Kohberger's Defense Accuse FBI of Witness Tampering
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- It's one of the biggest crime cases across the nation, Bryan Kohberger accused of fatally stabbing four University of Idaho students. New information details Kohberger's lawyers now accusing the FBI of interfering with a genetic expert witness in the trial by allegedly interrogating her at home. #CourtTV investigates these claims and the state of the Idaho Students Murder Case and Trial.
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When the judge, doesn’t allow cameras in the court, you know the defense is about to get screwed over !!!!!
Vinnie you are uninformed about the courts being public. Very uninformed
Welcome to the Matrix! 💯
She stated take the perps DNA and put it in a list of others in a POOLED list of similar DNA. Your perp WILL MATCH in that POOL! 💯
This shows how far ALL law enforcement will go to GET YOU! 💯
Have you, CourtTV, fired the cameraman that, AFTER the nudge made it clear, no zooming on BK. Cameraman, next hearing, z[ ING on Def, zooming on AT computer, zooming on aa crotch for possible zipper issue? Vinnie, who was the Cameraman and why was he so blatant? Did Courtv execs ask him to get cameras kicked out?
The FBI is Ludicrous & Ridiculous at Times. They Grilled Me Hard in the Robert Manwell Case Because I lived in Same Apartment Complex As Roberts Mom & Stepdad. They Had NO Reason for Talking To Me. I found out they Grilled My 2 Neighbors about Me and Even Twisted things Which one neighbor Said in a Bizarre Way They Returned Later and Grilled Me over Why I didn't Tell them I had a Car. I looked at the 2 FBI Guys and said You're the FBI Start acting like it. You have Access to police Records, DMV records etc., Etc. If you'd Done your Homework you'd Know I had a Car. These 2 were more like Keystone Cops & Bumbling Idiots than What Should Be FBI. I told them Get The Computer From Steodads Suburban and Extract the Data in it to Find Roberts body location information I showed I knew More About Vehicle Computer Data than they Did. Later it Was Proven the Stepdad had Killed Robert Manwell
This is a death penalty case, and needs to been seen, not just heard
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I mean, you're free to make a trip to the courthouse and watch the trial - hearing it and seeing it in full. I just hope everything goes according to the normal court proceedings, a rightful conviction and the victims' families find peace in their hearts. I have other hobbies to keep myself entertained than to demand a live stream of this trial to kill time.
I think he innocent
If it was it wouldn’t have been played out this long. Something bigger at play. He know more then he puts on. See ex professor
Would be nice if it was televised
I firmly believe that cameras should be allowed in the court room during the hearings and the trial. That way the public can ensure that BK will receive a fair trial and that there isn’t anything sketchy going on. That court room is way too small to accommodate everyone that would want to attend the trial if this trial doesn’t end up being televised imho.
Same in Delphi... that's a stitch up going on over there...Banana Republic stuff,as with Trump! Truth and Justice are long gone!
@@deecastle5053Perhaps if you read that comment again and slowly it may click what the point is 🙄🤦. Your response really has nothing to do with what that person said.
@@deecastle5053 I am not sure but I think they are meaning, that at least we can see, if the prosecution has any other aces up their sleeves they havent turned over to the defense, how they went about checking the DNA and if it was legal, or anything else. I know we cant personally do anything about it. But just meaning in general, that all guidelines have been met, and no laws, or rights were broken, during the process.
Lol guess BK isn't to worried about it so I don't see why the public would be! That court room is gonna be filled with the families of all the victims and BK. Probably reporters, few other lawyers, law enforcement, and other important ppl that are gonna trump the public and they are gonna be handing out numbers like the Depp case. Maybe cameras too we shall see but as to whether it's to make sure he has a fair trial or not should be the least of our worries and more of his when he's the one asking for it.. imho. That's not to say bring a recorder of some sort. Use a phone. Common sense will have to be played out if you can't visually see it owell. We will have to listen better than nothing.
So are you saying without cameras he would not get a fair trial ? Camera have hurt a defense case as many times it comes to light that Jurors look up the case and hear phony information and have watched nonsense such as body language.
Many witnesses have been harrassed because their testimony has been watched with cameras.
You’re right on, Vinnie. We should be able to see what’s going on in the courtroom.
I think all courtrooms should be recorded and available to the public.
Right
I agree 👍 💯
I think you should stop making celebrities of your murderers
lol ok sickos
@@mj.lwhy are YOU on THIS site? Are you a sicko ??🤔 Don’t be so quick to judge others by YOUR apparent proclivities.
I am retired, and watch or at least listen to, a fair amount of trials. Compared to the trash on TV, listening to “true” situations with real ppl, in real time, it’s a lot more interesting. I’ve always been interested in true crime, legal issues, investigations. I’ve been fascinated by how our legal system works and the thought processes used(or how they failed) during investigations. I’m a retired nurse, and a Veteran , have seen a lot during my career, yet I don’t generally listen to the autopsies or the otherwise gruesome details sometimes.
I do not consider myself sick for looking at, or listening to trials.
How about you? What’s your sickness?
Casey Anthony & OJ are guilty as f
Sure, just ask Nancy Grace, the disgusting loser public commenter who was wrong wrong wrong
Excellent point! It's not true that we largely trust juries; we "agree" to let that be the last word.
Nice to see someone that knows Zimmerman was railroaded. He never should have been charged in the first place.
@@bigelile07you can’t be serious
@@ApparationsOfGloom
I'm 100% serious. Anyone that followed the case from start to finish and saw every piece of evidence knows it was self-defense.
Vinnie, as an Idahoan, WE WANT this case , similar to the Vallow case, open!!!!! It doesn’t make sense to us either ☹️ This is the attorney(s) stopping it from being broadcasted. Drives us crazy!!!!
When have you seen a trial in Idaho televised on CourtTV?
I am a lifelong Idahoan, and we don't televise trials just to feed the out of town sharks for profit.
In 2020 we watch Kyle Rittenhouse case. After media wonted influence the verdict I'm ageist TV in Court !
This defense does not have a case.
@RobertP-kk5ou that's why they don't want it televised.
@@Leaveit_aloneyes especially now with the growing amount of MORMONS committing some pretty horrible crimes!
We are very skeptical of the media. We want to see ourselves
We Are sceptical of the media; bc they have lied and covered up so much! You're an idiot if you haven't figured that out from watching political coverage! They only have themselves to blame!
Agree...
As a witness testifying in a massive case, I was harrassed by the prosecution before the trial and years post trial because I declined to say what they wanted me to say on the stand.
same... it happens even in Australia
Australia is worse than the US. Government over there is overreaches it's authority unfortunately. These public servants smh@@AussieInsider
Wow that's insane! Define harassment? Like how? What did they do to you?
Now imagine that being the FBI! They have no shame. They'll ruin a person's life to get what they want
Not surprising at all.
The prosecution has the opportunity to cross examine their witness you don’t send the FBI to talk to them prior to the trial. Completely improper
Thank you Vinnie for advocating for us to go to our local courthouses! I had to do this as part of my college course as a legal assistant - it was VERY eye opening to sit in on the different types of court (family, criminal, civil).
I could not bring myself to sit in the criminal court, at the time it was the trial for the murder of Jennifer Teague. She is my age and just knew I couldn't handle sitting there at 19 years old.
That was a sad abduction case! She is the age of my son. It’s terrible. Learning about the justice system is so important. Good luck with your studies. ✌️😃
Actually he's advocating for cameras because Court tv makes money by having them in trials. His speech about the community was bs
@@kevculmstock1I believe that too. The media is very corrupt, and they like to make assumptions. The media does not know how to stay neutral, but at the end of the day it is the jurors fault if they are watching or reading news on the case.
@@kevculmstock1 Exactly
We that have followed this case want to watch the trial and see the evidence and see what happens and we have a right to know the process.
totally agree and we also have a right to see crimes scene photos and autopsy photos - those who don't want to see, can look away or walk out or choose not to watch at all -
We don’t really have a right to see the crime scene photos. Not sure what that’s based on.
FBI going to engines door is so wrong. Judge Judge wake up stop letting things go over your head.
How do you know he needs to wake up maybe he is paid off.
@@johndoe6030 damn I never thought of that. Makes bloody sense.
I don’t think Bryan K. committed these murders. He appears to be very passive and not aggressive. His female instructor wrote a letter to the administration that he was very kind and got along with other students. He’s the scapegoat IMO. I suspect it was drug related. Could Bethany and Dylan have been selling drugs in the home? Perhaps Maddie reported them to law enforcement and it was a revenge murder by the cartel? I read an article online that cartel are trafficking drugs there. . I’ve read many comments that the cops there do illegal things all the time. Could the cops have been paid to look away?
You know it’s gonna be a good segment when Vinnie dons the purple tie. 😂
Hahaha
🤣🤣🤣🤣exactly the purple tie only comes on when he means business
I love that color on him!
Love it 💜💜💜💜💜💜
Great point Vinnie, i am in South Africa and follow all your cases from here and Court Tv allow me that. Thank you for what you guys do.
Its the media that's driving the no camera ruling. Its not the people of Idaho nor any perspective jurors. Its the courtroom camera that focuses more on Bryan's pant zipper than the case itself.
Weird the cops did not video or audio record when they interviewed BryanKohberger. Isn't that common practice in the past 20+ years!
1.. how do you know it wasn’t recorded and just not shown to the public.? 2.. how do you know they even got to interview him.? He may have plead the 5th and therefore didn’t talk to investigators at all.
This is making me question if the guy is a real suspect or the scapegoat
In the gainesville murders they got the wrong person, until the fbi stepped in arrested danny rollins.
Seriously this how case is just getting odd
I guess. They sent the feds to question a defence scientist, weird, why do that
If they dont telivise this im gonna be so mad. This just isnt right & Create distrust in our court systems
Tons of courts don't allow cameras. It's been like that forever, but you don't know that of course. What creates distrust is folks like this guy ginning up folks like you for clicks and that all important advertising revenue stream. Stop parroting stuff just because some guy is yelling about it on TH-cam.
Oh no, you'll be mad?? The whole case is going to crumble now😢😢😢😢.
@@AndyCutright Well said
I agree with you Vinnie. These government processes are becoming more and more secretive and its unacceptable. We have states where elected officials are being arbitrarily removed without cause, courts trying to avoid transparency, media admitting they lie to their viewers etc. It's all so ridiculous and its going to get much worse before it gets better.
@deecastle5053 When the state chooses to try to put someone to death in the name of the people, I firmly believe all of the people have the right to bear witness. You aren't obligated to agree of course, I'm just telling you what I believe.
@deecastle5053 We vote for those who represent "The people" in court. It comes down to the community vs the defendant. If the entire community being represented isn't allowed to witness the proceedings, is it really a government for the people by the people? By extension the DA and the prosecutor, as the peoples representatives, ask for the DP as the ultimate condemnation of the defendant by the community/the people.
@@deecastle5053why not? I watch a live stream of judge Manning in Georgia all the time (im not in Georgia). She believes the public should witness hearings and trials. It's extremely informative. When you say "televised" you seem rediculous but every court house should have a public youtube/any platform they wish to use available at no cost to the public online for us to access
@deecastle5053 I'm advocating for the community (legal deginition) that clearly has an interest in this major case, but I'm sure you know that.
@@deecastle5053 If they ban cameras, then they are hindering transparency. A good judge should be able to control his courtroom and put in any necessary restrictions, warnings and fines for anyone who does not follow his/her rules.
Totally agree that courtrooms are for the people ..justice should not be a hidden act.
Nor should it be a part of TikTok videos though.🤷♀️
Tiktoks are personal social media videos. People are allowed to post whatever they want, even if it's not something you agree with. It doesn't matter.@@shazzasees
Idaho’s court system doesn’t’ want to expose all their corruption
Kinda like the low country in SC
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Thought it was BK that doesn't want cameras
Stupid.
Exactly.
Yes we the public should get to see everything.
“Justice must not only be done, but must also be seen to be done”. ~ Lord Hewart coined that 100 years ago. I think it is an important part of the judicial system because it legitimises the court and promotes a fair and proper trial .
It is but 100 years ago information and misinformation did not and could not spread in the way it does now. Trials should be public but fairness to a defendant is first and foremost over anything else otherwise we end up with a lot of injustice. There are times when offering every detail to the public runs an incredible risk of witness tampering and intimidation. This show is advocating this because his entire show depends on it. To claim that we should trust our juries as if they are not notorious for getting it wrong and breaking the rules of biase is laughable. There have been numerous studies done on the issues with juries to back that up.
Agreed...transparency also helps to hold people in power accountable...
@@BoringBoring-mw3phthey don’t even televise trials in 🇬🇧 so we see nothing! We just have to wait for the press pool to tell us what happened in court. You don’t even see the actual images of those in court, all they show us is a charcoal sketches that look nothing like the person they are supposed to depict🙄
At this point the American justice system is corrupt, they plant evidence, they intimidate experts. The media makes the jury dirty. This is why, so many are in prison and their innocent. It is a racist system and fill with poison. The American justice system has criminalized a third of the United States for stupid charges and all because of corruption. Making money for the jails, prisons and themselves. Looking to climb up the ladder , and it don't matter if you take and innocent human being down. As long as you climb the ladder. This is why America is fill with mental illness, jealousy, hatred, anger and criminals, greed. You can't walk at 2 am in America, unless you want to be murder ect... how fking disturbing is that. American cops have tunnel vision, even if the man is innocent... why is he fighting so much if his not innocent. Phone towers are not 100% accurate, it was proven in another trial
As long as there are actual ppl that attend the trial, that is all that is needed to witness a trial to ensure fairness. It’s never been that the whole world has to watch to ensure a fair trial. That’s a ridiculous argument IMO. I’d like to see the trials bc I’m fascinated with the entire process. But if a Judge doesn’t think the defendant can get a fair trial due to the high profile
Of a trial, I hate that, but that is the decision by the Judge at her discretion. I respect that.
I think there is more than meets the eye. I can't see how there were 2 or 3 other people in the house that heard nothing at all.
I bet oir impression about the Heard vs Depp trial would have been completely different if we had had to trust the stream media account of it. Instead we attended that trial from all over the world and we knew first hand who was lying. This trial should be open.
Right on! I was Team Johnny all the way.
So allegedly Vargas recanted her statement, so why is FBI showing up at her door on Thompsons behalf? Why didn’t he go through the proper channels , and have Ann Taylor bring Vargas to an Official Location to speak to Vargas and confirm she recanted, instead of going by hearsay? Seems questionable to me.
Very much so!
It was stated that the State discussed this information with their investigators and the result of that, then the FBI did the questioning. If an expert witness recants her statements, has an electronic footprint of her conversations to colleagues admitting she made mistakes, a thorough investigation should absolutely be done.
The whole case is strange ...
Poor kids on the cusp of a beautifully fantastic future,what a cruel and devastating death they had,the parents and family left behind to morn and fight for the justice of these young people must be taking its toll on the families,a tragedy that will never leave their thoughts or their lives till the day they die themselves,my prayers and thoughts are with them,I hope justice prevails and some peace is given to the families.❤❤❤❤❤🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
For the 1st time ever I'm not sure if he did it, there's too much being covered up and too much meddling from the 3letter agencies. What about the marine shot dead, he very fine looking for this case. Something for you guys to think about.
I’m so glad to see you were open to changing your mind once you saw enough meddling.
I don’t think Bryan K. is guilty either! I think he’s the scapegoat!! Even Kaylee’s dad won’t say he’s guilty.
the more i think about this i do not think he did it
I just don't know
So glad to see folks starting to see how things don’t add up!
Same here. He is just a patsy
It's a huge problem if you believe the jury won't follow the instructions.........
This case is emotional but so are many other cases and it should be televised....
We the people should be able to see what's going on...
Public unless you are in Idaho?
The FBI coming to your door is an act of intimidation for those of us who don't spend time in courts or talking to law enforcement.
You need to physically be in court.
Why are you surprised? How many trials in Oregon have you seen televised on CourtTV?
This isn't all those other trials. People want to see and this isn't the 1920's. Technology allows people to be in a courtroom without physically being there. He just listed 3 cases for exampls @@Leaveit_alone
The act of coming to your door may not be intimidating at all!
Fbi came to my door about someone I knew and wasn't at all intimidated as I tried to help
@@Susan-lf2hl I agree with you and I am glad they went to ask questions. People can't understand that things are not always nefarious.
I love ur way of presenting Vinnie.I fully agree,it should be public and fully transparent.
If BK is innocent, then allow cameras in the courtroom. People want to see and hear what the evidence is. Yes, everyone is entitled to a fair trial, but we, the people, want to know what the facts are.
BK's team is hiring experts left and right to keep the gag order and to get cameras kicked out of the courtroom. He does not want us to see what the facts are, which is odd since the sheath was "placed" by someone other than him lol and the DNA could have been "placed" by any number of law enforcement or lab personnel...dozens no hundreds of people with an eye to frame the unfortunate one without a morsel of an alibi because it's easy peasy to know when someone will have beyond zero alibi, so they knew it was time to put their plan into motion lol.
exactly!!! if i was innocent and falsely accused, i would DEMAND cameras in the courtroom! i would want everyone to see! this is BS, he's guilty
@palehoney79 you really believe it's that simple
Why would he have cameras when the world is focused his crotch and slandering him.
He thinks the camera 🎥 is pointed at his crotch 😅 if they were, we would talk about it here ? ( has anyone seen his crotch???? ) he’s a bit paranoid right ? ( lol ) now that he thinks it’s happening I’m going to mention it if I see his crotch…..
That quintillion number isn't mind blowing until they show how they arrived at it.
Video does NOT show Kohberger's vehicle. The car on the video is NOT the same year as Kohberger's car.
Bring Back Court Tv On Regular TV Station Please!!!!
OMG! Terrible reporting. You just twist the truth to make drama.
What exactly did they “twist”?
@@sabrina.natalie that the FBI showed up at the expert witness’s doorstep after her testimony. He blatantly lefts out the part where she admitted to others that she wasn’t truthful on the stand.
@@sabrina.natalie also, he makes it sound as if it’s not ok for prosecution to interview defense witnesses.
Did this woman just say that intimidating a witness to recant her testimony is perfectly alright. Damn, I hope Judge John doesn’t think that’s okay.
No, she said that the expert witness reneged on her testimony, supposedly after some electronic communication with others in her field. The prosecution were notified that she had retracted her expert opinion.
She said the prosecution would be negligent not to find out what exactly occured.
I'm not sure if this was the best way to go about it though, because of the optics of sending the FBI. That is, the defense are now alleging witness intimidation.
The communication of her reneging, and the timing of it should settle the order in which it occured.
@@sara_387 But this evidence of recanting is hidden right? Like all the traffic camera evidence. And cell phone.
@@LegendLength I believe the defense said she recanted, but no at this point the facts are not laid out or transparent to the public.
My point is that the timeline of events should clarify what occured. What came first? The FBI visit or her reneging?
But generally I was clarifying that the guest wasn't saying that the expert witness was intimidated and that was acceptable, as the original comment stated.
@@sara_387 My point is even if she did reneg, the state are being shonky about it all.
'Reneg' is pretty subjective. She could've just said she feels 'funny' about the testimony or anything. There's a reason they aren't showing us the information.
@@LegendLength The defense aren't being transparent on the topic either, so...
Nobody is talking about the girls played with a machette outside the house.
Haha when Vinnie said “Mind Boggling to me” made me immediately think of Darrell Brooks 😂😂😂 he must of watched you before his trial! 😂😂😂
Lmao! Subject matter jurisdiction”😂
Grounz?
I agree ALL trials should be open to a public camera! After all, we have to VOTE for judges and prosecutors!
All trials are open to the public.
Out of all those camera sightings of "his vehicle," there were no images of his tag?
There is nothing wrong with the accuracy of the tests so it is not an issue of reasonable doubt. The question is admissibility. This conversation is so pro-law enforcement that they aren't considering the rights of the defendant or the consumers whose data privacy was breached. The expert is saying that the search criteria can manipulated in a way that ends up allowing them to search a restricted database. The match is correct but they have done an illegal search c.a. found the gun in the suspects house but they only had a warrant for the car. It should be easy to show that the match did not require data from the restricted database so why is the prosecution fighting so hard against showing the defense what they did? They know it is likely that in this or some other high profile case LE did an illegal search.
Law enforcement brought this on themselves by breaking the rules and it is heartbreaking that a murderer might get off because of it. Instead of being grateful for familial geneology they have been greedy and misused it in a way that now that the truth is out some major convictions may be overturned.
I'm glad the media is starting to realise the holes in the prosecution and that the truth might not be what they wanted us to believe
If the car was seen going around the house during the time the murders occurred… was he driving or killing people?
😮🤦♀️ now come on we all know your smarter than this!!
The car was NOT seen driving during the murders only before and after. I’m not sure how you could of missed that important fact.. Oh wait I know, you want Kohberger to be innocent that’s how. 🤦♀️🙄
@@wotiluvnow seeing this segment im no longer 50/50
He is guilty 😮 you cannot explain away your driving and phone off.. and shealth left. Wowzers😢
@@Heseesyoustill circumstantial and not any nails in the coffin I think. I think he's guilty but sadly a part of me thinks his defense is doing too good of a job. We need cameras in the court room..
@@wotiluvof course he wasn't driving during the murders... in and out before and after is how the situation would logically occur. It happened in a matter of minutes also. They can never give a time of death to the exact minute so no one knows if the OP is factually correct or not here.
.. everything is sadly circumstantial that the public has been told so far. Hopefully during trial they have more evidence and it's allowed to be publicly streamed also.
In Canada, TV cameras are not allowed in the courts.
0:25: 🔍 The highest-profile true crime case in the nation involves the brutal murders of 4 University of Idaho students, with many details sealed and hidden from the public.
5:29: 🔍 The speaker discusses the importance of fair trials and expresses concern about cases being hidden from public view in Idaho.
10:33: 📺 The debate over allowing cameras in the courtroom in Idaho continues, with one side arguing for transparency and the other side concerned about juror bias.
15:30: 🔎 There was an argument in court between the defense and the prosecutor regarding the testimony of an expert witness on genealogy and the subsequent questioning by the FBI.
21:19: 🔍 The discussion is about the evolving laws regarding the use of geology charts as evidence in court.
28:58: 🔍 The discussion focuses on the potential issues and doubts surrounding the use of a private DNA database as evidence in court.
36:40: 🔍 The attorney representing the Gonzalez family in the Idaho student murders case discusses the delay in the trial and lack of information shared with the families.
38:15: 👥 The speaker is the main guide for the families affected by the case and helps them navigate through the legal process.
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Thanks. I wish I had seen this summary before I watched this long rehash of what we already know.
One of my favorite channels fair and honest reporting like the good old days before we had a corrupt government and news media
All these oddities in the "procedures" is shouting one thing to me, their case is flimsy AF and if they lose the evidence they lose the trial - playing. The case is no longer about who killed but rather is their alleged water tight evidence correctly obtained, handled and tested. Also, does anyone know if a tox screen was performed on the victims?
Humour me this, what might a warning look like if a crime-syndicate made an example of what happens when you encroach on their turf. So even if kohberger is guilty - was it drug related?
That’s exactly what the FBI did and also the Prosecutor. Both should be taken off the case.
Notice how it states from 3:29 a.m. till 4:20 a.m. it passes by the house several times. It never once has placed him inside that home. Get real they have the wrong person ! Killers are still out there. Lock your doors or you might be next! Scarey world we are living in.
That's 50 minutes. Driving several times around a neighborhood can be done very quickly. A lot could be done in that long time frame. Turning the phone off during that block indicates something to hide.
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The next time you're driving like that in a residential neighborhood off of the main strip in the dead of night repeatedly with no reason to be there and no one you were going to meet up with and your touch DNA shows up on a sheath under a stabbing victim, sorry to say, I'm going to think you have some splaining to do. And your weak non alibi isn't enough of a splanation. No locations, no witnesses to place you elsewhere, no times, no video of your car vs SV1 at ANY point on the 12th or 13th even with the plethora of videos from that night, no apps to place you elsewhere, no phone turned on, no CAST report jogging your memory of where you were. Nothing freeing this innocent man and not even his lousy lawyer to ask for a dismissal of all charges due to zero evidence. It is a scary world we're living in, partially due to Kohberger, as he is the right person to be charged with this horrific quadruple murder.
@@lizsalloomlikely a drug pickup…or his phone died…He didn’t kill them
@@deannacousin2339his DNA is on the weapon sheath bruh
This is a good question: Under what circumstances is a camera shut-out permissible in a curt room? The implied concern is that camera access will corrupt the JURY (not the home viewer), which makes the final decision. However the justification seems to rely on the possibility of a corrupted home audience - a concept completely detached from the actual legal processes of the court
Trials are only required to be open to the public. That does not mean that courts are required to have cameras in the courtroom. Two totally different things.
@@daCubanaqtyep and if media outlets continue to pan over jury members or papers on certain tables( after being warned by judge ) then they ruin it for everyone.
@@daCubanaqt. Not really
@@daCubanaqt*subtly different things
You just said a whole lot of nothing. Jury biases is a real problem. That's not my opinion. It's a fact proven by many studies and jury questionnaires done over the years. Couple that with a high profile case and previous accounts of jurors lying to get on high profile cases and there's obviously a lot of room for concern. To behave as if this is not an issue and to go as far as to ramble on about home audiences being corrupt as if that even makes sense is ridiculous. The home audience is made up of all kinds of people, good and bad BTW. Juries have many many issues and the conviction rate is extremely high REGARDLESS of the amount of evidence in a given case and that's because there's biased before even walking through the door. It's a real problem. To behave as if it isn't is insane.
Always enjoy Vinnie - great commentators on this episode and I LOVE Dave's commentary :"battle of procedural this and thats" - should be a law textbook title...and Jeanne is always easy to understand and listen to, so yay. Hope they allow cameras and fix the sound.
Something stinks in Idaho.
Vinnie, you’re the Best! Thank you for such in-depth reporting!!
They keep so many secrets, everything is so sketchy. I start to doubt if BK is really even right person. I find all this so very troubling. And weird.
I have few questions;
-How could ONE person kill 4 people in two different floors. Just in a minutes?
-How is it possible that there is NOTHING on him, or in his car etc, Thats also weird because crime scene must have been brutal if blood is dripping outside of the house. No blood dripplets? No bloody shoeprints?
-Only thing left behind is a sheath with a tiny spec of a DNA of his, if he can pull this mastermind crime and lleave no trace or get anything on him, i doubt he would leave sheath there. And if he is this mastermind they make him to be, i think he would have been smarter than driving around that place before and after he kill 4 young ppl.
- I still found it super weird that the surviving roommates did not hear nothing alarming to call 911 asap, but many many hours after. I cant wrap my head around this at all!
I dont know man. They should let us see everything at this point
Also there is few other questionmarks, how they suddenly had arrest made just like 24hours after they said there is 22k similar cars in the county and they need public help. And BK car model year wasnt the one they specificly was looking for at first..? Did they send public falsly for ahunt for a killer all that time when they actually had one suspect already? Wouldnt that be very wrong , to cast a shadows over every white Hyunday owner?
I agree BK is just a pattsie this case is all types of wrong
What do you make of him NOT saying, "I was not driving SV1," as you the prosecution claim that I am and the PCA is heavy with that notion that it's me driving said car? This was the car that was parked by 1122 for around 13 minutes because if it wasn't it would have been spotted by a camera in seconds. What do you make of an alibi that HE CHOSE to come out with that has nothing that can be verified and is barren of any useful information and yet they are saying we won't tell you more and don't want to even have a further extension on that even though the whole detail thing is how alibis work on this planet?
How long specifically is an appropriate amount of time to kill 4 people that were drowsy from the entire day or asleep and unarmed and unaware, most of which were of a smaller stature than yourself? What other of Kohberger's DNA was found at the crime scene or autopsies?
If a sheath were to drop in a struggle of a few seconds or if that were part of his calling card, would that be beyond the scope of belief of what can happen with humans? What have we learned from what source about there being "no blood dripplets and no bloody shoeprints?" Your source, whoever that is, is lying to you if they are saying they know this unless it is from officials who investigated the scene and if they are, they seem not reputable if they are telling you highly confidential information about important evidence in a case with a gag order that Kohberger himself loves.
What kind of sounds were being made by drowsy from the day or asleep victims possibly waking up to being stabbed and slashed who knows where on their bodies? Steve G told us Kaylee's lungs were basically obliterated so if that was her first injury, she was not going to be howling with distress. How many screams were there in total of all of the victims? How many yells? What did the victims say in totality? They surely didn't have time to call for help, so it wasn't like it was taking too much time to find a spot to stab or sash them to kill them. I have the privilege of never being stabbed to death, so I can't tell you how loud one should be when being brutally slain.
I'm not entirely sure why we should be privileged to see and know everything before the trial...as Kohberger's team even hired a few experts just to keep the gag order in place and cameras out of the courtroom. You can't put that part on the state. He's desperate for a gag order to the highest degree and even no cameras at the trial. If I was an innocent person, I'd want nothing but cameras at my trial to show the world clearly how I'm being wronged even if I'm a shy person and they have to film me in curlers and a bathrobe with all of my facial expressions. I wouldn't want cameras there if I was embarrassed about what my defense was about to present.
@@rowingnow_RAs_Second_Timeline to be transparent. End the speculations. End all the ifs and nots and what abouts. These are simply questions i have. If they were more transparent with us, there would be very little to questions and wonders.
And since we are not exåerts, or professionals in this case, it is only left in our imagination to imagine what has happened inside and outside.
@@cammos I'm starting to feel that way also. None of this evidence has the ability to be seen..The DNA & Genealogy reports could easily be tampered with. Where is any evidence showing he did it? No blood, no DNA on him or in his vehicle. Vehicles are impossible to clean fully especially after 4 people were brutally murdered.
Unfortunately many people are currently basing their decisions on emotions though. It’s why we need 12 different people, not 6, to go over the evidence entirely instead of going by liking someone or not.
Sadly, most make decisions based on emotion. For those that don't there are social pressures that get them to conform. You're lucky if 15% of people have the spine and intelligence to do whats right.
@@jamesmcdougal2 you’re absolutely correct & it’s truly sad how so many don’t do the right thing.
I agree with you, Vinnie.Bring on the camera's 📷 👍🏽
5.3 octillion doesnt exist. Really this case os so exaggeratted.
To solve this problem, incorporate some kind of reasonable AND surmountable restrictions to the camera footage....that a typical person can surpass with a modest amount of effort
What I think is weird is that INAN HARSH said there was a BMW SUV parked in the drive way , which he said was ARIZONA OR MONTANA PLAYES BUT TURNED OUT TO BE COLORADO which is where the landlord was living . But nothing else has been investigated or heard more about that.
Interesting, I hadn’t heard about this yet.
Do these guests do any research before going on these shows? The Defense's witness DID NOT recant her testimony. None of it. These guests are always so disappointing.
Cant we just listen to Vinnie do his show alone?
This is wild. The whole thing needs to be thrown out at this point
WHAT THE HELL AND OH HELL NO. Don't be supporting a killer Tori
I just wanna know how is Le gonna say there is no threat to the public before they ever even had a suspect? Why would you say that?
Oh so true. Just look at the Johnny Depp trial. Had we not seen it for ourself we would have thought Amber heard was right. But after seeing the evidence ourselves we decided totally different.
Nobody's life was on the line in the Depp/Heard trial. In this case BK has been deemed guilty by media & public alike already. He'll never get a fair trial.
Totally agree!
MSM can't be trusted, we should all get to watch and make our own minds up
No one with any sense and decency believed Amber Turd.
JOHNNY DEPP WON AMERICA NOT THE CASE..EVERYTIME I SEE HIM ON TV I THINK OF HIM YELLING, SLAMMIMG CABINETS AND CHUGGING WINE..NOTHING GOOD
Thats the problem though. We the citizens are not the jury which is why cams are unfair cuz the media and the people influence the jury s decision
Lol at "that woman"... I am in Barbados and my mom is very interested in this case as am I. You guys show the world, Vinnie. I have been watching you guys since the days of Laci Peterson. Keep up the good work.
Vinnie NEVER says "that woman's" name
Been watching since oj
@@KR15INGI didn’t know that - I thought maybe he forgot her name. That’s funny. Thanks for the info
Of course they tampered with witnesses. They had no right to go to their witness outside of the court house No doubt they had something to do with her changing her testimony
Does anyone else feel like the defense has been ruffling a lot of feathers? Trying to take control of everything. Transparency is a good thing! Cameras are a good thing! But Bryan thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room… have no doubt about it. The state has their man. I’m sure they’ve worked hard on making sure they have a case to prove it.
You have him convicted already? I seriously hope you never serve on a jury.
NO!! BK is being SET UP!! The Prosecution and the Moscow PD are CORRUPT AF!! Wake up! He didn’t do it!
🙄 keep following them off the cliff. That’s where prosecution is headed.
I agree!
You know nothing! As we! It’s all your believe. It’s all in your head, because you follow this narrative. It’s the easy way.
I’m a nurse(I touch a lot of things that belong to other people), I’m also a loner. After a hard shift that can end at a weird times, I drive around. I’m not tethered to my phone as I’m expecting anyone to call so if the battery goes dead or is almost dead I turn it off. I’d need more than touch DNA to put him in the house. Why did it take so long for the eye witness to call 911? Why didn’t he kill everyone in the home if he knew there were more rooms and had been in the home before?
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Whoever did probably tried the other doors but they were locked. The window of time was slim. The eye witness will be vital, I think he saw her and didn't have time to bash down doors. He got out of there. I think more were involved.
Theres two sides of the coin here. There is publicizing to protect the actual integrity & publicizing in a way that allows people on the internet to form an internet jury, which poisons every aspect of a fair trial. Thats the scary part of what we call a justice system in our country.
in a public court room you are not allowed to face and stare at the defendent , you look at them from behind, only the jury can watch their each and every move. I want the camera in the court room to listen to both sides and make my own opinion , but if im a defendant in a legal system that should protect my innocence until proven guilty, i dont see alot of honor from the camera crew/court TV
I agree with Vinnie, we need transparency and we the people deserve to know. Not from the media but with our own eyes and ears. When it comes to DNA manipulation, there was a case on 48 hours where this process was used to compare familial DNA and they pinned it on the wrong guy. The mother of the victim and the accused got together to find justice, so that was an amazing story. More amazing is the fact that DNA was wrong. The authorities were able to manipulate these results, where we all know DNA doesn’t lie. I would be really careful using this method, because it could put innocent people behind bars.
Steve Gonsalves is a real man.What a huge loss of such a happy and wonderful child
Yes and his only child makes it so tough. May God bless them all
It makes my stomach sick. I can’t imagine and pray I never have to endure that hell. Your child finishes college and then they are ripped out of life. :( I wish brian wasn’t putting these families through this. It’s all a sick twisted challenge for him.
I am with you Justice for Kaylee, Ethan, Xana and Maddie
@MortgageGirl7
Bryan isn't putting anyone through this. The State Prosecution is doing this. His arrest in PA was illegal. Praying that the whole truth comes out 🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@dawnsidwell6609his arrest was illegal? Please explain what made his arrest illegal.
Daybell & Kohberger & Murdaugh, OH MY!!! Gonna be one hell of a winter, y’all!!!
As a side note…my husband is gonna miss me for the rest of this year.
Amen! Help us.
@@thekaraokejen😂
And Delphi !
@@wotiluvnobody is even talking about that case anymore, maybe nothing is happening.
Court tv is by far a great learning experience. Specifically this video from 0:00 to 3:00 . Court tv great job.
Funny how Vinnie menthioned 3 cases that justice failled the victims and was not served.
If you followed the Zimmerman case he was railroaded. Self-defense all day long.
@@bigelile07 awful judge too in that case
@@bigelile07 casey Anthony's father was a cop !
@@weldonparmley8147
I didn't even bring up Casey, but George Anthony was in LE from '75-'85.... What's your point?
If a defense lawyer at some point thinks their client is guilty of the crime, are they allowed to quit?
No
A defense lawyer never think: „Is my client guilty or not?“
@@Trendyviews. Oh wow....... That's got to be so tough. Like after seeing all the evidence, connecting all the dots, feeling how heartless the client is acting, all of your common sense and human instincts telling you this person is the one that killed his children and not the other person being accused... it must be so hard to try so hard to get him/her a not guilty verdict 😬
A defense lawyer always assumes innocence for their client and puts their personal feelings aside to represent the client fairly. It’s their job. It is not their job to be a judge based on their own opinion.
There is no way one KNIFE and one PERSON killed four people. On 2 different floors.
Court TV provides a great public service.
He's INNOCENT and people are afraid of seeing it. LE has made a mistake and are too bloated to admit it.
Lol
Another lol
It's even worse in this case. It seems they've gone out of their way to frame him with touch DNA.
I’m 74, over the years, I have watched many of our constitutional rights eroded, imo.
AT must know something we don’t know or else she wouldn’t be fighting so hard to get the case dismissed
I think this is just the first “punch” in her TKO of prosecution
I agree! Ann’s going to rip this case apart. I don’t believe Bryan committed these murders!! He was so close to getting his doctorate! I also think law enforcement has lied about many things.
So grateful for Vinnie and everyone at Court TV! 💖🐾👏
The public being shut out for is for one reason and one reason only corruption.
everything tells us he is 100% innocent😒
Excellent report....thank you.
Yeah, that's a shame. It isn't the judges or the suspects courtroom but do they act like it. Idaho government sees themselves as overlords and master instead of public servants.
Actually the 6th amendment states a defendant has a right to a public trial. It does not specify that every member of the public has a right to see it. Media and networks like CourtTV want to cover notorious trials to make MONEY. They offer opinion to titillate the public, instead of just presenting the facts. Now, in the Murdaugh case there is an accusation of jury tampering by the Clerk of Court, who admitted in interviews she was considering a book before the trial ever started. Too much coverage can tempt people to do the wrong thing for the wrong reasons. Any case televised should have a sequestered jury.
Why was Ted Bundy’s trial left out of this as that was truly the biggest!
Come on dude.
Because he was using very public and popular trials that the defendants were found not guilty as the examples. The defense is trying to say the cameras will sway the jury to find him guilty.
West Memphis3 was biggest! Also those young men were framed like this one!
if you ask Merrick Garland the courts belong to the Democrat party
This is a great presentation. I really loved your highlight that courtrooms are open to the public. In regards to the DNA, does it matter that they linked the unknown sample by way of geneology, when after getting the suspect DNA it matches sample on the sheath
I'm sure if the Cameramen in the courtroom would have just followed Judge Judge's rules, this never would have happened. But as it stands, I see dozens of courtroom close ups every time you cut to his trail. You have a right to see the trail if you abide by the rules of the courtroom. But Court TV, just like any average citizen, can be banned for rules violations. Seems like something the network should have already did something about before this happened. But now y'all have taken away the right of the public to view this by being bad faith actors and not follow the specific court rules.
Also you are covering Murdaugh as well, so don't say: "Press doesn't have any effect on this." It absolutely does when the court clerk is handing out press members cards for juror interviews, huh?
Nobody’s on a trail
your cameras are the reason the public will not see this trial. When a Judge says "do not stay focused on the Defendant Then thats all you do. Thats why we the people won't see this trial Court TV Thanks. BFI
And the prosecutor knew she was talking to her colleagues about her testimony how?
I believe one of the people she had contacted said something.
To look at that and know there use to be so much laughter & fun! 4 of the most beautiful of people on our earth. God bless & i pray for all.
I sure hope they have the right guy....it would be very sad to take a mans life that's innocent....strange days we live in....Nothing New under the sun same ol same o
So after you see the timeline and cameras of his car that night.. you still think he is innocent?
@@Heseesyouyes I do. I believe he is innocent
@@jeannehammond851and I have some ocean front property in Arizona forsale 😂🤣
@@Heseesyou what I don't see is a camera with his car sittin at the apartment that night...there are cameras all around his apartment plex and no video of him pulling out pulling in ect
@@jeannehammond851Here's what happened with Kohberger and the Idaho 4.
Kohberger was denied twice to do an internship by the local law enforcement. He needed to have experience as a law enforcement officer in order to enter the PhD program at WSU. So Kohberger snapped because he was rejected, and that would ultimately affect his career long term. So he plotted to embarrass local law enforcement by committing a heinous act. He knew local law enforcement couldn't handle a case like this, so that's why he targeted for 4 innocent people in Moscow. He was tired of rejection. Not only rejection from women, but rejection from employment. He really couldn't keep a job, as there are numerous reports showing that he constantly bumped heads with people, and had poor behavior in the workplace. He knew this crime would be a big deal in such a small town. He wanted to put a microscope on local law enforcement, and their incompetence. He would've gotten away with the crimes if he wouldn't have left the knife sheath behind. He's 100% guilty in my opinion. All of what he's doing with his public defender is just delaying the inevitable.
I could be entirely wrong about everything i said, but out of all the information I've seen, this makes the most sense.
I just pray for closure for these families having to experience such a major tragic loss of life of 4 innocent victims..
When the state wants to keep everything secret, I tend to believe that the prosecution and the law enforcement are dirty and they don't want the people to know about it.
It's the defense that doesn't want the cameras in there, because they are too focused on the defendant.
@Brightie67 It's both. In the beginning it was the prosecution not wanting media coverage. The defense really didnt care in the beginning. The zooming in on the defense and photo shopped pictures is what has made the defense agree with the prosecution on not allowing cameras.
Throwing everything against the wall and see what sticks. Not a good defense.