How Killing Eve Subverts the Spy Thriller
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- Tracing the history of bisexuality in film and TV, and where Killing Eve fits within it! Has there always been a queer subtext in the cat and mouse genre? Let's find out!
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Sources:
Bramesco article:
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Farrimond, Katherine. "Bisexual Detection: Visibility, Epistemology, and Contamination" in The Contemporary Femme Fatale: Gender, Genre and American Cinema, Taylor & Francis Group, 2017.
Harris Green article:
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Letort, Delphine. "The Femme Fatale of the 1990s Erotic Thriller" in Women Who Kill: Gender and Sexuality in Film and Series of the Post-Feminist Era. Bloomsbury, 2020.
Waites, Kathleen J.. "Killing Eve and the Necessity of the Female Villain du Jour" in Antiheroines of Contemporary Media: Saints, Sinners, and Survivors. Lexington, 2021.
Hey guys, Joey Soloway identifies as gender non-confirming and goes by they/them - I really didn't mean to deadname them in the video, it seems every clip of them I had watched was not updated. Unfortunately TH-cam doesn't have a very good infrastructure for correcting videos post-upload without damaging/obscuring the content of the video (you're only able to trim things out). Truly very sorry about that!
Please do not use the Q-word as an umbrella term for the LGBT+ community. It is to many in the community seen only as a slur and we don't consent to you using that term to describe us. You are excluding a lot of gay people who fought for your civil rights and now have post traumatic stress disorder surrounding homophobia. I am literally clinically triggered by that language. You make it impossible for me to participate as a member of the community.
while you have a right to self-identify however you please, you don't have the right to traumatize older gay people who fought for your rights by inviting straight people to use that slur to describe us. You are being incredibly selfish.
shame on you.
@@johnny196775 sorry for your trauma and thank you for the fight you fought, but your anger is misdirected here, and is a very unnecessary personal attack. If you feel triggered or unwelcome, that is unfortunate - but you are free to move on to another channel if this one upsets you. Just saying, there are plenty of actively anti-LGBT+ bad faith actors on this platform - let's turn our focus and scrutiny on them to be better people, rather than attacking our own.
@@Arkeis07 You are without compassion for those who brought you your rights. You are an appalling person.
@@johnny196775 and you're blaming the wrong people for your trauma
@@lucya9520 I am not blaming her for my original trauma. I am blaming her for now traumatizing me again!
She, has the right to self-identify as she pleases...she doesn't have the right to identify me with that slur, nor to invite straight people to use that slur.
You have no compassion for the generation that fought for your rights. You are selfish and ungrateful.
What I love about killing eve is that eve and villanelle have a lesbian/bisexual relationship that isn’t questioned in the show, loads of shows make it some “shocking twist” that one character is LGBTQ+, in killing eve no one goes against or questions their lesbian/bisexual relationship. Shows need to do this more often.
Yes!!!!!!!
Yep - looks like PWB wrote that witty show with a stylized villain empowered by her bisexuality than as to use it as a psycho-damaging character trait. So well written.
It’s almost like the people around them notice before villaneve themselves admit they’re mad for each other
yes! also you can say sapphic relationships describing 2 women together as this doesn’t exclude people who aren’t lesbian or bi :)
Now that the series have ended, I'm painfully convinced LN, to say the least, has put her bury your gays tendency on the finale. In case anyone doubts it, check her saying that finally Eve will have a normal life she wanted (in opposite contradiction with the talk Eve and Martin had).
Since apparently nobody has noticed, I’ll say it myself: DAT INTRO
RIGHT!!!!
The reason I subscribed.
😊
all this says is the enemies to lovers trope is superior
that's all i was thinking watching this video
Heat is abad film, the 48 Spider n the Fly is a far better example. Tho its much more a morals tale than sexual. MW
Or in this case Star Crossed Lovers.
I don't think they ever were enemies they they were always infatuated
only if done properly
I'm just stunned that people would say its queerbaiting when its not.. they literally have kissed, their love is text. Thst is NOT queer baiting, they just aren't in a basic romantic relationship. And in a show like this that wouldn't make sense
For real. Villanelle shows attraction to and sleeps with multiple women.
People online (present company included) grew up on a steady diet of coffee shop au destiel fluff fan fiction and that’s really informed their view of what a queer relationship looks like/ is. Something that is a haven from real life rather than a part of real life and its issues.
Another problem ive noticed in fan spaces online is that people accuse *real people* of queerbaiting. Like it’s not ariana grandes fault you have bad gaydar.
i think it’s also worth noting that there are plenty of real sapphic/gay relationships and interactions where it’s not consummated or even remotely physical, but rather that intense emotion and tension within the air that killing eve captures. of course it’s surreal and based in fiction, but i think the implicit tension and nuance in their relationship echoes the actual experiences i have had with women more closely than any other show depicting wlw being physically connected has done. as joey said, it’s far more focused on the emotional aspect and that feels far more grounded to me personally
The thing Sandra Oh said honestly sounds like series 1 Eve defensively clinging to delusions about what's really going on between her and Villanelle.
It did turn out to be queerbaiting.
*sees broey*
*sees bisexual femme fatales*
hell yeah, my two favorite things
Wouldn’t that make it three?😂
Wow i watches you too love both ur channels
Yep. This.
Villanelle is a lesbian, not bisexual!
Everyday I think of Killing Eve and how different yet similar it is to Hannibal.
I was expecting Hannibal to show up in the analysis, but instead we got Heat? That was a missed correlation.
I was thinking about it just now
@@jeffwinbush5039 I just watched Heat because of this video, expecting some homosexual subtext or tension, but there was absolutely nothing like that. I think she must have been high while watching it because I didn't see anything even remotely queer in that movie💀
@@char4980 idk about you but everything I've seen al pacino in had been a gay experience 💀
@@kd6439 i honestly can’t remember seeing of his movies but heat wasn’t gay in any way I have no idea why it was mentioned in this video😭 I was expecting something queer or AT LEAST subtext but it was your average macho film bro movie lol (I still enjoyed it a lot tho)
great video! something i also love about the show is how gender roles within Eve and Niko's marriage are flipped in the context of the cat and mouse trope. she's the one constantly putting herself in danger, keeping secrets from him, seeking excitement and exploring erotic infatuation with somebody else and he's the gentle, worriful, happy with his boring life character we would expect the wife to be.
Not only that, but he's really annoying and kinda whiney as well, which is how the wives/girlfriends are also portrayed.
Personally, I adore Niko. He shows us he most definitely CAN be violent but he chooses not to. He is smart and noticed his wife slipping from the start, but still tries to be there for her until his boundaries are fully crossed. Then he leaves forever. Does not cheat to get back at her, does not have angry outburst. He is mature and kind and I LOVE that!
"Villanelles sexuality isnt up for question. Eves morality isn't fixed. Their relationship is fluid, it's both tender and dark. At the end of the day both Villanelle and eve see each other and by extension allow us to feel seen in their complexities"
That's the most beautiful summary of this show I've heard and pretty much sums up why it's my favourite.
I refused to watch KE for so long because god it was just EVERYWHERE! but lemme tell you the hype is well deserved. Fucking Phoebe always just hits it out of the park over and over again and now im sobbing because i need a season 4
Don’t worry they just announced that they are going to start filming this year😅
Season 3 was kind of trash though...
It's too long! Can't wait anymore. I can't believe they're making us wait until next year
she only wrote for season 1 thats why every season afterward is bad
@Hope It's not about the action. The characters in Season 3 felt forced, the story much less realistic and despite all the ridiculousness, there was nothing particularly interesting plot-wise. I really don't see any new interesting dynamics between the main characters after two excellent seasons. Just my opinion though. I wish I could enjoy it more but...
It's funny how a lot of the cat and mouse narratives you mention have a bunch of queer subtext and are master works of film. While an, admittedly, goofy flick that is Point Break makes the subtext basically text. Maybe it makes film bros too uncomfortable to admit action/ cat and mouse genres are kinda gay. Great video!
unpopular take: male centered films directed by women are always more interesting than others!
Really enjoyed your analysis. Personally I felt KE missed Phoebe W-B's deft touch after S1, and the way she interweaves mundane naturalism with glamorous thriller tropes. It's still crackles, but not quite so mesmerisingly or shocked lol funny imo. Hard to retain the shock of the new I suppose.
Was interested to see that one of her KE show runner successors, Emerald Fennell, wrote and directed Promising Young Woman. An amazing film which similarly messes with tone and expectations. Best film I've seen in ages, one which really stays with you.
Promising Young Woman is amazing!
@@thatahamoment497 Fr amazing !!! The film was at best decent but come on amazing give me a break.
@@loicthiant7448 well, that's your opinion, and you sure have a right to have one.
I hope though, that you're not one of those nice guys PYW depicts 😉
yeah, KE continues to be brilliant but the *unique* brilliance of Phoebe Waller Bridge really gave season 1 an otherwordly quality, very hard to match
@@thatahamoment497 I definitely am not one those nice guys for damn sure. First , i am a french black man from the Caribeans the nice guys in that movie were mostly WASP . The display of toxic masculinity and rape culture is not that prevalent from where i am from.And frankly that's what drew my interest toward the flick in the first place because for once the POV on that topic was female centric . I don't deny the facts of sexist violence. But the movie was decent honest if u will . I am not denying his merites. But Parasites is amazing Malcom X is amazing The Tree of life is amazing , the Thin red line is amazing. Words have meaning . So anyone is entitled to his opinions, PYW is an honest decent movie. Cheers not a nice guy
This is super interesting, my dissertation was about how Killing Eve defies the gender and sexuality norms of the femme fatale and detective in film noir! Wish I’d had this video at the time!
One of my main goals in life is to write an entire essay on this show 😂
omg i wanna read this
@@lildoseofsoph9110 I’ll send it if you really do!!
@@honorclayton531 please do!! is there a link or something?
What did degree did you do it sounds super interesting?
Portrait of a Lady is great and all but its sooo damn sad. Now Park Chan-wook's The Handmaiden is super gay, subverts expectations multiple times throughout the narrative AND has a happy gay ending! Also unlike Blue is The Warmest Color the actors were given lots of respect and space while filming their sex scenes.
Portrait of a Lady on Fire is annoying to me. It's so grey, aged and sad. At least Carol had some pizzazz. I'd say my favorite lesbian/WLW film is still Bound. Entertaining without the moping.
I feel a good tv show I’m conversation with Killing Eve is Hannibal.
Although they aren’t dissimilar, Hannibal is very much from the male gaze - how Graham and Hannibal dance around conversation and guarded about their feelings (also not entirely clear whether they love each other or want to consume/dominate).
I have to disagree. The "consumption" aspect of their relationship is very much likened to romance. And it is mentioned multiple times that Hannibal is in love with Will. It is a horror romance! Different genre.
Hannibal is undoubtedly not male gaze. Will is a very feminine male hero-empathetic to a fault, beautiful and fragile, brought down by his curiosity that draws him to the dark, alluring figure of the heinous man that is obsessed with him. A gothic heroine archetype, arguably. I mean, come on, Bedelia literally calls him "Bluebeard's wife." Speaking of, the actual women in the show are never objectified, their lack of agency is purposeful and something the narrative actively comments on. They're never sexualized for a male audience either-which the kaleidoscope lesbian sex scene exemplifies perfectly (it was very carefully thought out to be erotic but never objectifying.) It's a very queer gaze, if anything.
@@onetrueloop brilliantly said!
may Christ Bless You
jeez, im so gay for jodie comer/villanelle
SAME SFGHJHGFDS
Me too 🥲
Same 😭
may Christ bless you
i love the pencil in your profile pic
i am trying to watch this like a normal human being and my brain is just shouting THE NBC HANNIBAL OF IT ALL
YES THIS IS TEXTBOOK DEFINITION OF HOMOEROTIC CAT AND MOUSE GAME
Dude same thing
There are so many general storyline btw Hannibal and killing eve
OMG I WAS LITERALLY YELLING THAT THE WHOLE TIME!!
I FOUND MY FAMILLLLLY
@@dadenigma1321 WELCOME HOME
Great video as usual! Reminder that Joey* Soloway identifies as gender non-conforming and uses they/them pronouns.
Ahh shoot! None of the lit I was reading used their correct pronouns - thanks for pointing that out!
@@BroeyDeschanel Hey, not to be that trans girl, but if it wouldn't cut into your ad revenue to edit the video adding a correction to the relevant clip would be great
@@audreyvest1619 Unfortunately it isn't so much about ad revenue as it is that TH-cam doesn't allow you to add to your videos like that - you can only trim things out. Sorry about that, it's not something I want to have in circulation, but there isn't much room for correction post-upload without damaging the video.
@@BroeyDeschanel is there anyway you could add a correction at the end of the video?
Edit:Sorry I didn't see the previous comment. Sucks that youtube as too mess with the quality of the video, if you want to make corrections to it. I understand that would be a big pain and to me doesn't seem worth it since you pinned a comment explaining the situation. I wish I could bathe in these butt hurt transphobes tears from the comment section. Maybe I can ask them to wipe my ass since there on it pretty aggressively.
@@JC-jd1us you guys are so extra omg
I am so fucking glad u posted ur channel is truly a treasure
I know season 3 has a bad rap but I love it for one reason, it allowed Villanelle to grow and change. I will admit there were many missteps in the season, I thought the "Who killed that character" storyline was lowkey dropped halfway through as Eve started to focus more on the 12, and therefore the ending of "he just fell" really didn't land or have an emotional punch. However, I definitely think the season explored Villanelle so much more and for that, I really appreciate it. Just compare the last few minutes of season 2 versus season 3, she went from being incredibly possessive of Eve to willing to leave Eve for good if that was what she wanted. Idk I do miss the feel of season 1 of the show but I know that was because Pheobe no longer was with the show
:)
Season 3 was great for Villanelle character development, but Eve was totally pushed to the fringe. By the time of "End of Game" she received less screentime than Carolyn and barely more than Konstantin. That should never happen to the co-lead and titular character.
@@jeffwinbush5039 I agree with that, they really focused on Villanelle and it hurt Eve as a character so much!
@@abaddonnnnn Eve being a relegated to a supporting character in her own show was the number 1 reason most fans trash the 3rd season. Another one would be that for Oksana Villanelle's emotional growth to happen, the strength of her psychopathy and her joy of the job were sacrificed which left some fans with mixed feelings. Me included because I felt the sacrifice was unnecessary.
They could've had her grow without all the other unnecessary shit tho. And the fact that eve villianelle never officially talk about villianelle shooting her and eve not bring affected by it at all really ticked me off tbh. I wanted them to actually be together in screen and yet we hardly got that. They pushed eve away and villianelle could've even had eve on the phone for most of her journey so the story didn't feel so disjointed. Its insane.
sometimes I feel like people learned the term queerbaiting in 2015 and think applying it to everything counts as some form of analysis
Ikr
So good! A couple of points..... 1) I always read Violet more as a femme lesbian, and that she was simply in survival mode and performing heterosexuality. 2) that moment with James Bond when Javier Bardem's character suggests that Bond should try sex with men, and Bond implies that he already had is a moment that I whooped out loud with joy.
thats what i understood from the scene in the video too
Layover to the gay town is where I spend most of my days 😀
The Femme Fatale has a heroic counterpart, the Heroic Seductress. Famous examples include Biblical Heroines like Judith and Jael, both women used their beauty and charms to lull a male enemy of their people and faith into a false sense of security, only to end up beheaded or stabbed in the forehead (possibly a metaphor for 'losing their heads' to these noble women).
Tamar is another Biblical figure who dons herself as a sex worker in order to impregnate herself by her father-in-law when he unjustly blamed her for the death of his sons (who were really wicked men punished by God but the father is in self-denial about his sons' vile reputation). Tamar is considered the righteous ancestress of King David.
Shamhat, the temple priestess from the Epic of Gilgamesh, is an older example, as she seduces the wild man Enkidu and teaches him about civilization. Enkidu was originally sent to kill Gilgamesh, but Shamhat tames and civilizes him with her sexuality.
I mean, wouldn't both archetypes apply to the exact same character, just viewed through the lense of different sides? I'd say Salome and Delilah are good examples, are they're both heroic seductress just as much as they're femme fatales.
@@BreezusSneezus tv tropes offers a better explanation for that.
I don't actually know the story but what you said above sounds like Tamar sexually assaulted her father in law
@@BreezusSneezus The difference is the goals; the Femme Fatale seeks to destroy or corrupt, the Heroic Seductress seeks to rescue and save.
@@sammyvictors2603 but my point is that the way we view motive 100% depends on perspective. Salome and Delilah were both seeking to rescue and save, they only appear to seek destruction and corruption when viewed from a Christian lens.
To be fair I clock Villanelle as a lesbian simply because she doesn’t feel anything for the men she has been with and doesn’t show actual interest in any men apart from season one where she just uses two guys for sex. In every other shot she is caught admiring a woman-and never a man. Eve is def Bi but in denial still lol but yeah that’s my take
there are bi/pansexual women though who only feel romantic attraction to women, but sexual attraction for both. idk there are just so many different ways to be bi/pansexual, i feel like her being lesbian bc she didnt feel anything for the men she had sex with/is more often admiring women doesnt necessarily have to be the case.
That's what I was thinking! To me the fact that she shows such a clear preference for women delegitimizes the whole "using bisexuality to indicate psychopathy" argument. I've watched the first two seasons twice and I honestly forgot that she had ever been shown sleeping with men
But that's soo politically incorrect when men do it lmao. talk about double standards
@@granolaman4410 Dude literally nobody is talking to you and nobody wants you here Mr Granolaman
@@laylette4017 well, firstly given that it's my first comment how would I be in conversation with anyone. Secondly, you could say that for most commenters. And thirdly, if you can't answer or converse on this point maybe that says something
Absolutely fascinated. Killing Eve has been my favourite show for ages, but I’ve never looked so deeply into it before. Thank you so much for this!
This video is so good... And the differences between gay coded villain and bisexual villains/femme fatales/antiheroes is a really interesting concept I haven’t thought about before, so thanks for pointing that out.
More I think about it, some of the best Michael Mann's films are gay AF. He's one of my favourite filmmakers, notoriously bad at his depiction of female characters and male/female romance, but boy, his male/male dynamics are top tier stuff. Fascination, chemistry, understanding despite of fundamental differences. Man(n)ly AF, but emotional as 2 Fs. Great essay BTW, as usual!
Most have missed those in thief
@@kostajovanovic3711 Thief and Manhunter was a bit less in-your-face about it, but Heat, Insider, Collateral! Public Enemies was going for it too, but there was very little chemistry and on-screen interaction between Dillinger and Purvis. I was very disappointed with that film, so much going for it, so little delivered!
There's really nothing gay about Michael Mann films. If anything, they're notoriously bereft of sex and uninterested in romance (e.g. the affair between Neil and Eady in *Heat* has all the passion and intensity of a wet sponge). Like you mentioned he's invested in male/male dynamics but they are rooted in classical concerns: loyalty, honor, brotherhood, competition, what constitutes being a "man", the importance of virtue. I think *Point Break* has a more obvious blurring of the lines between masculine friendship and something more.
There's a danger in retroactively reading postmodern themes into older works. Among them is the notion men are incapable of intimate relationships that are not innately sexual or subtextually sexual, leading to the conclusion older M/M relationships were just gay ones in disguise. Frankly this is a WEIRD notion - in the sociological acronym sense - that surfaced in the advent of the sexual revolution. Eastern literature has no qualms in depicting these sorts of relationships, which often took precedence over M/F romances.
@@chodori2041 well, the characters don't need to go down on each other, and the film can still send some strong homoerotic vibes. I'm not implying, that Mann's been secretly writing gay romance for all these years. Maybe he has, that's not my point. It is just that his very manly characters quiet often end up finding someone really special in the most unexpected place, and that special one happens to be of the same gender. Their both burned out, unsatisfied with their lives, and then they have this "where have you been all my life?" moment. Aromantic, yes, but still, and also it is usually their first "date" ;) With all honesty, if the real world women were as bland as in Mann's films, I wouldn't even bother talking to them.
I don't know a lot about the history of Asian literature and cinema, but some modern creations and interpretations of existing works make it look not as straight as some would prefer it to. Without applying full blown quiet theory.
@@adamradon8202 please don't take offense to this but I feel like you people just don't get how humans work or interact
Humans have deep friendships and feelings for each other regardless or gender or sexual orientation, I would die for my brothers, close friends(male and female) and for my long term girlfriend, and I'm physically only interacted to one of these people
You demote those friendships and even male bonding, falling into rather sexist stereotypes regarding male friendships
Oh man, would have loved an update or a revisit after season 4.
i feel so intellectual watching your videos omg
Wait, why do I feel you're my friend Emilia?
@@araze5194 well my name is Emilia
@@emi-ts1ko are you from the highschool 25?
@@araze5194 you got confused
Facts! I feel like I’m watching super niche Ted Talks ❤️
Killing eve is such a smart and subversive show that balance both main characters so well. Except for season 3 where Eve is pushed to be secondary
Season 3 was Villanelle centric wasn't it? Though lack of Eve isn't the only reason why people trash it.
@@Senate300 There are several more issues. Like how one plot point is resolved making the entire journey of 2 of the characters useless and how disconnected both Villanelle and Eve plot points are to each other only until the end.
@@unityreviewandanalysis9870 No doubt. Also the events of Rome were barely ever addressed again robbing Eve's anger at Villanelle & Carolyn of any real emotional pay off. Plus the strength of Villanelle's psychopathy & her joy of the job were unnecessarily sacrificed in favour of her emotional growth. How they dealt the who killed Kenny storyline was nothing short of pathetic.
@@unityreviewandanalysis9870 yeah there was so much I skipped in that and the fact that there wasn't more of a conversation between villianelle and eve about her shooting her really also disappointed me. She would've been right to do that, and yet we only get the fight in the bus. That didn't do shit. The girl almost killed her with full intent and she isn't afraid of villianelle or guns, or anything really. It would've been really cool to see how villianelle reacted to how upset and scared she was now. Instead of reveling in her pain, she feels sorry for what she did and tries her best to fix it. And in season 4, idfk
Absolute brilliance. This cleansed my soul. BUT THE ABSOLUTE SHADE ON S3 AT THE END. i love it.
'Fun' fact: Salomé was 12 years old. 🙄 The bible is a seriously effed up book.
@IntrepidFinch
I don't think 'repulsed' is the right word. I actually feel sorry for Salomé on account of her stolen childhood and posthumous vilification. Sad really.
The view of Biblical metaphors by la teología de la liberación is fresh air in the middle of so much conservative shit
@IntrepidFinch
I remember it very well, her mother put her up to it. Plus, if a grown man is attracted to a 12-year old he needs to get his head checked asap. Of course, the bible is totally cool with pederasty, not to mention slavery and genocide. It really is a horrible book.
@IntrepidFinch
Herod and Salomé's mother's actions are repulsive, Salomé was just a child who was used and pushed around yet everyone only ever talks about her and about how horrible she was. That's the obvious point I'm trying to make here, but as you seem dead set on ignoring that I'm going to ignore *you* now. Buhbye.
The Bible is just a bunch of depraved fairytales, nothing more.
I spent this whole video waiting for you to reference Hannibal. I feel like it's a series that would help continue the conversation on this topic
absolutely thrilled that one of the major takeaways from this video is 'heat is gay', because -- correct.
how tho😭I just watched Heat because of this video expecting some homosexual subtext or tension but there was absolutely nothing like that??
@@char4980 perhaps it's about recognizing the one singular person who understands, who truly sees you. It's a movie about very lonely people, and the most electric and significant moments of human connection is between Pacino and Deniro, I think. In the end, they make their lives about each other. It's not about kissing, it's about being seen and feeling less alone. Mutual obsession and mutual respect. "I want to catch you/outsmart you", but also "I just need/want you". Kinda gay. At least that's what I think.
I enjoy your analysis so much. I haven't seen Killing Eve, but after this video, I'm considering giving it a go on Netflix.
it’s not on netflix unfortunately
It is on hulu
I watched on Paramount +, but guess depending where you live...
I watched it on HBO, so you gotta look around, but it's worth it, you're gonna have a good time!
The music and Villanelle’s fashion alone is a treat
I just want to say I am beyond happy to have discovered and subscribed to this channel. You're one of the most well spoken and coherent video essayists I've known. Keep it up!
incredible also i need like 18 more video essays on killing eve 😌🤲🏽💖
"Except for season 3" lmao AMEN!
I got halfway through it (sort of) -what changed?
Why? what happens? is it bad? I got really interested in the show by Broey's description x__x
@@laurapalmerwalkswithme literally nothing of note happens in S3 that's why it was awful.
@@ayomade7496 oh, I see... Thanks!
@@laurapalmerwalkswithme To me season 3 was more a cliffhanger, some kind of "extension of the plot" and individual development of the characters, which is why there wasn't as much room for chemistry between eve and villanelle. After a re-watch I find it good, but not as good as the previous seasons, mainly because of this split of the plot
I've only watched the first 34 seconds but let me tell you there's no way I'm not watching the whole thing after that amazing intro
One of the best character introductions of all time imo
Season 1 of killing eve was so damn good. It’s gone downhill considerably since then and I really hope they can create season 4 with the same magic that season 1 had. It was so brilliant and it’s such a shame season 3 happened lol and why are they talking about spin offs?! Does anybody else not care at all, eve and villanelle are the show :( spin offs won’t work because their relationship is the show
Yeah, it really really shows that Phoebe Waller-Bridge did not write season 3. Hope season 4 gets back on track.
How are y'all feeling now?
@@totspalatot7311 heartbroken
@@tawnys6172 didn't age so well 😬
I now need to know your thoughts on season 3.
missed the opportunity to call this 'queering eve' :")
Did he straight up do an orientalism to.... _the Bible?_ lmao
We are no longer dealing with basic orientalism here people, this is some *advanced* orientalism.
may Christ bless you
wait who what? what did i miss 💀
Could you please do a analysis on the character Mabel Pines from Gravity Falls. Really curious on your opinions of how the fandom thinks of her and what that represents, and also how original she was a a highly feminine female but also chaotic and one of the main comedic characters in the series.
Psychopathy is not about not having feelings, nor is it a mental illness on itself, it is a set of behavioral traits, that can have multiple causes. Psychopathy is about being unable to empathise with other people's feelings and moralities. I would argue that Villianelle does display both narcicistic and psychopathic behaviors. She is, at the very least, a sociopath.
man that Kathleen Waites quote was beautiful. I feel so starved for female characters that aren't refractions of the male leads.
The quality of your videos just gets better every time, great job!
Another great video! Now to watch "Bound" with the gals!
I loved Petra in Jane The Virgin. I loved how her unexpectedly falling in love with a woman was tied to her gradually learning to live a more honest life.
I love how you come out with this video when I'm writing a critical media analysis paper talking about queer-coded femme fatales for my portfolio. Thanks for the great sources, and further reading!
Watching this after season 4 hurts really bad. Excellent video thank you :')
Wonderful intro! Love seeing video creators experiment with the format!
Thank you for this video! This is a really thorough point of view on this great series. I am a big fan of what Waller-Bridge is trying to do. I did not find that the third season was a step down though, I thought this was a good thing to go into more introspective character development at this point in time. Perhaps it is a little too self-explanatory in its intentions and it does bring the romance explicitly in the forefront but I did find it quite moving in some moments which is not something I can say for the first two seasons.
I feel the same way too! I feel like letting them explore themselves turns their relationship from an obsession to a more emotionally connected one.
The ending with the music coming in is so good!!💗
i love your videos so much, they really feel like movies themselves
Clarification here. Tripplehorn's character is revealed to have been a college lover of Stone's in Basic Instinct.
Very timely that this video dropped right after I finished season 3 and was mourning not having anymore episodes to watch. Which perfectly fulfills my need to overanalyze the media I just consumed. I need more homoerotic feminine gaze comedic spy thrillers in my life.
THE INTRO WAS PHENOMENAL!!🤩🤩♥️♥️
"except for season three" SAY THAT AGAIN!!!
So unsatisfactory
I didn’t even watch it.... but the end of season 2 left me with no desire to continue. The arc felt complete. Out of curiosity what was so bad about 3? This is a serious question, no ones given me a straight answer
@@k80_ im my opinion, the worst thing is that they made eve a secondary character instead of a second lead. the story feels empty because of it
@@k80_ this show is pretty much my life but this is why S3 didn't have the same kick as the first 2 seasons:
1. They focussed more on establishing characters associated with The 12 than anything else
2. Eve was not given nearly as much screentime or character development, especially compared to V
3. They barely interacted and their interaction is the main reason people are drawn to the show
3.
@@k80_ really the only thing fans agrees on that was great about it was that they kissed
I haven’t been able to watch the final season. Mostly because I don’t want such an amazing show to end. But also because I’m nervous about the way Killing Eve will end- especially after season 3.
Hello, if you still have yet to watch season 4 I would suggest that you don't.... It's..... It's really very not good
Don’t watch season 4 PLEASE
@@tsuumee4545 Ugh. I guess the writers weren’t into subverting expectations any more. What a disappointing, cliche end to what was a fantastic show. I’m so fucking devastated. Not only did they revert to the tired BYG trope but Laura Neal’s explanation made no sense to anyone who has watched seasons 1-3. They WERE queerbaiting the entire fucking time.
Watching your work this past year has been really great, it really helped inspire me to take up writing again.
I've been working on an essay on Heat, it's one of my favorites, and it was so cool to see you work it into this piece.
"Except for season 3" LMFAOOOOOO YES, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ME
I was just googling Killing Eve quotes when I saw this in my subscription box. Nice work!
That intro is *so good* never change Broey
Joey Soloway has been one of my favorite content creators since Six Feet Under. Also, I love how google auto-corrected their name when I unknowingly wasn't aware of the transition.
Great vid, by the way!
killing eve is everything I wanted for hannibal, ahead of it's time that series
hannibal fully delivered tough, it just got cancelled
Each video just gets better and better! So happy to have found you ❤️
sheesh wasn't expecting a new video for at least another week, what a pleasant surprise
I personally do not see Villanelle as bisexual but rather as a Lesbian but all these takes not only on Killing Eve but on other films you discussed were very interesting and new for me to learn, will be checking these movies out thank you :)
This is the content I've been DYING for. Love this and thanks for all the work you put in! This was a dope video
Thank you! This was great, I had been looking for a great video essay on Killing Eve
The break downs that you do are so much fun! I only just discovered your channel and I adore it!!
LOL THE LAST LINE. yeah i watched s03e01 and didn't bother with the rest. my feelings were NOT prioritized and it was decisively not feminine
The most overt homoerotic cat-and-mouse game also happens to be one of the most popular and iconic in pop culture: Batman and The Joker. I felt this most acutely in _The Dark Knight_ Maybe it was because they cast Christian Bale and Heath Ledger -- two handsome leading men -- that I really got it. Yet, that sexual subtext is barely played up. Few of the comics make a passing reference to The Joker as bisexual. Even fewer suggest that the two may have had a tryst. The closest has been _The Lego Batman Movie_ where The Joker was heartbroken that Batman just wouldn't admit they love and need one another.
So this leads me to my frustration with the Harley Quinn/Poison Ivy love story arc on _Harley Quinn_ the series. It comes from out of nowhere, and there's this HUUUUGE missed opportunity to play out a real romance between the Batman and The Joker. I have suspicions as to why. Mainly, that a largely male writers room and male fanbase cannot handle male homosexuality, so they project it onto women. Even women who, up until now, have been portrayed as heterosexual.
But at the same time, I don't want to take away that joy of seeing bi-sexual characters play out in their favorite art that I'm sure many bi-sexual women feel.
This is such a great analysis! Also Bound really is one of the best films ever made huh.
I’d love to hear your views on Cowboy Bebop! It might just be me, but every-time I revisit it, I gain a new appreciation for it, the Beta Tape episode hits harder with the passage of time.
omg will you please do a video on season 3?? i know something went wrong but i need your intellect to put it into words 🙏🙏
For me VIllanelle is more a lesbian than a bisexual woman.
Her few encounters with men has been quite meaningless and most of the times because she was arouse by watching a female (middle age woman) walks by.
The only time we see V with a guy was in that first episode scene where Konstantin find her with a girl and a man in bed, that's it, we even don't have a context.
That's my opinion, of course.
Agreed, we’re actually in the majority of opinion on this. If any woman who had sex with a man to try and feel normal was considered bisexual, there wouldn’t be many lesbians left. Many of us have gone through decades of lasting trauma and forced attractions to men for comphet reasons. “She slept with a man” is not a reason to give her the bisexual label.
@@smokerscough2907 1000% agree with this.
OK. so. I'm alone in this I think. but I was a young teen or pre-teen when I saw Taxi Driver for the first time and I just thought Robert DeNiro was so fricking hot. I love the movie but I think he looks so goddamn good to this day in that film (pre-Nazi look of course) I can watch it just for him alone, and I think up to the late 90s that man was a knockout. I had no idea Heated was homoerotic but I totally felt the heat in that dialogue, purrrrr.
I'll always throw it back for a broey video
i loved everything about this. i applaud you. you put so much effort in this and it shows
Your content is fantastic, your intro was stunning, brava!
Your open confusion at Catherine Tramell *also* being a best-selling author might be the funniest thing in this entire video. Basic Instinct was a weird movie. But this was a magnificent rundown of Killing Eve, and I thank you for it!
i think hannibal (the tv show) couldve nicely added onto discussion :)
Spent the first 5 minutes trying to work out if Bisexual femme fatales were supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing (not a trope I was particularly familiar with, and not knowledgeable about the history).
At the end of the day, it's just another tool in a filmmakers arsenal that can be used to tell any number of stories, good or bad
what an amazing analyisis, you made me love this show even more
I love that in Killing Eve you come across quite a lot of LGBTQ people and they never make a big deal out of it, it’s just ‘oh yeah my husband this and my wife that’ and nobody bats an eye (only Eve once)
why did I just find your channel??? Amazing work! Subbed
Oh, wait you cant just drop that bomb at the end! give us a vid on season 3 someday TT-TT
Also lovely video!
so excited to see this thumbnail then saw it was only uploaded 10 minutes ago??? gay destiny
Just found out about the channel, your take on these themes are awesome! Thanks for the content
Thank you for this analysis. It was very insightful and kinda expanded (I'm not sure that it's good word to use here?) my perception of the show. So... here's a flower for you 🌻
Love this video so much! Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I loved the first two seasons of Killing Eve soooooo much and watched them repeatedly. I was just captivated by the two female leads and by their complex relationship and forever bizarre interactions. I haven't watched the third season yet. Is it bad? Is it VERY bad? Oh no.
Great and interesting video! It was both intriguing and fun and educational to follow your walk through the history of bisexuality in films and tv on this type/genre etc. And how Killing Eve subverts the spy thriller.
Thank you for taking the time to set this up and do research^^
I too am very impressed of Killing Eve and how it al it put together and showed :)
i can already tell this is gonna slap
This is the best killing eve analysis I could hope for. Thank you.
Rewatching after the series finale 💀. Best show hai
Haven't seen Heat but out of context that scene makes it seem like they're going to make out after that dinner.
that says more about you the movie, like you've never had a meaningful friendship in your life
@@gregorjack9008 why are you this pressed about an offhanded comment about a 26 year old thriller ?
I very much love for your videos. So well spoken, insightful, and tasteful!!