Actually not every on Saved By the Bell were rich. Kelly was not rich. Lisa the only black kid on the show was actually the richest. Which is why a lot of Saved By the Bell fans did not like the reboot. Not everyone at Bayside was wealthy.
I love this video, and I OBVIOUSLY LOVED GOSSIP GIRL but... I seriously doubt that they’ll ever be able to recreate it because as you excellently showed us, IT WAS PERFECT FOR THAT TIME. We need to get out of this “going back in time” reboot crazed phase. Art only takes off when it is relevant to the present moment and time that we are in. Creativity is seriously lacking nowadays🙄
The only thing that was missing from this (which I don’t know WHY I had hoped for) was the extra mention of subliminal racism. Vanessa was not a character meant to be liked from the minute she was introduced, and all her following actions only fueled more hatred. She was the only “black” main/supporting character on the show AND SHE WAS EXTRA LIGHT SKINNED. ...but I suppose I’m not surprised that this wasn’t mentioned. We know what only matters.
@@melissaperez5370 thats simpley becuse many consider the sexual assult not to be cannon. Nothing with chuck makes sence if the first episoder really are Canon. Ex he does not have a Mothers, yeeeeet in the pilot (i think mabye a couple ep later) he says something about his mother. The ones that made this series says that they change their mind completly about him.
@@Matilda-u5n And that honestly emphasizes what even the cast have said multiple times. The show felt like a sketch. The writers would always change things last minute that’s the definition of bad writing.
@@melissaperez5370 its a flaw but i would not say that its ruin the hole show....of that is the biggest problem in the show then it really shows how good the show really was.
@@Matilda-u5n we are entitled to our opinions I enjoy the show flaws and all. However given that the show depends on the scripts and writing I would say it’s a big problem. I mean just look at the horrible final season. Let’s see if the writing improves in the sequel series
Had to pause halfway to say your summary of Blair as the "loveable classist" is definitely the blueprint for like an entire generation of mean girls following in her footsteps. sad!
yes^^^ Bridgerton somehow feels so...contrived. made solely for the reason of casting a Black lead without any reflection whatsoever on how Hollywood can finally de-centralize whiteness. that by casting a BIPOC character ONLY to play Eurocentric roles...this essentially defeats the purpose of casting them in the first place.
@@anniebootboot Although I do think Bridgerton should get criticism, I think the point (of bridgerton) was more inclusivity. Rodger's and Hammerstein's Cinderella with Brandy did a similar thing with a diverse cast in a European inspired setting and it was criticized for the diversity being inconsistent (black mom, white dad, Filipino son). Even if its escapism, having BIPOC in a fantasy or fiction not being oppresses or discriminated against should be allowed to be a more common thing. If white people want to watch a series where white people get oppressed they watch war movies. If they want to watch series of them not being oppressed, they got thousands to choose from. If BIPOC want to watch series of themselves not being oppressed they don't have as much choice. Media is all about moods and if a BIPOC wants to feel like a frilly 19th century princess, they should be allowed to. But I do agree the BIPOC characters in Bidgerton just feel like they're playing Mr. Darcy and other European characters then briefly mention that they are no longer oppressed because X. While having a white girl tell the BIPOC guy what she wants him to do and him just following through because he loves her. Didn't sit well with me. You can have diversity and feminism, but not like that. I need more escapism than that. Like Cannon Busters or something... (sorry for the long comment, I'm not good at being brief...)
@@karakurie yeah for sure but like... It feels backwards to cast BIPOC in a frilly european period piece and call it “escapism” when the reality was so dreadful for anyone who wasn’t white. Like... Should we really be romanticizing and idolizing such a venomous era? Especially to the extent that we manage to completely erase the sinister reality of it? It feels inappropriate and disrespectful to me but idk. If we’re gonna make more unnecessary content about western history I feel like we shouldn’t be sugar coating it with inclusivity and spoon feeding it to people. It’s abt time we either stop being so eurocentric or we stop glamorizing such a damaging culture and expose westernization for how horrendous it was and is
@@crunkcore I would agree with you, but Shondaland produced Bridgerton. Shonda Rhimes helped bring it into being. It's unfair that just because the historical period of reference was an ugly time doesn't mean BIPOC can't be included in that kind of story. I'm sure there are loads of GoT fans who are BIPOC who'd would have liked to see themselves in fantasy stories not as slaves etc, considering its a fantasy. There are plenty of BIPOC who enjoy dressing in vintage european fashion, wearing lolita, or cosplaying european characters. I don't think they are romanticizing it, they're definitely aware of the history, but some people, again, like frilly rocococo fashion and to imagine a fantastical version that includes them. Again, media is all about moods. For me too. Sometimes I wanna imagine myself as a Japanese ninja, doesn't mean I think assassination is cool or that I would want to live in that place or time period. I don't think BIPOC should be limited to writing stories about their ethnic backgrounds. (I don't think you meant that, I just want to say that.) And sorry again for the long reply.
Unpopular opinion: Jenny is a victim that went from a naive child who wanted to be friends with the popular girls to being villainized for for just living her life and pursuing her goals. She didn’t do what the rich kids wanted her to do so she was a problem child.
The "judging an older movie by today's standards" comments always tickles me because people seem to think society didn't start caring about certain things until three years ago.
Yeah. These things were always harmful, just because fewer people were aware of that/ talked about it back then diddnt make it any less so than if a show today did the same thing.
Chuck was the sleaziest, deplorable character. He was boring, had no morale and so whiny. Jenny Humphrey should've come out looking like a hero and a survivor turned cold, instead, a young girl turned villain at random as they made it seem in the show.
I know, that was horrible. The young girl gets sexually harassed and bullied and then she is bannished from New York. Imagine if that happened in real life. And the guy that assaulted her becomes the hero.
Chuck sexually assaulted two women in the first episode, was overall creepy throughout the series and treated Blair like crap most of the time. How does anyone like him???
I will say in regards to Jenny/Taylor Momsen, those are problems to take up with the writers and producers, not actors. If Jenny started acting more like irl Taylor (which she 100% did) thats a writing issue, not an acting issue. I really wish more people read the books and especially the It Girl books, which surrounded Jenny Humphrey, and then they would know that it obviously wasn't just Taylor's decision, it was a writing choice
I didn't even knew people hated on Taylor, Jenny yes, people are very vocal about that... But Taylor? She is a very talented and down to earth singer and her band The Pretty Reckless are amazing
Taylor Momsen admitted that she told wardrobe what she wanted to wear, even hair and makeup, so yes, production probably should have reined that in....
i think right now many of us are tired of seeing the rich life from rich perspectives that's why movies like parasite are so important because it show the real abuse of rich people towards the lower classes, if the reboot intends to be like the original but with poc as main characters I'm sorry but I think is gonna flop, we don't want to see rich people getting along with crimes we want to see a more realistic way of how nepotism and classism work
Personally I DO wanna see rich kids life? Like hello? 2020 was terrible, the world is a mess I don’t want to watch anything that’s actually took realistic and honestly boring. I wanna escape. That’s what I liked about gossip girl. It was like having an insight into their life and it was exciting and scandalous. Not everything needs to be a lesson or “educate” people.
Are you kidding me? If you think so go on social media any time something shows something associated with the upper class all I see is gossip girl comments. We are still just as obsessed with the seemingly fabulous and fantastic life of the rich.
That’s why I watched it the first time. I never watched it when it was popular because we didn’t get a lot of American shows. I watched it on Netflix. I wanted to watch something as escapism and see how New York socialites are interpreted. I wanted to see stupidly rich kids make stupid decisions, I would and could not make. And I don’t like to say but deep down I was judging the characters of the show. I wasn’t never into following socialites so I chose to watch this instead to see what the fuss is about. If they reboot it I want to see something similar but different... if you get me? He says college won’t be the end point but if I don’t see the storyline buying your way into school I am going to be annoyed. But I do not want to watch a documentary on social politics, nepotism and classism. I honestly don’t believe it needs that treatment. The issues could have been sorted within the show as broey mentions with Chuck. Those ‘bad’ parts can be written well. And even though they were annoying, tbh that’s probably how the world works. Chuck gets away with it, he’s a rich white man. If you want to see classism then be prepared that you will indeed see rich people get away with crimes. And I swear I do not want to see that stupid rich/poor Romeo and Juliet romance in the new one. It’s so patronising.
I always say this and always will: Chuck is a horrible character. He is toxic, manipulative and never change. People needs to stop idealizing him. “NO MORE MAKING EXCUSES FOR RAPIST, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A HAMLET COMPLEX”
Emma K, I never thought he was attractive but still thoroughly enjoyed his character and liked the person he ended up turning into. It is just a fictional story though. People do not change that much. You don’t go from being a selfish, ruthless sociopath like Chuck was at the beginning of the series to a respectful, kind guy like Chuck was at the end of the show. But as a character in a fictional story, hell yeah, I loved his character. So long as you draw the line between fiction and reality there’s nothing wrong with enjoying his character.
@@DM-nw5lu No didn't turn into a AMAZING character.Just because he stopped raping,doesn't not make him a rapist.He continued to mentally abusing Blair.
@@apieceoflife2732 I didn't say he turned into an amazing person, but you do realize what is and isn't an amazing person is completely subjective. I said I liked the character (which again is a completely subjective evaluation. You can disagree. I don't care.). There's not a single person out there who is not cruel to others every now and then (be it on purpose or by accident) and as far as Blair goes, she's great at emotional abuse herself. In season 6, however, there wasn't much of that from either of them. So yes, they did change and no, I don't agree that Chuck kept "mentally abusing" Blair. And once again: They're fictional characters. They're not real. Ya'll need to chill. It doesn't matter.
The “irrationally layered clothing” killed me!!! I was born and raised in nyc so during the gossip girl era going to school felt like getting ready for battle
I definitely think GG should be seen as a relic. I mean I’ve seen the show about three times and have squeezed as much enjoyment from it as possible, but it is as problematic as it looks. I’ll probably check out the reboot, but mostly out of nostalgia. About the analysis you made on Dan being revealed as Gossip Girl, I genuinely think the creators didn’t care about whatever connotations it brought to the story. At least from my point of view the identity of GG was never really important, it was mostly a device the writers used to move the story forward.
Agreed....I honestly think that when they started the show they had no plans to reveal a gossip girl. Then the fans started pushing so they picked Eric and then that got leaked so they picked Dan and that was that.
@@roch_wilder14 yeah, I also think that's most likely what happened, sucks though, maybe they could have done something more elaborate, but then again it's the CW so 🤷🏻♀️
Dan was honestly so unfairly hated by the fans. Chuck was the fan-favorite, so the writers just decided to make Dan the bad guy in order to make Chuck seem better in comparison.
Exactly! I started thinking that the show stopped being about the revealing GG and more just about the characters. Most of the time I forgot the show revolved around this because I was so used to just seeing the lives of the characters instead
@@Matilda-u5n when screenwriters make nods to a character being lgbtq while never writing plotlines where they can grow within their conditions we call it queerbait
4:33 that's insane, like I understand his point, but getting into ivy league schools is a huge status marker for rich kids. Getting into college is getting more selective because everyone is expected to go and get a degree. Rich kids have rich parents who are usually legacies and who donate large amounts of money to get their kids into college. Lori Loughlin committed fraud to get her daughter into college, so the fact that they would drop that aspect of high school is ridiculous. Do all the characters have to go to college right after high school? No. But there should at least be some agonizing and acknowledgement of it.
It almost seems like they specifically don’t have college be at the forefront because they would have to actually comment on the inequality and privilege that rich parents can buy their kids way into school.
he also doesn't acknowledge the fact that the reason "a lot" of people from our generation have some kind of business or established themselves somewhere via social medias instead of just having hobbies that doesn't get them paid at all is because 1) the economy is BAD, 2) they're the ones who keep on glamorizing rich people's lifestyles
Frsh eyes here just binged first 4 seasons. I hated the way she was treated by everybody and in reality felt like the most grounded character also my easy fav. Also reckon Taylor has effortless charm
This video was spot on and FANTASTIC! They really said, “Dan is the ‘good guy’ (debatable), he became the bad guy and got everything he wanted in the end..... What a greeeeat message. Also I always LOVED Jenny’s character and even when I first watched the show, it really hurt to see what happens to her and how she truly is the most used character. I also really love that this video didn’t focus too much on Serena cause in all fairness, it’s the other characters who moved the plot along more than she did.
I won't lie. I am still a fan of the OG GG series. Season 1 will forever be the most stark and edgy of the series run. I can attest to the series falling victim to fluff and circumstance after that. But I'll always remember a time when Gossip Girl was prime teen drama television. We'll just have to see what the new rendition brings about.
Same. i recently rewatched the whole thing, and I can say that the first season is always gonna be my favorite in my opinion. I remember going back to watch the first two seasons a thousand times and then stop, because the rest isn't as good. I think I watched the last 4 seasons only three times, while I watched the first two a solid ten times. GG is definitively a guilty pleasure for me and not gonna lie, I am planning on watching the reboot just to see.
I feel like that was kinda the point? Her and Dan were the “normal” ones, the ones closest to the viewers personal experience. We all watched the show to watch hot spoiled brats act like hot spoiled brats. I don’t think the show tries to paint them as likable, they’re just pretty and mean and it’s fascinating to people outside that “world” 🤷🏾♀️
@@jasminewilliams8944 well that was the point in season 1, by season 2 they were transitioning into making the less rich brooklyn kids insufferable and making the rich kids, specifically the rapist, the heroes
@Sophia Fayrweather 1) i feel like jenny helping william and trying to break up serena and nate was out of character and clearly to make the viewers dislike jenny because the actor was ready to quit so that we wont miss her 2) jenny didnt know about serena's drugging, when she found out she immediately called out julliet and vanessa then she went and told her dad and bair 3) she didnt play the victim to chuck, she was caught by dan and of course everyone had to act as if she didnt willingly have sex with him and like shes a pure innocent sunflower that has to be protected
One thing I’m worried about when it comes to this reboot is the fact that diverse casting doesn’t always equal adequate representation. And also fans tend to latch onto white characters regardless of how they’re portrayed on the show. So if they make the characters of color elitists, and the lone white character the moral compass, it’s going to make the characters of color look like villains and fan hatred justified. If the white characters are elitist and the characters of color are moral compasses, then the fandom might give them the Jenny Humphrey treatment. The only way this show will work is if they’re self aware enough to nip these things in the Bud at the very start. Hopefully time has given the creators a new perspective. I’ve seen that the ~new Blair~ might be a Black girl, and while I’m excited to see a black female lead, I worry about how she’ll be handled.
Because they don't do it for representation. They do it for tokenism. "Here's the x identity, this is you". I have watched SO many shows that have that one gay character in and they are COMPLETELY troped and stereotypical. Like, every gay is Kurt from Glee. Super into musicals and FASHION and just "one of the girls" that when you actually start meeting gays IRL, they're not like that. They're just like "everyone else". Yes, there are flamboyant ones, but shows like to act like this is the ONLY version of a gay that exists. Someone who will finger snap and sass you out.
@@frogradar Nail on the head. Like the day people stop TRYING to write related characters and try to right HUMANS will be the day marginalized people actually see equality.
THANK YOU. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾This can become The Heathers reboot real quick because in order to get away with what these teens did in this show you have to be the European standard of beauty and opulence, which is a White person and is digestible to white people. That already makes someone aspirational. It's why Cher, Regina George, many Glee characters, etc have always gotten away with toxicity. I always say inserting [diverse character] into a White-made story, especially because there's always a difference between the levels of privilege between a Black rich character and White rich character, is murky territory. Personally, this is not how I want to see Black lead characters going forward, stuck in reboots. I want the same juicy interesting stories but with an original and authentically Black approach. This is giving me Blackface vibes where they just stick a Black character where the original story was written honestly for a white person. It will never really be authentic. Most Black people will never be elitist over White people in our society because the "wealth" that Black people have accumulated in our system is through a Europeanized system. It makes no sense to have a Black person with a Blair attitude, and if so, she will have a quick wake up call because in society, in the real world, that's not how society looks. Black people are not at the top of the pyramid.
Jenny was my favorite character outside of her romance plot lines. Blair was also one of my favorite characters but I could never get over how Chuck being at least an attempted rapist that literally everyone knew you should try to avoid was just kinda brushed past. I always loved the relationship between Blair and Serena. I think I shipped them when I watched it as a teen but wouldn't let myself consider that because I wasn't ready to accept that I was gay.
the chuck being a rapist plotline is so sticky bcs its v clear that the writers (who have even said themselves) that they originally wanted an irredeemable but changed their mind after filming the pilot so its best to not take chucks actions(+implied actions) as cannon...if that makes sense
@Boop Beep like i said im only saying what the writers said about it, they themselves said they made a mistake and that's not the route they wanted to take. Thats why there's scenes where they try and 'redeem' it like when he wakes up in pairs or when he apologises to jenny because they knew they cant brush it under the rug
Jenny was my fav character and I didn't understand why her mistakes were considered unforgivable transgressions while Chuck's actual crimes were brushed aside. I also thought that Dan and Blair from the beginning were the better couple because they challenged each other well. Dan could temper Blair's disdain and snobbery while Blair could challenge whether or not Dan was much more different than her. Edit: in summary i feel like to a lot of audiences being inconvenient is a far greater offence than being cruel. edit: why are ppl so upset in the replies damn its not that serious lol. "it's just a show BUT HOW DARE YOU CRITICISE MY FAVE!"
Yes, they also had similar personalities they were both really witty and cynical at times. I agree Dan could've challenged the snobby, conceited side of Blair.
Jenny is arguably the most compelling character of the show, not to also mention, the most relatable. While most of the show's watchers would disagree, the vast majority of them wouldn't be Blair's, they would be Jenny's. And truthfully, I would rather be a flawed working-class fashion prodigy than a Marie Antoinette wannabe in the 21st century.
Lmao I’d rather be Serena people hate the Serena’s of the world because they aren’t rhem let that sink in and let’s be real jenny would or got a man quicker than Blair gossip girl has a thing for blondes
Honestly most of these issues with Gossip Girl ended up happening in Elite too. At first it started out as some sort of commentary on the upper class when the poorest students started to attend, but then by the most recent season it just became a hard on for rich people aesthetics.
definitely, it was completely gone by season 2 and it became all about the murders and drama and secrecy. i still liked it, but i remember the class theme was the main thing that was pushed before it debuted, and it sucked for it to be so reduced and irrelevant. even cayetana fell flat for me despite an interesting concept, just seemed like when it was there the working class element was completely separate when imo it should be tied together
I mean, it’s intention wasn’t to show commentary on the upper class and lower class, it was meant to be a teen show about murder and mystery, and it did exactly that. Each season had a different subplot but it’s core intention stayed the same.
@@DoodleDoo2 It definitely did have intentions to comment on class differences, the first season heavily revolves around the fact that Samu, Nadia and Christian are of a different class and are discriminated against for that reason. I mean Cayetana, Rebe, their storylines also heavily revolve around their difference in wealth and class from the others.
Very preliminary thesis time!: The reason why so many (practically every) piece of media aimed at teens so quickly drops in quality, even when starting from a good footing, is because no one underestimates teenagers like the media (be it producers, execs, writers, publishers, etc.). In contrast, media aimed at children or pre-teens has been on a sustained upward trajectory in quality since the 90s because the target audience has not been underestimated (by the creative heads at least) and, I'd argue, in part because they need to comply with an educational role which, if cleverly approached, can be a great starting point to interrogate the content you're making. I don't want to say that only crap content is produced for teens, but it feels like the content aimed at them hasn't matured in the way content for children has.
This is a really good point! I'm in the demographic and the way teen shows depict teenagers and issues we care about is often tacky, shallow and performative. I watch more cartoons (typically aimed at kids) because I feel the creators get more creative and tackle their themes honestly, not out of lip service to what they think kids want. And I see creators in animation push for better stories all the time, and actually interact with their audience so I dunno why YA writers can't do the same 🤦
Well I must disagree. I saw what kids around me watch. Like, what in this world is that? I wasn't even a kid that long ago. A 4-5 year old kid acting in a show where it doesn't have any lines and communicates solely by sounds? And the only words spoken are not only said by the adults, but also don't even form a sentence? Also, should I remind you of Thundercats Roar? Or the newest Scooby Doo seasons? Older animations treated kids like adults. Modern ones treat them like babies. For example, Studio Ghibli movies. They aren't afraid to show wounds and war to kids because kids can face those things in life. Instead they show the characters overcoming those problems. That's what children's shows should do.
@@ruthfolorunso8715 With general audiences cartoons (there's no point in even calling them children's cartoons anymore!) the average is so high that the great ones are exceptional pieces of art. It's so sad, considering that it doesn't seem that the problem is interference by suits, considering the crap they put out, they might actually have too much creative freedom. And the other thing, the series that actually respect teens usually are either family oriented (Gilmore Girls) or... British (Sex Education)
This is why I’m a big fan of Degrassi: The Next Generation and Degrassi: Next Class. I always felt that the Degrassi writers were really good at keeping the show grounded in what it really feels like to be a teenager and accurately represents the things teenagers go through. Degrassi never underestimates it’s audience and the seasons change and reflect the current social climate. Degrassi: Next Class is evidence of that. Degrassi has always felt ahead of its time for me and I’m sad that so few people my age have seen it.
That's a great point! That brings to mind the movie Inside Out. When I watched it as a 23-year-old, I saw it as a very accurate depiction of what depression feels like, portrayed in a way that would make sense to people like my family who don't understand it. Teen shows like 13 Reasons Why, on the other hand, just come off as melodramatic and insincere in their portrayal of depression.
I've always wondered why Chuck forcing himself on Jenny and Serena jus get overlooked, a season later fans were rooting for "Chair" and Jack tried to rape Lily and Blair basically but in the last season he's one of the gang and helped Blair and Chuck get married
@@Love25648 What?? Chuck gets accused of sexual assault again in season 3, trades Blair for a hotel in the same season, and assaults her in season 4. And in early season 1 (not the pilot) Blair says something along the lines of "Chuck brags about his conquests, not his victims" implying his attempted rapes of Serena and Jenny had been successful on other girls. He was always that character beyond the pilot, Chairs just didn't want to see it.
Like wtf, Jenny's change of style was the best thing on the whole VANILLA style media. Finally someone grungy not showcased as the sad (emo) outcast kid in school. More badass grungy girls in series please!
Honestly, I feel too "old" for the new gossip girl. I'll let the teens have it just like I skipped on Euphoria, because I had Skins already ten years prior. Also, for some reason I really don't care for a show about privileged rich people. I feel like 2020 has confronted us too much with reality, to look away again. At least for me. I don't want escapism, I want solutions. Anyway, maybe young people won't mind dreaming a little bit longer. I hope the new series is quality and not toxic. Ahh I forgot to mention, it was so great seeing you and your friend in the video, pls do this more often.
Okay, but as a HUGE Skins fan, I have to say, Euphoria is a totally different vibe. Skins was a story of a group of friends, Euphoria is several separate stories of youth that although they all know one another, it's not really THAT major that they are "friends". Its a different vibe. I definitely like Skins more for various reasons, including I've loved it for YEARS now, but Euphoria is interesting and definitely incorporates some fresh themes.
I’ve watched skins at a young age and enjoyed the light aspects to the show.Watching euphoria was too much for me maybe because I’m in different mindset. I would consider euphoria as more serious the show really triggered me. That’s why I prefer skins to some aspect because it still had humor.
Hey girls, I still haven't seen a full Euphoria episode, but I've seen some scenes at this point and I noticed that it's incredibly direct to the point and kinda disturbing/dark. I don't think I could have handled Euphoria back in 2007/8/9. But back then it was a simpler time. I literally feel that I can't have an opinion on the show, without watching it first. I guess I compared it to Skins because so many people said "it's the skins of this generation"? Anyway, I actually came across a dark teen show recently called "Baby" on Netflix, it's an Italian show and I rather enjoyed it. So maybe I'll get around to watch Euphoria too at some point. But I still haven't changed my mind about the gossip girl reboot. I fell like I'm not the target audience anymore, but I'll definitely watch the style analysis videos when the time comes!
I've never watched SKINS but from how you talk about it i think i might. Either way i think you should give Euphoria a chance; yes it may be dark but it brings to light issues like addiction, homophobia, date rape, underage online prostitution, mental illness among other many issues that heavily affect our societies in this time.
yeah Im too old for the new gossip girl too... I second the Euphoria recommendation, if only just for Zendaya's performance breaking my heart repeatedly. Baby was really entertaining, as were the first seasons of Elite, but Euphoria was on another level of disturbing/I dont want to have kids
Me to every CHAIR shipper: How come everyone forgot about Chuck almost raping Jenny and Serena, emotionally abusing Blair and also almost attacking her in his jealous drunk fit?? WTF.
lmao I can't believe I overlooked all of these attempted rape scenes and the casual "romantic violence" with Chuck.... I don't even remember noticing that these were terrible scenes. But now I look at them and cringe.
ikr chuck tries to sexually assault two girls in the pilot yet it’s brushed over and chuck manages to apologise a WHOLE ass season later to jenny like that makes up for it
I only just realised at like episode 4 that lady whistle down is just gossip girl 😂 the whole show is predicated on the same idea and ppl are eating that up. The idea that we’ve ‘grown out’ of this narrative is plainly not true. As socially conscious as we become ppl still like this stuff which is fine I guess but perhaps signals that we’re not as ‘progressive’ as we like to think
@@mia3825 we also have to look at it through the eyes of the ppl in that era she probably had no idea the gravity of the thing she did cus she didn’t even know what sex was weeks prior
i recently rewatched all of gossip girl and aside from their appearance in season 4, ivanka trump specially gets name dropped a lot lol to the point where it seemed downright obsessive!
I totally agree with the chuck analysis. I recently sat down to watch GG again and my husband and I were shocked at all of the sexual assaults involved in just the first few episodes. It’s disgusting and the lack of punishment for his actions is wrong. Maybe the writers did this to show how affluence, white privilege, and lots of money gets you out of trouble but it was still hard to watch.
I am honestly cautiously optimistic and intrigued by the reboot, wether it is a trashy escapist fantasy like the original or a critique and social commentary on what it was. I just think there is so much unrealized potential around the concept gossip girl, I lowkey want them to pull it off
Same here! I have my problems for the original with the original as I’m sure we all do, but for what it’s worth you’re so right the potential they have to deliver some pretty subtle or heavy handed commentary on the condition in which we live in is too large to ignore.
The only thing that was missing from this (which I don’t know WHY I had hoped for) was the extra mention of subliminal racism. Vanessa was not a character meant to be liked from the minute she was introduced, and all her following actions only fueled more hatred. She was the only “black” main/supporting character on the show AND SHE WAS EXTRA LIGHT SKINNED. ...but I suppose I’m not surprised that this wasn’t mentioned. We know what only matters.
Great taking point. The author of the original novel series was disappointed by the tv show depiction of Vanessa when in the novels she’s the best and most complex character
@@hassanalkhalaf1115 Vanessa in the novel never fell in the upper class mentality as she does in the TV show, she doesn’t have a hypocritical holler than thou attitude towards the upper east side kids, she’s more self aware and uses her position at the upper east side private school to address bigger issues and enhance her dreams/talent as a actress/filmmaker. She’s more complex and likable
I think the writing on Jenny is attributed as well to Taylor Momsen herself wanting to leave the show. You can kinda tell that Taylor Momsen was over the whole acting thing and her character too. But rather than making her exit a nice sendoff, instead, she’s made as a tool for the characters to have a villain and for the main cast to look better.
I always felt like blair had sooo much potential especially being with dan and their whole dynamic in general - but they kind of destroyed her arc in season 6
Blair will never end up with dan like never dan was not poor but not rich enough blair is elitist person she will never end up with a guy who is not more rich than her.
I've never hated jenny, the more the writers tried to make her look bad the more i loved her. They really missed the chance to make her the designer for Blair's brand in season 6 though that would have been so interesting
You missed a detail, but it's fine. I didn't notice it until I searched gossip girl facts. In the Final episode, Jenny was holding a waldorf bag which implies she's a fashion designer working with blair.
You're so right about Blair being a loveable classist! I loved Blair in the first few seasons because I feel like the writers were interested in her flaws and invested in her arc. Like that Season 1 Leighton Meester performance is great because it was so grounded and relatable even though the world is fantastical and satirical. So many of today's TV mean girls try to accomplish what that season 1 arc accomplished. But then it got so lazy. And I always wondered why the fandom were so hard on Jenny!
i recently got mad all over again about how problematic this show was especially around Chuck and Chair. I read a interview of the creators talking about scene where Chuck forces himself on Blair and nearly punches her and they basically excuse his abuse behavior by selling a "their relationship is special" narrative. I remember waiting every Monday night religiously for new episodes of this show and how much it probably influenced how I saw romance in my young adulthood. I loved this in depth analysis!! You hit all the right points! Everyone who watches Gossip Girl needs to see it. I totally agree the original creators do not have the capacity to do a truly nuanced and woke reboot and they are using this to make more money. I don't think people should brush this show off as a silly teen drama cause it influenced society so much and young women especially.
I really loved your analysis. That said, I think the one thing we're missing here is the producing network. There's a reason why this reboot is being produced by HBO and not, say, Netflix or Freeform. I think each network has a certain... aesthetic that comes with its own expectations and qualities (for better and worse), so it would follow (in my mind, at least) that the new GG would be more in the vein of Euphoria than the SBTB reboot. Just my two cents.
that's actually very insightful, would you elaborate further? (im an italian living in the us so im not very familiar with "traditional" networking products, as in I have seen GG on Netflix for instance) my assumption would be that HBO is higher quality and actually less mainstream that Netflix, which would be more focused in quantity. but that's just my assumption
@@rrentboy So, I want to be very clear that I'm not expert, nor am I particularly articulate, nor have I watched a ton of shows on any given network. That said, I'll try and explain this to the best of my abilities lol GG was originally aired on the CW, which is not a subscription service, so it was subject to some rules and regulations that subscription services (like Netflix and HBO) aren't. Meaning, you won't see the language, nudity, etc. on the CW like you would on, say, HBO. The best way that I've been able to differentiate, like, Netflix and HBO's teen shows is that Netflix makes shows *for* teens and HBO makes shows *about* teens. I think quality is fairly subjective, so I won't comment on that, but you're looking at a Euphoria vs. Outer Banks. I'm not saying that teenagers can't or don't enjoy Eurphoria, but I don't necessarily believe that they were the target demographic. I fully expect that GG 2.0 will be similar.
@@rrentboy GG was produced and aired on CW. Netflix is just the subscription service you can view it on, although they do produce original shows now. HBO is always known for showing more graphic scenes like sex scenes bordering on soft core porn and nudity. CW has always been more PG 13. So this new gossip girl reboot might be edgier and get away with showing more graphic scenes or narratives than the original. Hope that makes sense! :)
Dan and Jenny were the best characters but no one is ready for that conversation. I always have and will despise chuck. I liked Blair when she was with Dan but hated her in the final season. it was obvious they made Dan act they way he did in season 6 and made him GG to make Chuck look like the better option for Blair which even if I somehow believed that Dan was GG which I don’t especially since the writers even admitted that they made Dan GG at the last minute which just goes to show how bad they were at their job they knew that Dan was the better man for Blair so they had to basically ruin his character to make chuck look good. Dan treated her like she always wanted like her own person with him she matured and evolved and as soon as she got back with chuck she reverted into that petty self centered girl worse than she was in season one I really couldn’t stand her in the final season. Chuck cheated on her in season two when Jack comes in and tricks Blair into making a party with the bass industry investors he takes chuck to party and hook up with girls to which chuck happily does even though he knew damm well he was with Blair. He was always looking for excuses to ruin their relationship when they were together and then when she was happy with someone else he would ruin it. Dan loved Blair since season four but yet he was still their for her as a friend in her relationship problems unlike chuck who would get possessive over her with other guys. Yes Dan made a mistake sleeping with Serena but let’s not forget Serena’s hand in making that happen she went to him when he was heartbroken over Blair not meeting him and seduced him.Chuck would always go sleep with other women the minute things went wrong with Blair so he was far from her ideal match. Although maybe they deserved each other given how horrible they were.
@@reginadanielle3755 yes their relationship was epic perhaps to perfect for the imperfect writers of this show. I will say that i have faith on the writers improving on the sequel series the expectation bar is so low there’s no where to go but up.
I agree with Jenny but Dan really is the worst. Dan is the worst character on the show and he’s done every shitty move their is. Anyways yeah fuck Dan. Love Jenny.
Agree with everything you said. I thought I was the only one who felt that way. My friends absolutely hate Jenny and Dan but according to me, they are the best characters
I am so relieved to finally see critique of chuck's character. Ever since his rape attempts I have despised him. Even as I binge watched all the seasons, I couldn't stand him or forgive him. Blair is my favorite character (which I'm now questioning) and I hated their relationship. I didn't understand how my friends drooled over him
i wish one tree hill got more credit for creating such well written and well rounded characters in a teen drama (weirdly rare) even the villains had so many layers to them - no character was black or white they were all so complex. characters were held accountable
The fact that she was the hardest working person on the show and actually got karma for events that other people cause and people genuinely hate her like what.
@@ajf1219 Even when not likeing Jenny I still wanted to throw up in my mouth after the writers threw her back in bed with Chuck for cheap drama with Blair. Honestly Jenny assasult at Chuck's hands still bugs me on the show. I get they couldn't do anything within the show universe to Chuck but the amount of times Jenny had to put up with him speaks volumes about the whole groups ability to brush it off. I think I started to see though the show in much later seasons with its non ritch people bias. Lilly had such a stick up her back side because she was jealous Charlie got more love from Cece then she did and yeah I started to take Charlie's side a lot. I still like Dan though as the video said if you ignore the Gossip girl crap, he's a flawed person who tries to do the right thing and often gives the upper east side a does of reality. Its the final season that wrecks his character and I get why a lot of people cann't get behind him after that but to me Dan is always going to be the guy who had the means to distroy Chuck Bass and his whole family and instead showed his short story to Bart Bass to help him understand his son better. To me that's the core of who Dan is the person who may do a lot of petty crap but cares about people too much to exploit them. And I can easily seperate previous season Dan from the creepy nice guy stalker they turned him into the final.
@@yukijames1321 serena has done worse than that. and blair and chuck were more cruel to jenny than jenny was to anyone. i think if you watch the show you see why jenny did that. plus she regretted and helped save serena in the end
Rewatching Gossip Girl with the ulterior knowledge that Dan is GG kinda ruined the show for me. Instances that showed how impossible it is for him to be her are GLARING and they made me mad all over again every time lmao
look at the comments of chuck proposing to blair after he just slept with jenny... everyone is insulting her and saying she came inbetween them!!! its DISGUSTING
It’s so disgusting that they want to give chuck a blind eye because he’s “chuck bass” and have the audacity to say it’s not chuck’s fault. Like wtf is this fandom stupid?!
you made me realize that I liked Blair only because of her behavior in the first season, where we would see her issues and weaknesses; then they turned her in more of a one-dimensional character ... amazing video !! one of my favorite youtube essays :)
best analysis of GG i've seen so far! a great part of the girls from my middle school (in Germany!) romanticized the show and especially "chair". i'm not sure about the part that today's (youth) culture isn't so much about glorifying and flaunting wealth anymore though, i think, these phantasies are still very alive and thriving (look at the Kardashians or Ariana Grande's seven rings or basicially half of instagram's influencers)
I agree. I don’t think it’s right to suggest that gen z is this totally revolutionary generation who rejects all the opulence of past generations. It’s just manifested in different ways now but the trend is till the same
I just hate how much Jenny and Ivy’s characters were hated on. The writers ruined Jenny’s arc completely and why was Jenny blamed and abolished from New York for sleeping with Chuck when clearly it takes two to tango? And Ivy and Rufus? Really??? That move didn’t ruin one but MULTIPLE characters- Rufus, The Van der Woodsen family (for their treatment of an imposter girl who was just looking out for an old lady and then said lady left her fortune behind to the imposter girl even though she knew the truth about the imposter.) Apart from this, after ALL Lily and Rufus had been through, it came down to an annulment for Bart (and the money) and Ivy being blamed 🤦🏻♀️ Smh I have so many complaints from the season where Jenny was sent off, like you literally just cut off a MAJOR character of the show to humanise the others (I love Blair still, but Jenny’s treatment and character arc hurt different)
Speaking of early 2000s shows about rich people, though handled in a very different way, I’d love to see you do a video on Gilmore Girls. I have...complex feelings on the show and what it has to say about class, and I haven’t really seen anyone truly go into depth about it.
omg yess please do one on gilmore girls, and also please find out why people love Emily so much but then continue to bash Logan Hunzberger for the very same reason. Like they are both entitled, smart, strong and overly confident characters and I get why people wouldn't like them, but then again, why does Emily get so much praise in the later season and Logan doesn't?
@@helenahelena1926 the thing is, rory and lorelai are also entitled, and VERY judgemental. To be completely honest the show itself has some very troubling messages, Arcs like lane's and Luke are kinda problematic
@@margarethponciano4960 completely agree! I feel like especially Lorelai got a pass for literally everything, no matter how judgemental she was and how ego-driven her actions were. 100 % get what you mean with Lane, but never thought about Lukes story arc in a problematic way, could you explain?
I always interpreted gossip girl as a commentary on how things really were. As a teen I never saw it as glamourizing anything. I honestly thought it was meant to show how the rich and poor interacted each other. I never looked it and and was like "OMG YAS QUEEN!" LOL
My best friend and I used to watch GG in high school. My best friend became way too obsessed and ended up cheating with my boyfriend at the time. When she told me and I was upset, she was like, "It's like Gossip Girl!! Blair and Serena do this all the time and they are amazing friends. I don't see what the big deal is!" Oof. Friendly reminder that our media has the ability to change our perceptions and morality, so consume wisely!
Jenny has ALWAYS been my favorite character. I’ve always seen her as a victim of a privileged lifestyle that she isn’t destined to have. In a way it’s a blessing, the life of the privileged is pretentious, materialist, and classist. Jenny has so much more to offer and being a part of that world prevents her from a life she truly deserves.
@@alice-qj1bl not rich enough to get out of jail or any situation Which other people get out easily. Also, even if she's well off Blair and others are still classist towards her.
@@raquellawlitet2992 which, again, does not make her working class. just a rich person who works hard (as crazy as it might sound some of them do exist)
@@rrentboy she still works. Her father works. She's not like Serena with old money/socialite or like Blair with old money/famous mother. She literally steals clothes because she doesn't have money to buy gowns.
@@raquellawlitet2992 she steals gowns to go to galas, not food to eat. i love her as well, just not working class at all lol does not mean she's not an hard worker
i agree with all points made in this video and i think you really hit the nail on the head. i personally won't be tuning in to a reboot. however, i think with so many people facing economic insecurity in 2020 (similar to the 2008 recession), the desire for escapism into a wealthy fantasy might be stronger now than ever before. so, i feel like public reception could go either way. today's teens seem more tuned into the severity of wealth inequality than I was in the mid-2000s. but at the same time, the desire to escape from the current state of things might provide the reboot with a lot of viewers.
In answering the video title in some ways yes and in other ways no. It’s a timeless problematic piece that perfectly exemplifies the time it came out in.
THANK YOU , i always loved Jenny and even more right now in my 20s (i watched GG as a teen) and i always felt she was hated for no good reason. Everytime the wealthier girls like Serena or Blair did something bad they were forgiven and literally untouched but Jenny was always framed, hated and paying for the consecuences! Which makes no sense to me, she was the only one with a real talent and goal for herself rather than just conforming with being someones wife or girlfriend plus idc about what people say i LOVE her more gothic/grunch style later on , it was soooo cool but classy at the same time , she look great!
as someone who loves gossip girl and my favourite character is blair its important to remember that our responsibility as a consumer of media is to be able to criticize what we're watching
@@NayFlacko Tbh why didn’t they just make gossip girl Kristen Bell the voice of gossip girl. They could of said like she was a person who was jealous of there lifestyle and jealous of how much drama there is. Because I think that would of been more easier and realistic to see then Dan.
To be honest I DO have a good feeling about this reboot, if only because it's going to be produced by HBO. Would it be a CW reboot, I would be a LOT less optimistic, but after Euphoria, I'm trusting HBO with teen shows.
idk... unpopular option but... BLAIR WAS HORRIBLE. I just dont understand how she became so many peoples favorite character and how she was so idolized when she was so like... horrible and also I cant even talk about Chuck and I just like :/ Like Serena wasnt much better but at least she tried to do good things and had empathy for those others than herself.
I loved Jenny Humphrey. She’s my working class queen and to make myself feel better about the way she was treated in the later seasons I try to find good fanfics of her.
She was definitely not working class though- she wasn’t as wealthy as the others but they did that on purpose to emphasise how wealthy they actually were. They were relatively middle class.
The problem with the show is that they started it off remaining generally faithful to the story which was why the first couple seasons were great then they saw how successful it was not just as a show but a pop culture phenomenon and started basing the characters off of the public’s perception of the actors
I binge watched the whole show in like 15 days last month and the weirdest thing for me was how they just dropped Blair's eating disorder and bulimia after s1 and it's only mentioned again in the fifth season when she's pregnant
Wowwww that last line “it can be difficult to separate the place we’re escaping to from the reason we’re running in the first place”!! So true wow, thank you for this video x
Speaking on the reboot culture thing, I think people need to understand too that hollywood is not interested in necessarily taking risks with original stories that feature women at the front lines or poeple of color unless it is say a reboot of a financially successful film that had an all male cast. This is why I roll my eyes at movie bros complaining about their movies being "ruined" by feminism because Ghostbusters (2016) exists.
Right take for example Jordan peele who searched for 10 years to find a Hollywood film studio to produce and release get out, he eventually created his own production company and signed a distribution deal with universal pictures to release get out as well as Us. He’s using his produce company to also produce and release the candyman reboot and the lovecraft country series on HBO. No one wants a woman or POC writing original amazing stories with women/POC and their struggles with sexism and racism at the center
omg that's such BULLSHIT. Charmed, Buffy, Xena and Charlies angels, as well as many other shows of that time that had female leads TOPPED the charts. ALL people loved them. You know why? they didn't constantly shit on the male leads in the show. You can't generate the audiences when you have the Main character come out with shit like "WHY? BECAUSE I'M A WOMAN?" "Stop Mansplianing" When you alienate literally 50% of a target audience with bullshit buzzwords and performative femnism, you will produce shit ratings for your shit show. Charmed was a show about 3 powerful women. Desp Housewives was about 5 lead women. These shows did REALLY WELL. You know what they didn't do... performative feminism or tokenism like shows do when they reboot the show.
Gossip girl was realistic to me. After all, who's Chuck Bass other than a school bully who was a creep to you and your shy best friend. Who's Blair other than that highly competitive co- Ed/ co-worker/neighbor who can make your life living hell. And who's Jenny other than that go getter who makes you sick and question your own efforts. People rooted for these characters because they seem real. Not because they were not politically aware or ideal or cool. Yeah! All these types of people exist and they exist without any consequences of what they did to others and gossip girl just confirms that. And I agree, these characters are not meant to be worshipped and idolized. Love your work.
So many shows ruined because fans guessed the ending, and the writers wanted to pretend they're more clever than they are. Looking at you too, Pretty Little Liars.
Please, that is a bullshit excuse that producers and writers use to not actually do an original ending, and pay lip service for stupid idiots fans, as a hobby writer, with an audience myself, I pretty honest about the work that I do, what you read is what you see, I not like George RR Martin that try to manipulate his audience for ratings.
This video is so insightful and well researched. I am glad that I am not the only one who loves Dan and Jenny. The Humphrey siblings were flawed but interesting characters and there is absolutely no doubt that they were used as scapegoats to make the privileged characters more likeable
I never understood the hate for Dan. He had some great lines. Good insight. Several of the characters (like Dan) were sarcastic, everyone on the show was a hypocrite. Everyone else was forgiven though, but not Dan. He was a teenager/early twenties so of course he has to learn... just like the others but for some reason people think it's unforgivable for Dan. Everyone had motives for things in the series but Dan did still try to help those in his life so it made no sense that he was villainized. I mean, look at what the others did... Dan wrote a (fictional) book loosely based on those around him - which Vanessa published (he didn't) and they hated him for it. Didn't like how he portrayed them in the (unedited) book. So it was really weird that people hated him for that. It was all backwards. Season 6 was messed up in many ways, going off character for a couple people. Then making Dan GG was just dumb, undoing all his character growth. It was supposed to be Eric and I thought that would have been a good move.
I’m of the strong opinion that season 1 of gossip girl was more of a parody/critique of the glamorisation of the elite. After that, things kinda get worse in my opinion. It’s too much focused on relationships and petty drama and not on the real things going on. Except for maybe Nate’s storey line with homelessness in season 2, nothing stood out to me after season 1.
One thing that always bothered me about the fandom is that they would defend Chuck Bass to the ends of the earth and make senseless excuses while antagonising Jane for less worse things
Just started watching the show and (whew) am I glad I did not watch it when I was a kid. I'm surprised you didn't mentioned more about Vanessa, though, who is one of my favourites but is universally hated by the fandom. Next to Dan and Jenny, she got the shortest end of the stick and it does not reflect well considering she is one of the only BIPOC in the show (and there's not even much to begin with). The way the writers send her off is such a disservice to her character; they made her insecure, jealous, and possessive over Dan and all the characters basically side-eye and mock her whenever she appears on screen (even her childhood friend Dan!). It doesn't help that her last actions before leaving the show is to plot the group's demise with Juliet and Jenny and to publish Dan's book without his consent... It's like the writers are purposefully trying to enable the fandom's hatred for her, huh.
". It doesn't help that her last actions before leaving the show is to plot the group's demise with Juliet and Jenny" She was going to straight up murder the other characters? Definitely how the show should have ended.
after trying to find a good/fun video where someone talks about some history or legacy of this show, I finally found yours. (thank god). no one reflects on tv/film like you
ahhh thanks for all the love everyone!
I love you :)❤️
I stan The Californians!
Actually not every on Saved By the Bell were rich. Kelly was not rich. Lisa the only black kid on the show was actually the richest. Which is why a lot of Saved By the Bell fans did not like the reboot. Not everyone at Bayside was wealthy.
I love this video, and I OBVIOUSLY LOVED GOSSIP GIRL but... I seriously doubt that they’ll ever be able to recreate it because as you excellently showed us, IT WAS PERFECT FOR THAT TIME. We need to get out of this “going back in time” reboot crazed phase. Art only takes off when it is relevant to the present moment and time that we are in. Creativity is seriously lacking nowadays🙄
The only thing that was missing from this (which I don’t know WHY I had hoped for) was the extra mention of subliminal racism. Vanessa was not a character meant to be liked from the minute she was introduced, and all her following actions only fueled more hatred. She was the only “black” main/supporting character on the show AND SHE WAS EXTRA LIGHT SKINNED. ...but I suppose I’m not surprised that this wasn’t mentioned. We know what only matters.
The only series where fans excuse sexual assault but draws the line at posting anonymous tips on a gossip site.
Exactly like really wtf
@@melissaperez5370 thats simpley becuse many consider the sexual assult not to be cannon. Nothing with chuck makes sence if the first episoder really are Canon. Ex he does not have a Mothers, yeeeeet in the pilot (i think mabye a couple ep later) he says something about his mother.
The ones that made this series says that they change their mind completly about him.
@@Matilda-u5n And that honestly emphasizes what even the cast have said multiple times. The show felt like a sketch. The writers would always change things last minute that’s the definition of bad writing.
@@melissaperez5370 its a flaw but i would not say that its ruin the hole show....of that is the biggest problem in the show then it really shows how good the show really was.
@@Matilda-u5n we are entitled to our opinions I enjoy the show flaws and all. However given that the show depends on the scripts and writing I would say it’s a big problem. I mean just look at the horrible final season. Let’s see if the writing improves in the sequel series
Had to pause halfway to say your summary of Blair as the "loveable classist" is definitely the blueprint for like an entire generation of mean girls following in her footsteps. sad!
And lowkey not one of the Blair copycats sticked
Same with Fallon from the Dynasty reboot
@Joe Bennett congrats ding dong..... you’re so close to getting it. that’s the whole point. they made a classist loveable.
yes this is a really good point but to be fair i don’t think Blair was the first. For example i think of Cordelia from Buffy the vampire slayer :)
@@tamsinsylvie4331 was Cordelia as widely liked as Blair? she wasn’t really a protagonist per se, I was always rooting against her loll
boy howdy do i enjoy consuming well-crafted videos about media i don’t care anything about
Same.
My entire taste in video essays explained in one sentence lol
My entire taste in video essays explained in one sentence lol
Fr I thought I was gonna turn it off 2 minutes in but the direction it went surprised the hell out of me. Before I know it is fourty minutes later....
You put it into words. 🤣
"Escapism has become a weapon against criticism." You just perfectly summarized why that sentiment bothers me so much. Awesome video!
So glad they brought up Bridgerton. That whole show felt so off for this reason exactly
yes^^^ Bridgerton somehow feels so...contrived. made solely for the reason of casting a Black lead without any reflection whatsoever on how Hollywood can finally de-centralize whiteness. that by casting a BIPOC character ONLY to play Eurocentric roles...this essentially defeats the purpose of casting them in the first place.
@@anniebootboot Although I do think Bridgerton should get criticism, I think the point (of bridgerton) was more inclusivity. Rodger's and Hammerstein's Cinderella with Brandy did a similar thing with a diverse cast in a European inspired setting and it was criticized for the diversity being inconsistent (black mom, white dad, Filipino son).
Even if its escapism, having BIPOC in a fantasy or fiction not being oppresses or discriminated against should be allowed to be a more common thing. If white people want to watch a series where white people get oppressed they watch war movies. If they want to watch series of them not being oppressed, they got thousands to choose from. If BIPOC want to watch series of themselves not being oppressed they don't have as much choice. Media is all about moods and if a BIPOC wants to feel like a frilly 19th century princess, they should be allowed to.
But I do agree the BIPOC characters in Bidgerton just feel like they're playing Mr. Darcy and other European characters then briefly mention that they are no longer oppressed because X. While having a white girl tell the BIPOC guy what she wants him to do and him just following through because he loves her. Didn't sit well with me. You can have diversity and feminism, but not like that.
I need more escapism than that. Like Cannon Busters or something...
(sorry for the long comment, I'm not good at being brief...)
@@karakurie yeah for sure but like... It feels backwards to cast BIPOC in a frilly european period piece and call it “escapism” when the reality was so dreadful for anyone who wasn’t white. Like... Should we really be romanticizing and idolizing such a venomous era? Especially to the extent that we manage to completely erase the sinister reality of it? It feels inappropriate and disrespectful to me but idk.
If we’re gonna make more unnecessary content about western history I feel like we shouldn’t be sugar coating it with inclusivity and spoon feeding it to people. It’s abt time we either stop being so eurocentric or we stop glamorizing such a damaging culture and expose westernization for how horrendous it was and is
@@crunkcore I would agree with you, but Shondaland produced Bridgerton. Shonda Rhimes helped bring it into being. It's unfair that just because the historical period of reference was an ugly time doesn't mean BIPOC can't be included in that kind of story. I'm sure there are loads of GoT fans who are BIPOC who'd would have liked to see themselves in fantasy stories not as slaves etc, considering its a fantasy. There are plenty of BIPOC who enjoy dressing in vintage european fashion, wearing lolita, or cosplaying european characters. I don't think they are romanticizing it, they're definitely aware of the history, but some people, again, like frilly rocococo fashion and to imagine a fantastical version that includes them.
Again, media is all about moods. For me too. Sometimes I wanna imagine myself as a Japanese ninja, doesn't mean I think assassination is cool or that I would want to live in that place or time period.
I don't think BIPOC should be limited to writing stories about their ethnic backgrounds. (I don't think you meant that, I just want to say that.)
And sorry again for the long reply.
2 seasons of "YOU" make Dan being GOSSIP GIRL more believable. If anything his friends had it easy.
There are so many parallels between Joe and Dan
I rewatched GG after I have seen You and it felt really weird
I also loved how they put side characters named Milo and Rufus in You. Great reference.
“His friends had it easy” AHAHAH FR
It's fun to pretend that You is Dan's spin-off from GG
Unpopular opinion: Jenny is a victim that went from a naive child who wanted to be friends with the popular girls to being villainized for for just living her life and pursuing her goals. She didn’t do what the rich kids wanted her to do so she was a problem child.
yes
FINALLY THANK YOU
Blair and chuck destroyed the little girl
No girl Jenny was just as bad 😭 she had zero character development
@@melany3649 she had more character development than anyone. Just because it wasn’t what people wanted her to become doesn’t mean she didn’t develop.
The "judging an older movie by today's standards" comments always tickles me because people seem to think society didn't start caring about certain things until three years ago.
Yes! Like sexual harassment (or even attempted rape) wasn’t okay five or even ten years ago.
@@steppenfuchs5608 or even 100
Yeah. These things were always harmful, just because fewer people were aware of that/ talked about it back then diddnt make it any less so than if a show today did the same thing.
They were probably all born in like 2003+
Exactly, people have always cared about what are now considered sensitive topics, just suppressed by the voices of other people brushing it over.
Chuck was the sleaziest, deplorable character. He was boring, had no morale and so whiny. Jenny Humphrey should've come out looking like a hero and a survivor turned cold, instead, a young girl turned villain at random as they made it seem in the show.
Random all right. I always felt it was more a personal middle finger to Taylor more than anything else. Its no wonder Taylor hates talking about GG
I know, that was horrible. The young girl gets sexually harassed and bullied and then she is bannished from New York. Imagine if that happened in real life. And the guy that assaulted her becomes the hero.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
IN THE BOOKS CHUCK ENDED UP BEING THROWN INTO JAIL.
THANK FUCKING GOD. 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
EXACTLY
Chuck sexually assaulted two women in the first episode, was overall creepy throughout the series and treated Blair like crap most of the time. How does anyone like him???
Blair wasnt much better
Character development they said.
That’s not canon apparently but yet it’s brought up time and time again in the show
he's pretty :(
media grooms young girls into romanticising abuse
I will say in regards to Jenny/Taylor Momsen, those are problems to take up with the writers and producers, not actors. If Jenny started acting more like irl Taylor (which she 100% did) thats a writing issue, not an acting issue. I really wish more people read the books and especially the It Girl books, which surrounded Jenny Humphrey, and then they would know that it obviously wasn't just Taylor's decision, it was a writing choice
I personally liked that they changed Jenny. It brought a different aesthetic and point of view.
@@SarifaXionic same it clearly showed character development. I like it
I didn't even knew people hated on Taylor, Jenny yes, people are very vocal about that... But Taylor? She is a very talented and down to earth singer and her band The Pretty Reckless are amazing
@@SarifaXionic also it just really make sense for a young teenage girl to change aesthetics
Taylor Momsen admitted that she told wardrobe what she wanted to wear, even hair and makeup, so yes, production probably should have reined that in....
i think right now many of us are tired of seeing the rich life from rich perspectives that's why movies like parasite are so important because it show the real abuse of rich people towards the lower classes, if the reboot intends to be like the original but with poc as main characters I'm sorry but I think is gonna flop, we don't want to see rich people getting along with crimes we want to see a more realistic way of how nepotism and classism work
Personally I DO wanna see rich kids life? Like hello? 2020 was terrible, the world is a mess I don’t want to watch anything that’s actually took realistic and honestly boring. I wanna escape. That’s what I liked about gossip girl. It was like having an insight into their life and it was exciting and scandalous. Not everything needs to be a lesson or “educate” people.
Are you kidding me? If you think so go on social media any time something shows something associated with the upper class all I see is gossip girl comments. We are still just as obsessed with the seemingly fabulous and fantastic life of the rich.
That’s why I watched it the first time. I never watched it when it was popular because we didn’t get a lot of American shows. I watched it on Netflix. I wanted to watch something as escapism and see how New York socialites are interpreted. I wanted to see stupidly rich kids make stupid decisions, I would and could not make. And I don’t like to say but deep down I was judging the characters of the show. I wasn’t never into following socialites so I chose to watch this instead to see what the fuss is about. If they reboot it I want to see something similar but different... if you get me? He says college won’t be the end point but if I don’t see the storyline buying your way into school I am going to be annoyed. But I do not want to watch a documentary on social politics, nepotism and classism. I honestly don’t believe it needs that treatment. The issues could have been sorted within the show as broey mentions with Chuck. Those ‘bad’ parts can be written well. And even though they were annoying, tbh that’s probably how the world works. Chuck gets away with it, he’s a rich white man. If you want to see classism then be prepared that you will indeed see rich people get away with crimes.
And I swear I do not want to see that stupid rich/poor Romeo and Juliet romance in the new one. It’s so patronising.
Lmfao k
Just from your comments I can tell you're white and depressed
I always say this and always will: Chuck is a horrible character. He is toxic, manipulative and never change. People needs to stop idealizing him.
“NO MORE MAKING EXCUSES FOR RAPIST, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A HAMLET COMPLEX”
exactly. The only reason they like him is because he is attractive like what?
Emma K, I never thought he was attractive but still thoroughly enjoyed his character and liked the person he ended up turning into. It is just a fictional story though. People do not change that much. You don’t go from being a selfish, ruthless sociopath like Chuck was at the beginning of the series to a respectful, kind guy like Chuck was at the end of the show. But as a character in a fictional story, hell yeah, I loved his character. So long as you draw the line between fiction and reality there’s nothing wrong with enjoying his character.
HE DID CHANGE AND BECOME AN AMAZING PEROSN AND SO DID BLAIR!!! I love Chuck SO much!!!!
@@DM-nw5lu No didn't turn into a AMAZING character.Just because he stopped raping,doesn't not make him a rapist.He continued to mentally abusing Blair.
@@apieceoflife2732 I didn't say he turned into an amazing person, but you do realize what is and isn't an amazing person is completely subjective. I said I liked the character (which again is a completely subjective evaluation. You can disagree. I don't care.). There's not a single person out there who is not cruel to others every now and then (be it on purpose or by accident) and as far as Blair goes, she's great at emotional abuse herself. In season 6, however, there wasn't much of that from either of them. So yes, they did change and no, I don't agree that Chuck kept "mentally abusing" Blair. And once again: They're fictional characters. They're not real. Ya'll need to chill. It doesn't matter.
The “irrationally layered clothing” killed me!!! I was born and raised in nyc so during the gossip girl era going to school felt like getting ready for battle
lmaooo this is so accurate
Omg 😂 I love it! I wanted to dress like
them so bad though I didn’t even watch the show
I definitely think GG should be seen as a relic. I mean I’ve seen the show about three times and have squeezed as much enjoyment from it as possible, but it is as problematic as it looks. I’ll probably check out the reboot, but mostly out of nostalgia.
About the analysis you made on Dan being revealed as Gossip Girl, I genuinely think the creators didn’t care about whatever connotations it brought to the story. At least from my point of view the identity of GG was never really important, it was mostly a device the writers used to move the story forward.
Agreed....I honestly think that when they started the show they had no plans to reveal a gossip girl. Then the fans started pushing so they picked Eric and then that got leaked so they picked Dan and that was that.
I completely agree with that last paragraph!
@@roch_wilder14 yeah, I also think that's most likely what happened, sucks though, maybe they could have done something more elaborate, but then again it's the CW so 🤷🏻♀️
Dan was honestly so unfairly hated by the fans. Chuck was the fan-favorite, so the writers just decided to make Dan the bad guy in order to make Chuck seem better in comparison.
Exactly! I started thinking that the show stopped being about the revealing GG and more just about the characters. Most of the time I forgot the show revolved around this because I was so used to just seeing the lives of the characters instead
Love how chuck is a lowkey gay in the books and...this....on the show
I think in book it was confirmed that he was bi
@@youhaveniceshoes1939 same on the show. He says it out loud many Times that he has sex with males.
@@Matilda-u5n lol an then the meaning of queerbait was born
@@msantosdearaujo9379 I dont know what that is.
@@Matilda-u5n when screenwriters make nods to a character being lgbtq while never writing plotlines where they can grow within their conditions we call it queerbait
4:33 that's insane, like I understand his point, but getting into ivy league schools is a huge status marker for rich kids. Getting into college is getting more selective because everyone is expected to go and get a degree. Rich kids have rich parents who are usually legacies and who donate large amounts of money to get their kids into college. Lori Loughlin committed fraud to get her daughter into college, so the fact that they would drop that aspect of high school is ridiculous. Do all the characters have to go to college right after high school? No. But there should at least be some agonizing and acknowledgement of it.
Plus rich kids never needed to go to college. Not like low to medium class people. Even with social media, many people just flaunt wealth.
It almost seems like they specifically don’t have college be at the forefront because they would have to actually comment on the inequality and privilege that rich parents can buy their kids way into school.
maybe you should express yourself more respectful
he also doesn't acknowledge the fact that the reason "a lot" of people from our generation have some kind of business or established themselves somewhere via social medias instead of just having hobbies that doesn't get them paid at all is because 1) the economy is BAD, 2) they're the ones who keep on glamorizing rich people's lifestyles
I was waiting for this comment!
I thought I was the only one who felt bad for the way the show treated Jenny. Glad to know I wasn't crazy
me too :)
Me too
Frsh eyes here just binged first 4 seasons. I hated the way she was treated by everybody and in reality felt like the most grounded character also my easy fav. Also reckon Taylor has effortless charm
SAME
Same the part where Blair forces Jenny to leave New York annoyed me so bad
This video was spot on and FANTASTIC! They really said, “Dan is the ‘good guy’ (debatable), he became the bad guy and got everything he wanted in the end..... What a greeeeat message. Also I always LOVED Jenny’s character and even when I first watched the show, it really hurt to see what happens to her and how she truly is the most used character. I also really love that this video didn’t focus too much on Serena cause in all fairness, it’s the other characters who moved the plot along more than she did.
I feel like they punished Jenny's actor for wanting to quit and make music. She made the right choice imo.
I hate Dan! The fact that he gets Serena at the end is disgusting
Serena and Dan are both so boringggg
All Serena did was make surprised pikachu faces, fr
@lina.7954 How was Dan boring he was Gossip Girl
I won't lie. I am still a fan of the OG GG series. Season 1 will forever be the most stark and edgy of the series run. I can attest to the series falling victim to fluff and circumstance after that. But I'll always remember a time when Gossip Girl was prime teen drama television. We'll just have to see what the new rendition brings about.
I have watched season 1 and 2 a hundred times. I don't remember much of the other seasons...
Same. i recently rewatched the whole thing, and I can say that the first season is always gonna be my favorite in my opinion. I remember going back to watch the first two seasons a thousand times and then stop, because the rest isn't as good. I think I watched the last 4 seasons only three times, while I watched the first two a solid ten times. GG is definitively a guilty pleasure for me and not gonna lie, I am planning on watching the reboot just to see.
Same, season 1 is my favourite, it just had so much drama
Show should have ended at season 2
The first 2 seasons are some of the best in television
There was never a moment I disliked Jenny, if anything her treatment made me dislike other characters more.
Amen.
I feel like that was kinda the point? Her and Dan were the “normal” ones, the ones closest to the viewers personal experience. We all watched the show to watch hot spoiled brats act like hot spoiled brats. I don’t think the show tries to paint them as likable, they’re just pretty and mean and it’s fascinating to people outside that “world” 🤷🏾♀️
THIS
@@jasminewilliams8944 well that was the point in season 1, by season 2 they were transitioning into making the less rich brooklyn kids insufferable and making the rich kids, specifically the rapist, the heroes
@Sophia Fayrweather
1) i feel like jenny helping william and trying to break up serena and nate was out of character and clearly to make the viewers dislike jenny because the actor was ready to quit so that we wont miss her
2) jenny didnt know about serena's drugging, when she found out she immediately called out julliet and vanessa then she went and told her dad and bair
3) she didnt play the victim to chuck, she was caught by dan and of course everyone had to act as if she didnt willingly have sex with him and like shes a pure innocent sunflower that has to be protected
One thing I’m worried about when it comes to this reboot is the fact that diverse casting doesn’t always equal adequate representation. And also fans tend to latch onto white characters regardless of how they’re portrayed on the show. So if they make the characters of color elitists, and the lone white character the moral compass, it’s going to make the characters of color look like villains and fan hatred justified. If the white characters are elitist and the characters of color are moral compasses, then the fandom might give them the Jenny Humphrey treatment.
The only way this show will work is if they’re self aware enough to nip these things in the Bud at the very start. Hopefully time has given the creators a new perspective. I’ve seen that the ~new Blair~ might be a Black girl, and while I’m excited to see a black female lead, I worry about how she’ll be handled.
Because they don't do it for representation. They do it for tokenism. "Here's the x identity, this is you".
I have watched SO many shows that have that one gay character in and they are COMPLETELY troped and stereotypical. Like, every gay is Kurt from Glee. Super into musicals and FASHION and just "one of the girls" that when you actually start meeting gays IRL, they're not like that. They're just like "everyone else". Yes, there are flamboyant ones, but shows like to act like this is the ONLY version of a gay that exists. Someone who will finger snap and sass you out.
@@alexisaguirre5526 I'm Black and my hair IS a kind of magic gem, Alexis.
@@frogradar Nail on the head. Like the day people stop TRYING to write related characters and try to right HUMANS will be the day marginalized people actually see equality.
THANK YOU. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾This can become The Heathers reboot real quick because in order to get away with what these teens did in this show you have to be the European standard of beauty and opulence, which is a White person and is digestible to white people. That already makes someone aspirational. It's why Cher, Regina George, many Glee characters, etc have always gotten away with toxicity. I always say inserting [diverse character] into a White-made story, especially because there's always a difference between the levels of privilege between a Black rich character and White rich character, is murky territory. Personally, this is not how I want to see Black lead characters going forward, stuck in reboots. I want the same juicy interesting stories but with an original and authentically Black approach. This is giving me Blackface vibes where they just stick a Black character where the original story was written honestly for a white person. It will never really be authentic. Most Black people will never be elitist over White people in our society because the "wealth" that Black people have accumulated in our system is through a Europeanized system. It makes no sense to have a Black person with a Blair attitude, and if so, she will have a quick wake up call because in society, in the real world, that's not how society looks. Black people are not at the top of the pyramid.
Jenny was my favorite character outside of her romance plot lines. Blair was also one of my favorite characters but I could never get over how Chuck being at least an attempted rapist that literally everyone knew you should try to avoid was just kinda brushed past. I always loved the relationship between Blair and Serena. I think I shipped them when I watched it as a teen but wouldn't let myself consider that because I wasn't ready to accept that I was gay.
the chuck being a rapist plotline is so sticky bcs its v clear that the writers (who have even said themselves) that they originally wanted an irredeemable but changed their mind after filming the pilot so its best to not take chucks actions(+implied actions) as cannon...if that makes sense
@happy baby yh im aware im not disagreeing with the video I was just pointing out what the writers said about it which wasn't in the video
@Boop Beep like i said im only saying what the writers said about it, they themselves said they made a mistake and that's not the route they wanted to take. Thats why there's scenes where they try and 'redeem' it like when he wakes up in pairs or when he apologises to jenny because they knew they cant brush it under the rug
@Boop Beep I hate her she really triggered me tbh
Jenny was ur fav? HOW?
Jenny was my fav character and I didn't understand why her mistakes were considered unforgivable transgressions while Chuck's actual crimes were brushed aside. I also thought that Dan and Blair from the beginning were the better couple because they challenged each other well. Dan could temper Blair's disdain and snobbery while Blair could challenge whether or not Dan was much more different than her.
Edit: in summary i feel like to a lot of audiences being inconvenient is a far greater offence than being cruel.
edit: why are ppl so upset in the replies damn its not that serious lol. "it's just a show BUT HOW DARE YOU CRITICISE MY FAVE!"
Yes, they also had similar personalities they were both really witty and cynical at times. I agree Dan could've challenged the snobby, conceited side of Blair.
EXACTLY!!
Writers themselves hate poor
Agree
I loved Jenny and Vanessa soooo much and then I went online as was so confused about why everyone hated them!
Jenny is arguably the most compelling character of the show, not to also mention, the most relatable. While most of the show's watchers would disagree, the vast majority of them wouldn't be Blair's, they would be Jenny's. And truthfully, I would rather be a flawed working-class fashion prodigy than a Marie Antoinette wannabe in the 21st century.
Yes
Exactly
Lmao I’d rather be Serena people hate the Serena’s of the world because they aren’t rhem let that sink in and let’s be real jenny would or got a man quicker than Blair gossip girl has a thing for blondes
@@bgcrp2005 Getting a man is not an accomplishment.
@@bgcrp2005It's not that important to get stupid dick appointments pick-me
Honestly most of these issues with Gossip Girl ended up happening in Elite too. At first it started out as some sort of commentary on the upper class when the poorest students started to attend, but then by the most recent season it just became a hard on for rich people aesthetics.
Meanwhile I've always loved those crazy stories about rich people and their absurd adventures. Its my guilty pleasure 🤗
definitely, it was completely gone by season 2 and it became all about the murders and drama and secrecy. i still liked it, but i remember the class theme was the main thing that was pushed before it debuted, and it sucked for it to be so reduced and irrelevant. even cayetana fell flat for me despite an interesting concept, just seemed like when it was there the working class element was completely separate when imo it should be tied together
Then watch shows about poor people idk
I mean, it’s intention wasn’t to show commentary on the upper class and lower class, it was meant to be a teen show about murder and mystery, and it did exactly that. Each season had a different subplot but it’s core intention stayed the same.
@@DoodleDoo2 It definitely did have intentions to comment on class differences, the first season heavily revolves around the fact that Samu, Nadia and Christian are of a different class and are discriminated against for that reason. I mean Cayetana, Rebe, their storylines also heavily revolve around their difference in wealth and class from the others.
Very preliminary thesis time!: The reason why so many (practically every) piece of media aimed at teens so quickly drops in quality, even when starting from a good footing, is because no one underestimates teenagers like the media (be it producers, execs, writers, publishers, etc.). In contrast, media aimed at children or pre-teens has been on a sustained upward trajectory in quality since the 90s because the target audience has not been underestimated (by the creative heads at least) and, I'd argue, in part because they need to comply with an educational role which, if cleverly approached, can be a great starting point to interrogate the content you're making. I don't want to say that only crap content is produced for teens, but it feels like the content aimed at them hasn't matured in the way content for children has.
This is a really good point! I'm in the demographic and the way teen shows depict teenagers and issues we care about is often tacky, shallow and performative. I watch more cartoons (typically aimed at kids) because I feel the creators get more creative and tackle their themes honestly, not out of lip service to what they think kids want. And I see creators in animation push for better stories all the time, and actually interact with their audience so I dunno why YA writers can't do the same 🤦
Well I must disagree. I saw what kids around me watch. Like, what in this world is that? I wasn't even a kid that long ago. A 4-5 year old kid acting in a show where it doesn't have any lines and communicates solely by sounds? And the only words spoken are not only said by the adults, but also don't even form a sentence?
Also, should I remind you of Thundercats Roar? Or the newest Scooby Doo seasons? Older animations treated kids like adults. Modern ones treat them like babies. For example, Studio Ghibli movies. They aren't afraid to show wounds and war to kids because kids can face those things in life. Instead they show the characters overcoming those problems. That's what children's shows should do.
@@ruthfolorunso8715 With general audiences cartoons (there's no point in even calling them children's cartoons anymore!) the average is so high that the great ones are exceptional pieces of art. It's so sad, considering that it doesn't seem that the problem is interference by suits, considering the crap they put out, they might actually have too much creative freedom.
And the other thing, the series that actually respect teens usually are either family oriented (Gilmore Girls) or... British (Sex Education)
This is why I’m a big fan of Degrassi: The Next Generation and Degrassi: Next Class. I always felt that the Degrassi writers were really good at keeping the show grounded in what it really feels like to be a teenager and accurately represents the things teenagers go through. Degrassi never underestimates it’s audience and the seasons change and reflect the current social climate. Degrassi: Next Class is evidence of that. Degrassi has always felt ahead of its time for me and I’m sad that so few people my age have seen it.
That's a great point! That brings to mind the movie Inside Out. When I watched it as a 23-year-old, I saw it as a very accurate depiction of what depression feels like, portrayed in a way that would make sense to people like my family who don't understand it. Teen shows like 13 Reasons Why, on the other hand, just come off as melodramatic and insincere in their portrayal of depression.
I've always wondered why Chuck forcing himself on Jenny and Serena jus get overlooked, a season later fans were rooting for "Chair" and Jack tried to rape Lily and Blair basically but in the last season he's one of the gang and helped Blair and Chuck get married
The first episode was the pilot and they decided to go a completely different direction after. A lot of things changed from the pilot
@@Love25648 What?? Chuck gets accused of sexual assault again in season 3, trades Blair for a hotel in the same season, and assaults her in season 4. And in early season 1 (not the pilot) Blair says something along the lines of "Chuck brags about his conquests, not his victims" implying his attempted rapes of Serena and Jenny had been successful on other girls. He was always that character beyond the pilot, Chairs just didn't want to see it.
Like wtf, Jenny's change of style was the best thing on the whole VANILLA style media. Finally someone grungy not showcased as the sad (emo) outcast kid in school. More badass grungy girls in series please!
Honestly, I feel too "old" for the new gossip girl. I'll let the teens have it just like I skipped on Euphoria, because I had Skins already ten years prior. Also, for some reason I really don't care for a show about privileged rich people. I feel like 2020 has confronted us too much with reality, to look away again. At least for me. I don't want escapism, I want solutions. Anyway, maybe young people won't mind dreaming a little bit longer. I hope the new series is quality and not toxic. Ahh I forgot to mention, it was so great seeing you and your friend in the video, pls do this more often.
Okay, but as a HUGE Skins fan, I have to say, Euphoria is a totally different vibe. Skins was a story of a group of friends, Euphoria is several separate stories of youth that although they all know one another, it's not really THAT major that they are "friends". Its a different vibe. I definitely like Skins more for various reasons, including I've loved it for YEARS now, but Euphoria is interesting and definitely incorporates some fresh themes.
I’ve watched skins at a young age and enjoyed the light aspects to the show.Watching euphoria was too much for me maybe because I’m in different mindset. I would consider euphoria as more serious the show really triggered me. That’s why I prefer skins to some aspect because it still had humor.
Hey girls, I still haven't seen a full Euphoria episode, but I've seen some scenes at this point and I noticed that it's incredibly direct to the point and kinda disturbing/dark. I don't think I could have handled Euphoria back in 2007/8/9. But back then it was a simpler time. I literally feel that I can't have an opinion on the show, without watching it first. I guess I compared it to Skins because so many people said "it's the skins of this generation"? Anyway, I actually came across a dark teen show recently called "Baby" on Netflix, it's an Italian show and I rather enjoyed it. So maybe I'll get around to watch Euphoria too at some point. But I still haven't changed my mind about the gossip girl reboot. I fell like I'm not the target audience anymore, but I'll definitely watch the style analysis videos when the time comes!
I've never watched SKINS but from how you talk about it i think i might. Either way i think you should give Euphoria a chance; yes it may be dark but it brings to light issues like addiction, homophobia, date rape, underage online prostitution, mental illness among other many issues that heavily affect our societies in this time.
yeah Im too old for the new gossip girl too... I second the Euphoria recommendation, if only just for Zendaya's performance breaking my heart repeatedly. Baby was really entertaining, as were the first seasons of Elite, but Euphoria was on another level of disturbing/I dont want to have kids
Me to every CHAIR shipper: How come everyone forgot about Chuck almost raping Jenny and Serena, emotionally abusing Blair and also almost attacking her in his jealous drunk fit?? WTF.
lmao I can't believe I overlooked all of these attempted rape scenes and the casual "romantic violence" with Chuck.... I don't even remember noticing that these were terrible scenes. But now I look at them and cringe.
ikr chuck tries to sexually assault two girls in the pilot yet it’s brushed over and chuck manages to apologise a WHOLE ass season later to jenny like that makes up for it
I knew it and have a hatred for chuck but sadly I was a minority
@@iqqyhassan2339 THIS!!! when they announced a reboot I called it out on Twitter and I was ripped to SHREDS
@@hioiij Ugh how it's 2021??? People are really still stanning abusive rapists just cause they're rich white men I guess.
I always liked Jenny and her racoon eyes
Weirdly enough, me too
I still do, love Taylor Momsen and the pretty reckless
Taylor laughed in an interview about the Racoon eyes, she said she was going for Panda lol
12 year old me was emo af (stil am) and wished I was her. Emo queen.
Ikr I never understood why people hated her and I would always defend her saying that she was simply a victim of circumstance.
We haven't grown out of gossip girl: bridgerton is regency!gossip girl and blowing up netflix
I only just realised at like episode 4 that lady whistle down is just gossip girl 😂 the whole show is predicated on the same idea and ppl are eating that up. The idea that we’ve ‘grown out’ of this narrative is plainly not true. As socially conscious as we become ppl still like this stuff which is fine I guess but perhaps signals that we’re not as ‘progressive’ as we like to think
Exactly we can have the same formula but with more diverse ppl we haven’t changed at all💀💀
Bridgerton people seem to gloss over sexual assault in that as well it’s disgusting and the writing is worse than Gossip Girl
that show has a straight up rape scene that’s blame on the black man who was RAPED
@@mia3825 we also have to look at it through the eyes of the ppl in that era she probably had no idea the gravity of the thing she did cus she didn’t even know what sex was weeks prior
IVANKA TRUMP AND JARED KUSHNER WERE N O T IN GG WHY DONT I REMEMBER THIS
they were at an event they were hosting I think season 4
@@wcai3421 Yeah they appeared very briefly at a party in Season 4 episode 6 or 7.
Never forget Weinsteins daughter
i recently rewatched all of gossip girl and aside from their appearance in season 4, ivanka trump specially gets name dropped a lot lol to the point where it seemed downright obsessive!
Nika I noticed this too even in season 3, chuck brags about having gone down on her or something like that.
you are such a g, i’m in awe💗💚
Takes one to know one honestly, you both make very interesting and insightful content!
i love both ur vids sm
Both your channels are amazing
It'd be so awesome if you made a video about class representation in movies. Love your videos ❣️❣️
legends complimenting legends
I totally agree with the chuck analysis. I recently sat down to watch GG again and my husband and I were shocked at all of the sexual assaults involved in just the first few episodes. It’s disgusting and the lack of punishment for his actions is wrong. Maybe the writers did this to show how affluence, white privilege, and lots of money gets you out of trouble but it was still hard to watch.
I am honestly cautiously optimistic and intrigued by the reboot, wether it is a trashy escapist fantasy like the original or a critique and social commentary on what it was. I just think there is so much unrealized potential around the concept gossip girl, I lowkey want them to pull it off
Same here! I have my problems for the original with the original as I’m sure we all do, but for what it’s worth you’re so right the potential they have to deliver some pretty subtle or heavy handed commentary on the condition in which we live in is too large to ignore.
Same! I'm just here for the ride!
The only thing that was missing from this (which I don’t know WHY I had hoped for) was the extra mention of subliminal racism. Vanessa was not a character meant to be liked from the minute she was introduced, and all her following actions only fueled more hatred. She was the only “black” main/supporting character on the show AND SHE WAS EXTRA LIGHT SKINNED. ...but I suppose I’m not surprised that this wasn’t mentioned. We know what only matters.
Yeah everybOdy Is JUsT SO RaCISt
Great taking point. The author of the original novel series was disappointed by the tv show depiction of Vanessa when in the novels she’s the best and most complex character
@@Kevin-rg3yc what's the difference between the novel Vanessa and TV?
@@hassanalkhalaf1115 Vanessa in the novel never fell in the upper class mentality as she does in the TV show, she doesn’t have a hypocritical holler than thou attitude towards the upper east side kids, she’s more self aware and uses her position at the upper east side private school to address bigger issues and enhance her dreams/talent as a actress/filmmaker. She’s more complex and likable
umm.. Raina? The Thorpes?
I think the writing on Jenny is attributed as well to Taylor Momsen herself wanting to leave the show.
You can kinda tell that Taylor Momsen was over the whole acting thing and her character too.
But rather than making her exit a nice sendoff, instead, she’s made as a tool for the characters to have a villain and for the main cast to look better.
I always felt like blair had sooo much potential especially being with dan and their whole dynamic in general - but they kind of destroyed her arc in season 6
Blair will never end up with dan like never dan was not poor but not rich enough blair is elitist person she will never end up with a guy who is not more rich than her.
I've never hated jenny, the more the writers tried to make her look bad the more i loved her. They really missed the chance to make her the designer for Blair's brand in season 6 though that would have been so interesting
You missed a detail, but it's fine. I didn't notice it until I searched gossip girl facts. In the Final episode, Jenny was holding a waldorf bag which implies she's a fashion designer working with blair.
@@mysterymeme6141 oh i noticed i just wanted it to be an entire plot thread in the last season that would have been interesting
i choose to watch gossip girl as a comedy and for this reason i will always love it
You're so right about Blair being a loveable classist! I loved Blair in the first few seasons because I feel like the writers were interested in her flaws and invested in her arc. Like that Season 1 Leighton Meester performance is great because it was so grounded and relatable even though the world is fantastical and satirical. So many of today's TV mean girls try to accomplish what that season 1 arc accomplished. But then it got so lazy. And I always wondered why the fandom were so hard on Jenny!
The reboot culture part of this video is absolutely on point
i recently got mad all over again about how problematic this show was especially around Chuck and Chair. I read a interview of the creators talking about scene where Chuck forces himself on Blair and nearly punches her and they basically excuse his abuse behavior by selling a "their relationship is special" narrative. I remember waiting every Monday night religiously for new episodes of this show and how much it probably influenced how I saw romance in my young adulthood. I loved this in depth analysis!! You hit all the right points! Everyone who watches Gossip Girl needs to see it. I totally agree the original creators do not have the capacity to do a truly nuanced and woke reboot and they are using this to make more money. I don't think people should brush this show off as a silly teen drama cause it influenced society so much and young women especially.
I really loved your analysis. That said, I think the one thing we're missing here is the producing network. There's a reason why this reboot is being produced by HBO and not, say, Netflix or Freeform. I think each network has a certain... aesthetic that comes with its own expectations and qualities (for better and worse), so it would follow (in my mind, at least) that the new GG would be more in the vein of Euphoria than the SBTB reboot. Just my two cents.
that's actually very insightful, would you elaborate further? (im an italian living in the us so im not very familiar with "traditional" networking products, as in I have seen GG on Netflix for instance) my assumption would be that HBO is higher quality and actually less mainstream that Netflix, which would be more focused in quantity. but that's just my assumption
@@rrentboy So, I want to be very clear that I'm not expert, nor am I particularly articulate, nor have I watched a ton of shows on any given network. That said, I'll try and explain this to the best of my abilities lol GG was originally aired on the CW, which is not a subscription service, so it was subject to some rules and regulations that subscription services (like Netflix and HBO) aren't. Meaning, you won't see the language, nudity, etc. on the CW like you would on, say, HBO.
The best way that I've been able to differentiate, like, Netflix and HBO's teen shows is that Netflix makes shows *for* teens and HBO makes shows *about* teens. I think quality is fairly subjective, so I won't comment on that, but you're looking at a Euphoria vs. Outer Banks. I'm not saying that teenagers can't or don't enjoy Eurphoria, but I don't necessarily believe that they were the target demographic. I fully expect that GG 2.0 will be similar.
@@rrentboy GG was produced and aired on CW. Netflix is just the subscription service you can view it on, although they do produce original shows now. HBO is always known for showing more graphic scenes like sex scenes bordering on soft core porn and nudity. CW has always been more PG 13. So this new gossip girl reboot might be edgier and get away with showing more graphic scenes or narratives than the original. Hope that makes sense! :)
The accurate and on point costume design for the narrators has me wanting to layer various clothing for no reason again ♡
Dan and Jenny were the best characters but no one is ready for that conversation. I always have and will despise chuck. I liked Blair when she was with Dan but hated her in the final season. it was obvious they made Dan act they way he did in season 6 and made him GG to make Chuck look like the better option for Blair which even if I somehow believed that Dan was GG which I don’t especially since the writers even admitted that they made Dan GG at the last minute which just goes to show how bad they were at their job they knew that Dan was the better man for Blair so they had to basically ruin his character to make chuck look good. Dan treated her like she always wanted like her own person with him she matured and evolved and as soon as she got back with chuck she reverted into that petty self centered girl worse than she was in season one I really couldn’t stand her in the final season. Chuck cheated on her in season two when Jack comes in and tricks Blair into making a party with the bass industry investors he takes chuck to party and hook up with girls to which chuck happily does even though he knew damm well he was with Blair. He was always looking for excuses to ruin their relationship when they were together and then when she was happy with someone else he would ruin it. Dan loved Blair since season four but yet he was still their for her as a friend in her relationship problems unlike chuck who would get possessive over her with other guys. Yes Dan made a mistake sleeping with Serena but let’s not forget Serena’s hand in making that happen she went to him when he was heartbroken over Blair not meeting him and seduced him.Chuck would always go sleep with other women the minute things went wrong with Blair so he was far from her ideal match. Although maybe they deserved each other given how horrible they were.
I agree i hated chuck too, like blair and dan were also relatable from enemies to friends to lovers plus i think dan kept blair grounded
@@reginadanielle3755 yes their relationship was epic perhaps to perfect for the imperfect writers of this show. I will say that i have faith on the writers improving on the sequel series the expectation bar is so low there’s no where to go but up.
I agree with Jenny but Dan really is the worst. Dan is the worst character on the show and he’s done every shitty move their is. Anyways yeah fuck Dan. Love Jenny.
Agree with everything you said. I thought I was the only one who felt that way. My friends absolutely hate Jenny and Dan but according to me, they are the best characters
I think this is the best comment. Dan and Blair's relationship was too good for a teen drama like Gossip Girl.
I am so relieved to finally see critique of chuck's character. Ever since his rape attempts I have despised him. Even as I binge watched all the seasons, I couldn't stand him or forgive him. Blair is my favorite character (which I'm now questioning) and I hated their relationship. I didn't understand how my friends drooled over him
Don’t question it. Blair is the most interesting and entertaining character on the show.
i wish one tree hill got more credit for creating such well written and well rounded characters in a teen drama (weirdly rare) even the villains had so many layers to them - no character was black or white they were all so complex. characters were held accountable
🙏🙏🙏 And the opening theme song!🥰
Nobody talk about one tree hill, I wonder why cause It's part of all of these teen dramas but still their wasn't enough diversity in it
And The OC
Im always surprised to hear how much Jenny is hated since she’s my fav character from the Show 😂
Me too
I hated Jenny but she actually redeemed herself for me being the only one who cared that Serena could die from a drug overdose and telling Blair.
The fact that she was the hardest working person on the show and actually got karma for events that other people cause and people genuinely hate her like what.
@@ajf1219 Even when not likeing Jenny I still wanted to throw up in my mouth after the writers threw her back in bed with Chuck for cheap drama with Blair. Honestly Jenny assasult at Chuck's hands still bugs me on the show. I get they couldn't do anything within the show universe to Chuck but the amount of times Jenny had to put up with him speaks volumes about the whole groups ability to brush it off.
I think I started to see though the show in much later seasons with its non ritch people bias. Lilly had such a stick up her back side because she was jealous Charlie got more love from Cece then she did and yeah I started to take Charlie's side a lot.
I still like Dan though as the video said if you ignore the Gossip girl crap, he's a flawed person who tries to do the right thing and often gives the upper east side a does of reality.
Its the final season that wrecks his character and I get why a lot of people cann't get behind him after that but to me Dan is always going to be the guy who had the means to distroy Chuck Bass and his whole family and instead showed his short story to Bart Bass to help him understand his son better. To me that's the core of who Dan is the person who may do a lot of petty crap but cares about people too much to exploit them.
And I can easily seperate previous season Dan from the creepy nice guy stalker they turned him into the final.
@@yukijames1321 serena has done worse than that. and blair and chuck were more cruel to jenny than jenny was to anyone. i think if you watch the show you see why jenny did that. plus she regretted and helped save serena in the end
Rewatching Gossip Girl with the ulterior knowledge that Dan is GG kinda ruined the show for me. Instances that showed how impossible it is for him to be her are GLARING and they made me mad all over again every time lmao
you’re the first person I’ve seen to actually say that some of the most loved characters are actually the worst and you have all my respect for that
look at the comments of chuck proposing to blair after he just slept with jenny... everyone is insulting her and saying she came inbetween them!!! its DISGUSTING
Yikes, thats gross
Exactly
It’s so disgusting that they want to give chuck a blind eye because he’s “chuck bass” and have the audacity to say it’s not chuck’s fault. Like wtf is this fandom stupid?!
you made me realize that I liked Blair only because of her behavior in the first season, where we would see her issues and weaknesses; then they turned her in more of a one-dimensional character ... amazing video !! one of my favorite youtube essays :)
best analysis of GG i've seen so far! a great part of the girls from my middle school (in Germany!) romanticized the show and especially "chair". i'm not sure about the part that today's (youth) culture isn't so much about glorifying and flaunting wealth anymore though, i think, these phantasies are still very alive and thriving (look at the Kardashians or Ariana Grande's seven rings or basicially half of instagram's influencers)
I agree. I don’t think it’s right to suggest that gen z is this totally revolutionary generation who rejects all the opulence of past generations. It’s just manifested in different ways now but the trend is till the same
Exactly, just because hate the rich, doesn’t mean they don’t want to be rich
"It means no more making excuses for rapists, just because they have a Hamlet complex."
THANK YOU.
I just hate how much Jenny and Ivy’s characters were hated on. The writers ruined Jenny’s arc completely and why was Jenny blamed and abolished from New York for sleeping with Chuck when clearly it takes two to tango? And Ivy and Rufus? Really??? That move didn’t ruin one but MULTIPLE characters- Rufus, The Van der Woodsen family (for their treatment of an imposter girl who was just looking out for an old lady and then said lady left her fortune behind to the imposter girl even though she knew the truth about the imposter.)
Apart from this, after ALL Lily and Rufus had been through, it came down to an annulment for Bart (and the money) and Ivy being blamed 🤦🏻♀️
Smh I have so many complaints from the season where Jenny was sent off, like you literally just cut off a MAJOR character of the show to humanise the others (I love Blair still, but Jenny’s treatment and character arc hurt different)
I know it’s a really unpopular opinion, but I never liked chuck 😬
Not that unpopular I always hated Chuck and loved Dan
@@melissaperez5370 i hate both tbh
Speaking of early 2000s shows about rich people, though handled in a very different way, I’d love to see you do a video on Gilmore Girls. I have...complex feelings on the show and what it has to say about class, and I haven’t really seen anyone truly go into depth about it.
Good suggestion! I've been thinking about a Gilmore Girls vid for a couple years now, there's so much to talk about!
omg yess please do one on gilmore girls, and also please find out why people love Emily so much but then continue to bash Logan Hunzberger for the very same reason. Like they are both entitled, smart, strong and overly confident characters and I get why people wouldn't like them, but then again, why does Emily get so much praise in the later season and Logan doesn't?
@@helenahelena1926 the thing is, rory and lorelai are also entitled, and VERY judgemental. To be completely honest the show itself has some very troubling messages, Arcs like lane's and Luke are kinda problematic
@@margarethponciano4960 completely agree! I feel like especially Lorelai got a pass for literally everything, no matter how judgemental she was and how ego-driven her actions were. 100 % get what you mean with Lane, but never thought about Lukes story arc in a problematic way, could you explain?
Totally on board for a Gilmore Girls episode
I always interpreted gossip girl as a commentary on how things really were. As a teen I never saw it as glamourizing anything. I honestly thought it was meant to show how the rich and poor interacted each other. I never looked it and and was like "OMG YAS QUEEN!" LOL
My best friend and I used to watch GG in high school. My best friend became way too obsessed and ended up cheating with my boyfriend at the time. When she told me and I was upset, she was like, "It's like Gossip Girl!! Blair and Serena do this all the time and they are amazing friends. I don't see what the big deal is!"
Oof. Friendly reminder that our media has the ability to change our perceptions and morality, so consume wisely!
Thank you for bringing up chuck’s ass*ults! I feel like it’s so easily forgotten even though it’s such a big part of his character!
Honestly my favorite character is Jenny and when she left I stoped watching the show
same
and it was the right decision lol
Jenny has ALWAYS been my favorite character. I’ve always seen her as a victim of a privileged lifestyle that she isn’t destined to have. In a way it’s a blessing, the life of the privileged is pretentious, materialist, and classist. Jenny has so much more to offer and being a part of that world prevents her from a life she truly deserves.
This is an amazing analysis! Thank you for making it. I love your insights.
Jenny Humphrey was the real MVP. Our working class fashion prodigy. I love her so much.
my fave part is that she’s not working class she’s very much rich 😭😭
@@alice-qj1bl not rich enough to get out of jail or any situation Which other people get out easily. Also, even if she's well off Blair and others are still classist towards her.
@@raquellawlitet2992 which, again, does not make her working class. just a rich person who works hard (as crazy as it might sound some of them do exist)
@@rrentboy she still works. Her father works. She's not like Serena with old money/socialite or like Blair with old money/famous mother. She literally steals clothes because she doesn't have money to buy gowns.
@@raquellawlitet2992 she steals gowns to go to galas, not food to eat. i love her as well, just not working class at all lol does not mean she's not an hard worker
i agree with all points made in this video and i think you really hit the nail on the head. i personally won't be tuning in to a reboot. however, i think with so many people facing economic insecurity in 2020 (similar to the 2008 recession), the desire for escapism into a wealthy fantasy might be stronger now than ever before. so, i feel like public reception could go either way. today's teens seem more tuned into the severity of wealth inequality than I was in the mid-2000s. but at the same time, the desire to escape from the current state of things might provide the reboot with a lot of viewers.
I agree and my desire for escapist tv has increased due to lock down.
In answering the video title in some ways yes and in other ways no. It’s a timeless problematic piece that perfectly exemplifies the time it came out in.
THANK YOU , i always loved Jenny and even more right now in my 20s (i watched GG as a teen) and i always felt she was hated for no good reason. Everytime the wealthier girls like Serena or Blair did something bad they were forgiven and literally untouched but Jenny was always framed, hated and paying for the consecuences! Which makes no sense to me, she was the only one with a real talent and goal for herself rather than just conforming with being someones wife or girlfriend plus idc about what people say i LOVE her more gothic/grunch style later on , it was soooo cool but classy at the same time , she look great!
Facts !
as someone who loves gossip girl and my favourite character is blair its important to remember that our responsibility as a consumer of media is to be able to criticize what we're watching
It doesn’t make sense that Dan is Gossip Girl.
i heard it was meant to be georgina but they thought it would be too obvious
@@NayFlacko Tbh why didn’t they just make gossip girl Kristen Bell the voice of gossip girl. They could of said like she was a person who was jealous of there lifestyle and jealous of how much drama there is. Because I think that would of been more easier and realistic to see then Dan.
" 'woke' " *shows winx trailer* i laughed
@Crystal Odiri tragedy
If the writers wanted me to hate Jenny they failed, i rooted for her more than anybody.
Oh I love the take on Jenny. I don't get why so many people hated her
She was my fav for pretty much all the reasons presented in this video.
To be honest I DO have a good feeling about this reboot, if only because it's going to be produced by HBO. Would it be a CW reboot, I would be a LOT less optimistic, but after Euphoria, I'm trusting HBO with teen shows.
I’m so sick of these endless reboots. Give us something new or nothing at all
agree
*THIS!*
idk... unpopular option but... BLAIR WAS HORRIBLE. I just dont understand how she became so many peoples favorite character and how she was so idolized when she was so like... horrible and also I cant even talk about Chuck and I just like :/ Like Serena wasnt much better but at least she tried to do good things and had empathy for those others than herself.
Same, i dont get it either. She was beyond awful
I loved Jenny Humphrey. She’s my working class queen and to make myself feel better about the way she was treated in the later seasons I try to find good fanfics of her.
I'm too lazy to read fanfics but if anyone does comics or videos as fanarts, I'll totally watch!
She was definitely not working class though- she wasn’t as wealthy as the others but they did that on purpose to emphasise how wealthy they actually were. They were relatively middle class.
ppl living in dumbo are not working class lol
@@annamageste like pointed out in the video jennys fam is upper middle class. they have a huge loft in one of the most expensive brooklyn areas.
The problem with the show is that they started it off remaining generally faithful to the story which was why the first couple seasons were great then they saw how successful it was not just as a show but a pop culture phenomenon and started basing the characters off of the public’s perception of the actors
I binge watched the whole show in like 15 days last month and the weirdest thing for me was how they just dropped Blair's eating disorder and bulimia after s1 and it's only mentioned again in the fifth season when she's pregnant
Wowwww that last line “it can be difficult to separate the place we’re escaping to from the reason we’re running in the first place”!! So true wow, thank you for this video x
say whatever y’all wanna say about blair she carried the show
I only watched for Jenny
@@realcrunchy6572 jenny literally left the show-
@@maria-ie6zd I know why i quit the show when she left
@Trinity Gilreath she carried the show every single character was a piece of shit get over it
@@maria-ie6zd She was an unlikeable , obsessive bitch
Speaking on the reboot culture thing, I think people need to understand too that hollywood is not interested in necessarily taking risks with original stories that feature women at the front lines or poeple of color unless it is say a reboot of a financially successful film that had an all male cast. This is why I roll my eyes at movie bros complaining about their movies being "ruined" by feminism because Ghostbusters (2016) exists.
The only thing that matters is that the audience shows up. If they don’t then 🤷🏾♀️
Right take for example Jordan peele who searched for 10 years to find a Hollywood film studio to produce and release get out, he eventually created his own production company and signed a distribution deal with universal pictures to release get out as well as Us. He’s using his produce company to also produce and release the candyman reboot and the lovecraft country series on HBO. No one wants a woman or POC writing original amazing stories with women/POC and their struggles with sexism and racism at the center
omg that's such BULLSHIT. Charmed, Buffy, Xena and Charlies angels, as well as many other shows of that time that had female leads TOPPED the charts. ALL people loved them. You know why? they didn't constantly shit on the male leads in the show.
You can't generate the audiences when you have the Main character come out with shit like "WHY? BECAUSE I'M A WOMAN?" "Stop Mansplianing" When you alienate literally 50% of a target audience with bullshit buzzwords and performative femnism, you will produce shit ratings for your shit show.
Charmed was a show about 3 powerful women. Desp Housewives was about 5 lead women. These shows did REALLY WELL. You know what they didn't do... performative feminism or tokenism like shows do when they reboot the show.
@@frogradar go off sis 👏👏👏
Gossip girl was realistic to me.
After all, who's Chuck Bass other than a school bully who was a creep to you and your shy best friend.
Who's Blair other than that highly competitive co- Ed/ co-worker/neighbor who can make your life living hell.
And who's Jenny other than that go getter who makes you sick and question your own efforts.
People rooted for these characters because they seem real. Not because they were not politically aware or ideal or cool.
Yeah! All these types of people exist and they exist without any consequences of what they did to others and gossip girl just confirms that.
And I agree, these characters are not meant to be worshipped and idolized. Love your work.
Now it's time to watch "Saved by The Bell". Didn't even know that reboot existed until now.
that TikTok at the end was so inaccurate. lmao chuck n Blair would not be donating money to black people on the street 💀💀💀
-HTTV
Thy are already giving us a GG reboot in the form of Bridgerton we don't need a literal reboot
So many shows ruined because fans guessed the ending, and the writers wanted to pretend they're more clever than they are. Looking at you too, Pretty Little Liars.
Please, that is a bullshit excuse that producers and writers use to not actually do an original ending, and pay lip service for stupid idiots fans, as a hobby writer, with an audience myself, I pretty honest about the work that I do, what you read is what you see, I not like George RR Martin that try to manipulate his audience for ratings.
The only gossip queen I care about these days is Lady Whistledown.
Lol
18:03 GRAB THE DRESSES JENNY! They’re right there!! GRAB THEM!!
Thank you for that little tangent about Taylor Momsen
This video is so insightful and well researched. I am glad that I am not the only one who loves Dan and Jenny. The Humphrey siblings were flawed but interesting characters and there is absolutely no doubt that they were used as scapegoats to make the privileged characters more likeable
I never understood the hate for Dan. He had some great lines. Good insight. Several of the characters (like Dan) were sarcastic, everyone on the show was a hypocrite. Everyone else was forgiven though, but not Dan. He was a teenager/early twenties so of course he has to learn... just like the others but for some reason people think it's unforgivable for Dan.
Everyone had motives for things in the series but Dan did still try to help those in his life so it made no sense that he was villainized. I mean, look at what the others did...
Dan wrote a (fictional) book loosely based on those around him - which Vanessa published (he didn't) and they hated him for it. Didn't like how he portrayed them in the (unedited) book. So it was really weird that people hated him for that.
It was all backwards.
Season 6 was messed up in many ways, going off character for a couple people. Then making Dan GG was just dumb, undoing all his character growth. It was supposed to be Eric and I thought that would have been a good move.
I’m of the strong opinion that season 1 of gossip girl was more of a parody/critique of the glamorisation of the elite. After that, things kinda get worse in my opinion. It’s too much focused on relationships and petty drama and not on the real things going on. Except for maybe Nate’s storey line with homelessness in season 2, nothing stood out to me after season 1.
One thing that always bothered me about the fandom is that they would defend Chuck Bass to the ends of the earth and make senseless excuses while antagonising Jane for less worse things
Just started watching the show and (whew) am I glad I did not watch it when I was a kid. I'm surprised you didn't mentioned more about Vanessa, though, who is one of my favourites but is universally hated by the fandom. Next to Dan and Jenny, she got the shortest end of the stick and it does not reflect well considering she is one of the only BIPOC in the show (and there's not even much to begin with). The way the writers send her off is such a disservice to her character; they made her insecure, jealous, and possessive over Dan and all the characters basically side-eye and mock her whenever she appears on screen (even her childhood friend Dan!). It doesn't help that her last actions before leaving the show is to plot the group's demise with Juliet and Jenny and to publish Dan's book without his consent... It's like the writers are purposefully trying to enable the fandom's hatred for her, huh.
Agree completely she was my second fav after Jenny
". It doesn't help that her last actions before leaving the show is to plot the group's demise with Juliet and Jenny"
She was going to straight up murder the other characters? Definitely how the show should have ended.
after trying to find a good/fun video where someone talks about some history or legacy of this show, I finally found yours. (thank god). no one reflects on tv/film like you
great video! as someone who has a hate-love relationship with the show and loves in depth video essays this is right up my ally