry doesn't run on gut feelings and metaphor.
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