It's not wanting to cut up as good because on your upstroke the blade isn't fully plunged through the other side so the chips are not getting ejected properly and in turn they are binding up the blade or is on the downstroke the blades all the way out the other side promoting proper chip ejection
If I had to guess I'd say that saw was only designed with the high output 12.0 battery in mind so the saw cuts out before the 12.0 forge cells are at their full output. Great comparison of the two though, you were able to do the longer torture test with less heat on the forge. So hopefully that means it would have a longer lifespan in real use as well.
awesome video! Can always rely on your channel to get the hard evidence. It'll be interesting to see if the results differ or not with the dual battery chainsaw. Both when comparing the high outputs vs forge and the dual battery vs the ego commercial saw. Looking forward to that!
I have a 500cfm leaf blower and have the stupid basic xc 5.0 batteries that run up in 3-5 minutes. I only use my leaf blower to dry my cars in my drive way when I wash our vehicles. Would a HO battery be enough or do you think a forge is best?
I run h.o. 6.0s in that blower and get 10 minutes of run time, full power until the last minute or so. The 8.0s give me 12.5 minutes but power starts to taper off sooner. I would pick the 6.0s for that blower.
@ Too late. Thanks though. Bought on Black Friday a 2 pack of 8.0 ah HO Milwaukee batteries for $199. I didn’t know the 6.0ah HO batteries were similarly compared with this blower based on your experience.
Looking for 12.0 forge for our Milwaukee chainsaw. We sell Christmas trees. Wondering if forge puts out more power than reg. 12 high output that we run now. Shortened bars for more speed. Dont' see much on youtube about this
try it . put a shorter bar on one saw .what do you have to loose .in some parts of world where trees are generally hardwood they shorten the bars on saws . Seems like a general practice .
I collect a lot of it into boxes and bags to dry and then burn. The chips are big enough not to be a problem. When I get time I'm thinking of trying to use my hydraulic press to make sawdust logs.
@@reusefull I have the 12 inch one and going to get the new 8 AMP FORGE BATTERY and already have the 6 and 12 and will see what battery is faster when I get my chain Sharp again I'm hoping they sell the DUEL BATTERY Bare tool for $600 next year but KNOWING MILWAUKEE they will sell it for $750
@shannonholmes2494 I did a couple sessions. I did one with an hour break or so in between, and I did one back to back. It didn't seem to make much difference, the battery was the weak point, not the saw motor. I have had other saws where the motor heats up, but the Milwaukee seems to manage the motor heat pretty well by having a lower chain speed and more torque than a lot of other saws. Sorry... I also did a few cuts the next day starting with the Forge first and it still seemed to stall easier than the HO battery if that's what you're asking about.
The best to give a fair comparison test it is by using different new blade with each saw as the blade is losing sharpness specially on the continous cuts on the runtime test
@reusefull The saw itself was overheated. The chain isn't the issue as the giy above stated. It's the heat in the saw. Letting it cool would've given a true comparison in cut speed. ..but yes, you were working the saw to max capacity with that size log.
VERY surprising results, indeed! Can't wait for someone to identify the cells and calculate the rated output so we can see how it compares to the previous gen batteries. Milwaukee claims that the Forge batteries are capable of more power output (and for longer stretches with less overheating) than the High Output batteries, and that several new versions of their tools were specifically being designed to be able to use this extra power while stepping down to the lower power output of the non-Forge batteries so as to still have backwards compatibility without overheating. I'd attribute it to just marketing hype that didn't deliver, but various tool reviewers even showed their previous-gen circular saws, drills, and drivers all performing better with the Forge batteries. You're the first person that I've seen test the 16" chainsaw with them, though. I could understand if the performance was the same, but I can't understand why it would be worse. BAFFLING
@JamesCusano I ran the tests again with the 16" and had similar results. I was thinking about it, and it feels like the saw actually runs a little stronger with the Forge, but it stalls, which it doesn't do with the HO battery. Maybe it's because the Forge has a bms in the battery like you mentioned, and when the current draw becomes too much, it kicks off to protect the battery. If I tried to ride the line between the higher output and the stall point, I think I might be able to get a better cut time with the Forge battery, but it would make it a pita to get that better cut time.
@@reusefull Interesting observation. Maybe there's protection on the circuit in the saw to cut out at just slightly higher current than what the HO can put out, and when you use a Forge it more easily crosses that line. They probably didn't see a need at design time to use wires or components that could handle any more than what the strongest battery at the time could do.
@bigsouthboy21 I'm actually not 100% sure. Something that was getting decommissioned in a substation I'm sure. Maybe we were replacing the old porcelain enamel with plastic... but I grab any of that old stuff when I see it headed for the dumpster.
Milwaukee claims to be made for the professional, but yet they install temperature cut off for the motor when it gets a lil bit hit making to hard to use the tool how it is supposed to be used
This is why I will stick with my Stihl and Husqvarna two strokes. If you use them for fire wood your gonna freeze. Weed eaters blowers chain saws with battery power are useless as tits on a bore hog.
@harlanborders943 I do my firewood with a Greenworks 82CS34... have been for years. Once everything uses the same battery and you have a bunch (zero turn does too), battery life isn't a problem. I'm never more than a few hundred yards from the barn and I never run out of juice with the charger.
Tell that to the 60ft cherry tree that me and two friends of mine processed in two hours; all with battery operated saws and pruners! That's cut down, bucked up, including branches, loaded and dumped twice!
This isn’t meant to replace gas saws, it’s meant to work with gas saws. Cleaning up some brush or cutting down a small/medium tree? I grab my Milwaukee. Cutting down a big tree or cutting up big trunks? I grab my Stihl 661 or new 500i. Battery string trimmers work good as long as you’re cutting grass and not thick weeds. I agree with you on blowers. They simply don’t move enough air and rip through batteries. But don’t count these battery saws out. WAY quieter and no pulling the pull cord 1,000 times.
Is it me or do I find it not fair comparison because everyone always start with the high output and then forge after! I believe there should be 2 same separate exactly same tool with the 2 different battery. The tools already being hot or over worked before testing the forged after. I’m not saying the high output is worst but to have a great and accurate test! Someone that knows more can correct me, that it doesn’t matter
@littlej3777 I'm not saying you're not correct, I just don't have 2 identical saws. I can't remember if I did it for this test or not, but often times I wait an hour or two before making the second set of cuts for that reason.
It's not wanting to cut up as good because on your upstroke the blade isn't fully plunged through the other side so the chips are not getting ejected properly and in turn they are binding up the blade or is on the downstroke the blades all the way out the other side promoting proper chip ejection
If I had to guess I'd say that saw was only designed with the high output 12.0 battery in mind so the saw cuts out before the 12.0 forge cells are at their full output. Great comparison of the two though, you were able to do the longer torture test with less heat on the forge. So hopefully that means it would have a longer lifespan in real use as well.
Milwaukee is Chinese owned garbage
awesome video! Can always rely on your channel to get the hard evidence. It'll be interesting to see if the results differ or not with the dual battery chainsaw. Both when comparing the high outputs vs forge and the dual battery vs the ego commercial saw. Looking forward to that!
@@CA34562 Thank you! I'm looking forward to testing that for sure!
I have a 500cfm leaf blower and have the stupid basic xc 5.0 batteries that run up in 3-5 minutes. I only use my leaf blower to dry my cars in my drive way when I wash our vehicles. Would a HO battery be enough or do you think a forge is best?
I run h.o. 6.0s in that blower and get 10 minutes of run time, full power until the last minute or so. The 8.0s give me 12.5 minutes but power starts to taper off sooner. I would pick the 6.0s for that blower.
@ Too late. Thanks though. Bought on Black Friday a 2 pack of 8.0 ah HO Milwaukee batteries for $199. I didn’t know the 6.0ah HO batteries were similarly compared with this blower based on your experience.
@@Gyppor8ah or 12ah are better than 6ah for the blower…
I'm gonna hold off for the soon to be released Thor Ultra Magnum Destroyer 8000 version.
Informative video, thanks.
I have 2 M18 HO batteries that I use mostly with the Milwaukee brush cutter. They last a very long time.
@jean-marcbriane7283 If I wasn't beating it up, they would last longer... but I overheated them. Torture tested on purpose though.
Looking for 12.0 forge for our Milwaukee chainsaw. We sell Christmas trees. Wondering if forge puts out more power than reg. 12 high output that we run now. Shortened bars for more speed. Dont' see much on youtube about this
@@Michealreacts52 It didn't seem to give the saw any more power, but it ran cooler and longer under stress.
try it . put a shorter bar on one saw .what do you have to loose .in some parts of world where trees are generally hardwood they shorten the bars on saws . Seems like a general practice .
what do you do with all the sawdust
I collect a lot of it into boxes and bags to dry and then burn. The chips are big enough not to be a problem. When I get time I'm thinking of trying to use my hydraulic press to make sawdust logs.
I Just WONDER if the TOP HANDLE CHAINSAW Will DETECT the FORGE BATTERIES Over the Regular battery
@@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY good question. I'll see if I can get ahold of a top handle.
@@reusefull I have the 12 inch one and going to get the new 8 AMP FORGE BATTERY and already have the 6 and 12 and will see what battery is faster when I get my chain Sharp again I'm hoping they sell the DUEL BATTERY Bare tool for $600 next year but KNOWING MILWAUKEE they will sell it for $750
Thank you finaly some real endurance test, 2981-20 grinder could be a good tool for testing, cutting 1 inch steel bar can be interessing
I love that grinder... it's an animal. It would be good to see if it's even better with a forge battery... thanks for the idea.
How many cuts did you do with the saw before you used the Forge.
@shannonholmes2494 I did a couple sessions. I did one with an hour break or so in between, and I did one back to back. It didn't seem to make much difference, the battery was the weak point, not the saw motor. I have had other saws where the motor heats up, but the Milwaukee seems to manage the motor heat pretty well by having a lower chain speed and more torque than a lot of other saws. Sorry... I also did a few cuts the next day starting with the Forge first and it still seemed to stall easier than the HO battery if that's what you're asking about.
WOW! I just watched this video again. I didn't realize the overall importance of this test the first time I watched it. Very revealing. Thank you!
The best to give a fair comparison test it is by using different new blade with each saw as the blade is losing sharpness specially on the continous cuts on the runtime test
Good point👍
@reusefull
The saw itself was overheated. The chain isn't the issue as the giy above stated. It's the heat in the saw. Letting it cool would've given a true comparison in cut speed.
..but yes, you were working the saw to max capacity with that size log.
forge battery is tabless cells supposed to deliver more power straight and less heat so interesting real world test
it is more like multi tabs than tabless
@@TranTek😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😅
VERY surprising results, indeed! Can't wait for someone to identify the cells and calculate the rated output so we can see how it compares to the previous gen batteries. Milwaukee claims that the Forge batteries are capable of more power output (and for longer stretches with less overheating) than the High Output batteries, and that several new versions of their tools were specifically being designed to be able to use this extra power while stepping down to the lower power output of the non-Forge batteries so as to still have backwards compatibility without overheating. I'd attribute it to just marketing hype that didn't deliver, but various tool reviewers even showed their previous-gen circular saws, drills, and drivers all performing better with the Forge batteries. You're the first person that I've seen test the 16" chainsaw with them, though. I could understand if the performance was the same, but I can't understand why it would be worse. BAFFLING
@JamesCusano I ran the tests again with the 16" and had similar results. I was thinking about it, and it feels like the saw actually runs a little stronger with the Forge, but it stalls, which it doesn't do with the HO battery. Maybe it's because the Forge has a bms in the battery like you mentioned, and when the current draw becomes too much, it kicks off to protect the battery. If I tried to ride the line between the higher output and the stall point, I think I might be able to get a better cut time with the Forge battery, but it would make it a pita to get that better cut time.
@@reusefull Interesting observation. Maybe there's protection on the circuit in the saw to cut out at just slightly higher current than what the HO can put out, and when you use a Forge it more easily crosses that line. They probably didn't see a need at design time to use wires or components that could handle any more than what the strongest battery at the time could do.
Old phase numbers and Waukesha shirt, sub tech?
@bigsouthboy21 I'm actually not 100% sure. Something that was getting decommissioned in a substation I'm sure. Maybe we were replacing the old porcelain enamel with plastic... but I grab any of that old stuff when I see it headed for the dumpster.
@@bigsouthboy21 They call it "system electrician" or "substation operations" here.
Sounds like no oil to the chain
Sounds like no oil on the bar? What does that sound like?
I don't remember you having anywhere near this much difficulty with Greenworks or EGO saws.
@John-cj3ve not the 20" of course! But the Greenworks 16" struggled with it. 16" of wet oak with a 16 inch chainsaw😂
Milwaukee claims to be made for the professional, but yet they install temperature cut off for the motor when it gets a lil bit hit making to hard to use the tool how it is supposed to be used
why the saw have a new motor?
@shanepipkin4041 The original one failed under warranty and was replaced.
Your tool/saw was hot b y the time you tried the forge, hot tool = less capable
Is the Forge battery made with pouch cells?
@@John-cj3ve Yes, that's why it's supposed to run cooler w more power.
@reusefull ...but your test showed differently. the forge ran cooler, but had less power.
@John-cj3ve I know... I was surprised and confused by that. Maybe the Forge has a BMS in the battery unlike most M18 batteries???
Only the 6.0 Forge uses pouch cells. The 8.0 and 12.0 use a new cylindrical cell type called tabless cells.
@@reaperreaper5098 thank you for the correction!
The only reason the forge runs cooler it has way more venting
They say that the way the cells are connected has less internal resistance which also allows it to run cooler.
@reusefull They are the same
The high output did better
i have the husqvarna 36v saw
You should have checked the saw temperature. I've had issues with motor temperature and the motor will stall when hot. It may not be the battery.
Exactly what im thinking. The saw is definitely stalling because it’s getting hot.
This is not a test. This is just fun 😂 how not to.
Not much weight and size difference. While The forge 6.0 is noticeably lighter and smaller than the HO 6.0
Thats because the 6.0 forge uses pouch type cells while the 12.0 forge uses conventionally shaped cylindrical cells.
Clean your saw it’s all clogged.
Testing with brand new battery is an issue! The Li-ion batterys work on full capacity after the first 3-4 full charege and full deplate.
@@zsolttoth8914 Thanks for the info. Maybe I'll revisit this test.
Weak saw I think they should of both done better
This is why I will stick with my Stihl and Husqvarna two strokes. If you use them for fire wood your gonna freeze. Weed eaters blowers chain saws with battery power are useless as tits on a bore hog.
@harlanborders943 I do my firewood with a Greenworks 82CS34... have been for years. Once everything uses the same battery and you have a bunch (zero turn does too), battery life isn't a problem. I'm never more than a few hundred yards from the barn and I never run out of juice with the charger.
Tell that to the 60ft cherry tree that me and two friends of mine processed in two hours; all with battery operated saws and pruners!
That's cut down, bucked up, including branches, loaded and dumped twice!
This isn’t meant to replace gas saws, it’s meant to work with gas saws. Cleaning up some brush or cutting down a small/medium tree? I grab my Milwaukee. Cutting down a big tree or cutting up big trunks? I grab my Stihl 661 or new 500i. Battery string trimmers work good as long as you’re cutting grass and not thick weeds. I agree with you on blowers. They simply don’t move enough air and rip through batteries. But don’t count these battery saws out. WAY quieter and no pulling the pull cord 1,000 times.
Is it me or do I find it not fair comparison because everyone always start with the high output and then forge after! I believe there should be 2 same separate exactly same tool with the 2 different battery. The tools already being hot or over worked before testing the forged after. I’m not saying the high output is worst but to have a great and accurate test! Someone that knows more can correct me, that it doesn’t matter
@littlej3777 I'm not saying you're not correct, I just don't have 2 identical saws. I can't remember if I did it for this test or not, but often times I wait an hour or two before making the second set of cuts for that reason.